Well, as an old timer I have tried most all of it but all things considered, Venetian is the best all around shoe cream at an affordable price and made right in my old home town of Chicago.....! Can't beat it and when one of the best tanneries in the world (Horween in Chicago) is telling you that, you better listen.....! They treat some of the finest leather that is made, Shell Cordovan with it...! Enough said...GG...IN
I know that neither Skip nor myself are trying to make any sort of political statement or anything like that with the masks. We just require mask wearing (as does our local law) in our businesses.
Seems like a great product but on the more worn or dirtier boots wouldn't it be more beneficial to saddle soap or clean first. Seems the cream would be able to penetrate the leather better. Just curios. Thank you.
Hey, Mike. I think that you are 100% correct. The venetian cream does have some more mild cleaning properties -- which I wanted to demonstrate. I would suggest to anyone using soap + conditioner (or just saddle soap) before applying a polish like the venetian cream.
Is VSC not meant for use in roughout? I just got a pair of roughout boots made of Natural Chromexcel and I’m not sure how to go about conditioning them when the time comes.
Has anyone ever use Reno mat on their shell cordovan any lost all the shine on it and exposing the pores? Will this cream be able to restore some of the shine?
@@georgecarlin2879 thank you, the color is still fine, I only used it lightly, was trying to removed a wax polish, but it also removed the factory finishing 😢
@@kfung4 I have used the renomat a few times. It is a pretty intense product and removes all of the finish. I can't fully suggest it because I think it is a little risky. I actually have a few cases of renomat here that I purchased with the intent to resell them...I just don't have enough knowledge on the product to suggest it yet.
@@AshlandLeather thank you, may be I will use it one more time to remove all waxes, and only use cream polish and conditioner to get some of the shine back. I have been searching on UA-cam and I just couldn’t find anyone using Reno mat on shell, may be I was too silly to use wax on shell in the first place
@@AshlandLeather Which is preferable on the Horween Cavalier in black if the aim is to develop a nice aged patina and character over several years? VSC or a neutral Saphir product? If you recommend Saphir, then which one? Your opinion would be greatly valued, like my boots. lol
I don't have any personal experience with that specific leather. Taking a look at them I think you can expect the VSC to temporarily darken the leather VERY slightly. I think the VSC would be a good option for Red Wing's oil tanned leather
I got my info about VSC through watching Horween leather company and they say it’s great for Chromexcel and Dublin that’s why I bought it. Now I’m afraid to use it on my Chromexcel boots.
Waxes aren't "bad" for chromexcel. It's a personal preference. The wax in VSC will create a little bit of a shine, which can be desirable to some and not to others. I think the most common mistake is that it's very easy to over-condition your leather and leads to a very plastic looking finish that is hard to remove without some real elbow grease.
@@steakmann yes I agree the waxes do provide the shine n protection. I'm not sure if you are familiar with kirby Alison's n stridewise channels, but their preference is Saphir greasy oil conditioner for chromexcel leather, since no waxes are present. Per Kirby Alison, he states waxes effect the texture of chromexcel. I have both conditioners, both work great.
@@steakmann I’m also a fan of Bick 4 as well. Definitely will not darken the leather which is important. I do like Venetian Shoe Cream when i want more of a shine from my polishing efforts.
Definately Saphir. American leather/shoe company will tend to recommend American shoe cream. Saphir definately is higher quality and produces a better finish after using.
We use Saphir cordovan cream on all of our shell cordovan wallets. I like it a great deal. The Venetian cream is more of a subtle luster and has slightly less fill.
Personally I wouldn't use it on waxed flesh unless you want to fill in and smooth out the texture of the waxed flesh. I like how waxed flesh opens up and looks a bit more rugger. The VSC will smooth down those fibers and make it more shiny. It will work but it may not be the effect you desire
@@AshlandLeather I do not know what is the correct name of the shoe leather. Chukka Desert Boot, Bushacre beeswax boots are made of this type of leather. It's not suede or nubuck. Maybe you understand what kind of skin I'm talking about.
I used this Venetian cream a couple days ago on my new Horween Dublin black Dr Martens boots and this product left the leather with lots of white marks or stain. I applied only one thin layer with my finger. And I did shake the bottle a lot before applying. They looked horrible to me. What went wrong in your opinion?🤔
It sounds like you used the Venetian Shoe Cream properly. Perhaps you can send Phil Kalas of Ashland Leather a message to get his thoughts on what could have gone wrong and how to fix it. Phil is real familiar with Horween Black Dublin leather. It’s his favorite black leather. If anyone would know it would be Phil.
I don't know, but watching this man work on the leather with that machine gave me some trust in his review
Well, as an old timer I have tried most all of it but all things considered, Venetian is the best all around shoe cream at an affordable price and made right in my old home town of Chicago.....! Can't beat it and when one of the best tanneries in the world (Horween in Chicago) is telling you that, you better listen.....! They treat some of the finest leather that is made, Shell Cordovan with it...! Enough said...GG...IN
Nice to see you taking care of those boots‼️😉
What is the difference between Venetian Shoe Cream and Venetian Leather Balm?
A business leader respecting science what a rare sight more of a reason you guys have me as a customer
I know that neither Skip nor myself are trying to make any sort of political statement or anything like that with the masks. We just require mask wearing (as does our local law) in our businesses.
This comment did not age well.
He is the expert! Can you imagine anyone with higher credentials in the leather industry?
Seems like a great product but on the more worn or dirtier boots wouldn't it be more beneficial to saddle soap or clean first. Seems the cream would be able to penetrate the leather better. Just curios. Thank you.
Hey, Mike. I think that you are 100% correct. The venetian cream does have some more mild cleaning properties -- which I wanted to demonstrate. I would suggest to anyone using soap + conditioner (or just saddle soap) before applying a polish like the venetian cream.
how does it differ to leather balm, neatsfoot oil, boot oil, leather oil, saphir renovateur, and bick 4?
Heck that is one magical liquid. Need to try it, only been trying Saphir so far!
You can get good results with both products! I find the Venetian Shoe Cream to be a little more versatile to use on non-shell leathers
Thanks for the video. What boots are displayed in it? They look very cool
Thanks! The boots are brown CXL 1000 Mile Boots from Wolverine and some natural shell cordovan Derby boot from Viberg
What brand and model of boots are the first pair of boots you cleaned?
So when you say "polish", are you refrencing shoe polish, or just using this cream as the polish?
Venetian Shoe Cream is the polish
@@AshlandLeather awesome! Thank you!
Is VSC not meant for use in roughout? I just got a pair of roughout boots made of Natural Chromexcel and I’m not sure how to go about conditioning them when the time comes.
You can condition roughout leather, but you'll temporarily lose the nap that's characteristic of roughout.
There is probably a lot of lonely women who wish they had that Machine at home 🤦🏼♂️
😂😂😂
oh my!
Quite a few dudes as well I'd imagine.
@@matttherrien9608 🤦♂️
Do you use the same brush at the beginning to knock the dust off and then later to buff off the product?
Usually I get lazy and use the same brush. The best way to do it is to have a dry brush and a "wet" brush
Does VSC actaully condition leather though? Or is it best to use as strictly a polish?
It does have a conditioning and cleaning capability in addition to an increase in luster
Has anyone ever use Reno mat on their shell cordovan any lost all the shine on it and exposing the pores? Will this cream be able to restore some of the shine?
If U use Renomat, then U need to re-color or re pigment using a shoe dye or shoe cream, then wax it .
@@georgecarlin2879 thank you, the color is still fine, I only used it lightly, was trying to removed a wax polish, but it also removed the factory finishing 😢
@@kfung4 I have used the renomat a few times. It is a pretty intense product and removes all of the finish. I can't fully suggest it because I think it is a little risky. I actually have a few cases of renomat here that I purchased with the intent to resell them...I just don't have enough knowledge on the product to suggest it yet.
@@AshlandLeather thank you, may be I will use it one more time to remove all waxes, and only use cream polish and conditioner to get some of the shine back.
I have been searching on UA-cam and I just couldn’t find anyone using Reno mat on shell, may be I was too silly to use wax on shell in the first place
@@AshlandLeather Which is preferable on the Horween Cavalier in black if the aim is to develop a nice aged patina and character over several years? VSC or a neutral Saphir product? If you recommend Saphir, then which one? Your opinion would be greatly valued, like my boots. lol
Will this darken my Red Wing Heritage Rover’s in Copper Rough and Tough?
I don't have any personal experience with that specific leather. Taking a look at them I think you can expect the VSC to temporarily darken the leather VERY slightly. I think the VSC would be a good option for Red Wing's oil tanned leather
@@AshlandLeather That’s great news! I’ll order some and let you know how it goes 👍🏼
@@jamesestrada82 so did it work?
@@theHerathrig Worked!
@@jamesestrada82 no way, It didn't change your Copper rough's color?
Not mistaken VSC, has waxes, which isn't good for chromexcel oiled leather, atleast what I've read. Is this true?
I got my info about VSC through watching Horween leather company and they say it’s great for Chromexcel and Dublin that’s why I bought it. Now I’m afraid to use it on my Chromexcel boots.
Waxes aren't "bad" for chromexcel. It's a personal preference. The wax in VSC will create a little bit of a shine, which can be desirable to some and not to others. I think the most common mistake is that it's very easy to over-condition your leather and leads to a very plastic looking finish that is hard to remove without some real elbow grease.
@@steakmann yes I agree the waxes do provide the shine n protection. I'm not sure if you are familiar with kirby Alison's n stridewise channels, but their preference is Saphir greasy oil conditioner for chromexcel leather, since no waxes are present. Per Kirby Alison, he states waxes effect the texture of chromexcel. I have both conditioners, both work great.
@@ondaslab I'm familiar with both, I personally prefer Bick4 for basically all my leathers. Doesn't change the color none and does its job great.
@@steakmann I’m also a fan of Bick 4 as well. Definitely will not darken the leather which is important. I do like Venetian Shoe Cream when i want more of a shine from my polishing efforts.
Would you use this or Saphir Cordovan cream for shell cordovan?
Definately Saphir. American leather/shoe company will tend to recommend American shoe cream. Saphir definately is higher quality and produces a better finish after using.
@@plusgood15 what you said make want to buy saphir. i already have venetian.
We use Saphir cordovan cream on all of our shell cordovan wallets. I like it a great deal. The Venetian cream is more of a subtle luster and has slightly less fill.
If you can't find Saphir near you, this is still okay to use.
@@Kudusole they have a website and they hVe free shipping, hope I’m not to late for you & hope this helps.
Is this recommended for waxed flesh leathers?
Personally I wouldn't use it on waxed flesh unless you want to fill in and smooth out the texture of the waxed flesh. I like how waxed flesh opens up and looks a bit more rugger. The VSC will smooth down those fibers and make it more shiny. It will work but it may not be the effect you desire
@@AshlandLeather what do you recommend for flesh leather?
@@andriidorohov2044 Like a suede? Are you looking to make a suede more flat? Or just condition?
@@AshlandLeather I do not know what is the correct name of the shoe leather. Chukka Desert Boot, Bushacre beeswax boots are made of this type of leather. It's not suede or nubuck. Maybe you understand what kind of skin I'm talking about.
Wish they stop using those long tall bottles that easily tipped over, use something fat and short would had been better.
I used this Venetian cream a couple days ago on my new Horween Dublin black Dr Martens boots and this product left the leather with lots of white marks or stain. I applied only one thin layer with my finger. And I did shake the bottle a lot before applying. They looked horrible to me. What went wrong in your opinion?🤔
Did you buff out the excess with a cloth or horsehair brush?
I've not had that happen to me. Was the leather or the cream cold? A congealing of wax is possible if it was cold. Are the spots still there?
@@jeffersonnegus860 of course
@@seth_5394 nope room temp. I tried to remove it and yes spots still. Not much though.
It sounds like you used the Venetian Shoe Cream properly. Perhaps you can send Phil Kalas of Ashland Leather a message to get his thoughts on what could have gone wrong and how to fix it. Phil is real familiar with Horween Black Dublin leather. It’s his favorite black leather. If anyone would know it would be Phil.
What is the difference between Venetian Shoe Cream and Venetian Leather Balm?
I haven't used the leather balm but it is my understanding that the balm has more waxes.