Not only, her cr.MP now is much weaker, funny thing is even with all the nerfs to Cammy, a lot of people will still be complaining about her for just existing in the game, it's ridiculous.
They've nerfed nearly all of Cammy's unique tools at this point; Spin Knuckle, Cannon Spike, Cannon Strike, they even nerfed one of her Hooligan cancels... a cancel that takes about a full second to even come out anyway. It wasn't even the only move that slides beneath Drive Impacts... but it was the only move that had a full second of start-up (flipping through the air) before she could slide. No one was timing that interaction with the Drive Impacts to happen on purpose. You'd have to predict a Drive Impact a full second in advance, and start the Hooligan. But they nerfed it anyway lol... just cuz. They still haven't fixed Reverse Edge's (overhead Hooligan cancel) hitbox. Currently, it just whiffs through jumpers, instead of hitting them, like Akuma's overhead cancel out of his knock-off Hooligan hits jumpers. Cammy's bad matchups (Manon, Zangeif, Honda, Blanka, Jamie, Dee Jay, etc) are getting worse for her for a second patch in a row. While her favourable matchups (JP, Luke, Ryu) keep getting slightly less favourable. Hm...
Yeah, gonna have to agree on this one. It's a REALLY bad nerf for Cammy. Cammy is one of those characters that's easy to pick but incredibly hard to master. Her moves drive her forward, and most of her moves (if not performed precisely) aren't safe on block. They nerfed every move that drives her forward for offense, and let's not forget that they nerfed her crouching med kick along with Ken, which offers less pushback now too. I feel bad for guys like Punk needing to make the transition during the Capcom tour.
Wow yeah I agree. I do not think Cammy will be weak now. But they are making her less fun to play by making her unique abilities ineffective. I used to answer to fire balls with spin knuckle, but now I mostly walk forward and parry, like everyone else. With playing online, it is often really hard to time spin knuckle now. Now we also can't punish throws with dive kick, we have to walk back and forward, or jump, like everyone else. We also just lost a combo from dive kick into back medium punch target combo in the process. It doesn't work from low dive kicks anymore. We can't switch sides with her OD kick which was unique, so now we have to get out of the corner like everyone else. They are taking away unique reasons to play Cammy. Even if Cammy were the weakest character, I think people would still complain and want her nerfed more. I think it is just popular to hate her because she's a popular pick.
I legitimately feel bad for the qualifiers. These major nerfs for Cammy months before CapCup are really rough. It's one thing having damage or meter nerfs, but they're completely removing her tools. I think they should've just made her fragile and reduced her meter gain
Just to give more context on the Chun buffs: - The stance into M punch (chun slide) is more a buff to her crouching M kick confirms as she can now combo the slide on a (regular) counter hit. Chun now gets a safely confirmable knockdown off of her cr. M kick without spending meter or needing charge for spinning brid kick. Has to hit counterhit tho but still pretty common interaction, huge buff IMO. - You mentioned that H spinning bird kick now comboes from cr. M punch which is pretty big, but something you didn't mention is that it now comboes from her stance M kick as well. This is important because now on a connected Drive Impact punish, this is now an alternate *METERLESS* route (st. H kick - stance M kick - SBK) to the previous standard route, which was the H kick - stance launcher into the hop kicks corner carry. The hop kicks route still gives better oki, but the new H spinning bird route does 200 more damage than the hop kicks route, and offers only slightly less corner carry, meaning that now there is a real trade off for taking the hop kicks route. I believe this was done so Chun players are now punished for ALWAYS going for the hop kicks combo, although something tells me this isn't gonna stop them. These are lowkey really huge, cause now you're getting more damage off of super common METERLESS confirms and bnbs, obviously now meaning that Chun can use her OD on other things. Another interesting points worth mentioning: - With the universal increases to OD gain, and a couple of characters doing less OD "damage" when blocking their moves, this is potentially an indirect buff to more defensive play, more specifically, there is more room to just simply blocking as a more viable option to weather the storm. - Might be wrong on this one, but I believe this 1 patch featured more Cammy nerfs than the entirety of SF5's life span.
The stance MP also works off f-MP, which is sometimes used to check drive rush or in certain matchups. I think it is the best buff she got this patch, Chun struggles to get knockdowns without spending drive so even though the oki isn't the best off of stance MP it still lets her start running her pressure which is VERY good.
Chun-li is back to top tiers for sure, heavy sbk buff was huge, metterless damage and nice corner carry and the most important than more damage than her previously combos
I can't believe they keep nerfing Cammy. I don't care if she is considered top tier because the best player in the world plays her and her ceiling is theoretically the highest. I'm not Punk. Stop nerfing Cammy.
The most important thing about the Chun Li stance cr.MP changes is that that they combo from a counter hit confirm f.MP or cr.MK. I felt it was pretty common to counter hit confirm your long reaching pokes and without meter it was difficult to confirm into anything meaningful. f.MP -> stance -> cr.MP will be used a ton now. Very excited for the new BnB routing changes too
Juri won last Capcom Cup yet keeps getting away from these patches with zero changes or even buffs. I think she’s the most slept on character right now.
Notice how no one’s able to get results with her again her gameplan is extremely linear, she can’t deal with fireballs, relatively low damage (incapable of breaking 7 k damage)
@ Uh, a Juri player already qualified for Capcom Cup and she consistently turns up in top 8’s. Juri is nearly as consistently good as Ken or Guile and with other top tiers receiving nerfs, Juri only gets better. These really feel like downplay comments. Not breaking 7k damage doesn’t mean you’re bad. Most characters can’t break 7k. Better yet Marissa can get 8k damage and she’s completely fallen off at the pro level. All I’m saying is Juri is going underrated.
@ name the last major juri has won, she’s a high mid tier with the worst matchup into fireballs in the game. She’s not bad but she and chun haven’t been top 5 in a while they hover near the bottom of top 10
I can't believe it, I never thought they would add more moves to modern Chun-li, now I get more options out of stance, hopefully they add her air punch at some point and then modern chun will literally be on par to the classic moveset
@@venivediicommented4046 The slide buff is huge, she has counterhit combos off 2MK/4MP now, before you only got a confirmable combo off punish counter unless you spent drive gauge. Getting a knockdown off her best pokes is MASSIVE for chun
You mean you didn't pump your fists when you saw you can do stance mk > DR> C.HP? Because for months I've been wondering why the hell this didn't work. @@venivediicommented4046
Ouch, Cammy players really got hit hard this season. Her spin knuckle is gone, OD cannon Strike is gone, Crouching med punch is laughably punishable even by amateur players now, and her crouching medium kick, just like Ken, offers no pushback any longer. For a character who's timing and precision is key (since most of her moves are not safe on block), it's looking BAD.
So Cammy just can't side switch PERIOD....but Ken is allow to still do that metterless, great, so happy today, no any reason to toss this game in the next garbage can I can find in my way home.
Look if they were going to kill the side switch, they at least needed to give better knockdown advantage. +19 you're not even plus after a dash, unlike every other OD DP in the game. Also I think OD Cannon Spike should have been +1 at least, instead of +0. But I'm a Chun player so I'm sipping tea over here
I think Cammy will be fine. These are real nerfs, but every other top tier in the game ALSO got nerfed. Losing the side switch sucks, but it's worth remembering that Sf6 is weird in the sense that the majority of the characters have the exact same health. Usually cammy has low health to justify her fast movement and good.. almost everything. Sorta like Akuma. Instead she has normal health, so losing an ultra strong defensive tool like a side switch EX dp sort of brings that defensive weakness back, in a sense. I'd still rather she have the side switch and just have her health nerfed, though. Maybe 9500. Cammy has good pokes other than cmp, and it's still good at whiff punishing. ALSO, Akuma and Chun-Li have both had their walk speeds nerfed. Cammy hasn't. She might have the best movement in the game now, although I'm not sure.
Well, looks like my prediction about Chun Li winning Capcom Cup this year might come to fruition. Meanwhile, they still didnt give Juri a fireball invul move.
I really don't like that they nerfed Cammy's side switch od dp and didn't buff hitbox on it. I get that it was busted and it should be nerfed, but in my experience it never hits jumping opponents in corner. Expand it's hitbox a little bit vertically, and it would be a good trade off balance wise. Also I don't like that od dive kick doesn't combo into back mp even on punish counter. Other than that those changes are good imo
Agreed. These nerfs are good for players because they teach people to think and not let the character play the game for them. They brought more respect to Cammy as a character.
Hmmm okay im happy with the chunner changes but was hoping you could cancel st.HP into super but oh well. I gotta see how the oki is for HK Sbk compared to MK Sbk for her BNB. I go for meterless damage with her more and more and the game goes on.
nice capcom - i wont play this again. You destroyed cammy, you wont at least give her back her hooligan grab. They getting tired of Cammy players. I wont support this crap.
Thank goodness! She NEVER ever needed it. The Designers were smoking HARD when they thought of that on top of all the other insane mix-up tools that she had to play with.
Cammy's changes aren't weird. She shouldn't be anywhere near the top to begin with. That's Chun-Li's spot. She's a dumb blonde. She deserves to be at the bottom. Capcom has been giving her laughable nerfs since SF4 while nerfing the hell out of Chun who is pretty much one of their two main icons. These nerfs to her aren't enough. She should be doing half the damage she's doing now.
Cammy lost her side switch while Ken still has his with zero meter or if he wants to carry you to the other corner if he wants 🤦🏾
Not only, her cr.MP now is much weaker, funny thing is even with all the nerfs to Cammy, a lot of people will still be complaining about her for just existing in the game, it's ridiculous.
Ikr
@@NikolayNikoloff yea eventually she’s just gonna get shot again and not be viable because people actually just suck at the game
Yeah they should’ve nerfed that by Ken too. They both needed to get nuked
@@jurisdojo23i wont lie she was absurd before. These nerfs are pretty fair.
Did you just quarantine all the coomers into one comments section? That's genius.
nah their in the shoto video
Hey it brought me here because they are the only three chars I play seriously lol.
They've nerfed nearly all of Cammy's unique tools at this point; Spin Knuckle, Cannon Spike, Cannon Strike, they even nerfed one of her Hooligan cancels... a cancel that takes about a full second to even come out anyway. It wasn't even the only move that slides beneath Drive Impacts... but it was the only move that had a full second of start-up (flipping through the air) before she could slide. No one was timing that interaction with the Drive Impacts to happen on purpose. You'd have to predict a Drive Impact a full second in advance, and start the Hooligan. But they nerfed it anyway lol... just cuz.
They still haven't fixed Reverse Edge's (overhead Hooligan cancel) hitbox. Currently, it just whiffs through jumpers, instead of hitting them, like Akuma's overhead cancel out of his knock-off Hooligan hits jumpers.
Cammy's bad matchups (Manon, Zangeif, Honda, Blanka, Jamie, Dee Jay, etc) are getting worse for her for a second patch in a row. While her favourable matchups (JP, Luke, Ryu) keep getting slightly less favourable. Hm...
That's the part that concerns me... her bad matchups getting worse. My friend mains friggin Zangief and Manon...
Yeah, gonna have to agree on this one. It's a REALLY bad nerf for Cammy. Cammy is one of those characters that's easy to pick but incredibly hard to master. Her moves drive her forward, and most of her moves (if not performed precisely) aren't safe on block. They nerfed every move that drives her forward for offense, and let's not forget that they nerfed her crouching med kick along with Ken, which offers less pushback now too. I feel bad for guys like Punk needing to make the transition during the Capcom tour.
Wow yeah I agree. I do not think Cammy will be weak now. But they are making her less fun to play by making her unique abilities ineffective. I used to answer to fire balls with spin knuckle, but now I mostly walk forward and parry, like everyone else. With playing online, it is often really hard to time spin knuckle now. Now we also can't punish throws with dive kick, we have to walk back and forward, or jump, like everyone else. We also just lost a combo from dive kick into back medium punch target combo in the process. It doesn't work from low dive kicks anymore. We can't switch sides with her OD kick which was unique, so now we have to get out of the corner like everyone else. They are taking away unique reasons to play Cammy. Even if Cammy were the weakest character, I think people would still complain and want her nerfed more. I think it is just popular to hate her because she's a popular pick.
I'm a happy Chun player.
I legitimately feel bad for the qualifiers. These major nerfs for Cammy months before CapCup are really rough. It's one thing having damage or meter nerfs, but they're completely removing her tools. I think they should've just made her fragile and reduced her meter gain
Yeah at the same time pros wanted a balance patch sooo it is what it is
All buffs! Happy Chun day!! 🎉
Yay
Would have liked a slither more range to her stmp but not bad
I’m having fun with the chun changes but her biggest buff was ed getting employed at McDonald’s
Just to give more context on the Chun buffs:
- The stance into M punch (chun slide) is more a buff to her crouching M kick confirms as she can now combo the slide on a (regular) counter hit. Chun now gets a safely confirmable knockdown off of her cr. M kick without spending meter or needing charge for spinning brid kick. Has to hit counterhit tho but still pretty common interaction, huge buff IMO.
- You mentioned that H spinning bird kick now comboes from cr. M punch which is pretty big, but something you didn't mention is that it now comboes from her stance M kick as well. This is important because now on a connected Drive Impact punish, this is now an alternate *METERLESS* route (st. H kick - stance M kick - SBK) to the previous standard route, which was the H kick - stance launcher into the hop kicks corner carry. The hop kicks route still gives better oki, but the new H spinning bird route does 200 more damage than the hop kicks route, and offers only slightly less corner carry, meaning that now there is a real trade off for taking the hop kicks route. I believe this was done so Chun players are now punished for ALWAYS going for the hop kicks combo, although something tells me this isn't gonna stop them.
These are lowkey really huge, cause now you're getting more damage off of super common METERLESS confirms and bnbs, obviously now meaning that Chun can use her OD on other things. Another interesting points worth mentioning:
- With the universal increases to OD gain, and a couple of characters doing less OD "damage" when blocking their moves, this is potentially an indirect buff to more defensive play, more specifically, there is more room to just simply blocking as a more viable option to weather the storm.
- Might be wrong on this one, but I believe this 1 patch featured more Cammy nerfs than the entirety of SF5's life span.
The stance MP also works off f-MP, which is sometimes used to check drive rush or in certain matchups. I think it is the best buff she got this patch, Chun struggles to get knockdowns without spending drive so even though the oki isn't the best off of stance MP it still lets her start running her pressure which is VERY good.
They don't want punk to win Capcom cup lol
LOL I was thinking the same thing 😂
They don't want 8 more Cammys in Capcup
No even punk himself knew cammy was a problem .
He'll just swap to Akuma
@@user-et3xn2jm1uAkuma got hit the third hardest in this patch
Chun-li is back to top tiers for sure, heavy sbk buff was huge, metterless damage and nice corner carry and the most important than more damage than her previously combos
these changes are not bringing her back to top tiers you crazy 😭😭
I have to agree with Judo here but yea having the H bird K combo route is pretty nice and they buffed serenity stream cr.mp
I can't believe they keep nerfing Cammy. I don't care if she is considered top tier because the best player in the world plays her and her ceiling is theoretically the highest. I'm not Punk. Stop nerfing Cammy.
The most important thing about the Chun Li stance cr.MP changes is that that they combo from a counter hit confirm f.MP or cr.MK. I felt it was pretty common to counter hit confirm your long reaching pokes and without meter it was difficult to confirm into anything meaningful. f.MP -> stance -> cr.MP will be used a ton now. Very excited for the new BnB routing changes too
Juri won last Capcom Cup yet keeps getting away from these patches with zero changes or even buffs. I think she’s the most slept on character right now.
She has trouble against fireball characters and has her good stuff gated behind her stocks. She's well balanced.
Slept on? Any character with fireball destroys her. If anything, she is the most neglected character.
Notice how no one’s able to get results with her again her gameplan is extremely linear, she can’t deal with fireballs, relatively low damage (incapable of breaking 7 k damage)
@ Uh, a Juri player already qualified for Capcom Cup and she consistently turns up in top 8’s. Juri is nearly as consistently good as Ken or Guile and with other top tiers receiving nerfs, Juri only gets better. These really feel like downplay comments. Not breaking 7k damage doesn’t mean you’re bad. Most characters can’t break 7k. Better yet Marissa can get 8k damage and she’s completely fallen off at the pro level. All I’m saying is Juri is going underrated.
@ name the last major juri has won, she’s a high mid tier with the worst matchup into fireballs in the game. She’s not bad but she and chun haven’t been top 5 in a while they hover near the bottom of top 10
Really great breakdown for Chun Li. Thank you. ✌️😎
Alternative name of this video:
Season 2.5 - the Hot girls balance changes 😁😏
I can't believe it, I never thought they would add more moves to modern Chun-li, now I get more options out of stance, hopefully they add her air punch at some point and then modern chun will literally be on par to the classic moveset
cammy getting her side switch taken away ruined my day 💀💀💀
cuz u a noob relying on that move 😂
Who is making these decisions at Capcom....they just gonna put them back later on...some of these cammy nerf is dumb
Chun Li gets an easier knockdown off of a counter hit 2mk with follow up lotus fist! Gets you a nice Oki situation to work with
They can ruin Cammy in the game, and they can cut of her beautiful braids, but she'll still be the coolest character with the deepest lore!
Im actually consider changing characters just because the nerfs are so unnecessary
chun mains we're so back
Uhhh idk that slide buff is kinda meh... The sbk is cool though
@@venivediicommented4046 The slide buff is huge, she has counterhit combos off 2MK/4MP now, before you only got a confirmable combo off punish counter unless you spent drive gauge. Getting a knockdown off her best pokes is MASSIVE for chun
@@user-et3xn2jm1u guess I'll have to practically incorporating that into her game...
One misread and you're going to pay for it...
You mean you didn't pump your fists when you saw you can do stance mk > DR> C.HP? Because for months I've been wondering why the hell this didn't work. @@venivediicommented4046
Ouch, Cammy players really got hit hard this season. Her spin knuckle is gone, OD cannon Strike is gone, Crouching med punch is laughably punishable even by amateur players now, and her crouching medium kick, just like Ken, offers no pushback any longer. For a character who's timing and precision is key (since most of her moves are not safe on block), it's looking BAD.
So Cammy just can't side switch PERIOD....but Ken is allow to still do that metterless, great, so happy today, no any reason to toss this game in the next garbage can I can find in my way home.
She can still side switch, but now she only has 3 ways to do it instead of 4
Look if they were going to kill the side switch, they at least needed to give better knockdown advantage. +19 you're not even plus after a dash, unlike every other OD DP in the game. Also I think OD Cannon Spike should have been +1 at least, instead of +0.
But I'm a Chun player so I'm sipping tea over here
Next week Punk adapts and find other abusable sh1t and in 6 months everybody is like "OMG I CATE HAMMY PLZ NERF HER BOODY". Rinse and repeat.
Mura is putting in that work
There are rly not 8 Cammys on CC, there are 4. The other 4 are sexondary picks
Wait…where is the intro😢
I think Cammy will be fine. These are real nerfs, but every other top tier in the game ALSO got nerfed.
Losing the side switch sucks, but it's worth remembering that Sf6 is weird in the sense that the majority of the characters have the exact same health. Usually cammy has low health to justify her fast movement and good.. almost everything. Sorta like Akuma. Instead she has normal health, so losing an ultra strong defensive tool like a side switch EX dp sort of brings that defensive weakness back, in a sense. I'd still rather she have the side switch and just have her health nerfed, though. Maybe 9500.
Cammy has good pokes other than cmp, and it's still good at whiff punishing.
ALSO, Akuma and Chun-Li have both had their walk speeds nerfed. Cammy hasn't. She might have the best movement in the game now, although I'm not sure.
Well, looks like my prediction about Chun Li winning Capcom Cup this year might come to fruition.
Meanwhile, they still didnt give Juri a fireball invul move.
They really destroyed cammy
I really don't like that they nerfed Cammy's side switch od dp and didn't buff hitbox on it. I get that it was busted and it should be nerfed, but in my experience it never hits jumping opponents in corner. Expand it's hitbox a little bit vertically, and it would be a good trade off balance wise. Also I don't like that od dive kick doesn't combo into back mp even on punish counter. Other than that those changes are good imo
Agreed. These nerfs are good for players because they teach people to think and not let the character play the game for them. They brought more respect to Cammy as a character.
I think her dp change is fine. I've seen her dp hitting people jumping in the corner but the strength matters because of her angles.
Bruh they nerfed the damage💀
Cammy😕
Cammy got a slap on the wrist. Bison and Ed players can feel bad, Cammy players are just bugging.
Meh, not a Cammy player but I don't like the nerfs. Beating a good Cammy player with all her advantages brought me a sence of accomplishment.
I feel that!!
Yes chun needed buffs
it seems the buff comes too late for Chunli to make it to capcom cup though
They murdered cammy
he has clue how cammy functions. these nerfs don’t hurt her strengths in anyway
Hmmm okay im happy with the chunner changes but was hoping you could cancel st.HP into super but oh well. I gotta see how the oki is for HK Sbk compared to MK Sbk for her BNB. I go for meterless damage with her more and more and the game goes on.
nice capcom - i wont play this again. You destroyed cammy, you wont at least give her back her hooligan grab. They getting tired of Cammy players. I wont support this crap.
She still has hooligan grab
Just when yesterday I was thinking of picking up modern chun 🥰
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lol is this the waifu video
wow she lost side switch? good haha
Thank goodness! She NEVER ever needed it. The Designers were smoking HARD when they thought of that on top of all the other insane mix-up tools that she had to play with.
Never used it anyways. Always got me in trouble by side switching me into the corner if I hit both buttons by accident 😂.
@@SpectralStar lool yeah i can see myself doing that
Here before all the cammy downplayers
They should have left od dive kick on block at -4 as well instead of making it -2. That was getting abused so much
this patch is ridiculous, Cammy is dead
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bro req kim and guile vid since my chars
Chill kim got significant buffs & guile stays untouched
Cammy's changes aren't weird. She shouldn't be anywhere near the top to begin with. That's Chun-Li's spot. She's a dumb blonde. She deserves to be at the bottom. Capcom has been giving her laughable nerfs since SF4 while nerfing the hell out of Chun who is pretty much one of their two main icons. These nerfs to her aren't enough. She should be doing half the damage she's doing now.
bro you're a real hater
This made me laugh 😂