Serg ?¿?¿? Tolkien published The Fellowship Of The Ring in 1954, that’s 65 years ago. Unless this good man was reading Tolkien’s fantasy books when he was 8 years old when he started reading fantasy he couldn’t be lying. He probably was a young adult when he first read the book(s).
@@Sea-zu4bj Facts, dumbasses adding stupidass love affairs to things that don't need it. Gimli and Legolas were the best of friends like same and frodo.
I'm just imagining Gimli and Legolas on the boat to Valinor, laughing and drinking and arguing over who killed more orcs during their time in the Fellowship. Gimli being so old probably has aches and pains by the time him and Legolas reach Valinor, but Galadriel, Elrond, and Gandalf are there waiting at the docks, and he doesn't even hesitate jumping off the boat and rushing over give his greetings.
I still can't understand how one mastermind could create this legendarium all by himself. Truly the best work of litterature ever in the history of litterature imho.
Tolkien had years and years to come up with all of this. he was amazing. the hobbit came out in 1937 and the Lord of the Rings came out in 1954. years and years to come up with languages, characters, lore, stories....
"Friendships must NEVER break, as the days of our lives pass!" Never a more true word spoken. True friendships flourish and last a lifetime. Such a beautiful epilogue/s and does bring a tear to your eye.
@@Sifer2 The mystery of the Entwives is emblematic and it teaches a lesson -- we are here to help, but no one can ever help everyone. The Entwives have been gone for thousands of years. The land they loved and lived in is now a desert. And the Ents themselves are so old and so resigned that even if they found them now it's probably too late. Not every problem has an earthly solution.
Gandalf probably took a younger form in Valinor again. The body of an old man was a burden to him, and also hindered his understanding. There'd be no reason to hold onto it anymore, its purpose had ended. He was back home again, and he too was in need of healing and rest.
It didn't hinder his understanding. He just forgot a lot of things. Getting into the mines of Moria for one, he walks into the 3 tunnels and says "i dont remember this" then sits down and takes him awhile to pick the right one. (this is where gollum is introduced to frodo and frodo gets his eyes opened by the wise words of Gandalf.)
@@SantomPh Could, yes, but it would make no sense. Gandalf said he was getting too old, so why even go somewhere to die of old age as he would have on Earth. The only thing that makes sense is living as a healthy overall man, not a kid or old man.
Nicely done, as ever. I would only add that Galadriel and Gimli's friendship is another reason he sailed West, and that her prophecy "that your hands shall run with gold, yet over you, gold shall have no dominion" was fulfilled when he became Lord of the Glittering Caves.
I had always wondered, since Boromir sailed out into the vast ocean, since his boat was made of Elven Craft, if by some mysterious way it went into the West and landed on the beaches of Valinor and there the Elves would hollow the boat and his body and bury it on the mountain of Taniquetil. There Sam, Frodo and Gimli would also be buried together. Just as Aragorn would be buried with Merry and Pippin. Cirdan didn't sail with the Ring Bearers, would love a video about him as he is one of Elves who lived in Middle Earth his whole life, until the last ship sails, then he would depart.
Hey everyone, I hope you all enjoyed the video! I made a mistake when I misread one of my sources, Pippin lived to be older than 95 when he went to Rohan and Gondor with Merry! My apologies, and thanks to Mountain Fisher for bringing that up! Also, I tried a new editing tactic with underlying that picture of the West with some of those frames; please, let me know what you think of that and if I should continue doing that! Thank you all!
Lawd I dont know if I'm ready for this when u read what happens to the fellowship after I was damn sad then civilization ex did a video on it and sad sad sad thanks for having me great videos
Yoystan your editing creates a nice look and feel to your commentary, so as far as l am concerned keep it up. For me your weekly commentaries and video essays just bring back some of that magic I felt when I first read the Hobbit and LOTR books in the early 70's. There is a part of me that feels there are worlds of wonder like Middle Earth out there, but our's has some wonders too, ever been to Yosemite Valley, etc? I think God put that in our souls and that is something to contemplate when looking at the stars of Varda, or as the Noldor call her, Elbereth.
The last part I always read when going through the lod of the rings, is Gimli and Legolas sailing, because they are the very last members of the fellewship to leave middle Earth.
SHADOWFAX!!!! I cant believe in all my fandom and love of Tolkien lore I never once thought what happened to that magnificent horse! Thx so much for reminding me haha Another great video, keep them coming until we all sail into the west :')
I THink most of people assume without even thinking it throught that he go with Gandalf, as his fate is Unspecified and he is last seen as faithful friend and follower of Gandalf.
Fun fact about the Shadowfax in the movies. The production had purchased a lot of horses, and we're selling them off after RotK. Viggo Mortensen has a ranch himself, and purchased the horse he had ridden as Aragorn. Shadowfax, and all the rest, had been trained and cared for by a lady that was hired by the studio. She had spent a good bit of her time with Shadowfax, and really liked him. But he was an expensive horse and she couldn't afford him. As she was getting ready to head home Viggo walked up with Shadowfax and handed her the reins. He knew how much they had bonded during production so he bought Shadowfax and gave it to the trainer.
Yes, but they are undying for the beings who live there (Elfs and Maiar) are... There's nothing inherently different from the other lands that gives immortality. At the contrary, as told to the men of Numenor many centuries prior, who wanted to go to the undying lands to achieve immortality, the emissaries of the Valar specifically said that the great light and beauty of the lands would consume the mortal bodies even faster (like it happened to Beren and Luthien from the light of the Silmaril)... So that made their last years even shorter instead, but the beauty and the beatitude of Valinor healed their wounds and made them achieve a final peace before their passing
I do believe Gandalf would retain his elderly appearance to bilbo, Frodo and his middle earth friends because that is the form they recognize/feel most comfortable with. Maybe to the other valar/Maiar he would take his younger appearance as olórin just so they would be able to recognize him plus olórin was a bae so especially to the Maiar ladies they see him as a young man. Also I believe Shadowfax didn’t journey west with Gandalf but instead decided to let him stay with Tom bombadil and goldberry where they would take great care of him and he would only know happiness. (That’s just my head canon though)
After his mission is fulfilled you see Gandalf give fewer and fewer fucks. He gradually starts reacting more negatively to impositions on his time until he actually makes a point of not being present for the Scouring of the Shire. He probably kept fond feelings for his friends, but he was absolutely finished with the idea of doing anything on their behalf, which would include continuing to hobble around in a broken old man's body just because it's what they're used to.
well, not like Gandalf has all seeing eye on his back... Middle Earth is huge and he doesn't know everything that happens in all corcerns of it. You can't blame him for not being everywhere to save everyone. He did all he could wherenever he was.
Because it was his duty. After the Ring is destroyed and Middle-earth is saved, that no longer applies, and you can see that reflected in his behavior.
Interesting point. Also, it is important for the story development that the Travellers are able to deal with Sharkey themselves. It demonstrates how their journey has strengthened them.
Man I love this story, Tolkien was such an immeasurable genius. And also, I really think that, upon returning to Valinor, Gandalf would have resumed his Valinorean appearance, since he was no longer serving his quest in middle Earth he would no longer have had to take the form of a frail old man which, if I'm not mistaken, was actually one of the rules set forth for the white council in their errand. As Gandalf had accomplished his goal, the only one of the white council to do so, I don't think he would have needed to keep that form any longer. Though, of course, I could very well be wrong about that.
Letter 268: "I think Shadowfax certainly went with Gandalf [across the Sea], though this is not stated. I feel it is better not to state everything (and indeed it is more realistic, since in chronicles and accounts of 'real' history, many facts that some enquirer would like to know are omitted, and the truth has to be discovered or guessed from such evidence as there is). I should argue so: Shadowfax came of a special race (II 126,129, III 346) being as it were an Elvish equivalent of ordinary horses : his 'blood' came from 'West over Sea'. It would not be unfitting for him to 'go West'. Gandalf was not 'dying', or going by a special grace to the Western Land, before passing on 'beyond the circles of the world': he was going home, being plainly one of the 'immortals', an angelic emissary of the angelic governors (Valar) of the Earth. He would take or could take what he loved. Gandalf was last seen riding Shadowfax (III 276). He must have ridden to the Havens, and it is inconceivable that he would [have] ridden any beast but Shadowfax; so Shadowfax must have been there. A chronicler winding up a long tale, and for the moment moved principally by the sorrow of those left behind (himself among them!) might omit mention of the horse; but had the great horse also shared in the grief of sundering, he could hardly have been forgotten."
Tolkien was a genius...and so was my English/World Cultures teacher in Junior High back in '79...Thank you, thank you for substituting The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings trilogy into the curriculum instead of Shakespeare...and thank you for giving we students the choice. Again, Tolkien was a genius...and his work much more relatable to us as we've gone through life. Now in my mid-fifties, I can testify to that truth, being that I'm on the "downward slope" of my time here. The struggle of "Good versus Evil" will never cease to be a valuable lesson that's taught in school...no matter what premise teachers choose. Again, my thanks and deepest admiration to my teacher. I can count the good teachers, where I actually learned something, on one hand. Most all of the other's that I had have been forgotten over time...and that's a shame. Maybe if I had actually learned something from them things would be different? (If any teachers out there have made it this far reading, please pay heed...be a "teacher" instead of a "teller." It DOES make a difference.)
So true on your comments. Was introduced to this through my English teacher in junior high about the same age as you are. I think it resonates with many people of North and Western Europe Heritage as it combines the mythology and prehistory into an understandable possible truth. It connects something in our mind and our heart to a whisper of the past where we all have our DNA that we carry that is a part of the ancient times. Who knows how much of what he wrote was his imagination and what was what he discovered in his research that he hid from people because he didn't want to be laughed at. I mean people are confused today the Sumerian Tablets have been translated and they don't know whether they should believe them or say that they are the first sci-fi books ever written.
@@veng3r663 ok, you do realize how many people are alive now, and how many have lived throughout history, and you're going to cite the 2 or 3 exceptions? Again, reality. Everyone reading this IS going to die.
Yes. My husband is gone. One of the first things we found we had in common was our love for the Lord of the Rings. I always called him 'my man of Gondor'
@@markuse3472 Tolkien does say Samwise sailed into the west sometime before Legolas and Gimli, albeit probably not for a long time. I imagine that before Frodo and Sam’s deaths, they walk side by side through Aman to the Halls of Mandos, where they die together as one of the greatest friendships in Arda’s history.
Jack McDonnell Yeah and like Luciferians believe satan was missunderstood and actually a good being. 😂 LOL indeed! JRR Tolkien was a believer in the Lord and knew good and evil.
I'm doing great! I'm glad it's summer time and I'm certainly glad that you made that video about the epilogue of the Lord of the rings! It meant almost everything to me and to wonder what really happened to each of the members of the fellowship after the series ended. Thank you man! That vid made my day!😢😭 In tears of joy!😢😭
I love listening to all of this as it answers all the questions I have had about what happened to all of the characters after the fellowship. Thanks for this big man! ☬
Valinor does not grant immortality, it is the undying land because the deathless dwell there. Hobbits are under the gift (or doom)of men which it is explicitly stated cannot be taken away by even Manwe, as it comes from iluvatar. Likely, Frodo and Sam found repose, but likely went to a quiet sleep until dagor dagorath.
I always thought they were gifted immortality or at least a much longer lease on life when they sailed to the west. If they went there to die... Why wouldn't they want to die at home in Middle Earth?
@@StraitClownin909 It's quite possible imo that people do live longer in Valinor, but they do still die. The Valar live there, and they are truly blessed and magical lands, the powers there could no doubt soothe the pain of Frodo's cursed wounds. Legolas went West to be with his people. Sam went to be with Frodo. Gimli went to be with Galadriel. Dagor Dagorath is basically Tolkien's Ragnarok. The day Melkor, Sauron's master, will return and there will be a final apocalyptic battle for Arda. The Valar, elves, dwarves, and some men like Turin, will defeat Melkor and then rebuild the world without any influence from evil and fully realize Eru's (God's) plan.
@@jasonfenton8250 It's said instead in the Silmarillion, when the Numenoreans ask the Valar to be allowed to achieve immortality through reaching the "undying lands" that the light and beauty of the Valar and all the splendor of the land would instead consume the mortal bodies faster than in middle earth (like it happened to Beren and Luthien with the light of the Silmaril). The reason why they did go to Valinor is for the beatitude and the holiness healed all the scars of the Fellowship, and allowed them to achieve the peace. They didn't achieve immortality, actually the opposite, but they could finally rest, and take part of a beatitude never granted to any mortal before (still for a short time). Eventually they would still die, and even the Valar couldn't change their fate
Many of us have loved these works for decades. Thanks for putting this out. Beautifully done and faithful to canon. I am 67 but first read the Hobbit in the mid 60s. I have read and reread them. My favorite work of fiction. As they say in the Undying Lands: Hannad! Sílo Anor bo men lín.
this was amazing and I will share..I thought though perhaps mistakenly, that when they sailed away to the undying lands they were virtually selling to Middle Earth' s form of heaven to live forever in peace and joy
I applaud you , Sir. This was totally enjoyable. LotR is by far my most cherished tale, your summation of the end of these characters left me yearning to read the books again, for, I don't know, the 12th time , maybe. Again, well done, have a like and a sub.
thanks for this videos! Because of you I re-read The Silmarilion again, for the (I think?) 5th time. I just love this world and its characters I was wondering, if there's a way to know the artists behind the pictures you post? Some are amazing and I had never seen them before! thanks again
It's really cool that there is lore that supports the happy ending of the lord of the rings and that the fellowship members still had a lot of work to do to restore middle earth and unite the peoples there.
Efjay 3 Sam is very much the storyteller of the Trilogy, as companion of Frodo and final writer of the Red Book. In Biblical terms he's like Joshua completing the Torah after Moses' exit into the hands of God.
Thankyou for this beautiful summary. I believe that these books are so wonderful because they were written with and about Love. Tolkiens love of his wife Edith and his love for the England that he knew as a boy and wrote his testament to that age in the shape of these moving, complex, stories.
luke gnanapragasam tonight was probably somewhere around my 10th time to watch the series again. I see something new every time and having the extended versions makes it even better!!! I love seeing so many LOTR fanatics out there! :)
Its sad to know that many memebers of the fellowship who lived the adventure of a lifetime and lived to tell their tales, would eventually sucumb to death by natural ways. Can't outrun it, but at least they will never be forgotten.
Well done & thank you. Very concise. 👍 I'd forgotten a few things. Don't know about anyone else, and I'm not saying its relevant to everyone, or trying to bash the movies, but I feel really fortunate to have read and experienced Tolkien's great works before the movies came out. Even luckier, my mother read the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings to me as a bedside story when I was little, which was a really special thing, and something I wish for all parents and children to do. Because, besides it being a bonding experience, thanks to Tolkien's (and my mom's) expert storytelling (rather than Hollywood's), I got to go on an incredible and unforgettable journey in my own mind, using my own imagination, which allowed me to shape and experience Tolkien's world and stories in a far deeper and more connected way than (I think) any movie could manage. I guess the pictures/artwork of the movie actors spurred me to say this. Otherwise Peter Jackson did a great job of creating Middle Earth and (some/most of) the characters. And New Zealand was also a perfect location. . Anyway, I enjoyed getting a recap on the finer details mentioned here. Thanks again. Here's what I think about some of the questions and thoughts put forth in the video. - I can't remember how their physical appearance/age was affected once entering Valinor, only that those who were mortal were cured of their ailments (and, I think, given immortality?) So youth would make sense too those who were mortal. But I imagine that those who never aged anyway, namely Gandalf, the other wizards (Istari), and the elves, wouldn't have changed much in appearance. Ie. Gandalf was never young/young-looking to begin with (as far as I know). - Its a nice thought that Shadowfax joined them on the ship. Could be. Its worth keeping in mind, when reading LotR, that it was compiled by his son, Christopher, from his father's loose notes and diaries. Perhaps the fate of Shadowfax was written but never included for some reason?
Hey Yoystan, nice video as always. One thing still remains unclear to me. Do you know whether the children of Arwen and Aragorn were also given the choice between being an elf or man and do you know whether this renewal of half elven bloodline extends the lifespan of Aragorn's Numenorean bloodline?
Hey, I was wondering if you would be able to do a video which fully explores the Elves? So a video explaining; the different races of Elves, what race of elf are the characters in the stories, the languages they use, the different clans and groups of elves and if they have any relation to each other, what lands they came from, why did they stop in middle earth, where were they meant to go etc. I think the relations part would be most interesting. The example I have that has always puzzled me is Haldir knowing who Legolas was despite Legolas coming from a group of Elves that have probably never seen Lorien before. I know you have covered some of these in other videos but I think it would be awesome to have a video summarising it all.
Gobigblue6 Thank you for the support! Faramir and Eowyn would go on to life good and peaceful lives in Ithilien, but I’d love to make an in-depth video about them!
Men of the West Gandalf is amazing a friend of mine we played the one ring. I was playing a thief who's whole goal was to steal things no one else could. I attempted to steal Gandalfs ring once I saw it was invisible on his finger. Needless to say he caught me and this lead to an interesting conversation involving a sword to my throat. However about a month later I tried to steal elronrs ring I managed to succeed (every elf failed it's perception check Elron crit failed) I got the ring and had a very confusing 4 months of us get chased by the elven armies of rivindell for a just a nice looking ring (my character didn't know what it was he only found out later it was helping his wounds heal) basicly my character was the primary source of shanagins
This Was A Most Awesome Adventure to be brought on our favorite people from Lord of the Rings I am 57 years old I read those books when I was in my early teens and my son love them also. He knew all about them like he was an expert. Thank you so much that was so amazing
Great video! I couldn't help but notice that a lot of the images you found were actually from the game "The Lord of the Rings Online", which more or less recreated much of Middle-earth. Nothing wrong with it, just an observation. :) Keep up the good work!
Great video, wish there was more on gimili in Valinor. Please do a Children of Hurin video sometime, thats my all time favorite story from the legendarium. Hurin is the mightiest warrior of men and reading what he did in the battle of unnumbered tears gives me chills
It's sad it see it over would've been amazing seen prequels this brilliantly made masterpiece storyline and characters I can imagine it been amazing with today's technology
I’d imagine they’d live better and longer, but perhaps the title of Undying Lands may refer to the lands themselves not fading? The elves’ gift were immortality, their fates were bound to that world, but men’s gift was death, as they could die and move on- both would envy the other. Dwarves weren’t ever supposed to exist, and I’m not sure what happens to the other races.
Yea I thought that the curse / price of putting on the one ring was to be changed forever, never able to die, just to go on and on, even after it was destroyed. I thought that Bilbo, Frodo and later Sam all went to Valinor so that there they could live on, not in pain, but with their friends in a land where death doesn't exist. I also thought that was why no mortals were supposed to go to Valinor, because to walk there would change them and rob from them the gift of death and that the army from Numenor that landed their was still alive and buried. That's just my take, I'm sure it's flawed, but I like it :)
Going to the Undying lands makes you immortal. Elrond and Arwen’s parting was described as so sad because it would last forever. They wouldn’t see each other again. Valinor isn’t heaven, it’s a physical paradise. The dead go to “the halls of their fathers,” kind of a Valhalla type place or places (each race/nation, like our Earth) imagines its own version of heaven, how intermingled the afterlife is, well, that’s something I’d love to ask Tolkien. The reason Arwen and Luthien’s tales are so tragic is that death is eternal separation from other elves. What form/age Frodo, Bilbo, Sam, & Gimli exist in once they get to Undying lands is another thing I’d love to ask Tolkien. Given that it is the residence of, well, God, I think they are given eternal life AND eternal youth (if they choose). The undying lands are a place where Frodo can be healed and live free of pain. I have to think that means the aches and pains of age are reversed for Bilbo, Sam, Gimli, and and any other non-elves/higher beings (like Radagast, Gandalf, etc) that were allowed into undying lands. Plus, shadowfax gets eternal life too.
You have helped me understand and learn so much more with this beautiful story this gorgeous world . Thank you so so much for everything. Do you have a video about Halidir if not can please do one explaining his character he is one of my favorite elf's pretty please. Thank you so much for the work you do....
I wish this video existed 2 days ago I literally looked each character up 2 days ago and it was kind of tiresome process, thank u for putting this video together to make it more simple.
Wow..beautiful but emotional. Tearful but wonderful. How 1 man created ALL of this..truly the best Author that ever lived. A true genius. To create something sooo amazing, and..most importantly..so believable. You could imagine such a world existing. A true Mastermind of literature and and true Master. Thank you and god bless you.
You made me cry for 15 minutes. Thanks. I'm now 73 and I've spent a life time with these characters.
@@DogYearBlues you do realise the books came out years ago , anyways you can never be too old or too young
@@DogYearBlues stfu
Why would you cry? Lmao
As am I, Charles. I began to read Tolkien when I was 14 & I'm 66 now.
Serg ?¿?¿? Tolkien published The Fellowship Of The Ring in 1954, that’s 65 years ago. Unless this good man was reading Tolkien’s fantasy books when he was 8 years old when he started reading fantasy he couldn’t be lying. He probably was a young adult when he first read the book(s).
I can just imagine a very old angry Gimili light up like a flower at the sight of Galadriel when he went to Valinor
The thought of that got me all teary-eyed.
@@shannon1664 indeed ;)
Dennis Cleary he definitely earned the right to go to valinor
semantanijones you disgust me, they were brothers not gay
@@Sea-zu4bj Facts, dumbasses adding stupidass love affairs to things that don't need it. Gimli and Legolas were the best of friends like same and frodo.
I'm just imagining Gimli and Legolas on the boat to Valinor, laughing and drinking and arguing over who killed more orcs during their time in the Fellowship. Gimli being so old probably has aches and pains by the time him and Legolas reach Valinor, but Galadriel, Elrond, and Gandalf are there waiting at the docks, and he doesn't even hesitate jumping off the boat and rushing over give his greetings.
I still can't understand how one mastermind could create this legendarium all by himself. Truly the best work of litterature ever in the history of litterature imho.
He was a professor of anglo saxon studies so he knew all the chronic tales to draw inspiration from.
He has lots of inspiration, like Tales from the Kalevala, which helped him shape "Narn I [C]Hin Hurin".
also alot of inspiration from the bible
Tolkien had years and years to come up with all of this. he was amazing. the hobbit came out in 1937 and the Lord of the Rings came out in 1954. years and years to come up with languages, characters, lore, stories....
This, I agree with, almost completely. But for me, when people throw the same praise to comic "books" creators, I wish I could vomit.
"Friendships must NEVER break, as the days of our lives pass!" Never a more true word spoken. True friendships flourish and last a lifetime. Such a beautiful epilogue/s and does bring a tear to your eye.
Gandalf: and then the ring was destroyed bringing peace forever
Tom: but what about the ents
To be fair it is a loose end. Did they ever find their Wives or what? heh
@@Sifer2 The mystery of the Entwives is emblematic and it teaches a lesson -- we are here to help, but no one can ever help everyone. The Entwives have been gone for thousands of years. The land they loved and lived in is now a desert. And the Ents themselves are so old and so resigned that even if they found them now it's probably too late.
Not every problem has an earthly solution.
Gandalf: "I said peace forever!" ♪ Concerning Hobbits ♪
@@hagamapama Why not?
@@bookmouse2719 You'll need to expand your question a bit. Why not what?
Aw... Aragorn being buried next to the Hobbits almost made me tear up :(
"A great warrior maybe felled by a single arrow. Boromir was felled by three." - Pippin to Denothor, Return of the King
*Many
Sorry to nitpick but it was many
@@gabecarr8496 thank you. This idiot hasn't even seen the film obviously
@@325133 You guys are both wrong. "The mightiest man may be slain by one arrow, and Boromir was pierced by many." *pierced
@Richard HART I don't have to. I just did, why do you ask?
@@325133 because it is kind of rude calling a person idiot?
The thought of everyone reuniting in Valinor makes me want to cry.
Gandalf probably took a younger form in Valinor again. The body of an old man was a burden to him, and also hindered his understanding. There'd be no reason to hold onto it anymore, its purpose had ended. He was back home again, and he too was in need of healing and rest.
Absolutely. There can't be any other view on this.
It didn't hinder his understanding. He just forgot a lot of things. Getting into the mines of Moria for one, he walks into the 3 tunnels and says "i dont remember this" then sits down and takes him awhile to pick the right one. (this is where gollum is introduced to frodo and frodo gets his eyes opened by the wise words of Gandalf.)
He could just appear as an old man, but be in perfect mental health
@@SantomPh Could, yes, but it would make no sense. Gandalf said he was getting too old, so why even go somewhere to die of old age as he would have on Earth. The only thing that makes sense is living as a healthy overall man, not a kid or old man.
Why take a body at all? As Maier isn't he Spirit outside of Ard
Nicely done, as ever. I would only add that Galadriel and Gimli's friendship is another reason he sailed West, and that her prophecy "that your hands shall run with gold, yet over you, gold shall have no dominion" was fulfilled when he became Lord of the Glittering Caves.
I'm 61 yrs old and have cherished this lore all my life. I can't thank you enough for this video . Well done!
Boromir the Brave did not die in vain. He would be smiling if he could see his friends achieve victory over the enemy of his people.
I had always wondered, since Boromir sailed out into the vast ocean, since his boat was made of Elven Craft, if by some mysterious way it went into the West and landed on the beaches of Valinor and there the Elves would hollow the boat and his body and bury it on the mountain of Taniquetil. There Sam, Frodo and Gimli would also be buried together. Just as Aragorn would be buried with Merry and Pippin. Cirdan didn't sail with the Ring Bearers, would love a video about him as he is one of Elves who lived in Middle Earth his whole life, until the last ship sails, then he would depart.
Dragorath Tatsu I am speechless, that would be such a beautiful end. I really love this theory!
Dragorath Tatsu
This is an excellent question and thought for such a noble warrior!
Dragorath Tatsu That is a really cool theory, I had never though of that or even considered it, but it makes sense and even seems kind of Tolkien-ish.
You're fucking high
and think of Legolas, kinda sad seeing all friends leaved =/
Keep going man, this channel will blow up like crazy when the TV show arrives
TV Show?! my my my.. thats a surprise, but a very welcome one.. a very exciting one.
What tv-show?
@@whynottalklikeapirat the Amazon Prime tv series... It's gonna be set in the second age!
@@tombombadil8084 what explain more
@@youreniceuknow8843 just look it up for yourself. It's been absolutely huge news for months.
Beautiful... Brought tears tears to my eyes... But "not all tears are an evil." ❤️
you know, you didn't have to make me cry, but you did anyways. great video, thank you for this heartwarming experience
"Boromir came back to life in several other dimensions and died painfully for about 15 times"
"What is your name?"
"In this world they call me Eddard."
The one Dimension I know, he was just a priest of Akatosh.
The one universe he doesn’t die in, he gets sacked and loses his job
In one universe, he gets executed by his coworker for liking arts and poems
In one dimension, he was a secret agent 006...
Hey everyone, I hope you all enjoyed the video! I made a mistake when I misread one of my sources, Pippin lived to be older than 95 when he went to Rohan and Gondor with Merry! My apologies, and thanks to Mountain Fisher for bringing that up! Also, I tried a new editing tactic with underlying that picture of the West with some of those frames; please, let me know what you think of that and if I should continue doing that! Thank you all!
Damn...this quote always makes me cry...Keep up the amazing work!!!
Lawd I dont know if I'm ready for this when u read what happens to the fellowship after I was damn sad then civilization ex did a video on it and sad sad sad thanks for having me great videos
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Men of the West I am pretty sure Shadowfax comes with Gandalf on the last ship
Yoystan your editing creates a nice look and feel to your commentary, so as far as l am concerned keep it up.
For me your weekly commentaries and video essays just bring back some of that magic I felt when I first read the Hobbit and LOTR books in the early 70's. There is a part of me that feels there are worlds of wonder like Middle Earth out there, but our's has some wonders too, ever been to Yosemite Valley, etc? I think God put that in our souls and that is something to contemplate when looking at the stars of Varda, or as the Noldor call her, Elbereth.
The last part I always read when going through the lod of the rings, is Gimli and Legolas sailing, because they are the very last members of the fellewship to leave middle Earth.
SHADOWFAX!!!!
I cant believe in all my fandom and love of Tolkien lore I never once thought what happened to that magnificent horse! Thx so much for reminding me haha
Another great video, keep them coming until we all sail into the west :')
Would have been a great gift for the newly married King of Gondor right?
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I THink most of people assume without even thinking it throught that he go with Gandalf, as his fate is Unspecified and he is last seen as faithful friend and follower of Gandalf.
Yeah bill died as he was not immortal
He went as he came I guess, i take it Gandalf summoned him and he wasn't just trotting about in the next field
Fun fact about the Shadowfax in the movies. The production had purchased a lot of horses, and we're selling them off after RotK. Viggo Mortensen has a ranch himself, and purchased the horse he had ridden as Aragorn. Shadowfax, and all the rest, had been trained and cared for by a lady that was hired by the studio. She had spent a good bit of her time with Shadowfax, and really liked him. But he was an expensive horse and she couldn't afford him.
As she was getting ready to head home Viggo walked up with Shadowfax and handed her the reins. He knew how much they had bonded during production so he bought Shadowfax and gave it to the trainer.
Thank you Sir. Unsought for you came over the hills covered in silver armor gleaming in the sunlight.
I'm saying this again, Sam had 13 kids 13
You've really gotta feel sorry for Rose.
Cardinal Doomsday hmm😪
We know nothing of Hobbits giving birth, I hope it is less painful as for humans :)
Hahaha it is possible 😂😂
Hobbits probably had it easier giving birth.
Thank you for this. To know that Frodo and Sam are reunited after the events of the film warms my heart.
"The Undying Lands" - is that not a name for The West? So, Gimli would have met Frodo and Sam - Is what I choose to think as it's much nicer.
Yes, when anyone makes mention of sailing to the west in LOTR they are talking about the undying lands
Yes, but they are undying for the beings who live there (Elfs and Maiar) are... There's nothing inherently different from the other lands that gives immortality. At the contrary, as told to the men of Numenor many centuries prior, who wanted to go to the undying lands to achieve immortality, the emissaries of the Valar specifically said that the great light and beauty of the lands would consume the mortal bodies even faster (like it happened to Beren and Luthien from the light of the Silmaril)... So that made their last years even shorter instead, but the beauty and the beatitude of Valinor healed their wounds and made them achieve a final peace before their passing
I'm adding this quote from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valinor that might clear that up:
I always thought that --- that the lands were literally where death never touched so there Frodo, Sam all still exist.
I do believe Gandalf would retain his elderly appearance to bilbo, Frodo and his middle earth friends because that is the form they recognize/feel most comfortable with. Maybe to the other valar/Maiar he would take his younger appearance as olórin just so they would be able to recognize him plus olórin was a bae so especially to the Maiar ladies they see him as a young man. Also I believe Shadowfax didn’t journey west with Gandalf but instead decided to let him stay with Tom bombadil and goldberry where they would take great care of him and he would only know happiness. (That’s just my head canon though)
That bit about Gandalf I agree with. I do however think that he would at least show all his friends his younger, Olorin form, so they know.
After his mission is fulfilled you see Gandalf give fewer and fewer fucks. He gradually starts reacting more negatively to impositions on his time until he actually makes a point of not being present for the Scouring of the Shire. He probably kept fond feelings for his friends, but he was absolutely finished with the idea of doing anything on their behalf, which would include continuing to hobble around in a broken old man's body just because it's what they're used to.
well, not like Gandalf has all seeing eye on his back... Middle Earth is huge and he doesn't know everything that happens in all corcerns of it. You can't blame him for not being everywhere to save everyone. He did all he could wherenever he was.
Because it was his duty. After the Ring is destroyed and Middle-earth is saved, that no longer applies, and you can see that reflected in his behavior.
Interesting point. Also, it is important for the story development that the Travellers are able to deal with Sharkey themselves. It demonstrates how their journey has strengthened them.
Man I love this story, Tolkien was such an immeasurable genius.
And also, I really think that, upon returning to Valinor, Gandalf would have resumed his Valinorean appearance, since he was no longer serving his quest in middle Earth he would no longer have had to take the form of a frail old man which, if I'm not mistaken, was actually one of the rules set forth for the white council in their errand. As Gandalf had accomplished his goal, the only one of the white council to do so, I don't think he would have needed to keep that form any longer. Though, of course, I could very well be wrong about that.
I see Sam and Rosy In the immortal words of Bilbo Baggins "goodness gracias you have been productive"
The epilogues are quite bittersweet in a way 😢
Awesome work! Your one of the few who really go deep into "Tolkien's Mithology" and provide knowledge to us lesser beings!
Letter 268:
"I think Shadowfax certainly went with Gandalf [across the Sea], though this is not stated. I feel it is better not to state everything (and indeed it is more realistic, since in chronicles and accounts of 'real' history, many facts that some enquirer would like to know are omitted, and the truth has to be discovered or guessed from such evidence as there is). I should argue so: Shadowfax came of a special race (II 126,129, III 346) being as it were an Elvish equivalent of ordinary horses : his 'blood' came from 'West over Sea'. It would not be unfitting for him to 'go West'. Gandalf was not 'dying', or going by a special grace to the Western Land, before passing on 'beyond the circles of the world': he was going home, being plainly one of the 'immortals', an angelic emissary of the angelic governors (Valar) of the Earth. He would take or could take what he loved. Gandalf was last seen riding Shadowfax (III 276). He must have ridden to the Havens, and it is inconceivable that he would [have] ridden any beast but Shadowfax; so Shadowfax must have been there. A chronicler winding up a long tale, and for the moment moved principally by the sorrow of those left behind (himself among them!) might omit mention of the horse; but had the great horse also shared in the grief of sundering, he could hardly have been forgotten."
Tolkien was a genius...and so was my English/World Cultures teacher in Junior High back in '79...Thank you, thank you for substituting The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings trilogy into the curriculum instead of Shakespeare...and thank you for giving we students the choice. Again, Tolkien was a genius...and his work much more relatable to us as we've gone through life. Now in my mid-fifties, I can testify to that truth, being that I'm on the "downward slope" of my time here. The struggle of "Good versus Evil" will never cease to be a valuable lesson that's taught in school...no matter what premise teachers choose. Again, my thanks and deepest admiration to my teacher. I can count the good teachers, where I actually learned something, on one hand. Most all of the other's that I had have been forgotten over time...and that's a shame. Maybe if I had actually learned something from them things would be different? (If any teachers out there have made it this far reading, please pay heed...be a "teacher" instead of a "teller." It DOES make a difference.)
So true on your comments. Was introduced to this through my English teacher in junior high about the same age as you are. I think it resonates with many people of North and Western Europe Heritage as it combines the mythology and prehistory into an understandable possible truth. It connects something in our mind and our heart to a whisper of the past where we all have our DNA that we carry that is a part of the ancient times. Who knows how much of what he wrote was his imagination and what was what he discovered in his research that he hid from people because he didn't want to be laughed at. I mean people are confused today the Sumerian Tablets have been translated and they don't know whether they should believe them or say that they are the first sci-fi books ever written.
All of our stories must come to an end.
Not.. necessarily. Quite a bit presumptuous to speaketh so concerning everyone is it not..?
@@veng3r663 not presumptuous; reality. We all die eventually. Thus our stories all come to an end.
@@Na-if5ze Actually everyone has NOT died nor is destined TO die. Or have you already forgotten about Enoch & Elijah..?
@@veng3r663 ok, you do realize how many people are alive now, and how many have lived throughout history, and you're going to cite the 2 or 3 exceptions? Again, reality. Everyone reading this IS going to die.
Yes. My husband is gone. One of the first things we found we had in common was our love for the Lord of the Rings. I always called him 'my man of Gondor'
I find it wonderful that all of the fellowship except for Aragorn, boromere, and Merry and pippin went to Valinor
According to the books, we REALLY don't know if Sam did. Like I said: REALLY.
@@markuse3472 We also really don't know whether Gimli went.
@@qwertyTRiG True, but there is more certainty that Gimli went than Sam.
@@markuse3472 Tolkien does say Samwise sailed into the west sometime before Legolas and Gimli, albeit probably not for a long time. I imagine that before Frodo and Sam’s deaths, they walk side by side through Aman to the Halls of Mandos, where they die together as one of the greatest friendships in Arda’s history.
What if Gollum never took the one ring?
History of Gimli
History of Saruman
What if Saruman was good
Plus thoughts on the first Hobbit video game
Jack McDonnell Yeah and like Luciferians believe satan was missunderstood and actually a good being. 😂 LOL indeed! JRR Tolkien was a believer in the Lord and knew good and evil.
Jim Chumley hey man if you don’t like it just say it yeesh
Saruman WAS good until he used the palantir too much and was warped by sauron
Yeah but saruman was not satan. That was melkor, and sauron was one of his demons. Saruman only got corrupted later
I'm doing great! I'm glad it's summer time and I'm certainly glad that you made that video about the epilogue of the Lord of the rings! It meant almost everything to me and to wonder what really happened to each of the members of the fellowship after the series ended. Thank you man! That vid made my day!😢😭 In tears of joy!😢😭
THANKS AS ALWAYS!
why does this video make me so sad
because as them we all will die. hahaha
It's a series of endings. You just watched a series of heroes all face the music one after another.
This is not end. This is beginning of new life that all must have survive
Because all thing's must come to an end,regardless of age or race in Middle Earth....But the 5th age begins anew.
It's a bitter sweet thing as is life sad but strangely joyous.
I read these books ten times at least, I am still amazed how deep they are.
"We're all stories in the end. Just be sure to make it a good one, eh?"
-The Doctor
So many feels. He read Gandalf's quote at the beginning and I spent the rest of the video internally crying "MY BABIEEEEEES!!!"
love these extra stories. this one is my most fav yet, so touching, sad and beautiful.
OooooooO!!! I always wanted to learn about the others and what they were doing especially Gimli and Legolas and Aragorn
I have the silhouette shot blown up on the wall in my game room. Best raiding party of all time
YESSSSS!!! My favorite channel has uploaded again!!!!!!
Great video to start my day on. I would love an Epic Character video with Eowyn (vastly overlooked hero) and Eomer. Keep up the perfect work.
Nice work. Thanks!
The way you speak and add such genuine love for these works, truly brings tears to my eyes. Please keep up the good work
Eru Iluvatar protects this video from Melkor and all of his minions. Not a single dislike and almost 700 likes!
Thank you. I can listen to you all night. Perfect for getting relaxed, but you still captivate us with your story telling and voice. Great work 👍.
This video put me to tears
I love listening to all of this as it answers all the questions I have had about what happened to all of the characters after the fellowship.
Thanks for this big man! ☬
Valinor does not grant immortality, it is the undying land because the deathless dwell there. Hobbits are under the gift (or doom)of men which it is explicitly stated cannot be taken away by even Manwe, as it comes from iluvatar. Likely, Frodo and Sam found repose, but likely went to a quiet sleep until dagor dagorath.
I always thought they were gifted immortality or at least a much longer lease on life when they sailed to the west. If they went there to die... Why wouldn't they want to die at home in Middle Earth?
What's Dagor Dagorath?
Armageddon/Ragnarok you name it.@@StraitClownin909
@@StraitClownin909 It's quite possible imo that people do live longer in Valinor, but they do still die. The Valar live there, and they are truly blessed and magical lands, the powers there could no doubt soothe the pain of Frodo's cursed wounds. Legolas went West to be with his people. Sam went to be with Frodo. Gimli went to be with Galadriel.
Dagor Dagorath is basically Tolkien's Ragnarok. The day Melkor, Sauron's master, will return and there will be a final apocalyptic battle for Arda. The Valar, elves, dwarves, and some men like Turin, will defeat Melkor and then rebuild the world without any influence from evil and fully realize Eru's (God's) plan.
@@jasonfenton8250 It's said instead in the Silmarillion, when the Numenoreans ask the Valar to be allowed to achieve immortality through reaching the "undying lands" that the light and beauty of the Valar and all the splendor of the land would instead consume the mortal bodies faster than in middle earth (like it happened to Beren and Luthien with the light of the Silmaril). The reason why they did go to Valinor is for the beatitude and the holiness healed all the scars of the Fellowship, and allowed them to achieve the peace. They didn't achieve immortality, actually the opposite, but they could finally rest, and take part of a beatitude never granted to any mortal before (still for a short time). Eventually they would still die, and even the Valar couldn't change their fate
Many of us have loved these works for decades. Thanks for putting this out. Beautifully done and faithful to canon. I am 67 but first read the Hobbit in the mid 60s. I have read and reread them. My favorite work of fiction. As they say in the Undying Lands: Hannad! Sílo Anor bo men lín.
this was amazing and I will share..I thought though perhaps mistakenly, that when they sailed away to the undying lands they were virtually selling to Middle Earth' s form of heaven to live forever in peace and joy
Another great episode! I'm so glad to be able to listen to these reviews about Middle-Earth when I don't have time to re-read them myself.
I could see Shadowfax running with a pack of wild horses, having babies and living a natural life.
Your channel is absolutely amazing! I love it! Every episode you show is so enriching and quite the experience. Thank you so much.
I love how you included scenes from LOTRO in this. I am playing it right now!
Great video, Yoysten! I like how the members of the fellowship were honored with great positions such as Lord of the Glittering Caves.
Merry compiled a great deal of information from Rohan as well.
I applaud you , Sir. This was totally enjoyable. LotR is by far my most cherished tale, your summation of the end of these characters left me yearning to read the books again, for, I don't know, the 12th time , maybe. Again, well done, have a like and a sub.
thanks for this videos! Because of you I re-read The Silmarilion again, for the (I think?) 5th time. I just love this world and its characters
I was wondering, if there's a way to know the artists behind the pictures you post? Some are amazing and I had never seen them before! thanks again
It's really cool that there is lore that supports the happy ending of the lord of the rings and that the fellowship members still had a lot of work to do to restore middle earth and unite the peoples there.
Who else holds Sam as their favourite character?
Yeah Sam & Gimli were both pretty kick-ass, but King Theoden just keeps growing on me more & more...
Efjay 3 Sam is very much the storyteller of the Trilogy, as companion of Frodo and final writer of the Red Book. In Biblical terms he's like Joshua completing the Torah after Moses' exit into the hands of God.
NO ONE!
It's my second character, the first is Galadriel.
I remember coming out of the theater "the return of the King" and I was thinking this movie should have been named "Sam" !!!
Thankyou for this beautiful summary. I believe that these books are so wonderful because they were written with and about Love. Tolkiens love of his wife Edith and his love for the England that he knew as a boy and wrote his testament to that age in the shape of these moving, complex, stories.
I'm so bound to this movie & I just can't imagine that I watched the whole series for the third time again (2004, 2009 & in 2019)
luke gnanapragasam tonight was probably somewhere around my 10th time to watch the series again. I see something new every time and having the extended versions makes it even better!!! I love seeing so many LOTR fanatics out there! :)
That's rookie numbers I've seen the trilogy 3 times this year alone (and a fourth time soon)
Your videos give me chills man.
Three Ringwraiths didn't like this video.
And a few mumaks too apart from a very hungry and angry shelob..
Maybe wraiths can't deal with people who pronounce "scour" wrong.
Great vid! It's strange that a land of fantasy can be SO real. For me, it lives on in my mind and heart. Frodo lives.
Its sad to know that many memebers of the fellowship who lived the adventure of a lifetime and lived to tell their tales, would eventually sucumb to death by natural ways. Can't outrun it, but at least they will never be forgotten.
Well done & thank you. Very concise. 👍 I'd forgotten a few things.
Don't know about anyone else, and I'm not saying its relevant to everyone, or trying to bash the movies, but I feel really fortunate to have read and experienced Tolkien's great works before the movies came out. Even luckier, my mother read the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings to me as a bedside story when I was little, which was a really special thing, and something I wish for all parents and children to do.
Because, besides it being a bonding experience, thanks to Tolkien's (and my mom's) expert storytelling (rather than Hollywood's), I got to go on an incredible and unforgettable journey in my own mind, using my own imagination, which allowed me to shape and experience Tolkien's world and stories in a far deeper and more connected way than (I think) any movie could manage.
I guess the pictures/artwork of the movie actors spurred me to say this. Otherwise Peter Jackson did a great job of creating Middle Earth and (some/most of) the characters. And New Zealand was also a perfect location. .
Anyway, I enjoyed getting a recap on the finer details mentioned here. Thanks again. Here's what I think about some of the questions and thoughts put forth in the video.
- I can't remember how their physical appearance/age was affected once entering Valinor, only that those who were mortal were cured of their ailments (and, I think, given immortality?) So youth would make sense too those who were mortal. But I imagine that those who never aged anyway, namely Gandalf, the other wizards (Istari), and the elves, wouldn't have changed much in appearance. Ie. Gandalf was never young/young-looking to begin with (as far as I know).
- Its a nice thought that Shadowfax joined them on the ship. Could be. Its worth keeping in mind, when reading LotR, that it was compiled by his son, Christopher, from his father's loose notes and diaries. Perhaps the fate of Shadowfax was written but never included for some reason?
Hey Yoystan, nice video as always. One thing still remains unclear to me. Do you know whether the children of Arwen and Aragorn were also given the choice between being an elf or man and do you know whether this renewal of half elven bloodline extends the lifespan of Aragorn's Numenorean bloodline?
Beautifully done sir.
Hey, I was wondering if you would be able to do a video which fully explores the Elves? So a video explaining; the different races of Elves, what race of elf are the characters in the stories, the languages they use, the different clans and groups of elves and if they have any relation to each other, what lands they came from, why did they stop in middle earth, where were they meant to go etc.
I think the relations part would be most interesting. The example I have that has always puzzled me is Haldir knowing who Legolas was despite Legolas coming from a group of Elves that have probably never seen Lorien before.
I know you have covered some of these in other videos but I think it would be awesome to have a video summarising it all.
This would pretty much be The Silmarillion
Thanks c&d! I was concerned that I was the only one who read it. Been waiting to see if the Series continues on screen like they did The Hobbit!
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I would think he (Gandalf) took on a younger appearance. All the best of friends ended up in Valinor. Such a great video. What of Faramir and Eowyn?
Gobigblue6 Thank you for the support! Faramir and Eowyn would go on to life good and peaceful lives in Ithilien, but I’d love to make an in-depth video about them!
Faramir and Eowyn rule Ithielen as its Prince and Princess. Faramir dies at 150 years old, something very unusual for men of his time.
@@SantomPh But Gandalf mentioned that the blood of Numenor ran almost pure in Faramir, which may explain his longer life.
NoobMeister think about younger Sir Ian mcKellen then
also thank you so much for sharing this cool stuff with everyone I always look forward to Sundays uploads :)
The Nine Wanderers
I have been binge watching these during quarentine....you watch one...you have to watch them all 😆 🤣 😂
Great video! But I wanna know who is your favourite member of the fellowship. I love them all but I gotta say mine favourite has to be Legolas.
Thanks Ben! Favorite members of the Fellowship are Aragorn and Sam, but as a leader and group member, I would have to say Gandalf!
Men of the West Gandalf is amazing a friend of mine we played the one ring. I was playing a thief who's whole goal was to steal things no one else could. I attempted to steal Gandalfs ring once I saw it was invisible on his finger. Needless to say he caught me and this lead to an interesting conversation involving a sword to my throat. However about a month later I tried to steal elronrs ring I managed to succeed (every elf failed it's perception check Elron crit failed) I got the ring and had a very confusing 4 months of us get chased by the elven armies of rivindell for a just a nice looking ring (my character didn't know what it was he only found out later it was helping his wounds heal) basicly my character was the primary source of shanagins
are you talking about some kind of online game or what?
Me too.
Meguim? You serious?
This Was A Most Awesome Adventure to be brought on our favorite people from Lord of the Rings I am 57 years old I read those books when I was in my early teens and my son love them also. He knew all about them like he was an expert. Thank you so much that was so amazing
I read that too much, but it was fascinating!!!
Until The Light Of Earendil...Marion Baggins Out!!!
New subscriber. Awesome content and you're not obnoxious about your ad revenue. Thanks!
Welcome! For me, this has never and will never be about the money. It’s about our passion for Tolkien’s works!
Great video! I couldn't help but notice that a lot of the images you found were actually from the game "The Lord of the Rings Online", which more or less recreated much of Middle-earth. Nothing wrong with it, just an observation. :)
Keep up the good work!
Yay! A Tolkien fan who really knows his stuff. Brilliant, accurate summary. Nicely done.
That was great, felt like closure :)
Fantastic video! Thank you for the discussion.
“Scoor-ing”?
Oh. Scouring. Rhymes with “towering”.
Thank you. Scour...rhymes with flour. I found the mispronunciation annoying as well.
Sounded like he was saying scurrying.
Always the most bittersweet part of the story. Thanks for your work.
Great video, wish there was more on gimili in Valinor. Please do a Children of Hurin video sometime, thats my all time favorite story from the legendarium. Hurin is the mightiest warrior of men and reading what he did in the battle of unnumbered tears gives me chills
Remember the Fens of Serech!
There is nothing on Gimli in Valinor because no one wrote it into the histories-obviously
Great work, thank you for your time preparing it. Respect brother
It's sad it see it over would've been amazing seen prequels this brilliantly made masterpiece storyline and characters
I can imagine it been amazing with today's technology
This is fantastic work. Thank you very much!
I always thought once you reach the undying lands you're immortal
So Frodo and Sam died at the end?
I thought the same - that at least the ringbearers were immortal even after the ring passed. I don't know where I got that idea though.
I assume they didnt die. Its literally called the undying lands
I’d imagine they’d live better and longer, but perhaps the title of Undying Lands may refer to the lands themselves not fading?
The elves’ gift were immortality, their fates were bound to that world, but men’s gift was death, as they could die and move on- both would envy the other. Dwarves weren’t ever supposed to exist, and I’m not sure what happens to the other races.
Yea I thought that the curse / price of putting on the one ring was to be changed forever, never able to die, just to go on and on, even after it was destroyed. I thought that Bilbo, Frodo and later Sam all went to Valinor so that there they could live on, not in pain, but with their friends in a land where death doesn't exist.
I also thought that was why no mortals were supposed to go to Valinor, because to walk there would change them and rob from them the gift of death and that the army from Numenor that landed their was still alive and buried.
That's just my take, I'm sure it's flawed, but I like it :)
Going to the Undying lands makes you immortal. Elrond and Arwen’s parting was described as so sad because it would last forever. They wouldn’t see each other again. Valinor isn’t heaven, it’s a physical paradise. The dead go to “the halls of their fathers,” kind of a Valhalla type place or places (each race/nation, like our Earth) imagines its own version of heaven, how intermingled the afterlife is, well, that’s something I’d love to ask Tolkien. The reason Arwen and Luthien’s tales are so tragic is that death is eternal separation from other elves. What form/age Frodo, Bilbo, Sam, & Gimli exist in once they get to Undying lands is another thing I’d love to ask Tolkien. Given that it is the residence of, well, God, I think they are given eternal life AND eternal youth (if they choose). The undying lands are a place where Frodo can be healed and live free of pain. I have to think that means the aches and pains of age are reversed for Bilbo, Sam, Gimli, and and any other non-elves/higher beings (like Radagast, Gandalf, etc) that were allowed into undying lands. Plus, shadowfax gets eternal life too.
You have helped me understand and learn so much more with this beautiful story this gorgeous world . Thank you so so much for everything. Do you have a video about Halidir if not can please do one explaining his character he is one of my favorite elf's pretty please. Thank you so much for the work you do....
Keep up the amazing work!!!
I wish this video existed 2 days ago I literally looked each character up 2 days ago and it was kind of tiresome process, thank u for putting this video together to make it more simple.
Wondering if you would ever do a study on the dead marshes? Might be an interesting listen.
Wow..beautiful but emotional. Tearful but wonderful. How 1 man created ALL of this..truly the best Author that ever lived. A true genius. To create something sooo amazing, and..most importantly..so believable. You could imagine such a world existing. A true Mastermind of literature and and true Master. Thank you and god bless you.