I don't recommend Saphir Renovateur for your shoes, if you are a beginner like me!!
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Hello guys, today I talked about Saphir Renovateur. This is often called Liquid gold and people love this product. But personally I think there are many other better products to use.
Let me know what you think!
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You seem to be confused about what Rénovateur is for. It's a leather conditioner, not a polish. It's to rehydrate and condition clean, dry leather BEFORE you polish. Rub a small amount into freshly cleaned and dry shoes just like you would apply moisturizer to yout own skin. Let it dry, and then brush your shoes. It should soak right into the leather and not leave any residue on the surface. THEN polish your shoes. It's really easy stuff to use. It's just a conditioner. It needs to be able to absorb into the leather though. Don't put it on top of a thick layer of old wax. Strip the old polish off, clean your shoes, condition the leather, and then give them a fresh polish. It couldn't be easier. 🤷♂️
good point, Nw I realise Ive been using it wrong
You are absolutely right !
Less is more. Thanks for the tip man.👍
I strip the old polish off with horsehair brush first?
@@vin7281 horse hair brush will remove dirt NOT polish. To remove polish need to carefully use rubbing alcohol or acetone.
So firstly, watching the right videos from the people who know what they’re talking about when it comes to shoe care is a must. From everything I have gathered Renovateur is not something that is supposed to be used often. Typically, you would use Renovateur on a pair of shoes that you just purchased that are coming off the shelf where they have most likely been sitting for long periods which drys out the leather over time. Yes, when you apply Renovateur to a new shoe where the leather has been drying out it is going to change the color of the shoe because you are reapplying moisture to the leather through conditioning it. After the first use you really should only need to use a creme or a combo of a creme and polish. If you don’t take care of your shoes or just let them sit for long periods of time you may only need to use Renovateur like once MAYBE twice a year. This also solves your problem of going through it so quickly.
Thank you so much for your knowledge. I have decided to do what you have said actually!
renovateur has mink oil. mink oil darkens leather. I DO NOT rec renovateur on light color shoes. big mistake.
@@ml9557 I use Rénovateur on my light shoes with no meaningful change in color at all. You don't need to slather it on. A little bit goes a long way.
That's exactly true, beginners should listen to professionals. Renovateur is a conditioner, and as a conditioner, like pure mink oil or any other brand's conditioner, it is not a polish, and it is not to be used regularly. Easy to search on google what and when to use a conditioner.
I don't want to be rude but most of the information in this video is flat out wrong. I've yet to see anyone use even Renovateur to cause any white residue. That's because while it does have waxes it doesn't contain much. Using this product would make a light shine. Beginner or not this isn't rocket science. Just put it on the shoe and buff...
Thanks for the comment! I disagree because beginners have no clue how much to put or how long they have to buff for. If someone knows how to do that, are they truly a beginner? Yeah, it's not a rocket science, but it's not a natural thing to know either, especially if someone has never seen a shoe cream before.
@@Kudusole come on, you have instruction on the jar. Adequate people wouldn't apply half of the jar on a pair. Even in combination with cream, which I don't find very practical, as cream is not far away from this product in action, you won't have any problem if you follow instructions and common sense.
I like shoe waxes and apply them all over the shoes, no problem. Wax is supposed to be used on leather. Yes, you shouldn't wait like a week before buffing off, 5 min will be sufficient. Use harder brush and everything will be ok.
I totally agree with you 👍
I put too much first time and it left residue because i didnt remove it from the creases properly
I also am one who got white residue from the waxes in Renevateur. (Been polishing/conditioning leather for 15 years)I was under the impression it was a nutrient and used it like such. Was not initially aware it had waxes in it. Through trial and error I have found I needed to buff w/i 3-5 minutes to prevent the residue. Then it works great. So to say no one has gotten white residue is wrong. I have 2 black leather jackets I need to clean/strip because of white residue in the creases.
This isn't a product that you should be using once a month for a shoe shine, as it isn't meant for polishing: it's a conditioner (or a reconditioner). If the shoes have been sitting for quite some time or you've beaten the hell out of them and worn them in all kinds of bad weather and haven't taken care of them, that's when you break out this product. And it doesn't take much product to breathe some life back into the shoes (or boots), so you've probably applied too much product to your shoes (that probably didn't need too much conditioning in the first place). I know it's costly, but I look at it as not that expensive because this is something that only goes on once a year or so.
And please--don't use this on your Shell Cordovan shoes! Sapphir makes a Cordovan cream if you want to use that for the Shells that you own.
There is no reason you should not use it on Shell
@@willisix2554 Oh really? That's good to know! Renovateur for my calfskin shoes and boots is a good product. But I was taught that Shell doesn't need a conditioner like Renovateur--particularly the lighter colors like the Natural, Amaretto, and Whiskey. I was told that Saphir's Cordovan cream (or a Venetian shoe cream) is the way to go for Shell care. I was also told that a product like Renovateur could possibly darken the Shell and matte its luster, so I've avoided it. I love Horween's Color #8, so all of the Shell Cordovan products I own are in that color (I don't own any Shinki Cordovan products). I don't want them to lose the shiny finish or darken to a near black. I was also taught that Shell Cordovan didn't really need to be polished per se. I have to admit that I didn't believe this at first. But I tried just brushing the products, and it works. I brush the living hell out of the products (especially my wallet), and the nicks, scuffs, and scratches really fill in. The shine is crazy; it's really reflective. But it's really odd though. Sometimes, I can brush for like three or four minutes, and pow, instant shine! But then there are times when I'm brushing for like ten to twelve minutes, and nothing is happening.
Anyway, thanks for sharing. It's boot season, and I'm about to break them out for the first time since last season. I might try the Renovateur and see what happens.
@@Naurif personally i just use it maybe twice a year on my shell Boots other than that like you i brush them a Lot. Remember when you use it , just use a little and let it dry you should be fine
I've used it on shell without any problems.
I really like Renovateur. The only issue I have had using it is the first time it made my shoes sticky. I pretty much used about twice the amount I actually needed to. After letting my shoes sit for about 15 minutes and brushing again, everything was fine.
Thank you so much for this video, this has cleared up most of my mirror shining frustrations I have experienced. IMOP he is spot on, the same thing happened to me with the cracking. It left me scratching my head because I never had this happen before however, I never conditioned my shoes before (Lack of knowledge/military boots). Out of 5 pairs of AE shoes and a pair of Amberjacks, it happened to 3 of them and for some reason it was mainly the 2x AE cap toes and 1x Amberjack. Kirby Allison's staff told me it was because the quality of AE has diminished over the years however, I didn't think' this this sounded right because the quality of the leather is much higher on the AEs, than my military boots I used to mirror shine without any issues and this was using Kiwi not Saphir Pate De Luxe, that I use on my current dress shoes. When I did use the Renovateur, I would do one coat, wait 20-30 min and brush off, and then another coat and let sit overnight and then brush off and go into the actual polishing. They didn't crack until wearing them a full day. I just ordered the Nappa and will only use that from here on out with new shoes. I am sure that Renovateur is good stuff but I doubt it is any better than Nappa on New Shoes, especially when you are going to then use the Saphir Pommadier cream and Pate De Luxe. IMOP the Renovateur would be better suited for bringing older shoes back to life, don't waste your money if using on new shoes. Thanks again
I'm not a professional by any means when it comes to shoe care, and used this product for the first time yesterday on a pair of Italian hiking boots, and maybe I was lucky because this is the best stuff I've ever used and was pretty easy to do. I always approach something like this as less is more, so maybe that happened to work in my favor. Will see down the road if I still have the same results as yesterday thanks for the video.
Glad it worked out for you :)
It is excellent for what it is designed to do. It reconditions and hydrates the leather. Once clean any old polish off, use renovateur to rehydrate and condition leather, sapphire creams for colour and shine and polishes for more shine and protection.
You didn’t get lucky with it. You probably used it for it’s actual purpose so hot good results.
You need to educate yourself and either remake this video correctly or take it down as to stop misleading folks.
The problem with Saphir Renovateur is not caused by the waxes because the concentration is just very small to cause any creasing whatsoever.The real problem is the large concentration of solvents in the creme. Renavateur is a no no for hand-painted patina because it will strip the finish. It is safe though with box calf especially black. Renovatuer is ideal after stripping the shoes especially when using acetone since it dries the hell out of the shoes. In my opinion, the best Saphir conditioner is Saphir Creme Universelle Balm. Try it and you will not regret.
Does the Creme Universelle Balm give a shiny finish? I have a pair of ECCO's white sneaker with matte pebble grain leather. Once I applied TRG Shoes Cream which contains beeswax, it gave a shiny finish which I don't like.
The Universelle Balm is beeswax and jojoba oil based.
This video is full of misinformation. These products are oil based. it literally says it on the lid. This is a product to repair shoe not to poliosh
Mink oil 😂
I don’t believe that proper use of renovateur causes any problems even for museum calf . It’s quite simple and barely confusing. Just dip a lit bit with a cloth to remove the old wax and dust. Then job done. Sometimes the leather appears quite dry and need to be conditioned and renovateur is best in this case.
The Renovateur should be used when heavily used shoes require hydration. It should be used once a year. All in all, it will depend on the shoe usage and its environment. It is not recommended for timely basis applications, as we do with the hard waxes. But, in general is and outstanding product.
I don't agree with most of your observations in regarda the Reno.
I been using a lot Reno in all my CXL, Veg Tan and Oil Tan leathers. It's a wonderful cream to use. It's water based with waxes. ANY leather will patina with OR without conditioners. Unless it's save in a dark and dry place in eternity.
It dark leather a bit shade but it's helps to condition it a lot better than most products.
Beginners or not this it's not oil, grease or wax that will dark a LOT any leather.
Amount to apply? Leather will tell you.
Brush, brush,. Brush a lot and will fade residue. Like any other conditioner.
This it's my .02 only.
Thanks for the comment my guy!!
I was a newbie yet I loved (and still love) the shine after applying and buffing the Renovateur. I don’t know how much you used that resulted in cracking but a little goes a long way, definitely not like regular leather conditioners. I still have 2/3 of my Renovateur after more than a year and I’ve used in on several pairs including tall boots quite regularly as polishing shoes is a hobby to me
Crème 1925 is nice to use when the leather is in good condition already, it’s smells great. I only use renovateur after stripping polish off with Renomat and washing with saddle soap. Let leather dry as necessary, and with Renomat you need to make sure it’s all evaporated dry or else it’ll just break down the Renovateur.
Use small amounts , mistake I made in beginning was putting it on like suncream. Let it dry for 5 minutes and buff. Smells divine !
Another one to be careful with, though less common, is Saphir's Oiled Leather (Cuir Gras) cream. It's a great conditioner on oil tanned leather. I've used it to spruce up a pair of Warfield & Grand Heist boots in brown oil tan leather. I foolishly used it on some boots in Siedel Double Shot (combination tanned with a slightly waxy finish) to rub out some scuffs on the toe cap. The high neatsfoot oil content gave this leather a wet feel, dulled the waxy surface finish and darkened it a bit. Fortunately it was only on one toe cap and seems to be slowly buffing out and color reverting to normal with wear. Lesson learned to not grab whatever is conveniently at the bench during a late night cleaning session.
I use this on handmade Italian Algeria leather football boot's. It has Mink oil in it, says on the top of the lid..
How much Reno would you have to use to get a layer of wax that would crack?!?!??
The problem im seeing in the comments is you guys are doing way too much and using the wrong products. And then blaming the out come on the products you're using
I prefer use Saphir Creme Universelle instead of Renovateur.
I shall try that one, thank you!
i thought nappa cream is for nappa leather 🤔
Yes it is!! but I find it okay to be used on shoes just to moisturize. Also some shoes have Nappa leather too
I have been using saphir renovateur for more than 10 years and have never had a problem with my shoes.
All I know is, I’m a newbie, I used Renovatour and I started seeing the color bleed, I panicked and never touched it again.
I only give full treatment for my dress boots & shoes 4 times a yesr (q1, q2, q3, q4). 1 jar of Saphir Renovateur & Pomadier cream for me can last for +-3 years, acutally it ain't that expensivie 😅.
Even better is the saphir oiled leather cream. It is very very hard to find but it has no mink oil in and. Won’t darken the leather. Saphir medialle d’or or oiled leather cream it’s called. Neatsfoot oil, apricot oil and emulsified beeswax.
As a number of people have said already, my understanding is a renovator product like this or other conditioners should be avoided on painted or corrected grain leather
Поясню для русскоговорящих, автор изумительно запутался . Средство создано не для полировки. Оно является завершающим этапом очищения после (к примеру saphir-ор RenoMat) и в первую очередь кондиционером-увлажнителем Не стоит ждать от него сверх очищения, но и можно наносить на один слой меньше двухкомпонентного очистителя(С каждой парой индивидуально, нужно прочувствовать), но увлажняет он прекрасно. При условии, что вы очистили кожу "До открытых пор". Абсолютно точно не следует его наносить на забытые поры или как "Уход между прочим",при неправильно использовании, минимум стоит ждать посредственный эффект, максимум отрицательный. Рекомендации для братков:
- не использовать при каждом базовом уходе.
-после нанесения средство должно впитаться, после заполировать.
-наносить в перчатках, одним пальцем, очень тонким слоем (Бессмысленно и дорого наносить несколько слоев).
-сушить в проветриваемом помещении при комнатной температуре.
The product is not intended for polishing. It is the final stage of cleansing (such as saphir RenoMat) and above all a conditioner-humidifier.You should not expect it to over-clean, but you can apply one layer less than a two-part cleanser (with each pair individually, you need to feel), but it moisturizes perfectly. As long as you have pre-cleaned your skin "Till Open Pores." Categorically not to be applied to neglected pores or as "Every Day Care," if used improperly, you should expect at least mediocre effects, at most negative. Recommendations:
- Do not use with every basic care.
-After application, soak in, then buff off.
-Apply with gloves, one finger, in a very thin layer (it is pointless and expensive to apply several coats).
-Dry in a ventilated room at room temperature.
I'm a newbie and find all saphir products brilliant you only need a small amount of products so the cost is irrelevant as it will last a long time
Is Saphir Medaille D'Or Renovator Cream with Macadamia Oil better for keeping the original leather colour and shade compared with the version that uses mink oil? Is it easier to use with the macadamia oil? I believe mink oil darkens the leather a shade even with Saphir products. Does this help with scuffs and scratches or do you really need the coloured 1925 cream?
Good points made man! I've been using renovateur for a long time, but use creme universelle or bic4 more often. Especially with a lot of companies moving towards painted crust, the renovateur can be really quite harsh. Just subscribed!
Thank you so much, I really want to try bick 4. but not just yet haha
@@Kudusole nappa and bick 4 is pretty much the same thing. Except nappa does not contain silicone.
There are many types of waxes, and typically the wax ratio and wax recipe in creams or conditioners are soft waxes, versus the stiff waxes used in a paste type polish. That said, I’m not all that found of saphir as a whole, they use Turpentine and other ingredients which make them easier to use but have a certain level of toxicity to them, which I try to avoid. Pure Polish Products, is an all non toxic leather care option which I find to be much better for the leather and for the person taking care of the leathwr
Hey thanks for the info!! I follow you on Instagram:)!! I will follow you on UA-cam too!!
@@Kudusole thanks man!
Rénovateur is an all natural conditioner and contains zero turpentine. It's a combination of natural animal and plant based oils and emulsified beeswax. That's it. Some of the hard wax polishes contain plant based "turpentine."
@@Snugglez187 unfortunately, I can’t say for sure one way or the other because there’s no clear list of ingredients anywhere. But if you have the import disclosure sheet that breaks down all of their ingredients, that would be awesome to see
It's important to know what each product is used for. We all know how to wash our bodies and faces so i will use the human face as an example. 1. Wash, 2. Moisturize, 3. Makeup, 4. Set/protect the final look. If we were to translate that to cow skin (leather), we would then 1. Wash (shoe cleaner), 2. Moisturize/condition (renovateur) 3. Makeup (dye, wax, etc.), 4. Set/protect (waterproofer). You wouldnt put lotion over makeup because it will cause it to look cakey. You wouldn't put renovateur over wax for the same reason. All moisturizers have an oily-ish substance in it, but that doesnt function as wax. It helps with keeping the skin/leather supple. So, when you are servicing your shoes, remember that you have to strip the wax off before you use the renovateur, then add the dye and wax to repair the color and shine. After that, use a waterproof spray (optional), but in that order only. Hope this helps.
It's a good product for certain uses but unnecessary for conditioning your shoes. Cheaper alternatives can even work better.
Kind of like using expensive hair shampoo as detergent for clothing when clothing detergent is cheaper and works better.
I didn’t know about the nappa product. Thanks!
I been using Renovateur since the very beginning! Fuck me. I didn't know any better but now I do :) Thanks for sharing
Haha if you are comfortable using it, to be honest continue using it :)!
@@Kudusole the problem is I am not, it caused the exact same problem you described in the video. Before I thought is the leather quality not good. Did you try Japanese brands like: Collonil or m.mowbray? They are highly rated
@@qtyrubnvfm I have not tried the Japanese brands no!! I heard about them but it's hard to get them in Korea surprisingly!
Almost everything in this video is wrong. You need to get your facts right.
Pricey stuff with a little too much of the 'snake oil' vibe imparted by many UA-camrs. With all shoe care products, use the right one for the right job, apply sparingly using the best technique. Personally I have only tried the Saphir polishes and have found them to be excellent products. Gradually I am upgrading the other compounds and potions in my shoe care box to Saphir as they are used up. Keep polishing!
Yup, it is not like we have much choice. Over all in Canada it is chemical Kiwi or natural Saphir. Everything else is pretty much no-name stuff branded with whatever chain shoe repair place you bought it from.
I'm no fan of the channels that are constantly hyping overpriced products to shill for big daddy, but when i get "renuhvader" and "joe-joe-ba" back to back, I'm out.
I own both renovateur and the Saphir pure mink oil. Pure mink oil does wondrous things to leather but requires some care as the effects of the renovatuer discussed here are more pronounced.
A product that is great for regular use in my experience is Collonil 1909 premium leather cream.
Thank you for the recommendation! May try those out
I hope you can take my comment constructively. You need to experiment a little more with shoe shining. Renovateur and cream polish will never crust at the toe or heel or vamp. And saphir conditioner is quite forgiving. If you want something totally natural you should definitely try Pure Polish products you will like them.
Is Saphir universal has the same functions? and is it less harsh than Reno?
@Kudusole what brown color is this what is shown in the video?
Don’t make a video of a product unless you know how to use it. Read the instructions !
I used it on a leather lazy boy yesterday
What about kiwi shoe care products? What do you think?
OK at a pinch.
This video is hard to watch.
I completely agree with you. I thought I was doing something wrong. It was the Renovateur and Saphir mirror gloss which completely ruins the looks of the shoe. I had to strip them using acetone and 90% IPA. Thanks for the video.
Yeah also buffing for a long time is very important too haha
the Saphir mirror gloss is also bad for the shoes? I was planning on buying it
@@MrFernandochaos yes, don’t waste your monry
interesting take. I discovered Boot Black about 5 years ago and never used Saphir products again, I just found Boot Black products to look better on leather and it was easier to achieve a good shine. As for Renovateur, I thought it was supposed to be nourishment for leather while Pommadier and such were used for waxing and polishing. You're absolutely right, though that beginners tend to use way too much of any product.
It isn't pronounced "Rénovatoar".
The French "eu" is pronounced like the "e" in the English word "her", the "ea" in "to learn", the "i" in "first" or the "u" in "turtle" for instance. 🙂
So just Renovater? :D?
Hey I was wondering if you know where to purchase Safir Oily leather Cream in Burgundy color. I can’t find anyone that sells it online her. So I am asking you if you know of a place to do so.
Maybe this helps!? www.afinepairofshoes.co.uk/products/saphir-medaille-dor-pommadier-cream-polish-75ml?_pos=22&_sid=47d589ecd&_ss=r&variant=491657217
Save your money and use Venetian shoe cream. If you are scared of removing color use Bick4, it’s dirt cheap but is color safe but not much protection (no wax)
I really should try venetian cream!
@@sergioprieto4809 ohhh? Is that what it is!??!?!?!?!? OMG
Dammit I decided to condition my shoes today and I used the renovator on my new ace marks burgundy monks and it started taking out the dye in spots smh.
@@wwjrdaily9078 Haven't seen the shoes but try to use and create a thin layer of saphir Burgundy shoe cream. Hopefully that could help!
You should ditch the Renovateur and the Napa for Saphir Creme Universelle.
how about saphir medaille d'or lotion? is it good and versatile enough?
I’m just seeing this but, jojoba isn’t pronounced with hard J’s. Pronounce the J’s as H’s “Hohoba”. Good luck!
How about the Saphir Renovateur for Oily leather like Chromexcel or pull up leather. This is Neats Foot oil based. I have a pair of Alden Indy 403 in brown Chromexcel, the scratches disappears when I apply the creme
If you successfully got rid of the scratches, congrats!! You know how to use the cream, so continue :)!
Before to give advises to others, please become a good scientist and wait for more experience. I'm a professional in shoe care and what you said about Renovateur from Saphir is simply false !
Please do explain so we can all learn together! :)
Saphir Dubbin is dope too
Just get the cheaper version patte de lux, it's 10 bucks
Saphir Médaille d'Or Nappa Cream DEFINITELY contains wax !
maybe Im useless using this product, I have the whole range of Saphir products, this is the one I hate
For me all shoes products with wax in it like shoe cream, wax polish and Saphir Renovateur are useless. Wax makes the laether dryer, more cracky and less breathable. So what is the point of using them? The point is that when you apply wax product on you shoes and want it later on to take care of your shoes again - then you have to BUY new product like saddle soap or Saphir Renomat to remove the wax that you applied before. So the customer must BUY two products instead of one! Make sense now? Mind you that sophisticated shoes gurus claim you have to use ….. five different shoe care products if you want your shoes to last. It makes you BUY five products. I am resistable to all this marketing crap as I worked years in advertising business. I am using only one product for cleaning my leather shoes - that is Tarrago Mink Oil 100 ml. In Europe it costs me equivalent of 7 dollars. You can also use other non mink oils. Once I used even my face cream for the shoes and it worked much better than a wax polish :) Good oil softens the leather, moistens it and makes it waterproof. And thanks to it all of my shoes are in great condition and I don't spend long hours on cleaning them. Want to keep shoes care companies with high profits and spend more money? Then buy wax shoes products. Especially Saphire brand.
Saphire renovateur destroyed my shoes, a 1500 usd shoes, dont use it
harsh? using the wrong word
well too bad i guess just ordered it!
It’s not Jo Jo Ba it’s pronounced HoHoBa.
renovator contains mink oil and it will darken leather... so do not use on light colored shoes unless you want them darker. renovateur is overpriced for what it is.. nothing special and it darkens leather. it's a pass for me.