I don't know if this is the same issue but I have noticed for a long time the CGC books I buy are all wavy inside the case . I made up my mind a long time ago to send any raw books I want graded to CBCS . Their cases are much nicer , better fit and clearer , no newton rings .
Your video is absolutely 100% FACTUAL as the current quality assurance process and procedures for the CGC warped inner wells is just unacceptable and ridiculous. I just received back from CGC a Modern submittal of 25 books. It was blatantly obvious that CGC has a defective products issue (warped inner wells) as I also experienced the exact same problem you presented. In CGC's defense, this defective product issue (warped inner wells) must have started to occur just recently as I've never had or seen this issue in my 20 years of submitting to CGC. In any case, whoever is currently in charge of CGC at this time needs to be fired!!! Good Job on making this video!!!
I would bet that they did "reslab" them, which was crack them open, take out the inner well, try to flatten it a bit, and then put it into a new slab. They won't actually cut it out of the inner well because that would require a regrade. I sent a slab back, years ago, because it was obviously sealed crooked inside the inner well. It came back to me in the exact same crooked inner well. "We tried, but we couldn't straighten it." No shit - you didn't cut it out of the inner well.
Thanks for updating on this, it has to be horribly frustrating. I did send 3 of my books back that had the same issue, they are currently in Scheduled for Grading under "Mechanical Error" so will see what happens. I compared those 3 books of mine against many other slabs that I have and there is clearly an obvious difference.
Thanks for putting this video together! The exact same thing happened to me and I thought I was going crazy. I press and clean my own books and am hyper sensitive to and sort of spine stress seen before I send them away. My last submission came back with the grades I was expecting...but they look completely bent in the slabs...to such a degree that they present a few grades lower. Crazy!
I actually just checked some of my most recent slabs, the ones that have loose innerwells……..issue my not be the actual innerwells themselves but the way they’re being cut for the slab before sealing……?
I've never submitted to them, there has been a few books that I have thought about turning in, but idk now. collectors have handed over the gavel as arbiters of what something is. I just don't like doing business that way. Raw all the way.
Oh, I see with your Spidey black suit comic, that inner pocket is bending and creasing the comic. I get it now. Looks like it caused bends in 3 or 4 areas on your book. No way a 9.4 now. They owe you money for that. Alot of money.
Sorry dude, that is ridiculous, and the sad part about it is part of the reason people slab their books is to preserve them for the future. I don't slab books, I did it once and wasn't happy with the results. I would rather spend that money on more comics and be happy with what I grade them as.
Thanks man. Exactly. I read these books, then wanted to preserve them and maybe add some value to them. And if I still have them when I pass on from this life for my wife or kids to be able to sell them a little more easily if they choose. I had so many silver age key and silver age high grade books I wanted to submit, now, I'll use that money for more books instead.
I stopped slabbing with CGC after their Black Flag fiasco, and their performance has only deteriorated since then. I haven’t used any slabbing service since, and I won’t be returning to any until a company with genuine morals and integrity emerges.
They be messing up a lot for the pass couple of years. Got some books i sent that looks nice and 9.8 contender. After slab they put 9.8 and physically looking at it, comics looks fucked. Like im happy it got the 9.8 but the comics said other wise. So for someone that will sell it, it might be hard too. Its like they only want you to keep the books.😅
Just got my order back from CGC and of six books two have the shaken comic syndrome and one has the same damage as your your ASM 252. Dang it now I have to fully check the full six again. Im very skittish now on sending any more books to them.
I see a lot of books with the inner wells going up then down like a banana I don’t think it’s damaging the book like 80% of the Cgc slabs I’ve seen have this
I had the same problem this spring. They damaged one of my comics. It was flawless upon submission, and it DID receive a 9.8, but the book is UGLY now! massive, hideous spine tic right in the middle. And the inner well looks like a banana!! On the left side, when viewed from the left. So frustrated.
Thanks for sharing... I was reluctantly considering a submission but will now forgoe it. CGC is a mess right now and their assumption that they are the standard when it comes to 3rd party grading is mistaken. CBCS is my go to bow when I submit. I still prefer grading my own books and keeping them protected in top loaders.
I have a bunch of books from decades ago and was looking to have CGC evaluate the obvious ones like NM 98 and ASM 300 but after seeing this and the videos about CGC switching books I don’t see how CGC can be trusted.
I thought cgc was supposed to be the best. I bought several cgc graded books on eBay. Now that I've seen this video it is now raising concerns about cgc graded comic books. I also collect coins and banknotes which are graded by ngc and pmg. I hope there are no problems with those grading companies.
I see they still have those crappy bags...goes along with the crappy service they have. Sorry about your books. I'd send them back and have CGC give you FMV for each of those.
At 5:16 you see it. Jezus. I've always wanted to submit my Hulk 181, Avengers 4, etc. to CGC, never done it before. I'll hold off for awhile and keep 'em in my mylars and backing board and can read them anytime I want.
I actually think books are safer in a Mylar with acid free backboards
I had never felt confident sending my raw comics to them.
I don't know if this is the same issue but I have noticed for a long time the CGC books I buy are all wavy inside the case . I made up my mind a long time ago to send any raw books I want graded to CBCS . Their cases are much nicer , better fit and clearer , no newton rings .
Your video is absolutely 100% FACTUAL as the current quality assurance process and procedures for the CGC warped inner wells is just unacceptable and ridiculous.
I just received back from CGC a Modern submittal of 25 books. It was blatantly obvious that CGC has a defective products issue (warped inner wells) as I also experienced the exact same problem you presented.
In CGC's defense, this defective product issue (warped inner wells) must have started to occur just recently as I've never had or seen this issue in my 20 years of submitting to CGC.
In any case, whoever is currently in charge of CGC at this time needs to be fired!!!
Good Job on making this video!!!
I’ve been on the fence whether to have the books graded for preservation or just go with Comic Capsules?
I would bet that they did "reslab" them, which was crack them open, take out the inner well, try to flatten it a bit, and then put it into a new slab. They won't actually cut it out of the inner well because that would require a regrade. I sent a slab back, years ago, because it was obviously sealed crooked inside the inner well. It came back to me in the exact same crooked inner well. "We tried, but we couldn't straighten it." No shit - you didn't cut it out of the inner well.
Thanks for updating on this, it has to be horribly frustrating. I did send 3 of my books back that had the same issue, they are currently in Scheduled for Grading under "Mechanical Error" so will see what happens. I compared those 3 books of mine against many other slabs that I have and there is clearly an obvious difference.
Thanks for putting this video together! The exact same thing happened to me and I thought I was going crazy. I press and clean my own books and am hyper sensitive to and sort of spine stress seen before I send them away. My last submission came back with the grades I was expecting...but they look completely bent in the slabs...to such a degree that they present a few grades lower. Crazy!
Obviously, they take extra care of their own books and their friend’s books. We really let these people influence the market.
I actually just checked some of my most recent slabs, the ones that have loose innerwells……..issue my not be the actual innerwells themselves but the way they’re being cut for the slab before sealing……?
I've never submitted to them, there has been a few books that I have thought about turning in, but idk now. collectors have handed over the gavel as arbiters of what something is. I just don't like doing business that way. Raw all the way.
I started to take pictures off my book next to a newspaper because they damaged one of my book and I didn’t have proof to show it to them
I actually think CBCS has better innerwells…….wells are actually conformed to the books size
It is better if you’re gonna keep the book for you, but if you want to sell it, people won’t buy it if it’s not CGC
Oh, I see with your Spidey black suit comic, that inner pocket is bending and creasing the comic. I get it now. Looks like it caused bends in 3 or 4 areas on your book. No way a 9.4 now.
They owe you money for that. Alot of money.
CBCS doesn’t have that inner warp problem because the outer shell is tighter.
Sorry dude, that is ridiculous, and the sad part about it is part of the reason people slab their books is to preserve them for the future. I don't slab books, I did it once and wasn't happy with the results. I would rather spend that money on more comics and be happy with what I grade them as.
Thanks man. Exactly. I read these books, then wanted to preserve them and maybe add some value to them. And if I still have them when I pass on from this life for my wife or kids to be able to sell them a little more easily if they choose. I had so many silver age key and silver age high grade books I wanted to submit, now, I'll use that money for more books instead.
Ever since they were bought out by that other company their quality control has hit rock bottom.
I stopped slabbing with CGC after their Black Flag fiasco, and their performance has only deteriorated since then. I haven’t used any slabbing service since, and I won’t be returning to any until a company with genuine morals and integrity emerges.
This is unacceptable. Im sorry this happened.
They be messing up a lot for the pass couple of years. Got some books i sent that looks nice and 9.8 contender. After slab they put 9.8 and physically looking at it, comics looks fucked. Like im happy it got the 9.8 but the comics said other wise. So for someone that will sell it, it might be hard too. Its like they only want you to keep the books.😅
Just got my order back from CGC and of six books two have the shaken comic syndrome and one has the same damage as your your ASM 252. Dang it now I have to fully check the full six again. Im very skittish now on sending any more books to them.
I was thinking of sending books to CGC, but after seeing this... I'm going to stick to CBCS!
I see a lot of books with the inner wells going up then down like a banana I don’t think it’s damaging the book like 80% of the Cgc slabs I’ve seen have this
I had the same problem this spring. They damaged one of my comics. It was flawless upon submission, and it DID receive a 9.8, but the book is UGLY now! massive, hideous spine tic right in the middle. And the inner well looks like a banana!! On the left side, when viewed from the left. So frustrated.
All my innerwells are loose in the slabs, one can literally shake the books around in the slab…..ridiculous!!!
I buy my books graded, if possible. And the reason for that, gotten burned on loose books. I do crack them out, when needed…….?
Makes me want to check my books
Thanks for sharing... I was reluctantly considering a submission but will now forgoe it. CGC is a mess right now and their assumption that they are the standard when it comes to 3rd party grading is mistaken. CBCS is my go to bow when I submit. I still prefer grading my own books and keeping them protected in top loaders.
Hope you get a refund...
This is why Raw in a top loader is king sry bro 😢
@@ireckbeatz1219 Agreed, actually just got 2 comic book magnetic holders in from Amazon. They are NICE. Going to upload a video review of them.
The book is acutely bent inside the well, not safe at all….!
I have a bunch of books from decades ago and was looking to have CGC evaluate the obvious ones like NM 98 and ASM 300 but after seeing this and the videos about CGC switching books I don’t see how CGC can be trusted.
I thought cgc was supposed to be the best. I bought several cgc graded books on eBay. Now that I've seen this video it is now raising concerns about cgc graded comic books. I also collect coins and banknotes which are graded by ngc and pmg. I hope there are no problems with those grading companies.
Omg that would make me furious. Those are big books.
They probably just kept the inner wells and replaced the slab……..what a joke!!
I see they still have those crappy bags...goes along with the crappy service they have. Sorry about your books. I'd send them back and have CGC give you FMV for each of those.
Overall I think grading is subjective…..?
Probably a bunch of dope smokers handling the books and running the encapsulation machine. 😅
That's pretty shitty, hello CBCS!
That’s ugly as all hell…….don’t they have QC People to check every slab before shipping…….shit, for what one pays for a slab….?
Good. CGC is a terrible company.
Horrible
At 5:16 you see it.
Jezus. I've always wanted to submit my Hulk 181, Avengers 4, etc. to CGC, never done it before. I'll hold off for awhile and keep 'em in my mylars and backing board and can read them anytime I want.