What if North Korea won the Korean War? | Alt History
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- An alternate history of Korea in which the North defeats the South during the Korean war and unites the whole peninsular under the rule of the Kim Family...
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I believe that DPRK would be less poor and corrupt if they won the Korean war
They'd spend less on the military and be a bit less paranoid that much is certain, maybe that could trickle down and improve living standards a little bit.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Sometimes they need to spend to strengthen their military strength and defense against invasion from the US and its allies
K-pop: *doesn't exist*
*V-pop intensifies*
We don't have Samsung, Ssanyong, Hyundai, Kia and K-POP, worst timeline 💀
and no buldak noodles too 😭
No squid game
no kpop is the only benefit
@@maxbradley4097no it isnt
@@FodaseNaoLigoWhy?
So no 12 year old K-pop addicted girls?
For better or for worse, yes.
They would be J-Pop addicted, due to the mass Korean immigration to Japan in the 50s. Due to the South Koreans being exiled from their country.
Our timelime: Have you ever heard about K-POP or ever tried Korean food.
This timeline: [Visible Confusion]
Unless you live in Korea you're looking at everyone with visible confusion lol
In thes timeline i don't even know who is Eunha or Yerin or even Korean Culture
Kim Pop
Our Timeline: "I love South Korea"
Alternate Timeline: "I love South Vietnam"
The British, French, and Israelis probably would ignore the US with the Suez crisis in this scenario too
Possibly.
now do "What if South Korea won the Korean War?"
Syngman Rhee brings his Fascist Dictatorship to the North and is able to hold onto power longer.
But South Korea won in reality
@@belshazzarcoscolluela-152 not technically, it’s Korean War ended in a stalemate with neither sides winning.
@@belshazzarcoscolluela-152 If South Korea won, then North Korea wouldn't have been existed by now.
@@SubwayyyFan3000 there was no stalemate, the UN and south korea won. north korea failed to take the south, and the goal of the un was to protect sk's independence, which they did. today, north korea is a backwards pariah state doomed to fail within the next 5 decades, south korea is a prosperous economic and military powerhouse.
What if brazil joined the Axis?
Interesting idea, I'll get it made.
What if National Socialist mexican president Lázaro Cárdenas joined the Axis?
Losing South Korea sucks, but wow, I hadn't thought about how these butterflies would then spare Cambodia the pains of such a bloodthirsty regime. And a continued pro-American capitalist presence in the Indochina region with South Vietnam would also perhaps complicate China's present-day efforts to dominate the South China Sea. This is surprisingly not a total disaster scenario for the USA.
Yeah crazy to think that in this world Korea and Vietnam essentially switched places. Preventing the Khmer Rouge gaining power is a massive positive, those guys were so extreme that in the end North Vietnam (after it reunifed the country) had to march in and get rid of them in our world.
Actually the existence of South Vietnam would probably help China since north Vietnam would be far more interested in keeping China as an ally thus expanding china's reach along the North Vietnamese coast.
But beyond the North Vietnamese coast, things get harder for China in this timeline with the surviving pro-American presence in the region. The USA now has more of a defined reason to interject when China projects power southwards.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352if south korea lost and was annex by the north, Then I wouldn’t even exist
Very nice video! I look forward for what content you will bring in future and admire your work!
Thanks a lot, I'm glad you liked it.
At night I wrote an alternative history scenario for Europe and the rest of the world. Starting in 1930. I'd love to show it to you, but unfortunately it's 3000 words and 20000 letters and I'd have to write it here in about ten comments.
What happens in your scenario
I'd like to hear more about your scenario.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 The year is 1930. A great economic crisis is spreading across Europe at the speed of a forest fire, and the popularity of radical parties, including fascist and communist ones, is growing in all European countries. Alexander I Karađorđević had already renamed the then Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes to the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and an absolutist monarchy was established in the country. His main goal was to reunify the then fractious nations within Yugoslavia and prevent potential assassinations led by both fascists and communists. Of course, it was also necessary to bring inflation under control and get the country back on its feet economically.
In this alternative history, the king decides on more radical solutions, so that the nationalists, especially the Croatian and Macedonian ones, do not represent such a big obstacle in the reconstruction of the then economically and socially unstable monarchy. In 1933, the king decides to sell Kosovo to Albania and Macedonia to Bulgaria, for three pragmatic reasons:
First: get money for the sold territory to rebuild the economy and tame inflation. For the economically weak Albania and Bulgaria, the gain of territory will also represent economic and especially moral recovery (Bulgarian and Albanian nationalists will be satisfied and will not favor a hostile policy towards Yugoslavia in the future.)
Second: get rid of the most nationalist nations that would pose a mortal threat to King Alexander I in the future (he was shot by a Macedonian pro-Bulgarian terrorist in France in 1934.) This will not happen in this alternate history.
Third: without Albanian and Macedonian opposition, it will be easier to keep both Slovenian and Croatian nationalists and Serbian communists at bay.
In 1934, the king decided to strengthen relations with France, especially with French Foreign Minister Louis Barthou. Fortunately, neither the king nor the French Foreign Minister are killed this time, and in the same year an alliance treaty is concluded in which France undertakes to help Yugoslavia militarily in the event of an attack by the Kingdom of Italy. Thanks to the fact that Louis Barthou was not killed, France rejects the British policy of Appeasement.
In 1935, Czechoslovak President Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk, French Foreign Minister Louis Barthou and King Alexander I Karađorđević conclude an alliance treaty in Belgrade. In the event of an attack on Czechoslovakia by Germany, both France and Yugoslavia are obliged to provide military assistance.
In 1936, Hitler is about to remilitarize the Rhineland. France, fearing communist opposition, decides to tolerate Hitler's act this time as well. However, the new French Prime Minister, Léon Blum, warns Germany not to attempt further violations of the Treaty of Versailles.
In 1937, the Little Entente (alliance between Czechoslovakia, Romania and Yugoslavia) was definitively reorganized. All these countries undertake to help each other in the event of an attack by Germany, Hungary, the Kingdom of Italy, or the Soviet Union.
The new Czechoslovak president Edvard Beneš will not decide to get closer to the Soviet Union this time. He does everything to have the best possible relations with all the states of the Little Entente. At the end of 1937, Poland also joined the Little Entente, after Czechoslovak President Edvard Beneš decided, following the example of Yugoslavia, to sell the Polish-inhabited Zaolzie to Poland.
In 1938, Hitler, Mussolini and Horthy began to find themselves in absolute isolation. They decide to avoid this by occupying Austria by Germany in March of the same year. In May, Czechoslovakia reacted to this with early mobilization. In the summer, Yugoslavia, which already bordered Germany, will do so.
In September, Hitler demands to join the German-inhabited Czech borderland (Sudetenland) to the Reich. Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia responded to this with partial mobilization. So far, Romania and France are only opting for early mobilization. Poland decides to concentrate most of the army near the border with the Soviet Union.
At the end of September, Hitler, Mussolini, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and French President Édouard Daladier meet in Munich.
At the same time in this timeline, Hungarian regent Miklós Horthy, Czechoslovak president Edvard Beneš, Romanian king Carol II and Yugoslav king Alexander I Karađorđević meet in Budapest.
While in Munich, despite the long-term rejection of Appeasement policy in France, everyone decided to recommend Czechoslovakia to give up the Sudetenland, in Budapest, Miklós Horthy decided to join the Little Entente for the claim to Austria.
On October 1, the Czechoslovak, Hungarian, and Yugoslav armies enter eastern Austria without declaring war, and Vienna is occupied by noon. Germans, Italians, but also the French are shocked by this act. By the end of the same day, northern, northeastern, eastern and southeastern Austria, is in the hands of the Little Entente.
On October 2, Hitler, in desperation, decided to send the entire Luftwaffe over Czechoslovakia and begin intensive bombing of all large Czech cities, including Prague. Due to the bad weather and thanks to the intervention of the Hungarian, Romanian and Yugoslav air forces, all German bombers are destroyed and the German fighters that were not shot down return to the German airfields.
Thanks to this tactical error, by the end of the first week of this anti-German intervention, the Czechoslovak, Hungarian and Yugoslav armies managed to occupy half of Austria, except for the mountainous Tyrol.
On October 8, the Wehrmacht begins to rebel against Hitler. Within a single week, the Germans managed to occupy only northern Bohemia north of the Elbe river, while half of Austria was occupied by Little Entente troops. On the same day, France announces partial mobilization.
On October 9, Hitler and Heydrich are shot dead in the German Chancellery building. Heinrich Himmler and Hermann Göring try to maintain order in the country, but in vain. France threatens both Nazi leaders with immediate intervention. Meanwhile, Mussolini decides to occupy the mountainous Austrian Tyrol with the Italian army. He is convinced that Germany has definitively lost.
On October 10, both Nazi leaders commit suicide. Erwin Rommel subsequently carries out a coup d'état and declares a military junta in the territories of Germany.
On October 11, an order is issued for the German army to withdraw from the northwestern parts of Czechoslovakia. Meanwhile, the Austrian Tyrol is under the full control of the Italian army.
On October 12, peace is definitively concluded between the German junta and the Little Entente countries.
On October 13, a conference is convened in Vienna, attended by Czechoslovak President Edvard Beneš, Hungarian Regent Miklós Horthy, Romanian King Carol II, Yugoslav King Alexander I Karađorđević, Italian Duce Mussolini, French Prime Minister Léon Blum and the leader of the German junta Erwin Rommel.
Austria will be divided into four occupation zones. The so-called Tyrolean zone, centered in Innsbruck, will be controlled by the Kingdom of Italy. The so-called Linz zone formed by the northern part of Austria north of the Danube river will be controlled by Czechoslovakia. The so-called Vienna zone formed by the eastern part of Austria will be controlled by Hungary. And finally, the so-called Carinthian zone with the center in Graz will be controlled by Yugoslavia.
The center of Austria, centered in Salzburg, is to be a demilitarized zone with a provisional government.
As for Germany, it is again condemned to demilitarize the Rhineland, but this time also Bavaria. In Berlin, a provisional government formed by communists, democrats and monarchists is formed. Erwin Rommel remains the leader of Germany.
This time, Germany is not forced to pay war reparations. To the surprise of all European states, industrial Czechoslovakia decides to resurrect economically and morally dead Germany.
On November 1 of the same year, a military union formed by the Little Entente countries, Italy, France and post-war Germany is established. The goal of this organization is to protect Germany from the communist revolution, but also from the Soviet Union itself. As for Spain, there is still a civil war going on there.
Unfortunately, the countries of the newly established TEA alliance (Trans European Alliance) do not have a unified idea of the fate of this state. Italy and Hungary want General Franco to win the war, while France and Czechoslovakia sympathize with the Spanish Republicans.
In the end, the TEA members decide not to intervene and wait for the eventual winner - which happens to be General Franco on April 1, 1939.
France, which has become the leader of the TEA, offers Nationalist Spain entry into the alliance under the condition of compliance with the Geneva Conventions. General
Franco accepts the condition and joins the TEA on May 1. A month later, neighboring Portugal will do the same.
In the summer, Mussolini offers King Alexander I Karađorđević the partition of the Kingdom of Albania. According to the offer, Yugoslavia can get Kosovo back, while Albania itself will fall to Italy as a puppet state. The Yugoslav king and other members of the TEA agree only on the condition that the rest of the Balkans, consisting of Greece and Bulgaria, remains independent.
After the invasion of Finland by the Soviet Union in the winter of that year, Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians decide to join the TEA.
Unfortunately the military union itself does not want to go to war with the Soviet Union. Fortunately, the Finns resist the attacks this time as well, and the Soviets annex only 10% of Finnish territory. In the spring of 1940, peace was concluded between the two countries.
@@jancerveny7502I think you should make a video about it
a world without K-Pop. a Better world
I love how this is the one positive everyone is deriving from this scenario lol
What if the USSR had won the cold war?
Interesting, I'll get it made.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352i have a couple interesting scenarios if u dont mind:
what if germany won ww2
what if germany won ww1
what if japan never bombed pearl harbor
what if the USSR was prepared for the german invasion
what if the USSR invaded germany
what if the USSR was led by Trotsky
what if lenin successfully invaded all of the ex-russian empire territories
what if the west invaded the soviet union before it could get nukes
what if naz! germany got nukes before the allies
what if the soviet union got nukes during ww2
what if japan had remained isolationist and never invaded any nation
what if the arabs discovered america
what if the chinese discovered america
what if the indians discovered america
what if the ottomans discovered america
@@justacat2 You have a lot of ideas, and I want to get them all made, which one would you like to see the most?
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 i'd like to know what if germany won ww2, also i like your content, i subscribed
@@justacat2 Thanks
What if Prussian Prince Leopold of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen became King “Leopoldo I” of Spain in 1871?
Interesting idea, I'll get it made.
Spain gets stronger
I believe they would look like modern Vietnam in that case. Considering their geographical location, it's almost certain they would widely open their borders for foreign investors. They would abandon all these communist stuff, and their foreign affairs would be much less aggressive.
I feel like this Korea could end up like Vietnam
If you know Vietnam, we are not Korea. North Vietnam in this timeline would be slightly stronger because Korea would be on our side. And Vietnam's strategic location and will to unify is different from Korea anyways. If Korea can unify, then so can we. That's why the Vietnam War lasted for 20 years while the Korean War lasted only 3 (technically it's still going on, but they only fight for 3 years).
A good analysis, but the difference in this is that the US will behave like it did in Korea rather than like it did in Vietnam in otl, that means they'd be a lot more direct and go in with a lot more force. But indeed, Vietnam is not Korea.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 I think even if the US tried harder, the war would only drag on for longer rather than ending in a stalemate. North Vietnam sees the war as a long-term war so they eventually would find a way to fight the US for longer, just like how we fought the French and the Chinese. Also, the people were pretty tired of the last time we were divided (175 years from 1627-1802) and foreign intervention anyways.
I LOVE BEST KOREAAAAA 🇰🇵
Basic dude
Today is gonna be a great day when PBM uploads another banger
Thanks
Keep it up bro.. Iam also planning to start channel like this.. 💓
Thanks, I look forward to seeing your channel.
Nice video ! I can't wait to see your next videos and I have another idea for you: What if Spain had become communist after the civil war
Thanks, cool idea, I'll get it made.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 make what if South Korea won the Korean War
Honestly, even though the North won the Korean War, Kim Il Sung was unable to seize power and rule the nation as a dynasty because there were three communist parties which opposed Kim as the South Korean Labor Party, Yan’an Faction, Kapsan faction, and Soviet faction. I’ll say that these faction form an alliance and kick Kim Il Sung out of power and rule the Korea as a Soviet style.
Depends, how much support did these parties have in South Korea in otl?
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Well, the Yan’an Faction, Soviet Faction, and Kapsan Faction had a minor support in Northern state. Unlike those 3 factions, the South Korean Labour Party had a many supporters.
But they brutally oppressed by US military junta and South Korean right wing activist.
@@이동연-c6d Interesting, in that case I see things going one of 3 ways: A: The North Korean communists brutally oppress opposition communist parties in the same way the South Korean government did in our world. B: the South Korean Communist parties work within Kim Il Sung's communist party, or C: they overthrow him and introduce their version of communism.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Yeah, but if they won the war, those three factions had an achievement to unified the nation and this will let those three factions oppose and impeach Kim Il Sung and Manchu Faction.
Either I don’t even exist in that scenario or I’m a poor farmer teenager 😢😢😢
Interesting scenario tho
Popular electric brand like Samsung will not appear in this world
Indeed
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352
1:28 What’s the name of this patriotic song if you don’t mind?
Interesting alternative story
Thanks, glad you found it interesting.
it’s also possible that they might follow a chinese reformist path especially without south korea to contend with - they nearly did it in our timeline
Korea would end up like Vietnam but worst in this timeline
We Would See KF-21, FA-50, K2 Black Panther And The Rest Of Guns And Other Things Made In South Korea Like Samsung, Ssangyong And The Rest With A Red Star
Ah, The K-Pop Artists And Bands Would Be Artists Of The DRPK Choir And Other Musical Institutes
Korea Would Be Like Modern China
interesting scenario
Thanks
Basically Korea and Vietnam swapped
try to make what happens if South Korea won the Korean war ?
Then we're doomed
No stupid k-pop
now read Dermot Hudson
So Faker would not be a worldwide league of legends champion.
2:18 thats not possible as communisim was really big for vietnamese people
Cool timeline I think the Soviets would win the Cold War because of this
Eventually one of the inter party factions would've deposed Kim Il Sung, the DPRK either collapses like the USSR or goes under dengist reforms and becomes a mixed economy country with the KWP still in charge
There is no reform and there is no way DPRK will collapse and Kim Il Sung will not be deposed but they would still be in charge when they find the proper way to develop the Korea economy and DPRK could have existed after the Soviet Union collapse
So If There Is No South Korea, Then There Is South Vietnam, & Vice Versa.
W video and well made and can you make my request next please
Thanks, I'll take a look at your request.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 np and ty
If there is no US,I'm sure South Korea would lose.South Korea was too poor at 1950s,they have no industries ,no enough weapons and the leak assistance of the US(Before the war).But the North had earned many weapons left by Japanese army.And the industries left by Japanese are all in the North
The GDP per capita of the North is about 7 times higher in 1949.Actually,the GDP per capita of the South exceeded the North in 1955s
What if allies invaded germany ww1
Please make what if South Vietnam won Vietnam War.
Sure!
As a South Korean male, I'd say I prefer the Kim dynasty to gay-pop
Well, at least I made one Korean person happy with this timeline.
1:28 What’s the name of this patriotic song?
I think it's an alternate recording of the North Korean anthem
The Worst Thing to be happen
我有一个想法，如果北朝鲜成功南下，成功统治整个朝鲜半岛，但是在2030年朝鲜共产党垮台，导致整个朝鲜半岛变成内战化，并且大韩民国济州流亡政府企图建立济州共和国进行独立，首尔和光州成功独立，建立大韩民国联合政府，从而进行北伐朝鲜共产党残部战争，并且成功，大韩民国联合政府随之进行南下武统济州的世界线。
这是时间线的有趣延续，感谢分享。