Explaining the 90's Spider-Man Clone Saga
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- One of the most explosive sagas in comics history! Peter Parker's world is rocked like never before by the return of his clone, long thought dead. For years, the clone has lived in peace as "Ben Reilly," but now he will be drawn back into wall-crawling action as the Scarlet Spider! But who or what is Kaine? Both Peter and Ben will be caught in a web of death spun by the Jackal, and their power and responsibility will be tested to the limits as the villain's game of smoke and mirrors raises the question: just who is the real Amazing Spider-Man? Never miss an episode by subscribing today! bit.ly/2WYvgkt #spiderman
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You can buy the first volume of the Spider-Man Clone Saga here: amzn.to/29FrOCt
I know you guys need the money but NO sorry I can't lmao
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 that doesn’t give them the money I think but idk
@@redddeadhood5630 I just mean ethically I can't give Marvel a dime for it period
The internal monologue of "The Spider" sounds like Frank Miller's Batman had a midlife crisis and decided to try being Spider-Man.
Thank you for, your commerced interest watching the show, enough to have the autochthonous anodyne cogitation, to recognize such a similarity that would be latterly instanced by Sal*
@@batcharactersput the thesaurus away that’s enough
Watching Ethan gradually slip into madness over the absurdity of this story is pure comedy gold lol
"That's gold, Ethan....GOLD!!!"
Spiderman cartoon from the90s referenced this.
Spiderman: This is starting to sound like a bad comic book plot.
Ben Reilly: It gets worse.
I read like 300 issues now then listened a lot from these guys and I think 90s spiderman cartoon is better than the comics.
Alibey Bal 90s cartoon is top tier spider-man media
The episode is also called "i really, really hate clones"
Shots fired
It's insane how much extra work the writers put in because they were too lazy to come up with interesting stories for a family man Peter Parker.
Such a good way to put it. So much work put into something to make it good that somehow they were unwilling to make good.
@@silverlightsinaugust2756 It's actually have more to do with the fact that Parker as adult sold less then young Parker, so they try to force him into being younger then he is, which include him not being married and acting as horny teenager
Try to write anything
I love the idea of Judas Traveller putting a letter in a mailbox and then breaking out into nefarious laughter.
I actually really like ben's scarlet spider costume.
Most people do actually
But he's not wearing one
It is, infact, my favorite outfit.
@@pickedceasar1216 Ben Reilly not Ben from the show
Honestly that and the Superior Spider Man suit are my favorites
*notification pops up*
"The Clone Saga!"
Dear god… here we go…
this made me quit comics for 10 yrs, then quit again after reading One More Day. The walking dead comics got me back into comics during spring 2014.
+mylesuncharted Really? How could such a flagship character screw up so badly?
+Infinitydev 2020 The 90s were darkest times for him.
+Infinitydev 2020 anything was possible in the 90s
+Infinitydev 2020 Twice.
Spider-Man: Let's Have Our Cake, And Eat It, Too!
by cloning it
+Just Some Guy with a Mustache You know with the story that Spiderman has with clones, is really a surprised that he abandon Iron Man side during the first Civil War, when he discover that he made a clone of Thor (or as he is better know, Chlor)
cloning cakes XDDDDDDD
I want a recurring series on Judas Traveler.
Judas Traveler vs The X-men. Judas Traveler fights Thanos. Judas Traveler meets Archie. Whatever, really.
The "tell your daughter about her Uncle Ben" part sounds pretty awesome. I teared up a little when you said that.
I cried too because it's so sad that Ben Riely is never going to get to see his daughter mayday Parker aka spidergirl
@@TevyaSmolka Neither will Peter Parker
@@ridge825 yeah and that's the sad thing in a nutshell, because Peter Parker and Mary Jane deserved to have there daughter Mayday Parker spider-girl alive and kicking within the main marvel universe and stop holding the character back for bullshit.
@@ridge825 Joe quesada might be the worst
As bad as the Clone Saga was, the issue in which Aunt May 'died' was actually very well written and one of the shining stars in this dark mess
+Jimmy Change And of course, it didn't stick, because you know, we want to return to the 70s status quo
never read a comic book but this sounds like a huge mess
Was one of my favorite along with yhe one where harry died. Both now undone by stupid stories
Loreaver Yeah, this event was a fucking shit show. And I though Spider-Verse was kind of a mess, but THIS is beyond ridiculous.
I heard that Lost Years was pretty good and underrated
I like "Dr Traveler and his merry band of idiots"
Speaking of, I remember reading about Scrier (and his cult) in this one Spider-Man novel entitled "Spider-Man: Requiem." In it, the writer tied them to this ancient book buried out in a desert and the Carrion virus. What also was weird about it is that the book features this side plot about a serial killer getting the Carrion virus and it dedicated a whole chapter to this character capturing a woman, tying her up, and mutilating her in a disturbing amount of detail for a book about Spider-Man. It's bizarre as hell.
Could J Michael Straczinsky's stuff with Peter being chosen by the Spider God retroactively explain why Peter loses his powers during the Clone Saga? I guess it's contrived, but I could see the explanation being something like "since he doesn't believe he is genuinely this person, the Spider God no longer recognizes him as worthy."
+Dylan Cisneros Marvel would have given you a No-Prize for this explanation!
But the Spider God thing is so bad. It removes the whole thing of that Spider-Man could have been anyone, but Peter just by chance had such great responsibility thrust upon him.
@@HOTD108_ true and that's why I feel like JMS is such a good writer. He convinced me that the idea of a spider- God is actually worth reading 😭
Way to think of a way to make this retarded plot 5x more retarded
"He's been fake since before you were born."
"He's been Hydra since before you were born."
Me and Sal. Brothers in sad, exasperated frustration.
It makes me really uncomfortable seeing how long ago secret empire was
Secret Empire is forgivable since Red Skull has a history of changing people's backstories
Spoiler Alert
When you bring up the whole Kaine "Protect the Peter Parker Brand" all I could hear in my head was "I must delete you Brother Riley to Protect the Parker Brand! DELETE DELETE!! Senior Benjamin prepare the battlefield for massacre!"
***** AHHH A DILAPIDATED BOAT!
Brother Riley lmfao
puffnisse Broken Matt vs Brother Nero The Final Deletion feat. Senior Benjamin and a DILAPIDATED BOAT!
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+comiXproviderFTW whhaa? I thought he was Willow... or the Gardener... or Reby Sky's dad... or the one who prepares the battlefield for Massacre
My favorite part of this WHOLE episode is "The Spider" subplot.
Ethan's reactions to the crap that is this 'epic' are the best XD
I love Ben Reilly but this "epic" was a pile of hot garbage
It's fucking hilarious to me that just as Peter and MJ are starting to become an item again in the modern era...
The clone returns, *again*
The editors were so high they thought they were spiderman
Brandon Ortiz you're spider-man, and you're spider-man, everybody's spider-man!
I would like to know how Sal's reaction hearing episode 2 of stars wars was going to be called Attack Of The Clones when it was being made... probably had Vietnam like flash backs
I think clones were just a big 90s thing. Spider-Man did clones, Star Wars did clones (Dark Empire), FFVII and IX had clone stuff.
There’s a blog called life of Reilly. Goes into the behind the scenes. Basically the writers were so ready to end this but sales department was in charge of the company and wouldn’t let them.
There is a standing theory in the Marvel Universe that no one ages due to Franklin Richards.
Just throwing that out there regarding the passage of time in Earth 616...
Yeah, we're familiar with the St. Elsewhere theory. I think we've mentioned it a few times here, but the guys hate it so we avoid mentioning it.
Great vid on the clone saga BTW - I had almost forgotten how f*cked up Gwen Stacy's afterlife had become as she was constantly made into clones. And when I saw the "Clone Conspiracy" coming out a few months back, I cringed...
D.L. Young p
I still remember my first comics. Age of Apocalypse and the final four issues of the clone saga. My stepfather just bought them and gave them to me without any knowledge of comics. I remember reading the last four of this thinking "what is going on?! What did I miss out on?!"
And reading the entire thing still gives the thought of "what is going on?" Lol
Than you went back read the rest and still had no idea what was going on
I remember some of my earliest Spiderman comics were LITERALLY the last few issues of Ben Reillys tenure of spiderman
@@bZman and to show my age, my first trade was the Ultimate Clone Saga ( can't wait for that one Sal..)
This was one of the most entertaining, confusing, frustrating and funniest back issues episodes
23:54 is my favourite 90’s Spider-Man impression ever “Ahhhh IIII’M The Spiderrrrr uh what the Fu&$ . . . “
At 47:18 the moment Ethan contemplated what it means to exist in this upside down world, haha
Do Geoff Johns' entire run of Green Lantern.
I would love to see that, like every 10 episodes start from Secret Origin and then go in chronological order
Good Idea
I'm from the future
As great of a story that is, trying to cover it in the format that comicpop usually does would either be one 7 hour video, or several smaller ones
Hahah, I can just fucking imagine the things he's gonna say...
Yep... Yep.. I was rigt, hahaha
I loved Ethan's reaction on the Aunt May twist.
I didn't read these stories when they originally came out. Your retelling of them was so fun and enjoyable. Keep up the great work!
Wow. What a cluster of a story. Thank you guys, especially Sal, for sitting/reading through it. This was the story line in 1994 that knocked me out of comics for nearly a decade so it's nice that I now know how the story ended after I got out after two issues.
I liked the clone saga at first, but I was done when they brought back Norman. I haven’t bought a comic since.
When I started to get back into comics I heavily contemplated buying the whole of the clone saga, because as a kid who grew up in the nineties, Scarlet Spider was rad as hell. I even bought the first volume of the saga, luckily I ran into this video before I was tempted to buy any more. Because they are damn expensive, and not worth the money. Watching this is great though, You guys rock!
During the video I got a commercial about beer, probably UA-cam was like: "Is a video about the clone saga!? OMG everybody should get a beer"
J Michael Straczynski's run (except Sins Past) is awesome! I don't know how -or if- it could fit in an episode, but it would be great to see! Amazing job, guys!
My favorite part was at the very end when Sal almost broke the tablet while yelling CLOOONES
It's funny, Bendis did his own version of the Clone Saga in Ultimate Spider Man, and it was actually my favorite story arc in the "Peter Parker era". Nine well written, well drawn and well paced issues and then it was done.
Goddammit this episode is so good I just keep rewatching it... at this point I’m just quoting the episode with you guys lmao
It's funny that over the years I've begun to really enjoy both Ben Reilly and Kaine Parker.
This was the most wtf episode ever. My head hurts so much right now.
"Oh, you found Maximum Clonage."
This might be my favorite episode of back issues. Well done gentlemen
49:04 LMFAO I don't know why but that part always makes me laugh the hardest.
This is way better than sitting through every Linkara video about this. Now I have a watch order.
SPOILERS for Spider-Man PS4/remastered
33:59 If that became the official permanent death of Aunt May, I would 100% be satisfied with that. It’s beautiful, sad and honestly touching. Hell in Spider-Man PS4 they did something similar (while adding Peter having to decide whether to save one life over many or vice versa) and it was a great end to her character. But no they have to put a weird plot twist that not even a soap opera would do.
Goddamn, son. I forgot how batshit crazy the Clone Saga was.
35:33 funniest 30 seconds of the show lol 😂
I love coming back to these because they are so GODDAMN ENTERTAINING. Seriously love the entire ComicPop team.
Sal, your storytelling prowess has us all mesmerized. Especially Ethan starting at around 7:30 onward 😂
I agree with…well pretty much everybody that the clone saga sucks and the character of Kaine Parker was not written well in it. However, Kaine Parker had this awesome, very underrated series that lasted 25 issues. In it he decides to become the Scarlet Spider again in Houston Texas. At first he tries not to, however he can’t help but try to save people. It’s a series that’s basically Kaine Parker’s redemption arc that I recommend (it’s written by Christopher Yost)
EDIT: you don’t need to read any comics prior, it gives a good amount of exposition for new readers to understand
Stuff like that series is why I actually love Kaine nowadays
My ONLY single issue of Spider-Man (I was an X-Men reader in the 90s) is an issue where Peter Parker/Ben Reilly (I don't honestly remember) was arrested as a part of this saga, and the cover was an embossed "jail bars" cover. Spider-Man #57, I think. So 90s.
Just started the episode, can't wait for Sal's rants....
**gates of hell begin to open**
Once and a while I go back to this episode for 2 reasons: 1. Is to appreciate how _bad_ it is and use it as a reference for how things could always be worse. and 2. Is to try (time after time) to make sense of the damn thing.
Speaking of Kaine, now I want to see Grim Hunt or Spider-Island on Back Issues.
You actually did it! Thank you so much. I heard how much stupid was here, but I had no idea stupid ran this deep. (The Clone Saga, not the ComicPop boys.)
Some of my favorite episodes of Back Issues involve you guys talking about some of the worst/most ridiculous storylines in comics. I know it must be painful for Sal to recount some of these storylines, but the reactions from Ben, Tiffany and Ethan are very entertaining.
The ultimate Spiderman clone saga is way better.
+Ike of Pyke I guess they didn't want to drag it out and just keep the female clone Jessica Drew.
***** he was last scene in nick Fury hands
Only thing i remember about this is when they did clones in that old tv show.
Ben Reily spider-man costume is the best thing about this whole thing. Best SM costume ever.
Love this content. Always listen when I'm drawing, and you make me laugh out loud a lot. Not something I do often.
35:40 was hysterical.
So...."Clonemaggedon" was named in this episode, it's almost as they knew back then that spiderggedon was going to be a thing, hahaha
Easily most rewatched episode. So funny and just perfect
"Back issues: Clone saga" this is going to be good. the story that it seems may never truly end "Clone conspiracy".
Attempting to read the entirety of "The Clone Saga" is a true test of mental endurance.
I love your editing style! Anytime we get a Ethan close up I die laughing!
So much time has passed and this is the first back issues I ever saw
this was the first spiderman story I actively followed and collected as a child. god help me....I loved every second of it. the constant quest for "who is the real peter parker" was fascinating to me. sorry, not sorry.
jacob fisher I don't think 90% of people in the comments have even read the clone saga all the way through or have even read it in the past 10 years
Thissmithy Manga I've only read bits of it but I enjoy it
If you go into this without any attachments to the Spiderman character I think you could enjoy it as a mystery story of sorts. Who's the real Peter Parker? May he please stand up. If you go into it with a deep attachment to Spiderman and his life however you would be understandably pissed.
I’m currently nearly up to book 3 and I’m rlly loving it so far, I find it rlly fun and entertaining and I rlly like Ben Reilly
This is now my favorite episode of Back Issues. Absolutely brilliant!
Im going to watch this so hard it's going to be illegal.
24:33 just casually LOOKING INTO HIS SOUL
Holy christ almighty I can't believe this was 5 years ago. Insane. Rewatching cys you guys are awesome. Glad to have been watching all this time👍
I remember Mark Bagley said he really hates the fake parents storyline because of " The Spider" and he never liked doing the Clone Saga because really no one in the writing table didn't know when to end it and left because he was busy doing Thunderbolts. It's cool that Dan Jurgens and John Romita Jr. was involved with Spiderman, but not for this garbage.
I had a laughing seizure while I watched this the whole way out XD
Ethan Was Being So Funny During This episode.
Man I don't read comics, nor am I particularly into superheroes, but I like spiderman in particular and man these videos are really fun to watch
So they hated Gwen Stacy and they killed her off so Peter can get with Mary Jane, now they hate Mary Jane and try to get rid of her multiple times.
This is one of my favourite back issues yet! XD
Found my way here from the collaborations you've done on Comicstorian's channel with him and Comics Explained. This is fucking gold, laughed audibly multiple times throughout. Glad to be a new subscriber to this channel.
I still say that the whole What If? story and subsequent series with Mayday Parker was the best thing to come about as a result of the Clone Saga.
You've got to be kidding me. This shit had it coming harder than world war hulk and you actually did it. What it the blazing blue balls will you do next?
All New All Different Back Issues I've called it. This is COMICPOP NOW people!
38:20
My childhood is pretty much getting torn apart here :( lol.
I loved the 90's Spidey.
I've heard a lot of negative reviews about this series but it's been great going through it with you guys.👍
My husband quit comic store in the clone saga to. When I started reading comics he kind of got back into them but then Spider-Verse happened and he almost quit completely again. he didn't read it. He just heard Ben Riley's name and wanted nothing to do with it.
The restaurant just closed, I’m about to go Slave over some dishes until like three in the morning. This is a great meditation tool.
I watch this at least twice a day.
Still surviving adult and parenthood with comicpop.
So I know Ben is back and alive but correct me if I'm wrong Sal, because of One More Day's storyline and effects shouldn't Ben still have been to life? Hear me out. If Peter Parker missed his and Mary Janes marriage then Harry wouldn't have died from overdosing on LSD, meaning Norman Osborn wouldn't have heard about Harry dying while Norman was in Europe, meaning that Norman wouldn't have hired Seward Trainer and genetically altered a woman to look like Aunt May, meaning the altered Aunt May wouldn't have had a stroke, meaning Ben wouldn't have come back to New York!!! Am I right?
Mr. Raygunz Sorry but Joe Quesada is a hack no wonder me and so many others hate OMD
Sal equals The Best Story Teller Ever...
The Ultimate version of this was way better.
Hey Saul keep up the good work I know it has been long from tv little house to back issues to now but I love your channel and good job
that Ben Riley + aunt may part had me lol!!! comicpop you guys are genius !
I still absolutely ADORE the original Scarlet Spider outfit.
So much 90's to cool for school energy.
To this day it's still my favorite spiderman outfit.
Carnage would likely be my second favorite character in the entire series 😅
Maximum Carnage was fun and Absolute Carnage was so cool 🤷
Ben as the OG Scarlet Spider binded with the Carnage Symbiote... But it doesn't lose it.
Maybe in a future back issues they can do Batman "No Man's Land" in its entirety.
I feel like this whole mess could've worked with some small changes.
Peter always wants to quit right? He's all about responsibility right?
Mary Jane gets pregnant and Peter is all conflicted.
Ben is all confused because he's Peter but not Peter.
They fight together and Peter retires, passing the torch to Ben.
Then it's not this big betrayl. Peter becomes a mentor character, like he is with Miles. Maybe Peter comes back, and now there's two Spider-Men around the city.
Ben dies, it's all sad. Then Peter takes up the responsibility of Spider-Man, only now he's a dad.
No Caine, no Scrier, no Judas. Just a simple story, no more than a year.
40:48
Do you write notes prior to filming, Sal? If not, you have a stellar memory.
Never, which gets us into trouble sometimes.
Scarlet Spider. one of my favorite 90's costumes
Marvel established that Every 4 years in our time is one year for the Marvel universe but at the same time it could be slower than that
The "Yes...technically...:dead, glazed eyes:" is my favorite part! Yay!