12:47 Hello, yes, that'd be me. Wish-Ender is one of my absolute favorite weapons in the game, and I have been wanting it to be buffed since release. Anti-Barrier felt like it was a natural thing to have on it when Champions got added, and finally getting that is just.... god yes
I’m in the same boat as you. As a bow user I fucking love wish ended. That intrinsic barrier just means I’ll take it with me in almost all nightfalls now
Having some more exotic primaries to fall back to if you don't like the current rotation of primary weapon anti champion mods on the artifact is really nice too.
I still think they should add some general anti champs mods, even if just for primary weapons It could be stuff like Overload automatics (smgs, auto rifles) Anti barrier semi (scouts, handcannons, bows ig) Unstoppable burst (pulses obvs) Or just use whatever sub divisions they used for the seasonal challenges (the calibration ones) Even if these mods cost more energy than the seasonal ones it would at least allow people more variety
Slight correction on Fighting Lion: The intended 5% buff to it was rolled back because of a bug, but the new buff they are giving to it was upped to 8% (total) over the previous 5%.
“If I had a nickel for every buff Malfeasance had over the last year I would have about 6 nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but I’ll use them more than I’ll ever use Malfeasance.”
Honestly Malfeasance would be a lot better if the explosion procced on death *or* enough bullets, with a death-procced explosion being weaker based on the number of shots. That way it still does *something* against red bars
I just like having more Anti Champion options for running Lost Sectors and Nightfalls. And since Thunderlord is Arc, I may end up running with Arc 3.0, artifact mods willing. I should probably finally pick up Malfeasance.
@@jamfilledjars Ugh. I've been putting off because I'm on the Mote step. Between Gambit being Gambit and my match stability being inconsistent, I haven't been in the mood to finish it for maaaany seasons. But anti-champion options might push me to finish it.
@@defiantmars9910 Ah, I got it done as soon as I could during Forsaken. Alternate Corrupted strike was the worst part about that entire questline for me.
@@thatguyyouhate3743 i know even without the bug the guns alt mode functions better as a unstop fire mode being it feels hevey hitting something with it
@@btr1011 Either could work but I just subconscously connect Arc/Electricity with overloading. Like I always assumed World Line Zero’s Arc Heavy attack would get the Overload treatment
I’m loving all the buffs to underperforming weapons rather than nerfing the good stuff to FORCE underperforming weapon utilization. And separating Omni’s damage resist between PvE and PvP was a great move. I love Omni in GM, hate it in Trials. Overall I’m really excited about these buffs coming, this was such a great read during my work lunch break!
Whoever this Merc guy is decided to give the shittiest exotics the anti champ intrinsic traits. Nobody is going to use thunderlord or malfeasance in a GM. Arbalest will still be the go to over wishender bow. The only viable exotic trait they added was ovl to LeMon
@@Bigman33752 if the only exotic AB alternative to arbalest is a wishender bow that's not as strong as arby, then no one will use it in high endgame activities where DPS and quick/efficient takedowns matter
Le Monarque is about to become the new Arbalest. Osteo kinda saved overload smgs from being complete crap but It's nice to to know we have another guaranteed strong overload option aside from Div. Also hope we get and arc round artifact mod to pair with arc 3.0 and thunderlord. Could be nuts.
Fun fact, the poison damage ALONE from Le Monarque can stun overloads (based on past Overload bow seasons) so Monarque getting Overload by default is a much bigger deal than some people may realize
You know, i love these balancing changes. Remember when arbalest was hot trash? now it's amazing. Remember when Vex was amazing? Now it's just good. These changes really bring the LIVE to the SERVICE GAMES.
Not gonna lie, the change to skulking wolf means they don't have to tune the Hunt system for Skulking Wolf every season while also making a coveted Origin trait PS, my range central peacebond is going to make enemies cry as my warlock basically had self Gemini gester now
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I understand the hate towards Malfeasance but the one case where its insanely OP is in gambit with a Lucky Pants hunter. Melting the Primeval with that is insane. I can typically finish with 60-70% damage dealt to the primeval just with that hand cannon and blade barrage
As cool as this would be, I feel like Bungie wouldn’t like this unless they can stop it from being doubled up with overload/barrier mods when in artifact.
Hawkmoon having unstoppable/anti barrier on the Paracausal shot would actually be awful. Unstoppables only TAKE full damage when stunned so it would only do about 20% of what it could have but then you have to spend most of that time loading next shot x7 in time. Even then thats only one bullet per mag that stuns whereas every other Unstoppable weapons just requires ADS for a short time. As for anti-barrier, who would use a very limited mag to break a shield that would probably take 3 or 4 shots to break.
As someone who was already using Malf with Lucky Pants, I will gladly take this buff. And also want to see how bad of an idea it would be for the slug detonations to interact with Lucky Pants.
"if there's gonna be any synergy there" - LIGHTNING WEAVE - current middle tree arc hunter melee. After hitting something with it you gain crazy reload speed for 5s. Refreshes as long as you keep shooting sommething. I've already prepared a loadout revolving around it. It's going to be sick with trench.
Hopefully that collective obligation buff makes it much more viable now, it had a good concept but the only thing holding it back imo was that cool down system. I still hope bungie buff forerunner in the future for PVE, it’s slowly falling behind with other primaries and specials so it needs to get some nice changes to make it a worthwhile choice.
It'd probably be the one sidearm that Unstoppable would actually be good on tbh That being said I don't see very many out in the wild (just talking about low level pve stuff)
@@user-lv8dn8gw9z i use it a lot and it definitely needs a buff from a endgame content standpoint, as of now the best way to put it, you are handicapping you’re loadout for a hand cannon that can shoot farther and faster and that imo isn’t enough to warrant the use for most people.
I can see collective obligation being especially useful for Sentinel titans - with controlled demolition you can keep and spread both weaken and volatile quite easily. Use suppressor grenade for all three.
The omni oculus nerf hurts because it shows they could have tuned Renewal grasps separately for PVE and PVP but they just chose not to and nerfed it as a whole anyway. Really annoying, and I know they arent gonna revert it because of the people who say you just have to build into it (Or i can just build a better revenant build with a better exotic and more grenades with high resil for damage resist)
@@Bored__AF But not the damage resistance. That is unchanged in PvE. Even then, a cooldown increase was arguably warranted in PvE too. Without it, it’s capable of trivializing a lot of higher-end content because of how fast a duskfield can recharge. The threat of dying is slim to none and killing bigger targets becomes a hell of a lot easier, and we already have some powerful options to kill them with anyway. With a longer cooldown, picking and choosing what target is debuffed becomes important. There’s certainly an argument to be made that a cooldown of a glacier grenade is a bit much, but leaving it untouched could’ve been a problem at some point.
It all sounds great except for the Dead Man's Tale rework. In a nutshell, they are removing the damage buff and giving it something similar to the Hawkmoon catalyst. I am a DMT main in PvP and to me this seems like a bad change. First of all if Bungie wants it to be a fast firing hipfire gun then they should probably scale the firerate according to the amount of stacks you have, instead of only when at max stacks. Getting max Cranial Spike stacks almost never happens in PvP to the point where it will be useless 95% of the time. Even in 6v6 its still rare to get max stacks. The DMT range, aim assist, and even the reload speed increase on stacks are buffs to stats it really doesn't need. The range buff on stacks seems pointless to me because it is a scout rifle. Scout rifles are already effective at all ranges in PvP so it will not benefit the DMT in any meaningful way. More aim assist seems good on paper, however it is already extremely forgiving when aiming down the sights. I am not sure why it needs more aim assist if it does not struggle to hit heads. The reload speed bump seems nice but it really doesn't need it for PvP. Its empty reload is quite long but like a shotgun, it can be topped off. The DMT quickly loads 2 rounds at a time and can be topped off in between shots. This makes it so you never end up with a long reload. Trading the damage for stat bumps it doesn't need does not seem worth it to me.
Good call you know exactly what's up. Bungie is doing a pretty tall order if they think people are somehow not only going to get to 5x Cranial spike on the reg, but have the physical time to keep the buff alive and use that boosted 180rpm on a follow up target. Even if you did get the 180rpm boost, you're on such a narrow sliver of time to take advantage of it and with just avoiding the lane/backing away is a strategy, you're pretty much boned if you can't get the shots off and forced to repeat the process. It's not an easy task to a. chain heads, b. keep the 5x stack alive, and c. find people in immediate area to unload on. The other annoying thing with the removal of the damage buff was that DMT's spike was a strong enough counter to the ridiculous cheap, free and easy self heals and Overshields for days, you could easily punish someone and force a Resilience check if they dodged into cover, you got stacks of Cranial primed already , and stack some more for a killing blow. Now that's completely out of the picture. TLDR: Use Jade Rabbit or one of the handful of rarer legendary high impacts with godly rolls like Transfiguration. DMT with this change is going to be not great.
@@thealldayspecial Those are some really good points. They removed the reliability and consistency that made it good and replaced it with a perk that no one will be able to activate or capitalize on.
I just started using DMT more seriously this season, I fell in love with it, and I am pissed at these changes. If Bungie is serious about the changes they should bump the hip firing rate to 140 at base and have the bonus 40 rpm for the x5 cranial spike. The lack of a damage buff is certainly going to lower its consistency in my eyes.
Really happy to see Collective get buffed. I've always wanted to like it, even made a VoidLock build focused around it when I first got it to drop but I always felt like I could do more with a regular roll funnel-web, let alone a god roll. Hopefully this buff will really turn it into the monster I always wanted it to be.
Hmm I’m interested in the Wishender changes, for those of you who were playing back when it was bugged and hitting 5x per shot which made it absolutely monstrous, I hope this brings it closer to that lol.
Honestly the only use I’ve had for high impact autos is the Arrivals one being the only ricochet round weapon I had when I started doing 3 man DSC with the boys so I had to use it to ricochet Operator at Atraks and stuck with it since it actually felt decent to use, glad to see it get buffed tho
I was hoping Ticu's would get reworked to apply scorch on hip fired shots. I love the bow, but burn effects really feel out of place with scorch and ignition being a thing.
They should make all solar exotics apply scorch tbh.makes no sense for the old solar exotics to apply a weak as burn when they could be Appling scorch an than ignition.
This. Ticcus didn't need a draw buff, it needed scorch. Literally every single void weapon works with void 3.0 but with solar, you're kind of stuck with only a few weapons if you want to take advantage of the scorch mechanic
I was really hoping that with the release of arc 3.0, collective obligation would be reworked to change elements and leeching effects based on your equipped subclass. Like changing to a solar subclass made the gun do solar damage and applied scorch, restoration/cure and ignite. Stasis might be a bit awkward since 1. It's in the energy slot and an energy slot Stasis weapon might cause all kinds of spaghetti code problems. 2. Outside of slow and freeze I'm not sure what else it has since shatter comes from doing enough damage to frozen targets.
8ms that seems like a typo. Either they meant 720 which would put it in-line with other precision bows or it’s a preview to it getting a catalyst like archers tempo
I think wish enders anti champion capabilities will proc 2 times with 1 shot since it over penetrates targets and damages them twice on entrance and exit of an arrow, so if it can stun a barrier champion in 1 shot it will likely replace arbalist as the go to anti barrier weapon given it won't be limited by special ammo
@@formxr parasite can Potiental kill even huge Tanky Sponges with the right DMG effects and it's Exotic perk. Anarchy got Hit Hard with it's ammo nerf. So a Minor Buff Would help it keep up
To this day I run triple shotguns on my titan with the arc subclass I keep infinite ammo going and it’s so much fun. The build I run is enough to make gambit fun because being able to turn off your brain and go titan mode with shotguns and punches. It’s very nice.
Malfeasance still has not got enough love for PVE unfortunately, I doubt unstoppable proccing after 5 shots is going to make it any more valuable when other unstoppable sources only need a second or so. Such a shame, I love almost everything about that gun. Everything else in TWAB was pretty great!
I have a few really nice high impact rolls I just always hated how they felt, hopefully this patch fixes that for me bc they always just felt like worse precision frames to me
@@Epicdog696 not really. Infinite uptime 20% bonus damage, weaken, suppression, and volatile is really good. It also charges when people use void against you.
I'm going to have a fun time with acrius and stylish executioner. Sure, won't have as much damage all the time than font of might, but a melee for trench barrel AND a void debuff whenever sounds like a good time.
Collective obligation's "Kills on debuffed targets instantly charges void leech" is so intriguing, does it mean killing an enemy with suppression granades instantly charges it? Since it no longer has a cooldown, does it mean that it could potentially synergize with something to continuously activate the perk? Potentailly could become an A-S tier Pve weapon, Time to test it on the 23rd :)
All these intrinsic champion mods are nice on paper but I would never take of arbalest in gms unless there’s no barrier champions but then I would probably still use divinity over most other options
I have a couple herods from gambit that I’m looking forward to trying out with the buffs to the stability and intrinsic traits. I have a couple insane pvp rolls with high stability already too!😁
Hey Datto, I know you might not get to all the comments or make videos on all the topics you think of, but as a returning player who came back to walls of perks I don't recognize, I'd love a video going over "perks you want to like but don't" or just perks in general, what's "good", what has a niche, and what just gets outdone by other perks (like the Overflow versus Ambitious situation you mentioned).
That acrius buff is going to be insane with an arc well empowered peregrine greaves Titan. Collective obligation is gonna be so cool now. Make it feel like void season all over again. And if… (and it’s a big if) it’s kings fall malfeasance and wishender (and for corrupted nightfall) are gonna be the my play during contest mode with the extra champions plus the extra damage to taken.
That Wish ender and LoA buffs sounds so nice only let down fo me is that cloudstrike didn't get one. Like give it catalys with triple tap or fourth times would be nice.
Recently jumped into pvp again for the first time in a while, for several days not just a few matches, and I gotta say it certainly feels like snipers are firing through flinch a lot. But it's hard to tell whether it's just a matter of latency or the game itself, so I'm curious if there'll be any noticeable difference with this change.
Bungie is doing a good job bringing some life into these exotics I agree a lot of the lesser used ones need to have champion mods that will make room for other stuff u can put on your gloves
Believe it or not, Legend of Acrius is actually really good if you're running it with double aggressive shotguns. The triple shotgun loadout with Acrius beats out double slug with the new pellet buff
I hope more currently available weapons like Gunsmith/Faction weapons get their missing Intrinsic Traits. And maybe later I hope Moon and Dreaming City get a new trait.
I also hope we see traits for the older raids in the game. Would make them stand out more vs other legenadaries in the same archetype, which is something that raid legendaries that don't come from Vow definitely need.
The Ambitious Assassin changes mean it’s possible to have 3 shots in one mag for single shot grenade launchers and missile launchers, and I’m so ready for that
I hope with that whole hotswapping nerf that I can still use bows in an aggressive posture afterwards, that they fix the inconsistencies with Ticuus's scope being slightly off, kinda like old hardlight, and finally give Wishender a place in PvP outside of that one thing to make Igneous OP again.
@@YuriG03042 Agreed, but remember that Restoration is a keyword not unique to Loreley, so other exotics and subclass specific perks could come to proc it easier
Legend of Acrius after last pellet shotgun buff is already a really solid choice if you can get it to work, with trench barrel it’ll be an absolute close range monster.
All wish ender needed was a catalyst that added successful warmup to it so it could be good at what it is already ok at doing. I like adding more anti champion guns, but the only one that actually sounds like its worth anything is monarque.
Lemon arc OL might see some play in Void GMs. Thunderlord can't be used over Stormchaser currently unless you purposely want to be worse equipped. The others are irrelevant too. So 1 more possibly useable champ exotic
Thunderlord could see play in Arc GMs where you can't boss melt. It is gnarly for champion damage and majors clearing already, so this will make it a smidge better than running a random Arc Rocket that can do add clear in a pinch if you aren't on an NF that needs a boss melt to have a safe clear.
LeMonarque is already one of the best primaries to use in endgame. This just makes it better. Thunder lord will probably have some use during S18 WishEnder Anti barrier +50% damage buff PvE + 10% to Champs and Mini Bosses likely means it’ll OH GM anti barrier. (50% damage buff is from 3rd hit) We will have to see Malfeasance while useful, still doesn’t have that niche or use case. Very fun, but limited.
Acrius is weird in that it's RoF is exactly the same as it's reload speed for one shot, so you can shoot reload shoot reload at the same RoF as just shooting regularly.
Collective obligation rework is not a surprise, I got it and have literally never fired it, hopefully this'll be a reason to dig it out of my vault/collections
If Wish Ender got a catalyst, i think they should throw adaptive munitions on it, it's already a high damage weapon but I think it might compete with something like arbalest for shields/champions in GM level content
While I haven’t been playing much PvP this season, I knew Lord of Wolves was still good and has been good for several seasons in its normal mode. However I don’t get the nerfs to Release the Wolves, because when I tried it in PvE a few seasons ago in strikes, releasing the wolves made my shots fly all over my screen and probably not a single one hitting within my crosshairs or close to where I aimed. I just guessed that had to be what they did to nerf it back in the day and moved on. It wasn’t really that good in PvE without releasing the wolves, and I certainly wasn’t gonna be spraying randomly around me to try to be effective. Did they change this? When? Did releasing the wolves actually become viable again or was I seeing things? Because to me, this nerf to releasing the wolves, or Lord of Wolves in general, seems very unwarranted. A lot of things are good. Every time a META gets nerfed, something else that was always powerful will then become the new most powerful thing and will «need a nerf»… ffs.
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Tellin you guys now the Europa sidearm ‘High Albedo’ is nasty w Ambitious Assassin. I got a AA/Wellspring roll w a 36 mag that can now go to 90!? In combination w Swift Charge an Surprise Attack you will literally shred everything and always be CwL an have Abilities. Obvi the mods work w most sidearms but I used that setup most of BL an its really fun, maybe try it 🤷🏼♀️. Up to you to spec into more stacks of light and High Energy Fire as that will combine before you have to reload, which will subsequently proc more Surprise Attack bullets. Basically a never ending damage boost.
12:47 Hello, yes, that'd be me. Wish-Ender is one of my absolute favorite weapons in the game, and I have been wanting it to be buffed since release. Anti-Barrier felt like it was a natural thing to have on it when Champions got added, and finally getting that is just.... god yes
I’m in the same boat as you. As a bow user I fucking love wish ended. That intrinsic barrier just means I’ll take it with me in almost all nightfalls now
The fact it'll 3 tick to enemy structures such as barrier, it should deal even more damage than AB-Bow season a few months back
Seeing as it’s damage is split between entry and leaving, would it hitting most targets for a 3rd damage tick mean it’s getting a 50% damage increase?
@@gravitonlance3610 From how it was worded, I think so yeah. Just not against players/very small targets
Agreed. It was needed and I’ve also been waiting.
We definitely need more of this. Shake up the Nightfall scene by giving more exotics anti-champion mods. Love the direction things are going in!
Having some more exotic primaries to fall back to if you don't like the current rotation of primary weapon anti champion mods on the artifact is really nice too.
I still think they should add some general anti champs mods, even if just for primary weapons
It could be stuff like
Overload automatics (smgs, auto rifles)
Anti barrier semi (scouts, handcannons, bows ig)
Unstoppable burst (pulses obvs)
Or just use whatever sub divisions they used for the seasonal challenges (the calibration ones)
Even if these mods cost more energy than the seasonal ones it would at least allow people more variety
Yep these changes are great
promethium spur should cause an anti champion (all three) wave upon proc'ing
might make it worth not insta-deleting
I'm all for more intrinsic anti champ stuff. The most exciting one is Monarque being overload, finally there's a good option that's not Divinity.
Slight correction on Fighting Lion: The intended 5% buff to it was rolled back because of a bug, but the new buff they are giving to it was upped to 8% (total) over the previous 5%.
“If I had a nickel for every buff Malfeasance had over the last year I would have about 6 nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but I’ll use them more than I’ll ever use Malfeasance.”
- Heinz Dattoschmertz
I use malfeasance all the time, it's one of my favourite exotics. I didn't know it was bad.
@@rayswarnau3868 well if you slap with it its not that bad
Sounds like a you problem.
Honestly Malfeasance would be a lot better if the explosion procced on death *or* enough bullets, with a death-procced explosion being weaker based on the number of shots. That way it still does *something* against red bars
Seeing glaives get usability with melee exotics warms my frozen heart
Agreed. Such a shame it was overlooked from get-go, but better late than never.
Same here man, now I can eradicate trash mobs even easier!
Do they work with swash yet?
The Halo CE pistol feels *wonderful* with anti barrier sidearm, I'd love to see it get anti barrier intrinsically
That would actually literally be perfect since it does increased damage to unshielded enemies
@@Subsistence69 also every weapon in halo can basically eat shields so ay
@@btr1011 Legendary to the assault rifle Halo 3 onward: *Well ackshually..*
I just like having more Anti Champion options for running Lost Sectors and Nightfalls. And since Thunderlord is Arc, I may end up running with Arc 3.0, artifact mods willing.
I should probably finally pick up Malfeasance.
Yes, you should.
If you play hunter, malfeasance is a must since it pairs really well with lucky pants
@@jamfilledjars Ugh. I've been putting off because I'm on the Mote step. Between Gambit being Gambit and my match stability being inconsistent, I haven't been in the mood to finish it for maaaany seasons. But anti-champion options might push me to finish it.
@@defiantmars9910 Ah, I got it done as soon as I could during Forsaken. Alternate Corrupted strike was the worst part about that entire questline for me.
@@jamfilledjars amen
I was hoping Symmetry’s Revolution form would get the Overload treatment especially with all the Scout rifle buffs, but oh well
Honestly it probably be unstop
@@btr1011 it already was unstoppable at one point. Granted that was a bug but it still existed
@@thatguyyouhate3743 i know even without the bug the guns alt mode functions better as a unstop fire mode being it feels hevey hitting something with it
@@btr1011 Either could work but I just subconscously connect Arc/Electricity with overloading. Like I always assumed World Line Zero’s Arc Heavy attack would get the Overload treatment
I’m loving all the buffs to underperforming weapons rather than nerfing the good stuff to FORCE underperforming weapon utilization.
And separating Omni’s damage resist between PvE and PvP was a great move. I love Omni in GM, hate it in Trials.
Overall I’m really excited about these buffs coming, this was such a great read during my work lunch break!
Merc's 1st TWAB & Monarque gets buffed. Coincidence?
Definitely not suprised bow swapping didn’t get buffed too considering it was Merc💀
pretty sus. i guess i don't hate having a rock solid option for overload besides divinity (even though div is still insane)
Whoever this Merc guy is decided to give the shittiest exotics the anti champ intrinsic traits. Nobody is going to use thunderlord or malfeasance in a GM. Arbalest will still be the go to over wishender bow. The only viable exotic trait they added was ovl to LeMon
@@kyber7503 not everything needs to be insanely strong like arbalest options just open things up
@@Bigman33752 if the only exotic AB alternative to arbalest is a wishender bow that's not as strong as arby, then no one will use it in high endgame activities where DPS and quick/efficient takedowns matter
Le Monarque is about to become the new Arbalest. Osteo kinda saved overload smgs from being complete crap but It's nice to to know we have another guaranteed strong overload option aside from Div.
Also hope we get and arc round artifact mod to pair with arc 3.0 and thunderlord. Could be nuts.
Fun fact, the poison damage ALONE from Le Monarque can stun overloads (based on past Overload bow seasons) so Monarque getting Overload by default is a much bigger deal than some people may realize
You know, i love these balancing changes. Remember when arbalest was hot trash? now it's amazing. Remember when Vex was amazing? Now it's just good. These changes really bring the LIVE to the SERVICE GAMES.
Vex was always "just good" particle deconstuction just made people think it was better than it was.
@@ShadowNova300 Exactly. People get deceived by the game so easily.
Not gonna lie, the change to skulking wolf means they don't have to tune the Hunt system for Skulking Wolf every season while also making a coveted Origin trait
PS, my range central peacebond is going to make enemies cry as my warlock basically had self Gemini gester now
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I understand the hate towards Malfeasance but the one case where its insanely OP is in gambit with a Lucky Pants hunter. Melting the Primeval with that is insane. I can typically finish with 60-70% damage dealt to the primeval just with that hand cannon and blade barrage
Believe it or not Malfeasance is also amazing in Mayhem, no matter the range you can fight just about any roaming super and win
Yeah I kept getting melted by malfeasance in PvP. That Insta kill is op
I've been doing that since last season it's so good
riven as well tbh...i guess
Malfeasance ain't even top 10 🤣
Can’t wait to bust out my Collective Obligation & become a mf terror. I loved it already, but this buff is just nuts.
looking for the smart ones in here😈
I wish Hawkmoon could get an unstoppable/anti barrier shot effect on paracausal shot
As cool as this would be, I feel like Bungie wouldn’t like this unless they can stop it from being doubled up with overload/barrier mods when in artifact.
@@JaimieWFYT they already can. every single intrinsic champ exotic gets over ridden with champ mods.
@@Drianikaben I thought it was the other way around?
Hawkmoon having unstoppable/anti barrier on the Paracausal shot would actually be awful. Unstoppables only TAKE full damage when stunned so it would only do about 20% of what it could have but then you have to spend most of that time loading next shot x7 in time. Even then thats only one bullet per mag that stuns whereas every other Unstoppable weapons just requires ADS for a short time.
As for anti-barrier, who would use a very limited mag to break a shield that would probably take 3 or 4 shots to break.
@@Drianikaben Instrinsics are always prioritised over mods - you can't turn an intrinsic barrier into something else, that's never how it's worked.
As a scout rifle main in PvP let me tell you.... Snipers almost always shoot through flinch.
Its becoming a real problem tbh.
Depends on your RPM
Yeah it's insane that I can use a vigilance wing shot a sniper with 5 bullets an they say sorry kid I'm a mlg sniper an shot me through flinch.
As someone who was already using Malf with Lucky Pants, I will gladly take this buff. And also want to see how bad of an idea it would be for the slug detonations to interact with Lucky Pants.
i love the le monarque change so much we finally have a consistent overload option and its a really good one too
"if there's gonna be any synergy there" - LIGHTNING WEAVE - current middle tree arc hunter melee. After hitting something with it you gain crazy reload speed for 5s. Refreshes as long as you keep shooting sommething. I've already prepared a loadout revolving around it. It's going to be sick with trench.
Hopefully that collective obligation buff makes it much more viable now, it had a good concept but the only thing holding it back imo was that cool down system.
I still hope bungie buff forerunner in the future for PVE, it’s slowly falling behind with other primaries and specials so it needs to get some nice changes to make it a worthwhile choice.
It'd probably be the one sidearm that Unstoppable would actually be good on tbh
That being said I don't see very many out in the wild (just talking about low level pve stuff)
@@user-lv8dn8gw9z i use it a lot and it definitely needs a buff from a endgame content standpoint, as of now the best way to put it, you are handicapping you’re loadout for a hand cannon that can shoot farther and faster and that imo isn’t enough to warrant the use for most people.
I can see collective obligation being especially useful for Sentinel titans - with controlled demolition you can keep and spread both weaken and volatile quite easily. Use suppressor grenade for all three.
I'm not gonna lie, everything about that buff screams "raid exotic S tier in GMs" for collective, and I'm very happy about that since it's a fun fun
Its a fun fun gun gun
Man that Collective Obligation buff is nice! If only I had the gun! *after 30 runs I am in shambles*
The omni oculus nerf hurts because it shows they could have tuned Renewal grasps separately for PVE and PVP but they just chose not to and nerfed it as a whole anyway. Really annoying, and I know they arent gonna revert it because of the people who say you just have to build into it (Or i can just build a better revenant build with a better exotic and more grenades with high resil for damage resist)
They did tune renewal separately in pve and pvp
@@thatguyyouhate3743 no. Cooldown increase is the same in both.
@@Bored__AF But not the damage resistance. That is unchanged in PvE.
Even then, a cooldown increase was arguably warranted in PvE too. Without it, it’s capable of trivializing a lot of higher-end content because of how fast a duskfield can recharge. The threat of dying is slim to none and killing bigger targets becomes a hell of a lot easier, and we already have some powerful options to kill them with anyway. With a longer cooldown, picking and choosing what target is debuffed becomes important.
There’s certainly an argument to be made that a cooldown of a glacier grenade is a bit much, but leaving it untouched could’ve been a problem at some point.
It all sounds great except for the Dead Man's Tale rework. In a nutshell, they are removing the damage buff and giving it something similar to the Hawkmoon catalyst. I am a DMT main in PvP and to me this seems like a bad change.
First of all if Bungie wants it to be a fast firing hipfire gun then they should probably scale the firerate according to the amount of stacks you have, instead of only when at max stacks. Getting max Cranial Spike stacks almost never happens in PvP to the point where it will be useless 95% of the time. Even in 6v6 its still rare to get max stacks.
The DMT range, aim assist, and even the reload speed increase on stacks are buffs to stats it really doesn't need.
The range buff on stacks seems pointless to me because it is a scout rifle. Scout rifles are already effective at all ranges in PvP so it will not benefit the DMT in any meaningful way.
More aim assist seems good on paper, however it is already extremely forgiving when aiming down the sights. I am not sure why it needs more aim assist if it does not struggle to hit heads.
The reload speed bump seems nice but it really doesn't need it for PvP. Its empty reload is quite long but like a shotgun, it can be topped off. The DMT quickly loads 2 rounds at a time and can be topped off in between shots. This makes it so you never end up with a long reload.
Trading the damage for stat bumps it doesn't need does not seem worth it to me.
I playin with dmt 1.5 years and damn they killed my beloved gun
Good call you know exactly what's up. Bungie is doing a pretty tall order if they think people are somehow not only going to get to 5x Cranial spike on the reg, but have the physical time to keep the buff alive and use that boosted 180rpm on a follow up target. Even if you did get the 180rpm boost, you're on such a narrow sliver of time to take advantage of it and with just avoiding the lane/backing away is a strategy, you're pretty much boned if you can't get the shots off and forced to repeat the process. It's not an easy task to a. chain heads, b. keep the 5x stack alive, and c. find people in immediate area to unload on.
The other annoying thing with the removal of the damage buff was that DMT's spike was a strong enough counter to the ridiculous cheap, free and easy self heals and Overshields for days, you could easily punish someone and force a Resilience check if they dodged into cover, you got stacks of Cranial primed already , and stack some more for a killing blow. Now that's completely out of the picture.
TLDR: Use Jade Rabbit or one of the handful of rarer legendary high impacts with godly rolls like Transfiguration. DMT with this change is going to be not great.
@@thealldayspecial Those are some really good points. They removed the reliability and consistency that made it good and replaced it with a perk that no one will be able to activate or capitalize on.
I just started using DMT more seriously this season, I fell in love with it, and I am pissed at these changes.
If Bungie is serious about the changes they should bump the hip firing rate to 140 at base and have the bonus 40 rpm for the x5 cranial spike. The lack of a damage buff is certainly going to lower its consistency in my eyes.
Ive absolutely loved DMT since it came out, Im with you on this one. Look at how they’ve massacred my boy 😭
Need a bigger wishender buff, remember how much everyone loved it in shadowkeep when it was bugged in pve only and doing like 3x damage
The only time I enjoyed gambit
Actually I think it was 12x damage not sure.
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Really happy to see Collective get buffed. I've always wanted to like it, even made a VoidLock build focused around it when I first got it to drop but I always felt like I could do more with a regular roll funnel-web, let alone a god roll. Hopefully this buff will really turn it into the monster I always wanted it to be.
Hmm I’m interested in the Wishender changes, for those of you who were playing back when it was bugged and hitting 5x per shot which made it absolutely monstrous, I hope this brings it closer to that lol.
Honestly the only use I’ve had for high impact autos is the Arrivals one being the only ricochet round weapon I had when I started doing 3 man DSC with the boys so I had to use it to ricochet Operator at Atraks and stuck with it since it actually felt decent to use, glad to see it get buffed tho
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Interesting that they mentioned Parasite by name in the Heavy GL buff but not Anarchy
Oooh. 😱
Dead man’s tale is one of the few kinetic primaries I still use in PVE. It’s a lot of fun and I’m very excited to see how this rework shakes out.
The rework should make it really good since in pve since it is keeping the damage increase in pve so I really hope its good in pve again.
I was hoping Ticu's would get reworked to apply scorch on hip fired shots. I love the bow, but burn effects really feel out of place with scorch and ignition being a thing.
They should make all solar exotics apply scorch tbh.makes no sense for the old solar exotics to apply a weak as burn when they could be Appling scorch an than ignition.
This. Ticcus didn't need a draw buff, it needed scorch. Literally every single void weapon works with void 3.0 but with solar, you're kind of stuck with only a few weapons if you want to take advantage of the scorch mechanic
I was really hoping that with the release of arc 3.0, collective obligation would be reworked to change elements and leeching effects based on your equipped subclass. Like changing to a solar subclass made the gun do solar damage and applied scorch, restoration/cure and ignite.
Stasis might be a bit awkward since 1. It's in the energy slot and an energy slot Stasis weapon might cause all kinds of spaghetti code problems. 2. Outside of slow and freeze I'm not sure what else it has since shatter comes from doing enough damage to frozen targets.
unbelievable hype for collective obligation buff 🙏🙏🙏
im actually hyped for the zoom stat on dire cuz it needed it
8ms that seems like a typo. Either they meant 720 which would put it in-line with other precision bows or it’s a preview to it getting a catalyst like archers tempo
Age old bond that I have has 100 range. Can't wait for this stability buff!
With arc 3.0 coming Stochastic Variable with Wellspring update is looking rather spicy right now.
My drang gonna love that
With the enhanced perk unlimited nades 🤓
I think wish enders anti champion capabilities will proc 2 times with 1 shot since it over penetrates targets and damages them twice on entrance and exit of an arrow, so if it can stun a barrier champion in 1 shot it will likely replace arbalist as the go to anti barrier weapon given it won't be limited by special ammo
That GL buff means an Anarchy buff too, unless they forgot to mention it alongside Parasite.
Parasite has a nasty DMG modify effect. So Ararchy will like a buff too
@@tensedart3470 Wut
@@formxr parasite can Potiental kill even huge Tanky Sponges with the right DMG effects and it's Exotic perk. Anarchy got Hit Hard with it's ammo nerf. So a Minor Buff Would help it keep up
@@tensedart3470 Oh ya for sure. Anarchy could use 10%
To this day I run triple shotguns on my titan with the arc subclass I keep infinite ammo going and it’s so much fun. The build I run is enough to make gambit fun because being able to turn off your brain and go titan mode with shotguns and punches. It’s very nice.
Malfeasance still has not got enough love for PVE unfortunately, I doubt unstoppable proccing after 5 shots is going to make it any more valuable when other unstoppable sources only need a second or so.
Such a shame, I love almost everything about that gun.
Everything else in TWAB was pretty great!
@Urazz 180s don't even feel like handcannons tbh, might as well use devils ruin.
I have a few really nice high impact rolls I just always hated how they felt, hopefully this patch fixes that for me bc they always just felt like worse precision frames to me
I always enjoy your TWAB videos
I already love Collective Obligation so I'm excited to see these buffs :)
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Malfeasance my beloved, im so glad they gave it the unstoppable
Acrius meta. In all my life as a titan, i have never cried so many tears of joy.
Collective Obligation is basically Void Riskrunner now
but worse
@@Epicdog696 not really. Infinite uptime 20% bonus damage, weaken, suppression, and volatile is really good. It also charges when people use void against you.
literally what does it even have to do with riskrunner, other than being an exotic primary? doesn't give damage reduction nor has infinite ammo
I'm going to have a fun time with acrius and stylish executioner. Sure, won't have as much damage all the time than font of might, but a melee for trench barrel AND a void debuff whenever sounds like a good time.
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They probably did Thunderlord because of Arc 3.0. We’ll have to see if there’s any interaction between them that boosts it even further
Collective obligation's "Kills on debuffed targets instantly charges void leech" is so intriguing, does it mean killing an enemy with suppression granades instantly charges it? Since it no longer has a cooldown, does it mean that it could potentially synergize with something to continuously activate the perk?
Potentailly could become an A-S tier Pve weapon, Time to test it on the 23rd :)
All these intrinsic champion mods are nice on paper but I would never take of arbalest in gms unless there’s no barrier champions but then I would probably still use divinity over most other options
I have a couple herods from gambit that I’m looking forward to trying out with the buffs to the stability and intrinsic traits. I have a couple insane pvp rolls with high stability already too!😁
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Hey Datto, I know you might not get to all the comments or make videos on all the topics you think of, but as a returning player who came back to walls of perks I don't recognize, I'd love a video going over "perks you want to like but don't" or just perks in general, what's "good", what has a niche, and what just gets outdone by other perks (like the Overflow versus Ambitious situation you mentioned).
That acrius buff is going to be insane with an arc well empowered peregrine greaves Titan.
Collective obligation is gonna be so cool now. Make it feel like void season all over again.
And if… (and it’s a big if) it’s kings fall malfeasance and wishender (and for corrupted nightfall) are gonna be the my play during contest mode with the extra champions plus the extra damage to taken.
Is le monarque getting the draw and perfect draw buff too? Even though it's both a precision and a lightweight?
That Wish ender and LoA buffs sounds so nice only let down fo me is that cloudstrike didn't get one. Like give it catalys with triple tap or fourth times would be nice.
Triple enhanced Lasting Impressions, chill clip!!
Recently jumped into pvp again for the first time in a while, for several days not just a few matches, and I gotta say it certainly feels like snipers are firing through flinch a lot. But it's hard to tell whether it's just a matter of latency or the game itself, so I'm curious if there'll be any noticeable difference with this change.
Bungie is doing a good job bringing some life into these exotics I agree a lot of the lesser used ones need to have champion mods that will make room for other stuff u can put on your gloves
Believe it or not, Legend of Acrius is actually really good if you're running it with double aggressive shotguns. The triple shotgun loadout with Acrius beats out double slug with the new pellet buff
I hope more currently available weapons like Gunsmith/Faction weapons get their missing Intrinsic Traits. And maybe later I hope Moon and Dreaming City get a new trait.
I also hope we see traits for the older raids in the game. Would make them stand out more vs other legenadaries in the same archetype, which is something that raid legendaries that don't come from Vow definitely need.
As a Wish Ender enjoyer I find these patch notes very pleasing.
I will stand by every primary exotic could use intrinsic anti-champion. This is a great start
Shit. LOA was really good post pellet buff, Trench barrel might nuke bosses
Acrius is gonna go crazy next season I'm calling it
I liked the Gambit Origin invader tracking perk though...that was fun
legend of acrius is going to be a beast in GM I can feel it
I really hope you're right. I came into destiny a year ago and I've been waiting for it to shine.
The Ambitious Assassin changes mean it’s possible to have 3 shots in one mag for single shot grenade launchers and missile launchers, and I’m so ready for that
I hope with that whole hotswapping nerf that I can still use bows in an aggressive posture afterwards, that they fix the inconsistencies with Ticuus's scope being slightly off, kinda like old hardlight, and finally give Wishender a place in PvP outside of that one thing to make Igneous OP again.
As a fun counter to restoration in PvP, overload halts regen and stops ability cooldowns.
All that to say, watch Le monarque usage skyrocket
classy restoration is going away when these changes take place, so Le Monarque will only have Loreley to contend with.
@@YuriG03042 Agreed, but remember that Restoration is a keyword not unique to Loreley, so other exotics and subclass specific perks could come to proc it easier
Legend of Acrius after last pellet shotgun buff is already a really solid choice if you can get it to work, with trench barrel it’ll be an absolute close range monster.
Heart of Inmost Light -> void grenade debuff, barricade -> empowered melee x2 -> shield bash -> follow up with 3 acrius trench barrel shots. Primeval melter.
All wish ender needed was a catalyst that added successful warmup to it so it could be good at what it is already ok at doing. I like adding more anti champion guns, but the only one that actually sounds like its worth anything is monarque.
Lemon arc OL might see some play in Void GMs. Thunderlord can't be used over Stormchaser currently unless you purposely want to be worse equipped. The others are irrelevant too. So 1 more possibly useable champ exotic
@Casted_Shadows I mean it's gimmicky and kinda cute for sure, not really GM worthy though
Thunderlord could see play in Arc GMs where you can't boss melt. It is gnarly for champion damage and majors clearing already, so this will make it a smidge better than running a random Arc Rocket that can do add clear in a pinch if you aren't on an NF that needs a boss melt to have a safe clear.
@@Technizor Not with Stormchaser as it is. SC isn't just for boss melt, it also deletes champs
I'll take it to any gm if we get OL submachines/autos again lol
LeMonarque is already one of the best primaries to use in endgame. This just makes it better.
Thunder lord will probably have some use during S18
WishEnder Anti barrier +50% damage buff PvE + 10% to Champs and Mini Bosses likely means it’ll OH GM anti barrier. (50% damage buff is from 3rd hit) We will have to see
Malfeasance while useful, still doesn’t have that niche or use case. Very fun, but limited.
Excited to try our Wish ender, as I haven’t used that thing since its bug back in season of dawn way long ago
Holy shit that wellspring buff.
So many amazing buffs coming next season. I'm actually hyped for it!! 👍👍
Acrius, my sweet summer child…
The stars are aligning.
Arc 3.0, divinity, TRENCH BARREL, and well of radiance.
It is your time. Go. Destroy them all.
Acrius: that one hunter gauntlets that reload on melee hit or the stasis fragment that allows you to do that. sounds like a good combo to me
Acrius is weird in that it's RoF is exactly the same as it's reload speed for one shot, so you can shoot reload shoot reload at the same RoF as just shooting regularly.
I am planning a Liar’s Handshake or melee build and will happily try Legend of Acrius with it.
Personally I love using Malfeasance having anti barrier over unstoppable would have been preferable but hey a buff is a buff.
I think it makes more sense since there aren't any common taken barrier champs (usually only see taken hobgoblins and taken phalanxes)
I can’t believe that Le Monarque is one that they decided needed to be better, permanent Overload Bow is gonna be awesome
Collective obligation rework is not a surprise, I got it and have literally never fired it, hopefully this'll be a reason to dig it out of my vault/collections
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If Wish Ender got a catalyst, i think they should throw adaptive munitions on it, it's already a high damage weapon but I think it might compete with something like arbalest for shields/champions in GM level content
dont give a fk about pvp nerfs but god forbid if hunter exotics get pve weapon synergy, oh hell no
Great changes overall!
Acrius is actually nutty good right now, trench barrel is legit putting it into og ghorn levels of nasty
Holding you to this
Does Trench Barrel stack with Radiant? If so, Legend of Acrius may be better than it sounds with the caty.
thankyou very much for the info Datto much appreciated
While I haven’t been playing much PvP this season, I knew Lord of Wolves was still good and has been good for several seasons in its normal mode.
However I don’t get the nerfs to Release the Wolves, because when I tried it in PvE a few seasons ago in strikes, releasing the wolves made my shots fly all over my screen and probably not a single one hitting within my crosshairs or close to where I aimed. I just guessed that had to be what they did to nerf it back in the day and moved on. It wasn’t really that good in PvE without releasing the wolves, and I certainly wasn’t gonna be spraying randomly around me to try to be effective.
Did they change this? When? Did releasing the wolves actually become viable again or was I seeing things? Because to me, this nerf to releasing the wolves, or Lord of Wolves in general, seems very unwarranted. A lot of things are good. Every time a META gets nerfed, something else that was always powerful will then become the new most powerful thing and will «need a nerf»… ffs.
Datto inviting pals over for a bbq: “Yeah it starts at around 5, we’re gonna have Hoat Doags, Hamburgers, I’ll make my signature pote of baked beans, for dessert we will have froasties, and I’ll set up a cozy bone fire. 😃”
Tellin you guys now the Europa sidearm ‘High Albedo’ is nasty w Ambitious Assassin. I got a AA/Wellspring roll w a 36 mag that can now go to 90!? In combination w Swift Charge an Surprise Attack you will literally shred everything and always be CwL an have Abilities. Obvi the mods work w most sidearms but I used that setup most of BL an its really fun, maybe try it 🤷🏼♀️. Up to you to spec into more stacks of light and High Energy Fire as that will combine before you have to reload, which will subsequently proc more Surprise Attack bullets. Basically a never ending damage boost.
All I've ever wanted is the Sparrow Racing League. Intrinsic anti-champion on most Exotics is a close second tho.
I’ve been using CO for a bit…these buffs will make it a monster
LoA with Liar's Handshake might be interesting. Punch, shoot, dodge reload-- repeat?
Is anyone else excited about malfeasancem? It's gotta be one of my favorite looking weapons in the entire game
I pretty much exclusively run either malfeasance or DMT, so I'm super excited
Wish-Ender is my favorite weapon so I’m very happy.
This twab absolutely activated my almonds.
Good stuff all around.
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Malfeasance is going to be one of my main weapons now