+Jesper O (RaDeus) While I GENERALLY agree with your comment, I can't avoid the irony in talking about capitalism when the first game to defy RUSSIAN hegemony in making tank games took 15 years to be released...
11:50 Jingles, there are far more than just 5 commanders in the game. You can unlock them through other vehicles, like the M109, Gvosdika, LAV-300 etc. Also Freja is probably the best commander for MBT's. Jingles?...
Well...having a bullet proof vest didn't work, so here. Take this bunker I made. Also comes with NBC protection and a door that has a DNA scan keyed to you only. Maybe that'll stop the shotguns. Now hope.
+The Hungry Wolf 足柄 Freja is not the best MBT commander, Juan and Freja have basically the same skillset. 4 of the skills are the same, the 5th skill is different, Juan gets 15% acceleration after you shoot for 10 seconds. Freja gets increased crew damage by 50% after you break a module.
+The Hungry Wolf 足柄 Indeed, I used rep to get the starting arty to 50%, without buying it and playing it, to unlock those commanders. I found that feature to be well worth it as I like their skill set for MBT's. There is the commander you unlock in the LAV-300 who seems to be a fire starter and there is the unlockable with the Sheridan that helps with ATGM's. Also Jingles didn't mention that Maximillian Koenig was only available by buying a Founder pack.
I know this is an old video, but I have to say Tanks Jingles. As a WoT Arty player, after patch 1.6 and all their un-announced arty nerfs, I uninstalled it. Tired of missing well aimed shots, not being able to see tracers, and missing shots by miles - this review just sold me signing up for Armoured Warfare. Keep up the great content!
when i played armoured warfare i saw this video come up in their news things on the front page once. that was the start of me watching jingles, leading to playing world of tanks and war thunder i am still playing today.
+muti2006 Indeed. The Gun Depression stat is maximum and minimum gun depression. Many tanks have a raised enginedeck, of particular interest in this is the M48 and M60, and the M1 line.
+Jonas Drøjdahl no it isn't, it's gun depression over the front and then rear of your tank respectively. There's a tool tip that tells you that when you hover over it in garage. I just wish they'd tell you the side gun depression too.
Please Jingles, Show us more Armored Warfare because there isn`t much information for beginners and thanks for the link to the blog and this great video which makes things much clearer !!!
I can tell you first hand that their customer support is top-notch. I fell in love with Obsidian there and then. I've played KOTOR 1 & 2 a long time ago, but I've only started to really appreciate them now.
They certainly are the first well-known, big production value company to enter the tank genre. I mean, the companies doing tank games before AW (pretty much just Gaijin and Wargamming) we're all dedicated to their tank games and have done very little in the way of other, broader projects. Additionally, its competitors supported their business via micro transactions, and this actually leads to a slower rate of profit than what Obsidian typically do with big releases of games. Think of it as a high-dpm gun vs a high alpha-dmg gun; with Wot and Warthunder, the company has to wait for a bit to accumulate a large sum of money in order to pay developers, marketing, etc to push out a new patch, whereas Obsidian released full games that sold thousands of units for $40-60 each, which enables them to make a bigger, more constant effort in developing their game. Add in the community of UA-camrs and Streamers playing the game in a public way, and their marketing team can take a break basically
NJP695 it might be more accurate to say 'successful online multiplayer tank games' because technically there were a fair number of tank games (some of which are very detailed, and are basically tank sim) before Wargaming even came up with World of Tanks... but most of them are single player games or not really designed for multiplayer or simple matches...
There is a misconception here: you don't get ATGM and Arty warning indicator for being targeted by them, you only get it, if the missile, or the arty shell leaves the barrel and already on it's way. And the "shit happens" thing is when you are in an MBT and you get an ATGM warning, since you are in a slower tank, you can't dodge ATGMs 80% of the time, if the AFV's driver is a living, thinking human being :D
Reaper that's why i said roughly 80%, i can dodge them as well, but most of the times it will hit you, no matter what you do (as mainly an Arty and AFV player, i see MBTs nice fat xp pinatas) xD
+Tamás Kerecsényi acually you see the arty and/or missile indicator if they are comming in your direction even if they are NOT aimed directly at you, many times a team mate next to me got nailed by a ATGM cuz it was aimed at him yet i also get the warning
This game is pretty much very lenient in terms of grinding as they've added so much items and consumable bonuses to speed up the process. I'm loving the Global Ops game mode so far as well.
Fantastic video, really well put together and thought out. I've played both "other tank games" for years and only now have I tried AW in the last few weeks. You did a great job of explaining some of the nuance involved in the mechanics and I like it! Looking forward to more content like this.
Jingles, I can tell you made this when you were about to go to sleep, because you made some errors. 1. The Sniper Bonus tank destroyers get in AW is based upon becoming fully-aimed. This applies to all ranges, not just long, although it does encourage long-range shooting because moving to avoid being shot in CQC obviously really screws up your aiming circle. 2. Tank commanders. There are at least two more tank commanders in game than you showed there, both of which are unlocked through reputation (experience) unlocks in certain tanks. The LAV-300 and M551 Sheridan are two vehicles you can do this in, at least, although I am unsure if there are others. (Mainly because I haven't checked yet. XD ) 3. In the Taifun game you keep saying AP when you're obviously using HEAT at several points. That might be a bit confusing and disingenuous to some people. 4. Speaking of ammo, you didn't quite explain the ammo types and target selection fully. HEAT rounds have larger damage ranges than AP rounds, for example, so they're worth taking a shot with if you're reasonably sure you'll penetrate. The back ends of MBTs are typically easier to pen with HEAT and ATGMs, which means flanking is important. AP rounds tend to do less damage overall than Shaped Charge ammo, but there's not only the overmatch mechanic to worry about, but as I mentioned they do less overall damage than SC even when they don't overmatch. So you tend to need to be very aware of the target you're shooting at and the armor it has so you can inflict maximum damage, or guarantee a penetration. 5. A much smaller nitpick here, but another thing MBTs have in common with WoT Heavy Tanks are their massive HP pools. Although I do agree you need to be fearless when driving MBTs in Armored Warfare. They're made to be the brawlers, the punchers, the designated idiots. That way the tank destroyers, light tanks, and AFVs can shoot the distracted enemies in the ass. Asshole MBT drivers who hide in the back to snipe need to stop playing MBTs and go grind the TD line, the wankers. Sorry to be a nitpicker, Jingles, but I don't want the rabid WoT fanboys to have anything to piss on AW with. Well, anything that AW doesn't deserve, anyway. And WoT fanboys, I did say "rabid". Namely the ones who want to just rip into AW for no other reason than it's a competitor. If you genuinely dislike it based on personal preference then fair 'nuff.
+Maddog3060 You must have been watching Jingles videos long enough to realise that the current background video isn't always directly related to his commentary :)
+Maddog3060 You are so wrong in a lot of things.. You say MBTs need to be fearless.. What do you say about the Leopard 1 through 1A5? Also, everyone knows that the T-64 all the way through the T-90 have bugged, paper thin armor that gets penned by anything. In fact the T-72 and T-72A are the only Tier 5 and 6 tanks that have their hull easily penetrated by anything, not requiring hits to the FLP or weakspots. The Leopard 1A5 being the only other tank that allows that to happen. Penetration in this game is also TERRIBLY inconsistent.
+Maddog3060 Here's someone who doesn't realise that MBTs in AW are made out of paper and WILL get penetrated if they go out and brawl. Most of them, anyway, especially under tier 7. Most MBTs do best in a static hull-down position.
Jingles, that has got to be the most educational and well put together video I have ever seen from you (I even picked up a few tips myself I never knew about).I have got to admit that since AW went into beta and we stopped losing our rank as in our tanks and having to start again, I have been to WOT twice for 5 minutes each time.Keep up the great work and thanks again
Just some minor corrections: - Sniper bonus happens when your gun is fully aimed, or mostly fully aimed. It doesn't matter how far your target is at, as long as you aim your gun it'll get the damage bonus (15% I think). Notice how your aim reticle changes slightly when you fully aim your gun, that's the indicator. - You can unlock various commanders throughout the tech tree. Most of them are at tier4 vehicles (LAV-300 TD, Sheridan LT, M109 and Gvosdika artilleries). The overall most useful commander are Sabrina (which u get at the start), and the 2 you get on tier4 arties.
Jingles dude you always pick the most fitting intro music to your series vids! Please don't ever change any them, it's how I know for sure it's a genuine Jingles production : D Keep up the great work m8 o>
Thank you Jingles, where I was preparing this same type of video, now I have to figure out what finer points to add and additional information to provide. Hmm...well as least you've given me a challenge.
+Dv8 I totally agree with that comment, very good vid and looking forward to more in that line for AW. Good show Jingles. I am enjoying AW so much that WOT hasn't had a look in since Open Beta started.
+Dv8 Random teams will allways suck in any games. And it dont help mutch that the AFV´s in Armored Warfare often belives that they shuld sit back and be snipers. That of course leaves the tanks nearly blind and they get shoot to pices without even being able to see the enemys that are shooting them. And then the AFV players starts to complain on the tanks beeing noobs since it is not THER fault that they are not doing what they shuld do. Like go ahead and scout. I made a Introduction about Armored Warfare on my channel a while ago. And i will make another one where i explain what evry class shuld do in the vain hope that someone actualy will get it. Seriusly when i get the award for doing the most spotting while driving a tank because the AFV´s hangs back in the rear beliving that they are snipers they clearly dont get what they realy shuld do. Is the game simmular to World of Tanks. Kinda. But as Jingles said, it is on purpose. And you sure dont have base building or guided missiles in World of Tanks. And i see both games as good in ther own ways.
Hey Jingles, considering the PVE element of AW, does that mean you may start playing with other streamers or streaming AW yourself, seeing as bots can't exactly stream snipe you. Best regards
That's a brilliant idea actually. Though if you don't have a big enough group of streamers, you could jump into a game where someone is trying to drop into the queue at the same time, and I'm sure if they did get into a game with a handful of streamers there wouldn't be a whole lot stopping them from trying to TK them because "oh my god it's , I must kill them"
NJP695 but the fact is you can regain health in PVE too with the health consumable, and 3v1 in the case it would have the potential TKer dealt with quite quickly, plus seeing as it' Jingles, I highly doubt he'd struggle to find 4 reliable people to play with ;)
thanks a lot. this was exactly what I tried to explain to other people who think "Armored warfare is just a bad copy of WoT....bla bla". I hope we see more Armored Jingles in the future.
+Mark Rogachevsky unfortunately you have to download a mod to get this information, instead of "right out of the box" with Armored Warfare. I believe the info that XVM has is also pulled from the WoT Wiki or something because I have noted some inaccuracies. I don't think it's pulling the info directly from the game.
Jingles you are great, I find when I first open youtube your channel is the first I check for uploads. Very informative, I feel I can just sit back and watch for 30 minutes with no fuss and be just that much smarter after. Keep up the good work jingle bells.
I really found this video valuable. I was in as soon as AW went to open beta. I can't tell you ghow many times I've been blown up trying to get that sidescraping to work reliably. Great video Sir Gnome and much apreciated!
Thanks. Made me interested in AW enough to give it a try. WoT wasn't really my thing. AW looks to be a good mix between WoT and War Thunder in terms of damage model complexity.
Agreed. AW places more emphasis on ammo type vs armor type than Warthunder, of course because WWII tanks had very few ammo/armor types than modern tanks, but Warthunder certainly goes more realistic with what happens when a shell hits and penetrates, modeling fragmentation and penetration most accurately, with long repair times that could easily keep you crippled for a long time
+Jonathan Davi yea i got a kick out of that also since the economy is so fucked up in this game you need a premium vehicle/ premium account and all of your free time must be dedicated to this game to get above t3.... i knew this was gonna be a cash grab when i saw my.com and sure enough... makes WG/gaijin economies look amazing.. who would have guessed that...
+Jaw Shh It does have the lowest conversion cost for everything and also the cheapest premium costs, but grinding away from tier 4 without premium IS a pain, and grinding out of tier 5 is going to be your worst experiencie.
Jonathan Davi you just described why AW wont be getting anything from me until that changes. and cheap premium stuff doesnt mean alot to me in a game like WOT/AW In warthunder you could grind out an entire nation with a t4 premium. but in this game it means nothing unless you are willing to spend hundreds on conversion costs..
Reaper lol you mean closed alpha testing you need to pay for? lol... they were clearly so interested in making a good game rather than getting 20$ out of you...
"And on that bombshell" Oh, how I miss Jeremy, James and Hammond. I really, really hope that Netflix, or someone, picks those guys up to continue the not "Top Gear UK" TV show.
I joined WOT because I wanted a ww2 german tiger, realised when I got it that it was a grind and I was shite at the game, so I stopped playing wot and got AW simply because challenger 2, and I have never ragequitted AW either so that's good
Not sure if you'll see this Jingles but I sent you a replay of someone trolling me on WoWs and being a general douche bag check your email for replay I was in my Fuso.
Sniper bonus isn't for long range shots jingles ^_^ it is for being fully locked in fyi. There is also another 4 commanders available through research on certain vehicles.
Just to clarify something on ERA at 21:18, the Ramka-99's side and front armor (and the T-90's front hull armor) is covered in special Kontakt-5 ERA which does offer protection against Kinetic Energy (KE) penetrators. Kontakt-5 ERA gives protection against KE penetrators by literally shearing the penetrator in half. Normal ERA (such as on the T-72A, M1A1 TUSK kit, Bradley applique, BMP-3 ERA+Spaced armor cage, etc) does NOT offer extra protection against armor piercing shells, and only gives a massive bonus to protection against shaped charges.
Hahaha. Hold on, oh man, you're so funny. Lol. For a second there I thought you said the best way to destroy a tank ISN'T shooting a hatch or view port. Lol. Hahaha. But of course that's crazy. History shows us that 90 percent of the tanks destroyed in direct action were taken out by having a hatch blown off. You see, when the hatch is blown off, it creates a tremendous vacuum, and the crew is sucked out into space. This is basic science people.
Indeed. We all know from playing World of Tanks that if you shoot the lead drive wheel of a tank the tracks come off, sending the crew into a full panic that consumes them until they either abandon the tank or scuttle it with self-destruct explosives, taking the their lives along with the tank as to never have the dishonor of truly losing to an enemy combatant. This is just basic war doctrine, people
Excellent video +The Mighty Jingles, but if anything this has pushed me more toward sticking with WOT, because: 1) Crew perks such as 6th sense, eagle eye should be earned by experience, rather than given automatically, unless AW is giving them for a technological reason - targeting alarms etc. 2) Crew skills seem absurdly powerful - 10% and 20% bonuses - is this geared toward faster advancement to lure players in with faster access to more powerful vehicles? 3) Armour types and effectiveness vs ammo types - yeah, because WOT players are so good at firing the most appropriate ammo type, right?! Great for pros getting that extra few %, largely irrelevant for the average and below average player (vast majority of the player base). 4) MBT armour and side-scraping degradation - surely this convention in tank armour was brought on by the tank brigade training to form a firing line, multiple tanks across, all exposing front armour only and covered by the tanks to either side. So players who cooperate and work together will be fine....do we see the problem there? Great for highly coordinated clans, a real weakness for the average and below average random gamer. 5) Arty being spotted every time they fire - why? Arty is very rarely a nuke in WOT against attentive players, but good arty players can cause consistently significant damage - as they should be able to. Being lit up every time they fire is just pandering to the inattentive players who ignored the threat of arty and paid the price. I like what AW has done with lower damage, higher accuracy and rate of fire, but being exposed every time they fire seems unreasonable. All in all, independently of WOT, AW looks like a really good game. But comparing the two, I still feel like WOT is superior for the average player. Of course we're comparing a mature game with one in beta, but with what we have to go on, that's how it currently feels.
+Adam Bennett YOu should really try AW for example that Arty mechanism works really good and if you are a good player it doesnt even bother you because you can easily avoid counter arty!
+Adriano AWZ As an WoT TD and Arty player (I dont play other classes except for cheap laugh). I can not understand why players need warning about arty? Even in WoT it is #¤%& hard to hit what you aim as arty. In AW they seem to have increased arty accuracy but destroyed its dmg making it basicly long-range scout tank :/ Why do I need to suffer from incompetence of other players? Because shitty ones whine about getting hit!! Should it not be clear for players that if they are spotted arty might aim at them? Also what kind of nation/army uses arty that has less pen/dmg than H-tank?
Sami Systa Sorry man but you are just a scumbag in WoT only playing Arty and TDs... You cant really evaluate the game completly because you play that kind of gameplay that is not balanced and which AW wants to avoid!
Adriano AWZ "Sorry man but you are just a scumbag in WoT only playing Arty and TDs..." SO are you one of those guys who cry when you get shot while crossing open terrain and TD kills you? If you are blame yourself. I do agree that WoTs TD and Arty system is little un-balanced but good players dont ave too much problem with those. Tell me what is "balanced" in your eyes. I am fine with AW style of shoot-and-get-spotted system but that I have problem is that "I know what they are thinking from X km/miles away". Same way I have problem with sixth sense in WoT and AW but that I can stomach in order to make game fair
How not to suck, and you went dull derp on that video... At the hard Coop battle you are firing HEAT and saying that you are firing AP. Check out somewhere around 25th minuteof video :) That's why you weren't penetrating, ERA doesn't affect AP penetration :)
I started to play WoT because of Historical WW2 tanks, that's why the tiers I enjoy the most are from V to VIII. I have no interest in modern tanks really, so I don't care about AW.
+Danox94 Wouldn't you be better off playing Warthunder Ground Forces then? It seems they are somewhat more historical and realistic (don't quote me on that, haven't played GF, 'cause my computer can't handle it).
+Sólyom Csaba -- A word of advice. *Don't* play Ground Forces. *Just don't*. I mean, sure, go for it if you really like your Soviet tanks. Because at tier/battle-rating 3 the Soviet tanks just get overpowered. T-34s. The T-34s just don't die. I uninstalled the whole game out of disgust yesterday. I shot at a T-34 to the side three times consecutively, hitting fuel tank and ammo rack. No effect. The T-34 swings the turret around and penetrates me frontally with a half-aimed shot and destroys every component in my tank from a frontal penetration. I tried M4 Shermans, Jumbos, Panzer IV F2s. No effect. The only matches I won were the ones where we had Soviet tanks on our team, which was when I was playing American tanks. So that's 2 matches out of 30 matches. You can imagine how fun that was. TLDR; Groundforces is very much fucking broken at this moment and time. Don't play it.
AzureTemplar Unfortunately I'm not really surprised to hear that. Gaijin has been consistently delivering terrible with balancing and for some freaking reason ui design. That's why I stopped playing, and the fact that the performance just kept getting worse. A year or so ago I could play air battles with reasonable fps, after gf was released I can barely brake 20 fps. It just went to hell.
Danox94 -- And balance. In WoT, sure USSR tanks may do more damage but there are always drawbacks. Long reload, long aim time. I'd argue that maybe the tier X mediums on the USSR tree are a bit on the powerful side but they're nothing one can't handle if you know what you're doing. In Warthunder it doesn't matter if you know what you're doing, because you just get overpowered by Stronk Tenks made of Stalinium. It's just plain ol' bias. And don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. ***** -- I'm sorry to hear that... Have you found any other flight games worthy of mentioning? It's a huge shame because I really started to get into the air-battles, too, but ... the very thought of spending time on a game that has that broken mechanics on some parts just pushes me away from it. I can't return to Warthunder, not even for the air combat.
Is it that info page in the garage? I know you can look that kinda info up with a quick search in the WoT Wikia page, but I didn't know soft stats would show up in the garage
+Cheeki Breeki Well, it's hardly surprising really, history is replete with companies that have coasted on the profits of their success due to lack of competition. Bring in said competition and watch as WG's development ethic takes a turn for the better. Calling it now ;) AW also benefits from 4 years of development in WoT, they can instantly see what works and what doesn't with less work for themselves. Add in their own stuff and expand on what WoT has done right and you have a title that looks far better than it's predecessor. That is one reason why I refuse to say that AW is better than WoT and vice versa. Time will tell whether AW success and exceeds, either way it'll good for the genre and the industry.
A very comprehensive, yet concise, video regarding something I know nothing about. I'm glad I came across this, you sir have saved me at least a week of being the bane of my team. Thank you for dedicating your time to making this possible.
This is a great guide to the differences in mechanics. The M-113 Vs T-62 scenario reminds me of something from the stress test. T-64s are scary when you are in a T-54. Glad I had a shot at his side.
Thank you Jingles for elaborating on some of the features of AW vs WoT, I really helped me out since AW doesn't explain some things very well, I assume it is because it's still in beta. Love your channel!
about time jingles, I've been waiting for this video for far too long. A Lot of these thing you talked about i have to learned the hard way in Armored Warfare but some of these are just new life saver. I mean i've been side scraping in all of my MBT and paid the price.. you know, things like that. So great video, thank you and keep up the good work.
Jingles, composite armour isn't some kind of magical defence barrier against HEAT (or similar) ammo. If you know where to shoot, you'll still easily punch through. Like with that BMP-3 at 25:30. The upper glacis plate is clearly not covered by ERA. And it might be composite, but it's wafer-thin compared to other tanks. So shaped charge ammo will still /easily/ punch straight through that.
Jingles, you also can add outgoing and received damage for your tank within the AW UI. And you can move them to where you want them without mods. I don't know if WOT can do this as I have never tried it but I was impressed that AW thought about this feature. Thanks for the guide. I learned a few new things.
Don't forget the AFVs get a spotting range bonus for being stationary on top of the best camo values, so theyre incredibly dangerous in the form of getting MBTs attempting to attack shot by invisible tanks. And yes, the best two overall commanders are unlocked on the tier 4 arties. Another big change is unlocking the equipment to put on tanks, how equipment is non-transferrable, and increases in cost drastically with tier.
Accually Jingles, regarding gun depression: the first number is for over the front of your tank and the second is for over the back of your tank. In the leopard 1 senario, depression over front is ´-9 and the back/over the engine deck is 2.5, so your gun can only shoot up if you for some reason is pointing your back at enemies. .... Jingles?
Funny side note, in the EA stages someone called my BMP3 with the ERA packs a "Claymore" because he was using a Starship and none of his shots did any damage since my whole tank was covered in ERA panels, even on the lower frontal plate and the upper plate is angled ant a high degre bouncing incoming fire.
@Jingles Another HUGE difference in AW compared to WoT is when you spend XP on upgrading modules on a tank it DOES NOT subtract from the progression towards the next tank like WoT does so you can buy upgrades without fear of having to spend longer than you want in a vehicle.
Really great video with a ton of information! I like that you point out the real differences between WoT and AW. And also mention the Armoredtalk Blog, which is really great. Perhaps it would be fair to make a video about the things that AW doesn't do so well as WoT or the things that need perhaps a bit of improvement.
Great vid MJ...as usual very informative and something even hardcore AW players, yes those with the "A" decal on their tanks, should watch. I have been head over heels for this game since Alpha, and yes I have proudly slapped the "A" decals on all my tanks, and have learned a lot from it.
The greatest shake-my-head moment I've had in AW so far involved a guy demanding "no cap, kill all" in a PvE capture mission, and backing it up with his gun. As far as I can tell, there is no "all" in that kind of mission; the bots keep spawning until the players either cap, all die, or run out of time. I bailed on that mission before he could TK me; I like to imagine that he's still there, weeks later, raging in chat about the other team's obvious hax as the 19,453th PT-76 trundles over the hill. (I know he can't be, but it's a pleasing image.) It's a great game, but one might be so bold as to wish it didn't appeal to World of Tanks players QUITE so readily. :)
So you were recording when i met that suspicious Henriksen nickname, recognizing and greeting you in chat . I was waiting to see that match on youtube. Unfortunately i was distracted that i finally met you ingame and i played like crap. :-P Good video mr Jingles, keep that good work up! Effingson
So Jingles, you're gonna have to go and redo this video later because the upcoming patch introduces buffs to side-scraping as well as many other changes. It's so nice that Obsidian actually went into a lot of detail why they changed vehicles instead of just listing buffs/nerfs.
Jingles those are awesome videos. You made me a better player at world of tanks and I could carry this over to armored warfare. You taught me to angle the armor shooting at weakspots etc. Thanks for these videos keep up the great work.
I think the most interesting thing that Armored Warfare taught me about tank history was that at some point during the early arms races of the Cold War, when the missile was developed and it became portable and practical for use in regional conflict, there was somewhat of a period of ideological uncertainty; easily noted with tanks like the XM551 Sheridan and the M60e4 (I think that's the name), no one was sure if missiles marked the end of cannons and shells. Also evident in the history of the fighter jet the F-4 Phantom, it wasn't clear if the development of the missile marked the end of cannons firing shells, and given all the different types, sizes, and calibers of shells, if the paradigm shift did in fact go towards skirmishes fought with guided missiles it was cheaper to outfit tanks with universal launching tubes of cannons than picking/choosing a gun and paying out the factory lines to supply the ammunition. Obviously, that wasn't the case, but it wasn't before. EDUCATION!
Juan Carlos Miramon is an absolutely fantastic commander for MBTs, and you get him off of the Gvosdika artillery piece, if I remember correctly. The commander gotten from the M109 (Freja Hojbjerg) is also great for autocannon-armed vehicles. Just throwing this out here for anyone wanting to know o7 Also, that cannon depression stat is over the front and rear of the tank, rather than actual depression and elevation.
Jingles, Armored warfare made this video a basic guide to their game!! im sure you must already know but it was surprising to me when i started the launcher and found a section made for you and this video on 11/03/2015--18:31 among the top topics
Jingles, you need to add in the Damage panels! Go into settings, go to Hit Details, and uncheck the two boxes! Now you have two boxes that give you how much damage you're doing to what, and receiving damage and from what. It's really helpful.
Most informative video sir. I am loving AW since it became available. Not played wot since and will not be playing it again. This game is just so much better and AW is not trying to take every cent from my pocket.
Forgot to explain what those small circular bars around your tank model on the UI mean, under the camo talk. Those circular bars tell you how much approximate concealing you are getting from the general direction they are at. If you got a bar on the right side of your tank and nothing on the front then you probably have a bush or something nearby providing a camo bonus to anything looking at your direction from that side. The more bars you have, the better concealed you are. Also, those bars go from grey to white, that's going from poor camo bonus to big camo bonus respectivelly (think of it like different bush density providing different bonus levels like in WoT); though usually if it's a bright white bar then it means you are being obstructed by a rock, wall or bump and nothing can spot you through that way unless it is a proxy spotting much like in WoT
Jingles at around 13:25 when you talk about the depression, first number is gun depression in the front, the other one is over the back of your vehicle, that why the Leopard 1 shows +2.5° because the gun has to be elevated over the engine deck.
One thing you missed was that the experience earned on a tank doesn't get reduced towards your next tank when purchasing modules, I think this is great because it doesn't slow down your progress towards the next tank just because you have spent the xp on a new gun etc.
Jingles! You forgot about the Infantry bonuses the IFVs get! While they aren't modeled, the effects are. When you stop for more than... 6 seconds I think? It's assumed the infantry get out and set up an observation post, giving you a spotting range bonus. And when capturing a zone parking the vehicle lets the troops get out and secure the area giving a boost to capture rate. An IFV with the Retrofits to increase cap rate capture almost as fast as 2 normal vehicles! They've become my favorite class. I was really worried they'd suck because they have all this space and tonnage dedicated to troops, which I didn't expect to be modeled. But they are, and get some fun bonuses in certain situations as a result.
You forgot the HERA aka High Explosive Rocket Assisted, which the M109 guys fire, flying rather quick and massively ranged also posibly penetrating the roof of your tank, which will take out your crew and modules so fast, you´ll need the spare parts kit to repair.
Jingles. There are more than the 5 commanders you have, they are in the various trees. I've heard the commander's available in each of the 2 artilery tree's are the best commanders for main battle tanks. As always keep up the great video's.
Totally didn't just fan boy after realising I had appeared in one of Jingle's videos. I did wonder why the friendly arty had been super helpful and dropped smoke on me. Thanks for the cover Jingles.
I was dissatisfied with WoT mostly because of the era of hardware it offered. I wanted modern material. This video, however, enlightened me to many other differences between AW and WoT, and I'm pleased with all of them. Thank goodness for competition.
you can angle your MBT armor in AW but its more a 1-2° angle, wait till the enemy shots pull further back fire and then get your front back into cover again
Its funny that you mention the over penetration mechanic in this game versus WoT because yesterday I was playing with a friend, and I fired a shell from my Jagdtiger's long 128 at a T54E1. The shell, of course, penetrated the hull at a slight angle because he was at the top of a hill. My friend then said that he actually saw my shell exit out the other side of the tank. In Armored Warfare, that wouldn't have been a full damage hit, but it of course was in WoT and really, if you think about it, I should have done more than just HP damage to him. The shell penned in the tank's right of the lower glacis, and then - I presume - exited out of the top of the engine deck, just behind the turret. The crew and module damage that would have actually done would be damn near crippling.
Free garage slot no stress to grind all the way modern tank . I play war thunder when i get tired of war thunder i go to Armored warfare to chill in my tank my goal is not to get the best tanks most tanks can be fun in armored warfare unlike world of tanks and war thunder thought i am addicted to warthunder i like armored warfare more than worlds of tanks
AW also has free garage slots... so collect all the tanks you want!
Oh , i didn't know.
Thanks.
You just have to love capitalism when it works; competition leads to better products.
Hopefully this game lights a fire under Gaijin and Wargaming.
+Jesper O (RaDeus)
Gaijin will probably just block AW on twitter and hope it works out. lol.
+Jesper O (RaDeus) Oh yes. I'd so much like to *enjoy* playing artillery again.
+Jesper O (RaDeus) Gaijin is a joke. They subscribe to the old Soviet adage: "If you tell people something does not exist they will believe you"
+Jesper O (RaDeus) While I GENERALLY agree with your comment, I can't avoid the irony in talking about capitalism when the first game to defy RUSSIAN hegemony in making tank games took 15 years to be released...
+Sagramorbald Russia is capitalist since 91 you know....
The sniper bonus only happens when you're fully aimed with the TD. Range has nothing to do with it.
+Ileko Ile True. But, you know... "I'm old and crap"
+Ileko Ile Oh, that makes much more sense, thank you.
+Ileko Ile What he said. You are encouraged to stop and aim in TDs rather than fire on the move. That sniper bonus is 25%.
Also it does show gun elevation and depression angles if you hover your mouse over the tank in the garage
***** I deserve to be killed for correcting him? Would you rather have people be misinformed?
11:50 Jingles, there are far more than just 5 commanders in the game. You can unlock them through other vehicles, like the M109, Gvosdika, LAV-300 etc. Also Freja is probably the best commander for MBT's.
Jingles?...
Well...having a bullet proof vest didn't work, so here. Take this bunker I made. Also comes with NBC protection and a door that has a DNA scan keyed to you only.
Maybe that'll stop the shotguns. Now hope.
+The Hungry Wolf 足柄 Freja is not the best MBT commander, Juan and Freja have basically the same skillset. 4 of the skills are the same, the 5th skill is different, Juan gets 15% acceleration after you shoot for 10 seconds. Freja gets increased crew damage by 50% after you break a module.
+The Hungry Wolf 足柄 Indeed, I used rep to get the starting arty to 50%, without buying it and playing it, to unlock those commanders. I found that feature to be well worth it as I like their skill set for MBT's. There is the commander you unlock in the LAV-300 who seems to be a fire starter and there is the unlockable with the Sheridan that helps with ATGM's. Also Jingles didn't mention that Maximillian Koenig was only available by buying a Founder pack.
+The Hungry Wolf 足柄 Yes the others are unlocked from other tanks, 2 of Jingles commanders are from Founders Packs and normal players wont get them
+The Hungry Wolf 足柄 not only that he says hes shooting at a BMTP while its acually a BMOP ^^ so jingles is just being jingles here :P
There is a lot more ammo types :p
This game is a lot more thought out and developed than World of Tanks ..and it's still in beta.
I know this is an old video, but I have to say Tanks Jingles. As a WoT Arty player, after patch 1.6 and all their un-announced arty nerfs, I uninstalled it. Tired of missing well aimed shots, not being able to see tracers, and missing shots by miles - this review just sold me signing up for Armoured Warfare. Keep up the great content!
"But I am firing AP" - has HEAT loaded 24:50
+Jonas Kern And shows that composite armor can still be penetrated by HEAT...
+Jonas Kern And keeps firing round after round of HEAT to prove he ain't overmatching...
"Actually- .... Jingles?"
/shotgun/
+Jonas Kern kek
when i played armoured warfare i saw this video come up in their news things on the front page once. that was the start of me watching jingles, leading to playing world of tanks and war thunder i am still playing today.
That 2.5 degrees in the leo is the rear gun depression.
+muti2006 Indeed. The Gun Depression stat is maximum and minimum gun depression. Many tanks have a raised enginedeck, of particular interest in this is the M48 and M60, and the M1 line.
+muti2006 jingles need to see this! Rate this up!!
+Jonas Drøjdahl no it isn't, it's gun depression over the front and then rear of your tank respectively. There's a tool tip that tells you that when you hover over it in garage. I just wish they'd tell you the side gun depression too.
Please Jingles, Show us more Armored Warfare because there isn`t much information for beginners and thanks for the link to the blog and this great video which makes things much clearer !!!
40 long minute video, have to be at work in 20 minutes. I think I'm going to be late for work,
You basically can tell what kind of strength Obsidian has (even if you didn't know their previous games) when you look at Armored Warfare...
I can tell you first hand that their customer support is top-notch. I fell in love with Obsidian there and then. I've played KOTOR 1 & 2 a long time ago, but I've only started to really appreciate them now.
They certainly are the first well-known, big production value company to enter the tank genre. I mean, the companies doing tank games before AW (pretty much just Gaijin and Wargamming) we're all dedicated to their tank games and have done very little in the way of other, broader projects. Additionally, its competitors supported their business via micro transactions, and this actually leads to a slower rate of profit than what Obsidian typically do with big releases of games. Think of it as a high-dpm gun vs a high alpha-dmg gun; with Wot and Warthunder, the company has to wait for a bit to accumulate a large sum of money in order to pay developers, marketing, etc to push out a new patch, whereas Obsidian released full games that sold thousands of units for $40-60 each, which enables them to make a bigger, more constant effort in developing their game. Add in the community of UA-camrs and Streamers playing the game in a public way, and their marketing team can take a break basically
NJP695 it might be more accurate to say 'successful online multiplayer tank games'
because technically there were a fair number of tank games (some of which are very detailed, and are basically tank sim) before Wargaming even came up with World of Tanks...
but most of them are single player games or not really designed for multiplayer or simple matches...
+Iono Sama (IonoTheFanatic) indeed. Massively multiplayed online competitive rpg tank games would be all of the associated terms
There is a misconception here: you don't get ATGM and Arty warning indicator for being targeted by them, you only get it, if the missile, or the arty shell leaves the barrel and already on it's way. And the "shit happens" thing is when you are in an MBT and you get an ATGM warning, since you are in a slower tank, you can't dodge ATGMs 80% of the time, if the AFV's driver is a living, thinking human being :D
+Tamás Kerecsényi MBT are not slow.
Maki Makic i hope you understand what "slower" means
"Actually- .... Jingles?"
/shotgun/
Reaper that's why i said roughly 80%, i can dodge them as well, but most of the times it will hit you, no matter what you do (as mainly an Arty and AFV player, i see MBTs nice fat xp pinatas) xD
+Tamás Kerecsényi acually you see the arty and/or missile indicator if they are comming in your direction even if they are NOT aimed directly at you, many times a team mate next to me got nailed by a ATGM cuz it was aimed at him yet i also get the warning
This game is pretty much very lenient in terms of grinding as they've added so much items and consumable bonuses to speed up the process. I'm loving the Global Ops game mode so far as well.
It's just a nice change of pace for those of us who admire modern tanks as well.
I agree, i love my xm1 and my t14 those things are amazing and i wouldnt be able to do this in world of tanks for example
Fantastic video, really well put together and thought out. I've played both "other tank games" for years and only now have I tried AW in the last few weeks. You did a great job of explaining some of the nuance involved in the mechanics and I like it! Looking forward to more content like this.
Jingles, I can tell you made this when you were about to go to sleep, because you made some errors.
1. The Sniper Bonus tank destroyers get in AW is based upon becoming fully-aimed. This applies to all ranges, not just long, although it does encourage long-range shooting because moving to avoid being shot in CQC obviously really screws up your aiming circle.
2. Tank commanders. There are at least two more tank commanders in game than you showed there, both of which are unlocked through reputation (experience) unlocks in certain tanks. The LAV-300 and M551 Sheridan are two vehicles you can do this in, at least, although I am unsure if there are others. (Mainly because I haven't checked yet. XD )
3. In the Taifun game you keep saying AP when you're obviously using HEAT at several points. That might be a bit confusing and disingenuous to some people.
4. Speaking of ammo, you didn't quite explain the ammo types and target selection fully. HEAT rounds have larger damage ranges than AP rounds, for example, so they're worth taking a shot with if you're reasonably sure you'll penetrate. The back ends of MBTs are typically easier to pen with HEAT and ATGMs, which means flanking is important. AP rounds tend to do less damage overall than Shaped Charge ammo, but there's not only the overmatch mechanic to worry about, but as I mentioned they do less overall damage than SC even when they don't overmatch. So you tend to need to be very aware of the target you're shooting at and the armor it has so you can inflict maximum damage, or guarantee a penetration.
5. A much smaller nitpick here, but another thing MBTs have in common with WoT Heavy Tanks are their massive HP pools. Although I do agree you need to be fearless when driving MBTs in Armored Warfare. They're made to be the brawlers, the punchers, the designated idiots. That way the tank destroyers, light tanks, and AFVs can shoot the distracted enemies in the ass. Asshole MBT drivers who hide in the back to snipe need to stop playing MBTs and go grind the TD line, the wankers.
Sorry to be a nitpicker, Jingles, but I don't want the rabid WoT fanboys to have anything to piss on AW with. Well, anything that AW doesn't deserve, anyway.
And WoT fanboys, I did say "rabid". Namely the ones who want to just rip into AW for no other reason than it's a competitor. If you genuinely dislike it based on personal preference then fair 'nuff.
+Maddog3060 You must have been watching Jingles videos long enough to realise that the current background video isn't always directly related to his commentary :)
+Maddog3060 You are so wrong in a lot of things..
You say MBTs need to be fearless.. What do you say about the Leopard 1 through 1A5?
Also, everyone knows that the T-64 all the way through the T-90 have bugged, paper thin armor that gets penned by anything. In fact the T-72 and T-72A are the only Tier 5 and 6 tanks that have their hull easily penetrated by anything, not requiring hits to the FLP or weakspots. The Leopard 1A5 being the only other tank that allows that to happen.
Penetration in this game is also TERRIBLY inconsistent.
"Actually-... Jingles?"
/shotgun/
+Reaper T-72 and T-72A have paper thin hull armor too. There will be not a single player in the game that wont tell you that.
+Maddog3060 Here's someone who doesn't realise that MBTs in AW are made out of paper and WILL get penetrated if they go out and brawl. Most of them, anyway, especially under tier 7. Most MBTs do best in a static hull-down position.
Jingles, that has got to be the most educational and well put together video I have ever seen from you (I even picked up a few tips myself I never knew about).I have got to admit that since AW went into beta and we stopped losing our rank as in our tanks and having to start again, I have been to WOT twice for 5 minutes each time.Keep up the great work and thanks again
Just some minor corrections:
- Sniper bonus happens when your gun is fully aimed, or mostly fully aimed. It doesn't matter how far your target is at, as long as you aim your gun it'll get the damage bonus (15% I think). Notice how your aim reticle changes slightly when you fully aim your gun, that's the indicator.
- You can unlock various commanders throughout the tech tree. Most of them are at tier4 vehicles (LAV-300 TD, Sheridan LT, M109 and Gvosdika artilleries). The overall most useful commander are Sabrina (which u get at the start), and the 2 you get on tier4 arties.
*shotgun clicks*
Jingles dude you always pick the most fitting intro music to your series vids! Please don't ever change any them, it's how I know for sure it's a genuine Jingles production : D Keep up the great work m8 o>
Thank you Jingles, where I was preparing this same type of video, now I have to figure out what finer points to add and additional information to provide. Hmm...well as least you've given me a challenge.
Great video! More content like this would be great. :)
+Dv8 I totally agree with that comment, very good vid and looking forward to more in that line for AW. Good show Jingles. I am enjoying AW so much that WOT hasn't had a look in since Open Beta started.
+Dv8 I agree to the fullest!
+Dv8 Random teams will allways suck in any games. And it dont help mutch that the AFV´s in Armored Warfare often belives that they shuld sit back and be snipers. That of course leaves the tanks nearly blind and they get shoot to pices without even being able to see the enemys that are shooting them. And then the AFV players starts to complain on the tanks beeing noobs since it is not THER fault that they are not doing what they shuld do. Like go ahead and scout.
I made a Introduction about Armored Warfare on my channel a while ago. And i will make another one where i explain what evry class shuld do in the vain hope that someone actualy will get it.
Seriusly when i get the award for doing the most spotting while driving a tank because the AFV´s hangs back in the rear beliving that they are snipers they clearly dont get what they realy shuld do.
Is the game simmular to World of Tanks. Kinda. But as Jingles said, it is on purpose. And you sure dont have base building or guided missiles in World of Tanks. And i see both games as good in ther own ways.
+Dv8 HELL YES!!!! Thanks Jingles
+Dv8 That's some nice tutorial, I say! Thanks Jingles!
Hey Jingles, considering the PVE element of AW, does that mean you may start playing with other streamers or streaming AW yourself, seeing as bots can't exactly stream snipe you. Best regards
+Billy Warren Good question, I'd also like to know the answer to that.
That's a brilliant idea actually. Though if you don't have a big enough group of streamers, you could jump into a game where someone is trying to drop into the queue at the same time, and I'm sure if they did get into a game with a handful of streamers there wouldn't be a whole lot stopping them from trying to TK them because "oh my god it's , I must kill them"
NJP695 but the fact is you can regain health in PVE too with the health consumable, and 3v1 in the case it would have the potential TKer dealt with quite quickly, plus seeing as it' Jingles, I highly doubt he'd struggle to find 4 reliable people to play with ;)
+Billy Warren considering how painfully boring pve missions are it doesnt seem like great content.
Jaw Shh you make them interesting ;)
thanks a lot.
this was exactly what I tried to explain to other people who think "Armored warfare is just a bad copy of WoT....bla bla".
I hope we see more Armored Jingles in the future.
Jingles,if you have XVM,all the 'hidden' stats are shown. You have gun elevation/depression,camo rating,actual reload time and all of that fun stuff.
+Mark Rogachevsky unfortunately you have to download a mod to get this information, instead of "right out of the box" with Armored Warfare. I believe the info that XVM has is also pulled from the WoT Wiki or something because I have noted some inaccuracies. I don't think it's pulling the info directly from the game.
Jingles you are great, I find when I first open youtube your channel is the first I check for uploads. Very informative, I feel I can just sit back and watch for 30 minutes with no fuss and be just that much smarter after. Keep up the good work jingle bells.
Jingles, you should play more AW :P get higher tiers.
The cod game? Lol
+Bajan_Other_Canadian Armoured Warfare = AW
+Ymir its all advanced (>_0)
+Gage Wicks he hasn't got the time
+THEVibeVictorians lol use a brain thats what AW is!
I really found this video valuable. I was in as soon as AW went to open beta. I can't tell you ghow many times I've been blown up trying to get that sidescraping to work reliably. Great video Sir Gnome and much apreciated!
Halle Berry as the commander?
+Hafiz Ahmad Halle Berry? Really? All I see is Jennifer Lopez... :)
+Roger Mischke Jennifer Lopez's big fat ass would not fit thru the hatch!!
+joe thomas But i'd like to see her try ;)
+joe thomas she does have a very nice ass, which could serve a better purpose tbh
+Hafiz Ahmad I have Scarlett Johansson as my gunner... or driver. It depends on the tank.
Jingles, Thank you for doing this video. This is the type of information I do enjoy in the work you have done over the years.
Thanks. Made me interested in AW enough to give it a try. WoT wasn't really my thing. AW looks to be a good mix between WoT and War Thunder in terms of damage model complexity.
Agreed. AW places more emphasis on ammo type vs armor type than Warthunder, of course because WWII tanks had very few ammo/armor types than modern tanks, but Warthunder certainly goes more realistic with what happens when a shell hits and penetrates, modeling fragmentation and penetration most accurately, with long repair times that could easily keep you crippled for a long time
Well with the new introduction of T6 (although it's boring as hell to play and unbalanced) ERA and composite armor has come to WT as well.
Thank you for this Jingles... Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. The WOT guys have needed this so bad for so long now. Cheers.
I dont like how jingles tells "you havent played anything beyond tier 3" but only has tier 6 premiums...
+Reaper which is a tier 4, wow, a tier ahead..
+Jonathan Davi yea i got a kick out of that also since the economy is so fucked up in this game you need a premium vehicle/ premium account and all of your free time must be dedicated to this game to get above t3.... i knew this was gonna be a cash grab when i saw my.com and sure enough... makes WG/gaijin economies look amazing.. who would have guessed that...
+Jaw Shh It does have the lowest conversion cost for everything and also the cheapest premium costs, but grinding away from tier 4 without premium IS a pain, and grinding out of tier 5 is going to be your worst experiencie.
Jonathan Davi you just described why AW wont be getting anything from me until that changes. and cheap premium stuff doesnt mean alot to me in a game like WOT/AW
In warthunder you could grind out an entire nation with a t4 premium. but in this game it means nothing unless you are willing to spend hundreds on conversion costs..
Reaper lol you mean closed alpha testing you need to pay for? lol... they were clearly so interested in making a good game rather than getting 20$ out of you...
"And on that bombshell" Oh, how I miss Jeremy, James and Hammond. I really, really hope that Netflix, or someone, picks those guys up to continue the not "Top Gear UK" TV show.
Love these video's Jingles, amazing work!!
+Games&Greenz I agree!!
+Games&Greenz Me too!
+KGames Playing Games and Smoking WEED on my channel please check it out:)
+Games&Greenz Nice I love Weed!!!!
I joined WOT because I wanted a ww2 german tiger, realised when I got it that it was a grind and I was shite at the game, so I stopped playing wot and got AW simply because challenger 2, and I have never ragequitted AW either so that's good
Not sure if you'll see this Jingles but I sent you a replay of someone trolling me on WoWs and being a general douche bag check your email for replay I was in my Fuso.
Sniper bonus isn't for long range shots jingles ^_^ it is for being fully locked in fyi. There is also another 4 commanders available through research on certain vehicles.
Eating chocolate covered waffle balls while watching Jingles' video. What could be better?
+Ville Lepoaho Eating chocolate covered waffle balls while watching Jingles' video surrounded by naked women
+Ville Lepoaho Getting a job Hahaha!!
+Ville Lepoaho eating bacon wrapped scallops while playing fallout 4
SamuraiPie8111 it would appear that judging by your picture you should chose a healthier alternative.
***** google robert zdar
Just to clarify something on ERA at 21:18, the Ramka-99's side and front armor (and the T-90's front hull armor) is covered in special Kontakt-5 ERA which does offer protection against Kinetic Energy (KE) penetrators. Kontakt-5 ERA gives protection against KE penetrators by literally shearing the penetrator in half. Normal ERA (such as on the T-72A, M1A1 TUSK kit, Bradley applique, BMP-3 ERA+Spaced armor cage, etc) does NOT offer extra protection against armor piercing shells, and only gives a massive bonus to protection against shaped charges.
Hahaha. Hold on, oh man, you're so funny. Lol. For a second there I thought you said the best way to destroy a tank ISN'T shooting a hatch or view port. Lol. Hahaha. But of course that's crazy. History shows us that 90 percent of the tanks destroyed in direct action were taken out by having a hatch blown off. You see, when the hatch is blown off, it creates a tremendous vacuum, and the crew is sucked out into space. This is basic science people.
Indeed. We all know from playing World of Tanks that if you shoot the lead drive wheel of a tank the tracks come off, sending the crew into a full panic that consumes them until they either abandon the tank or scuttle it with self-destruct explosives, taking the their lives along with the tank as to never have the dishonor of truly losing to an enemy combatant. This is just basic war doctrine, people
dont want to be a jerk but it is actually 91.3 percent
Camericans I stand corrected. Much appreciated. Just as in hatch shooting, 100 percent accuracy is the goal.
+FATshadow "history shows us that..." no, it doesn't.
FireShorts I'm going to assume you're going for some sort of humor here and nod politely.
Finally ! not so much content about AW is going out thanks Jingles!
Excellent video +The Mighty Jingles, but if anything this has pushed me more toward sticking with WOT, because:
1) Crew perks such as 6th sense, eagle eye should be earned by experience, rather than given automatically, unless AW is giving them for a technological reason - targeting alarms etc.
2) Crew skills seem absurdly powerful - 10% and 20% bonuses - is this geared toward faster advancement to lure players in with faster access to more powerful vehicles?
3) Armour types and effectiveness vs ammo types - yeah, because WOT players are so good at firing the most appropriate ammo type, right?! Great for pros getting that extra few %, largely irrelevant for the average and below average player (vast majority of the player base).
4) MBT armour and side-scraping degradation - surely this convention in tank armour was brought on by the tank brigade training to form a firing line, multiple tanks across, all exposing front armour only and covered by the tanks to either side. So players who cooperate and work together will be fine....do we see the problem there? Great for highly coordinated clans, a real weakness for the average and below average random gamer.
5) Arty being spotted every time they fire - why? Arty is very rarely a nuke in WOT against attentive players, but good arty players can cause consistently significant damage - as they should be able to. Being lit up every time they fire is just pandering to the inattentive players who ignored the threat of arty and paid the price. I like what AW has done with lower damage, higher accuracy and rate of fire, but being exposed every time they fire seems unreasonable.
All in all, independently of WOT, AW looks like a really good game. But comparing the two, I still feel like WOT is superior for the average player. Of course we're comparing a mature game with one in beta, but with what we have to go on, that's how it currently feels.
+Adam Bennett YOu should really try AW for example that Arty mechanism works really good and if you are a good player it doesnt even bother you because you can easily avoid counter arty!
+Adriano AWZ
As an WoT TD and Arty player (I dont play other classes except for cheap laugh).
I can not understand why players need warning about arty? Even in WoT it is #¤%& hard to hit what you aim as arty.
In AW they seem to have increased arty accuracy but destroyed its dmg making it basicly long-range scout tank :/
Why do I need to suffer from incompetence of other players? Because shitty ones whine about getting hit!!
Should it not be clear for players that if they are spotted arty might aim at them? Also what kind of nation/army uses arty that has less pen/dmg than H-tank?
Sami Systa Sorry man but you are just a scumbag in WoT only playing Arty and TDs...
You cant really evaluate the game completly because you play that kind of gameplay that is not balanced and which AW wants to avoid!
Adriano AWZ
"Sorry man but you are just a scumbag in WoT only playing Arty and TDs..."
SO are you one of those guys who cry when you get shot while crossing open terrain and TD kills you? If you are blame yourself.
I do agree that WoTs TD and Arty system is little un-balanced but good players dont ave too much problem with those.
Tell me what is "balanced" in your eyes.
I am fine with AW style of shoot-and-get-spotted system but that I have problem is that "I know what they are thinking from X km/miles away".
Same way I have problem with sixth sense in WoT and AW but that I can stomach in order to make game fair
+Adam Bennett Vast majority is below average *Facepalm*
I'm pretty sure the sniper bonus is when you are fully zoomed in before you shoot on your TD, I've gotten the bonus shooting people at close range.
How not to suck, and you went dull derp on that video... At the hard Coop battle you are firing HEAT and saying that you are firing AP. Check out somewhere around 25th minuteof video :) That's why you weren't penetrating, ERA doesn't affect AP penetration :)
+Mrorome Trololololo And Sheridan isn't a infantry fighting vehicle, it's a light tank and it has a different ability under E slot :V
+Mrorome Trololololo
And the Scorpio isn't a t2 AFV anymore, it's a t3 LT
some late tier era does reduce apfsds pen values.
Elijah Sorunmu Which and why?
+Mrorome Trololololo The original one because I literally have no idea WHAT THE FUCK the thing is trying to say
I started to play WoT because of Historical WW2 tanks, that's why the tiers I enjoy the most are from V to VIII. I have no interest in modern tanks really, so I don't care about AW.
+Danox94
Wouldn't you be better off playing Warthunder Ground Forces then? It seems they are somewhat more historical and realistic (don't quote me on that, haven't played GF, 'cause my computer can't handle it).
+Sólyom Csaba -- A word of advice. *Don't* play Ground Forces. *Just don't*. I mean, sure, go for it if you really like your Soviet tanks. Because at tier/battle-rating 3 the Soviet tanks just get overpowered. T-34s.
The T-34s just don't die. I uninstalled the whole game out of disgust yesterday. I shot at a T-34 to the side three times consecutively, hitting fuel tank and ammo rack. No effect. The T-34 swings the turret around and penetrates me frontally with a half-aimed shot and destroys every component in my tank from a frontal penetration. I tried M4 Shermans, Jumbos, Panzer IV F2s. No effect.
The only matches I won were the ones where we had Soviet tanks on our team, which was when I was playing American tanks. So that's 2 matches out of 30 matches. You can imagine how fun that was.
TLDR; Groundforces is very much fucking broken at this moment and time. Don't play it.
AzureTemplar
Unfortunately I'm not really surprised to hear that. Gaijin has been consistently delivering terrible with balancing and for some freaking reason ui design. That's why I stopped playing, and the fact that the performance just kept getting worse.
A year or so ago I could play air battles with reasonable fps, after gf was released I can barely brake 20 fps. It just went to hell.
***** I tried, but I got too used to magical tanks with klingon camo and health bars
Danox94 -- And balance. In WoT, sure USSR tanks may do more damage but there are always drawbacks. Long reload, long aim time. I'd argue that maybe the tier X mediums on the USSR tree are a bit on the powerful side but they're nothing one can't handle if you know what you're doing. In Warthunder it doesn't matter if you know what you're doing, because you just get overpowered by Stronk Tenks made of Stalinium. It's just plain ol' bias. And don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
***** -- I'm sorry to hear that... Have you found any other flight games worthy of mentioning? It's a huge shame because I really started to get into the air-battles, too, but ... the very thought of spending time on a game that has that broken mechanics on some parts just pushes me away from it. I can't return to Warthunder, not even for the air combat.
no hate or anything but WoT updated their info panel which now shows gun depression and so on :)
Just took a whole new game being developed for them to do that xD
Is it that info page in the garage? I know you can look that kinda info up with a quick search in the WoT Wikia page, but I didn't know soft stats would show up in the garage
yeah they do if you point ur mouse cursor over the tank in the select bar at the bottom
Although that might be xvm i'm not sure
+Cheeki Breeki Well, it's hardly surprising really, history is replete with companies that have coasted on the profits of their success due to lack of competition. Bring in said competition and watch as WG's development ethic takes a turn for the better. Calling it now ;)
AW also benefits from 4 years of development in WoT, they can instantly see what works and what doesn't with less work for themselves. Add in their own stuff and expand on what WoT has done right and you have a title that looks far better than it's predecessor.
That is one reason why I refuse to say that AW is better than WoT and vice versa. Time will tell whether AW success and exceeds, either way it'll good for the genre and the industry.
A very comprehensive, yet concise, video regarding something I know nothing about. I'm glad I came across this, you sir have saved me at least a week of being the bane of my team. Thank you for dedicating your time to making this possible.
Armored Warefare is fun, until you play with actual people
this video made wanna stop playing wot and start playing AW not cod
lol see what i did there
Aw suck cod see what i did there
+klaas mellema AW cod is cute compared to bf4, see what I did there?
No i dan't see it
+Thomas Sebelist I don't see what any of you have done here. Your typing is atrocious.
+klaas mellema yeah, me neither.
This is a great guide to the differences in mechanics. The M-113 Vs T-62 scenario reminds me of something from the stress test. T-64s are scary when you are in a T-54. Glad I had a shot at his side.
If this isn't featured on the AW web page, I don't know what will be. Great job!
Thank you Jingles for elaborating on some of the features of AW vs WoT, I really helped me out since AW doesn't explain some things very well, I assume it is because it's still in beta.
Love your channel!
about time jingles, I've been waiting for this video for far too long. A Lot of these thing you talked about i have to learned the hard way in Armored Warfare but some of these are just new life saver. I mean i've been side scraping in all of my MBT and paid the price.. you know, things like that. So great video, thank you and keep up the good work.
You have me sold, I least I know what it truly is, I'll probably download the game soon...
This is the single best video I have ever seen on the Armored Warfare! Thank you so much!
Jingles, composite armour isn't some kind of magical defence barrier against HEAT (or similar) ammo. If you know where to shoot, you'll still easily punch through. Like with that BMP-3 at 25:30. The upper glacis plate is clearly not covered by ERA. And it might be composite, but it's wafer-thin compared to other tanks. So shaped charge ammo will still /easily/ punch straight through that.
+Somillian Yeah the ERA is just a modifier if you still have enough penetraten you are going to penetrate.
Jingles, you also can add outgoing and received damage for your tank within the AW UI. And you can move them to where you want them without mods. I don't know if WOT can do this as I have never tried it but I was impressed that AW thought about this feature. Thanks for the guide. I learned a few new things.
Wait a minute, @ wot you don''t get the option then someone is aiming at you or goeing to shoot your way, just that your spoted *
just the fact that you get a warning when arty is aiming at you makes this game completly worth it
Don't forget the AFVs get a spotting range bonus for being stationary on top of the best camo values, so theyre incredibly dangerous in the form of getting MBTs attempting to attack shot by invisible tanks. And yes, the best two overall commanders are unlocked on the tier 4 arties. Another big change is unlocking the equipment to put on tanks, how equipment is non-transferrable, and increases in cost drastically with tier.
Accually Jingles, regarding gun depression: the first number is for over the front of your tank and the second is for over the back of your tank. In the leopard 1 senario, depression over front is ´-9 and the back/over the engine deck is 2.5, so your gun can only shoot up if you for some reason is pointing your back at enemies.
.... Jingles?
Funny side note, in the EA stages someone called my BMP3 with the ERA packs a "Claymore" because he was using a Starship and none of his shots did any damage since my whole tank was covered in ERA panels, even on the lower frontal plate and the upper plate is angled ant a high degre bouncing incoming fire.
@Jingles Another HUGE difference in AW compared to WoT is when you spend XP on upgrading modules on a tank it DOES NOT subtract from the progression towards the next tank like WoT does so you can buy upgrades without fear of having to spend longer than you want in a vehicle.
Really great video with a ton of information!
I like that you point out the real differences between WoT and AW. And also mention the Armoredtalk Blog, which is really great.
Perhaps it would be fair to make a video about the things that AW doesn't do so well as WoT or the things that need perhaps a bit of improvement.
I've got couple tier 5's and been playing for some time now but gotta admit I've learned a couple of things from this video. Thanks Jingles
Great vid MJ...as usual very informative and something even hardcore AW players, yes those with the "A" decal on their tanks, should watch.
I have been head over heels for this game since Alpha, and yes I have proudly slapped the "A" decals on all my tanks, and have learned a lot from it.
The greatest shake-my-head moment I've had in AW so far involved a guy demanding "no cap, kill all" in a PvE capture mission, and backing it up with his gun. As far as I can tell, there is no "all" in that kind of mission; the bots keep spawning until the players either cap, all die, or run out of time.
I bailed on that mission before he could TK me; I like to imagine that he's still there, weeks later, raging in chat about the other team's obvious hax as the 19,453th PT-76 trundles over the hill. (I know he can't be, but it's a pleasing image.)
It's a great game, but one might be so bold as to wish it didn't appeal to World of Tanks players QUITE so readily. :)
So you were recording when i met that suspicious Henriksen nickname, recognizing and greeting you in chat . I was waiting to see that match on youtube. Unfortunately i was distracted that i finally met you ingame and i played like crap. :-P
Good video mr Jingles, keep that good work up!
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I can hear Jingles, that your music taste is getting better :) Carry on!
So Jingles, you're gonna have to go and redo this video later because the upcoming patch introduces buffs to side-scraping as well as many other changes. It's so nice that Obsidian actually went into a lot of detail why they changed vehicles instead of just listing buffs/nerfs.
Jingles those are awesome videos. You made me a better player at world of tanks and I could carry this over to armored warfare. You taught me to angle the armor shooting at weakspots etc. Thanks for these videos keep up the great work.
I think the most interesting thing that Armored Warfare taught me about tank history was that at some point during the early arms races of the Cold War, when the missile was developed and it became portable and practical for use in regional conflict, there was somewhat of a period of ideological uncertainty; easily noted with tanks like the XM551 Sheridan and the M60e4 (I think that's the name), no one was sure if missiles marked the end of cannons and shells. Also evident in the history of the fighter jet the F-4 Phantom, it wasn't clear if the development of the missile marked the end of cannons firing shells, and given all the different types, sizes, and calibers of shells, if the paradigm shift did in fact go towards skirmishes fought with guided missiles it was cheaper to outfit tanks with universal launching tubes of cannons than picking/choosing a gun and paying out the factory lines to supply the ammunition. Obviously, that wasn't the case, but it wasn't before. EDUCATION!
Juan Carlos Miramon is an absolutely fantastic commander for MBTs, and you get him off of the Gvosdika artillery piece, if I remember correctly. The commander gotten from the M109 (Freja Hojbjerg) is also great for autocannon-armed vehicles. Just throwing this out here for anyone wanting to know o7
Also, that cannon depression stat is over the front and rear of the tank, rather than actual depression and elevation.
Can't wait to play this game on ps4. Hope they support it a lot better than they did before. Honestly I enjoyed this game more than wot
Jingles you forgot to put your consumables on your tank! Where is your repair kit and fire extinguisher?
Jingles...?
Jingles, Armored warfare made this video a basic guide to their game!! im sure you must already know but it was surprising to me when i started the launcher and found a section made for you and this video on 11/03/2015--18:31 among the top topics
Jingles, you need to add in the Damage panels! Go into settings, go to Hit Details, and uncheck the two boxes! Now you have two boxes that give you how much damage you're doing to what, and receiving damage and from what. It's really helpful.
Most informative video sir. I am loving AW since it became available. Not played wot since and will not be playing it again. This game is just so much better and AW is not trying to take every cent from my pocket.
Nice review Jingles. Helps me a little.
Nice to see you promoting a friends BLOG :)
Forgot to explain what those small circular bars around your tank model on the UI mean, under the camo talk.
Those circular bars tell you how much approximate concealing you are getting from the general direction they are at. If you got a bar on the right side of your tank and nothing on the front then you probably have a bush or something nearby providing a camo bonus to anything looking at your direction from that side.
The more bars you have, the better concealed you are. Also, those bars go from grey to white, that's going from poor camo bonus to big camo bonus respectivelly (think of it like different bush density providing different bonus levels like in WoT); though usually if it's a bright white bar then it means you are being obstructed by a rock, wall or bump and nothing can spot you through that way unless it is a proxy spotting much like in WoT
Jingles at around 13:25 when you talk about the depression, first number is gun depression in the front, the other one is over the back of your vehicle, that why the Leopard 1 shows +2.5° because the gun has to be elevated over the engine deck.
Perfect, this was just perfect time to upload a video, thanks Jingles :)
Yesterday a 45 min video and today a 39 min video?... oh jingles you spoil us rotten
This is an outstanding video and a perfect template for future introductory videos
One thing you missed was that the experience earned on a tank doesn't get reduced towards your next tank when purchasing modules, I think this is great because it doesn't slow down your progress towards the next tank just because you have spent the xp on a new gun etc.
I waited for something like this for a long time. Great stuff!
Bring back AW videos please Jingles they are awesome..
Quality content as always!
Only one suggestion, a 1000-2000kbit to bitrate of your 60p videos, it gets a bit grainy when moving :)
Great work!
Jingles! You forgot about the Infantry bonuses the IFVs get!
While they aren't modeled, the effects are. When you stop for more than... 6 seconds I think? It's assumed the infantry get out and set up an observation post, giving you a spotting range bonus. And when capturing a zone parking the vehicle lets the troops get out and secure the area giving a boost to capture rate. An IFV with the Retrofits to increase cap rate capture almost as fast as 2 normal vehicles!
They've become my favorite class. I was really worried they'd suck because they have all this space and tonnage dedicated to troops, which I didn't expect to be modeled. But they are, and get some fun bonuses in certain situations as a result.
You forgot the HERA aka High Explosive Rocket Assisted, which the M109 guys fire, flying rather quick and massively ranged also posibly penetrating the roof of your tank, which will take out your crew and modules so fast, you´ll need the spare parts kit to repair.
Jingles. There are more than the 5 commanders you have, they are in the various trees. I've heard the commander's available in each of the 2 artilery tree's are the best commanders for main battle tanks. As always keep up the great video's.
Totally didn't just fan boy after realising I had appeared in one of Jingle's videos. I did wonder why the friendly arty had been super helpful and dropped smoke on me. Thanks for the cover Jingles.
I was dissatisfied with WoT mostly because of the era of hardware it offered. I wanted modern material. This video, however, enlightened me to many other differences between AW and WoT, and I'm pleased with all of them. Thank goodness for competition.
you can angle your MBT armor in AW but its more a 1-2° angle, wait till the enemy shots pull further back fire and then get your front back into cover again
Its funny that you mention the over penetration mechanic in this game versus WoT because yesterday I was playing with a friend, and I fired a shell from my Jagdtiger's long 128 at a T54E1. The shell, of course, penetrated the hull at a slight angle because he was at the top of a hill. My friend then said that he actually saw my shell exit out the other side of the tank. In Armored Warfare, that wouldn't have been a full damage hit, but it of course was in WoT and really, if you think about it, I should have done more than just HP damage to him. The shell penned in the tank's right of the lower glacis, and then - I presume - exited out of the top of the engine deck, just behind the turret. The crew and module damage that would have actually done would be damn near crippling.
Absolute love Jingles. I was looking around for some good content on AW and I think this video is the first to be made. AW series? please?
So, Armored Warfare liked the video so much, they put it on their launcher/website. GG, Jingles!
Free garage slot no stress to grind all the way modern tank . I play war thunder when i get tired of war thunder i go to Armored warfare to chill in my tank my goal is not to get the best tanks most tanks can be fun in armored warfare unlike world of tanks and war thunder thought i am addicted to warthunder i like armored warfare more than worlds of tanks
you can also get additional commanders by unlocking them from particular tanks. The LAV-300 for example.