Final Fantasy XIV's EXTREME Virtual Housing Market

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  • @mirtha1908
    @mirtha1908 3 роки тому +266

    one thing I'd note is that irl there is, in most cases, actually a surplus of housing - the problem is it isn't available due to the market practices of landlords(scalpers)
    which honestly just makes the ffxiv housing market look even more dire in terms of lack of supply sksksks
    just different root causes

    • @ashleytjoseph
      @ashleytjoseph 3 роки тому +6

      On NA servers, personals own 70% of the housing based on lodestone data. There's not a surplus of houses. 30% of the houses are owned by FCs. less than %1 is owned by micro fcs(3 characters or less)
      The average NA server currently has ~20k active characters. There are 5760 houses for those 20k characters.

    • @mirtha1908
      @mirtha1908 3 роки тому +10

      @@ashleytjoseph right so ffxiv has the same landlord problem we have irl with groups buying up a large proportion as WELL as having a ridiculous undersupply
      honestly how are they managing to have a housing market more exclusive than actual housing/rentals sks

    • @ashleytjoseph
      @ashleytjoseph 3 роки тому +1

      @@mirtha1908 I think I might have misunderstood something. There's not a significant number of people scalping for houses when looking at Lodestone data. 30% FC houses includes legit FCs.
      The 70% personals are a larger problem since for a personal house, only 4 people can use a personal house(owner + 3 tenants).
      Whereas from the FC perspective, a legit FC can house 512 members max. Housing started off as FC only and astronomically expensive. Opening the same pool of houses to personals while lowering the placard cost was a mistake with something in limited supply.

    • @mirtha1908
      @mirtha1908 3 роки тому +3

      @@ashleytjoseph ahh gotcha! and sorry I used abvieve irl for real life distinction but the abrieve disappears intl text wall v easy that might just be me tho my brain has bad

    • @Willwantstobeawesome
      @Willwantstobeawesome 2 роки тому

      this isn't really true

  • @cdrhiggins
    @cdrhiggins 3 роки тому +30

    Note on the invisible timer:
    It was implemented to prevent RMT and price gouging. Before the timer, the land and plot was immediately available for purchase after demolition. That means somebody could go around a single ward and buy up all the plots, then make others pay upwards of 50 mil gil just to release the land.

  • @nekkowe
    @nekkowe 3 роки тому +103

    The next expansion fortunately looks like it'll alleviate this by giving everyone an instanced private island (or something?)
    Shoutouts to how most of the gardening system is locked behind owning ground.
    Part of what I love about the game is how over time, all these old pre-reset technical contrivances have been getting resolved, and I'm confident housing is no different.

    • @localantag
      @localantag 3 роки тому +1

      They've already stated that it's not a replacement for housing, and that's not its intention. Odds are that you won't be able to decorate and customize your farm.

    • @RoyalKnightish
      @RoyalKnightish 3 роки тому +2

      @@localantag Where was it stated?? I read his last interview about Island Sanctuary, and Yoshi P even said "I won't say it wont overlap with housing content ", which means that there will be similarities there like gardening and decorating .

    • @Jhud69
      @Jhud69 2 роки тому

      Now that we have Island Sanctuary a year later yeahh it's definitely not a replacement, a fun side thing to do but you can't really decorate your house much. Bit of a shame, would be nice if it at least had an equivalent of apartments in there.

  • @UGOTNUKED
    @UGOTNUKED 3 роки тому +62

    4:00
    The timer is actually totally randomized and has no upper limit. The plot has a certain percentage of going "live" every time the timer ticks down (we don't exactly know if this is seconds, server ticks or a different arbitrary amount of time) but there is no pity mechanic. That means theoretically it could take 100 hours till a plot becomes available. That is of course very unlikely, but there have been reports of plots taking more than 40 hours to go "live". Due to the specific (unknown) random chance though, 8 to 20 hours has been reported as the most common time it takes.

    • @ashleytjoseph
      @ashleytjoseph 3 роки тому +4

      The upper limit is 24hr based on the years of data from Sadu's the house alerts discord.
      Sadu's tracks open plots from community contributed sweeps of the wards. These sweeps are done almost hourly on servers like Balmung/Mateus.
      Someone might have relocated into the open plot and out, causing the hidden timer to reset.

  • @UGOTNUKED
    @UGOTNUKED 3 роки тому +35

    SE will actually introduce a new mechanic additionally to the clicking madness in Endwalker. New districts will be lottery based. So plots will go to a random player among all the players who entered the lottery.

  • @y0av359
    @y0av359 3 роки тому +56

    Who needs food and water when you can get a final fantasy xiv house 😎

  • @gunjfur8633
    @gunjfur8633 3 роки тому +66

    "but there arent enough houses for everyone"
    There are more empty houses in the US than homeless people

    • @GaleGrim
      @GaleGrim Рік тому +4

      That's not the only factor.
      where are the homeless people in respect to the houses? A shit tone of houses in Maine dose nothing for a homeless guy in Texas.
      Even then those houses might not be up to code, and thus might not be safe to let anyone live in.
      To say nothing of the economic validity of an area for a given individual. A would be fashion designers probably not gonna have a good time living in a coal mining town in BFE that doesn't know a blouse from a doublet.

  • @Thep_Erson
    @Thep_Erson 3 роки тому +15

    "In the meantime, there's always apartments."
    Except for some reason those are also limited and are also entirely filled up in Balmung :')

    • @ashleytjoseph
      @ashleytjoseph 3 роки тому +5

      It's a uniquely Balmung problem.

  • @RavenDragunes
    @RavenDragunes 3 роки тому +24

    That makes me even more baffled how I got my house in the goblet.
    I literally just strolled up to it and bought it for 3.2 mil. For some reason nobody wanted it even though it's a rank 1 plot (plot 18) and next to the marketboard.

    • @KaliTakumi
      @KaliTakumi 3 роки тому +3

      Maybe because most people hate the goblet more then any other housing area

    • @crusaddy982
      @crusaddy982 3 роки тому +3

      Depends on server and time, EU especially. In fact, there are entire ghost wards on Spriggan where there isn't a single plot purchased

    • @ashleytjoseph
      @ashleytjoseph 3 роки тому +2

      Depends on server and year as well. In 2018/2019 getting a house on low pop servers like Malboro was just walk up and buy as the timers had run out.

    • @Aviii_
      @Aviii_ 3 роки тому

      ​@@KaliTakumi Yeah, generally people dislike the Goblet, me included, though that's how I ended up getting my first land. Everywhere else had high competition, so I found a plot in the Goblet that nobody wanted, spam clicked it until I got it, without worries of competition, then transferred to a different plot in the Shroud in front of some dude that was presumably clicking there for many hours, and to put it lightly, got reasonably upset when I apologetically took it.
      Which yeah, the video seemed to miss the one cruel and crucial part where people who already own land can easily transfer with 2 or 3 clicks. You could be spam clicking the same plot for 7 hours, and someone that already has a house can come in and take it at any time. From there, you'd have to go to whatever plot opened up from them moving and restart the whole process. Those 7 hours you spent wearing down the timer? All gone, down the drain. Gotta do it all over again. You don't get to say "I already spent 7 hours, so it's only a matter of time.", it starts all over again.
      I guess during those 7 hours of clicking, you just gotta hope and pray that nobody does exactly that. Still felt bad for taking the nice plot from that guy, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. And sometimes what you gotta do ain't pretty :(

    • @KaliTakumi
      @KaliTakumi 3 роки тому

      @@Aviii_ honestly my first plot was in Shirogane and I got it after 2.5 hours

  • @FinnsArtistryChannel
    @FinnsArtistryChannel 3 роки тому +9

    The catboys need housing!😢we need to bring more awareness to this, FF XIV plz fix!!

  • @KaliTakumi
    @KaliTakumi 3 роки тому +4

    One time I found a plot with nobody at it, I spent like 8 hours spam clicking. It was 4 am so I decided to take a 1 hour nap.
    I came back and it was purchased

  • @luicifiero
    @luicifiero 3 роки тому +8

    5:41 In the recent live letter from the devs they said that buying plots is gonna be a raffle system. So it is getting resolved soon.

    • @ashleytjoseph
      @ashleytjoseph 3 роки тому

      Not all plots are going to be lottery. SE has stated the following on the official forums:
      Free for all wards
      Lottery wards
      FC only wards
      Personal only wards
      Adjustments to the relocation system.
      It's currently unclear whether FC/personal only wards will be lottery as well or what the exact changes to the relocation system are.

  • @spacetaco048
    @spacetaco048 3 роки тому +10

    Finally someone talking about the BIG ff problem lol
    And who better to do it by one of the coolest artistic youtubers I know...

    • @mikasacus
      @mikasacus  3 роки тому +6

      we only talk about the serious stuff here

  • @tipiaurel
    @tipiaurel 3 роки тому +3

    I love your channel and i love this game you have no idea how much this just made my day . Ty deeply

    • @mikasacus
      @mikasacus  3 роки тому +2

      thank you for your nice comment :)

  • @veryblurry
    @veryblurry 3 роки тому +3

    Every single video from you is a banger, I love your work man.

  • @ALtheBoi
    @ALtheBoi 3 роки тому +13

    I have never played FF14
    And I’ve finally experienced the absolute torturous feeling of not knowing if Mika is shitposting or not

    • @Traxiconn
      @Traxiconn 3 роки тому +6

      Nope this video is actually 100% correct and there isn't a joke based on misinformation in the whole thing.

  • @kagamine14
    @kagamine14 3 роки тому +7

    Luckily, though this isn’t going to be a long term fix, they’re adding the firmament housing district and a certain amount of wards in the existing house area! On top of that they’re going to split fc/personal wards apart, though we don’t know if this will affect existing wards. Finally they’re adding a lotto system so I presume you just click to add your name and you’ll get notified if you won the house. These were confirmed by the dev team, but we do not know the details yet, I’m guessing we’re going to get more info in a live letter ramping up to endwalker.

  • @realjpegmafia
    @realjpegmafia 3 роки тому +5

    Another Banger Video Mika

    • @meemdispenser5149
      @meemdispenser5149 3 роки тому +1

      bro it hasn't even been up long enough to watch it fully, do you watch at 2x speed??

    • @realjpegmafia
      @realjpegmafia 3 роки тому +1

      @@meemdispenser5149 yeah 🙀🙀

    • @meemdispenser5149
      @meemdispenser5149 3 роки тому +1

      @@realjpegmafia We got a speed runner in the comment section

    • @umserhumano557
      @umserhumano557 3 роки тому +1

      @@realjpegmafia if you watched a video in a way witch the creator didn't intend for it to be expirienced, did you even watch the actual video?

    • @realjpegmafia
      @realjpegmafia 3 роки тому

      @@umserhumano557 nah I’m just kidding with the sped up thing I was in the middle of the vid and I thought it was good and enjoyed it so I left a comment

  • @lanterns_glow
    @lanterns_glow Рік тому +1

    This is why they really should consider moving to a system like what ESO has- each player's general world experience is kept isolated to the player save for world events like World Bosses, Dungeons, and doing things in a group. A thousand people could own the same house in a Zone and yet each instance is unique to each player overall unless invited to their version of that home.
    For example, I own Autumns-Gate in The Rift, with some vampire decorations just because of the Witch Festival. However, other players ALSO own that plot for their account and likely have different decor!
    FF14 could try this out going forward. Either that, or actually make more spots for homes.

  • @carloshenriqueonocarvalho1162
    @carloshenriqueonocarvalho1162 3 роки тому +1

    damn i just found out about your channel and im liking this video

  • @Breezeezee
    @Breezeezee 3 роки тому +3

    You mentioned losing to a bot as if it's a bad thing, but why would you NOT set up a bot to click for you when the alternative is to waste weeks of your life getting carpal tunnel?

  • @RSorei
    @RSorei Рік тому +1

    A small update: This system has finally been abolished 🎉
    Last spring, FFXIV switched from this to a lottery system. When a plot becomes available, you go to the placard (which is open for several days) and are assigned a number. After this signup period, one random number gets drawn and declared the winner, and that person has a few days to claim the house.
    That, combined with the fact that they added another 6 wards with 60 plots each to every housing district recently, has helped a lot!! Now, it's not uncommon to find smaller plots in less popular areas open for a while before they get snatched up.

  • @araujoPr
    @araujoPr Рік тому +1

    Sugestion, keep these already existing houses and make them " to notch" houses and add LOTS of only fast travel districts to house same lots, but without rendering maps. This will make houses on actual placee of the map very even more atractives, but will also create suburbs that make having a house viable ( jus in some of map street of other houses that isn't connected phisicaly to the map, making the situations of rendering districts a lot less frequent)

  • @connorb3931
    @connorb3931 3 роки тому +1

    BABE WAKE UP NEW MIKA VIDEO DROPPED

  • @VorpalTiger
    @VorpalTiger 2 роки тому +1

    now with Endwalker, its a lotto system now. no more clicking. put a down payment to be in the drawing, if you dont win you get your gil back.

  • @jamesa.646
    @jamesa.646 2 роки тому +3

    I don't get why FF14 doesn't just have one empty lot that is always vacant. For example let's say multiple players can buy a single plot of land but each respective player only sees their house. I feel like this would be such a super easy fix.

    • @VorpalTiger
      @VorpalTiger 2 роки тому +2

      instancing also takes a shit ton of server space, it wouldnt be a solution more than it would hinder servers

  • @shrempubempu2280
    @shrempubempu2280 3 роки тому

    New mikasacus video sound the alarms

  • @Zombievalia
    @Zombievalia 3 роки тому

    While watching this video, I went to my small cottage in the Goblet and smiled to myself

  • @adreamer5920
    @adreamer5920 3 роки тому +3

    Housing Crisis (SAVAGE)

  • @SabreBash
    @SabreBash 2 роки тому +2

    Certainly the game is to blame for the housing issues, but i'm not sure it's fair to blame Square Enix for the back or carpal tunnel cases. Ultimately, a house isn't required to play the game, and playing the game isn't required to live. It would be rather like blaming Netflix for your eyestrain; Ultimately it's up to the human being behind the keyboard to prioritize their own health.

    • @KichiMiangra
      @KichiMiangra Рік тому +1

      Where a house isn't NECESSARY to play the game, the fact that Hybrid Gardening as a mechanic is locked behind owning property is where I draw issue. I don't want a house. I don't want to decorate it or build stuff or decide how it looks or where furniture goes. I *DO* want to garden. I want to garden for Thavnarian onions and Veggie minions and grow hybrid plants! But I am not allowed to do that or engage in that mechanic because I don't own a house.
      "You can buy them on the market place if you want them?" I wanted to engage in a mechanic and grow them myself D:
      "What about asking a friend to use their plot?" My friends don't HAVE houses either and they actually WANT houses. And I don't want to make fake friends to use their land. D:
      "Why not join a guild with an FC house?" I don't want to hop guild to guild looking for one that will let this newbie to their FC use their garden, and when my sister was guild hopping and on the side inquiring about garden use the answer was always that the gardens are being used for something else entirely. D:
      Quite literally I would have almost no complaints if Square would just give me a 4x4 single pot for my apartment I could do small scale Hybrid gardening in. Or anyone with an apartment has access to an instanced "Apartment garden" where each suite gets a small plot only they can interact with.
      Houses are not necessary to play but to lock a game mechanic is irksome. It would be like saying only 100 people can enter the Gold Saucer per day "because reasons." You don't NEED to go play at FF Chuck E. Cheese's but then you miss out on all the fun mini games and prizes D:

    • @SabreBash
      @SabreBash Рік тому

      @@KichiMiangra You're right, that is a pretty clear incentive to do all this nonsense to get the houses, if only to make the game more fun, though i would still hope that after being treated so badly by a game for so long people might eventually just go play something else.
      Of course, MMO's come with social obligations within the game, and leaving might mean leaving friends behind. I recognize that it's more complicated than that.

  • @yokie8472
    @yokie8472 3 роки тому +1

    Banger video

  • @silicalnz
    @silicalnz 3 роки тому +2

    Theres quite a bit of misinformation in this video. You forgot to mention housing price is heavily based on speculation aka how much something might be worth in the future. Server resources for individual housing is significantly *cheaper* than single homes with a lot of people.

  • @stupidkid9521
    @stupidkid9521 3 роки тому +1

    Mikasacus more like Mikacasus

  • @Q269
    @Q269 2 роки тому

    Asheron's Call just built Apartment Dungeons, it's not hard...

  • @deliziosetiefkuhlkost2463
    @deliziosetiefkuhlkost2463 3 роки тому

    Nice vid

  • @morpheus_uat
    @morpheus_uat 3 роки тому

    the first part of the video did get me into the sad mood :(

  • @LatteLobster
    @LatteLobster 3 роки тому

    Might need to get into final fantasy to practice landlordship

  • @Cleanurself
    @Cleanurself 3 роки тому

    While I love the instanced wards and having neighbors and generally having a good time RPing I do feel terrible about how the system works and think that hopefully the rework makes it somewhat better

  • @extremistcontentfan1236
    @extremistcontentfan1236 3 роки тому +1

    There's no way anyone is genuinely personally clicking their mouse for 15+ hours on the same spot and not just using a macro or cookie clicker-esque script to spam it instead

  • @calvin5872
    @calvin5872 3 роки тому

    Why is your voice so nice

  • @casualhuman1832
    @casualhuman1832 3 роки тому

    Around two years ago you made a song called 64 bits and i can't find it anywhere please if you release music anywhere else or have that song send it my way im begging of you

  • @lostarsm9240
    @lostarsm9240 2 роки тому

    Don’t get a house. You’ll only get your heartbroken if rl rips you away for 80 days or longer… it is not worth it. It’s a shackle to keep you subbed to the game even when it is best for you your emotional and financial health to step away. It makes a return to the game after a long hiatus a painful one…all of your seasonal and even mogstation purchased furnishings…gone. Truly… There really needs to be more videos about the dangers and the criticisms of this broken system that should’ve never been implemented before they found a fix to the limitation of even just retrieving your furnishings no matter how long it takes one to return back to the game. It. Is. Not. Worth. It.

  • @Hamburgorl
    @Hamburgorl 3 роки тому

    the markets are brutal

  • @TypoDiabetes
    @TypoDiabetes 3 роки тому

    I'm glad I'm informed on this issue for this game I don't play.

  • @wisdomeel
    @wisdomeel 3 роки тому

    it was pain getting my house

  • @veraeroes
    @veraeroes 3 роки тому

    I have never tried to buy a house in this game because of the absolutely disastrous housing market, just like real life I guess

  • @stsars13
    @stsars13 3 роки тому

    I got my house by pure luck lol, I cherish it greatly knowing full well the hell I could've gone through to get it.

  • @IrvineKinneas8882
    @IrvineKinneas8882 3 роки тому

    Funny thing is, even if you do get a house and make someone else even more miserable then they already are (or if someone havent relocated there, that avoids the entire timer thing lamao), and you did it, and it's there, and you decorated it spending up to three times of what you paid for plot and house, for what? For this wondrous sense of neighbourhoods? wards are empty 75% of the time, unless you drag people through pf advertisements of some sort. People just get a house, maybe fiddle with housing a little bit, and then completely abandon it and it just stands there until they get a demolition email and they log back in to go inside the house once and dont come back for another 30 days.

  • @theyayoranges
    @theyayoranges 3 роки тому

    Feeding the algorithm with like/sub/bell and comment.
    PSA: make a hotkey to help👌

  • @rockco-iv8es
    @rockco-iv8es 3 роки тому +2

    do they know auto clickers exist?

  • @-kove-4446
    @-kove-4446 3 роки тому

    What's wrong with being homeless in video game I don't really get it?

  • @boringdude3706
    @boringdude3706 3 роки тому

    I don't even play final fantasy yet I watch it

  • @Kit-Oni
    @Kit-Oni 3 роки тому

    In 20 hours you could finish a another game or multiple shorter games i can't imagine grinding like that

  • @johnherrera5261
    @johnherrera5261 3 роки тому

    Imagine wasting your life clicking for a virtual house lmao

  • @mrwoodchuck94
    @mrwoodchuck94 3 роки тому +1

    I don't know but i play ff14 since for a long time and never in that time i wanted to buy a house you can't do anything with it it's pretty usles to owne a house

  • @roxas2k991
    @roxas2k991 3 роки тому +3

    Why can't they use autoclickers?

    • @nukiradio
      @nukiradio 3 роки тому

      Botting is common in online games

    • @ashleytjoseph
      @ashleytjoseph 3 роки тому

      Against TOS but people still do it.

  • @ultimatederp5069
    @ultimatederp5069 3 роки тому

    My friend set up an auto clicker in this game and it took him 100+ hours.

  • @lavendeerpuyotet3586
    @lavendeerpuyotet3586 3 роки тому +4

    There isn't a housing shortage in the US. There are more empty houses than homeless people. It's just landlords holding on to them to jack up the price.... abolish the housing market

    • @thetaomega7816
      @thetaomega7816 2 роки тому

      there are more homeless people but they are all in LA, not Montana - Doesnt work like that dude

  • @sauladarity9901
    @sauladarity9901 3 роки тому

    Bring back the FFXI MogHouse

  • @PunkExMachina
    @PunkExMachina 2 роки тому

    if you click for hours and weeks to the point of developing physical issues that means you're addicted to the game and you need to get a grip. This is an issue withing the game for sure but at some point you need to go outside and touch grass. It's just video game house.

  • @Speed001
    @Speed001 2 роки тому

    4:44 wow, imagine not using an autoclicker.
    -Non player

  • @Elemtree
    @Elemtree 3 роки тому +3

    It’s a free county, not a rent free country.

    • @personeater2664
      @personeater2664 3 роки тому +1

      Me explaining the difference between Burgundy and 1940’s China

  • @NinjaIsLaw
    @NinjaIsLaw 3 роки тому +4

    El tigre for all stars brawl

  • @VideogameFrames
    @VideogameFrames 3 роки тому

    Terrifying

  • @skyty0
    @skyty0 3 роки тому +2

    If this makes you feel bad, remember that the real life housing market operates on almost the exact same principal. : )

  • @epictom3423
    @epictom3423 3 роки тому

    Epic

  • @valeriandsouza4763
    @valeriandsouza4763 3 роки тому

    Amazinf

  • @KaliTakumi
    @KaliTakumi 3 роки тому

    I didn't watch the live letter so only through the comment section did I find out that they're fixing this garbage system lol

  • @david21216
    @david21216 3 роки тому

    Yo why don't these people use auto clicker?

  • @chung1041
    @chung1041 3 роки тому

    This ain't housing savage for no reason

  • @riddyrid
    @riddyrid 3 роки тому

    Hmm

  • @internetgirl4617
    @internetgirl4617 2 роки тому

    Do people forget that all of this stuff is digital it’s not real

  • @whydoineedahandleforyoutube
    @whydoineedahandleforyoutube 2 роки тому

    Interesting and fun vid! The bit about irl houses having skyrocketing prices because of limited supply isn't necessarily true everywhere, though. There are many factors in play. Where I am it's a gentrification issue on top of many other things

  • @DaedNevar
    @DaedNevar 3 роки тому

    0:45 "there arent enough houses to go around for everyone"
    Mikasacus, ur non-american is showing

  • @yukinagato4319
    @yukinagato4319 Рік тому

    no pos ta cbrn :v

  • @smurfsfan3996
    @smurfsfan3996 2 роки тому

    Nft

  • @EpicMakesEverythingBetter
    @EpicMakesEverythingBetter Рік тому

    The solution? Make your own game. If you follow someone else, you never get to make your own rules.

  • @eccchoes
    @eccchoes 3 роки тому

    o7

  • @ajb2891
    @ajb2891 3 роки тому

    literally just download an autoclicker lol