PALESTINE | Time for UN Membership?
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- Could Palestine be on course for full international recognition and UN membership? In January 2024, the British Foreign Secretary, Lord Cameron, suggested that the United Kingdom may reverse its longstanding policy and recognise a Palestinian state before a final definitive agreement with Israel. Since then, the United States and France have also suggested that they are investigating the possibility of recognition. This could signal a significant step in the longstanding Middle Eastern conflict, where the idea of Palestinian statehood has been central to regional tensions, wars, and geopolitical strife for nearly eight decades. But what would such a step really mean for Palestine and the Palestinians?
Palestine - also known as the State of Palestine, the Occupied Palestinian Territories, and the Palestinian Territories - comprises the West Bank and Gaza Strip, spans approximately 6,220 square kilometres and is home to around 5 million people. Its history is marred by conquests from ancient to modern times. In 1947, the United Nations proposed partition, dividing it into two separate Arab and Jewish states. This led to Israel's declaration of independence in 1948 and the First Arab-Israeli War. Following this, Palestinians were left stateless and fragmented, leading to decades of conflict and political struggle for statehood, highlighted by the Palestine Liberation Organisation’s (PLO) fight against Israel. In 1988, a Palestinian State was declared. But despite widespread recognition, observer status at the UN, and steps towards self-governance, including the Oslo Accords in the early 1990s, genuine statehood remains distant - not least because full UN membership is blocked by the US, Britain and France. However, with the war in Gaza and hostility to Palestinian statehood by the Netanyahu administration, there are suggestions that the three countries may be changing their positions. But would recognition, and even full UN membership, really be a game-changer?
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00:00 Introduction and Titles
00:46 Palestine Statehood and International Security
01:38 Palestine: Location and Population
02:34 The History of Palestine until Partition
03:54 The Palestinians after 1948
05:03 The Palestinian Declaratioin of Independence, 1988
06:11 A Peace Agreement with Israel
08:22 Palestine and USA, UK and France Recognition?
09:33 The Benefits of Recognition and UN Membership
11:06 The Problems of Palestinian Recognition
13:04 Will Britain, France, and the USA Recognise Palestine?
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David Cameron’s suggestion that Britain could recognise Palestinian statehood before a final negotiated settlement with Israel certainly came as a surprise. So too did suggestions that the US and France are also looking into the idea. But do you really believe it could happen? And would it even change anything? If not, what do you think should happen? As always, I look forward to your thoughts and comments below.
What are the options here? A two-state solution or Israel continues to occupy the area indefinitely. The later as we have seen is unsustainable. It's not a question of what could be done but more a question of when. When is the world going to realize the old ways of settling conflict through wars has never, nor will it ever be a long-lasting solution to any problem. Every human being deserves to be treated with respect and a feeling of equality. I doubt we will see that realization in my lifetime.
I am somewhat optimistic, once a more moderate government comes to power in Israel. Before that, Gaza will be wiped out though. But Israel has desocuppied territories in the past.
Israel will probably cut diplomatic ties witj the UK if the UK supports Palestinian statehood since that would be seen as them rewarding the Palestine for the October 7th attacks.
@Todd.B why is it unsustainable? Perfectly sustainable. Not a single Arab country is stable.
Europeans need to mind their own business. Focus on not being conquered by Russia and maybe stop persecuting Jews and Holocaust survivors 24/7.
@@Todd.B@Todd.B why is it unsustainable? Perfectly sustainable. Not a single Arab country is stable.
Europeans need to mind their own business. Focus on not being conquered by Russia and maybe stop persecuting Jews and Holocaust survivors 24/7.
Regardless of what side you come down on in this debate, I think it is uncontroversial that recognition of Palestine is quite different from recognition of other new states.
Unlike Kosovo for example, the states which recognise Palestine aren't saying "There's a state called Palestine and we recognise it as sovereign"; they're saying "There should be a state called Palestine, and this is recognition advocating such a state."
Whereas states which do not recognise Palestine aren't saying "There should never be a Palestinian state"; they're stating that they do not believe that there is one, and that recognition of the current PA before it has all of the capacities of a state would be premature.
Thank you. Beautifully and succinctly put! :-)
Considering how pro Israel the US is, i doubt the US would fully recognize a Palestinian state without Israel's blessing.
I honestly think the overall position is on it's way to becoming partisan in the US. A majority of Dems now support Palestine and a ceasefire. meanwhile, Republicans seem to want a reinforcement of the status quo.
Israels is unfortunately Americas baby - as told by Yasser Arafat, he was right.
Which is good
Your missing the point because United States wants to be able to say that they are funding Israel in a war between sovereign states. It gives the appearance of fairness.
Israel and the US we're completely behind a two state solution but the PLO walked away from it at the eleventh hour.......on more than one occasion
The American veto was used three times to continue the war on Gaza over the past four months. How many times will the American veto be used to prevent the establishment and recognition of sovereign Palestinian state⁉️
Well. The United States is a pretty successful nation, and they have veto power for a reason. Many of the countries in the UN are far from successful. I think if a palastinian state is recognized, it will be after lots of hand holding by other nations. Historically, their leadership has been questionable, at best. Do you think Israel should be responsible for financing the reconstruction of Gaza?
@@Stevemcqueen808 When the Global South comes to the negotiating table with the West, they bring to the table what the West wants, and the West brings what the Global South does not want. The South says: "we will give you what you want in exchange for you not giving us what we don't want."
The Global South brings resources.
The West brings violence.
And the transaction is called by the West "fair trade".
As for the reconstruction of Gaza, the same principle can be applied to what America and Britain stated for the reconstruction of Ukraine with Russia's money, which was seized in Western banks.
@@Stevemcqueen808 When the Global South comes to the negotiating table with the West, they bring to the table what the West wants, and the West brings what the Global South does not want. The South says: "we will give you what you want in exchange for you not giving us what we don't want."
The Global South brings resources.
The West brings violence.
And the transaction is called by the West "fair trade".
As for the reconstruction of Gaza, the same principle can be applied to what America and Britain stated for the reconstruction of Ukraine with Russia's money, which was seized in Western banks.
@@Stevemcqueen808 When the Global South comes to the negotiating table with the West, they bring to the table what the West wants, and the West brings what the Global South does not want. The South says: "we will give you what you want in exchange for you not giving us what we don't want."
The Global South brings resources.
The West brings violence.
And the transaction is called by the West "fair trade".
@@Stevemcqueen808 The U.S. has no moral constants other than its strategic plans. And it implements it in the presence of those you call allies or those you call enemies.. But with different tactics.
It accomplishes its projects in dominance constantly and Without delaying.
El pasado remoto ya se fue.Lo que importa es el.presente que definirá lo que vendrá después.Estado Palestino libre y soberano!!
Concordo com oque você disse. PALESTINA livre e soberana .
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I think Prof Lindsay’s last statement summed up this tragedy. Without meaningful (IMO military or at the least direct threat of military) action from an international effort actually focused on peace and not some narrow geo-political agenda, everything else is dust in the wind. It’s hard to hold out a lot of hope.
Great video.
Dude looks at Hamas and declare the west should fight for them…
there is no such thing as peace as a goal, everything is a geopolitical agenda
I agree with your coment. WELL SAID
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@@AL-lh2ht I don't see what stopping an ongoing ethnic cleansing has to do with helping terrorists, but whatever.
The U.S. has vetoed resolutions critical of Israel more than any other council member - 45 times as of December 18, 2023, according to an analysis by Blue Marble. The U.S. has vetoed 89 Security Council resolutions in total since 1945, meaning slightly over half of its vetoes have been used on resolutions critical of Israel
I feel better about America after reading that
Just abolish the veto period !!!
Why is it the 5 permanent countries have the right to veto .
It’s bull crap
@@philippewally-hy4fw Because otherwise the UN would be mob rule. It should always be hard for any government or the UN to be able to pass laws.
Also, the US pays 22% of the general budget and 27% of the peace keeping, but the US only has 4.23 percent of the total population.
70 per cent of the world’s population live in dictatorships. If there were no veto, those dictators would be the ones making international law.
Personally, I am happy having five countries, that have completely different interests, being able to stop the rest of them from doing as they please.
United States do not make laws or policies for Isreal; United states do not put sanctions on our allies. Isreal is our ally.
Who else would? USSR and China who hates Israel because it's supported by America? Or England and France who ruled over many muslim majority countries and has all the interest not to anger those populations, even after decolonization own a lot of companies with very favourable deals in those cases. For 4/5 countries being pro-Israel is the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot, so of course US has more resolutions critical of Israel more than any other council member.
Mari kita dukung kemerdekaan palestina seperti negara2 lainya
The time to regognize a Palestinian state was before the West bank was turned into swiss cheese by Jewish settlements and Gaza became a killing field. While there was still something left.
The UN was quick to recognize Israel. Israel has yet to recognise the UN.
@@Jayne-slEven Pope Francis has condemned the g€ no cide in Gaza, highlighting the bo m bing of a Catholic church with civilians inside.
The Arabs could have had their own country in 48, but they want to ignore the UN. Now the pro-Palestinian crowd cry that the UN should be respected. Give me a break. I say it is time to let them fight until there is a winner and a loser. Then there will be peace.
@@Jayne-sl@Jayne-sl In Gaza there is both an Orthodox and Catholic Christian community, although some have already been m u rd € red by Is ahell, such as a Catholic mother and daughter. There are nuns who are dedicated to caring for the elderly and people with disabilities... .ENOUGH OF L IES
@@PilyGarcia4338What you say is totally true, even a Catholic priest from Gaza denounced the attacks. It is a shame that they continue to try to misinform and even that you tu b deletes only the comments that tell the truth.
@@Jayne-sl Christian shrines in Bethlehem are respectfully cared for in stark contrast to Israel's profound lack of respect towards the Al Aqsa Mosque and worse in the wanton destruction of Churches and Mosques in Gaza.
The fact that Israel was admitted to the UN in 1949 and Palestine is still not a full member seventy five years later is a colossal injustice.
Also, I don't understand where Jordan's annexation of the West Bank 1950-1988 fitted in with Palestinian statehood - was it always envisioned as pro tem? Had Israel not gained control in 1967, would the Palestinians have eventually been granted a state (presumably including Gaza) or would Jordan and Egypt have held control indefinitely?
It was their intention from the beginning for the elimination of Palestinians ad you can see their conduct in the UN.
@ballykeith I challenge you to find and detail the location of "Palestine" on a map. Then point out its capital city, and any other distinguishing features.
So, the Arabs rejected partition plan. When the British Mandate ended Israel was declared and the lands set aside for the Arabs became Terra nullius. So when the surrounding Arab states invaded, they did it for their own reasons while the people now called Palestinians could not speak with one voice. So Egypt and Jordan took to speaking for them. This led to formal annexation and informal annexation in Gaza's case.
If the Six-day hadn't occurred there would be no Palestinian state and likely you would see terrorism applied as much to Jordan and Egypt as to Israel.
@@cameraman502
You are right on the money. Well stated👍🏻👍🏻.
Many full size Bibles have maps in the last pages. I have never seen one that did not show many details of historic Palestine. Every place named in the Bible is also on every Bible map of Palestine.
Prior to and as WW2 was yet in early phases; as the Jewish arrived from varied regions, they were given "Palestine Immigrant' formal status ID papers.
Professor, get ready to moderate your comment section.
I'd be here with a popcorn in the meantime.
He could handle it he's seen the worst of balkan comments.
@bilic8094 Just because someone can handle it, doesn't mean they still don't need support from us.
I love this comment 😂
Certain proponents of genocide have boycotted Isreal. Israel is the Isreali homeland; so I find myself confused why he said “proposed”.
And thank you for the time and effort you put intbthis channel.
Hello Luke, thank you so much for such a wonderful comment and your extremely kind support. I really and truly appreciate it. It always means a huge amount to hear such positive messages. I hope you have a really great week. Very best regards, James
I’ve lost hope in peace in the region.
I agree, although I’d argue that we still have moral responsibility to observe and raise awareness of any injustices imposed through coercion onto those who lack representation and recognition on the world stage.
I wish you would debate with some of these news anchors. It is truly fact based content.
Our media needs a refresher course in 101 Journalism and get the goal of views, how many watch eliminated, stopping news for profit over accountability to accuracy. It used to be this way but capitalism ran rampant took over.
Professor is basically a media fact checker.
I see no facts checked yet. He said. Palestine is under Isreali control and the UK government is a joke it’s a jester’s court a it hasn’t recognized Palestinian war crimes
Timely coverage of the history of this dreadfully disputed part of the world. Historical context is everything in understanding what the heck is happening there. Really succinct presentation as always. The most learning one can achieve in under 15 minutes!
In general terms, this unfortunate situation in the former Mandatory Palestine is what happens when you design something by a committee. The 1948 division was ludicrous on the face of it.
@@lylm4147 It was a committee called UNSCOP, and perhaps that is something should have ben dealt with in 1946-7.
Seems a little late to be getting hysterical about a plan that wasnt accepted by the Arabs.
I mean they Israeli where assigned the area where most of the Jewish Land was plus Negev desert which was not seen as useful except as a natural barrier. It's not ludicrous at all.
Finally, a sensible comment !!
@@cameraman502 It absolutely was ludicrous lol, they were assigned the negev so britian could control the suez canal. Fking imperialists.
Pakistan was created the same year. The aftermath was horrific but Pakistan is getting along fine without billions in overseas aid.
This will be a very civil comment section (it was shown to me in a dream)
Thx Prof. Now I am confused about one thing. In going over Palestine's history, you said that they have been inhabited by the Canaanites. In the little bit of research, I have done on Palestine's history it seemed to be common knowledge and consensus that both the Palestine's and Israelite's are descendants of the Canaanites. Can you clarify this for me?
Self-identification, ethnicity and nationality are not exact mathematical sciences. No matter any common descent, even by ancient times, Israelites and Canaanites viewed themselves as different from each other.
As far as I understand , like most places in the region, many people intermingled and just from invasion and occupation, and as religions came some inhabitants converted to Christianity and later Jews and Christians and others became Muslim. In some cases new people brought their faiths in some cases people converted. So, it's possible some of today's Palestinian Christians and Muslims could have Jewish ancestors. Generally, people lived alongside each other. It seems to me, the outsiders here are not the Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Jews, but the European Zionists that the Europeans didn't want. Why they didn't want them I am not sure but I have witnessed people I thought wonderfully civilised Europeans turn into hateful monsters when the subject of Romany people came up.
An accurate assessment, thankyou.
@@robertthorn184 My understanding was that some of the Canaanites mixed with the Greeks and some mixed with the Arabians from the east and over centuries both developed their own distinctive cultures and religion. As far as people's reaction, that is taught behavior.
The place has long been a mixing ground for the peoples in the Near East.
Nice and gentle news. thank you professor James ker Lindsay. your channel is so amazing
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it!
"Let bygones be bygones. We will begin new history." So long as Israel and Palestine are focused on the past, there will be no peace. Is it time for us in the international community to force a solution?
Thank you for the video.
Thank you. I agree. It is essential to understand the history of conflicts. But it is even more important to look to the future.
I think that’s easily said, but if you speak to any settler as of today, they have no intention of living alongside any form of Arab, and they raise God into the argument ‘claiming’ they are promised the land or that their ancestors inhabited the land, neither of which are true BUT why would any God loving or even believers of God be so merciless in their actions? Watching the way they treat the people on their own soil begs the question of why they should even be allowed to have a state or country of their own. Was this not gifted to them by thieves non the less but imagine such an enormous gift, due to your supposed maltreatment all over the world yet this is the real you???
7:30 what a mind-blowing map. It shows us in the West just how isolated we are in terms of this issue. Basically no-one not firmly tied to the USA agrees with us, except perhaps a few neutral European countries.
Indeed. You’re absolutely right. 72% of the UN members recognise Palestine as an independent state. But the problem is that this is ultimately symbolic. What really matters is what the 28% who don’t recognise it are now willing to do that will shape the future of the Palestinians.
How about a Kurdish state ?
James Ker-Lindsay has made a video about Kurdistan before, and why a Kurdish state looks increasingly unlikely compared to the odds back in 2003
Yes, quite a few peoples want their own state
Kurdish people are given citizenships but no statehood. Palestinians have neither.
how about a white state.....
@007kingifrit White is so new world but yes, every ethnic group should have their own homeland if it desires it. That's the idealistic statement on principle. That being said, the people of pretty much every country of European descent desire to stop mass immigration and the deportation of illegals and criminals. Their governments somehow refuse to do so even if some of the government parties explicitly campaigned on it. UK Tories being the worst in that regard.
Thanks for balance!
I complement you for discussing this issue.
Thanks, Andrew. I know how emotional the subject is (and for understandable reasons), but I think it is really important to be able to debate these things sensibly.
This l has been all the talk in all my feeds. Palestinian statehood is the optimal way to settle this conflict. I think it’s incumbent on both sides to do their best to mend the ties between the west and the Middle East and Muslim world. It’s time to begin the process of getting along again, and I do believe this will take great work in time. But we must begin immediately
How do you think it is possible if the Muslim world is taught to hate jews? The young population of Palestine is even more aggressive just because of the indoctrination from school and religion. It's harder than ut seems.
My concern is that Oct. 7th will be celebrated as their Independence Day and set a precedent that terrorism as a viable choice. If a peace deal is held tomorrow it only guarantees that in 5-15 years it will happen again.
@@aldeno8055 I fear these kinds of things as well. That’s why I think it’s important for both sides to change the rhetoric. It will have to happen gradually but I think we need to de-escalate the rhetoric and have more instances of cross-lines cooperation whenever possible. Although once again it will take time and great effort.
@@aldeno8055 No, the only guarantee of more trouble for Israel is if they continue to refuse equal rights & self-determination for the Palestinian people, surely they have learned this by now?
@@explainingpolitics even if Palestine is not considered a State, they have their own government who are the ones obligated to provide them with rights and social welfare, but instead of that they encourage the hatred towards Israel and give compensations to the terrorists.
Israel occupies some areas of the west bank due to terrorism from that area, it's not that Israel want just to control them. But it's true that they never wanted peace and probably never will, unfortunately.
I'm Jewish and I was dumb enough to serve in the IDF. I absolutely support a Palestinian State. When I was in the army we didn't masacre civilians like this. There are now 38,000 dead and missing Palestinians including 10,000 children. This conflict started in 1917 with the Balfour Declaration. The Israelis won't allow a Palestinian State. It is the US and UK governments that guarantee Israeli impunity. Gaza is not Hamas. Collective punishment is wrong. There are 7 million jews in Israel and the occupied territories. There are also 7 million Palestinians. That is why Israel has flattened Gaza and will expel the Palestinians into Egypt.
Also, free the hostages. Yes, all 2.3 million people in Gaza.
What about the 1200 dead on 7/10? Look up the Hannibal Directive. IDF helicopters and armor killed 100s of our own.
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kinda hard to separate them, when they were elected into power. and that happened because of their former political class too friendly with Israel. probably the ppl felt they bow down to Israel and that translates to "oppression" so they elected the most anti-Israel party ever. which swore the destruction of Israel, and as far as restoration of the Caliphate. basically... it's ok for the jews to live, but not have a sovereign state. only under arabs.
Thanks Prof; that was a brilliant analysis of the state of Palestine
never been a state
Problem is, Palestinians oppose all two-state solutions.
So this is the opposite of Somaliland. Palestine is a state that does not exist, but is widely recognised. Somaliland is a state that does exist and no one recognises. Pretty much the same with Taiwan. And perhaps most unfair Kurdistan, a state that definitely should exist, but doesn't and no one but the Kurds themselves seems interested in the slightest. Why? 🤔
Geopolitical convenience for all but Israel, which also has the underpinnings of religious backing by the West in some regards.
The question about Kurdistan is easy to answer. Turkey is in NATO and they do not want it created. I laughed yesterday when Chinese and Turkish authorities were talking about the rights of Palestinians. Their arguments were perfect for why Kurdistan and Taiwan should be recognized.
Excellent question
The state of Palestine exists and it is an observer UN member (saying that it does not exist is like saying that Vatican does not exist) and it is a member of Unesco (hence it satisfies basic state requirements). It can not be a full member simply because of the US veto. The correct term would be it is not a sovereign state simply because it is occupied and that is also recognised by the UN (resolution 242).
@@Blu-111 I exists, but without defined borders. That is why the UN have not recognized it as a state.
If I was a Israeli there is no way I would let them back. The 2 state solution would be out.
Why?
@@orkzin Oh brother...
@@yakov95000 When do we tell him?
@@orkzin Does it have to be spelled out for you?
@@orkzin They have at least 1200 reasons.
Thank you for a detailed and thoughtful video on the subject. I hope we can see peace and recognition without our lifetimes.
The arguments for and against recognition are so compelling that it is no wonder there has been no solution since the issue is very complicated.
As a French person, I strongly support the idea of my country recognizing Palestine as a state. Several political parties are advocating for it, and I completely understand it considering the lack of international representation Palestinians have had since the conflict started.
It will get vetoed once the motion hits the floor I see little chance of this happening.
France is least likely country to do this. French politics is moving towards the right. Centrist and Right wing parties have no benefit of doing this in terms of votes.
@@kth6736 I would say the USA is the least likely, considering its history of voting alone with Israel.
@@FairyCRat i mean it is like splitting hairs... but the left parties are much closer to power in america and uk than they are in France. I don't think either of Attal or LePen have any reason to do it. The communities that are sympathetic to palestine will still not vote for them.
@fairy I challenge you to find and detail the location of "Palestine" on a map. Then point out its capital city, and any other distinguishing features.
Israel would be a much safer country with an independent Palestine. Palestinians especially in Gaza live a terrible life and at the same time have nothing to lose by engaging in violence against Israelis.
Giving them a state and the chance at a better life would automatically give them hope for a better life and the realization that hostility with Israel would only demolish that hope.
Unfortunately the Israeli far right as well as many of their western allies especially the US are today dominanted by politicians who have a vested interest in the continuation and even escalation of this conflict. Ordinary Israelis and Palestinians meanwhile suffer.
Gaza was pretty much independent in 2005 when Israel left it. Look how safe it has been for both ppl in the past years.
In principal, yes. Unfortunately there are many people in Palestine who will never accept Israel’s right to exist (and vice versa). So, even if this state is created, Israel will still have to spend a huge amount of its resources on defence and be ready to invade at a moments notice. It’s possible over time there may be some Franco-German style rapprochement, however I doubt it tbh
@@amnont8724 In 2007 Hamas won the election in Gaza precisely *because* israel was invading, and this radicalised many palestinians. Palestine was not independent then, it had just been invaded! It is the opposite of what you have said
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No it wasn’t, Israel still occupied the West Bank and refused to recognize Palestinian sovereignty back in 2005 and has carried out atrocities against both regions since then.
@@sdrawkcabUK I would agree with this point until the day Israel became a nuclear power. The Samson option makes it very clear what Israel would do to any nation that decides to threaten its existence. The security reason is as such not valid today in my opinion.
Very useful and clear presentation... Thank you
Thank you very much indeed.
Thanks for your clear historical view of what is truly happening and has happened between Israel and the Palestinians we here in ASEAN brotherhood countries have superficial views on what is truly happening there. Thanks and more Power on the unbiased presentation of the matter more Power and more of this kind of videos k!
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it!
Even though i am against what Hamas stands for, i am pretty much felling sorry for the palestinians for what they have to put on.
I hope one day this conflict will end in a peaceful note and that both Israel and Palestine can finally live side by side without hatred
What about the Zionist's far-right regime are you for what they stand for? they clearly said a lot of things including killing everyone in Gaza
then take back your jews to the west!
No Palestinian wants that.
@@AL-lh2ht says who ?
Britain had the same thought on the IRA ..The Good Friday agreement was reached and has been upheld .My childhood was bombs in shops each Christmas or threats there of . My home city Manchester was bombed That took time and is amazing .Peace is much better than killing .The IRA were the =of Hamas I guess .Give Peace a chance and by that I don't mean a "pause "
It is the US and UK that have guaranteed Israeli impunity. Recognition of a Palestinian State has merit but is difficult with this Second Nakba. It is likely that the Palestinians in Gaza are going to be expelled into Egypt. In fact, a holding camp for such a purpose has already been built. While security Minister Ben-Gvir has been distributing weapons to settlers in the West Bank. There could emerge a discontiguous Palestinian State in three or four different pieces.... or even a Palestinian State with no country. The real issue here is that the US and UK enable Zionist Maximumalist goals. Israel will prevent any Palestinian State and their government has confirmed as much.
The Zeitgeist of Israel is genocidal and they will block any State. Such symbolism of a "State" does not confront the monster that the British and Americans have created.
Too little, too late.
Man of peace and dignify
The Palestinians need a path to prosperity. Without this, the animosity between the two peoples will never ease
They had their Chance
@@Hae3ro and because of this mentality there will never be peace and we all will eventually perish in WW3
Prosperity? With the donations they've received over the last 40 years, they could be an extremely wealthy nation.
Rockets, tunnels, and payments to martyrs is an expensive game.
@@PaulMathias1 Netanyahu says there will not be a two state solution. I’ve heard Israelis say they need to build permanent settlements in Gaza so they can exercise rule over the territory.
From a Palestinian point of view, how would you see the future? Setting up a proper state with security guarantees for the Palestinians is a good solution. These alternatives that are being suggested by Netanyahu’s right is only going to lead to continued tensions between the Israelis and their neighbors
They could have done that in 2005. When Israel evacuated they left the greenhouses from a very profitable nursery business. What did the do when they took over? THEY SMASHED IT TO BITS.
True they need prosperity but they need to $#$$ing EARN IT. Not have it handed to them. At least if they had some skin in the game, they wouldnt be so willing to blow it up.
And considering who is pushing this, I think you'd have the common sense to run like hell. David Cameron did a horrible job with Brexit, and he's only going to make a mess with this too!!!
Conclusión:Israel tiene que abandonar Gaza y Cisjordania.
What right has the UN to partition Palestine ? The people of Palestine were never consulted as if they agreed to this. It was imposed upon them by a bunch of foreigners.
The UN partitioning Palestine was just words on paper, the Israelis partitioned it themselves.
As for the legality of the UN partition, one may also ask the legality of the partition of Germany.
No one had an objection among the 5 great powers. The UK usually lets the Americans veto things for them. The Soviets were interested in Zionist Socialism, and I suspect Stalin expected Israel to fail quickly. China was an interesting case. They were going to veto the partition plan, but they were convinced by the legendary Jewish general Morris "Two Gun" Cohen, personal body guard to Sun Yat Sen, to abstain instead. The Chinese delegate to the UN was given his military rank by Cohen. Israel was a small price to pay for the freedom of China.
In that time a "Palestinian identity" didn't even existed.
Plus most of the territory was inhabitated, because it was desert, swamps, arid zones and cost, nothing to grow there. Most of the people that now identify as Palestinians are descendants of arabs such as jordanians, Egyptians, syrians, etc., many people came for work to Israel when the British mandate needed workes and also the jews that were returning at the end of the 19th century.
@@davidfinder291 The UN partitioned Palestine. Two states were offered, one for the Jews one for the Muslims. Jews said yes, Muslims said no.
@molecatcher There was NO Palestine to consult.
It was colonial times genius
It's like me saying
" What right did the ottomans had to conquer and control the middle east ?" See how dumb that sounds?
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Agree
Good video
Why, exactly, was it not recognised in 1948? Jordan take a bow.
They denied their own country and started a war.
acknowledging a state without an actual functioning state?
It is interesting but will you be able to take their words? I dont think they finished their sentences because there is a but and a list of other things that they will put in the condition that if they are to be read out will take more than a month to finish.
Thanks. Good point. That said, I think there is a realisation that the current Israeli Government has no intention of accepting a Palestinian State, but that without one, there is unlikely to be sustainable peace in the Middle East. There does seem to be some sincere rethinking going on. But as I hoped to show it isn't really as easy as it might seem. A symbolic recognition wouldn't mean much unless a viable Palestinian state is created. The question is how to do this is a meaningful way.
Same realisation similar to Oslo Accord? It was a 'realisation' and almost turned into a concrete solution. But it never was. Their words are following the mood of the voters but their real actions are dictated by the lobbyist. As we all know, words are so easy to utter...
PALESTINIANS REALLY NEED A STATE!
Palestine: Declared Independence without Independence.
Taiwan: Already Independent without declaring formal Independence.
Asians are smart 😅
Thanks. You actually make a very important point that I have often stressed. It is better to be independent in real terms even if you can’t say it rather than merely to be able to say ‘we’re independent’, but aren’t really. I had this discussion over Kosovo many years ago. I genuinely think that they would be fully independent now and in the UN if they had taken a slower approach that focused on real statehood rather than obsessing about being able to say they are independent.
@@JamesKerLindsay Palestine will become a mini terrorist state like Iran if it attains statehood because it's run by extremists (Hamas).
Власти Никарагуа, видимо, вдохновившись примером ЮАР, тоже решили подать в Международный суд ООН иск по поводу геноцида в секторе Газа. Правда, в отличие от южноафриканцев, южноамериканцы решили обвинить в геноциде уже не Израиль, а Германию.
Африканцы сочли, что немцы "обрекают на голод и болезни миллионы палестинцев, лишая финансирования БАПОР". Власти Никарагуа считают это нарушением Женевской конвенции 1949 года о предупреждении геноцида и наказании за него, поскольку "Германия не может не осознавать гибельные последствия своего решения".
Как мы сообщали ранее, Германия ежегодно вносила в бюджет БАПОРа порядка 200-300 миллионов долларов. В то же время Никарагуа вообще не значится в списке доноров.
В иске также приводится аргумент о том, что правительство Германии "оказывает финансовую, политическую и военную помощь Израилю, понимая, что она будет использована для нарушения международного законодательства".
Отметим, что в части "помощи Израилю" иск заведомо бессмыслен, поскольку та самая юридическая инстанция, в которую он подан, еще не выносила решение о том, подпадают ли действия Израиля в секторе Газа под определение геноцида, и вряд ли вынесет подобный вердикт в ближайшие месяцы.
В части прекращения финансирования БАПОРа как "геноцида" иск еще более смехотворен, поскольку пытается представить сугубо добровольные гуманитарные действия государства в отношении чужого населения как обязательные, а их прекращение - как истребление народа. Если следовать этой загадочной логике, само Никарагуа, никогда не делавшее существенных взносов в БАПОР, всегда занималось геноцидом палестинцев.
Для Израиля подобные абсурдные претензии к нашим "полусоюзникам" скорее полезны, чем вредны - они наглядно подтверждают общую сюрреалистичность антиизраильской позиции "социалистического интернационала" и вывернутую наизнанку логику, которой руководствуются ненавистники Израиля
Big brain move. Now when they fight each other it would be an international incident and aggression against sovereign states, not just an internal conflict.
Why 75 years later? We been told two states, not only one estate and not two divided palestinas territories under the military control of Israel. We been told lies during all this years!
Los derechos del.pueblo palestino deben tener reconocimiento internacional total.Es lo justo.Y deben recibir reparación justa aunque los muertos ya no puedan volver a la vida.Las vidas de los sobrevivientes del holocausto deben ser reparadas.Los niños deben recibir atención especial completa,dobre todo sibhan sido mutilados.
El holocausto pasó hace más de 70 años.
Estaría increíble que Hamas se haga responsable y les brinde apoyo por reparación de daños a sus propios ciudadanos.
¿Estàs creyendo que holocausto es solo el.judío?Confundido estàs.
@@arcaz2787 ¿No sabes que hay otros holocaustos?Holocausto no es solo el de la 2a guerra mundial infligido no solo a los judíos sino a minorías étnicas,gitanos,católicos,protestantes,intelectuales y políticos.Y ahora,el Carnicero de Gaza está ejecutando su Solución Final para el pueblo palestino.¿Reconoces la expresión?
US recognition will come when one political party thinks it will win them the most votes. It is all about politics and nothing else.
Whilst I knew a lot of this said it was patch work and you pulled it together very well and in layman's language. Never trusted Yasser Arafat, he was often pictured with Idi Amin and best man at his wedding. No wonder the PFLP-EO group plus the two German R2 group when the plane was hijacked on route to Athens and diverted to Libya and then to Entebbe in July 1976. By the way wasn't Benjamin Netanyahu's brother Yoni killed in rescue raid?
Republic of China's UN membership in the 1950's and 1960's demonstrates that control of territory is a factor of statehood, but it is not at all necessary to control all of the territory claimed. Palestine would control an area exceeding the land area of Grenada, Malta, Maldives, St. Kitts & Nevis, Marshall Islands, Liechtenstein, San Marino, Tuvalu and Nauru, each of which are UN members. Even less territory should still suffice to meet the requirements under international law. To explain further, if France claimed today that the whole world was French territory, it would not cease to be a state by doing so. Let's not be absurd.
Kurdistan too needs UN recognition.
No it does not.
@@GearrionThe Kurds too want their own independent country.
Just as the united nations have a clear standing point on how to deal with an occupation, they need to address this question the same as if the indigenous people of Palestine were occupied today.
If humanitarian law and international law and the security council have any significance anno 2024. Away with the double standards for the sake of the worlds future. #Endtheoccupation now. No room for terrorism from states nor from stateless individuals.
Is 'Palestine' A: The West Bank, B: Gaza or C (A + B)? To start with it is 'C', but then you have a Brunei-type split territory. And politically, is it run by A: The PLO (heirs of the hijackers of the 1970s with all that terror and corruption); B: Hamas who need no introduction C (A + B) or D: Whatever emerges from pan-'C" free elections?
It seems impossible. You cannot have peace as long as Hamas wants ALL the land. I'm not saying Israel is a good faith actor but this is a position that makes negotiations impossible
No one would be negotiating with Hamas, they would be negotiating with the internationally recognised representatives of the Palestinian people: the PLO. the PLO has shown itself remarkably more open to peace deals and compromise. It understands that a two-state solution is the only diplomatically viable one at the moment, and the only one that could create lasting peace in the region
@@theanarkiddie4569That would certainly be interesting since the PLO doesn't have real control of practically any of the territories claimed by them. So, the UN would be talking to the theoretical government of a non-existent country. Very meta.
@@theanarkiddie4569 but the PLO has the same goal as Hamas, have you seen their flag?
@@veronikakuznetov7186 no they don’t, the dominant faction in the PLO has been the two-state solution since 1993, according to wikipedia
Palestinians should DEFINITELY have THEIR LAND. Israel has NO BUSINESS stealing their land and building ILLEGAL settlements all over, taking over Palestine!!!!!!
The Palestinian Arabs have rejected a two state solution numerous times. In 1937 the Peel commission was rejected by the Arabs. In 1947 UN resolution 181 was rejected by the Arabs, which led to a Civil War. The Oslo accords, signed in 1993 and 1994 established the Palestinian Authority . Control of populated Arab centers or area A came under their jurisdiction. Area B was a shared control by the PA and Israel. Area C was controlled by Israel. Unfortunately, the two sides were unable to secure a final status agreement. Even with the help of President Clinton in 2000 which offered the Arabs, a generous control of areas on the West Bank and Gaza failed with the chairman of the PA failing to finalize the negotiation. Later negotiations failed between the Olmert government and the PA under Abbas. In 2005 with the withdrawal of Israel from Gaza and Hamas taking control of the Gaza area the prospects for a peace settlement and statehood for the Palestinians dropped off anyone’s agenda. The brutal attack on October 7 by Hamas put the final nail in the coffin of a two state solution. The British vocalizing of a two state solution along with Biden’s talk of a Palestinian state, is more an effort to rock the coalition that the Likud party has with its partners to the center. The proposal by Britain and the United States is an attempt to dislodge the Netanyahu coalition rather than have any constructive issue on the problems facing the Middle East.It is a rather clumsy and ill advised solution which will only cause a multitude of problems.
I will try to put my thoughts in the most civilian way possible, acknowledging that this topic is very inflamatory.
Unfortunately, the only way Palestine could have a defined territory is by Israel relinquishing its current occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. This is, with the current revanchist and chauvinist government of Israel, extremely hard. I believe that when the western powers recognizing Palestine, this puts more pressure on Israel to actually make at least a cease fire and then we could start dreaming with the good-faith dialogue between both sides.
The most realistic territory for Palestine is within the 1967 borders, which would also require a very symbolic change in the constitution of Israel, allowing for the partition of Jerusalem. This obviously is also extremely contentious and complicated. This is why it is so important to exert pressure on Israel right now while there is no government change.
Allowing the more moderate government of the West Bank to establish authority in the more extremist Gaza Strip is also fundamental to establish peace. That's why a corridor between the West Bank and Gaza must be established, though, once again, this is very contentious and will need years of debate, and actual groundworks if it comes into fruition.
Even then, I have hope that the western powers recognizing Palestine will mean something and cause change in the near future. Most importantly, they must also approve the UNSC resolutions asking for a cease-fire (resolutions that the US shamefully vetoed thrice -> www.reuters.com/world/us-casts-third-veto-un-action-since-start-israel-hamas-war-2024-02-20/) in order to have progress in solving the conflict.
Once again, excellent video, I commend your commitment to keep this content as impartial as possible. I recognize this is very emotional and moves a lot of people, so I am recognizing as well that I am extremely sorry for victims on both sides of this bloody conflict. Once again, I wish for peace in the Holy Land. Cheers from Brazil.
The US proposed ceasefire resolutions that included wording mandating that Hamas release their hostages.
1967 isn't a border. It is a ceasefire line, just like between Syria and Israel in the Golan. One must not make a mistake of interpreting the British Mandate for Palestine as if it were something legally proceeding the Palestinian state.
I'm not sure if the PA can effectively control Gaza either. Some of the folks I've been talking to in D.C IR world think the PA is basically just held together by Abbas being alive. When/If he dies, they expect the PA to collapse.
Palestinians overwhelmingly want to elect a "white hot ball of rage."
The only way to have peace if starting from now to change the educational system in palestine. All the young generation is even more aggressive than the older ones.
I appreciate you care about peace, but palestinians want everything or nothing.
@amante I would like to point out AGAIN that Israel evacuated everything from Gaza in 2005, ripping out settlers, businesses AND graveyards, because we know how respectful they are of others dead. That was sarcasm, because they are respectful of nothing.
So from 2005 to Oct 6th, 2023 Gaza was Jew free or Judenrein. Just like Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, and later Yemen were in the late 40's.
So Gaza was NOT occupied, and they could have had a state if it was so important to them. They went ahead and elected HAMAS to their govt, who promptly went ahead and murdered all the FATAH candidates and then started shooting rockets into Israel.
THAT was whats more important to them, killing us.
All you're doing is rewarding them for what they did to us on Oct 7th, and you are enabling them to do it again and again and again.
There is no moderate government in the West Bank. They're still paying the families of people who kill Israelis. And those moderates that do exists (to the extent they exist) are despised as traitors. This needs to change before there is any chance of a real peace.
@@arcaz2787 Israel kills over 28,000 people in the span of about 4 months, mostly women and children at that, and it's somehow the fault of the educational system that young Palestinians are supposedly "more aggressive".
Amazing.
The biggest powers in the world have to negotiate with Israel, as if its a threat to them. They’ve never had a problem doing things that other allies didn’t like, why are they so sacred and almighty that pleasing them is a must?
It would be interesting if Professor you could make a video on if a 1 state solution in historical Palestine for Jews and Arabs is feaseble or not
No.
It will be a 3 second video with one word. No.
@@kth6736 it would be unfair for Israel to open borders for 5 million people that are literally your enemies, I guess the outcome would be a civil war. Or just a huge burden on their economy.
Also the mentality, principles and religion of both societies are pretty different.
@@arcaz2787 actually the religions are extremely similar. If you didnt know about history and just read their books, you'd think both peoples would be great friends.
But yeah in a one state solution the jews will be expelled frkm the country in no time.
In Israel today there are 2 million Arab-Muslim citizens, that are practically Palestinians. The majority of them don’t want an independent state and are pretty happy to live as Israeli citizens and enjoy the civil liberties of a modern democracy.
Theoretically this can happen in a 1 state solution scenario, where Israel takes over the West Bank (not sure about Gaza) however, it takes decades for a society to become liberal and democratic, and move away from fundamental authoritarian mentality, and that’s not guaranteed to happen.
As a Catholic Mexican I always pray for peace , Israel and Palestine both states need to live, no one needs to be erased. All countries in the world must intervine for more solutions.
There is always a choice for greater good.
Romanos 12:19 No tomen venganza, hermanos míos, sino dejen el castigo en las manos de Dios, porque está escrito: «Mía es la venganza; yo pagaré.
As a palestnian born in israel I thank you for doing a good unbias job
Thank you so much. I really and truly appreciate it.
How would this work? There have been multiple states in the past in the region such as Moab, Edom, Israel, Judah, the Philistine city-states, and there's really only room for one state to succeed.
It seems that Bible is your historical source haha
@@Blu-111 If the bible is his source, then he clearly hasn't read it properly. In the past, there HAVE been multiple states in the region that lived alongside one another. Hell, even Israel and Judea weren't unified states for a long time, instead existing side by side. Also, the Phoenician cities that existed there were independent from Israel, up until the Persians vassalized them.
There are some UN member states that have some or all of their administration carried out by other states. e.g. Marshall Islands is in a compact of free association with the USA and so gets the USPS and presumably US national defence. San Marino has its national defence provided by Italy
You are right about the marshall Islands and San marino. I think most people wouldn't be able to find those countries on the map. Also, both countries are very small! No other country feels threatened by those two small countries, so it's really no big deal.
@@TheWedabest If Palestine becomes a UN member State, the issue of national defence will become very important. I think having Israel provide that is out of the question. Jordan could do that easily but they already bought and paid for. Maybe Egypt? Other options would become increasingly more political but perhaps some North African/Middle-East countries?
@minxythemerciless that is a very good question. Palestine definitely needs its own official military. The situation in the region demands it! Israel has a very advanced military and, of course, nukes! They are set.
Wow. That would make Article 5 an interesting entity.
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Yes Palestine must be recognized as a state.
Prof. Great vid thank you. If i am not mistaken, i believe palis and Israelis are genetic brothers - is that true?
@@lylm4147 hey? That doesn't sound right
UN resolution 242 dictated land for peace. Not war.
Like India?
No one wants to answer why there was no Palestinian state established between 1948-1967 when these territories weren't under Israeli control.
You linger on pathetic technicalities and semantics from decades ago to deny Palestinian people today the right to live in freedom and dignity without illegal israeli occupation and subjugation.
Why are the Brittish Crown and state not acting to take responsible for its "lack" of keep the ontook Protective role that was offered to it by the League of Nations after the inforced crushing of the Ottoman statehood?
So the Britts did not had neighter the guts, the strength nor the cunning to protect the palestinian populations and lands from invading hooligans that came in pretext of "creating" though only were thiefs and hooligans in another peoples land.
When the britts saw that they not were able to "hold the fort",
Why in goods holy name, did they not createdba referendum and helped the populations in Palestine to create theire own state???
Why did they have to "legalice" theft and horror, instead of helping the palestinian people to create Theire Magna Charta?
If done so,
I am convinced that the "Brittish empire" in a transformed form.
More democratic.
More equal.
More humane.
And still persisting.
Would have been the result.
But who stopped Brittain from going up this lighter, prosperous, egalitarian and as said before,
more humane path?
Thievs with influence?
"Pressers and pushers"?
The inbuilt arroganze?
The need for egotistical compensation of once owns "smalldome"?
Or what?
But dispite of what, who and why.
The responsibility to contribute to a lasting, peaceful, humane, and in part also compensatory responsible work, to undo the wrongs that these palestinian populations of 1920, can never be swept under the rugg, and will allways be theire on the shouldersof the leadership, the bankers, the "industrialists".
On the Brittish State and Crown to carry and to solve.
Cause you gave a promice to the people.
Youtook an outh to fullfill.
To all thouse in palestine.
Christians, Mosslims, Jews Secular of different blend, both ethnical as religious.
To Protect.
To Guard.
To helpe the people of year 1920, and theire aftercommers in the land of Palestine to heal.
To bee able to grow.
To reconsile and hopefully come to some sort of peace and understanding.
And this is only possible under three conditions.
---The populations of year 1920 Palestine is the rightful owner of the land and its destiny.
---All "settlers" newcommers and gold diggers that without the concent of the 1920:ths,thet have to leave and return to theire homelands.
---Every one that have committed crimes as arsen, murder, rape, fysical brutality, stealing of others lands, homes aso,
all of these must be put on trial for theire crimes.
And given a punnishment accordin to theire committed crime.
As the criminals they are.
The Brittish Crown, as well as the US of A have to repay and help this finally reinstated Palestine to be rebuilt.
Maybe through a "new Marshall plan",
Though without the hoof cloves that, that program imposed on then actual populations.
And then, through these efforts and the individual and collective work, then can a possible reconsiliation situation be created.
And dont say it is not possible!
Even the London as the NY police have expirience of dealing with scwatters and criminals.
So stop support these laters.
And start the rebuilding and retaking of left responsibility!
Statehood.. still seems like we're living in yesterday's shadow. Reading Fred Harrison re. land monopoly.. I'd thoroughly appreciate your thoughts, JKL. Cheers. PP
The oppressed Palestinian people have every right to defend themselves and demand freedom and dignity, because the Palestinians are the owners of the land, out of a thousand and it is their homeland. They came in the sun of the first creation, and before them no one set foot in Palestine.
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@@xiaoliu7071 If the world knew the truth about the suffering of the Palestinian people since the first appearance of the Havana criminal gangs in 1920, it would boycott the so-called State of Israel forever, and would not even allow it to remain in existence...
I cannot fathom how the US recognizes Israel that was formed by immigrants from Europe and all over the world and does recognize the right of the Palestinians who have been living in the land for over a thousand years and were displaced from their homes to create Israel.
UN Security Council Resolution 242 says
"lands" not "the lands".
* "territories"
@@lashachakhunashvili1399 Lands or territories, means the same thing. That's not the point.
"the territories " would make it specific, that All the territories conquered in the 6 Day War would have to be given back to the Arabs. By using the term
"territories" means the UN Security Council only wanted some of the territories returned in exchange for a Peace Treaty.
About time UK
No issue with recognition, however radicalisation needs to be removed first before this will ever work. That is the hard part.
So atleast 75 years if they start now. 😂
@@kth6736 indeed it's a long deep hatred....
@use-ck Good point. Maybe they need forty years of wandering in the desert.
The only advice I can give to United Kingdom is mine, your own business, clear up your own mess your own country before you give advice to anyone else you’ve got a sum seekers coming in new building, being built for them rather, and giving it to the British people that really needs it
You do realise that Britain is a permanent member of the UN Security Council? It has got to take an interest in world affairs.
I'm for the third option, to bring back Crusade states ⚔️🗡️🛡️
Please would you explain why a viable state for the Arab community was not created in 1947? In anticipation of your informed knowledge.
If Palestine isn't a state because it doesn't have set and defined borders then Israel shouldn't be considered a state either with how they operate landgrabs and are constantly illegally expanding.
This would be a good idea. Put pressure on the two state solution.
БУТУН ДУНЕ ХАЛКИ ФАЛАСТИН ДАВЛАТИНИ КУЛЛАЙДИ ИЗРОИЛ ОДАМХУР БЕ ШАВКАТ НОТОВОН РАЗИЛ КОНХУР ЯХУДЛАРИ ДАВЛАТ БОЛИШГА НОЛОЙИК ХАЛК
Palestine must take role of the Superior in the Area
I appreciate Mr Cameron’s statements for a 2 state solution, however these are just words to stop a wider war and preventing the neighbouring countries to join the fight against Israel. It’s buying time until Gaza is left without any citizens. Gaza is plenty of resources which Israel and the US wants.
In 1974 , Arafat addressed the UN while packin' a pistol. Maybe he should have pounded his shoe instead.
It is a delaying tactic. Hoping we are stupid enough to think some forward movement is happening. In reality nothing will change on the ground.
The ones proposing it are the ones opposing anything sensible.
PLO was established when Israel was not in Judea & Samaria.
I guess that key to statehood is control over your own territory. Not whether other people treat you badly, you have a lot of sympathy, etc. Sure, you could argue this would mean that Somalia would no longer be recognized. But also, if Palestine gets recognized, what about Kurdistan?
India needs to be a permanent member of UN.
And what for the West Bank...
Recognition would apply to Gaza and the West Bank. These are the internationally accepted boundaries of a Palestinian state as per relevant UN Security Council resolutions.
Terrorism should never be rewarded.
Decades ago I was quite hopeful for peace with Gaza but with the election of Hamas I totally gave up. You can't have peace with a group like that.
I agree, that is why any peace will be signed with the PLO and be conditional on the PLO returning to power in Gaza
The extreme right wing government of Israel is more of a threat to peace than Hamas.
Some people claimed that Hamas was helping people when they were being attacked by Israel and hugged the Palestinians. Was this true or just propaganda?
If Hamas being removed from power is a prerequisite for peace, then so is the removal of the extremist right wing government that is currently leading Israel and committing ethnic cleansing. I agree, both need to go.
Authority need to quit playing games with Hamas.
Notwithstanding recent events in Westminster wherein it would appear that an embryonic ISIB is determining the outcome of parliamentary debates and voting ; is the government about to reconsider the possibility of Palestinian state in order to attempt to regain credibility among the vast majority of the population or buckle further under the continuing threats from those extremists encamped on Parliament Square and favour recognition ? Is it worth the risk of destroying one democracy here in order to establish yet another ideological dictatorship in the Middle East ?
I wouldn't say the majority of Britons support Israel. I'd argue it's more of a 50/50 situation, or even that more Britons support the Palestinian cause. At least, that's my experience.
Whether they support Hamas or not is a different question. I think a lot of people have sympathy or understanding for the group, but fundamentally disagree with it's methods and actions.
@@solsunman383 I am asking the question that is in everyone's head regarding the UKs move toward an Islamic State In Britain and minority rule I.e. support for the UK as a tolerant society without being cancelled by UA-cam again .
As for Hamas regardless of the rubbish they have published since they are operating under their 1988 charter and have no right of existence in amongst the Arab people . At present they are shooting Gazan protesters in Jabalya camp who simply want to avoid starvation. This is being covered by MEMRI TV , an Egyptian Muslim channel .
@@georgerobartes2008 I'm sorry. I just don't agree with your premise that the UK is becoming an Islamic State, or an intolerant society. There are problems in Britain, it's true. That Britain has experienced a demographic shift since the fall of Empire is a fact.
However, the idea that British Muslims or Black British people don't share British values is a fallacy. There are a number of government initiatives that do discriminate against primarily white and male British citizens. But these are not proposed or driven by ethnic minorities from within the UK; but rather an acknowledgment of past discrimination AGAINST these groups, and a poorly thought out attempt to address the balance in the short term.
@@solsunman383 Empire ? Have you been asleep for the past 30 years or simply haven't reached your 20th birthday ? As a surveyor in the UK spending much of my time working in the London Boroughs particularly the " impoverished " Eastern ones Barking and Dagenham, Tower Hamlets, Redbridge , Waltham Forest and the Home Counties I have seen unprecedented change with places I knew as a child completely ghettoised with security being offered me just to carry out my work .
When this begins to threaten our security services , local authorities and now MPs as we have seen recently and now the House of Commons to affect business in the chamber , there is a good argument to suggest an Islamic State is already here .
@@georgerobartes2008 Cool. Well, as someone who has spent the last 30 years living in various parts of the UK that are not just London, I can safely say that your view and experience is not representative of the nation as a whole.