It has pleased me greatly to have received further communication from the person who sent in this clip, and he has agreed to me posting parts of his response. Remember we all make mistakes and some more serious than others, so when no one is killed or injured quite often little is learnt. This scenario is totally different. If you have seen any traits of yourself in this video perhaps you will be honest enough with yourself and commit to change. Thanks for reading, and I would like everyone to be mindful of my mantra "It's Nice to be Nice" in your further opinions. Respect all round, Ashley. The Drivers Response "I’ve now seen the your analysis on UA-cam. It has hit me hard and given me a wake up call. I had expected you to be critical of the driving and I agree with everything you mention. The standard of driving and choices were extremely poor and retrospectively a moment of madness which is not the norm. I thought the clip being so ‘full’ and unusual warranted sending to you and fully expected your roasting. What I could not anticipate however, is how strongly reading the viewer’s comments would resonate within me. I am deeply ashamed, embarrassed and saddened. Realising how cataclysmically unacceptable the clip is to the viewers and how strong the feelings are has left me shocked and mortified. I’m not someone who is in anyway comfortable with upsetting people and I had not ruminated on this before. Some comments mention accidents or deaths that they’ve experienced, so I hang my head in shame and if I had the guts, would apologise to each of them. This has and will certainly have a resounding effect on me going forward. In the past, such driving would have been rare but now absolutely never. Any illusion I had of being safe or good is now shattered. I’m appreciative of the wake up call, realising how selfish the use of the roads was, but overall simply ashamed. It’s given me a lot to think about but rethinking not just driving but life attitude is foremost."
Well, what can I say to a guy that has admitted that he was wrong, especially after I had slated him. It takes a man to admit that they are wrong and what this video has done "hopefully" is to show other what people think of driving like that. I admit that when I was young, I was always spinning and screeching wheels "showing off really" because I was seventeen years old and had a Zephyr Six convertible that I had rebuilt the engine to a higher level than standard. I cant say that I drove recklessly and I did not have any accidents but I was always trying to impress people. I drive at the proper speed limit now and I am very careful, I am much older and much wiser, I am also more critical and tend to forget that I was a bit of a boy racer. These video`s probably do quite a bit of good because people will see what their driving is like when other people are affected by it. Great response from this driver and honest to a fault.
Ashley - Perhaps you could do something on overtaking technique. I think I'm not alone in thinking "Roadcraft" is not right in some of its discussion on the subject and I'm thinking specifically about moving from the "following" position (2 second rule etc) to the unfortunately named "contact" position which implies that you run, however briefly, at something significantly less than 2 seconds from the "target" vehicle. From your comments on this video I suspect you are also not in agreement with "Roadcraft" on this point. I would love to hear your thoughts on this and indeed the whole overtaking process.
When making these videos, can you please not name the video “deluded view” or something referring to being “deluded” because it can sometimes be demoralising and a little offensive for some people plus you never know if the view in question has a mental disorder or not. Just because you don’t think that what the driver did was good or not while the driver thinks opposite does NOT mean they are “deluded”, everyone will think differently to it.
@@alberto783 I think you are confusing deluded (simply meaning believing something that is not real or true) with delusional which can relate to a mental disorder (e.g. delusional paranoia)
Exactly what I say. Applicable to BMW clip where he went past the tractor that turned right. If he’d been coming down the hill even if if the tractor hadn’t got him then it would have been a right old head on
Alternatively, drive every journey as though either the rozzers or an insurance company are going to be going over every moment leading up to an incident, and noting every little thing you're doing wrong. Sure dashcams are mostly bought by people for their own protection, but you drive stupidly with one and you'll be the one in the dock with your own evidence used against you.
The reason I like your videos is because as someone who passed his test in 1968 I fell into the trap of thinking what a great driver I am, by watching videos like this I can see what terrible and dangerous bad habits I have picked up over the years and that I am in fact pretty crap, so I'm amending my driving every time I go out after watching a vid. Thanks Ashley, I just wish more people would take the time to learn from your Videos.
Mee too, its hard to admit we make mistakes, mine is I'm too fast, I try slowing down but then get people pulling out on me or switching lanes infront of me so i revert to going fast again to keep away from these drivers who usually seem to never indicate too. I can't wait for self driving cars, I'm not a fan but it will stop all this bad driving mine included
@@onlineaccount It also gives you a chance to avoid mistakes other drivers make. I try not to be the one relying on the other drivers to avoid accidents.
If you’re driving to feel in control and to glory in the power of the engine revving as you rush past another vehicle, stay on the race track. If you’d rather get from A to B efficiently, minimising risk to people’s lives, and behaving courteously to other road users, then I for one am happy to have you on the roads.
Yeah he’s just smashing the speed limit and claiming he’s got some magical “acumen”. Wow, you know how to break the speed limit! People Ike this are mugs. It’s like claiming you’re good at football because you know how to handball it.
@@David-sw2fn At any speed over walking you are not in control, Newton has taken over control, all you can do is try and influence things but the faster you go the less influence you have.
Yeah, I think Ashley gives him too much credit for his road positioning, he wasn't out in the centre for a better view of the road ahead... he was out in the centre due to impatience and the must-get-ahead mentality. Not so much anticipation of an overtake but the refusal to be stuck behind someone. Extremely childish and I don't understand how he survives in built up places.
I recall seeing a poster, when I was stationed at RAF Brize Norton, warning against car hopping. The point was that high risk, high anxiety manoeuvres gain you nothing if all you do is move several cars further ahead but you're still behind cars. Why not chill out and wait until the cars in front either turn off or you reach a length of dual carriageway. Patience is a virtue.
I always prefer idiots like him in front of me, way in front of me, so much so that I always help them to overtake me by slowing up a bit and pulling into the nearside a bit. I don't want to get involved in their accidents.
@@garymills6702 absolutely. If someone with that sort of positioning is behind me, and not leaving good distance, I would also slow down and let them go.
This very reason is what stopped me from driving like a dick. I could dangerously overtake one HGV on the A17 just to be stuck behind ten more. It was a losing battle. Then as soon as I got onto the A1 I’d be stuck in a traffic jam near Doncaster anyway . So driving like a dick got me nowhere. It made very little difference to my journey time.
@@notmenotme614 I took note of aggressive pickup truck drivers (in the US) during my drive. It always seemed as though I still had them in full view when we were 15-20 miles down the highway. Lane usage is so dysfunctional, that bouncing from lane-to-lane doesn't avail you of anything.
Me neither! You've reminded me of the T shirt that they have on Top Gear that reads "I am a driving God". Just imagine getting out of the car to a large group of onlookers at an outdoor pavement restaurant...having first made a complete hash of parallel parking!
@Ben c well said, his average speed over those 280m was in excess of 78 mph. If his entry speed was 60mph his terminal speed would be easily into the 90's, is it little wonder the bikers were caught out, not that they should have been overtaking on a bend.
An interesting thing is that there are closed private courses for people in car/bike clubs to "play" in and reduce their risks, as well as those to others. When you look at the overall cost of their hobbies, I think we know why this is done on public roads. Not impressed.
@@poiu477 it is possible to have a good time without risking the lives of others. If you really want to drive at such speeds then book an appointment at a race course or track. Keep your high speeds off the road.
1:45 - I've not even seen his driving yet and already the email he sent is making excuses and justifying his driving. From that you just know it's going to be bad!
I've just reached the same point as you Gary and feel exactly the same, whatever I am about to watch it's not justified on a public road, go to a track to have fun where the lives of innocents aren't potentially in danger.
When I learnt to drive many moons ago my instructor taught me there was three things wrong with “common sense” 1. It’s not common 2. People don’t have sense 3. People How people over exaggerate ability at times never fails to amuse me.
I shamelessly am going to steal that, and leave as a receipt, a statement in similar vein by a traffic policeman directing traffic during a power cut, as i wheeled my bike past him: "Good idea son... if you assume all other road users are idiots, you will be wrong, but only because most of them are worse"
Good attitude. Gesture gently for them to pull back and thank them if they do - works most times in my experience. If they don’t, try and pull over safely as soon as you can to get out of the danger zone. No use brake testing or antagonising them, you’ll just make them drive in an even more dangerous manner.
@@gdwnet it will not, it could. I done this several times to try and make the lorry behind me leave some distance, no hard braking mind you, just mellow slow down with brake lights on and accelerate away. It did seem to work once, one got a flashing and a horn, all the other times gave no reaction from the other driver, not even hand gestures...
Highway Code Annex 9: 'If you think you have the necessary acumen to drive dangerously because you got the International A-License on Gran Turismo when you were 11 and like it when car goes brrum brrum, you can opt out of all other code rules and guidance"
I'm not quite sure what the cammer was trying to achieve by sending this clip in. If the purpose was to show people how to drive like an idiot, then he's certainly achieved that. If he was trying to impress people, then he's failed miserably.
They sent ot in because they are a motorist. And we all know that motorists think they become god when they've got their license and earned the privilege to drive.
@@jamp12008 what? So people that drive all think they've become God once they've passed their test and people that don't drive are fine? Not everyone sends their stuff in.
@@dannycochrane4330 I know not all are mate. But indo a lot of walking near roads and i see an excuse every day to stay away from the roads. Maybe i sound a bit extreme i my other comment but being on a road terrifies me these days. Keep safe out there 👍🤝
@@jamp12008 100% agree with you Jamie. As I have grown older I have become more and more aware of how dangerous the roads can be and it's frightening to think that motorists (myself included, though as rarely as possible) are so close to killing others. When I see a motorist driving irresponsibly or in a manner that could endanger others it really makes me very defensive.
Driving on a track or skid pan training helps. But it does not excuse driving like this. He went into a blind right-hander at 80mph plus. All the worse - it was such a busy day that he chose to do his "rare spirited driving".
@@Chrisallengallery defo not as serious as overconfidence but any extreme is awful. I like to stay in the middle of the road if I can although not literally
We all know “people” (I’ll be polite) who drive like this simply don’t think about other peoples safety despite the fact they are the main type of person to kill innocent people.
He said it in the email, he’s “experienced at track driving”... so get your speed fix on a track where it’s as safe as possible in a controlled environment, not out on a public road where there are so many hazards... Other drivers, motorbikes, cyclists, pedestrians, wildlife etc. What if he went round one of those bends and there were some sheep out or a tractor trimming the hedge rows? A stupid driver with a stupid attitude, needs a reality check
A work pal of mine hit a badger on the M6, at 70 MPH it was not good news. Car written off, car ended up off the motorway and several months before he was back at work.. Oh and yes badger deceased, I would expect more wild life on a country road and have had deer and horses run out infront of me. I missed them just, but the animal that caused the most damage to my car was at night and that was a pheasant. Straight throgh the grill and stuck in the radiator.
One of my old mans workmates died in that area on a motorcycle it was a heading collision. As soon as you said where it was that memory came back to me immediately.
That road isn't far from me either and is notorious for motorcycle deaths over the years. There are signs everywhere along it stating beware of bikers. This idiot driver nearly added to those statistics.
When you get behind people and move to the right to show you intend to overtake - it does put pressure on them. It makes them look more in their mirror and not ahead. It can also makes them feel pressured to close their own stopping distance they left in front of them.
Also if they pull out with no opportunity to overtake and I'm coming the other way then that's another hazard for me to pay attention to, for no reason.
Close up the stopping distance? When I see somebody behind me who is obviously intent on overtaking, I start dropping back off the car in front, to make sure there’s plenty of space for the overtaker to pull into safely.
A good point excellently made. I guess we've all had an impatient b*ast*rd up our tailgates several times. Personally when this happens I always slow down. The sooner he gets passed me, the sooner he's out of my life. I don't want to be in close proximity to someone who may well be a disaster magnet.
absolutely..that’s what I thought..the guy had a better car and wanted the kit car to know it..he was peacocking as we as blokes like to do.most of us grow out of it by the time we’re about 25 though right.
I think some drivers have the mentality that they MUST be in front, even if they overtake someone and slow down the person that they just overtook. Driving isn't fun, too many arsehats on the road.
He’s also got a phone in the middle of his windscreen to create a massive blind spot. Bad enough to begin with, but add the speed and it’s truly crazy.
That was my thought. I have always wondered how people get away with having sat nav's, phones and dash cam's mounted on their windscreen obstructing large areas of vision when a car will fail its MOT for having a chip the size of a 5p in the sweep of the wipers? Surely it must be illegal?
@@donaldasayers You have a Sat Nav mounted to the windscreen during your driving test now. It's definitely not illegal, and as long as it's placed right, shouldn't obstruct your view enough to be an issue.
“and that’s how someone is going to die”. Simple, stark, effective narration for those who listen. I remember phoning parents hoping to get to ED in time - they didn’t.
I highly doubt this is someone who goes on track days, if they were then there'd be no need to thrash the car out in public since all that aggression would be vented on track. This is just poor show all round.
I actually believe he has done racing and advanced driving courses. He's one of those people that's let that go to his head, so now he drives with utter complacency thinking he can do what he wants, as if these courses give him telepathic powers to know what's coming and what's going to happen. Or B- he's just a knob trying to get his excuses in before he gets ripped to shreds.
Thing is though: in races, all participants are driving in the same direction... oops. It is like "I'm a qualified lumberjack, I know my way around axes and chainsaws, so you can trust me to carry out your brain surgery".
From the engine note, it is clear he was accelerating hard over that 280m. So at the moment when he hit the right-hander (while on the wrong side of the road) - he was doing more than the 78mph total average speed over that distance.
I guess that if he started at around 50ish before putting the power down then by time he reached the end of the straight it would be 100+ mph, this could average around 80mph so that makes sense
I thought I was a good driver but it wasn't until I started advanced lessons did I realise I had soooo much to learn (and still do). I now like to try and learn something from every drive I do and most importantly be safe, to never ever compromise safety
@@nearlyretired7005 all depends on the person you speak to. some drivers think because they do 50mph in a national speed limit they a good driver but they do 35 to 40mph in a 30zone which is not a good driver at all. some drivers fail to make progress and go slow for the road they are on which makes them think they are a safe driver but by backing up traffic they are causing a danger else where for someone else. Advanced lessons and training is very useful to be a better driver but some drivers that learn them become more dangerous as over confident. most important thing is if your going to drive risky, make sure its safe for other road users and safe for people in the vehicle with you.
In school they teach you in GCSE Physics class how to calculate speed using time and distance I bet they never thought that its most powerful use would be in assessing dashcam footage!
@@sahhull I don't think so! We all do daft things from time to time. Especially when we're young! Yes he was foolish but I'm certain he'll learn from his mistakes as he's admitted his actions were not good.
What the idiots don't realise is that if you double your speed then you have four times the energy that will be dumped into the crash! Bit more physics that some idiots didn't listen to in school!
that was very big of the driver to respond this way instead of hurling abuse. great analysis of the video that many of us could learn from. thank you driver and thank you ashley
Yes. Anyone who says "Oh this isnt my normal style of driving" or "Im a professional driver for a private "improving agency" or something" is clearly living on another planet.
Not matter how good you are as a driver you are still putting yourself and others at risk. Hopefully the cammer will learn from this as its not always about showboating when it comes to driving.
These are the same drivers who, having got themselves into a dodgy situation, ‘go off on one’ at you, because you reacted (flashed your lights or blew your horn) or simply didn’t dive off into the bushes to get out of their way!
I "love" how this person reminds everyone of heir own excellent abilities, but forget that there are actual living beings in the other cars, that won't always react predictably to aggressive driving
Would love to criticise the cammers driving, but I would have to consider myself a hippocrite if I did! Can't say my driving has always been good in the past.
The frequent and inappropriate centreline driving illustrates a problem I have with a lot of people who like to bang on about their level of driving *ahem* acumen... He's not doing it because he's analysed the situation and made a conscious decision to pull that tool out of his bag to maximise safety. He's doing it because it was mentioned as a technique somewhere, probably once, and he's decided that by doing it at every opportunity he can wear his Road Captain stripes with pride. I won't bore you with the details but I've seen plenty of arbitrary rules invented in the heads of IAM members, when you know that what they've done is witnessed someone demonstrating "you CAN do this if it is safe and helps" but heard it as "DO THIS ALL THE TIME!"
@@johno4521 Me too... In my case it was partly because of the "replace one set of arbitrary rules with another set of arbitrary rules that make me special" types, but there was a worrying number of members who couldn't accept the need to mitigate the potential to make a mistake themselves. They genuinely thought that their driving and observational abilities were infallible. Mental.
Deluded again? Yes, is the short answer. Frankly the message attached to the video told me all I needed to know about them before I saw the driving. They were indeed racing to catch the kit car as you said, then passing it in the imaginary race the driver was having. Expereinced track driver as they claimed, okay, though this isn't a track. Cars all go in one direction on tracks for a reason.
Spot on with the analysis, Ashley. I knew a bloke who was a pretty good MotoGP rider and when challenged about his style of driving on the road replied, "I'm safer at 90 than most drivers at 30 (mph)." You wouldn't have thought that if you were in the passenger seat, I can tell you. You can have all the training and 'acumen' in the world but rule one is Leave the ego at home. As soon as I read the missive, I knew this bloke hadn't done that. Also, my one and only speeding ticket was for 69 in a 60 (NSL) while overtaking. There is no defence - though perhaps because I've driven in countries where you can break the limit briefly to pass another vehicle, I was under the misapprehension that I could do it in Britain. You can't. Also, long lines mean there's a hazard ahead - I always wait for the shorter lines, though I know many don't.
Maybe it's my age, but it frightens me when someone speeds down the road towards me passing within just a few feet, sometimes inches. It's get's so close sometimes that my car is buffeted by the compression of air as we pass and I know that if we were to have a head-on crash that no one would survive. I wish people would consider how it makes other drivers feel when speeding down narrow roads. It puts the bejesus up us and despite what people see on programmes like TopGear and various YT channels, there is no room for spirited driving on any public road. That's what race tracks are for.
When cycling it is even worse. I notice it's the same anti-social speeding drivers. They will shim past me accelerating hard, then brake hard and get right up close to the car in front. They are just anti-social to all road users. I wish the police would take cam evidence more readily - that way we could all police the roads.
Its not your age, thats jsut a retarded way to overtake, no margin for error, imagine someone overtaking like you from the other side, you get an unaviodable high speed head on crash, like in the video I linked (lethal accident of course)
@@andrewnorris5415 I notice this all the time on my bike too. I think the "must get in front of bike" mentality contributes. I like to try to imagine how stupid it would seem if the motorist did the same thing walking past a slower person on the pavement... Lunging past them and slowing right down up the backside of another pedestrian!
You sound like my grandad blaming Top Gear for people speeding hahaha he used to say that in the early 2000s but it’s like saying that playing GTA makes you a violent criminal, sorry but that’s a bit silly
I fitted a camera to my pushbike about 10 years ago because of "interactions" with motor vehicles on my commute and it ended up teaching me about myself. I still feel I was competent with my sprinting and overtaking on shared paths at a time when I was quite physically fit, and would hope that if things went pear-shaped, I would have been able to avoid harming other path users, but I realised that it wasn't fair to be heading towards people at speed in that environment even if I ruled out a worst case scenario. It caused me to remember my upbringing as primarily a pedestrian. In later years, cycling took off in a big way locally and nearly all my issues were with the behaviour of other cyclists around me and other human beings.
Hmmm that’s fast, I don’t like overtaking things unless there doing well under the speed limit, it scares me to much but thats really the best way to be, surely driving at those speeds he’d soon catch up to the car in front. Nevertheless My driving used to be awful and even now I still question some of the decisions I make even if it Is a lot less regularly so therefore I believe it’s never to late or to early to change your driving standards 😁👍
Hi Ashley, I've just passed my driving test and stumbled across your channel a few days ago. I have binged watched a lot of your videos over the past couple of days and most helpful tip I've found so far is to make sure you have space around you at all times. I always rushed to get going once the traffic lights changed to green without assessing what others were doing just cause I had it ingrained in me that if I didn't go the second lights turned green I would get beeped at, glad I found your channel and will hopefully get into good habits while I'm still new to driving. I also bought a dash cam to assess my own driving, however when I play the footage back the rear and front are separate clips, do you use video editing software to view front and back footage together or any specific viewers or is it just the way your dash cam plays it back? Thanks
@AquaB8 - well done you! On the RoSPA Advanced Drivers Course I did years ago - the phrase running through the whole course was "Time To React"... you need to give yourself as much time as possible to react to the things that *could* happen. Anything else is putting a life at risk of someone else's bad decision.
At least on the IAM motorcycle and on bikesafe, the accepted convention is to "make progress" during NSL sections. Considering bikesafe you are typically accompanied by a police biker. I know many a blind eye has been turned to some speed in NSL sections. That said if you rode like this twat drove (up the arse of cars and careless overtakes) you'd have been flashed and brought over in a split second to have a "discussion". IAM and RoSPA taught me to "use the road" so I will cut corners straight to maximise vision, but only when necessary (e.g. it's a twisty bit of road and having visibility of the road surface ahead is far more important than maintaining my position in the carriageway as it's clear of traffic) But hanging out across the lines for no good reason and pressuring drivers, no just no. You make progress by being smooth and by applying some thought and observation. Not by snapping/stamping on the throttle.
Well - the pigs, as in one of his other videos, are allowed to do 150mph in order to catch a speeding driver. They are "specially trained" - I would like to see that training, other than playing GTAV for 2 hours and getting a certificate.
@@jazzx251 Police driver training is vigorous but, given that you refer to them as 'pigs', your preconceptions are probably set in stone so no point in debating with you
As someone who is by profession required to take extreme risks in traffic, I'd like to mention that if you take a risk knowingly, you also take the consequences. Today we practiced ignoring red lights. If you take a risk you need to be sure. Not 99% sure, but 100% sure. And if you messed up the consequences will be 100% mine despite my legal status being exempt from most of the highway code. If you want to do these things, get a job with a car with pretty blue lights...
@@GilesWendes EMTs & firemen both get very dirty on the job. Sick patients, rubble & debris. Police officers roll in the mud tackling suspects. I prefer a nice warm bath & a cup of tea with my furlough payments 🤣
Intimidating driver. By sending in his handiwork he has taught himself a valuable lesson. He’s not alone either, bad habits creep into us all, and at least he was man enough to admit his errors
A friend of mine and her boyfriend were killed near this stretch of road (I'm from Pompey) by a driver like this. He survived. I'd send this footage to the police and let them deal with it. More than enough to go to court with.
This is why I like your videos Ashley. Your analysis of these viewers videos are spot on. Really thorough and expertly done. They should use these videos in drivers ed courses like the police offer when you get caught speeding or due care.... 👍👍🤝
I had written some comments, but after reading the cammer's response I think we can all learn. We say safe on the roads. Aggressive driving in everyday situations is poor judgment a best. Cammer, good on ya for admitting your mistake. That takes a real man. We all should learn how to drive safe!
Once I met a guy who was a talented amateur race driver. On the public roads he was relaxed. He liked to use upper gears and feel the torque of a smooth cruise without much shifting.
@@ryanwatterson4038 using the bandwidth of torque without the need of shifting as a principle by numbers, which means the engine needs to be capable. And you don't need high torque in all situations when you cruise in a relaxed way. And when you do so with precaution you see where you will need torque in the foreseeable future and be prepared to shift down if necessary. Rolling, not hopping.
It always interests me that track day experienced riders/drivers think those skills are directly transferable to the roads, when in fact the two sets of skills required are completely different. Try using Ashley’s techniques on the track and you will be last to the finish, try using track techniques on the road and you will probably not be around long enough to learn the road craft needed to stay safe.
My brother did some crazy overtakes at stupid speeds when i was in his car once. His wife and small baby were in the back seat, too. I was terrified, although i know he's a good driver and knows how to handle a car. But what he doesn't seem to understand is that he can't correct other drivers' mistakes.
I'm used to this bit of road - it's one of those roads with sections that you can enjoy doing the speed limit along if there is no other traffic around. In the past, I have detoured to go to Chichester in order to have the more enjoyable route. You do sometimes get Mr Forty on that road as well - we know them, we love them... Posted limit is 40, they do 40. Posted limit is National, they do 40. Posted limit is 30, they do 40. There does seem to be a trend on roads that attract Mr Forty for people to do some spicier overtakes. One of the other roads to Chichester had 3 (now realistically 2) places along a several mile stretch that you an overtake Mr Forty. This will influence the decision for people who know the road to overtake in those places as there is a "now or never" factor in play. Of course it is usually the way that going through the windy double white line sections, there are no oncoming vehicles and as soon as you get to the arrow straight long section a platoon of oncoming cars appears, and then it is completely clear again in the next bendy section. Of course this is not trying to justify poor decisions, but to understand some of the process behind them.
Very aggressive driving that second overtake with a blind corner approaching, shocking driving. If he is advance, then me as only 2 years passed makes me an expert.
I hate (not really, I love it and it’s improving my attitude driving) how spot on you are with your chillness and attitude when driving. I hope to have your chillness one day.
I think I used some choice words when he did that second overtake especially. I can kind of see the moving out for a better view right before an overtake, but doing it when there is no chance of an overtake just puts pressure on other drivers. Ash often makes the point in relation to Learner Cars that you should overtake in the manor you would a police car, which if he was moving out for no apparent reason, would certainly land him in trouble. We were following an unmarked police car back along, at a glance you couldnt tell. You would have to look very close to see it, and they lit up someone who shot past them. Its not worth it. This sort of driving is what makes the roads unsafe, and I think this cammer should really reconsider the manor they drive in, and how this can affect others. Take what the further training actually taught you on-board, rather than doing it for the sake of saying you've done it, and then driving like this. You're just asking to be ripped to shreads in the comments, and even lose your liscense by driving like that. Even mentioning that they drive on a track also makes them look worse, as they clearly understand where its safe to have more fun driving, and where you should be having fun within the limits of the road. Hopefully, this makes them change their ways and opens their eyes. This clip woudln't have been so action packed if the cammer didn't drive like they own the roads. If the cammer is reading this, think, if you were to injure or kill someone and this as the manor you drove in, what would happen? Still think it's worth the risk? Sorry for the essay. Thanks for sharing, as always ash :)
You nailed it with your further training comment! If someone's had advanced driver training, you should be able to tell by their driving, not by them bragging about getting the training.
@@MrSonicAdvance thanks mate. Yeah, it seems like that. A lot of people just do it so they can say they have, rather than to make their driving better. Trouble is they get the insurance benefits for having the training, but then still drive dangerously 🤷♂️
@@NubletPie278 there are a few recognised ones (IAM for example), but granted most further training isnt part of an additional qualification, fair enough, most likely no insurance benefits. However, my point still stands that having driver training itself isn't the thing, it's applying the new knowledge to driving.
@@seberous Even IAM doesn't, try it on a comparison site, your quote will not change. I think the algorithms have calculated a long time ago that the crash rate doesn't change after these courses. As you say, it's the applying the new knowledge to driving, and I think the people who do apply said knowledge are outweighed by the ones who think they're a driving god or just do it because they *think* it will reduce insurance.
Thanks for sharing this video. I think it will help me manage my own pride/humility as a driver and will do so for others too. I also think it reinforces how useful and relevant your video on how to drive a performance car (your M3) was - how to have fun but essentially not be a d*ck in the process.
He's a stones throw from Goodwood. Take it there if you want to drive like this. I can echo every sentiment from his email, I've done skid and high performance driving courses at Goodwood, Brands Hatch, Donington and Bedford, but I would never drive like that on a public highway unless it was a dire emergency.
I actually guessed where it might be from the initial description including mention of bikes: this road and the area slightly west (A32/A272) are bandit country for enthusiastic (over enthusiastic) bikes and cars pressing on. But the traffic levels and mostly twisty bits (the road just before the section shown) make it a high risk game of chicken which isn't worth it. Used to live in Fareham, & go to Chichester regularly so know the road well, but wouldn't ever contemplate the overtakes or speed he was doing.
@@tonypowell2165 Oh yes the A32 from Wickham and the A272 from Petersfield to Winchester are indeed bandit country. It is possible to make quick progress, but the conditions are rarely right for it to be safe.
With that standard of driving, he'd probably find himself black flagged due to complaints from other track users. Just wreckless, no thought given to his driving manner and no consideration for anyone else. Just me, me, me.
@@Make_Boxing_Great_Again I guess it depends on your definition. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, 'spirited' means full of energy, enthusiasm and determination. For me that isn't just about speed, but also takes conditions into account. However, I would suggest that 'spirited' driving/riding is not beyond a reasonable tolerance of the speed limit, which I guess technically means it could be illegal at times, but far from always.
@@stuartking Seldom does a spirited drive comply with the law and you’re just in denial if you think otherwise. All these road safety bore fest videos are from people who think they are amazing drivers yet if they ever genuinely did a spirited drive they would be breaking the law. The whole thing just makes them and the stupid sports car a pointless contradiction.
ppl should review their own driving and stop thinking they are a finished product because there is always things to learn. Thanks Ashley for this channel coz everyone should remain a work in progress.
I think Ashley got it right that what he wanted was to overtake the kit car which looked to be travelling at about the national limit, as it should be, he wanted to 'show him" that he had bigger b+lls and let him know he was the man. It is a serious character defect to drive like that but the whole clip demonstrated that attitude of mind with just the one aim. wee don't know what preceded this clip that brought on this driving, certainly wasn't just a drive out for the fun of it.
Well, I have done road craft (advanced Police driver training) , NHS ambulance service RRV ( emergency response car driver training) . Sign of a good confident, competent driver is manners and a lack of aggression.
What was this guy trying to prove by stating that he seeks driving education and that he wouldn't normally drive like that? Doesn't matter what he does usually.....that section of driving in the clip was just awful. Too aggressive, too fast, high hedges blocking views........if he somehow thinks he was the bees knees and deserves a medal for his 'skillful' overtakes, he certainly is deluded. Either that or he's just trolling, goading people into sending comments.......in which case why does he need to do that? Perhaps we should be writing these comments in crayon so there's half a chance he can read them?
I read enough in his email that Ashley read out: "I am an experienced road and track driver". Two VERY different skillsets, and a good track driver does not a safe road driver make. The rest of the video just confirmed my initial thinking.
"When I was younger, I'd be unlucky if I saw a couple of bad vehicle driven incidents a year on the roads". That's what I tell my children. Today I'm lucky if I can take one small trip to the shops without a crazy person doing something nuts within my view, be it Pedestrian, cyclist, car/van drivers and god forbid Taxi and LGV professional drivers too. Everyday, every trip, why? People take no pride in their roadcraft anymore, I have always tried to treat others the way I would like to be treated but It seems to be wasted on those who can't even own up to being in the wrong. We live in a world of blame but not acceptance, roll on self driven vehicles the only way to stay safe in the future. Thanks Ashley, love watching and getting wound up at other peoples expence. Yours faithfully, A road loving driver.
Looked like he had a point to prove with the kit car. As with a lot of these type of videos what cam before would be interesting to see. To avg 78 while accelerating for that overtake he must be up near 90 when the bike appear! Awful overtaking by the bikes into what is for them a long left bend.
The kit car, looked like an aerial atom to me, which i think this driver saw as an opportunity to show he is a 'faster' driver than the atom owner......like throwing down the gauntlet to this idiot.....you can almost hear him thinking .'how dare you have a high performance car with me being the faster driver', total idiot.
Very good analysis. Having worked in the Criminal Justice System for almost 30 years have seen police Collision Investigators use these techniques. Personally i would have been embarrassed to have submitted this footage of my driving.
Sad thing is that a lot people who are killed or badly injured by reckless driving aren't the reckless drivers but usually an innocent passenger or bystander or another innocent driver, although just like to say any loss of life through stupidity is sad
When he said "I am an experienced road and track driver". I instally thought this comes into the Dunning Kruger effect where people who are below average at something, rate themselves as above average at something. We can clearly see from the footage his driving standards are below average, but he honestly believes he is a good driver, hopefully this video will give him a chance to re-evaulate his driving.
I don't think it's Dunning Kruger. His driving ability is probably better than most, but his driving standard is worse. Someone who can drive acceptably on a track but lacks maturity can easily fall into this trap. They know how to drive their car and it gives them more confidence to drive fast and a higher risk tolerance, potentially leading to dangerous situations. It's kind of like a marksman who can shoot a target from 1000 yards but walks around with his finger on the trigger and safety off. He's a skilled shooter and has a right to he confident, but doesn't keep to a good standard.
@@cynicalpenguin Excellent analysis, smartest comment in this forum of idiots. This channel is rarely about bad driving it’s always about slagging people off with a different risk tolerance, having a different risk tolerance isn’t necessarily a bad thing it’s just different.
@@Gerishnakov This is the case for everyone and every entity that makes a safety decision though, governments enforce their own safety ideals on you and me right now. Not all flaunting of a safety rule impacts someone other than the person breaking the rule. Take for example a motorcyclist who decided against wearing a helmet, such an act would be illigal yet he only risks his own helath.
@@JGreen444 it's some sort of kit car , Most have small supermini engines and very light weight , They can accelerate if they want to but most are happy enjoying the experience at normal speeds. As this guy should have been.
if the car was more powerful he'd be well over 100mph, and that's not okay either. far to busy for those speeds. and those bikers might not have been able to get out the way in time at those speeds.
All cars can go fast but the time he took to do the overtake was to slow for the space available. Also you need to be in a gear which gives you the acceleration you need to pass. Also with him being so close to the cars in front he was unable to observe all the hidden dangers in front and behind. Overtaking isn't something you should take likely and done dangerously can cause a major collision!!
yeah he’s driving with his fingers crossed..just read his message and the guy sounds like he’s fully aware of the reality of his driving so all good..fella sounds genuine,we all have moments
I can honestly say that even though I've made some questionable decisions while driving in my youth, that are probably equal to those in the video, I've never done so many right after each other in such a short period. I also wouldn't feel the need to publicly highlight my errors.
I am an engineer and worked in automotive crash safety for a period of time. It gave me an appreciation of speed, as that is the biggest factor to how much energy is in a collision. This energy needs to be dissipated by the vehicle in order to protect any occupants. The energy that needs to be dissipated is kinetic energy, for which the formula is half x mass x speed squared. The speed squared is key, as this means that it has a huge factor on the amount of kinetic energy your car has. For example a 1 ton car driving at 30 mph has 90 kj of energy. Same car driving at 42.5 mph has 180 kj, so only 42% extra speed is twice the energy. A head on collision with both cars doing the 60 mph speed limit is likely to result in serious injury and death, driving much faster than that is going to decrease any chances of survival, no matter how many track days you've done.
@@piciu256 More power also means you can complete an overtake more quickly, so can actually be safer. Accelerating out of trouble is something I've had to do on a motorbike. Might be worth a video, Ash?
@@GilesWendes yes, but only if you have not enough power, this definitely isn't the case. He just starts to accelerate pretty late, that's why the maneuver takes so long- another issue with following too close.
If the driver of the Ariel Atom thinks he hasn't got enough acceleration for the overtake then pretty much nothing has. What is missing here is not acceleration but the ability to see round corners.
Nice that the driver developed some self awareness. Credit to him. I've been has guilty and has deluded. I was a very highly trained advanced driver. Still, even so, our team had crashes at times. Speed is always dangerous, especially when you think your a highly skilled driver!!!
I don't think his driving or overtakes were that bad but it certainly didn't look like the driving of someone with a lot of experience and who has 'received training and additional education' or whatever it was he said.
The training and additional education was probably a speed awareness course! As someone who has received blue light training and as an ex ADI, I found the driving nothing less than appalling.
Really bad, most importantly travelling way too close, with no possibility to accelerate beforehand (nevermind ability to slow down in time) so the overtake took much longer than it had to with the power at hand.
It has pleased me greatly to have received further communication from the person who sent in this clip, and he has agreed to me posting parts of his response. Remember we all make mistakes and some more serious than others, so when no one is killed or injured quite often little is learnt. This scenario is totally different. If you have seen any traits of yourself in this video perhaps you will be honest enough with yourself and commit to change. Thanks for reading, and I would like everyone to be mindful of my mantra "It's Nice to be Nice" in your further opinions. Respect all round, Ashley.
The Drivers Response
"I’ve now seen the your analysis on UA-cam. It has hit me hard and given me a wake up call.
I had expected you to be critical of the driving and I agree with everything you mention. The standard of driving and choices were extremely poor and retrospectively a moment of madness which is not the norm. I thought the clip being so ‘full’ and unusual warranted sending to you and fully expected your roasting.
What I could not anticipate however, is how strongly reading the viewer’s comments would resonate within me. I am deeply ashamed, embarrassed and saddened. Realising how cataclysmically unacceptable the clip is to the viewers and how strong the feelings are has left me shocked and mortified. I’m not someone who is in anyway comfortable with upsetting people and I had not ruminated on this before. Some comments mention accidents or deaths that they’ve experienced, so I hang my head in shame and if I had the guts, would apologise to each of them.
This has and will certainly have a resounding effect on me going forward. In the past, such driving would have been rare but now absolutely never. Any illusion I had of being safe or good is now shattered. I’m appreciative of the wake up call, realising how selfish the use of the roads was, but overall simply ashamed. It’s given me a lot to think about but rethinking not just driving but life attitude is foremost."
Well, what can I say to a guy that has admitted that he was wrong, especially after I had slated him. It takes a man to admit that they are wrong and what this video has done "hopefully" is to show other what people think of driving like that. I admit that when I was young, I was always spinning and screeching wheels "showing off really" because I was seventeen years old and had a Zephyr Six convertible that I had rebuilt the engine to a higher level than standard. I cant say that I drove recklessly and I did not have any accidents but I was always trying to impress people. I drive at the proper speed limit now and I am very careful, I am much older and much wiser, I am also more critical and tend to forget that I was a bit of a boy racer. These video`s probably do quite a bit of good because people will see what their driving is like when other people are affected by it. Great response from this driver and honest to a fault.
Wow good on him for being honest. Don’t see that a lot too!
Ashley - Perhaps you could do something on overtaking technique. I think I'm not alone in thinking "Roadcraft" is not right in some of its discussion on the subject and I'm thinking specifically about moving from the "following" position (2 second rule etc) to the unfortunately named "contact" position which implies that you run, however briefly, at something significantly less than 2 seconds from the "target" vehicle. From your comments on this video I suspect you are also not in agreement with "Roadcraft" on this point. I would love to hear your thoughts on this and indeed the whole overtaking process.
When making these videos, can you please not name the video “deluded view” or something referring to being “deluded” because it can sometimes be demoralising and a little offensive for some people plus you never know if the view in question has a mental disorder or not. Just because you don’t think that what the driver did was good or not while the driver thinks opposite does NOT mean they are “deluded”, everyone will think differently to it.
@@alberto783 I think you are confusing deluded (simply meaning believing something that is not real or true) with delusional which can relate to a mental disorder (e.g. delusional paranoia)
People who drive like this are fine-until they meet themselves coming in the other direction.
My favourite comment up to now John! Nice one, I'm stealing that!
Exactly, those are the most dangerous roads in britain for a reason, people like this guy thinking A/B roads are a race track.
Exactly what I say. Applicable to BMW clip where he went past the tractor that turned right. If he’d been coming down the hill even if if the tractor hadn’t got him then it would have been a right old head on
This is the most accurate comment here 👍
Was just coming on to say the same, my dad told me this when I passed my test back in 93 and it's always stuck.
Drive every journey as though Ashley is going to see the footage.
Alternatively, drive every journey as though either the rozzers or an insurance company are going to be going over every moment leading up to an incident, and noting every little thing you're doing wrong. Sure dashcams are mostly bought by people for their own protection, but you drive stupidly with one and you'll be the one in the dock with your own evidence used against you.
@@Harrod200 the police would just give you a ticket, Ashley would be disappointed in you. I know which is worse.
Or is in the passenger seat?
hahaha!
@ShyTed good advice😂😂
The reason I like your videos is because as someone who passed his test in 1968 I fell into the trap of thinking what a great driver I am, by watching videos like this I can see what terrible and dangerous bad habits I have picked up over the years and that I am in fact pretty crap, so I'm amending my driving every time I go out after watching a vid. Thanks Ashley, I just wish more people would take the time to learn from your Videos.
I always try to improve too. People who think they're perfect drivers don't leave themselves room for improvement.
well said Ivor.
Mee too, its hard to admit we make mistakes, mine is I'm too fast, I try slowing down but then get people pulling out on me or switching lanes infront of me so i revert to going fast again to keep away from these drivers who usually seem to never indicate too. I can't wait for self driving cars, I'm not a fan but it will stop all this bad driving mine included
@@garymills6702 I try to drive well below what I believe the maximum speed, etc., may be. Faeces occur. And with distressing regularity.
@@onlineaccount It also gives you a chance to avoid mistakes other drivers make. I try not to be the one relying on the other drivers to avoid accidents.
His driving was aggressive from the off, these type of drivers are the ones who always CREATE problems on the roads, rather than AVOID them.
If you’re driving to feel in control and to glory in the power of the engine revving as you rush past another vehicle, stay on the race track. If you’d rather get from A to B efficiently, minimising risk to people’s lives, and behaving courteously to other road users, then I for one am happy to have you on the roads.
Yeah he’s just smashing the speed limit and claiming he’s got some magical “acumen”. Wow, you know how to break the speed limit! People
Ike this are mugs. It’s like claiming you’re good at football because you know how to handball it.
@@David-sw2fn At any speed over walking you are not in control, Newton has taken over control, all you can do is try and influence things but the faster you go the less influence you have.
Yeah, I think Ashley gives him too much credit for his road positioning, he wasn't out in the centre for a better view of the road ahead... he was out in the centre due to impatience and the must-get-ahead mentality. Not so much anticipation of an overtake but the refusal to be stuck behind someone. Extremely childish and I don't understand how he survives in built up places.
@@David-sw2fn YES THIS
I recall seeing a poster, when I was stationed at RAF Brize Norton, warning against car hopping. The point was that high risk, high anxiety manoeuvres gain you nothing if all you do is move several cars further ahead but you're still behind cars. Why not chill out and wait until the cars in front either turn off or you reach a length of dual carriageway.
Patience is a virtue.
I always prefer idiots like him in front of me, way in front of me, so much so that I always help them to overtake me by slowing up a bit and pulling into the nearside a bit. I don't want to get involved in their accidents.
@@garymills6702 absolutely. If someone with that sort of positioning is behind me, and not leaving good distance, I would also slow down and let them go.
This very reason is what stopped me from driving like a dick. I could dangerously overtake one HGV on the A17 just to be stuck behind ten more. It was a losing battle. Then as soon as I got onto the A1 I’d be stuck in a traffic jam near Doncaster anyway .
So driving like a dick got me nowhere. It made very little difference to my journey time.
@@notmenotme614 I took note of aggressive pickup truck drivers (in the US) during my drive. It always seemed as though I still had them in full view when we were 15-20 miles down the highway. Lane usage is so dysfunctional, that bouncing from lane-to-lane doesn't avail you of anything.
@@notmenotme614 I easily shave 15-20 minutes off of my commute each way through spirited driving
The one thing I'm sure of is that I'm never going to send a clip to Ashley trying to explain what a god given talent I have :D
Me neither! You've reminded me of the T shirt that they have on Top Gear that reads "I am a driving God". Just imagine getting out of the car to a large group of onlookers at an outdoor pavement restaurant...having first made a complete hash of parallel parking!
I really hope the comment was meant to be satire, but I have a feeling it wasnt.
@@John.AR.Activism Totally 100% in satire though the Top Gear T shirt is real
Most of my long term viewers are of a better mindset. It's probably the newly subscribed ones that get caught out 😂
@@ashley_neal 🤣
Bottom line is the cammer was using public roads as a playground.
How many seconds again was it, that the bikers appeared after he had finished his 78 mph demon overtake,in which achieved absolutely nothing.
@Ben c well said, his average speed over those 280m was in excess of 78 mph. If his entry speed was 60mph his terminal speed would be easily into the 90's, is it little wonder the bikers were caught out, not that they should have been overtaking on a bend.
An interesting thing is that there are closed private courses for people in car/bike clubs to "play" in and reduce their risks, as well as those to others. When you look at the overall cost of their hobbies, I think we know why this is done on public roads. Not impressed.
oh boo hoo all that matters in life is having a good time
@@poiu477 it is possible to have a good time without risking the lives of others. If you really want to drive at such speeds then book an appointment at a race course or track. Keep your high speeds off the road.
1:45 - I've not even seen his driving yet and already the email he sent is making excuses and justifying his driving. From that you just know it's going to be bad!
Not surprised that this is an AUDI Driver...
I know because the top dashboard resembles that of a B8 2008-2016 Audi A4 in Brilliant Red.
I've just reached the same point as you Gary and feel exactly the same, whatever I am about to watch it's not justified on a public road, go to a track to have fun where the lives of innocents aren't potentially in danger.
@@simplyj7925 I missed that. The four circles of stupidity live up to their name again.
@@simplyj7925 Thanks, I was searching for the comment where someone could identify the vehicle. Good eye sir
@@simplyj7925 that is, exactly what I thought
When I learnt to drive many moons ago my instructor taught me there was three things wrong with “common sense”
1. It’s not common
2. People don’t have sense
3. People
How people over exaggerate ability at times never fails to amuse me.
I shamelessly am going to steal that, and leave as a receipt, a statement in similar vein by a traffic policeman directing traffic during a power cut, as i wheeled my bike past him: "Good idea son... if you assume all other road users are idiots, you will be wrong, but only because most of them are worse"
Treat everyone like an idiot on the road and you'll never be surprised.
@@antonycharnock2993
That's what I always tell learners... Every other road user is an idiot, so assume they'll do something stupid.
Yes and you obviously sit there all smug at 2mph driving dangerously because you haven’t a clue that it’s bad driving that kills not speed.
I never heard that before. Very well put. I'll remember that!
“I am an experienced road and track driver...”
That’s alright then.
You know how it's going to go when he says this
I wonder if the police let you off speeding fines if you've done a track day?
why not prove that he is what he says with photographic proof, then we can believe him (Cammer)
@@NPW007 I think the video probably speaks for itself.
What kinda track? Banger racing track maybe?! Lol
Long story short, he's too confident.. He could run out of luck very soon. That is how people die...
And sadly likely not just him
Yup, it'll be the kid running out to fetch their ball that rolled into the road. Drivers like him should be banned for life.
Conceited and arrogant are the words I would have chosen.
@@28YorkshireRose12 odd to meet you here lol
@@TheChipmunk2008 Well, hello! - I guess life isn't just a one way street after all!
Watching this just reminds me that it isn’t my fault for feeling stressed on the road when people like this are closing the gap behind me.
Good attitude. Gesture gently for them to pull back and thank them if they do - works most times in my experience. If they don’t, try and pull over safely as soon as you can to get out of the danger zone. No use brake testing or antagonising them, you’ll just make them drive in an even more dangerous manner.
@@wabznasm9660 just make the gap in front of you 2x as large, to accommodate for their lack of safe distance.
Brake checking rarely works unfortunately, from driving with peopple like this I realised that they don't even know if they're doing anything wrong 🤔
@@piciu256 Brake checking is stupid. it will cause an accident.
@@gdwnet it will not, it could. I done this several times to try and make the lorry behind me leave some distance, no hard braking mind you, just mellow slow down with brake lights on and accelerate away. It did seem to work once, one got a flashing and a horn, all the other times gave no reaction from the other driver, not even hand gestures...
Highway Code Annex 9: 'If you think you have the necessary acumen to drive dangerously because you got the International A-License on Gran Turismo when you were 11 and like it when car goes brrum brrum, you can opt out of all other code rules and guidance"
Funniest and most accurate comment on this thread! 😂😂😂
I had a brother in law like that he was really good driving with his thumbs, but on the roads absolutely crap
I'm not quite sure what the cammer was trying to achieve by sending this clip in. If the purpose was to show people how to drive like an idiot, then he's certainly achieved that. If he was trying to impress people, then he's failed miserably.
They sent ot in because they are a motorist. And we all know that motorists think they become god when they've got their license and earned the privilege to drive.
@@jamp12008 Not all of us Jamie. but this driver was arrogant and dangerous
@@jamp12008 what?
So people that drive all think they've become God once they've passed their test and people that don't drive are fine?
Not everyone sends their stuff in.
@@dannycochrane4330 I know not all are mate. But indo a lot of walking near roads and i see an excuse every day to stay away from the roads. Maybe i sound a bit extreme i my other comment but being on a road terrifies me these days. Keep safe out there 👍🤝
@@jamp12008 100% agree with you Jamie. As I have grown older I have become more and more aware of how dangerous the roads can be and it's frightening to think that motorists (myself included, though as rarely as possible) are so close to killing others. When I see a motorist driving irresponsibly or in a manner that could endanger others it really makes me very defensive.
You just know from the email the cammer is going to be a bit of a pillock. "I'd like to show you my driving because I'm brilliant"
And of course it's statistically impossible for everyone to be an above average driver as idiots like this would tell you!
People's perception of their driving ability is always higher than it really is. No matter who they are.
Underconfidence is a pretty serious epidemic too, mostly with women and younger drivers
Driving on a track or skid pan training helps. But it does not excuse driving like this. He went into a blind right-hander at 80mph plus. All the worse - it was such a busy day that he chose to do his "rare spirited driving".
Couldn't be more correct
@@wabznasm9660 Agree. Hesitation can be pretty serious.
@@Chrisallengallery defo not as serious as overconfidence but any extreme is awful. I like to stay in the middle of the road if I can although not literally
I can already tell from the way he's describing himself, while excusing and downplaying his behaviour, that he's gonna be in the wrong.
You can hear he has a lady passenger with him. So he is quite happy to risk her life as well as his own !
And everybody else's
She didn't seem bothered though did she? Most people I know would be screaming at the driver to let them out if they were driving that aggressively.
We all know “people” (I’ll be polite) who drive like this simply don’t think about other peoples safety despite the fact they are the main type of person to kill innocent people.
My wife shouts at me if I go over 37 in a 30 zone,
@@Estaban1025 are you implying it’s acceptable to do 37 in a 30?
"i am an experienced road and track driver" been go-karting once 😂🤣
He said it in the email, he’s “experienced at track driving”... so get your speed fix on a track where it’s as safe as possible in a controlled environment, not out on a public road where there are so many hazards... Other drivers, motorbikes, cyclists, pedestrians, wildlife etc.
What if he went round one of those bends and there were some sheep out or a tractor trimming the hedge rows? A stupid driver with a stupid attitude, needs a reality check
A work pal of mine hit a badger on the M6, at 70 MPH it was not good news. Car written off, car ended up off the motorway and several months before he was back at work.. Oh and yes badger deceased, I would expect more wild life on a country road and have had deer and horses run out infront of me. I missed them just, but the animal that caused the most damage to my car was at night and that was a pheasant. Straight throgh the grill and stuck in the radiator.
One of my old mans workmates died in that area on a motorcycle it was a heading collision. As soon as you said where it was that memory came back to me immediately.
That road isn't far from me either and is notorious for motorcycle deaths over the years. There are signs everywhere along it stating beware of bikers. This idiot driver nearly added to those statistics.
When you get behind people and move to the right to show you intend to overtake - it does put pressure on them. It makes them look more in their mirror and not ahead. It can also makes them feel pressured to close their own stopping distance they left in front of them.
That might have been what happened with the Volkswagen enabling emergency brakes at the beginning
Also if they pull out with no opportunity to overtake and I'm coming the other way then that's another hazard for me to pay attention to, for no reason.
Close up the stopping distance? When I see somebody behind me who is obviously intent on overtaking, I start dropping back off the car in front, to make sure there’s plenty of space for the overtaker to pull into safely.
@@jeremypnet That's the best thing to do for sure. Not everybody responds like that though when they feel they are being hurried?
A good point excellently made. I guess we've all had an impatient b*ast*rd up our tailgates several times. Personally when this happens I always slow down. The sooner he gets passed me, the sooner he's out of my life. I don't want to be in close proximity to someone who may well be a disaster magnet.
The Kit Car is the key - he was desperate to get past
Classic example of one driver dictating another one's manner and speed
absolutely..that’s what I thought..the guy had a better car and wanted the kit car to know it..he was peacocking as we as blokes like to do.most of us grow out of it by the time we’re about 25 though right.
Most blokes never grow out of it. In fact some get worse the older they get..
I think some drivers have the mentality that they MUST be in front, even if they overtake someone and slow down the person that they just overtook. Driving isn't fun, too many arsehats on the road.
Haha yes, "it was the kit cars fault" would be his defence in court for killing a motorcyclist!
He’s also got a phone in the middle of his windscreen to create a massive blind spot.
Bad enough to begin with, but add the speed and it’s truly crazy.
I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that!
If that was my car it would be completely in the way and a huge distraction.
That was my thought. I have always wondered how people get away with having sat nav's, phones and dash cam's mounted on their windscreen obstructing large areas of vision when a car will fail its MOT for having a chip the size of a 5p in the sweep of the wipers? Surely it must be illegal?
@@graemetaylor4149 It is illegal.
@@graemetaylor4149 I think it is but I’m not sure. Must be
@@donaldasayers You have a Sat Nav mounted to the windscreen during your driving test now. It's definitely not illegal, and as long as it's placed right, shouldn't obstruct your view enough to be an issue.
“and that’s how someone is going to die”. Simple, stark, effective narration for those who listen. I remember phoning parents hoping to get to ED in time - they didn’t.
ED erectile dysfunction?
@@Make_Boxing_Great_Again 😂
I highly doubt this is someone who goes on track days, if they were then there'd be no need to thrash the car out in public since all that aggression would be vented on track. This is just poor show all round.
My thoughts exactly. Anyone capable of driving fast on a track won't feel the need to prove anything on a public road.
What I call a temporary citizen. Just please don’t take anyone with you when you check out early.
Ha! Like it. I am going to nick that one!
Amazing that he dared to send that clip of his advanced driving,only to be shot down in flames.
Advanced driving 😂 he couldn’t even see the bend with bikers let alone commentate it.
That is NOT advanced driving ; quite the opposite in fact .
I actually believe he has done racing and advanced driving courses. He's one of those people that's let that go to his head, so now he drives with utter complacency thinking he can do what he wants, as if these courses give him telepathic powers to know what's coming and what's going to happen.
Or B- he's just a knob trying to get his excuses in before he gets ripped to shreds.
Thing is though: in races, all participants are driving in the same direction... oops.
It is like "I'm a qualified lumberjack, I know my way around axes and chainsaws, so you can trust me to carry out your brain surgery".
its a public highway, not a feckin racetrack. he clearly can’t tell the difference despite being a “experienced track driver”
Exactly.
As an advanced driver he will know that the maximum speed limit should not be exceeded even when overtaking .
He never crashed or drove behind his ability. What could of happened? If the bikes hit it was bikes fault, and they didn’t.
From the engine note, it is clear he was accelerating hard over that 280m. So at the moment when he hit the right-hander (while on the wrong side of the road) - he was doing more than the 78mph total average speed over that distance.
And the way the car moves when he puts down the power shows you he's fully accelerating
I guess that if he started at around 50ish before putting the power down then by time he reached the end of the straight it would be 100+ mph, this could average around 80mph so that makes sense
@@benhutchinson3185 But he didn't start around 50. The limit there is 60 and to me, it looks like they were going faster than that most of the way.
@@BaldMancTwat Love the name btw xD. Cant fully tell but by the end he was going very very fast and thats all that matters
@@BaldMancTwat - so if he was already driving at the speed limit, why on earth did he feel the need to overtake? The guy's an idiot!!
I thought I was a good driver but it wasn't until I started advanced lessons did I realise I had soooo much to learn (and still do). I now like to try and learn something from every drive I do and most importantly be safe, to never ever compromise safety
What was your evidence of being a good driver based on?
@@nearlyretired7005 all depends on the person you speak to. some drivers think because they do 50mph in a national speed limit they a good driver but they do 35 to 40mph in a 30zone which is not a good driver at all.
some drivers fail to make progress and go slow for the road they are on which makes them think they are a safe driver but by backing up traffic they are causing a danger else where for someone else.
Advanced lessons and training is very useful to be a better driver but some drivers that learn them become more dangerous as over confident. most important thing is if your going to drive risky, make sure its safe for other road users and safe for people in the vehicle with you.
In school they teach you in GCSE Physics class how to calculate speed using time and distance
I bet they never thought that its most powerful use would be in assessing dashcam footage!
Amazing!
So Ashley should be a good citizen and hand the cam footage as evidence to the police.
Mr Tosspot has filmed himself breaking the law.
@@sahhull
I don't think so!
We all do daft things from time to time. Especially when we're young!
Yes he was foolish but I'm certain he'll learn from his mistakes as he's admitted his actions were not good.
What the idiots don't realise is that if you double your speed then you have four times the energy that will be dumped into the crash! Bit more physics that some idiots didn't listen to in school!
@@sahhull No one likes a grass. There are times when you should go to the police to inform on someone. This is nowhere near one of those cases.
that was very big of the driver to respond this way instead of hurling abuse. great analysis of the video that many of us could learn from. thank you driver and thank you ashley
Yes. Anyone who says "Oh this isnt my normal style of driving" or "Im a professional driver for a private "improving agency" or something" is clearly living on another planet.
Since I passed my motorcycle test my awareness has increased exponentially making me a better car driver.
When a pedestrian learns and or starts to drive they'll become a much better pedestrian with the understanding it brings
Not matter how good you are as a driver you are still putting yourself and others at risk. Hopefully the cammer will learn from this as its not always about showboating when it comes to driving.
It might have been on one of your videos the other day where I saw a comment which said it's better to arrive 30 minutes late than 60 years early.
My grandad used to repeat' Better late than Never'. .now my 'Late' Grandad !!
I think I once heard "better late in this realm than early into the next"
Your commentary speaks for itself. Not going to say he's doing it knowing he's doing wrong so hopefully this video will educate him.
These are the same drivers who, having got themselves into a dodgy situation, ‘go off on one’ at you, because you reacted (flashed your lights or blew your horn) or simply didn’t dive off into the bushes to get out of their way!
I "love" how this person reminds everyone of heir own excellent abilities, but forget that there are actual living beings in the other cars, that won't always react predictably to aggressive driving
Would love to criticise the cammers driving, but I would have to consider myself a hippocrite if I did! Can't say my driving has always been good in the past.
The frequent and inappropriate centreline driving illustrates a problem I have with a lot of people who like to bang on about their level of driving *ahem* acumen... He's not doing it because he's analysed the situation and made a conscious decision to pull that tool out of his bag to maximise safety. He's doing it because it was mentioned as a technique somewhere, probably once, and he's decided that by doing it at every opportunity he can wear his Road Captain stripes with pride.
I won't bore you with the details but I've seen plenty of arbitrary rules invented in the heads of IAM members, when you know that what they've done is witnessed someone demonstrating "you CAN do this if it is safe and helps" but heard it as "DO THIS ALL THE TIME!"
I left the IAM because so many of their members in my local group were up their own backsides.
@@johno4521 Me too... In my case it was partly because of the "replace one set of arbitrary rules with another set of arbitrary rules that make me special" types, but there was a worrying number of members who couldn't accept the need to mitigate the potential to make a mistake themselves. They genuinely thought that their driving and observational abilities were infallible. Mental.
Good breakdown Ashley Neal. Not always a fan but you're spot on here with your presentation. 👍🏻 Excellent breakdown
Deluded again? Yes, is the short answer.
Frankly the message attached to the video told me all I needed to know about them before I saw the driving. They were indeed racing to catch the kit car as you said, then passing it in the imaginary race the driver was having.
Expereinced track driver as they claimed, okay, though this isn't a track. Cars all go in one direction on tracks for a reason.
Spot on with the analysis, Ashley. I knew a bloke who was a pretty good MotoGP rider and when challenged about his style of driving on the road replied, "I'm safer at 90 than most drivers at 30 (mph)." You wouldn't have thought that if you were in the passenger seat, I can tell you. You can have all the training and 'acumen' in the world but rule one is Leave the ego at home. As soon as I read the missive, I knew this bloke hadn't done that.
Also, my one and only speeding ticket was for 69 in a 60 (NSL) while overtaking. There is no defence - though perhaps because I've driven in countries where you can break the limit briefly to pass another vehicle, I was under the misapprehension that I could do it in Britain. You can't.
Also, long lines mean there's a hazard ahead - I always wait for the shorter lines, though I know many don't.
Maybe it's my age, but it frightens me when someone speeds down the road towards me passing within just a few feet, sometimes inches. It's get's so close sometimes that my car is buffeted by the compression of air as we pass and I know that if we were to have a head-on crash that no one would survive. I wish people would consider how it makes other drivers feel when speeding down narrow roads. It puts the bejesus up us and despite what people see on programmes like TopGear and various YT channels, there is no room for spirited driving on any public road. That's what race tracks are for.
When cycling it is even worse. I notice it's the same anti-social speeding drivers. They will shim past me accelerating hard, then brake hard and get right up close to the car in front. They are just anti-social to all road users. I wish the police would take cam evidence more readily - that way we could all police the roads.
Its not your age, thats jsut a retarded way to overtake, no margin for error, imagine someone overtaking like you from the other side, you get an unaviodable high speed head on crash, like in the video I linked (lethal accident of course)
@@andrewnorris5415 I notice this all the time on my bike too. I think the "must get in front of bike" mentality contributes. I like to try to imagine how stupid it would seem if the motorist did the same thing walking past a slower person on the pavement... Lunging past them and slowing right down up the backside of another pedestrian!
You sound like my grandad blaming Top Gear for people speeding hahaha he used to say that in the early 2000s but it’s like saying that playing GTA makes you a violent criminal, sorry but that’s a bit silly
@@5uper5kill3rz That's not really the point he was trying to make at all.
The wording on that email sounds like we have another deluded 'advanced driver' on our hands!
All this distance/time working out makes me feel like I'm in physics class again 😂 great video though!
Oi! What's wrong with physics? We wouldn't have cars without it. Oh, OK then.
I fitted a camera to my pushbike about 10 years ago because of "interactions" with motor vehicles on my commute and it ended up teaching me about myself.
I still feel I was competent with my sprinting and overtaking on shared paths at a time when I was quite physically fit, and would hope that if things went pear-shaped, I would have been able to avoid harming other path users, but I realised that it wasn't fair to be heading towards people at speed in that environment even if I ruled out a worst case scenario.
It caused me to remember my upbringing as primarily a pedestrian.
In later years, cycling took off in a big way locally and nearly all my issues were with the behaviour of other cyclists around me and other human beings.
Hmmm that’s fast, I don’t like overtaking things unless there doing well under the speed limit, it scares me to much but thats really the best way to be, surely driving at those speeds he’d soon catch up to the car in front. Nevertheless My driving used to be awful and even now I still question some of the decisions I make even if it Is a lot less regularly so therefore I believe it’s never to late or to early to change your driving standards 😁👍
Hi Ashley, I've just passed my driving test and stumbled across your channel a few days ago. I have binged watched a lot of your videos over the past couple of days and most helpful tip I've found so far is to make sure you have space around you at all times. I always rushed to get going once the traffic lights changed to green without assessing what others were doing just cause I had it ingrained in me that if I didn't go the second lights turned green I would get beeped at, glad I found your channel and will hopefully get into good habits while I'm still new to driving.
I also bought a dash cam to assess my own driving, however when I play the footage back the rear and front are separate clips, do you use video editing software to view front and back footage together or any specific viewers or is it just the way your dash cam plays it back? Thanks
I put the front and rear footage together in editing. Glad you’re changing your driving habits for the better 👍🏼
@AquaB8 - well done you! On the RoSPA Advanced Drivers Course I did years ago - the phrase running through the whole course was "Time To React"... you need to give yourself as much time as possible to react to the things that *could* happen. Anything else is putting a life at risk of someone else's bad decision.
I'm curious as to what advanced driver training is available which means that speed limits no longer apply
At least on the IAM motorcycle and on bikesafe, the accepted convention is to "make progress" during NSL sections.
Considering bikesafe you are typically accompanied by a police biker. I know many a blind eye has been turned to some speed in NSL sections. That said if you rode like this twat drove (up the arse of cars and careless overtakes) you'd have been flashed and brought over in a split second to have a "discussion".
IAM and RoSPA taught me to "use the road" so I will cut corners straight to maximise vision, but only when necessary (e.g. it's a twisty bit of road and having visibility of the road surface ahead is far more important than maintaining my position in the carriageway as it's clear of traffic) But hanging out across the lines for no good reason and pressuring drivers, no just no.
You make progress by being smooth and by applying some thought and observation. Not by snapping/stamping on the throttle.
Well - the pigs, as in one of his other videos, are allowed to do 150mph in order to catch a speeding driver.
They are "specially trained" - I would like to see that training, other than playing GTAV for 2 hours and getting a certificate.
@@jazzx251 Police driver training is vigorous but, given that you refer to them as 'pigs', your preconceptions are probably set in stone so no point in debating with you
I’m liking your new style……much less ego and more teaching ……makes learning and thinking about my own faults so much easier……well done ✅
As someone who is by profession required to take extreme risks in traffic, I'd like to mention that if you take a risk knowingly, you also take the consequences. Today we practiced ignoring red lights. If you take a risk you need to be sure. Not 99% sure, but 100% sure. And if you messed up the consequences will be 100% mine despite my legal status being exempt from most of the highway code. If you want to do these things, get a job with a car with pretty blue lights...
Unfortunately that would require excess cleaning daily, filth is difficult to get rid of...
@@dilanjones6457 Er, dude. Ambulances? Doctors? Fire?
Judging by his driving in the video I suspect he would fail any driving test required for blue lights.
@@GilesWendes EMTs & firemen both get very dirty on the job. Sick patients, rubble & debris. Police officers roll in the mud tackling suspects. I prefer a nice warm bath & a cup of tea with my furlough payments 🤣
@@GilesWendes Sounds like UBER Eats delivery or Deliveroo to me
Intimidating driver. By sending in his handiwork he has taught himself a valuable lesson. He’s not alone either, bad habits creep into us all, and at least he was man enough to admit his errors
A friend of mine and her boyfriend were killed near this stretch of road (I'm from Pompey) by a driver like this. He survived. I'd send this footage to the police and let them deal with it. More than enough to go to court with.
You recon? Police generally don't care unless there was an incident.
@@staycalm88 they have a service to report dangerous driving. They'll PCN for using a mobile behind the wheel, check out @CyclingMikey
@@GilesWendes Depends on the police force. Some police forces don't care i.e. Wiltshire but some do i.e. Metropolitan.
@@staycalm88 They will likely investigate, they may even station a speed tracking van on the stretch of road
@@GilesWendes He's not using his mobile though.
This is why I like your videos Ashley. Your analysis of these viewers videos are spot on. Really thorough and expertly done. They should use these videos in drivers ed courses like the police offer when you get caught speeding or due care.... 👍👍🤝
Somebody in a hurry to get to a funeral, I think!
I had written some comments, but after reading the cammer's response I think we can all learn. We say safe on the roads. Aggressive driving in everyday situations is poor judgment a best.
Cammer, good on ya for admitting your mistake. That takes a real man.
We all should learn how to drive safe!
Once I met a guy who was a talented amateur race driver. On the public roads he was relaxed. He liked to use upper gears and feel the torque of a smooth cruise without much shifting.
Wouldn't that mean shortshifting and low revs? Where torque is low?
@@ryanwatterson4038 using the bandwidth of torque without the need of shifting as a principle by numbers, which means the engine needs to be capable. And you don't need high torque in all situations when you cruise in a relaxed way. And when you do so with precaution you see where you will need torque in the foreseeable future and be prepared to shift down if necessary. Rolling, not hopping.
Not exactly delusional but definitely aggressive. I'm glad they responded well to feedback. We all make mistakes, but not all take ownership of them.
It always interests me that track day experienced riders/drivers think those skills are directly transferable to the roads, when in fact the two sets of skills required are completely different. Try using Ashley’s techniques on the track and you will be last to the finish, try using track techniques on the road and you will probably not be around long enough to learn the road craft needed to stay safe.
My brother did some crazy overtakes at stupid speeds when i was in his car once. His wife and small baby were in the back seat, too. I was terrified, although i know he's a good driver and knows how to handle a car. But what he doesn't seem to understand is that he can't correct other drivers' mistakes.
Done a track day for his birthday we’ve all been there
And felt like Lewis Hamilton afterwards (forever afterwards!)
I'm used to this bit of road - it's one of those roads with sections that you can enjoy doing the speed limit along if there is no other traffic around. In the past, I have detoured to go to Chichester in order to have the more enjoyable route.
You do sometimes get Mr Forty on that road as well - we know them, we love them... Posted limit is 40, they do 40. Posted limit is National, they do 40. Posted limit is 30, they do 40. There does seem to be a trend on roads that attract Mr Forty for people to do some spicier overtakes. One of the other roads to Chichester had 3 (now realistically 2) places along a several mile stretch that you an overtake Mr Forty. This will influence the decision for people who know the road to overtake in those places as there is a "now or never" factor in play. Of course it is usually the way that going through the windy double white line sections, there are no oncoming vehicles and as soon as you get to the arrow straight long section a platoon of oncoming cars appears, and then it is completely clear again in the next bendy section.
Of course this is not trying to justify poor decisions, but to understand some of the process behind them.
Very aggressive driving that second overtake with a blind corner approaching, shocking driving. If he is advance, then me as only 2 years passed makes me an expert.
I like the additional response from the cammer. A well thought out and thus successful video from you Ashley, once again. Great job!
'Swift Progress' that's an interesting way for them to say they were speeding.
I hate (not really, I love it and it’s improving my attitude driving) how spot on you are with your chillness and attitude when driving. I hope to have your chillness one day.
I think I used some choice words when he did that second overtake especially. I can kind of see the moving out for a better view right before an overtake, but doing it when there is no chance of an overtake just puts pressure on other drivers. Ash often makes the point in relation to Learner Cars that you should overtake in the manor you would a police car, which if he was moving out for no apparent reason, would certainly land him in trouble. We were following an unmarked police car back along, at a glance you couldnt tell. You would have to look very close to see it, and they lit up someone who shot past them. Its not worth it. This sort of driving is what makes the roads unsafe, and I think this cammer should really reconsider the manor they drive in, and how this can affect others. Take what the further training actually taught you on-board, rather than doing it for the sake of saying you've done it, and then driving like this. You're just asking to be ripped to shreads in the comments, and even lose your liscense by driving like that. Even mentioning that they drive on a track also makes them look worse, as they clearly understand where its safe to have more fun driving, and where you should be having fun within the limits of the road. Hopefully, this makes them change their ways and opens their eyes. This clip woudln't have been so action packed if the cammer didn't drive like they own the roads. If the cammer is reading this, think, if you were to injure or kill someone and this as the manor you drove in, what would happen? Still think it's worth the risk?
Sorry for the essay. Thanks for sharing, as always ash :)
You nailed it with your further training comment! If someone's had advanced driver training, you should be able to tell by their driving, not by them bragging about getting the training.
@@MrSonicAdvance thanks mate. Yeah, it seems like that. A lot of people just do it so they can say they have, rather than to make their driving better. Trouble is they get the insurance benefits for having the training, but then still drive dangerously 🤷♂️
@@seberous there’s no insurance benefit to advanced driving training in most cases
@@NubletPie278 there are a few recognised ones (IAM for example), but granted most further training isnt part of an additional qualification, fair enough, most likely no insurance benefits. However, my point still stands that having driver training itself isn't the thing, it's applying the new knowledge to driving.
@@seberous Even IAM doesn't, try it on a comparison site, your quote will not change. I think the algorithms have calculated a long time ago that the crash rate doesn't change after these courses. As you say, it's the applying the new knowledge to driving, and I think the people who do apply said knowledge are outweighed by the ones who think they're a driving god or just do it because they *think* it will reduce insurance.
Thanks for sharing this video. I think it will help me manage my own pride/humility as a driver and will do so for others too. I also think it reinforces how useful and relevant your video on how to drive a performance car (your M3) was - how to have fun but essentially not be a d*ck in the process.
He's a stones throw from Goodwood. Take it there if you want to drive like this.
I can echo every sentiment from his email, I've done skid and high performance driving courses at Goodwood, Brands Hatch, Donington and Bedford, but I would never drive like that on a public highway unless it was a dire emergency.
I actually guessed where it might be from the initial description including mention of bikes: this road and the area slightly west (A32/A272) are bandit country for enthusiastic (over enthusiastic) bikes and cars pressing on. But the traffic levels and mostly twisty bits (the road just before the section shown) make it a high risk game of chicken which isn't worth it. Used to live in Fareham, & go to Chichester regularly so know the road well, but wouldn't ever contemplate the overtakes or speed he was doing.
@@tonypowell2165 Oh yes the A32 from Wickham and the A272 from Petersfield to Winchester are indeed bandit country. It is possible to make quick progress, but the conditions are rarely right for it to be safe.
Just read your cammers response. I'm heartened to see your analysis and other's comments appear to have been fully taken on board. Drive safely y'all.
There is 'spirited' driving/riding, and then there is this. This should be kept for the track, in my opinion.
With that standard of driving, he'd probably find himself black flagged due to complaints from other track users. Just wreckless, no thought given to his driving manner and no consideration for anyone else.
Just me, me, me.
Yeah tracks don't have sideroads of entry to the track and oncoming traffic with bikers potentially overtaking cars also to consider
Spirited driving is never legal though is it?? How is doing 60mph spirited? Doing 60 is just a slow cruise.
@@Make_Boxing_Great_Again I guess it depends on your definition. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, 'spirited' means full of energy, enthusiasm and determination. For me that isn't just about speed, but also takes conditions into account. However, I would suggest that 'spirited' driving/riding is not beyond a reasonable tolerance of the speed limit, which I guess technically means it could be illegal at times, but far from always.
@@stuartking Seldom does a spirited drive comply with the law and you’re just in denial if you think otherwise. All these road safety bore fest videos are from people who think they are amazing drivers yet if they ever genuinely did a spirited drive they would be breaking the law. The whole thing just makes them and the stupid sports car a pointless contradiction.
ppl should review their own driving and stop thinking they are a finished product because there is always things to learn. Thanks Ashley for this channel coz everyone should remain a work in progress.
So cuz he drove on a track it justifies ‘spirited’ driving. Great logic, what did he gain from ANY of those overtakes? Bit of a prat tbh
maybe he thinks he gained a shag at their destination, if he didn’t kill is female passenger first 🤣🤣
I think Ashley got it right that what he wanted was to overtake the kit car which looked to be travelling at about the national limit, as it should be, he wanted to 'show him" that he had bigger b+lls and let him know he was the man. It is a serious character defect to drive like that but the whole clip demonstrated that attitude of mind with just the one aim. wee don't know what preceded this clip that brought on this driving, certainly wasn't just a drive out for the fun of it.
@@michaelbolton7563 very true
@@fredmercury1314 😂
Well, I have done road craft (advanced Police driver training) , NHS ambulance service RRV ( emergency response car driver training) . Sign of a good confident, competent driver is manners and a lack of aggression.
What was this guy trying to prove by stating that he seeks driving education and that he wouldn't normally drive like that? Doesn't matter what he does usually.....that section of driving in the clip was just awful. Too aggressive, too fast, high hedges blocking views........if he somehow thinks he was the bees knees and deserves a medal for his 'skillful' overtakes, he certainly is deluded. Either that or he's just trolling, goading people into sending comments.......in which case why does he need to do that? Perhaps we should be writing these comments in crayon so there's half a chance he can read them?
Deluded before I even saw the clip, that email was enough for me
I read enough in his email that Ashley read out: "I am an experienced road and track driver". Two VERY different skillsets, and a good track driver does not a safe road driver make. The rest of the video just confirmed my initial thinking.
"When I was younger, I'd be unlucky if I saw a couple of bad vehicle driven incidents a year on the roads". That's what I tell my children. Today I'm lucky if I can take one small trip to the shops without a crazy person doing something nuts within my view, be it Pedestrian, cyclist, car/van drivers and god forbid Taxi and LGV professional drivers too. Everyday, every trip, why? People take no pride in their roadcraft anymore, I have always tried to treat others the way I would like to be treated but It seems to be wasted on those who can't even own up to being in the wrong. We live in a world of blame but not acceptance, roll on self driven vehicles the only way to stay safe in the future.
Thanks Ashley, love watching and getting wound up at other peoples expence. Yours faithfully, A road loving driver.
Looked like he had a point to prove with the kit car. As with a lot of these type of videos what cam before would be interesting to see. To avg 78 while accelerating for that overtake he must be up near 90 when the bike appear! Awful overtaking by the bikes into what is for them a long left bend.
The kit car, looked like an aerial atom to me, which i think this driver saw as an opportunity to show he is a 'faster' driver than the atom owner......like throwing down the gauntlet to this idiot.....you can almost hear him thinking .'how dare you have a high performance car with me being the faster driver', total idiot.
@@tigerfish66 probably jealous of the fact the atom is a far superior driving experience given the fact it's not occupied by a total 🔔🔚
Very good analysis. Having worked in the Criminal Justice System for almost 30 years have seen police Collision Investigators use these techniques. Personally i would have been embarrassed to have submitted this footage of my driving.
This clip should be reported to the police for dangerous driving
Not enough info to report it, unfortunately. Maybe he's uploaded it elsewhere though.
That forensic analysis was excellent Ashley. Note to self, do not send my own driving to Ashley! 🚗🏍🚛👍
You can run but you can't hide from Ashley 😂😂😂
Sad thing is that a lot people who are killed or badly injured by reckless driving aren't the reckless drivers but usually an innocent passenger or bystander or another innocent driver, although just like to say any loss of life through stupidity is sad
When he said
"I am an experienced road and track driver".
I instally thought this comes into the Dunning Kruger effect where people who are below average at something, rate themselves as above average at something.
We can clearly see from the footage his driving standards are below average, but he honestly believes he is a good driver, hopefully this video will give him a chance to re-evaulate his driving.
I don't think it's Dunning Kruger. His driving ability is probably better than most, but his driving standard is worse.
Someone who can drive acceptably on a track but lacks maturity can easily fall into this trap. They know how to drive their car and it gives them more confidence to drive fast and a higher risk tolerance, potentially leading to dangerous situations.
It's kind of like a marksman who can shoot a target from 1000 yards but walks around with his finger on the trigger and safety off. He's a skilled shooter and has a right to he confident, but doesn't keep to a good standard.
@@cynicalpenguin Excellent analysis, smartest comment in this forum of idiots. This channel is rarely about bad driving it’s always about slagging people off with a different risk tolerance, having a different risk tolerance isn’t necessarily a bad thing it’s just different.
@@Make_Boxing_Great_AgainIt is poor form when the risks you have a tolerance for involve other people's safety, not just your own.
@@Gerishnakov This is the case for everyone and every entity that makes a safety decision though, governments enforce their own safety ideals on you and me right now. Not all flaunting of a safety rule impacts someone other than the person breaking the rule. Take for example a motorcyclist who decided against wearing a helmet, such an act would be illigal yet he only risks his own helath.
As some people have already said....
His opening written txt told you almost everything you needed to know..
If the Ariel Atom, one of the fastest accelerating cars you can buy, doesn’t think it’s nesescary to overtake, neither should you
What a crock of shite
I could be wrong, but I don’t think that was an Ariel atom
@@JGreen444 it's some sort of kit car , Most have small supermini engines and very light weight , They can accelerate if they want to but most are happy enjoying the experience at normal speeds.
As this guy should have been.
Infinite confidence in imagined ability!
Save it for the track!
A very underpowered car to conduct/attempt overtakes like that
if the car was more powerful he'd be well over 100mph, and that's not okay either. far to busy for those speeds. and those bikers might not have been able to get out the way in time at those speeds.
Not underpowered, way too much power, with an underpowered car he would have to use his brain to be able to overtake.
All cars can go fast but the time he took to do the overtake was to slow for the space available. Also you need to be in a gear which gives you the acceleration you need to pass.
Also with him being so close to the cars in front he was unable to observe all the hidden dangers in front and behind.
Overtaking isn't something you should take likely and done dangerously can cause a major collision!!
@@markwalton8644 in conclusion, no matter what car he was in, the road wasn’t suitable for the overtake
@@NitroNuggetTV A single car overtake may have been ok but certainly not a double overtake!
yeah he’s driving with his fingers crossed..just read his message and the guy sounds like he’s fully aware of the reality of his driving so all good..fella sounds genuine,we all have moments
I can honestly say that even though I've made some questionable decisions while driving in my youth, that are probably equal to those in the video, I've never done so many right after each other in such a short period. I also wouldn't feel the need to publicly highlight my errors.
I am an engineer and worked in automotive crash safety for a period of time. It gave me an appreciation of speed, as that is the biggest factor to how much energy is in a collision. This energy needs to be dissipated by the vehicle in order to protect any occupants. The energy that needs to be dissipated is kinetic energy, for which the formula is half x mass x speed squared. The speed squared is key, as this means that it has a huge factor on the amount of kinetic energy your car has. For example a 1 ton car driving at 30 mph has 90 kj of energy. Same car driving at 42.5 mph has 180 kj, so only 42% extra speed is twice the energy. A head on collision with both cars doing the 60 mph speed limit is likely to result in serious injury and death, driving much faster than that is going to decrease any chances of survival, no matter how many track days you've done.
He hasn't got the power to do overtakes like that, the car is underpowered. Maybe he's used to a motorbike?!
Sure, needs even more power to end up at an even higher speed... The power he has is well enough, but the driving style leaves a lot to be desired.
@@piciu256 More power also means you can complete an overtake more quickly, so can actually be safer.
Accelerating out of trouble is something I've had to do on a motorbike. Might be worth a video, Ash?
I thought that myself, it seems to take an absolute age to get past them cars. He's seen the aerial atom and thought he'd show them who's boss.
@@GilesWendes yes, but only if you have not enough power, this definitely isn't the case. He just starts to accelerate pretty late, that's why the maneuver takes so long- another issue with following too close.
If the driver of the Ariel Atom thinks he hasn't got enough acceleration for the overtake then pretty much nothing has. What is missing here is not acceleration but the ability to see round corners.
Nice that the driver developed some self awareness. Credit to him. I've been has guilty and has deluded. I was a very highly trained advanced driver. Still, even so, our team had crashes at times. Speed is always dangerous, especially when you think your a highly skilled driver!!!
I don't think his driving or overtakes were that bad but it certainly didn't look like the driving of someone with a lot of experience and who has 'received training and additional education' or whatever it was he said.
*I'm A RaCinG DrIvEr DoN't yOu kNoW* 😂
The training and additional education was probably a speed awareness course! As someone who has received blue light training and as an ex ADI, I found the driving nothing less than appalling.
Really bad, most importantly travelling way too close, with no possibility to accelerate beforehand (nevermind ability to slow down in time) so the overtake took much longer than it had to with the power at hand.
Your speed calculations etc from observed points on the dashcam are impressive. Great use of Google maps and your knowledge.