A Zen Master talks about Jordan Peterson & the Shadow

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  • Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
  • There are now 2 sequels to this film: 'Facing Shadows with Zen Master Doshin Roshi' • Facing the Shadow, Zen... and 'Back Once Again with the Renegade Zen Master' in which Doshin reflects on the success of this film and the polarised reactions: • Back once again with t...
    Doshin Nelson Roshi describes himself as poet, troublemaker, and teacher. He is the head abbot of Integral Zen - an expert in both the tradition of Zen and the Integral philosophy of Ken Wilber.
    integralzen.org/about/teachers/
    In this discussion with David Fuller of Rebel Wisdom, they explore the cultural phenomenon of Jordan Peterson and what his runaway success says about the intense times we are living in - and try to identify the cultural forces moving below the surface, and the necessity to integrate the shadow.
    Rebel Wisdom is a new media channel making films about the biggest ideas - the spearhead of a new counterculture.
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  • @vampierkill
    @vampierkill 5 років тому +354

    Modern man don’t see god, because they don’t look low enough - Carl Jung

  • @Ninja_Squirtle
    @Ninja_Squirtle 4 роки тому +36

    12:41 "Rather than finding a place in the world, first find yourself. There will be your place"
    ...
    Here i am! Really inspiring words

    • @bubbyskittles4802
      @bubbyskittles4802 4 роки тому +2

      Do a bit of reading around Zen Buddhism and then try to answer the question of ‘who am I?’, rather than taking the statement at face value and thus missing its profound philosophical significance.

  • @ourladyofsorrows60
    @ourladyofsorrows60 4 роки тому +13

    This guy is sincere and deep. Wonderful insight from a true gentle man.

  • @gurglejug627
    @gurglejug627 4 роки тому +251

    A Buddhist walks into a pizza shop and says "make me one with everything"

    • @remkojerphanion4686
      @remkojerphanion4686 4 роки тому +5

      Be careful what you ask for!!! :)

    • @StoptheplanetIwanttogetoff
      @StoptheplanetIwanttogetoff 4 роки тому +47

      A bit later they go up to the cashier and ask ‘where is my change?’ Cashier looks at them for a moment and says ‘Change comes from within...’

    • @fil8649
      @fil8649 4 роки тому +12

      ...and walks out with an empty pizza box.

    • @spectralv709
      @spectralv709 4 роки тому +7

      Very original joke definitely had heard that one 100000 times before

    • @RA6162
      @RA6162 4 роки тому

      Thats me ! But thats just cuz I am greedy and I a want everything !

  • @ckahlquist2129
    @ckahlquist2129 6 років тому +463

    So many egos calling out this dude's ego. It is hilarious.

    • @ckahlquist2129
      @ckahlquist2129 6 років тому +12

      @sallygo1234 I agree, in part. When the ego is in control it will steer you in to hell.

    • @xluyyjhfg
      @xluyyjhfg 6 років тому +2

      Straight up!

    • @ikenosis8160
      @ikenosis8160 6 років тому +1

      sallygo1234 Hell, I believe essential all of that. Well said.

    • @danonbrez
      @danonbrez 6 років тому +54

      The complaints are not calling out the guy's ego, its pointing out his obviously false presentation of his personality. He's performing for an audience, playing a shallow caricature of what he thinks a "zen master" should be. It's phony and distracting from his message.

    • @4EyedAnimation
      @4EyedAnimation 6 років тому +2

      yawn

  • @scoochmar
    @scoochmar 6 років тому +759

    “I have known many Zen masters - all of them cats.” Eckhart Tolle

    • @RunninUpThatHillh
      @RunninUpThatHillh 6 років тому +34

      Eckhart Tolle. LOL

    • @Impericalevidence
      @Impericalevidence 6 років тому +31

      If "no mind" is the goal of zen, then animals are great examples.
      I myself have used dogs in my presence as examples: "that dog is a Buddha."

    • @miikakyllonen5871
      @miikakyllonen5871 6 років тому +16

      Well he certainly seems just as cunning.

    • @bigfletch8
      @bigfletch8 6 років тому +5

      @@Impericalevidence " First there is the dog, then nothing, then the dog becomes the man again"..... Im surprised thet neither of them had the realization that male and female where aspects of the collective, from electrical energy, to biology to the humal level, where masculine and feminine are the fork in the road towards individual integration. It is this con-fusion which adds to the disruption which in turn, motivates the continuation of the journey, where the fork integrates..... FOR THE INDIVIDUAL.His constant reference to " we" says a lot about his level of consciousness..

    • @bigfletch8
      @bigfletch8 6 років тому +1

      @@miikakyllonen5871 .....and pehaps why he sees a lot of cataclysmic stages lol...

  • @waloacme
    @waloacme 4 роки тому +34

    He's right. We have no idea whats coming. Zombies don't know they are dead.

    • @Aqualungio
      @Aqualungio 4 роки тому

      waloacme They are often mesmerized by their cellphones 😄

  • @Dumass88
    @Dumass88 4 роки тому +29

    2018: we have no idea what's coming
    2020: Heeere's johnny!

  • @cincilitigator5108
    @cincilitigator5108 5 років тому +228

    Not sure what this guy did to qualify for all this shade thrown on him. He seems pretty happy and enjoying the interaction. At the same time he is communicating a bedrock dysfunctionalism in our society in somewhat plain words. My best guess is that people read “Zen master” and have a slew of preconceived notions possibly formed by yoda or something. No one noticed he put air quotes around “Zen master” when referring to himself. I will say that shows me he is not a narcissist as alleged.

    • @ironmantis25
      @ironmantis25 5 років тому +13

      Hollywood, anime and Japanese samurai movies have placed a certain image of what a Zen master looks like in people's heads.

    • @detailingshed8130
      @detailingshed8130 5 років тому +7

      He seems like a charlatan of sorts. The air quotes to me simply show that he as at least subconsciously aware of being one and perhaps his choice of attire shows he is consciously buying into this Japanese samurai style of zen master,.. widely known to be the kind of thing a charlatan would do to express "authenticity".

    • @cincilitigator5108
      @cincilitigator5108 5 років тому +18

      Detailing Shed I don’t think he is really claiming anything. He is just teaching. That is how Zen works. It is just information and idea. If it connects great, if not no problem. Move along to something else. I think perhaps Christians who are used to claims and not ideas would project charlatanism onto those who teach other than their own worldview.

    • @detailingshed8130
      @detailingshed8130 5 років тому +8

      @@cincilitigator5108 Well, in the very least he has claimed that he sees things other don't and then says he would rather not talk about it. One or two times he seemed a bit lost after the interviewers' comments. I'm not sure, I wouldn't outright call him a charlatan, it's just my perception that he comes across that way a bit.
      Also, I think teaching is great when done properly & from responsible people, but when the wrong teachers are given undeserved credibility it becomes dangerous - we can only hope it doesn't connect.
      Again this is just my perception, I don't trust him the same way I would trust the interviewer. He seems to talk in circles, dodge being direct or sugarcoat,. I'm not sure what it is. He's clearly someone who has endured substantial pain, I'm just not so sure he has moved on.

    • @cincilitigator5108
      @cincilitigator5108 5 років тому +10

      Detailing Shed the interviewer who is cogent is asking questions of him for a reason. There is obviously some respect but asking and answering questions are different matters. Of course in answering you risk being wrong whereas when you ask you don’t have that potential liability. My guess is that the title “Zen master” has conditioned you so that you are expecting a profound revelation in every syllable. When that does not materialize guy ascribe a sense of dishonesty to the man. With respect to paragraph 2 above I would say the ideas themselves have the power not the speaker so the credibility of them is self evident and we can get off this never ending merry go round of trying to comprehend another person’s worth.

  • @vidyaruchi4810
    @vidyaruchi4810 6 років тому +294

    I am a Buddhist and have known many Buddhists, some of whom I consider wise, some deluded. And of those I consider wise I can't imagine any of them saying 'nobody else sees what I see'.

    • @joanroth8594
      @joanroth8594 6 років тому +64

      I think perhaps he meant that we are all such one-of-a-kind individuals in a specific time and place, that no one else 'sees what I see'

    • @vidyaruchi4810
      @vidyaruchi4810 6 років тому +32

      @@joanroth8594 A generous interpretation and it is possible you are right.

    • @vidyaruchi4810
      @vidyaruchi4810 6 років тому +32

      @@thaliagarcia9684 I don't agree about Peterson. He seems genuine to me, which of course doesn't mean he is always right. Wilber I can't comment on.

    • @sonic0234
      @sonic0234 6 років тому +28

      How many zen masters do you know who have thoroughly studied Jung? Seems like he might have a unique perspective

    • @vidyaruchi4810
      @vidyaruchi4810 6 років тому +7

      @@sonic0234 That is what I thought. Then I watched the video.

  • @aleksandrazwonarz3446
    @aleksandrazwonarz3446 4 роки тому +120

    I watch lots of videos with similar interviews about shadow work.... but this interview is mind blowing!!!! It is packed with great amount of information. At 21 min when talking about culture that lives in lie, that part is essential. I see people, including myself, strangled by inability to truly express ourself. And somewhere along the way loosing complete trust and ability to know who we really are. Thank you for posting this video.

    • @aleksandrazwonarz3446
      @aleksandrazwonarz3446 4 роки тому +2

      Brett Curtis thank you for your reply. I think the more you allow yourself to know yourself, you see more light and you realize you’re part of something bigger. 🙏🏻

    • @johnbradburymyworkplaceculture
      @johnbradburymyworkplaceculture 4 роки тому

      @Brett Curtis That's a powerful observation Brett. It's a mind bender to think of that and what's left when one allows the illusion to die.

    • @johnbradburymyworkplaceculture
      @johnbradburymyworkplaceculture 4 роки тому

      @Brett Curtis Thanks I've been meditating on letting the illusion go since I read your comments. Best wishes.

    • @thementalself
      @thementalself 4 роки тому +1

      @@aleksandrazwonarz3446 absolutely.
      Consider similarities btwn JBP: 'the importance of aim'. When you do, the universe literally aligns in a way where you see more of what you need to see to move you towards your aim.
      And:
      The power of intention, within meditation practice.
      This video has also given me chills.
      Sounds like you're on the right track... x

    • @thefisherman2837
      @thefisherman2837 4 роки тому +1

      What are the shadows?

  • @emmetsweeney9236
    @emmetsweeney9236 4 роки тому +68

    For all you enlightened masters who've criticised this guy, he doesn't call himself a "master", that is a title given to him by the creator of the video, duh.

    • @nathanneufeld269
      @nathanneufeld269 4 роки тому +3

      Or given to him by the ranks he’s rose to in his practice, they gotta call it something I’d believe

    • @dalibor6151
      @dalibor6151 4 роки тому +3

      I dont agree, when the interviewer in the beggining calls him a Zen Master he nods his head in approval :P

    • @evancooper7336
      @evancooper7336 4 роки тому +5

      He also says, here I am, now a zen master, in samurai zen.

    • @cd1772
      @cd1772 4 роки тому +3

      Alexander Anderson have you ever seen eckhart tolle? If there’s any such thing as spiritual masters, he’s one. And he just bobs his head around while people yack their mouths at him just to get to the meat of the discussion

    • @Jessica-bp6lc
      @Jessica-bp6lc 4 роки тому +2

      I don’t think there is anything wrong with acknowledging a label others have given you. At the end he points out he has not “mastered zen” even if that is a title given him. Point being we all start somewhere and the work is never done in this lifetime.

  • @karma_moths
    @karma_moths 5 років тому +61

    "I must create a system or be enslaved by another mans; I will not reason or compare: my business is to create." - William Blake

  • @KiNiNjAzZ
    @KiNiNjAzZ 5 років тому +48

    Doshin Roshi speaks, and so many egos are reflected back to themselves. Perfect.

    • @rigavitch
      @rigavitch 4 роки тому +2

      Isn't it?!!!

    • @maybbebe
      @maybbebe 4 роки тому +3

      I sensed a lot of pent up rage and pain from his treatment as a child which is entwined in his delivery.. Coming from a hurt child ego place.

    • @LARRYOCpiano
      @LARRYOCpiano Рік тому +2

      trying to grow up living in one’s thoughts is surfacing as a common experience when it comes to spiritual pursuits.It always feels great to say “ I no longer feel alone about this.”

  • @estherwiskel6550
    @estherwiskel6550 4 роки тому +59

    I love Jordan, he is a very eloquent intellectual and he pours his whole heart into his research and delivery.
    His teachings are not convoluted, they are clear, succinct and comprehensible.

    • @delishme2
      @delishme2 4 роки тому +6

      He is the most morose man I have had the displeasure of listening too. And the man is a prescription junkie, which may go to understand why is so fucking miserable.... so ?? 🤷

    • @dusklvr
      @dusklvr 4 роки тому +4

      My favourite is when Petersen talks about how women would be happier to just be pretty and quiet. Barefoot and pregnant.
      Peterson and his ilk are what grows out of the push against independent women breaking through the BS and realizing that we need to be like men if we want equality.
      Patriarchy is pushing back against feminism. There will be many waves, it will get ugly.
      Economic independence for women will save society.

    • @elizabethjennings667
      @elizabethjennings667 4 роки тому +20

      @@dusklvr Peterson has refuted publicly numerous times that he is not against feminism defined as equal rights and opportunities for women. He is against forcing anyone, woman or man, to strive after goals that are pushed on them from outside. I am troubled that you define feminism as women "realizing we need to be like men."

    • @rachelwarburton1495
      @rachelwarburton1495 4 роки тому +9

      @@dusklvr Jordan Peterson has never said that. You clearly aren't listening to him when he speaks.

    • @rachelwarburton1495
      @rachelwarburton1495 4 роки тому +8

      @@delishme2 Get off your high horse. You clearly haven't listened to any of his personal battles because if you did you would be less judgmental. Calling someone a prescription junkie because they take medication for anxiety and depression is distasteful. Let me guess, your perfect in every way?!

  • @indiracamotim2858
    @indiracamotim2858 3 роки тому +6

    Thank you for this interview, Rebel Wisdom. I could listen to this man for hours on end and not get tired. What a delightfully and wonderfully alive person.
    Namaste 🙏🏻

  • @horizonized
    @horizonized 6 років тому +65

    I’m 59 and was told when I was no more than 13 that should I search my whole life, I could never find a true master. I wouldn’t recognize them as a master. They are invisible. They don’t look like a master. They look just like you and me. You don’t find them. They will find you when you are ready. I believe this. I will never give my power or subjugate my soul to another human being ever again. The priesthood is abolished. We are all masters. We just need to wake up to this reality. ‘“Noble have I created thee, why dost thou abase thyself? Arise for that which ye were created”.

    • @idiocracy10
      @idiocracy10 6 років тому +7

      do not tell me what to do, you are not the master of me. I will seek a master if I wish to.

    • @fubarusrex7457
      @fubarusrex7457 6 років тому +3

      A master would not subjugate your soul. "Master" means master of oneself.

    • @horizonized
      @horizonized 6 років тому +1

      jkm lol

    • @horizonized
      @horizonized 6 років тому +1

      Fubarus Rex, Not what I said. I said I would not.

    • @TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt
      @TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt 6 років тому +6

      The Zen is realizing that everything you discussed is nonsense and jibberish until the nature and extent of consciousness can be explained to the very last detail.
      It makes ZERO sense to make proclamations about there being an afterlife and a soul when one first cannot even define what consciousness is.
      These two fools in the video are known as educated idiots.

  • @jamesrossiter6319
    @jamesrossiter6319 4 роки тому +58

    “I’’m lucky to be alive, hahahahaha” I love this guy, he really is Zen. It’s so cool to see people that can just laugh at life itself.

    • @indiracamotim2858
      @indiracamotim2858 3 роки тому

      So true ! Incredible !!

    • @pameti.dragoblago
      @pameti.dragoblago Рік тому

      Figuring out how to pay my bills and which psychopath i need to deal with at work tomorrow gets me out of the zen zone quite quickly.

  • @marcinkryczka7044
    @marcinkryczka7044 4 роки тому +37

    So that is what Creed is doing on his retirement

  • @jasonmclaren8752
    @jasonmclaren8752 4 роки тому +6

    His voice and speech pattern is hypnotic.

  • @emmaleadbetter869
    @emmaleadbetter869 6 років тому +24

    I love this..I am hooked on this zen master..so honest and spoken in a realistic no bullshit way, a bit scary what he may see we are facing up ahead, I look to listen to his talks more to find out more about what he thinks. 👍

    • @edblair5253
      @edblair5253 5 років тому +3

      This zen master read all of Carl's work by 24 years old. Hahha. He is was very proud to tell us this. Hahahha. Just another egotistical human like the rest of us.

    • @edblair5253
      @edblair5253 5 років тому

      Reading equals understanding. Hahahh

    • @wilecatrexy
      @wilecatrexy 5 років тому +1

      What we are facing ahead is what was said in the bible about the end times.

    • @jijuyuzanmai6601
      @jijuyuzanmai6601 Рік тому

      Indeed, the authority this “zen master” claims comes entirely from the outside. There is no inner authority.

  • @brettdavidson1140
    @brettdavidson1140 6 років тому +26

    It is about time Doshin Roshi is in this conversation! The depth of his spiritual understanding, along with his expertise on Integral Theory, and Jungian psychology, makes him one of the only people in the world with the knowledge to dive into this deep pool. I am so grateful you had him on. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

    • @HungryMeshigaud
      @HungryMeshigaud 6 років тому +2

      Brett Davidson couldn’t agree more 🍵

    • @RunninUpThatHillh
      @RunninUpThatHillh 6 років тому +2

      Yup, you into right there with you. This is the conversation I needed to hear.

    • @Manu-ei1up
      @Manu-ei1up 6 років тому +3

      Brett Davidson, totally agree! Absolutely! If you spot it you got it!

    • @akompsupport
      @akompsupport 6 років тому +1

      Here here. Yes, this was a great, refreshing discussion! Lots of new material was covered. This is an important discussion.

    • @AlbertBalbastreMorte
      @AlbertBalbastreMorte 6 років тому +1

      What can you tell us about this guy?

  • @benwithann9877
    @benwithann9877 4 роки тому +239

    He speaks and acts like Jack Nicholson from the shining.

    • @TheKaizo
      @TheKaizo 4 роки тому +6

      "All work, no play, makes Jack a Dull boy..."

    • @SP-ny1fk
      @SP-ny1fk 4 роки тому +8

      Or just maybe you are only able to view the world through media references.

    • @BlurryDays
      @BlurryDays 4 роки тому +5

      I read this comment before he started talking and now I can't take this whole interview seriously.

    • @SP-ny1fk
      @SP-ny1fk 4 роки тому +1

      @@BlurryDays you let that influence your decision? Why is that?

    • @jpfrssnv
      @jpfrssnv 4 роки тому +3

      I detect shades of ASMR...

  • @rogerengland2821
    @rogerengland2821 4 роки тому +20

    Ten times rise, ten times fall, ten time fall and rise again.
    Everything has a cycle of existence. Even humanity's development.

    • @harrymears1623
      @harrymears1623 4 роки тому

      Sucks we're in the kali yuga, eh?

    • @tylerquiet8687
      @tylerquiet8687 3 роки тому

      Yes. Both individually and collectively. Muscle is not built with one rep or one set.
      The mind does not learn a language upon hearing it.

  • @xelaphilia
    @xelaphilia 6 років тому +12

    It is such a pleasure to hear a person with such deep knowledge speak about the illusion of the ego, the pseudo-spirituality and rampant narcissism of the postmodern ideology, and how true collective enlightenment can only be achieved through analysis of our dark individual selves. It's hard to be an empath in a world with so little compassion. But luckily there are bright souls with a bird view , who understands human suffering is only temporary. THANK YOU!

  • @conexionneuronal8820
    @conexionneuronal8820 5 років тому +34

    I find most of the comments despicable, I thought the zen master was brilliant

    • @Lobishomem
      @Lobishomem 4 роки тому

      Sounding a bit judgemental there. I didn't find him brilliant, does that make me despicable?

    • @ivandaniel08
      @ivandaniel08 4 роки тому +5

      Joel Edelstein no, you’re despicable despite.

    • @Trikfinity
      @Trikfinity 4 роки тому

      @@ivandaniel08 "+¹

    • @roastmaster2000
      @roastmaster2000 4 роки тому +3

      buddhism has nothing to do with left wing value systems: its its own beast.

    • @rachelaspogard6587
      @rachelaspogard6587 4 роки тому

      He’s a riot! 😜

  • @jayumble8390
    @jayumble8390 2 роки тому +5

    This interview is one of the most impactful interviews I have ever seen in the last few years...riveting...wow...wow...thank you! I had to watch this interview again...this is the real deal. Thank you Rebel Wisdom for producing this great content!!!

  • @arwawer
    @arwawer 4 роки тому +25

    Very interesting interview indeed. What stroke me particularly is your remark on collective shadow rising up form the cracks open by new media that has been kept closed by old fashion broadcasting media and our cultural schemes. Doshon said then, that we need to cope with it as a culture to.. survive. Living in the part of Europe that I live in, you always have in mind your options of survival in case politics goes wrong. I've been discussing the issue of society in hard times with few friends some time ago. The conversation started from a prepper perspective. We agreed that the attitude towards it by most of people would be to act alone or wihtin close family. In previous wars and conflicts people were surviving as a collective, guided by high standards of Christianity and what I call societal code of honor. We had the feeling that code is gone... People just feel so separated from each other. In case of a survival who would be a natural leader locally - who would be willing to hear him and sacrifice his/his family goods for the wider good? Priests do not have the trust they used to have before. Local governments either. Will we turn to the old "stronger wins" scheme? What a progress from shimpansees! ;) When you see the amount of poison creeping out form social media - the comments under this partcular video are no exception; it is astonishing how much of a shadow (plus tones of meaningless texting) is leaking out of our society members. The polarisation is growing and it penetrates various levels of daily live - from politics, to media, school programmes to ordinary chats within families and between friends. What's fueling it and how to stop it happening? Wouldn't be nice to return to the roots of the Jesus's teachings - love your neighbour as you love yourself? I do not mean religion - just the teaching. Love may be too high of a demand for modern human, but respect is a good starting pint, isn't it? ;)

    • @hanskloss7726
      @hanskloss7726 4 роки тому

      If society really collapses for longer, there will be quite some chaos and violence which will culminate in chieftains concentrating power again. There may be places where the dip after collapse will be less problematic of course. But generally I would not expect that possible putting resources together will be voluntarily.
      Most of preppers I can imagine to be preparing for rather smaller event where civilization has collapsed but withdrew for a short while.
      I hope we will not get to see who is right tho.

    • @arwawer
      @arwawer 4 роки тому +2

      @@hanskloss7726 I think you're right in terms of current attitude. IN previous wars and hard times - numerous upraisings and wars, people were acting different. 1st they were much more independent form technology and self-sufficient (in the rural communities at least). 2nd there was a strong attitude of helping each other, that was the core of Christian teaching very vital in XIX and beginning of XX century. It was still there during 2nd World War, where people were risking their lives to save Jewish neighbors - Germans put that as "crime" punishable by death of a WHOLE family here in Poland. Honestly I can't imagine the risk of going for it. There were naturally bad examples, but there were banned and panlized with by the Underground State (people revealing Jews were killed by default). People had very strong feeling of common fatherland, that was thought in schools and present in the code of honour. I am afraid that attitude in society is now long gone. The idea of fatherland is being ridiculed, people calling themselves patriots are named fascists. Media are doing great job of polarising people in various ways. The politics became a game in good old fashion Roman spirit to keep people busy with rubbish instead of asking difficult questions. Coming back to Jung's ideas about shadow as a built-in part of personality and society, look how much of it is coming out in social media. It is astonishing. Doshon is IMO right - when we don't cope with it at the highest levels of societal thinking and teaching, we will be literally lost - in times of prosperity and in hard strike of a survival situation. The glue making us society is less and less strong and thinning. If we are sailing towards a common planetary common wealth, the skipper course goes through making nations fade into a big uniform society, what will guarantee the high quality of govenrment? We have had a brutal examples of idea-driven societies in 3rd Reich and USSR. USSR built in theory on the rules of equality ended up in tyranny of Lenin, Stalin and harsh governing of their followers. Fanatic believe in Ideas is dangerous - followers assume that the reality should catch up with the utopia. It would not be that dangerous if we could only debate about it freely and widely - as long it is not the case the odds are dark and tension raises.

    • @hanskloss7726
      @hanskloss7726 4 роки тому

      @@arwawer Only government can guarantee high quality of government. We peasants can just from time to time threaten with pitchforks but that is all.
      You refer to Christianity - I think that is only one religion. I am sure my Muslim neighbours will be holding together much stronger than the remaining society but this too can depend on other factors. How far has destruction gone and what are chances for recovery of state power, how big city one lives and how multikulti the society is, makes a difference too.
      I would argue that in times of great external pressure I would be more likely seeking cooperation with fellow believers. Language barrier plays a role too - in places where that is a hard barrier we can foresee violence between competing groups.
      As for the social cohesion - there are always moves one or other direction. We currently slowed down slightly on the way to a global village. I suppose there are local communities that hold together and others that are just bunch of strangers. This will ever be there as this is how humans operate.
      It is also indeed first time that big parts of the world are so interconnected that parts of economy just dissolve if you stop trade completely. The society is more stable this way as it is almost unimaginable that the trade can stop but anther Currington like event and we are done at least for a while.
      70ya people had supplies at home. Today I hardly have anything. Although I started thinking about getting some after I read about what my gov. is doing with electricity supply systems.
      Big things are beyond our control. A web of helpers is a good thing in any situation.

    • @arwawer
      @arwawer 4 роки тому +1

      @@hanskloss7726 Well, I did not mean Christianity as a religion itself, but rather as a provider of a code to respect others - all of them. Religion in hard time does not matter, as long it is not exclusive - I mean as long it does not exclude not-believers from the same level of quality. I think personally the teaching (not religion) of Jesus is not exclusive and in fact goes beyond tribal approaches of some religions, dividing people to: us (treated fairly as equal members of society ) and them - unbelievers, who are treated as lesser kind of people. Well, that tribal traditions are old and it would be nice if they would evolve to catch up into "modern" egalitarian concepts, but odd for it to happen are not that good, at least not in our lifetime. ;)

    • @FarmersAreCool
      @FarmersAreCool 4 роки тому

      We use Christianity to decentralize and renew the state. Or they kill us all.

  • @joeroganjosh9333
    @joeroganjosh9333 6 років тому +313

    Next week, a Diesel Mechanic talks about Jordan Peterson.

    • @RatatRatR
      @RatatRatR 6 років тому +17

      Why wait till next week when we have that very thing in the comment section...

    • @alexcaskie6054
      @alexcaskie6054 6 років тому +49

      Diesel mechanics understand timing and compression. Which is partly Zen in of itself.

    • @dianneb2224
      @dianneb2224 6 років тому +3

      Hahahahahahaha!

    • @mattspintosmith5285
      @mattspintosmith5285 6 років тому +5

      The diesel mechanic might be very good. I look forward to it :-)

    • @johncaash7868
      @johncaash7868 6 років тому +2

      richard brewster - Very funny

  • @andrewselden2244
    @andrewselden2244 4 роки тому +40

    Maybe the insight is that Jordan Peterson has the humility not to prescribe solutions, but only to illuminate dysfunctionality.

    • @bliss4383
      @bliss4383 4 роки тому +5

      @@athousandIQ I'd say JP does what all Talk Therapists do - make people, particularly young men, think for themselves in order to clean up their act by first telling them to "clean up their room." Most young males today are not graduating college, are direction-less and really need a father figure to guide them.
      The Zen Master said Narcissism is exploding. I've heard two psychologists express similar thoughts; one said Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a pandemic, while the other, who has worked worldwide, says NPD is an epidemic. The Narcissism is a cover for their low sense of self-worth. It's rooted in early child abuse and neglect. Higher divorce rates, broken homes, and like Elton John sang, "In the end, nobody wins, and it's the innocent who pay when broken dreams get in the way."

    • @martyslazenger935
      @martyslazenger935 3 роки тому +1

      Jordan Peterson is just another alt-right grifter.

    • @tylerquiet8687
      @tylerquiet8687 3 роки тому

      A decent thought. However, prescriptions can still be presented in another format. In fact Peterson does do this, in every piece of advice he gives to young men on what to do in their day to day lives.
      Ideas dont exist in a vacuum, and I doubt Peterson's prescriptions to the questions posed are uninformed by his perception of the dysfunction.
      Actually they have to be, he is obsessed with coherence, as he should be.

    • @tylerquiet8687
      @tylerquiet8687 3 роки тому

      @@martyslazenger935 That's highly reductionist. You have to undo the ideas before you undo the man like that. Can you? No, otherwise you would have already attempted it. But here you are shooting an empty gun.

    • @stephenbrown2054
      @stephenbrown2054 3 роки тому

      Ken Wildbur prescribed and look where he is: a victim of his own pride.

  • @flexiblethinker6641
    @flexiblethinker6641 4 роки тому +69

    One thing that can be common of people who wish to influence people beyond the strength of their ideas is the use of a whispering voice and low tone. A lot of what he said opens up boxes but I'm not fully trusting his intentions. Another alert for me is when he states words to the effect that he knows the truth, that others don't quite have it and then won't state what it is. This doesn't seem any different from the style of any charismatic theological leader who's intent is to gather followers. I'll take what I think is useful but I'm cautious.

    • @coreycox2345
      @coreycox2345 4 роки тому +1

      It could be that there is no cost to you in sitting back and seeing what he does next. I could be wrong, but think that a cult would quickly reject me for my tendency to blurt the thoughts that strike me as the truth, or maybe murder me, depending on the cult. I have wondered if I could be brainwashed after thinking I had a religious experience after watching the TV series "Kung Fu," but it still seems unlikely. Sometimes the best thing to do is nothing.

    • @buffaloprufrock854
      @buffaloprufrock854 4 роки тому

      Bang on, he should be in a horror goblin movie.

    • @bengrizzlyadams6187
      @bengrizzlyadams6187 4 роки тому +4

      He means that the sea is an electrolyte and earth works like a redox flow battery/generator, but he cannot say it in public.

    • @coreycox2345
      @coreycox2345 4 роки тому

      @@bengrizzlyadams6187 That sounds like a religion I could fall for.

    • @hanskloss7726
      @hanskloss7726 4 роки тому

      I suppose he has to speak like this to get people to listen to him. It is just one technique.
      Besides you came here to get influenced or ?

  • @lydiarowe491
    @lydiarowe491 4 роки тому

    So much joy derived from this interaction..so open and very refreshing..beautiful timing for many to reminded ..fogetting can bring such a sense of frustration...being reminded..eases these symptoms..thankyou so much🌳

  • @draak88
    @draak88 5 років тому +16

    This Zen master would be an awesome voiceover for some RPG games' characters :)

  • @Vermelho_Sh
    @Vermelho_Sh 6 років тому +8

    His voice. That's pure ASMR.

    • @louisdackombe
      @louisdackombe 6 років тому +2

      Lucas Gröess , kind of sounds to me like the actor who played “The Architect” in The Matrix movie

  • @trentp151
    @trentp151 4 роки тому +9

    That story about the lake really hit me hard. I fear that Roshi's spot on with his analysis.

  • @william_griffin
    @william_griffin 5 років тому +7

    Thank you UA-cam, for throwing this up in my feed. Subscribed and a very happy man.

  • @crazzyross
    @crazzyross 6 років тому +38

    This guy speaks Truth. A great interviewer as well whom has obviously done good personal work.
    If you stand in judgment of his laugh or manner of delivery, equating it to egoic indulgence, I trust there is a mirror in your bathroom you are able to reflect in.
    There are many realized Beings who will say the exact same thing to you in a different manner. Go forth and find your favorite flavor of ice cream.
    P.S. ~ they are all delicious.

    • @tomfisher9089
      @tomfisher9089 6 років тому +1

      Realized being? What exactly does that mean to you?

    • @crazzyross
      @crazzyross 6 років тому +1

      Pick a synonym that suites your palette, Good Sir 🙏🏻

    • @odedbor11
      @odedbor11 5 років тому

    • @gardenboundbylove2193
      @gardenboundbylove2193 5 років тому

    • @uubeerdude
      @uubeerdude 5 років тому

      This is, however, really, really funny.

  • @nicolediebel2606
    @nicolediebel2606 5 років тому +23

    this interview spoke to my soul. Thank you!

  • @108bhavani
    @108bhavani 4 роки тому +1

    I am enjoying this discussion so much I am entering once again a phase of immersion in teachings , it maybe the only antidote to the impact of the ills of our world . These talks /videos are a blessing

  • @matthewarmington4960
    @matthewarmington4960 5 років тому +4

    This guy is awesome. First time listening/seeing him... love it!

  • @nicolebelanger4745
    @nicolebelanger4745 6 років тому +31

    I dont get why his laughing disturbs so many. I enjoyed his sense of humour because the discussion was heavy,very heavy at times and his laughter lightened the load. That’ s a good thing.

    • @akompsupport
      @akompsupport 6 років тому +1

      It disturbs them b/c they subconsciously know what it portends.

    • @mysticaltyger2009
      @mysticaltyger2009 6 років тому +3

      People just love to find reasons to nitpick. The message is what matters. But when it makes people uncomfortable, they nitpick on things like style, delivery, and other superficial things.

    • @tripzville7569
      @tripzville7569 5 років тому +1

      Agreed@@mysticaltyger2009

    • @Heavymanners0
      @Heavymanners0 5 років тому +2

      Fake laugh

    • @GrowLLLTigeRRR
      @GrowLLLTigeRRR 5 років тому +2

      To me it sounds disingenuous as if it is done for effect only and not really felt.

  • @niallofloinn1881
    @niallofloinn1881 5 років тому +9

    When a Chinese politician was asked what he thought of the industrial revolution he answered " It's much too early to tell"

    • @criss5405
      @criss5405 5 років тому +3

      He was an envious commie.

  • @mattspintosmith5285
    @mattspintosmith5285 4 роки тому +3

    I keep coming back to this. A Zen Master talking Spiral Dynamics - deep joy.

  • @monicacruz4407
    @monicacruz4407 4 роки тому +7

    I’d like to say something about the masculine/feminine dichotomy and the confusion it causes. It’’s heart rending to see women that have switched off their femininity to work in worlds created by men (politics, finance, business), and just as bad, to see men struggling to know how to express their masculinity without fear. My view is very laden with my South American/English mixed heritage, for sure. For me as a woman, the worst aspect of how I have experienced masculine power in my life has been control. I have to take responsibility for having let that control get out of control (in abusive relationships), but the loss of energy and creativity that control engenders, is massive. It takes very strong people to be comfortable with the other having control of his/her “stuff” within any relationship, there has to be a very open negotiation before and during any relationship, a constant dialogue (narcissistic individuals cannot do this, an increasing problem). Also it has to be seen that male/female energy is not necessarily resident in male/female form, I’m thinking of Bill and Hilary Clinton, Bill empathic, listening, Hilary, strategic, analytic. We have to think more about complementing each other instead of agonizing over our sex, or warping our sexual power by looking at the media, this is the real threat, a huge distraction and destabilizing force. Thank you both 🙏

  • @mgriff0309
    @mgriff0309 6 років тому +7

    Exactly the conversation I was hoping to hear, great job!

  • @cspace1234nz
    @cspace1234nz 5 років тому +17

    This guy, brilliant, what an actor. Sure beats working for a living !

    • @SP-ny1fk
      @SP-ny1fk 4 роки тому +1

      We're all actors. Some recognise it.

    • @matthiasamaderro6102
      @matthiasamaderro6102 4 роки тому +1

      @@SP-ny1fk Just what I thought, thank you! :D

  • @JimmyRa6s
    @JimmyRa6s 4 роки тому +2

    He's got this....what a time to be alive...his answers are in his laughter. Sooo good to know I'm not crazy

  • @123lebornjames
    @123lebornjames 4 роки тому

    Man i can Thank the zen master enough but also interviewer with such great authenticity and kindness. I see the spark too in his eyes. Keep at it 🙏🏿❤️

  • @acnudus
    @acnudus 6 років тому +269

    next interview a ninja master about Peterson

    • @RebelWisdom
      @RebelWisdom  6 років тому +35

      Might be a bit muffled

    • @dexstewart2450
      @dexstewart2450 6 років тому +20

      It happened - you didn't see it...

    • @bigfletch8
      @bigfletch8 6 років тому +3

      @@thaliagarcia9684 Better to see Buddah "AS" the road and of course, the road is within.

    • @bigfletch8
      @bigfletch8 6 років тому

      @@thaliagarcia9684 In Zen , there is no " thats what it means" Your comment implies that my comments should be as "someone else" feels like. Without is the observation, within, the observer/projector. Satouri includes observing without projecting. Of course you will interpret this in tune with your current level of consciousness.

    • @TheAncientOneOfDays
      @TheAncientOneOfDays 6 років тому +3

      Ahahaha! I'm glad I'll see a Ninja speak, because for the past 10 years I tried attending the yearly Ninja parade in town, but so far they went unnoticed... Can't wait!

  • @CliffordStarks1
    @CliffordStarks1 6 років тому +136

    Nice interview! My belief we are similar to moving plants. Our environment plays a critical role into how we perceive the world and how we act on our perception. The best type of peace is inner peace. The best way to change the world is to look within. With that said I will continue to look within and continue do my best to be my best 👍

    • @akompsupport
      @akompsupport 6 років тому +9

      Top comment!

    • @CliffordStarks1
      @CliffordStarks1 6 років тому +3

      @@akompsupport Thank you Emanuel👍

    • @transferdatathreewally24
      @transferdatathreewally24 6 років тому +2

      Clifford Starks well said fellow, Iain w in glasgow uk

    • @CliffordStarks1
      @CliffordStarks1 6 років тому +1

      @@transferdatathreewally24 Thank you friend 👍

    • @transferdatathreewally24
      @transferdatathreewally24 6 років тому +3

      Clifford Starks you are welcome. I haven't listened to the clip yet but Peterson is an interesting man. I have not come across any commentators who delve into Carl Jung in any meaningful way and I think jung has much value. I also like alan watts ( plenty on UA-cam) who has an appreciation of physics and spirituality. We live in strange times with much change. We need to nourish our minds and spirits with care as we would our bodies with food in the event of illness and infection. I wish you well

  • @ShawnStack1
    @ShawnStack1 4 роки тому +2

    For those that don’t dig this cat...I am with you. For those that do dig this cat, I’m also with you. There is something to learn from him, for sure...I am grateful for his sharing.

  • @juricakalcina987
    @juricakalcina987 2 роки тому

    What a beautiful interview! Love it

  • @johnharrison3001
    @johnharrison3001 4 роки тому +17

    23:20 - 26:20 The endless cycle of rescuer, victim, perpetrator is being played out; with postmodernity in the rescuer role, keeping the poor premodern the victim forever, and the modern as the scapegoat, who is pushed out into the desert, carrying everyone's sins. To this we bring witness. A Jungian quaternity.

    • @talastra
      @talastra 4 роки тому

      Always need to recognize the quaternity, yes.

  • @amranha_
    @amranha_ 4 роки тому +5

    That "one hand clapping" stuff, just blew my mind.

  • @primitiveways7183
    @primitiveways7183 3 роки тому

    Brilliant .thank you for the interview.

  • @rechanasivadasan1779
    @rechanasivadasan1779 4 роки тому

    This was an awakening of sorts! Thanks Rebel Wisdom for a peep into such a great mind!

  • @tylermohr25
    @tylermohr25 6 років тому +18

    I love this channel, so much eye opening material here.

  • @RAlN71
    @RAlN71 4 роки тому +14

    Eruption of the shadow, yes. It will be messy.

  • @sagesingh
    @sagesingh 4 роки тому

    His way of speaking is very pleasant which makes it easy to follow thank you!

  • @michaelprice3795
    @michaelprice3795 4 роки тому

    Thank you both.

  • @brucelivingston2220
    @brucelivingston2220 6 років тому +43

    Lol, I love how the Zen guy talks, his delivery is fantastic.

    • @MetaMM
      @MetaMM 6 років тому +1

      Love, love, love it too.

    • @The2ndCuz
      @The2ndCuz 6 років тому +2

      you seem not to understand what a Zen master is....pretty common thinking you have, like the copy metaphor you just gave

    • @fortuner123
      @fortuner123 6 років тому

      You must be as stupid as him if you like it.

    • @The2ndCuz
      @The2ndCuz 6 років тому

      bahaha says who? you? ah relax man! your opinion is not that important *)

  • @jenniferdavidson-davidsonh1037
    @jenniferdavidson-davidsonh1037 6 років тому +5

    I have been waiting for Doshin to show up in this conversation! Thanks so much for having him on. A wonderful, brilliant, insightful conversation!

  • @m.k.styllinski2452
    @m.k.styllinski2452 Рік тому

    What a great interview. Thank you for this.

  • @thementalself
    @thementalself 4 роки тому

    Wow. Thank you both.
    💙🙏💙

  • @skipskiperton4992
    @skipskiperton4992 4 роки тому +42

    “Nobody sees what I see “
    What is it?
    “I’d rather not say”. 🙄

    • @ModernTruthRevelation
      @ModernTruthRevelation 4 роки тому +6

      Most of the truth cannot be expressed by words. Words are stationary, world is not.
      This is the thought behind his this act I suppose.

    • @harrymears1623
      @harrymears1623 4 роки тому +2

      @@ModernTruthRevelation the Tao that can be trodden ..

    • @talastra
      @talastra 4 роки тому +3

      Lowest point int he interview.

    • @cxa011500
      @cxa011500 4 роки тому +1

      It's a very zen thing to say

    • @heroicjourney2508
      @heroicjourney2508 4 роки тому

      🤣🤣🤣

  • @HladniSjeverniVjetar
    @HladniSjeverniVjetar 6 років тому +104

    All people that speak in a soft theatrical voice make me bring up barriers since it all looks like performance and them wanting to sell me something. No thanks.

    • @christianriddler5063
      @christianriddler5063 6 років тому +19

      So if the truth came to you in this form you would rather live in ignorance?

    • @christianriddler5063
      @christianriddler5063 6 років тому +12

      If you percieve the truth as your truth it is no longer the truth but your own view of reality tainted by your own biases and memories. The truth must stand seperate from you entierly, only then will it be the truth. Following a dogma is not all bad, there are absolute rules and laws in the natural world that we cannot erase, such as gravity. Other such laws exist in human nature and there are certain things about humans that you will never be able to change, such as irrationality. So instead of spinning our tires in the mud trying to escape these truths we instead create a dogma around them in order to prosper under the laws of nature.

    • @christianriddler5063
      @christianriddler5063 6 років тому +5

      By following the laws of nature, by living in symbiosis with the truth we embrace it.

    • @HladniSjeverniVjetar
      @HladniSjeverniVjetar 6 років тому +1

      I don't disagree, i'm just saying each person has his own truth since you can not separate the ego from the persons viewpoint, so each person see's the truth in his own way no matter what. I don't think you understood what i meant. I was talking specifically about dogmatic views of people that follow certain religions and sects and such. Obviously reality is reality so i don't really understand what you mean.

    • @FreeSilio
      @FreeSilio 6 років тому +3

      "One dogma replacing another just to be edgy"
      I agree that such things happen very often. People understand that the dogmas they formerly accepted are wrong and then change their dogmas with different ones instead of changing their dogmatic mindset.

  • @ben300ethos4
    @ben300ethos4 4 роки тому

    Fantastic Interview. Thank you.

  • @francescol.bellman9670
    @francescol.bellman9670 5 років тому

    Great job. Thanks for sharing.

  • @jenwilcher1354
    @jenwilcher1354 6 років тому +28

    Doshin Nelson Roshi reminds me of the Roshi of the Rinzai Zen community I used to be a part of (only left because the practices were becoming more like a chore than something I hungered for). Didn't get a creepy vibe at all, but I can understand why some might feel that way. It's not easy having your own shit reflected back at you, especially if you'd rather not deal with it.

    • @mieszkomieszko
      @mieszkomieszko 6 років тому +1

      Would not the extinguishing of all life be the end of Samsara?

    • @garagavia
      @garagavia 6 років тому

      Mieszko Manijak No, that would be missing the point. That is like saying everyone dying ends wars.

    • @mieszkomieszko
      @mieszkomieszko 6 років тому

      Exactly. Which would imply that the end of Samsara is not the sole ultimate goal.

    • @jenwilcher1354
      @jenwilcher1354 6 років тому +1

      Wouldn't the ultimate goal be to see it for what it is and not get so attached that it eslaves you?

    • @mieszkomieszko
      @mieszkomieszko 6 років тому

      OK, that is the end of individual samsara. Why talk then?

  • @apologiacontra6992
    @apologiacontra6992 6 років тому +13

    So John Locke is no longer LOST

    • @tasfa10
      @tasfa10 5 років тому +2

      It's not John. It's the smoke monster in John's body

  • @secretivescorpio891
    @secretivescorpio891 4 роки тому +1

    No idea how I found myself watching this video.
    First few minutes I thought this is beyond me but the Zen guy was intriguing, the way he spoke compelled me to watch more. The more I watched the more I realised I understood,
    I enjoyed this so much

  • @drweetabix
    @drweetabix 5 років тому +1

    Excellent video.

  • @mcohen1966
    @mcohen1966 6 років тому +10

    So good. Grateful for the work you are doing to connect the work of JBP and Integral. Happy to support you on Patreon. Keep going!

  • @careym3901
    @careym3901 6 років тому +18

    "Diggin' in the dirt,find the places we got hurt..." Peter Gabriel

    • @rickardselander5942
      @rickardselander5942 6 років тому

      Those lyrics also poped into my head when he said "digging in the dirt"...

    • @timbragg9684
      @timbragg9684 5 років тому

      Thanks for this. I just wrote (and had published) 'Lyrics to Live by' - and will do a second book. And I am rather inclined to use this lyric. I did get to mention Peter Gabriel in LTLB - and managed to get his first name spelt wrong! One of those annoying typos that happens 'down the line'.

  • @kjs1069
    @kjs1069 3 роки тому

    Great interview. Many gems spoken & recognised.

  • @roshanaariel
    @roshanaariel Рік тому

    Loved this so much! Thank you!

  • @LeonardoLazarteAMVcreator
    @LeonardoLazarteAMVcreator 3 роки тому +12

    "What do you see?"
    "...I'd rather not say"
    Me: "Holy mother of god... just how f%cked up are we?"

    • @punkfudboop2854
      @punkfudboop2854 3 роки тому +1

      Mabie it’s are responsibility to find out for our selfs.

    • @tylerquiet8687
      @tylerquiet8687 3 роки тому

      It's very wise to not say. If one turns left twice, they land in the same spot.

  • @OldBillOverHill
    @OldBillOverHill 6 років тому +9

    Having actually built the hardware of the internet, I have to say we felt the potential of the technology to lead us into a "new Age". Now to see it unfolding is awesome. I see only the labor pains and smell the fear. What we have gestated and how it will manifest is fluid. We stand looking into the abyss with our backs to the cliff. A bridge can be seen at our feet receding into the veil, what lies below is shrouded in fog. I feel the fear of falling that must be overcome. Collectively we will either take the steps to start the journey into the unknown or fall into the abyss. Either path leads to the future.

    • @Orthodoxi
      @Orthodoxi 5 років тому

      OldBillOverHill beautiful prose.

    • @MichaelRyanEpley
      @MichaelRyanEpley 5 років тому

      Any journey is begun with a first step. Groups do not take individual steps. You can only change the world by changing within. Then you hope your example spreads.

    • @permaculturedandfree2448
      @permaculturedandfree2448 5 років тому

      We cant stop it now...A.I is here to stay

    • @MichaelRyanEpley
      @MichaelRyanEpley 5 років тому

      @@permaculturedandfree2448 Ain't nothing settled. Never was. Never will be. Not until you make it so.

    • @permaculturedandfree2448
      @permaculturedandfree2448 5 років тому

      @@MichaelRyanEpley Artificial intelligence

  • @jameslloyd949
    @jameslloyd949 4 роки тому

    Absolute pleasure to watch

  • @mechanicjobs
    @mechanicjobs 4 роки тому

    Fascinating interview.👍🇨🇦❤️

  • @Eudamonia-123
    @Eudamonia-123 6 років тому +3

    Wonderful content...thanks, keep it up. I love your new channel.
    PS, I’m still distracted by the blown out backgrounds. Need shadows, contrast and soft colors.

  • @heystupidopenthedoor
    @heystupidopenthedoor 6 років тому +34

    Can you release an unedited version of this interview? I get that Mr. Roshi kind of rambles but I'm interested in what he says in the rather jarring edits

    • @sirdonaldofthewarcry
      @sirdonaldofthewarcry 6 років тому +1

      Full disclosure, please, the only way forward.

    • @RebelWisdom
      @RebelWisdom  6 років тому +4

      There's not much cut out of this. It may seem choppy because we had some audio issues

    • @swhite1702
      @swhite1702 5 років тому

      They just cut out his laughing at his own jokes because they weren't funny anyway.

    • @ulrohermit1369
      @ulrohermit1369 4 роки тому

      @@swhite1702 they were, but you wouldn't get it ...

  • @ravenousq
    @ravenousq 5 років тому +1

    Wow, absolutely looooooove this guy!

  • @kbruff2010
    @kbruff2010 4 роки тому

    Thank you for this video.

  • @benhackl6956
    @benhackl6956 6 років тому +13

    This Zen Master loves to hear himself talk. But if you can put that aside, it's an interesting conversation never the less. We gotta cut Zen Masters some slack, they're just humans after all :) Great channel and superb questions from the interviewer! Thank you

    • @lotusstar347
      @lotusstar347 5 років тому

      I agree. A perfect performance as a Zen master. Pretentious. "I don't want to tell you what I see." Oh my...

    • @frequentlycynical642
      @frequentlycynical642 5 років тому +2

      Good lord. It's an interview. He is asked questions, he answers them. Why are you unclear on the concept?

  • @afterthesmash
    @afterthesmash 4 роки тому +21

    15:00 I brag about my (nearly) unlimited access to my trillion dollar library of all the greatest thought in recorded history to everyone I know, most of whom somehow didn't seem to get the same memo that I got. What did _they_ get instead? For many of them, an invitation to a permanent front-row seat at a pan-galactic shouting match. We seem to enter the same building through the same door, but our experience on the inside is worlds apart.

  • @mugenjin8158
    @mugenjin8158 4 роки тому

    This is pure awesomness👍🏻👍🏻!

  • @vincentlaw1415
    @vincentlaw1415 4 роки тому +2

    Damn I love this guy xD he is having a blast and such a joy to listen to.

  • @breft3416
    @breft3416 4 роки тому +15

    I really admire people who can carve out a niche of doing absolutely nothing and make it pay.

    • @MCGeddelti
      @MCGeddelti 4 роки тому +3

      you suppose that there is something to do in life apart from being

  • @ramirogallardo3844
    @ramirogallardo3844 4 роки тому +7

    This guy was right, JP got a whiff of what was coming. Gives me chills.

  • @maryrose811
    @maryrose811 4 роки тому

    very interesting and insightful. both the questions and the answers.

  • @fernandobaetajr
    @fernandobaetajr 4 роки тому

    Very important! Congratulations!

  • @micheleparadis2808
    @micheleparadis2808 6 років тому +43

    I'm sure Jordan Petersen has compassion for them. But I think he intuitively feels that the ONLY way to get some message to them is to be fatherly (not grandfatherly). Sometimes you need a 'kick in the butt'. You need to be told "Enough of this nonsense, get your act together"...

    • @christianriddler5063
      @christianriddler5063 6 років тому +2

      I agree with that. It might very well be that Jordan Peterson would think that seeing as how intelligent he is. Pluss, a father figure is far more confrontational and I believe that is what is needed.

    • @jsab0
      @jsab0 6 років тому +2

      Gotta know your audience and what the situation calls for. Dictators don't respond to niceties and will respect you even less if that's your tactic. Also, some of the ancient Zen Masters would physically hit, swat and beat students out of complacency.

    • @micheleparadis2808
      @micheleparadis2808 6 років тому

      jsab0 I'm a hippie anti-establishment babyboomer, can't help myself. The worst thing you can do is coddle and even encourage complacency. When a millenial calls me 'Boomer' with a sneer, I get nauseous.

    • @NellSmith
      @NellSmith 6 років тому

      Jordan Peterson needs a kick in the butt. But I doubt those who put him where he is will allow much of THAT... ;)

    • @micheleparadis2808
      @micheleparadis2808 6 років тому

      Nell Smith Typical Millenial Snowflake: when someone tells you something REMOTELY different than "you're special" you don't react well, to use an euphemism

  • @drytool
    @drytool 6 років тому +35

    Wow, that dude was intense. I’d like to see a discussion between him and Jordan Peterson

    • @dharma-samsthapanarthaya7456
      @dharma-samsthapanarthaya7456 6 років тому

      Idk he seemed like a relatively nice genuine chap to me, even if a just a tiny bit smug with all the philosophical insight he has accumulated but hey that's something really kind of hard to avoid... especially considering his upbringing... I feel bad that the nuns beat him :/
      And that he isn't at all interested in the possibility of transcendental realities and soul such as they are presented in the Veda-scriptures for example.

    • @drytool
      @drytool 6 років тому

      Very possible, can't really verify anything he says, but if you could... I'll stick with reason & evidence, though

  • @deborahrose8621
    @deborahrose8621 4 роки тому +1

    I love the mazes that lead me to these videos.

  • @tonyedmonds1538
    @tonyedmonds1538 4 роки тому

    An amazingly soothing voice.

  • @greatmomentsofopera7170
    @greatmomentsofopera7170 6 років тому +10

    6:20 - actually Jordan frequently says that the post modernists got lots of things very right - most importantly that there is in fact no canonical way of interpreting a text or the world. An unbelievably important and potentially shattering discovery. In a sense, his whole project is offering a way out of that mire, given its truth.
    And also, he as a psychoanalyst he understands the dark side of Green all too well, and its dark side has been manifesting extremely strongly at this time.

    • @criss5405
      @criss5405 5 років тому

      Postmodernism as an ideology is different from relativism as a method.

    • @edblair5253
      @edblair5253 5 років тому

      Yes. This zen master read all of Carl's work by 24 years old. Hahha. He is was very proud to tell us this. Did you see his face? Neither did he. Hahahha. Just another egotistical human like the rest of us

  • @muchmiller2980
    @muchmiller2980 5 років тому +12

    prejudice against prejudice, zero tolerance of intolerance.... one of the ironies of the post modern "enlightenment"!!!!!

    • @edblair5253
      @edblair5253 5 років тому +1

      This zen master read all of Carl's work by 24 years old. Hahha. He is was very proud to tell us this. Did you see his face? Neither did he. Hahahha. Just another egotistical human like the rest of us

    • @poetsrear
      @poetsrear 5 років тому +1

      @@edblair5253 Shouldn't you make a difference then, if you so well percieve this? Why repeat the mistake you seem to point out?

    • @slimdusty6328
      @slimdusty6328 4 роки тому

      So it still remains that our existence is not perfect. Therefore human are still left to enter into discussion and to make decision in this way.This Zen master claims that nobodies been telling the truth, and that's the truth. So the same problem still remain,why the hell should we have reason to believe him then?
      This is the problem with this idea of gaining answer, from "something greater than ourselves" . We still require to "use ourselves", so as to supposedly gain access to this so called "greater knowledge" . At the end of the day we will still need to place faith and trust, in a human
      No real way of escaping it is there. Never is
      Therefore this whole argument seems baseless. Like splitting hairs. Make me wonder if its just that wannabe guru, are perhaps more so feeling afraid that their own position of power, might be fading?.

  • @paigebyers4857
    @paigebyers4857 3 роки тому

    ENJOYED THIS PERSPECTIVE.

  • @chadwebber3396
    @chadwebber3396 4 роки тому

    Amazing talk!