Is China Becoming A Black Mirror Episode (Social Credit) | ASIAN BOSS
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With this system, how can a poor person with their cheap items and low-rank family ever escape poverty? And how about people who make mistakes as kids or teens - will that follow them forever? How can a former convict rehabilitate themselves when their punishment continues outside jail after they've served their time? What about the victims of social media smear campaigns? There are SO many ways of unintentionally and permanently ending up on the wrong side of this system. It's basically extrajudicial punishment where an algorithm is your judge, jury, and executioner. All these interviewees cheering for vigilante justice because "I never did anything wrong", but what they don't realize is they won't be the ones to define what's wrong...
Nah, not paranoid. I'm LGBT. And powerfully aware of what a system like Social Credit would do to the lives of people like me.
I was thinking about this too! If an individual who struggling financially buys cheaper things to save money, then they could be targeted by the system and it would further limit their financial mobility. This system seem far to overarching to do any good for the citizenry as a whole, it’s meant to restrict opposition and keep tabs on everybody
do you know what a credit card score is? Do you know what a criminal record is??? Why are people acting like this is some new idea???
If anything the rest of the world is decades ahead and developing nations like China/India are simplying catching up. Why is everyone freaking out about normal everyday things? Shows you how insane the MSM brainwashing is.
At this point CNN can probably run a story on how "China forces children to participate in mandatory intelligence tests which will determine their future income and social status", and people will start acting all hysterical (while unthinkingly do free advertisement for some shitty show just because the media deliberately references it for no reason). It's called going to school, it's called an exam.
This system is not so different from the credit system of a traditional bank , if you can't pay your debts you can't get more money , simple as that.
For those poor kids , if they study hard enough to get into a good college it's not difficult for the kid( and the family ) to change their social class, education is the main focus of almost every family in China
FireRaccoon first off buddy, I don’t know why you’re bringing up MSM because I’ve only heard about this hear and from China Daily. Also, I don’t think you are understand how large in scope this system looks like it’s trying to be. I know that real privacy is virtually impossible nowadays since how our information runs through so many intertwining systems, however this aims to use all of that collected data on you and all those you have contact with to create a virtual class system. Yes, it could encourage people to follow the law and act respectfully, but it could also be used to crack down on ideas. Financial and political repercussions for what you buy and who you interact with is nothing short of totalitarian
the guy with glasses is very wise and real
MyMindDontMind i hope the government won't throw him in prison or make him disappear without a trail.
User 457 又在这放什么屁呢，说那么几句无关紧要的话会被关监狱？你是不是轮子啊
Almost everyone wears glasses 👓
User 457 nah, his credit will just drop to zero. Same result tho.
The guy with the glasses is the only one who really understands.
Chinese people will repent soon.
The interviewees generally assume that the rating system will help encourage people to follow "the rules." However, the rating system can be adjusted to fit the government's changing needs: need more low-wage labor, tilt a variable; need less children, tilt a variable; need less religion, tilt a variable, etc. This is simply a method to create a permanent, disposable underclass for the government's needs.
The people should be able to track the government, not the other way around.
Great comment
Because maybe that's how the system is marketed to the general public. They see it as a convenience but by now we should know that convenience never come for free.
I just feel everyone would be very discreet in doing everything and force ourselves to become someone that we are not, like in black mirror.
Yeah those people are so stupid they give up al their freedoms. Not here in the USA 🇺🇸
@@d947 last time they tried to have their freedom they were massacred unlike in The west so its not stupidness its fear
I am Chinese and I am concerned. If the credit rating is only about financial credits, then it’s just normal standard stuff. But if they try to rate ppl based on their behaviour and social connection then it’s going to be very dangerous. Ppl are saying if they are law bidding citizen then they have nothing to worry about. Yet we all know that law is not perfect and need to evolves with time. For example, I think same-sex marriage and surrogacy are illegal in China, but does that make someone a bad person? Is that the information one should take to publicly penalise a person? If we are judging ppl based on social relations, then what would happen to say, kids coming from a bad/criminal family? I can’t even imagine what kind of bullying or alienation that kid have to go through. (And guess what that kid would ended up doing if he’s being rejected from society)
Good point!
nancy143 finally someone gets it, too bad many of your countrymen are just going to blindly follow. The rich will just leave the country while the poor will be screwed over as usual by the CCP.
Excellent example of a potential flaw, though one could argue that the government will narrowly address these kinds of issues as they emerge. The government doesn’t actually want to suppress gays or disadvantaged families; it only cares about political and ideological enemies.
That being said, even perfectly necessary fixes to uncontroversial issues that arise may be slow if the government doesn’t provide an online forum for feedback.
Don't believe bad Western propaganda, the way sesame credit works is that they give you points when you pay all your debts or simply buy things with the app
Hello you lmao bruh
Also, what would happen if someone wanted to deviate from social norms, or start a political movement that oppposes the government's main ideologies? Wouldn't this social system also prevent social change and arguably be a form of oppression if abused?
Issy ofcourse they would. People in power would want to opress them so i personally think it‘s sad how we nowadays drift away from just our human form. Like why does everything have to be digitized. Do we want to be robots who‘re all walking the same path in the same direction controlled by those who have the power to rate us ?
Yepp
Gay people, Trans people, Foreigner, Tourist. Basically they making a bubble only protect their own people.
Mastel .T.Nouveau Monde wtf are you talking about?? This video is not about gay people🤣🤣🤣🤣🎥
Nij Jin That's how it starts, governmental control is progressive.
Every breath you take
Every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
I'll be watching you
justanotherwhitegirl a Yeah u not wrong, they always been watching us.
From da Police. Nice!
W H E E E Z E
I’ll be watching you - Biggie Bro
(POI) You are being watched...
The scariest thing is how accepting everyone is
sesame pay is a private own company
then what do you want chinese ppl to do? start a civil war? Blood death loss of family you have no right to tell chinese ppl to fight if you didnt come from a country that had had war on your own soil
Pegsu Zhang No. No civil war. There are other ways of staying free. As far as SesamePay being privately owned, that's up to interpretation, for one (CCP is on the company board), but secondly, it is of no consequence, since this is already being implemented in Suzhou for everyone. The government asked SesamePay to do trial runs for them--but within 6 years, the government is rolling it out to all of China. I'm sure you already know this? You have VPN at least, that's good. Look this up. Eventually, it will be too late.
The first step towards understanding why the Chinese are accepting this is to know that you, as an individual, are never as free as you might think you are. I don't know why there are still people believing in that narrative after all the NSA, election meddling and Cambridge Analytica scandals.
Good Cat So because evil happens, we have to accept it and agree with it? What a fatalistic outlook.
What an Orwellian nightmare. Advertisers and marketing companies are going to make millions from extracting their personal data and many of these interviewees seem to be content with having their lives manipulated.
I guess you are happy in the Brave New World.
I somehow agree
No. They can’t say anything on camera cause that would affect their score.
Razear I think is scary but in America for which I am in. People don't care much for security either. I'm talking about the normal non techy person. If that was the case we wouldn't still be using text message as a thing. There are good apps like signal etc out there but people just get annoyed when asking to use it. There is what's app and fb but.. we know they mine data like crazy.. and what's app is end to end but they take metadata. But going back to scoring system.. this is some serious stuff. I think their culture just doesn't care as much or maybe they have more trust in their government then some 1st world countries do for theirs.
This is irony, people.
The future is scary.
김종인 Well *IF* so, There should be a Movie made about it show the pros and cons. We'll see *IF* you're right. 🤔😎🎯📲💰💳🔍🚔
Your future.
I am a muslim if they’re wearing skirts then they’re not naked. . .
I am a muslim - I see you everywhere! Are even a Muslim? Mind your own business and don’t make Muslims look bad !!!
Can I assume that you don't pay your bill on time? and never return the things that you rent?? That's scary. FOR REAL
the guy in the red jacket really hates jaywalkers lol
driver hates them , I WANT TO HIT THEM
Ikr like geez mate there are bigger problems in the world
it's being a parent thing.. noticed his daughter 2:18.. trying to set a good example for his kids; so his opinion is definitely going to be biased..
Why do humans need to be evaluated all the time? It's already so stressful studying all those years to have a good average score, then people would be constantly stressed about every little choice they had to make in their live. What groceries to buy, who you are friends with, the way you talk, the way people perceive you, how a little misunderstanding could afect your score. The fear of being fired... The constant social anxiety...
Thank you!
If a country has the people are much smarter than those in other country，of curse they use and need different system that you may not understand，You can't just assume that Chinese and Africans need the same system. Reality has nothing to do with your feelings
@@lianghao7128 Your comment didn’t Made sense, since she perfectly understood the system and talked about the negative impacts it can bring
@@vitoralmeida2680 You need to put your foot on the ground to understand China，and why things can work perfectly in China
@@vitoralmeida2680 In fact, you only need to look at the differences between China and the West in their response to the epidemic.
This technology scares me because it can go so wrong; I hope that the beta version of this technology shows all the downsides too. Also, Chinese people's trust on their Government shocks me. In my country, politicians do not have much credibility in terms of making the best decisions for citizens but for companies. Good video as always. 😊
Culture difference. China largely function in harmony and the governement need to be in harmony with the citizens to function too. The only difference is that certain key decision like economy structure and international political stances are solely decided by CCP. China citizens can live any kind of life they want as long they do not infringe the laws and onto others. This is helped by a confucius culture that emphasis on self inspection.
Governement and civil social life are intertwined in China.
In the west, this concept is amusing because the irony that the citizens voted for people who works in a organzation they do not trust.
That begs one to question...why do it in the first place?
yes that is the biggest different u dont trust ur government , because you value individual , but in china , an old thought , u should sacrifice for the country and the people . Chinese value the whole group not ur personal interest
hmm, we're shocked that why the perfect USA has massive shooting.
I don't get it, why all the "civilised, righteous and free" governments from west kept having wars and destroying families? If that's what the proud westerners called civilisation and democracy, China don't really care to be part of it.
And I think westerners really need to understand that, western standard is not the only right standard...there is no right or wrong standard. You need to let it go, it is not the white century anymore.
I understand her statement yet I also understand your reply. However, we did have a civil war in the US that still has implications. Maybe this very war is the reason people in the west question and distrust our government. Hopefully, I won't come across as superior, because I certainly don't believe that. In fact, China and South Korea are countries I greatly admire. Both have worked hard to become strong leaders in the global community. However, regardless of community philosophy, shouldn't we all keep an eye on our governments and never fully trust them to do what's best for the people? Shouldn't we judge and measure what they do to make sure that those in the government aren't the only ones succeeding? Just wondering what you take is on this?
Not sure they do really. At least, the few I met. They are very careful not to be explicit about it though
Its really scary how most of them fail to see larger impact of such a system, except for one person. The social control this system will enable is far scarier compared to Black Mirror episode. And the irony is most of these people fail to understand how pervasive this system already is.
I think we can all agree that they are smarter than you
What're they gonna do? oppose the system? yeah I wouldn't do that being in their position
@@sozo8537 He will not understand，its never just the gov want this ，its the most people want this，chines does not want that some people can just fight them at night on the street，or take their money，like a lot black people do in USA，thats hell to us
@@lianghao7128 What do you have against black people exactly? Also, it was never about preventing street fights or theft, it's also about gathering increasing amounts of data from citizenry and utilizing it to prevent self expression and communication that could in any way be interpreted "anti-government".
One of these gentlemen was on point though, there IS no such thing as privacy anymore, but I wouldn't choose to live under an entity that numerically measures ones "trustworthiness" based on such things as purchase history and non government sanctioned discussion online, not even mentioning public shaming based on this arbitrary rating, and officers surveilling civilians using face recognition glasses.
I understand people's positive reactions to this as well though, it's not like it's being being marketed to them as what it is. Also, in their position and somehow realizing all this, it's not like I could/should do anything about it either, it's only going to hurt my position, since spreading dissenting information and "illegal" protesting is only going to make me next at the chopping block and lower my social credit rating.
@@anonymooseplays3905 I am not against black people or anyone，I just speak the fact，or maybe you should tell them to stop “take” peoples money for free，and stop shot peoples face. China and Chinese are never made them slaves，so we own them nothing. Then why I can not say it if its truth？They have no right to asking China about anything，its white peoples job to give them what ever they want and take their hit，because its black peoples right. I make it clear for you
I can't believe that only one of them found it questionable.
+Mrs Lens At least three of them opposed this system: (1) the older man (who said "I have no choice but to oppose this," (2) the man with glasses (who was worried about the government thinking food-service workers are eating everything they purchase for work) and (3) the woman standing with the man with glasses (- the woman agreed with what the man with glasses said).
Please remember that everyone here was being interviewed on-camera. Some people will only agree with the system when they are being filmed. They say "surveillance is not a problem for good people like me, who follow all the laws and love the government!"... and then they go home and are sick with worry about who is watching them.
I believe actually more than one are wise. They just did not say all the thing in their mind in front of camera
绝世甜瓜 Who knows how many interviewees have been dragged away at night by CCCP because they openly opposed ideas put forth by their government. Asian Boss what have you done?!!!😂
西方人的偏见显而易见，大部分的西方人也非常愚蠢，西方人不知道为什么这么做，他们不知道原因，一无所知的去评判这些措施好与坏，历史上看，西方每一届政府都非常的垃圾，造成了西方人不信任政府的看法。
No one cares. As long as the economy runs well that is all that matters
"Not buying south korean products gives you a good score!"
"Sharing Chinese and anti west propaganda will give you good credit!"
The possibilities are endless 😂 goodbye freedom, not like that had that much of it in the first place. Time to be controlled! 👌👍
BH same thing as credit score dumbass
gracieafur 1 you're a dumbass if you think they're the same🤣
BH you're an American if you think they're not
Credit scores are spending and paying habits. They're only used to see if someone can reliably make payments.
Social credit is used to dictate what the government deems good behavior. It's nearly brainwashing by forcing people to act like the state wants, be loyal to the state, and to ostracize outsiders and people who think differently. It's a tool to control the masses
You really are a dumbass if you think they're the same.
Jacob Wiles exactly. But i bet his score went up for being a sheep ;)
Jesus it's like some of them are walking commercials for the thing. I was relieved to see at least one person who seemed to be thinking about this critically. I feel like some of the people are eager just to prove they have good scores, almost like they are back in school showing off their grades. It's odd and scary
just like Black mirror's episode of nosedive
High scores means u have lots of money and can get a loan from banks easily. average score means u r a common man
@Einzbernねこ u know nothing,Jon Snow.Have u ever used Alipay?
@Einzbernねこ So what?
@Einzbernねこ pointless
That one guy really hates Jaywalking. The last speaker has my eternal respect.
must be a taxi driver
Lol I live in china, and jaywalking is a big thing. With sucha a huge populatiob, there is like 15 pple jaywalking and It delays traffic
Lol they're all saying that they wouldn't unfriend their friend if that friend had a low score but if this system actually takes place, I doubt that those people would still be saying the same thing 😂. It's human nature to prioritise your own interests 🤷
Issy
There's a reason why you fail social and political science exams if you outright generalize human nature like that. 😑
Issy no you are wrong. Personal credit in Alipay is not something important For Chinese people. What they say is Just suggestions. The App is measure people's credits by the loan. Not any other thing.
Anonymous Panacea Never said everyone thinks like me. In theory, obviously everyone would want to be friends with whoever no matter the social status, but if that then affects your own standard of living, wouldn't it be difficult for all citizens to maintain that way of thinking?
If the system promotes certain behavior such as punishement for being friends with someone with a low score, and if the path of least resistance is unfriending this person then that's what the majority of people will do.
If you listen to their arguments here most people said:" I am not against it because I am well behaved etc. meaning "It wont have any negative impact on me." This itself is a self centered egoistical argument.
People are driven by their intetests and they naturally look for an easy way to get it.
Of course this is only an abstraction which cannot predict in the end every singel type of behavior there is. But this is the key point. Social systems are not people. It's more than us, it's bigger. We make it happen yet it would also exist without us. It is us and it is also more than us. We define it and we are defined by it. It's a natural process.
My credit score is very low, I can't use many public transportation, my friends have to go out without me, they unfriend me by this way.
Eating junk food effects your credit?!
Unbridled insanity.
There are't suck things. Over thinking.
😂How dumm you are to believe this is true
@@fanxia3234 Damn you got me bro I apologize for not being up on Chinas credit system. I promise I will make more time for such important issues in the future. Good job on you knowing about it though I am sure your vast repository of knowledge has served you well financially. I live 10 mins form one of the nicest beaches in the U.S. how about you?
@@fanxia3234 China bot spotted
I've been to China, and studied it and the people's culture for years. It's important to understand that Chinese culture and thinking is very different from the norm in the West. They don't have a social consciousness in the same way Westerners tend to. Chinese value the family very highly, but for people who are not your family, well who cares about them? I believe younger people are becoming more socially aware because of increased urbanisation, but there are still a lot of people who will happily rip you off, not bother about keeping public toilets clean, spit on the street (I once saw an old guy open the window of a bus and spit out of it - had to control my laughter), and outright break the law if they believe they won't get caught.
Social credit is I believe intended to help create the social consciousness an urbanised and developed country needs to function well and fairly. The thinking is that if people know ripping people off and spitting on the street will reduce their score, they'll stop doing it. It's also intended to encourage "good" behaviour. To have a chance of working, the criteria for good and bad behaviour will need to be spelled out in a transparent manner, and the government will need to listen to and consider the people's input on what is acceptable to regulate or not. Being penalised for buying knockoff or low quality goods sounds like it will penalise poor people. That could help entrench inequality.
As far as privacy goes, many Westerners would be opposed to this kind of system, and I myself have concerns about how it could be abused, but Chinese people on the whole do not care much about privacy. It hasn't been a thing in East Asian culture until after it came into contact with Western ideas. A Chinese parent will think nothing of entering their kid's bedroom without knocking, even when the kid is an adult. The government also tends to be thought of as a parental figure, though not always as a good parent. With that in mind, I suspect most Chinese will be ok with a social credit system as long as the system is transparent and open to adjustment. I for one can see the potential benefits as well as the potential down side.
Woah, fancy seeing you here C-Milk.
Wait spitting in the street is bad?
+raidiar I didn't bother to check because I thought no one would impersonate someone like cmilk. lmao.
Finally, a comment that actually TRIES to view the issue through a Chinese lens rather than a Western lens. To judge this system by Western moral value systems is Eurocentric, narrow-minded and under weird academic terms could even be considered post-colonialist. I thank you for your viewpoint.
I agree with you that there is a huge culture differences between China and western countries. But we are now in information era, means nearly no privacy at all. Don't even think about that you can protect your privacy 100%. You access to ISP, cell phone network, Facebook, instagram, youtube everyday. either FIB, CIA or hacker will break into your data if necessary. Not even countries can protect their information, you have to know the PRISM program. I don't even think Amish people would resist it.
Just like guns in states, if you can't ban it totally. We don't you use gun to protect yourself. Try to think half full, rather than half empty. Most of terrorists have records in bureaus of government, but they still attacked. In contrast, lots of innocent people were criticized only because their nationalities. Even Obama has a "Hussein" in his name, ironically. Anyway, that's not my point. People can make good use of it, by using the credit based on that. Governments pursuit criminals more efficiently. Residences can also benefit from it. Communicate between strangers are no more barriers, trust can be built in a flash.
Again, anything could have double sides, just like gun. Gun can kill, as well as vehicles, planes, metals and so on.
1984 incoming
tired of living in the Brave New World?
It's not Hell, but I can't imagine Hell looking a lot worse.
It's here already and people are embracing it
It's disturbing how some are willing to sacrifice freedom for security without examining the cost...there's something terribly wrong with that country, isn't there?
It’s been 1984 in China since 1949
ANOTHER AMAZING POST! I honestly love black mirror and the series on The Netflix channel and honestly the world shouldn't be so dependent on technology. We will soon forget what we truly stand for and instead get so caught up with a number on a screen..
Technology is a wonderful tool. But so is a hammer. And you can use a hammer to smash someone's face.
I actually already hate the uber ratings. Drivers will happily give you crap ratings
+Jarren Ong .. there is no reason for that shit. People change according to who they are with. People can have their opinion without influencing other people, they are basically depriving those others of their opinion by making an statement from 1-10 chart.
Nothing wrong with technology, but the abuse of technology is what we should be worry about..
I'm Chinese so that's a contradictory statement. But of course you wouldn't be able to know~ But yes I will use technology as a minimum! Always in proportion my friend ^^
the internet was a beautiful place when you could make a GeoCities website and have a snazzy background and share cool mp3s with people.
I remember those good times
this is making me so angry and disappointed in humanity. are they really so naive? they want this system because of some things they see as positive, while they just dont take the negative sides seriously.
of course they will unfriend their friends or shop certain things or behave like the government wants them to once they want to get a visa to travel or want to get a certain job or buy a house!! of course they will all turn into manipulated robots! there is no other way once this all starts. or has it already?
We are doing the same thing, freely giving away our privacy to the likes of Facebook and Google. Convenience always wins.
NEX is the key to all of this.
Those interviewees are who have high scores and rich enough. They don’t think about poor ppl.
I think most of them do not understand the credit system and the problems possibly associated with it. On the other hand, if the government decides to implement it, they have no choice, so they have to persuade themselves to ignore the negative aspects
Maby because there are not that big negative things about it? I don't think they are that stupid...
It’s like CCP is actually getting ideas from George Orwell and Black mirror episodes lmao
Tae Son its literally that black mirror episode.
While it looked all bright and in an idealistic world, it had this creepy feel the whole time.
Whats more scary though is the interviewees acceptance to this ridiculousness.
Actually china announced this is 2014, the black mirror episode was in 2016. Theyve been beta testing for a few years now.
Arrogant Americans! Obviously, black mirror steals that idea from China! :P
Y Qisq That's not better!
jay kay - and a brit would never steal an idea or concept from somewhere else right?
The beginning of the end, character assassination has become a governmental tool for establishing a new social hierarchy.
You cannot criticize the government if you had an affair, or if you haven't said hello to your neighbour this morning.
Bago Garde
You dont get it, do you?
Natasel
It is not about you getting information, it is about what information about yourself you want other people to know. And I think everybody should have the right to keep certain things secret.
Natasel
The heck? Maybe it is my bad English, but don't you think that you should have the possibility to keep things about yourself secret?
I was not talking about the state, but about the citizens.
Natasel so you would want someone to know your most private of actions and happenings in your life? A person is a tyrant for not wanting the world to know these things that are personal to themselves?
There are things the world does not deserve to know about you and no one owes these details to anyone.
comment section be like : it's disrespecting your private, bro y'all using Facebook, goggle, YT and iPhone 💀😂.
But the difference is that you can decide to stop using any of those social media platforms at anytime, which is not the same situation in China. Where every detail of your personal information will be stored in databases which the government can have access any time. And anyone who dares to criticize the goverment on the internet or in real life will be punished by lowering your score or probably even be sent to prison (depending on how serious the accusation was). And in China almost all transactions and trade are done by these social apps (except maybe in poor villages). Even if you don't use those apps and the internet (which is almost impossible), you will still be recorded by the millions of CCTV cameras in your local city.
if they would even suggest this in the netherlands, we would burn the government buildings the same day
lol like you did when the Nazis rolled in, you guys are weak, and accomplices
You tough guys should be borne in WWII
So should have you, little chinese man
uhhu
say that to my face tough guys
What amazes and frightens me most is the way these people completely ignore the danger of the government
abusing this this type of system against political dissidents or rivals.
The ultimate way to control and punish Wrong Think !!!
Sam m actually ，without these things the government can still be able to do that
But the problem is if you are really dealing with a dangerous or government, the only thing could help you is just leaving that country. So why not stop worrying and just live with that government as life is still pretty good here lol.
I liked your comment,butt,when u only have one party..u dont have any..they dont take sides so u dont need to ...just think about that
You do not understand China. Political rivals do not care about the public.
They need to watch the Black Mirror episode
You can see the possible benefits to society and how this could be used well, but this system will also very likely be used to ostracize and limit people who have expressed any kind of opposing views to the government. If people become more fearful of expressing different opinions, then it becomes less likely that people become more exposed to different opinions and more likely that individuals will feel shock or anger at hearing different opinions. The acceptable opinions that are circulated will become somewhat akin to religion/faith. It's natural for humans to mimic each other in thought and behavior, so I think this kind of censorship is the most effective at creating somewhat of a hive-mind with respect to what the government deems to be the most sensitive political topics.
wethebishop ,fakely,it is will only work in a "busy society" ,people dont have much time to "think about life" rather than living in it
RIGHT!
The line between black mirror and reality isn't just blurred, it's ceasing to exist, and its freaking me out
And then the next step will be a Psycho Pass world.
But with the current system they want to implement, people can be blackmailed bullied through this. And if a person is angry at someone, they can say something bad about them out of spite. It's worrisome
This is not a new thing, all ex-socialist countries, including mine ran by this sentiment. I’ve heard horrific stories from my grandparents.
It seems as if everyone has just given up, which is incredibly depressing. Rating based on a person's actions can leave devastating effects on lives and those around them.
They're scared
This is so scary.. o_o I saw this on Dutch tv (where I am from) if our government would decide to do something like this there would be protests on the street everywhere..
Melissa Faye Yes but to be fair. The Mocro mafia in the Netherlands is really a big issue2. I rather have a government providing safety. Than a migrant group ruling the streets, though.
That is a more complex thing then you think. And very racist to say too.. Let me geus you are someone who votes PVV? Yes there are some criminals who are from Arabic decent in our country but there are also a lot who are white. But don't you think they have had a tougher life? That how things are in our country puts them on the road that will lead them too act how we see them stereotypically? If we had a better system that would provide for them more and not just dump them all in the same place I think their lives would be a lot different. Where are you from anyway? I presume not from the city?
Melissa Faye calling me racist for that😲! Dont tell me the Netherlands is going fully Libtarded!
Melissa Faye But China is potrayed as a Big fat bully in the Netherlands. And when in China it seems to be a huge contrast. The west has UA-cam we have Weibo. Even there you can find alot of western music. Its not really they censored everything. We just have alternatives.
We always where a liberal country and a socialistic one for quite some time now. And thank god because because of that we have good healthcare and education. Don't tell me you are not happy with that? Oh, and the fact that we can smoke weed because we are a social liberal country or do you not wish for that too?
"Social credits is a great idea!!" +10 points
For people who wonders why we trust our government so much let me give you a point of view
""Culture""
🇨🇳= parent( government) and it's child (citizens)
Lmao, why does that guy have such a vendetta against jaywalking? It's a pointless law for countries that do have it.
That's why a social credit system might fix such dangerous behaviour. If you've been on the road for long enough, you'll understand how much of a scare it gives when an idiot decides to cross a no-crossroad street without looking to see oncoming cars. What pisses me even more, when jaywalkers KNOW there's a car coming, but still cross the street, because they think the car will stop for them.
you won't think it's important until you knock someone jaywalking to death
It's a big problem in China
Urban China has a huge pedestrian population and movement needs to work like clockwork in order to efficiently keep everybody where they need to be and not waste time. I can understand his frustration.
You will understand after you experienced enough Chinese driving. Some people even jaywalking on the highway, sigh......
At least these people know their data is being abused, people on facebook didn't know till recently and flipped shit when they found out lol
We should start with our governments first.
*Let's rate them first,* before they berate us for the amount of junk food shopping we do :-)
There should be a different score for social behavior and economic behavior, because there are a lot of nice people who can also go into debt, but still are socially nice. While there are also the people who have a lot of income, but treat others with insults under stress, or casually when on the Internet.
Also, the credit card companies, Internet companies and banks already have this score number. They just keep the rating hidden from the personal view, because they sell such ratings to other banks and insurance companies.
The rating on AirBNB, or the rating of comments on YTube is a much more correct value for the social score, than the spending score on potato chips, or mortgage prepayment records.
great comment
This is really scary. People don't realize that this kind of rating system can lead the government to give lower rates to people with a different opinion, and higher to people that support the government. What kind of behaviors will the government treat as "good behaviors" and "bad behaviors"? This can easily destroy freedom of speech...
Wilderman Niño, which country in the world today has REAL freedom of speech?
@@RealAnastasia Switherland
What u currently think it’s what people thinks 50 years ago about credit cards. That’s the future.
@@CriftPro ...
Apart from the man with the glasses, the interviewed people are crazy. It didn't even cross my mind that people would actually wánt this system. I am stunned.
no matter you want it or not, this system is happening in every western country, right now, and forever
Dodo Gopapa No, a non-governmental form of big data collecting is currently happening all over the world. Not a system which is controlled by a government, and seeks to legitimize controlling every minor part of your life. If this was "already happening all over the world", why would the CCP even suggest this system?
amikazekoenful
U know what i am stunned of...? It's you really believe in you have privacy in your country... come on.. dude.. be realistic. Google, facebook. US government...the list goes on... they have more information about you than you know about urself... wake up....
You falsely assume we all use google and facebook, and that we are all registered users of youtube. As for the government, you falsely assume everyone is in the US, and that the government is tracking everyone equally.
Perhaps you should read my comment again. I dont deny that I have no privacy already, I'm just saying that regulating it through governmental law is making it much much worse.
Thanks for the insight! this was rly interesting to watch👏
接受采访的时候状态很不好啊，很多想说的没说出来。而且被采访的时候我没想到视频标题会变成这样啊，还用了黑镜。所以看到很多interesting的英语评论也不意外，就用中文刷波存在感吧！
我觉得asian boss的翻译很到位但是就是这个标题有点emmm。意识形态又不一样，底下误解太多了。感觉没法交流
黄瓜 是啊，所以都不想回英文了，确实没有办法解释，况且很多人现在先看标题也不一定好好看视频，有一点点不好的引导了，毕竟黑镜是部黑色幽默的讽刺剧，我还挺爱看的😂😂
被采访的时候知道是asianboss么
黄瓜 知道啊，我国外的同学挺多fo的，自己倒是看的不多，UA-cam用的还是少
不要踩他们 我们说出自己的话就可以了
通过这个视频，我基本能判断出这个上传者是用西方视角看东方 而不是把东方视角解释给西方
先入为主的预置观点的痕迹太明显了
Simon Koo 而且征信系统是国外先有的啊。。。。。芝麻信用也可以不参加，没什么影响
@ChengSpring 傻逼
Also, Asian Boss can you ask Korean and Japanese people what they think about this? Thanks!
It wouldn't really affect them, so I'm not sure how useful their opinions might be on the issue. You could really ask anyone around the world what they thought of this, but you might receive many impersonal responses.
I would really like to hear from them what they think too
Since it isn't happening to them I don't think they would have any idea..
MadlyInAngerWithYou9 their opinion wouldn't be of use This new Social system isn't happening to them js
Alex Liu There's one way this could potentially affect foreigners, though-- presumably, foreigners will have a 0 score. What happens when I can no longer interact with my Chinese friends online, because they don't want to friend a 0 score?
Damn, that title
It's all fine as long as the government has the same beliefs as you. If they implement this system and give low scores for anyone who's a certain race, certain religion, certain sexuality, certain politic beliefs, the entirety of society will implode
what are u talking about? They've been doing this since independence. CCP has always been open to crackdowns, and people support it. Many people are more extreme than the government without realizing it ( even if they're really nice people), they want religions to be rid of (China is not doing enough, they merely put them in camps, the people want mosques to be demolished), they want more death sentences, they want crackdowns on celebrities, and if a celeb cheats and comeback, people get mad. They love cancel cultures, they follow the hype to report trending controversial (retarded) social media stars, just like we have all those degenerate content creators, China has them too, except they actually get taken down the platform. People rejoice and feel that they have a duty to create a better world until their own content gets taken down.
笑死我了，评论里一堆凶杀率前几国家的人来刷存在感，说“可怜的中国人”，这都不说了，你当美国的FICO分数和加拿大的信用分（还有欧美其他国家的）是开玩笑的吗？你们开心就好：））
so... I'm having panic attack because of this...
I like seeing Chinese people, as a person of diaspora, from the mainland have different and consistent values and opinions. Being open about things rubbing you the wrong way is great.
I love how smart these Chinese people are for the most part. They understand despite benefitting even and admit and acknowledge the outrageousness of certain aspects if not all.
the app mentioned in this video is a product of a private company called Alibaba. just like Facebook,Amazon,Apple.not the government.the title will make people misunderstand the case.
到底有什麼問題。完全不覺得。難道要等人出事才那邊處理？預防勝於治癒。起馬中國光明正大。國外fb暗底子監控有夠噁心
有些事情是做得太全面以至於人們認爲沒有必要，其實只有失一塹才能長一智。
This is misleading, You guys set up a context with black mirror for the audiences but those people in the video are asked by credit card like system how is it not good to be able to use a credit card
RustinPieber becoming* the rating is a very big deal
Do you really not understand how this is different from a credit system??? You cant be that dumb
There is a range, a difference in degree, not necessarily in kind. Credit ratings are also social controls, they reward behaviour the raters like. The question is how much further it can and will go.
The title is misleading. The whole video is talking about an online credit card rating system, but the comment section freaks out like they have never used a credit card before. LMAO
Hello good citizen! You are a shining example to your peers, have a 4.5 on me!
As an American citizen, a government mandated social credit system terrifies and enrages me. Gullible fools can feed all the information they like to the social media platform of their choosing, that's their business and I have no say in it. But for the government to do something like that? To demand that we maintain a web page detailing who we know, how long we have known them, whether or not we are still in touch, what we eat, what we buy, what we read and watch? To demand that we share private information that we would not otherwise have reason to? That is entirely too intrusive and it's none of their business.
I can see some benefits. Right now I'm applying for a job which requires a security clearance, and of course that means the government has to collect certain data about me. If a system like this was in place, that information would already be there and getting the clearance would take no time at all. For jobs that don't require a clearance, such a system would have one's employment history and conduct; like that one woman said, it's "the ultimate resume".
But what happens when the government decides certain people are now a threat? There's already a not-so-covert war on Christianity, but churches being bulldozed for violating building code simply by having a cross. There are regions in western China where Muslims are assumed to be terrorists and rebels. What happens when the government decides to outlaw religion entirely? Are people going to be arrested for no reason other than owning a bible or quran out of curiosity?
And having your score affected by others you associate with? Well, what happens if you personally make an honest mistake and your score dips below some arbitrary threshold? Would you be OK with friends and family forsaking you just to keep up their score? And how is your own score supposed to get back up when a lower one means fewer job prospects, fewer people willing to even talk to you?
I'm not so naive as to believe this stuff doesn't happen already. It's been happening for centuries; in the Wild West, if you had sex outside marriage the rest of the town would look down on you; depending on how far word spread, you'd have to move to another region entirely to get away from your shame. In 1950's America, if you were friendly to someone not of your own skin color you were sure to be ridiculed and ostracized. And let's not forget the Holocaust happened half a century before cell phones and databases even existed.
But a system like this gives a frightening level of power to the government because it makes controlling a population far easier. And any system is not perfect; someone WILL find a way to cheat the social credit system, and if that person happens to gain political power then there's much greater chance for evil to be done. You might think it's good for you because you already follow the law, you already behave like a good citizen, and such a system would only serve to punish the "bad guys". But what happens when the system decides *you* are the bad guy? Will you still believe in the system when you're abducted and tortured by your own government because your friend suddenly snapped and committed a heinous crime? Would you stand with your father on the firing line when he's being executed for his faith? Will you go quietly into the night when people of your education level are made public enemy?
As I said, none of these doomsday scenarios are new. Humanity has been the greatest threat to its own survival ever since one tribe saw another on the opposite side of the river. This social credit technology simply enables discrimination, segregation, and genocide to happen much more efficiently and easily than ever before. I simply don't trust any government enough to handle that kind of power responsibly.
lol i never before saw people being happy about more regulations, control from the government and surveillance..
i have the feeling i only saw one sane person in this video...
Because they are chinese. Don't forget that China is under communist dictatorship. They don't know what freedom is.
If you think committing crime, killing people, having bad manners are part of the freedom, then go for it :) Wish the best luck of you and your country.
9qbqb1// haha. Do you think Chinese government only give a credit to crime and bad manners? Don't be silly. They will monitor what you write on social media and what conversation you have and whom you talk to and give a credit.
Are you Chinese? Can I ask you something? Can you criticize publicly your government on social media in China? Can Chinese newspaper criticize their own government? No? Then you don't have freedom
They talk about Alibaba,it’s a commercial system,nothing to do with official
I can. People can. But I guess you have no idea. Cause you only speak English and have never experienced anything outside of your town. If you have never lived like a Chinese citizen before, stop assuming anything, and stop being silly. I bed you. Jesus Christ.
This is too slippery of a slope to implement. Hopefully this idea isn't widespread.
W C, not widespread? NSA has taken it pass the point of no return decades ago.
The guy with glasses, wow!
As a Chinese citizen, I would love to be monitored so I can motivate myself to be a uprising citizen and not to break any laws. I don't need privacy. And only people with evil agenda going on will be afraid of such system. Don't think of yourself that important, no government will look into your privacy unless you have done something seriously wrong.
蚂蚁信用和黑镜差远了好吧。故意做这种视频误导人。
不不不，一切都是从初级开始的
标题党哪都有啊～
233 X 我也觉得好吧
就是啊 根本就不是一个东西啊 就好像你办信用卡 也会审核你的信用状态啊 看你的账单啊 这个视频真的太白痴了
讨论的也是政府提出的社会信用系统。当然人家知道黑镜是夸张。我们没那么愚蠢
I mean, from a dictatorial stand point, its interesting to see them using a social credit system to peer pressure citizens into acting a certain way, rather than more traditional oppression. Once it's in place, im interested in how i affects chinese society.
Skkorm they can use it to oppress citizens and they already said they will. They will lower your score if you buy bad quality products. Thats a vague statement and its vague for a reason. If you buy a product from a different country like apple, they lower your score
@@Ishiinrue He already said he comments 'from a dictatorial stand point'.
The lady in the fur sweater is a prime example of when an education removes your critical thinking abilities.
Her stance swings between "I'm a good citizen, it won't affect me" and "Our information is already abused, we can take a little more."
I don't think I could breathe the same air as her. No critical thinking, no danger trigger, no response except conditioned obedience, always obedience.
laowhy86 You've made the wrong choice in stealing the real laowhy86 channel ID. This shows who you are as a person. This may be cool in China, to steal someone's identity, but not everywhere else. You've been reported.
He got deleted... YES
I am extremely disappointed that asian boss decided to use such a biased video title and thumbnail that guides the viewers to think a certain way before they click into the video. This basically reveals their opinions on the issue. Isn’t the goal of Asian Boss to make fair videos that unbiasedly explains the situation, without intentionally guiding the viewers? Why the clickbait... If this was Korea, the title would probably be “What do Koreans think about their their future online credit system” with a photo of their phones. That introduction clip in the beginning was also really inaccurate and dramatic. Citizens aren’t going around rating people themselves everyday...
But china is going to make that in 2020, thad why
@@LauraLin_ no, that's what western media is telling you
@@santiagorappy71 oh, i didn't know that :0
Actually seems like nobody is conscious about how does Alipay Credit works, they give you points when you buy thru Alipay and you pay your loans, and the real question is, what are those points used to? First of all, the points are yours, and the government has nothing to do with them, second, they're used for you to get bargains in an easier way, and have discounts and coupons, it's like online currency, you give credits, and the things get cheaper
Believe me, government control your credit evaluation is far better than private enterprise control.
Get the "government critic"-trophy, by starting your Weibo-post with "I disagree" to have your social credit score lowered to 0.
Please do another version of this interview concerning the recent wave of travels bans/how the social credit system actually blocks people from travel.
This is "black mirror" in real life. I hope this totalitarian idea won't spread beyond Asia.
Alex Mercer I
The natural evolution of this technology will lead to a cast system based on scores. People will be forced to act and express their thoughts accordingly to the social norms, because obviously they will fear the repercussions. It will greatly benefit those in power and will keep the status quo forever.
If you call this totalitarian control of the individual, efficiency an order, which will slow or stop the human progress, then be my guest, embrace it and move to China.
The orville also has an episode covering the social credit system.
Its fucking rediculous. Completely destroys what remains of people's freedom. But if I was trying to control people it would be the ultimate tool of power.
GRIM UA-cam Channel yes, because I'm only talking robbery and killing, especially since those are the only things that define freedom. /s
How will this affect turism. Do we have to get a temporary social score or are we exempt from this system. If we get a score will it be based on nationality. Amount of money in our wallets how will this work?
dont work for tourist... you need to spend money for sometime in china first. then the system will give you a score . you can use the score to make loan. you dont need anything or anyone to prove your credit. if you pay back loan on time then your score will be higher.
what if someone hacks into your account and deliberatly lowers your score, you are practically done for
It is basically a line of credit that exists everywhere! The only difference is the credit is given by a tech company who wants to build an online bank, not a traditional bank. So where is the problem?
If this is scary, then what about those data and our privacy collected by Google, Apple or Facebook all this time?
Robin Tyrium. It isn't just a line of credit. Typically, credit is based on income and how you use your income, whether or not you are careful with it. THIS credit rating is based on your SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR. If how you behave socially is deemed unacceptable, your social credit rating will be lower, and it will affect your monetary credit rating. If you have a friend who has a bad social or monetary credit rating, it will affect YOUR social and monetary credit rating. Get it now? This is about controlling your social, shopping, political and psychological behaviors, and those same behaviors of your friends. The danger lies in WHO is deciding WHAT is acceptable.
@@Wraithworshipper no, your comment is based on fictional series Black Mirror, but social credits from Alipay gives you discounts, and make renting things cheaper, you achieve them by using Alipay and paying your loans
@@santiagorappy71 No. I watched no fictional series. I watched a documentary about the system being put in place in China.
@@Wraithworshipper the documentary of which source?
Sherry always looks so serious at the beginning of each video. 😂
The issue is... well like the people who ardently go after others they disagree with over political views and try to get them fired from their job and smear their reputation by calling them whichever bad names stick. So now you can have concerted efforts to actually tank someone's score and it actually will detrimentally effect their lives. You can organize attacks to actually discredit and harm people instead of just writing angry letters to their employer and the employer actually knows the person and laughs it off as a bunch of crazy people.
As a chinese, I have no descrimination about a credit system. it helps people get a loan. it also harm human right and privacy. As for privacy, facebook and other apps have been used as a tool to collect my data for many years. The key issue that I need concern is how can we prevent the abuse of this power. Supervision is a problem for all countries especially for undenocratic China.
This social credit system also reminds me of Wongfu's movie "Everything Before Us" - except it's called Emotional Integrity instead of social credit, but basically almost the same or some even more stricter rules apply (i.e. if you break up with someone, your score goes down dramatically - especially if the circumstances were bad - and people judge your for everything you do in life). Also, I'm completely down for a social credit system, but one that's vague, not have too many rules (doesn't judge on absolutely everything) and doesn't have too much material/capitalism rewards (same goes for punishment). Some people could use the system to their advantage and maybe pay someone off or pretend to be good while secretly doing bad things and still having a good social score (this sort of thing actually happened in the film "Everything Before Us"). I personally think that being judged for your negative social behavior and being refused certain things and being judged is fine, since we as a society do this anyway - it will just be more visible instead. And like someone else in this comment section said, there are some people who could become victims of this system if there are too many rules in place or if the company or CEO in charge of the company has some sort of agenda to make. For example, in the video, buying cheap goods should not be something worthy for a decreased social score.
Two concerns I have here:
1) Since China is tough on dissent and sometimes people can get arbitrarily imprisoned for criticizing matters like these, was there any risk to the interviewees if they expressed too much disapproval on camera?
2) For once, I honestly can say I don't think the questions were deep enough. You should have asked whether or not they believe people could be entirely misjudged based on their social credit score, and pose some thought-provoking questions about whether or not criteria to determine for merit and good character is ever as simple or error-prone as one might like to think (while providing examples). You implied it here and there with a few questions, but never directly asked it.
Cyfiero I guess it has something to do with probability. tens of people get into jail out of 1.4 billion people is not a big deal
Zongyang Li
Yeah, I get what you mean. From what I gather, it's a bit inconsistent sometimes?
Sad that so many people people respond to shame (society's sactions) instead of guilt (self sanction). And no you don't need religion just a empathic compassion for humanity. Generally it us a bad idea though for it ease to be abused in many different ways. The Legalist philosophy makes people lawless while Mohism makes you behave because you have compassion.
imo if you're a rich or having high social credit then you're in stable but if you're broke/rehabilitated/having crime records/low social credit or even outcasted person then it is game over in china
as of me which is pretty bad to be honest
I used to like a few videos made by Asian boss, but this one is just so misleading!!! They didn’t even give a context. The reporters are assuming the system is just like the black mirror, the respondents are talking about a system that’s basically same as credit card system that’s only app based and for shopping. It’s similar to coupons and how credit works with mortgages and investments in the west. People wondering why everyone is so accepting? Because they are talking about something that’s totally different.
The answer is: Yes. And It is scary.
So maybe an influencer can influence your score just bombarding with his fallowers ? Or a bunch of people can organize and "attack" someone else score? Or it is the government to rank ? And so it could be like a dictatorship?
Social credit is a bad idea. It will force people to behave a way that isn’t them. Forcing everyone to follow rules. Be nice. Some people who are simply miserable. Or have quirks about them will be punished. They might try to fit in and just go mad one day for not being themselves. For living a lie
It seems Chinese people trust their government and are not afraid that that kind of surveillance could be used to crash political dissidents.
They will get lower social credit if they criticise it so obviously they will say they love it. Its like asking a North Korean to say what they think of the supreme leader They have to say they love him or get taken to a concentration camp and all their family and friends with them. Its not as bad consequences but look what they are doing in Xinjiang its literally concentration camps.
The loyal servant will be taken care of.
I'm not sure how this system works but I think some people in the comments are overreacting. The system is more based on how trustworthy you are, and it's the same as your credit card score (FICO score I think?). It's not like Black Mirror where you have to rank others, so that everybody became fake. To get high sesame credit score, you just need to return things in time, pay your loans in time, etc. And this is a pretty fair system.
What if the system gets expanded to your opinions and private life?
Let's say you were to write on Weibo that Xi Jinping shouldn't be allowed to be president for an unlimited time and because of that, your score gets lowered by 200 points.
The government can make certain people's lives super hard, if everyone relies on that system.
Honestly, I don't think that would work. Does your credit score relate to your twitter (so if you complain about your bank, your score will drop 20 points? lol) ? As far as I know, the sesame system is only to monitor people's financial situation so this would mostly affect money-wise issues. I'll do more research on it and let you know.
Zuo Zhou well... I think that the CCP would definitely take advantage of it. I mean, they're already persecuting regime critics, so why not make it easier to punish them?
Anything can turn terrible if the method is wrong. I guess my point is we should not get any conclusions before we actually see how this system works. Westerners enjoy demonizing the Chinese government and I find it amusing. lol.
Zuo Zhou I just hope that if you think that this system turns out to be bad, you'll still be able to get rid of it afterwards.
It's true that the Chinese government has a pretty bad image and people tend to be biased. I am too sometimes, although I know that it has done good for most of the people, of course there is no black and white.
Please try to understand that I, as a non-Chinese, can criticize the Chinese government and love China and its people at the same time. It's not the same thing. The people who make the rules are just very few and don't have anything to do with all the amazing chinese people I have met.
As an outsider, I would advise you not to trust the people who have power too much. Most of the time they care about themselves in the first place and not as much about the little people. I always try to have a healthy amount of second thoughts and reflect about what my government is doing (or trying to do) and think about whether it's actually good for the people.
It is Orwellian dystopia. Some people are saying it's not much different than credit score or criminal record. But let me tell you one thing those things are still little private, your nearby coffee shop waiter might not be knowing those things and serving you according to that. Anyway those two have limited effects. Bad credit score will hamper your firther use of banking system, but bad social score can ruin your life. People make mistakes, but everyone learns from them, it should not be used to haunt them for life. People being interviewed are saying "It will force people to be good", tell me who's going to decide what's good behaviour and what's not. Anyday new government can change that variable. Some people might have underlying medical conditions which can make them little less social than everyone, what will happen to them. This can be used in so many wrong ways.
Government should be answerable to people for everything they do not the reverse.
I feel like this system is completely oblivious to the idea that people can learn from their mistakes and change. If you messed up once, you will have to struggle for very long... if you get out at all.
So you'd say someone who's a bully in high school (e.g. someone from a fucked up childhood) should be punished FOR LIFE even if they regret it a lot and try their best to make up for it, therefore are a completely changed person?
Just no.
What a massive difference in culture, all this talk about regulation would never be heard in America.
How's that different from US' social security system?
Social security isn't the right word. That is money for retired people. You are thinking of credit scores.
This is not a social credit system at all.
Zhi Ma Xin Yong is a financial credit system run by a PRIVATE Fintech company. The system is only used for deciding whether this Fintech company would lend money to individuals and that’s it. Many Chinese people were actually surprised when this APP turned into a social credit system on foreign medias. For my foreign fellows, this is why no Chinese people are protesting against it. Most questions in this interview were asking for predictions of interviewees IF a social credit system is implemented in future China.
Many Chinese users (the comments in Chinese) are quite amused by how this rumor became a big piece of news and are expressing their “what???” in this comment section. There is some misunderstanding ppl.
THANK YOU OMGG! I've been hoping you'd do it!! 非常谢谢您~
Don’t be fooled people, consider what your values are and stick to them ( like super glue ) ... love from England
I only see western seing China with their intolerant view having zero knewlegde of China.
This system have downsides and I don't like it but I hate more a lot western speaking about it.
For those who are afraid of things going wrong, we are using cars, aeroplanes and fire stoves, which are very dangerous. New technology always comes with risk, but we don't ban it just because of the risk. Instead, we take the advantages of it while avoiding the risks.
The funny thing is that I think this system will backfire badly. People will figure out what matters and what doesn't, people who are genuinely bad will game the system and people who are good won't expect that they get worse scores.
So I think it will create a culture of resentment against the social credit and the young will especially rebel against it, and it will become like Facebook where only old people care about it and everyone else will just do the bare minimum to not get hurt by it.
In the light of the Facebook scandal probably not for us.
Natasel Yes Zuckers did say that.
Seems like obsequious resignation really is a thing!
will mathonsi Exactly! "Here's why I agree with being abused and manipulated..."
I think more Westerners will think it's scary. Growing up in China and US, I feel Asians feel less stressed about privacy. It's more about ideology, not about wisdom. However, no matter where are you from, you are already under "surveillance. " Like, we click on New york times, we buy tickets online.....These websites already keep track of our footprints. We just never realize it. Everything comes with good and bad things. If it can provide greater good, then it might be fine. Like, the sesame credit can allow people book hotels without paying. On the day people check out, they pay.
I pulled Jury duty and during the selection process that took a week, they threw off all the Chinese because each and every one didn't believe in giving all the accused a fair trial. It turned out that all evidence revealed that two of the three accused had nothing to do with a killing, and the third guy causes the fatal shooting in a struggle with yet another guy who had fired off a loaded gun, of his own but was taken out of the game because he was a police snitch. Three guys would have gone down for murder, as far as the Chinese were concerned. The judge, at one point of all these Chinese being poled by attorneys and showing pure apathy for justice said, "If you feel that way about our country's justice system why don't you go live in Russia??" We're talking, a DEATH PENALTY judge. (And he's appalled by the Chinese willingness to throw away three lives).