Why Society Hates Creative People (And What To Do About It)
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
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Why do companies hate creativity? They might say they value innovative or divergent thinking, but realistically, most businesses rely on repeatable, formulaic results. Society also places an emphasis on convenience over craftsmanship. As if it wasn't hard enough, creatives, designers, and artists are their own worst enemy. So what can be done? Design and creative professionals are some of the most celebrated and underappreciated people, all at the same time. Our life would be far more boring without creative masterpieces, but society totally takes our contribution for granted. Why is that? On another note, why does society fear creative people so much? This video hopes to uncover some of these deeper questions.
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00:00-01:17 Intro
01:18-04:08 Convenience Over Craftsmanship
04:09-05:01 Scale Over Quality
05:02-07:49 New=Bad
07:50-09:44 Creative Or Cautious. Pick ONE.
09:45-10:49 The Bottom Line Is All That Matters
10:50-13:13 Success Destroys Creativity
13:14-14:14 Milanote
14:15-16:21 Poor Business Skills
16:22-16:54 Creatives Are Jerks
16:55-18:19 We Don't Fit In
18:20-19:52 Prince Didn't Fit In
19:53-20:53 Lack Of Talent
20:54-21:43 Creativity Is EXHAUSTING
21:44-26:23 What Should I DO!?
All content directed and written by John Mauriello. John Mauriello has been working professionally as an industrial designer since 2010. He is an Adjunct Professor of industrial design at California College of the Arts.
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Y u change the thumbnail
I sit through the credits of every film I see, and read as much of it as I can.
This Video is Crazy good. Wow 😳. Ist a Long time ago i saw a Video that helpes me more than this to understand the Design Industrie. My works are to Advanced, i got put down by chiefdesigners. And i dont know why. When my work is really good i got bad Feedback. And when its actually shit i get good feedback. I dont understand it by now. It all make sence.
@@BastianSteffens start your own thing or part time your own thing as a Side hustle mate
As a professional video editor, my first big lesson was "When clients tell me to use my creativity, what they really mean is for me to read their minds." Every time I really used my creativity, my clients demand to change everything I added. So, the way I approach those clients is by doing just what they tell me, and then, according to their style, I add small details that I believe will fit well in their video. It works 99% of the time and get way less revisions that way
I also edit a lot of video for this channel. It's one of the most criminally under-rated things in the video production pipeline. Like I say in the vid, if you want to express yourself creatively, it's very rare that you'll find a client who is willing to do it. You have to do it on your own.
@@Design.Theory it's totally true. That's why I'm creating a youtube channel soon to do so. Also, it's very good as a portfolio
Very smart move here, buddy
Those clients... what a convoluted way to simply say "I don't know". They dunno what they want so they trouble you with all that... smh
I was a professional cake decorator for years and had this exact problem with cakes. Sorry but no, I will not do what I think is pretty because y’all never like it, even when it’s a masterpiece 😂.
I knew an artist in the late 90's named Josh Loring. He would sit, barely speaking, all day in the cyber-cafe doing 11x 17 Escher meets Edward Gorey black pen surreal montages. His black pen was iridescent purple from some angles and you could only then make out the lines of his strokes. One day I saw that within the pure black of a woman's dress there was a whole scene drawn that could only be seen when the ink reflected iridescence. Then I looked at the other black spaces and saw they were the same. When I remarked on this, he meekly replied "You're the first one who ever noticed."
What a great story. I'm not sure if it's worse to be ignored or maligned.
That’s an amazing skill of perspective in and of itself, the fact that you even notice this depth of his craft probably made his day! I wish all viewers were more intricately focused on finding out about their artist’s craft rather than getting hyped about something and mindlessly consuming it.
@@Design.Theory definitely maligned! I wish I would of been ignored
@@Design.Theory Frankly, I would take infamy over obscurity any day.
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"Failure is a huge part of creativity"
Then my life is a piece of art at this point now.
Underrated comment. 😄
Despair is a sin. Buck up. Life is beautiful.
@@GaijinTVsins were made up by priests to get people to come to church. They don’t exist in reality. I care not.
Pfft
@@GaijinTV
Nah it isn't lol
"Never forget that your work matters, even if it matters only to you"
This is so powerful. Made me tear up honestly.
I might just add it to my UA-cam bio next to my current slogan: Be your own person!
😃
I literally just texted myself this last night. Whoa
And it's just as true for a janitor as it is for an artist and don't fuxxing forget it.
... we used to know this. We used to take pride in our work no matter how little we were paid or how little others valued it. But now the west is failing since boomers taught millennials the value of me me me and gen X and Z are waiting for Alpha's narcissism to Nero this shit up in flames.
Wrong. Nothing matters.
"Your work matters even if it's just for you" is such an inspiring quote. Create even if you're the only viewer. Create.
Thanks so much, I appreciate the kind words :)
Amen! I feel this. Cause of music Copyrights I can't make a music video for a song I like so I tried making it into a parody. I have taken a pause from it, but every once in a while I think about it, and I do want to complete it even if I'm the only one who sees it and knows what it was based on.
@@Design.TheoryI see myself becoming a gaming content creator
It reminds me of an interview of the swiss artist François Monthoux, who made a clay citadel in the wild out of the clay of a nearby river and he said :
''Obviously, I know it will disappear in a few weeks, everything is meant to, and it's not a reason to consider it worthless. Of course it saddens me to say that this city I built with my bare hands will go back to the river, but the fact that it existed gives it so much value''
There were actually many very interesting quotes across the entire video where I paused and thought, I wish I could remember this tomorrow.
When I was around ten years old, I was in the cinema with my dad, and he stayed to read the ending credits and said that he finds it the respectful thing to do, to honour the efforts of all the people who contributed. I have done the same ever since
Not like that's gonna change anything.
@@testboga5991 It does. It changes you. Makes you more mindful and aware.
@@testboga5991 I definitely read all of them and I wait to see who did what specifically if I liked something about the movie, then I look for any other work they've done. I've seen actors become directos and It makes me so happy
That’s wholesome your dad sounds wise
@@glitterdragon9197 Yeah, I think he is a bit :) One other thing I remember is him saying probably half a dozen times over the course of my childhood: "You want to be treated with respect, so you treat the people around you the same way. Simple as that." It really stuck with me, first subconsciously, now consciously. One day I'll tell my kids the same
This really hits home with me. I can take the being ignored part. The part I struggle with is actually being ridiculed for caring. Being told that I have "too much time on my hands" when I create something new that took a long, long time.
I’ve had people say “you should get out more” after seeing something that I’d worked on in my spare time for several weeks. Though still more others said it was amazing, what had those mockers meant? Going out getting so drunk they couldn’t remember the embarrassing things they’d said and done? I smiled and ignored them (and have ignored such advice ever since). “To thine own self be true” and if getting drunk is your talent, do it by all means, but if it’s creating: create!
Argh, I fucking hate that sentence so much. I heard similar shits like "You care too much" or "Don't be too serious, it's just entertainment" all the time browsing Chinese websites when I voice my opinions on creative works sometimes. And they wonder why true creatives are lacking in their own country.
My goodness, yes. Truth.
Whoever told you that wanred to feel better about him/herself bc felt horrible at how they could never do nearly half of your work
People are often petty jealous little insects who despize everything they dont have,but would like to have (without work of course)
Our best bet is to find like minded creative individuals who admire you for your creativity because you add to their own work.
"Most people want you to be a good little worker bee for the system and creatives don't fit into the system." So true.
I stole that line from David Carradine in Kill Bill 2 (the way he said it was a bit different but the same idea of worker bee vs killer bee is there).
@@Design.Theory how do you approach the issue of Galileo gambit in this respect? Most great designers were ridiculed, but not every ridiculed designer became great. There is massive survivorship bias, you're an example of it. Any ideas on how to be hopeful but not naive either?
@Guitarzen and there’s plenty of intelligent people who walk the single file line too.
@@WinnieBruiser ones without dignity integrity and money hungry. Different levels of intelligence and one’s soul. Most are selfish and to weak and scared to stand out or do what they want.
Everyone who doesn't function as a cogwheel in an often evil machine is at risk to irritate and annoy.
In my country, people love when somebody successful fails. Or when covid hit and many people in the entertainment industry lost their jobs, I read a lot of comments on different social media platforms about how people are laughing at us, because now we will learn what a real job is, for example manual labor. My mind was absolutely blown away by the brutal amount of hostility and the fact, a lot of people think that working in the entertainment industry, or being an artist, creative person is like sitting, swinging your legs, while money falls into your lap... Or that we never had a 9 to 5 job, or that we never did anything that requires physical strength. And the fact that in their opinion "real job" can only be something where you are sweating out in the field is just clearly stupid.
I find it funny when people hold a 9 to 5 job in such a high regard in order to crap on creative work. I mean in reality it's probably the opposite, 9 to 5 office job is so easy while the creative work hours is like what, 8 to 12 am?
Or that some manual labor is easy as in it's kinda tiring but simple task you can turn your brain off...
I mean what if they are wrong and what they think is a "real job" that they glorify so much is actually the easier one?
what country are you in btw? i was wondering if its the same as mine
@@shroomey6686 I'm from Hungary. 😒
@@valtiel9 oh im from indonesia. it may not be as discriminatory towards artists as you described but i once read a fictional short story of a novelist being accused of using witch doctors for being rich and never going out of the home, so that just came across my mind.
your exactly right thanks
Being a creative is both really rewarding and extremely exhausting in this world
Give you heart to the world on a silver plate.
And some who claim to be more creative than the creative they complain are uncreative
Are just as if not more so.
Yeah, amazing artists often stay unknown and their works don't get appreciated enough. My piano professor is one of the greatest musicians I have ever seen. She is an amazing composer; she wrote magical music for plays and orchestras. She wrote a few piano concertos she performed herself. That person is also certainly a world class pianist. At one point she had all the 32 Beethoven sonatas memorized (we don't talk about the additional 3 Beethoven wrote when he was 13). You could ask her to play a movement of any of those sonatas and she would play it perfectly with amazing technique, tone, style and articulation. I heard her perform the 4th and 5th Scriabin sonatas and his B minor Fantasy. It was among the best performances of those pieces I have ever heard. Yet her name didn't really spread far and her works are really underappreciated. It was probably her own choice, as she is a really introverted and shy person who doesn't like being in the spotlight. One time she mentioned, that she hated performing in front of big crowds, as the nerves would often get to her.
Talent does not equal marketing
@@TeppuTeppu I've talked to her about it. She is more than happy just teaching at that music uni and absolutely despises recording pieces, especially longer ones. Her position also doesn't leave her a lot of free time for other artistic endeavours; she teaches 25 piano students weekly at the moment and does many other things there.
Being a lesser known or nobody has its benefits for sure.
Never be afraid to shun society to do what you want. Society is not your friend. It's not gonna care whether you succeed or fail. The people who make up society can't even think for themselves, they just follow the narrative. So why would you ever let society make a decision for you?
@@1607Adi_Manz I'm sorry, but society has failed me (and many others out there) from day 1. It would only make sense for people like me to give our stupid society the middle finger.
@@1607Adi_Manz Which society? The one where you have a chance of being shot crossing the street? The one where your entire family is impoverished and starving because they live under an authoritarian rule? Or did you mean the one where everything is sunshine and rainbows?
@@lovelydolltime8006 Don't apologize.
well said
@@1607Adi_Manz sorry but society wanted me dead since birth (literally)
I think the biggest issue, that wasn't mentioned, is time. If you're a talented creative with business focus, but you have to pay your ever increasing rent, then you're going to have to get money from somewhere. Enid Blyton wrote over 600 childrens books - you're not going to be doing that if you don't have a ton of free time. Nobody pays you to write a book, or a symphony, or code software, and there might be a paycheck at the end of it, but while you're making it, and it could take years, you're not getting a penny. So, society actively works against the creative process.
I second that, but I think it got kiiinda scratched/touched when he mentioned how making "safe" work
saps out creativity. I was doing hundreds of sketches each month, multiple WIPs and some finished stuff
too. However, calculating that even if all I did was this + sleep and minimum of chores, I couldn't pay rent
(what about buying clothes, food etc.). And I kept trying to get a job as an illustrator with no success
(I experienced that job offers or contests preferred simplistic style, while I love to put lots of details),
so by the time I could do a big step in my life and start living independently, I decided to drop pursuit
in getting paid for my passion and focus on chores, putting my passion aside(as a hobby at least), because if I cannot think
over 2h in peace about a character design and do some research for creature designs, look for inspiration
for color palette or pose, then I just won't do it.
It won't have that charm. My family and bf still wonder why I don't draw anymore. For them I magically
pop out drawings and ideas for characters and creature designs.
I think what I wrote is awkward, but I tried to mark how well I understand your comment in a way.
@@user-mm8vw1ow1x unfortunately that's closer to the truth than majority of US society can understand ,the masses bought the hype and are Clueless to the worker slave reality ,😔😔
True, but nobody owes me that.
@@davidlafleche1142 We owe it to the world; to encourage the creativity of our unique individuals. For the benefit of all humanity.
@@martakeczek6476 Yeah, those are some good insights.
being misunderstood is soul crushing. its the closed ive felt to being clinicly insane even if ideas are seen in a good light
Finding people that DO understand you is the most awesome thing, though, being a misunderstood soul. 🙂
real
i used to struggle with this too. Looking back, all the assumptions about me are damn hilarious. So now I've stopped correcting people and leave them to their own conclusions. It's so amusing when I turn up doing the unexpected. The look on their faces.
I remember at school how I was always drawing things and people would ask "where did you copy it from" and when I said that it was from my head people would just ignore it, both the other kids and teachers. They wanted people to learn and copy but not create or transform.
It made me not want to invest my time in improving my talent at all because people would either not be interested or like it but not be able to give any feedback as to why which left me without any idea of how they saw it.
Shoutout to our guy for getting slapped just to prove a point
Actually I got slapped six times and then we picked the best take.
@@Design.Theory
😂
Don't worry, he's into it.
The things people do for their art...
@@WraithWriter plenty would have paid good money.
One thing I've always noticed is that although people make fun or look down on individuals who choose creative professions, a huge chunk of the leisure time they have is spent consuming things made by creatives: movies, music, games, books... So there's this funny paradox going where the people who make things enjoyed by everybody are also kind of shunned and not treated seriously.
Lol the Paradox works the other way around as well when people in corporate culture end up burned out and give up on a formal careers, white collars and meetings. Instead deciding to turn toward their passions, casuals and minimalist life.
People just simply don’t make the connection somehow between creatives and all the stuff they consume on - not just a daily basis but a second by second basis. If something was man made then you can be sure the creative process was behind it. Even things like pens, curtains, furniture, clothes, tools, screens, carpet… I’m just naming things around me and I can go on forever. People don’t ever stop to think about that.
so true. i think the same. everything people consume was made by creatives yet we're seen as some kind of layabouts. it's fkn weird.
i reckon it's to do with the majority of people following the rules, the 9-5 office jobs or just following the instructions of society, so they can't understand why the rebels are creating something new. but it'll be the next thing they'll enjoy, only after we pushed past they're disdain of a process they can't understand.
can't blame them though. just keep creating :)
Omg i think the same as you, it makes me mad
Kind of reminds me of that old "Jock VS Nerd" stereotype. Always boggled my mind how they could make fun of someone just for being smart, when people like that are the sole reason they have things they mindlessly consume in their leisure time like TV and video games. But then again, as someone else in a different comment pointed out, it's not that society hates creative people, they hate people they perceive as a threat, be it a threat to their own intelligence or creativity.
Society hates us because of jealousy and "Ressentiment. "....
They see how much fun we have doing our work and how much fun they have consuming it.... and believe that our work is all play.
It isn't.... it just takes an immense amount of passion to pursue the arts.... and so it appears as play...
It's still work!
I just graduated from college with a graphic design degree and realized it’s not what I want to do. When I started making UA-cam videos I felt a spark. I realized I’m passionate for UA-cam and I will never stop trying. I don’t want a company or clients limiting me. I will create videos that I enjoy making and that fall in line with my audience, and I’m excited to keep working on perfecting my craft as a video creator. I don’t call myself a “content creator” because I don’t just create content. I want each and every video to be an experience and an outlet for creativity!
Good for you! It's been a fair few years since I graduated in graphic design and worked as a designer for many years, now I'm swapping over to art (always been able to draw well) for the same reason. 😉😉✌✌
I know I’m late to the video, but I want to say this.
Once, for a competition in school, I drew a drawing for it so my class could win. The thing is, the people in my class were grossed out by the art.
Even once I finished it, people were trying to steal credit for it, and once I got mad they told me to calm down because “It’s just a joke”. I almost cried. Not to mention these kids kept making fun of me because I refuse to draw them for free, yet I spent 10 hours drawing this for class.
It wasn’t even when I finished the project that they enjoyed it. People can be horrible just because they don’t understand.
❤❤❤
Why didn’t you eliminate them?
What was the art? A nude model?
that’s why you don‘t do shit for school or work if you don’t have to
I am so sorry
A non-understanding of creativity is also why so many people think AI will inevitably replace artists and performers. We are seen as highly replacable even though we absolutely aren't - just because people don't understand what goes into what we make
depression and mental instability?
@@szymonbaranowski8184 Those are definitely the biggest contributors 🤣
Thanks for saying the truth you rule!
The only time I’ve seen people acknowledge artists and not shame them is bc of this whole ai thing. Why can’t ai replace us? You’re saying my job as a graphic designer who just puts those “useless” little posters on the wall and vinyl on the window actually do bring the building to life and is important? Crazy.
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My main creative advice, like you, is "do it a lot". Every since 2011, I have been writing 1000 words a day on my blog. In doing so, I have honed my craft immensely. I am not the kind of person who can learn creativity from books or courses. I learn by doing. I also tell young people, "if you want to be an artist, do your art". Don't sit around jawing about the great art you will do "some day" -it's far too easy to become content with that and never actually produce anything. The good news is that as long as you are making your art, you're an artist. That is literally the only qualification. It doesn't have to be spectacular. It doesn't have to be successful. You don't even have to show it to anyone else. All you have to do is CREATE.
You have to cultivate a strong sense of self-esteem as an artist. Have the ability to speak clearly and articulate your ideas in a swift poetic manner. Let acceptance,money and support be a 2nd or 3rd order consequence not the 1st! A sense of humor helps & most people ridicule cause they want to judge not understand you. Sending my love to all you wonderful people 🖤
Society doesn't hate creative people. People hate everything they perceive as a threat. Things people don't understand are often perceived as a threat. This has nothing to do with creativity. You can create nothing and still be hated. You can create art and be absolutely adored.
Society is A$$
@@derekmaullo2865 society is a mirror) depending on what you are and how you act it would react.
@@olgakuranova7986 Society is a$$
Beautifully said mate
Society is a bag of milk drinking another bag of milk. So there...
I came up with something I call the Creator/fan duality: Be your own biggest fan. Make art to please yourself above all others, only aim to impress yourself. That way you’ll never feel unappreciated
Bang on, little secret I picked up along the way too. Other benefits are no burn out, and hate comments have 0 impact. How can you get triggered when it's something you've loved making regardless of if people like/see it or not 👌
Mega underrated comment
I personally follow this philosophy which is almost completely why I continue to draw. The desire to want to keep impressing myself is greater than my desire to impress others, largely since relying on people is unreliable in this regard; everyone is impressed in different ways and by different things. But also because whenever I do impress myself, like looking back at my past works and seeing how far I've improved, the gratification is immense.
Drawing largely for myself also has helped protected me from the recent controversial advancements in AI-generated imagery tech. While I recognize that this new tech has negatively affected a lot of artists, professional and amateur alike, I haven't personally be affected by it since it's existence changes nothing in regards to my motivation to create. I don't create art for social media (I rarely share it with others too) and I don't rely on creating art to make a living.
💯👍 yes
Greedy. Do that anyway.
As an extremely creative person, I have experienced extreme social coldness for my creative ideas. When I make origional ideas people look at me weird. For example, I've made 2D animations with two cute characters riding on sand dunes with a unique hand maneuvered parasail and although other artists liked it, general society was very cold to it. I still ask myself til this day, why did it feel like a very cold response? Did they not know what to make of it? It was a very cool idea. I was looking for good feedback, but everyone who wasn't an artist didn't seem to see it the same way. Was it the fox-looking characters with steam-punk-ish clothes? I still think about it til today.
Look at Picasso (or so many other creators), he was very creative, but it was his persistence and hard work that earned him success. Hard work (being productive) is the aspect of success that is a bit under lit in this video.
Yeah me too even at 11 (still i am lol) i have intense creativity but i cant exptess them only online (risky for me) that got rapidly. Bye
Oh, I love the image that conjures up for me! I'm sort of picturing a screenshot out of Journey. Also I'm obsessed with Steampunk, wish I could see that picture!!
I can definitely relate to that unexpected shock of a cold reaction, though. It's always hard to predict what will 'catch on', what people will respond to, and it's sort of not worth deliberating on. Everyones advice about appreciating the inherent value of what you made is very real, as well as finding those people who get excited by the same things and appreciate creativity.
That sounds really cool I wish people would show stuff like that to me instead of clickbsit memes
damn, now i want to see that animation
No other person that looks like young Gru has ever explained the difficulties of being an artist that well before. Thanks man, you're actually spot on. Good luck with the next villain invention, I bet you'll nail the design.
Every elementary school should teach all this so people are so aware of this considering how much everybody values design, products, movies, music etc. but school does everything to crush them and not even give them proper courses prior to college at which point most people are unable to get in there with no training- filtration by lack of choice in the first place
Better not, we would have greater competition if people understood that they have power, hah. And at this point - fck them all. Let's create!
Unfortunately, art college isn't much help either, as most of the teachers are far behind compared to what the general public knows about art.
@@Mrhellslayerz In January-April 1988, I went to the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, one of the pre-eminent art schools in America. At least, that was what I'd heard.
When I got there, I got an education, all right. On Day Two of Photography Class (my major), the "teacher", instructing the class in film development, said that increased agitation during development made negatives thinner (less developed; appears the same as underexposure), and vice versa. The opposite is true; as anyone who's ever read Page 1 of any chemistry book knows, increased action causes increased reaction. There was one other guy in class who was as experienced as I was; we exchanged shocked looks across the room. Then the teacher said to go ahead and develop our film, and fucked off, not only out of the classroom, but the lab, as well. The other students started to get up, so the other experienced guy and I said to wait. There were blackboards on opposite sides of the room, so we each took one and erased everthing the teacher had written on them. I said "Everything she just told you is guaranteed to ruin your film. We've been doing this for years, here's how it really works." When I filled my board with drawings and writing, the other guy filled his board. I asked if everyone understood, and they all said Yes. Everyone's film turned out perfect. It set the tone for the next six weeks, til one day we were writing stuff on the boards and I turned to him and said "Do you realize we're PAYING $800 to teach this class?" I decided that was my last Photography Class.
Once, the "teacher" presented a slide show of famous photographs from across the whole history of photography. One was Edward Steichen's legendary 1902 portrait of J. P. Morgan, where a reflection of light on the chair arm on Morgan's right looks like he's holding a knife. She actually said that Morgan had a knife and, having become irritated with Steichen's directions and the laboriousness of the session, intended to stab Steichen with it, but Steichen "snapped the picture" and escaped just in time. I recognized this as typical communist bullshit (you know, the evil rich guy threatening the broke creative guy), and when everyone else went to the lab, I told her the truth about the photo, ending with "And there's no way he 'snapped the picture' with an 11x14 camera with an ASA 10 plate in it under a skylight. That exposure would've been at least 30 seconds, and if Morgan had done anything but sit perfectly still, he wouldn't've registered on the plate." She said nothing, just got visibly more enraged every second, then she fucked off without a word. I thought SHE was gonna stab me.
Oh, and here's another thing that shocks even non-photographers to this day. I actually met painting, drawing, and sculpture professors, who didn't think photography was a real art form. Not in my time machine in 1870, either. In the SCHOOL OF THE ART INSTITUTE OF CHICAGO. In Nineteen Eighty-Eight. Are you still upright? Yeah? Well, dig this: I also met half a dozen photographers there who THOUGHT THE SAME THING. Two were even graduate students, and one was a goddam TEACHER. When I said to them "That's weird, I thought Alfred Stieglitz settled that at the Armory Show in New York in 1913, after dedicating his whole career to the proposition for 20 years, much to his personal and professional detriment", they laughed it off. The teacher even said, get this, "Well, he didn't know what he was talking about." I replied, "HE is why you're TEACHING THIS IN AN ART SCHOOL, YOU IDIOT!!!!"
I quit the last of my five classes in April, used my ID to get in the lab in May and use up my last box of paper, and never went back. During this time, I encountered my former classmates in the lab, all of whom thanked me for my help. One girl even said "You showed me that I shouldn't believe everything someone says just because she's the teacher." "Then you've learned something infinitely more important than photography. I wish you well in your travels."
@@emilyadams3228 you've got to be kidding
@@RandomPerson-hd6wr It's all true. You can't make shit like that up.
One point that you didn’t mention: in my 50 years experience as a musician, composer and now also a filmmaker, the client always wants to have something to complain about so it is a good idea when you offer your product to overdo it a little bit so if you’re lucky, the client will say “oh I don’t like that” “can you remove that, and that… Then at the end you both will be happy because you have gotten the original version that you wanted and the client had the satisfaction of removing something from the work, so he also feels like he contributed to the work. This has often worked for me, especially when dealing with big record companies that don’t really know what they’re talking about. They just want to feel important.
This is brilliant and I can relate 😅
Lol may not work all the time, I have met clients who actually see through the reverse psychology and have outright rejected requiring to redo the entire concept despite trying to convince them to reconsider.
But ya it did work out on a couple of occasions so long as I don't make it a formula for success. The clients are well exposed to other ideas and always compare with something else they saw elsewhere.
There's a story in webdesign where a dude after receiving many minor complaints made a "perfect" page and then put an image of a duck in the corner. The customer said it's perfect but remove the duck.
As someone studying a business related course… yeah, always „overprice“ your work a bit when negotiations are going to be involved. Leave yourself some room for negotiating. Same goes for designing I assume.
brilliant
As a creative person that stands out always, stay yourself. The older you become, the easier it gets. And keep being the creative and so called weird enough and you’ll even be financially rewarded for it. Trust me, don’t you ever change your personality for someone else, it’s very depressing.
As an artist who’s taken multiple art classes and is never respected. Yes I agree 100% with this. People don’t wanna see you be creative. People wanna see you follow their rules. People don’t wanna see something that looks good, they wanna see something looks like it matches a description.
Art is not about beauty or expression. Art is about doing what someone else wants.
it's not art tho, it's craft
Art school sucked the creativity out of me. By the end I produced bland works to please my professors and get my A's and diploma. I stopped painting for decades. Only now in my retirement am I actively working on breaking down that mental block to paint again.
What f'king nightmare.
There's a reason most of my creative pursuits are self-taught
Ive had this too. Only when i stopped artschool and rested for a bit i started drawing again.
How sad...I have known people who have gone through this same creative blockage, which is a deep rooted emotional blockage. Hope you find the joy of doing art again.
Me too. Went for my MFA, cost a small fortune...16 years later, I'm just now feeling it again....
As a millennial in my late thirties, I think that being creative is a high-risk medium-reward strategy. You pour dedication and passion into your craft and sacrifice friends, experiences, and career opportunities and people will harass you relentlessly for it. But you also can't choose to NOT be creative. You are like a tree that must bear fruits. There is no escape from yourself.
Yeah it's a needed outlet.
Some escape with alcohol 🎉
@@Roman-nj6jc not worth the liver damage
@@RealBullbearha ha ha ha, you think you’re only getting away with liver damage. Cute.
SO DAMN TRUE
It sucks!😔
People are surrounded by Art and Design , Concerts and Films in their everyday life’s and still don’t recognize the creators for their value. They see it as a self entitlement. The day we remove everything from them, they will probably realize how spoiled they are !
There is probably nothing like creativity that can make the artist totally unhappy but also totally happy and purposeful.
Omg you hit the nail on the head. The thing about new designs is that you have to be willing to endure ridicule/have everyone hate you for months or years. This is unbearable for most unless you have ironclad vision. Excellent video
Exactly
Well said
@@Design.Theory you didn't really say anything new or ground breaking. It's a bunch of ideas regurgitated from other people assembled into an obnoxious rant. Try being more creative next time.
@@kayakMike1000 I mean, you're right, but why the hate? There's like a million people who need to hear this. Deja de ser tan infeliz.
@@umrasangus I am sorry you feel pointing out objective facts is hateful. I was hoping to express constructive criticism for next time. I have a brain condition that causes me to say inappropriate things, but this is not an excuse. I apologize and hope to learn more compassion.
My grandfather and uncle were artists and musicians. Extremely talented. They couldn't find employment where they could utilize their talent and make enough money to feed their family. So one was an electrician and the other a plumber. Nothing wrong with those jobs, they are skillful professions, but these men were artists. Maybe they'd been a little luckier today. They've could have sold their art online or used UA-cam to advertise their band? Anyway after all these decades I still have my uncle's paintings hanging on the wall. They bring me such pride, joy and inspiration.
Thanks for the story. Sad that we live in a world where artists can't make a living just being artists.
I'm not an industry expert, but I suspect that they might not be more successful today, unfortunately. Yes they could have put music on youtube, but there's millions of skilled artists on youtube and it's super hard to stand out, unless you're a super good musician and also say a beautiful or very handsome young person.
I get that there's stories of "random person X put out music on youtube and then they made a career out of it" but you don't hear about the millions of people who put music on youtube and then couldn't turn that into a career.
@@lightworker2956 thank you for acknowledging my comment. You are so sweet! I hope you have a wonderful day.
With great movie also come great reality.
Even if you think that your grandfather and uncle were extremely talented, remember it is just you OPINION. Art is subjective, and when it comes to music you are not only judged by you songs, but your aesthetics aka marketability. Marketability is a factor when it comes to making a living from music.
@@excalibro8365 you don't know what the eff you're talking about. It wasn't just my opinion, but the opinions of many others. They were well-known in the south. As far as being subjective, they were a band of a popular genre of music at the time. Talent trumps aesthetics. My uncle also was a painter and had received some nice offers but it required him to move away and he didn't want to. You need to find something constructive to do with all this extra time you have other than insulting people's family heritage.
I work as a writer and I am usually worried about it all. Being creative often turns into a nightmare when you have people who make fun of your writing.
It's a soul-crushing event. for sure. I had to learn for myself that some will like my work and some will hate it. I work and listen to the internal voice that guides me. I know my work has value, even if some don't.
As a graphic designer, I cliked this video by curiosity and now I'm crying, "You can't control anything about how your work is perceived, but you can control the amount of work that you create." what a powerful sentence
Last week while waiting with a relative at a Doctors appointment, I had the pleasure to chat with a retired School Teacher. The Teacher asked me what I do, and I responded - I am an Industrial Designer; She didn't know what an Industrial Design is or does haha. She had the basic assumption that many do have- that products are just slapped together at a factory and not knowing that pretty much every single product she uses was actually designed by someone or a team of people. I hope after our brief meeting that she did a net search to learn more about Product/Industrial Designers and Designers in general.
This is very true, every time I tell someone out of the design industry, they are blown away by how even bottle caps need someone to design and test them.
Man this is really disappointing.
Now days they call UX UI designers product designers
Industrial designers design factories. Duh. ;)
@@Design.Theory hehehe
Industrial design is cornerstone of modern life. The sheeple are simply sleeping 🙄
This is why I'm afraid of adulthood
I don't focus and I don't have any traits good for the typical 9-5 so I figured I'd fail get fired and end up on the street and it absolutely killed me.also,people see creativity as this switch you can turn on and off but it's not,it's a extremely chaotic massive screaming mass of ideas,colors and words plus having ideas but not being able to get them on paper can feel like someone is reaving your guts out, I loved my fifth grade art class for this reason, once I awhile you'd get an assignment but most of the time you were free to explore and look at your options (rant over)(thanks for coming to my Ted talk)
I'm gonna subscribe to you guys simply because your comment also matches me in description!
It is highly likely that you will be shoved into a box of robotic repetitive task to make dollars. My escape has been to decouple my needs from dollars. Need less. Get down to just the essentials to live then you have more time to spend on things that bring contentment. I do hope you find a way to earn dollars at a task that brings contentment but it’s not that common today.
@@elsagrace3893 thanks for the info
@@elsagrace3893 its kind of a joke in my family that I'll be sitting in front of a computer and drawing rocks for the rest of my life spreading my creativity really freaking thin
And sometimes, you kind of know what you want to create, yet don't know how to create. For me, that would be drawing. As for my animations, well, I guess I'm just lazy in that sense...And hell, right now, I'm kind of stump on how I should remake one of my first songs.
Because creativity is a blessing that already sets you a step ahead of others. Being creative doesn't mean drawing pretty pictures, but having the ability to see objects and situations already finished before they even began, and those without it do recognize it and diss creatives out of spite and envy.
That remainds me on how awful my school was treating me in primary school. I stood out a lot. From stupid tree that I did with orange leaves while others drew it with green to just drawing and in general. I was told to give it up by my teacher because I wont get anywhere in life. My mum was called to school hearing techers telling her to put me in special school because im "going way out of norms". Im glad I didnt give us tho. I get paid fot what I love and I am keep improving :]]
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thats just horrible! sometimes i just hate teachers.
@@FuzzyTheAnimator ''These ones who can work - works.These ones who cannot work - teach.These ones who cannot teach...teaching teachers,, Mark Twain
Ya, my primary school teachers did was patronise me
Yes. Over the years I have developed this view - Art runs the world. Exactly nothing would be made, built, invented without an artist involved. Art is everywhere all the time. This is one reason it is often over looked, diminished and cubby holed.
As John explained, it’s so massive people can’t see it. Great exciting video. As an artist and designer your video gave me a great feeling.
People are considered even by this modern day to be VERY cave-minded, they don’t wanna lose the very habitats of being in a cave all the time even when risk is the very nature of hunting and creations. We have severely forgotten the former and the other is still marginalized even to this day, and even THAT has the ability to give you food (farming), and you won’t even appreciate it coming to your campfire because you fear it might be poisonous, and this fear is what has really held everyone back, not just the die-hard habits.
In truth, it’s the risk-taking creative people that truly shines the most in our worlds, and even they have been forego for the sake of petty competition if it means selfish success saves the day.
When in reality, you’ll just send people straight off to the edge of a cliff with your maligned yet reassuring “teachings”, dooming your entire group while another person on a makeshift boat watch as you take a nosedive with the group to a shallow end.
That is how I view people, this type of analogy never gets old for me. Creation will ALWAYS triumph competition, but creation’s enemy will always be the enemy within and around.
@@aquilliusranger2137
Those are good points! Reminds me of something I read once or saw in a UA-cam video (though I can't remember where so might want to take my info/source with a grain of salt) where hunter-gatherer cultures have historically don't put hunters on a pedestal even when they come back with a hunt that would be considered successful in other cultures. They'd have some ceremonial thing where they say something along the lines of "you're no more special than anyone else in this tribe" or something along those lines.
@@Scarshadow666 I’m really interested in that video now, can you lmk if you find the video? 😊
Problem with todays "artists" they all bend to the cult of political correctness. Marxists, feminists, lgbtq... Its all a joke. They dont deserve the title artist. All they do is being mainstream lowlifes that want attention at any prize.📉
Yes. Art as in creativity and inovation.
I spent 3 years in college studying things that had nothing to do with creativity. I drew my best pieces and concepts during that time, I would just sit down whenever I wanted and my consciousness and my hand would connect and create magic. Now I’m studying fashion design and I’ve never felt so uncreative while also producing the most amount of creative work in a short amount of time. The first time I sat down to draw like I used to I cried because it came out so ugly, I already know how to be technical so anything that differs from that looks plain bad to me now. I’m rly worried about this but I know that my gift is still there and it’ll come back as soon as I get to rest.
Don’t give up. You’ll find your way. It just takes some time.
Maybe you took the wrong class wrong professor.
It's OK for something to looks bad. There's no need to always make something that looks professional, no need to always make something the way you "should". It really helps me tohust create stupid things in my free time :)
Because you are not a robot. There is a difference between hyper-productivity and being creative just for the sake of being creative.
I can relate so much, before I studied illustration I would draw all the time and actually have fun. But after I entered that school they made us work so much that after the first 6 months I had a burnout and after the beginning of the second year I had depression (it didn't help that the pandemic was beginning too so France was in lock down and I lived alone ._.). Everything that I made was ... well the teachers saw it as really bad and I did too at the start but they where actually pretty decent. After getting my bachelor I stopped drawing for a year and a few months and even now after 2 years it's difficult to take a pencil and just draw for fun. And of course i'm really scared to get a full time job now
i LOVE sitting through the credits on a good movie and reading all the names i can. its a nice way to transition out of the movie but also i like to think that they get a nice feeling when i read their name in my head
"We mindlessly scroll through instagram and other social media sites and see amazing acts of skill and talent without even giving them two seconds of thought"
In the spirit of this critique, I would like to pause and appreciate the image at 2:45. It is using hatching to create an illusion of depth, rather than the illusion of shadow. It's so strange how effective it is, but by god it works. This drawing is quite inspiring to me as a novice illustrator! I'm fascinated to see the basic techniques I'm learning used in such clever ways!
As a undergraduate design student it really shooked me how little my teachers cared about creativity and being different I thought I would actually get more creative in college but it turns out the more creative and different my work is the lesser the marks I get and it's happens again and again as if you are being punished for being different even though there's nothing wrong with your work and is completely according to the requirements. And it's really Hippocratical of my teachers they always talking about being creative encouraging to be different then at the same time literally discourage the student into doing the same thing over and over again
Hippocratical is the right word. First of all, teachers in art schools don’t want to cause any harm.
You also have to consider that anything the students come up with the teachers seen 1000 times so what the student thinks is creating is just ho-hum
That is so strange.
College isn't to help you get better at being you. College is to make sure you fit into their mold. Head down and conform to the mold. Get that stupid degree and them blossom into the creative being you know you truly are. Don't let them snuff out your inner light. Shine on, friend.
In college, they are trying to teach you the correct way to do the things they are teaching you; to give you the expertise you need to consider all the things your creative mind wouldn't otherwise consider. So yes, they want to see your creativity, but in the boundaries of what is their job to teach you, so that you can demonstrate that you understand the lessons they are there to demonstrate at a level that shows you really understand not just the basics of the lesson but that you are able to apply those lessons in the correct manner.
They aren't there to witness you doing something else. That's what your extracurricular activities and time are for. You are still free to be as creative as you like and they will appreciate your creativity when you apply it to the freeform aspects of what you are being taught; i.e the end-of-year or end-of-course projects where you apply all the things you've been learning in your course or select the aspects of the course you find relevant or how you apply what you learned in the course to the creative things you wanted to demonstrate
Yep. This is also why most of my friend quit art of are even quite resentful of people like me who continue on this path. Not every artist should be professional but we simply do NOT deserve how we are treated by society.
Not everyone who loves art likes professional art. Personality most of not all of what they call art today belongs in a toilet. We miss real art. Beautiful things born of the soul. One does not have to be professional to sell art. As a matter of fact it's better if you're not in this age.
Isn't this just late-stage capitalism being horrible to literally everyone whose output isn't immediately super profitable, or late-stage capitalism being horrible to someone who is passionate and thus exploitable? So yes it's horrible to creatives, but also to nurses, teachers, people who take care of the elderly or their own elderly parents, people who try to help animals, video game developers, etc.
Basically, if you're in a field where lots of people are passionate about their work, then people in that field get exploited by capitalism.
The title of the video says "Why Society Hates Creative People." Well, "society" isn't a conscious being. Society is just people, and most people inside late-stage capitalism don't actively hate creatives. We're just swamped with our own issues and so we don't really think about them in our daily lives. Similarly, companies aren't conscious beings either, but yeah, humans in companies who make decisions are often very callous towards creatives and interact with them on a "how can I get the most out of you for the least amount of money spent?" basis. But well, they treat everyone like that. Companies also dump toxic chemicals in rivers if legislation would allow that, or even sell toxic food if they'd get away with that.
Still, I can certainly empathize with "get out of a field where people exploit you." In my current job I'm a cog in a somewhat big company, and this work is not my passion at all. But the salary and perks are good and it's not super stressful or time-consuming, and it lets me spend time and energy on other things that matter to me. I've tried the "chase my passion in a hard-to-monetize field" and the "just do a normal job" thing and I prefer the latter.
@@lightworker2956 Communist and socialist societies are not exactly flowering gardens of creativity. In the 20th century, everything from cars to skyscrapers to popular music came from capitalist nations.
@@sanniepstein4835 yep, communism, capitalism, heck no ideology can help humanity as long as greed exists. All we can do is curb the want for more material things. Earth is finite and occupied by people with infinite wants. As long as people want infinite growth, humanity will always be fucked.
Communism is just the state doing the monopoly anyway, no difference if the state and the private company want the same thing, complete domination.
I mean, when you go into a house, almost everything has to be created by a human who designs the product
the lack of acknowledgment for the work we do speaks to the times we live in...i remember scouring through all the details of every album release when i was a kid, wanting to know where it was recorded, who engineered it, who played on it, who wrote the lyrics, who created the album art, etc- just completely immersed in the entirety of how it came to be...this recognition of everyone who contributed to artistic creation is lost on most people today (and yes- i sometimes even look at the credits of a film and marvel at how many people were involved in making it...)...
where's the last time you've aknowledged the work of a plumber, or a garbage man, or an electrician?
"The nail that stands up gets hammered down"
I've been hammerd down my entire life, but I'll never stop standing back up...
“Your work matters, even if it only matters to you” resonates with me. I’ve been making wooden puzzles for a living for a few years now and while I have basically no money to show for it, thankfully I have received some recognition from the other people in my marketplace and customers who complement things, but strangely enough I tend to find that my favorite creations are always the ones that get overlooked or misunderstood the most. I like them because they’re different and interesting and since I’m the only one who loves them, they’re that much more special to me. I do wish I could sell more of the unusual stuff so I could have an incentive to make more, but when I’m not making much money anyway I tend to prioritize the basic dogs, cats, dinosaurs, and farm animals that everyone seems to love.
Where do you sell them?
@@anima6035 The local farmers market, though I won't be continuing this year, I'm heading off to college later this year and need to find a decent-paying job in the meantime.
I would love to see your puzzles. I love wooden puzzles, they're fun and also just pretty to look at
@@Thinginator I was going to suggest Etsy, I sell on there, it's great for finding 'the right customer' as people from all over the world shop there and are often looking for unique things (and appreciate the value) - Its really good for selling specialised items, imo.
Good luck in your studies and wishing you all the best in the future! I'm sure you will do well 🌞❤️
@@SpookiDoki Agree!
THERE ARE A LOT OF CREATIVE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED TO HEAR THIS VIDEO! Many are already introverts and, depending what type of people are around them, can feel like something is wrong with themselves. Creative talent can exceed social maturity. If you are a young brilliant artist, you don't have to catch up with the world, just be brilliant and let the world catch up to you.
after pandemics majority is introvert
i think i'm gonna show this video to my students
I’m a creative young person, and this video was really inspiring!! 😃
anyone that caved intro the lockdowns and mask culture has destroyed their creativity.@@szymonbaranowski8184
It's an amazing video. The reason why I find it hard to be a photographer is that you have to get art out there all the time, but the thing is that creativity is NOT controllable AT ALL. Yet everybody wants "the most creative and not cautious". When you need to eat it's really difficult not to be cautious. Which is why many people are either super rich or extremely poor.
I did a project in the 70's that was met with violent rejection. I spent the next 25 years in industry with my idea being constantly rejected, sometimes accepted. That idea was accepted by a fringe minority who truly understood and appreciated the work. Twenty years later I have changed careers and find that my idea has become very mainstream, adopted by diverse demographics, with others being credited with the creative work. An important thing to keep in mind is that it takes time to convince others of the validity of your ideas. And that my idea was a success whether I am recognized or not!
When I was in high school I wanted to be a fashion designer and learn how to sew... my dad literally told me it was a waste of time because "you can't make money sewing." I suppressed my creative side for so many years because of that. I truly believe I was/am a creative at heart but when I was younger I didn't have encouragement so I shoved it down.
That's when you wanna tell him: "Yeah? What are You wearing you absolute shithead?"
I hope you can grow into the creative you’ve been quieting down within yourself !
@@saraakram5173 you have too make sacrifices too gain back your creativity.
@@saraakram5173 thank you so much! I've been carving out more time for it. And it truly brings me so much joy.
@@rniemeyer05 That is good to hear. Keep on doing that, and you will regain your creativity. Creativeness don’t die! Be always creative and you will realize that you are the designer of your own life!
Another detrimental part of the low barrier to entry is that everyone and their grandma has an opinion about design. Many clients feel that they know as well or even better than the designer they hired what constitutes a good product. But the truth is many times: They don’t, as they have not put in the time to become a designer.
Note that I’m not saying that input from other people is the devil’s work, rather that talk is cheap and easy. Putting together a thorough and thoughtful product is what’s hard.
I don't need to gargle feces 8 hours a day for 20 years like a sommelier to know what shit is.
I've seen home designers and decorators hired , was kind of appalled of why their needed within someone's home - commercial and clientel fine , but someone's personal space where someone can freely express themselves , likes , interests , family and friends - theoretically If I hired some one to decorate my apt it would just be useless junk surrounding me I can't use . What is plastic foam balls and bird feathers gonna do ? Or some generic painting . My husband went to house and commented this person really like African stuff do to the theme - they just had someone design the home for them and didn't really care about the theme . It's really off putting because I learn alot from a person from their home .
@@dakotamabry1645 it's pointless to even argue with this. but here i go. you can make your own meal. or you can enjoy a meal at a chef-driven restaurant. enjoy your cheez wiz.
@@xevenxaver4759 all i get from this is that you feel you can judge a fine wine better than a sommelier. well, you can't. the best you can do is tell whether you like it. you are unequipped to judge quality.
@@snowyhudson975 so I can go to a fine quinine restaurant that looks nice but bland tasting food or cook at home and have something better quality without the need for what looks good
Being creative as a hobby gives you freedom to fail.
Being creative as a job means you don't eat or pay rent sometimes, unless you get launched to such stardom that anything you make, even your failures, will automatically be praised as genius.
Normal people don't understand the creative process at all. I am a writer and illustrator. My friends still think I sit down and instantly make the thing I want; despite explaining it to them, over and over. When I tell them: "this is a process that took three weeks, or in the case of a novel - half a decade", they simply can't grasp why or how the process works. And I can't understand it either, I just know it does. Art to me is as close to the concept of lifelong-learning as it gets. You simply can't rest, until you figure out a way how to do things. I believe many people are inherently artistic, but they don't apply their skills to the right cause. You always have to overcome your fear of doing something useless, on the way to create great art.
Exactly! Writing and illustrating takes so much mental energy and time.
Yes, well said. My guess is most people are terrified of failures and the social reject of it, it's deep into the survival instinct too. Ask them if they want to be a successful artist, and it would be yes. But they don't want to craft bad drawings or bad writings (like any beginners in any fields), because it's a position of vulnerability, very often a part of yourself.For their point of view, it's giving the knife to people and asking them to cut you. Failures in general are still seen as a bad thing to not do and to avoid at all cost. And today, the emotionnal resiliency of people is really weak, it doesn't help. They prefer to play safe and not being the center of attention in a bad light.
Lot of people would like the social profile of the artists/singer/painter/etc, because there is some social statut attribution to them (Being artist is linked to being famous because both of them are "necessary" to be seen as "a pro")..but they hate the tedious long processes that you should love in the first place. There is an meme expression for this : " cringe". Someone else got shame, because you take risks. People got shame for you. It's fine. The real problem is most people mix healthy shame and toxic shame and their own agenda.
In the end, most people base their values on the whole system, which is the capitalism : do you have money? do you have fame? Failing, as an artist, are actions that are unprofitable or "useless". The social hierachy is made up to justify this global value and that's why most art people are seen as edgy, naive passionate people "in their bubble". It's a condescendant way of rejecting something out of control. It ask some serious maturity to not consider the "social statut" of someone (bad news, most people cares A LOT about it)
I guess people have a global pre-fabricated value, because they did not create or maintain their own values. Lack of reading or living experiences I guess is the root problem.
The other problem is most "successful" artists that "made it" on the internet, only show their best work obviously. They are rarely, if never, seen failing in public. Which is irrealistic. It gives a deformed vision of the activities to the wide public.
Being hated for your work is completely different from not being recognized for your work!
As a 3rd year industrial design student, thank you for all of the work you put into your videos, they're very inspiring and informative!
You're very welcome! I'm glad you found it helpful Al :)
Yes
Just finished my industrial design studies! gl :)
I remember when I was doing all of the drawings for a narcissistic interior designer. She couldn't draw. We were talking with the clients. They asked who did the nice drawings. She said that she did them. Then they asked me what I did. Ugh. I was flustered (also mad).
I also worked for the local government where they introduced a document where they wanted everyone to "think the same." I kid you not. Groan.
One of the things that I most like about your videos is the sincerity with which you communicate.
I would love to see a video on how you define "creative", and where is the line between "creativity" and "self expression" in design. A lot of the creatives highlighted here are artists whose work is their self expression. Meanwhile I've had an industrial design professor tell me "if you're here for self expression, you're in the wrong major". Does that difference impact how we assign value to the output of our creativity?
I disagree with your professor (partially... sort of). This used to be the case, but around the 1980s, design became much more about expression on behalf of a user. The big difference between art and design is that art is about self expression and design is expression for someone other than yourself (the user you are designing for). Yes, of course there's a functional aspect to design. But a big part of contemporary design goes beyond just manufacturable objects.
I'm with your professor (... I'm a design professor myself). This said, design without any self expression is quite dull, but with too much it turns into something different. There is a fine balance, and many famous so- called designer are way too much into self expression. And than it's not design anymore. Doesn't make their stuff bad or wrong, but it's not design.
Yes, this sounds very black-and-white, just to make the point for young students. Reality has many shades, and your professor knows this presumably.
While I was learning to design clothes, a professor once told us that if a woman walks into her event in your dress and everyone says ‘omg her dress is so beautiful!’ Then you failed as a designer. Because what they should be saying is Wow look at that woman she looks beautiful! I’d say half the class didn’t even understand what he meant and that’s when I realized this so called school only took the best… nope they took anyones money! I felt sorry for some students that just had no talent no drive no nothing….
@@pinchebruha405 thats ashame man. I couldnt imagine going to school and spending years honing skill, just to be told how much you dont get it. Keep doing your thing regardless.
Go to school to learn, but schools only are designed for complient workers.. why would I spend thousands of dollars just to work for someone else's creativity
This is why I want to own a space for local artists to display their work!
❤ beautiful idea
yeah
reflecting on creative works is what tends to make them resonate with me on a deeper level. It also helps spawn new ideas for my own creative attempts.
1:36 Wow, the first hearts-in-pupils effect so popular in many decadent Oriental animated films today!
Michaelangelo was truly ahead of his time.
So this is something I wanted to mention since this video is about how people don't appreciate art:
Whenever I really like something, especially a show, I am always watching and re-watching it, and everytime I do, I often notice little details in the backgrounds and frames, I'm always pausing to read things or to look at something closer in the frame, sometimes I also take the time to observe the way the characters move onscreen, whether it be they're expressions or poses. For me it's always entertaining to see these small details and oftentimes I'm pointing them out to people around me. I guess that's my way of appreciating the work of these people even if I'm not reading the credits.
We're the same. My definition of Good Media is something that can be reviewed and analyzed endlessly, or something that makes more sense the more you think about it. It shows how much the product meant to the people making it and it's always beautiful.
@@LJ-hk4tv I agree :), it's always so nice to see those things
Totally agree
u hv too much time i speed run everything ;)
I do the same especially with animated media, so much effort gets put into it
You can't control how Your work is perceived, but You can control how You present it.
My own society don't actually pay attention to creativity. They prefer medals from academic achievements, board exams, maths, science,money etc. But they can't stop me from what I want to do. I maybe not good at academics but I'm creative.
This is so true. People greatly underestimate artists and designers. As a person who has been studying graphic design for like 3 years, I know that it takes a lot of work to design a simple logo.
People always ask me why I wanted to take Civil engineering instead of Architecture. I've always been the creative kid that likes to draw but then I tried being a content creator. I realized how hard it is to gain attention from my artworks so I drew what every artist were making and I gained a bit of attention but it was draining and I felt stuck to create what I wanted. I'm still trying to make art without society suppressing me from being creative and I feel like being an architect will suppress my creative ideas so that's why I didn't take it. Though I wish people could see my art and appreciate them.
Keep doing what you are doing. If you want others to see your work than don't be afraid to share it. There are a lot of ways you can do it, like starting a UA-cam channel and posting videos of your work. It all starts by putting yourself out there and showing your passion for it. Whether it's hobbyists or other artists, people will recognize that and be attracted to it.
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I’ve heard from architects that it can be a soul sucking job because there’s so many things you have to take into consideration like money (of course), building codes, interests of the client, material limitations, even things like lighting, wheel chair access and a whole host of other things you wouldn’t think of. At the end of all that there’s very little room left for creativity. Oh and guess who gets blamed for building yet another ugly glass and concrete structure.
I think you made the right choice. Being creative on your own time and being free to do whatever you want is better for your mental health.
Lmao, can relate. If you don't want to draw cute females as an artist online, zero chance you are gonna make it, unless you are already a recognized master in your own way.
I used to draw almost every day. I got complements on it. But I stopped in 2001 because of extreme depression from divorce, and very few people cared about any of the drawings I created. Great video. Thankfully I've been lucky enough to see Michelangelo's David in person, in Aug 1990. Thank you.
This....thank you for this. As a creative, I've struggled with these problems for years, not feeling validated is among the issues I've had personally. This reminded me of what truly mattered in my craft or crafts, experimentation, the drive to always want to create something new. Thanks for this❤. Appreciate it.
Thank you so much for making this video! I’m a modernist painter living in a classically minded community. Where many don’t understand what I’m trying to say with my work. I was in a bit of a emotional slump this morning, but your advice and encouragement has really helped me turn it around, and get back to work. Thanks
12:41 I feel this so f*cking much. I started a baking business with my sibling where we were constantly riffing new flavors and we had one particularly viral seasonal product, I couldn't take it off the menu for months because people were looking for it but I grew to hate it so much (not to mention how tedious it got to do because I wasn't used to doing the same thing over and over again). Like I actually hated my customers and hated anything to do with that product for a while, I forced a change in a menu because it just felt like I was stuck forever like groundhog day doing that same in-demand product day-in-day-out for the sake of doing business, but inside it was killing my creative flow and I just HATED it. In the end I feel like I just lost all appetite for doing my business and ended it because nothing I did felt organic anymore, it just felt like I was catering to people who just wanted a dancing monkey-show to make them the same shit over and over. It was just no longer fun, I lost my creative spark.
Oh yes, very true. Especially with food. I have some chef friends and they absolutely cannot stand some of their best selling dishes because they have to constantly taste-test them, day in and day out.
...do you think Cobain felt that way about Smells Like Teen Spirit maybe?
Pete Towshend of The Who was extremely innovative but all the punters wanted to hear was Magic Bus
@@dwgauntlett yeh lots of musicians have a love hate with there most popular song especially if it was overplayed and all they are linked to.
What most people don't realize when starting a business is that a good business does the same thing day in and day out until the customers no longer want what the business is serving. What most creatives don't know is how to have someone else do the day to day while they do "R&D". If you look at a good kitchen, it's the same thing. The Head Chef does research and quality control while the line chefs do exactly what the main chef created for the menu.
I work in architecture and I never met a successful architect who didn't put down almost all the work from almost all other architects. The only work not done by themselves they praise is work from more successful architects than themselves. It always disgusted me to hear them throw around slurs all day long. Thank you for putting this feeling into words for us.
I’ve often felt that architecture has to be the most toxic field in the design industry. Not only because of the issue of your creativity being disregarded by clients but also because of lack of support, sometimes downright humiliation, from your own peers in the industry.
@@mt-vh7lj I can confirm this sentiment.
As a now mid-century female architect (yes, I am licensed - a shock to many younger architects) I recently dealt with an older male HOA (homeowners association architect) redesign my work. The irony was that it was what the client wanted. The other kicker - it was just a frickin storage building. And the latest is a custom home client who wants me to "help him out" with my fee! What??? You can't afford to build your house so you want me to redo the drawings and make it smaller for a small fee?
Constant battles and I stand up and speak my peace. But I am ready to exit this profession. Government controls have also gotten ridiculous. Time to break free.
Especially at work being a creative person in a workplace with average minded people will make you a target and people will resent you. I have actually shown that my skills and creativity were better than my supervisors at this one job and it made me the biggest target. It’s not like I was bragging about it, I was just letting my creative mind and hard work speak for its self. I went from being a top performer who was highly respected to a “problematic employee” for simply doing my job better than my bosses and calling out their behavior when they tried to retaliate against me and started to treat me like crap for no reason.
This video pretty much epitomises, the project I'm working on right now.
It's creative to the point it's unfundable, however, recently it's grabbed the attention of various countries that need what the project offers.
The premise of not giving up, and just going for it when you have nothing to loose is very important.
Thank you for this video.
It’s not just creative work. It’s true for all hard work. I could spend months building something in data science related work and no one would bat an eye. They ll use it but won’t care
Isn't building the same as creating though? Maybe you just need to adjust your definition of creative.
@@masterchiefer25I agree with this! So many things are creativity not just the arts. problem solving, building, and any way you create things, engineering, are in a way forms of creativity. ❤
@@masterchiefer25 there's a lot of creativity in STEM fields, that's why sometimes the acronym includes A for Arts :D
the difference is you get reliable pay for it, and most content creators don't.
Why would they care? If you build it for work, isn't it your job?
I always feel stupid at the sheer amount of emotion I feel when creating art.
don’t be
Yes art is stupid, The fact is Engineers and doctors are way better. They actually contribute something to society.
@@MrDecom002 If you think art is so stupid, then you should also remove your YT profile picture, afterall it is art created by an artist.
Actually take a second and utilize one of your braincells, and you will realize how many things dear to you on a daily basis is art.
@@MrDecom002 clothes is art, that pfp of yours is art, almost everything surrounding you is art, and following your logic, you’re saying everything is stupid
@@MrDecom002 That sounds like the BS I say when I see other art that is more successful than mine. Don't be so threatened now...
An album with alot of messaging about a struggling creative mind with love for his work and struggles with pressures from the outside plus the struggle of conveying to a mother worried about his wellbeing is "Nuture" by Porter Robinson.
Creativity starts by being open. The best way to start is by listening to all types of music being open to new ideas and avoiding being specialized. Time is precious and doing "this" means you are missing out on "that". But "this" may open up new ideas which improve "that". Always be exploring new things and don't let yourself be defined by how you make a living. Creativity wise I feel working a mindless job is the best path as it allows you to always be thinking of your creative pursuits in the background. It also provides the time to be creative. You have a set time to commit to doing what you love without being forced to crunch for someone else. Time management is important and sleep can help/hurt you. Just try stay moving, learning, and passionate about what you do "just for fun" even if those things are never recognized.
In my public high school in the 80's the artistic kids got physically attacked in the hallway , I learned to hide my creativity.
You should’ve learn to be creative and fight
Same here , I got the shit kicked out of me , I learned to be a comedian to defend myself , these kids were 15/16 and I was 11 , absolute scum
I always loved to scroll on a random artist's account and over observe their work bc it makes me so amazed by every little detail they put in 1 work
I never really comment on anything, but after watching this video i just felt the need to tell you how much i appreciate you sharing the knowledge you have and putting such an effort into these videos. But what i truly respect the most is your full dedication to art, even though it was hard and you hit a wall many times, you still pushed through, becouse you loved what you were doing. And this love for art is what makes us keep going. Becouse life without art is a really sad one. I'd rather be dead than live a life i can't spend doing what i love. I also feel like we really have nothing to lose when the most important thing in our lives is the ability to create. If you don't let them get you discouraged, they can't ever take it from you. And being true to your values and doing what you love are the two things i respect the most.
Amazing video!
I am so grateful you made this video. I am unsure what to say. I feel I can write a book to respond to your insights here. As an artist who has experienced everything you say here and somehow evolved from it, I relate....thank you xxx Jai Sol
Every time I am doing a creative group project with other people in high school, my ideas always get shut down immediately, to which I never understand why.
I remember we had a fun little marketing exercise in this management course thing I'm in, it was just for fun to like entertain students from a different school. The instructions were to somehow market trash our (amazing) teacher found in some dumpster in an appealing way, and we got a giant bucket that was for wet napkins.
I Immediately had the idea of marketing this bucket as a designer bag inspired by how some fashion companies make the most absurd items as part of marketing and get a lot of money out of it, and everyone in my team either did not understand what the fuck I'm talking about, or just gave me weird looks. In the end they decided to market the bucket as just a fucking box. Just a box you can put stuff in. I was upset because of this so I just didn't really contribute and stayed quiet the entire time.
Then when they presented their product, they just talked about how you can put things in it. Later they even had the balls to say "oh you can use it as a bag too" and it pissed me off a little not gonna lie....
This is one of the reasons why I don't like working with other people when it comes to using my creativity or artistic abilities.
Well, _I_ like your idea of selling it as a bag. 😃 It reminds me fondly of when people got excited about a banana duct-taped to the wall. Everyday things used in new situations is good creativity.
Also, I like your choice of artist for your pfp. Burgh is great. I hope you keep creating. 😉
Yep, those who can't produce their own, are almost always liars and thievs.
That's less because you were creative and more because you were introverted rather than extroverted. It's always that way in any group project. And yes, this exact same thing happens in the workplace. The introvert proposes an idea, the extroverts shut it down and later steal it and take credit for the idea.
It happens even when it's not intentional on their part.
*shrug*
That's human behaviour.
yeah ur right@@DefaultFlame
@@killjoy6880 The flaws in human nature wouldn't be flaws if they didn't suck.
Great video John and contributors! Speaking of your final thoughts, I think the act of creating anything (even if it's as "ordinary" as baking a cake or making a graphic for a friend) is something that is holy and should be enough to give you solace about your place in the world. At least as a creative you're not actively trying to tear things down... you're being contributive in society instead of destructive... you're gonna be on the right side of history.
Agree 100%
Great words, totally agree!
I begin every project with one question. What would I do if I didn’t have to prove anything?
Woah, this comment hit me like a freight train. I'm going to have to copy it down in my diary and then put it somewhere where I'll see it all the time as a reminder that, just maybe, I'm on the right path!
Thank you for sharing your words!
I definitely agree… I enjoy the act of knitting because unlike my design work, I can go back on it, revise, improve etc without the time limit, insecurities or the talent-related anxiety that comes with the job. So funny that people have wanted me to market my knitting. Sorry lol I don’t want to lose my little flame as a creative lol
4:24 yes! This is a huge issue, and I know it. I bet you there’s a work of fan fiction out there that’s one of the best stories ever written, but because it was about obscure characters or it wasn’t super noteworthy at the start, no one picked up on it and it remains undiscovered to this day.
On that note, one of my favorite works of fiction is a fan fiction. It’s a multiverse story that plays with ideas of fate, and asks interesting questions about the value of freedom vs life. Yet when I tell people it’s a fan fiction, they don’t care suddenly because it didn’t reach anyone, and if it was good they’d obviously adapt it into an original work when that’s impossible with how they’ve written the story, which uses pre-existing characters from many different IPs to play with different ideas. People gain a little more respect when I say it’s over 2 million words long, but not enough to really care about it, because didn’t you hear how successful avatar was?
Been having a double depresso all day today and big tear drops. I really needed this video in my algorithm today. Thank you so much. Such a strange coincidence for it to come up on my recommended because it liteerally sums up exactly how I've been feeling. Unwanted, unliked, and like people have ran out of patience with me.
Wow! This video came up on my feed as recommended and I'm glad that it did. I pursued Opera as a career with very little success. I had a good teachers and bad teachers. I had teachers who encouraged me to seek out performing opportunities and teachers who told me I was never going to amount to anything. When I felt locally ready I took more chances and did more auditions and got parts. I realized that the business of being an opera singer was the one thing I was not taught. When I started out I realized you have to have a certain look a certain marketability in order to have financial success in that field. I even realize that when you are auditioning for courses if you don't have an, or you aren't seasoned member of the Union it makes it very difficult. I lost my excitement for singing the music. I especially lost it when friend told me that they would never cast me in a role that I had been preparing for a long time. It felt pointless. Now I sing for one of my jobs, I do find satisfaction in it. But I recently took a chance on buying a cello, and my whole perspective changed. I was made to play the cello. However I am a 49 year old woman. But ever since I bought my cello I have practiced it consistently for a year. I can count the number of days that I did not take my cello out. And those days are few. One thing that I realized about this journey is I am not afraid to sound bad, I am not afraid to fail, and since I have put no monetary value on my becoming a jealous of renowned capabilities I have allowed myself the luxury of learning. This has allowed me to be more creative musically than I was able to when I was singing opera. I wish I had known this 30 years ago when I started singing. Allow yourself to be creative allow yourself to fail allow yourself to learn without a deadline. Unfortunately the Opera industry gives you a deadline of 35. If you're not vocally extraordinary by 35 you might as well quit. And that zaps all your passion and your creativity because you're singing towards a deadline. Don't do that. I'm going to share your video and I hope that some of my young singer friends will see this and understand what you're saying. I'm glad that you made this video. Thank you very much.
Hey Dabney, this is such an uplifting message. It's one of those things that's so easy in theory, but so hard in practice. Whether we want to admit it or not, a small part of us wants recognition for our work. It's really hard to let go of that. I'm so happy that the message resonated with you, and that you've found peace in your creative pursuits.
Amazing comment, (l'm at the same stage with art, finally doing it for the joy of it) I screenshot your comment to send to my daughter, when she takes her next break from working, (she provides support mentoring and training) and from the last conversation we had, this is so on point for her, thanks again, and enjoy your eloquent cello!
There's a rule of thumb to be around creativity. The trick is to never criticize or say a negative thing. Always just focus on positive you can find. If you want to direct, use positive feedback. There are enough people who can find the negative in everything, don't be one of them. This is something I've learned the hard way about creativity. It doesn't breed in certain space.
@Mewmew there are no problems in art.
This is truly a remarkable video and came to me at a time when I was having a hard time putting the words to what I was feeling about being a creative person.
One thing I learned as recently as this week is that stagnation impedes creative flow and growth. I've been doing a podcast for 10 years now and it has only once ever cracked the 1,000 monthly listener mark which was at the beginning of the pandemic and then promptly nosedived back to the usual 200 listens a month I expect. I've been thinking of quitting this show because we make nothing from it and I do all of the audio engineering, editing, set up, website maintenance, uploading, etc.
But then I lost my job this month and decided that I have nothing to lose. So my cohost and I bought some cameras and recorded the show as a video. What this meant is that I can insert my little dumb visual gags I used to like doing when I did video editing for other shows. It's not much, but the difference in views from one episode on UA-cam versus 5 episodes a month in podcast format is staggering. I'm not cracking 1,000 views or anything, but its progress. What this means is that I get a new way to create on the thing I've been doing for years and the very clear growth to me means that there is somehow an audience for what me and my cohost do.
Thanks so much for this video. I'm constantly fighting the self-doubt and discouragement of trying to make it as an artist, and it's nice to hear that nobody really knows if their stuff is "good", and even the determination of what is "good" is somewhat arbitrary and often attributed to earning potential and virality and all that dreck. I'm going to take your advice and just keep creating, no matter what. I can't seem to stop myself anyway, so I might as well enjoy it!
I've been drawing since I was 2 and have been creating stories since I was 4. I'm a teenager now and I'm working on a passion story with a very fleshed out fantasy universe. I feel like I have a lot to offer the world but nobody really cares. This video made me feel really good and makes me want to continue to pursue my passion
Here's some advice, take it or leave it: Be realistic with your expectations. I don't mean to dissuade you, but you must temper your self esteem if you wish to survive as a creative. It may very well turn out that only you enjoy your creation, which is perfectly fine and not necessarily a bad thing. But if you expect everyone to fall in love with it then you're in for a rude awakening. Also, many of your projects will probably fail, but that's okay. Here's the silver lining: there are no rules against re-integrating previous works into your current work. Best of luck to you!
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Share small parts with other people where ever you can and then evaluate the feedback objectively. Look for work that pays enough if you are able, never stop pursuing your expression in art. Swan lake was a flop before it was hailed as great art
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As a failed... well everything really, I must say that I very much appreciated how this videos "contrasted and nuanced" the difference between the "work as a creator" and the "life choice of being a creator".
And I think it's a "message and opinion" that really needs to be communicated and kept in mind, not least now with the "looming AI competition" on the horizon. As I have personally gotten the impression that many Younger people are (or at least seem to) contemplating to abandon their "creative calling" due to the ""effects" that the introduction of "AI" might have on the role as a "professional creator" as they had envisioned it... So that even if they make the "life choice" to not pursue "art/creation" as their professional role, to NOT let that quench their creative spark and drive.
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I am a high school science teacher, in a system that coddles kids to avoid making them uncomfortable. This video fires me up. You inspire me to push the kids to take risks and push forward. Thank you for being open and vulnerable