I got into an argument with someone recently over his van and national speed limits. He drives a transit and I said he needs to be aware that on national speed limit roads the speeds for vehicles the size of vans and larger are different than for cars and motorbikes. I told him dual carriage ways are max 60 miles per hour and single lanes are max 50 miles per hour. He said I was wrong and now he’s doing a speed awareness course 😊
In my experience a lot of car drivers don't know about this either and they drive so close up my arse on these roads that the only way I know that they are there is the shine of the lights around my vehicle XD
It relates to the weight ( MAM ) and vehicles in excess of 3500Kg are subject to the lower limits , besides AN vehicle towing a trailer , and larger HGVs can be subject to even lower limits on certain roads . Also vehicles over 3500 Kg are not permitted to use certain roads ( such as the West Approach Rd in Edinburgh ) and of course attention has to be given to weight restrictions on certain bridges . Other less well known restrictions include that in any work vehicles it is illegal to smoke in them in Scotland , because such vehicles are classed as being the workplace , so workplace smoking restrictions can apply in lorries , vans , buses , taxis and company cars ; in addition it is illegal to smoke in ANY VEHICLE where children under the age of 14 are present .
In my rural area there are loads of people who do this. You get stuck behind them doing 40 on a 60MPH road, and then when it changes to 30 as you go through a village they continue on at the same 40PMS speed. 🤷♂️
I notice many people doing this. I think they are driving in their comfort zone; the fastest speed for the road they are on which feels safe (to them). They clearly only care about speed when they notice speed cameras so it’s a purely selfish act. Don’t care about anyone else.
And so annoying when the overtake you in a 20 or 30, then do 40 everywhere else in the National. Hold back, deep breath, and put radio 4 on 😡@@robg521
I can always remember the last time I was done for speeding, 36 in a 30, in a hgv, in Chelmsford at about 2am. There was a diversion through the town as the main dual-carriageway was closed, the sign was very clear "40" as you turned off the roundabout. About a mile in at a crossroads the speed limit changed to 30, but the sign on the left (just before the lights) was integrated into a large square sign with directions, and the speed sign was completely covered by ivy. The sign on the right side of the road was missing completely. There were signs into both the left and right turn of the crossroads, both of which were 30. After going through the junction the next 3 side roads, 2 leading into a housing estate, 20 signs, and the other (on the right) leading to a small business park (car sales), 30 sign. A few hundred yards further on there was a small reminder sign on the left, folded in half and unreadable - reminder sign to me said it's still 40. Another few hundred yards ahead another side street into a larger housing estate road showed 30 on both sides of the turn in, and just past it was another reminder sign - this time turned backwards (and also unreadable). On the right was 1 more turn off the main road which, after a further parallel road (back to those car dealers) was 20 into a tight housing estate. Just past that was a speed camera... 4 of us in the same company were caught within an hour, all diverted off the main dual carriageway. None of us were ever in the habit of speeding - we get paid by the hour! Cameras on the trucks showed, if paused in the exact right spot, where the 30 sign should have been (found it on google maps) and there were 2 frames where a tiny amount of the Red Circle was visible (filmed at 30fps 1080p), and showed every other repeater sign was removed and the side road speed limit signs had been turned backwards - showing 30 if we left the road. (the angle wasn't quite right - but only noticeable if you paused the video at the right spot and looked closely) We were SO miffed that 4 of us were caught, and the companies legal team said we could fight it, but we'd have to take a day off and they wouldn't provide a solicitor. Cost of day off £150 + £250 solicitor = £400 + possibility of a guilty verdict and fine and points and BIGGER insurance bill. Cost of driver awareness course £95... No brainer.
The company should have provided a solicitor for that one. It's situations like that that allow the 0:06 government to act like they do. The situation should've never occurred.
@@zerocool278 No appeal. Too expensive to fight, too expensive to appeal. And as I (and the others) had zero points, £95 for a re-education day camp was MUCH cheaper and easier than the MASSIVE cost of potential loosing. Fingers crossed and another year to go and "IF" I ever get caught again I can do another course rather than a fine and points. Points, I believe, cost an extra £150-200 per point, per year, for the time they're on your licence... HGV drivers automatically get more points than normal drivers, meaning even more cost... So 6 points = £1000 extra insurance over the 5 years until it clears + a probable £500-800 fine from the court + Solicitor fee's... No point going through that just to be right. And the only reason we could have been sure, was our company has good camera's all over the trucks... How many others did they get?
The company did send the video to the prosecuting police force. Who weren't interested, insisting none of us had points and we weren't bring taking through the court... only the speed awareness camp.
@@SuperAd1980 You wouldn't need a solicitor to fight this one in front of a magistrate, no problem with representing yourself. I've done it myself and got a 95-110 in a 70 charge down to 85 in a 70, so just points and a fine. But if your company are not going to kick up a fuss about the drivers getting a speed awareness course then it's probably just worth taking it and sitting through the three hours being told you are a naughty boy.
Ashley, I drive HGV/LGV and this video reminded me of a TM I had a few years ago, she pulled me into the office one day and went through the tracking of my journey a few days previous. and she said I had been speeding on the M9 motorway, she said I had been doing 58mph at the time when in her words the speed limit for an HGV was 56mph. She was not for accepting it when I pointed out the speed limiter for the truck is 56mph for any road unless signs dictate otherwise, but the actual speed limit on a motorway in the UK for a truck is 60mph. it took 3 days 2 other TM's and a highway code book to convince her otherwise, thankfully she is no longer with the company.
Impatience around speed limits is a big cause of problems on the road. I have found it to be very common A) for drivers to tailgate in a speed limit area and B) to overtake when you enter into a speed limit area.
Yes this and also when speed limits change on a 2 lane road just after a junction or something. I always wait until I'm at the sign before accelerating but get swamped by people who speed up too early, only to end up doing the same speed I want to do when the limit changes.
Just to add to that - if you're in Wales, what Ashley said about 30 mph regions applies to 20 mph regions and not to 30 mph regions. In 30 mph regions you will see repeater signs (the dinner plates). In 20 mph regions you will not. If there are roads that "oscillate" between England and Wales (I'm sure I haven't used the right word here but I think I can be understood and I am not sure what the right word is), it would be interesting to know what happens to them, though I suppose they would mainly be trunk routes and as such would have a specific speed limit or be national speed limit roads. Ashley, I never have actually seen a minimum speed limit sign before, so it was nice to see that! I've seen it in the Highway Code but that's the only place I've ever seen it. Thanks!
Solution to the Welsh / English confusion is easy-peasy. Let's make 20mph the default limit in urban areas in England too, then we can focus on places where 30mh exceptions are appropriate ! Our new Government seems to be quite thoughtful about long-term strategy, so I am hopeful that things will be less confused compared to the last one where the Transport Minister set some of his policy on conspiracy theories.
Thanks for this comment. When I last drove in Wales I was always getting confused thinking I'd just missed the speed change back to 30 due to the lack of repeater signs. I'm used to driving in Bristol where there's also a lot of 20 limits, but with plenty of repeaters
It isn’t just attention being taken away when turning into a junction that speed limit changes are missed, it can also be the sign has been completely covered by a tree that the local authority hasn’t trimmed for years, or it has been knocked off by a large vehicle and not replaced. But yes, all to common it is simply inattentive driving which is why, in my opinion, the January 2022 update (not talking about the lack of communication or publicity of the changes) were a good thing as it _should_ make drivers slow more before turning and therefore see everything at the junction before turning, including signage. One thing that is often overlooked in this “must get there half hour ago” world
I've heard, though never tested the information, that in the event of one or both signs being obscured, the limit cannot be enforced (as opposed to does not apply). As I say, I wouldn't want to have to defend that in court, but just now, I passed a 50 mph sign - that I already knew was there - where one sign was completely obscured, the other was a deep shade of green. That is really common round here, and I'm told the LA/Highways really don't like the public cleaning them to make them visible.
@@PedroConejo1939That is one thing I wouldn’t want to put to the test! There is one near me that you may know on the lanes towards Repton. The signs are covered by trees and the paint on the road is either faded or obliterated into potholes. It catches a few drivers out and some do wonder why I am slowing from 50mph to 40mph The LA’s can be hard work sometimes. They don’t want anyone cleaning them yet if your hedge grows around one then you must cut and clean it 🤷🏻♂️
I completely agree with the point about the signs being missed at junctions. I often miss them because of focusing on the other things, usually things that are potential hazards. Thankfully, I can do a quick check on the sat-nav, though I recognise that's not 100% accurate. I do like it if there the limit-change signs are either well before, or somewhat after a junction. In truth, you're rarely going to get into too much trouble for speeding in that gap.
I often wonder if all speed limit changes should be marked like they are in some villages. 30mph in 300 yards… 30mph in 200 yards… 30mph in 100 yards… 30mph now And for side roads just a gentle sign facing the direction of travel on the main road to say 20mph with a left arrow. They do it for other things like humps, bridges and width restrictions so why not speed limits? It would take away the added cognitive load of turning into a side road from a faster carriageway
@@smilerbobone issue though, this intelligent (effing stupid) speed assist system can't tell the difference between advance warning and actual commencement signs. Could cause lots of either auto braking or beeping in affected vehicles
@@Gingerharry2011 Ah, the so called driving assistance technology that neither assists nor drives. They could, with some cooperation between manufacturers and sign makers, do something with those signs so onboard technology doesn’t pick them up. Such as an invisible square around the sign that only the cameras see, or 4 dots around the circle. But we know that will never happen as that requires common sense and companies to share technology between themselves. You would’ve thought the industry would have leanred from the EV debacle where there are different charging pods for different vehicles that aren’t compatible between each other. By all means have different ideas but cohesion between companies and having a standardised platform for all is the only way things will work better Apologies for the rant, I write software but also work with people who don’t share what they have done so you end up reinventing the wheel as it were to then find out the two pieces of software don’t work together
@@smilerbob It would cost too much to start adding a bunch of signs on the lead up to a junction telling you the limit is going to change and would vastly increase sign clutter. There also isn't a proscribed sign that could be put up to do this so a new one would need to be designed. You would also have people complaining that a limit wasn't signed correctly when they get caught at a limit that isn't signed like this, which is one of the reasons you are not allowed to add 30mph repeaters (or 20mph in Wales).
15:18 “You can’t accelerate until you’re passed the signs” I wish everyone on motorways would understand this that when the limit is 40mph and you are approaching the NSL sign…you still need to be doing 40mph at that sign not accelerating up to NSL (different limits for different vehicles) to be at speed at the sign For reference…I am talking the enforced limits that are on smart motorways not the advisory limits on standard motorways 👍
@@Jonc25 Travelling the motorway network overnight I became accustomed to the speed restrictions, lane restrictions and generally poor signage for nothing. There was one occasion where I we were all shunted to lane 3 with red X’s in lanes 1 and 2 with a speed restriction of 50mph imposed. It transpired they had scheduled some overnight roadworks that got cancelled but the system still set all the motorway signage 🤦♂️
We are fortunate that we have speed cameras just before the temporary speed limits on some roads returns to national speed limits. In some it creates the opposite problem of people slamming their brakes to 40mph, when they were already doing at or below the 50mph speed limit.
I wish everyone was aware that you can't accelerate up to the new limit AFTER after you passed the sign on any road. Also that you have to decelerate down to the new limit BEFORE you reach the sign. To be fair, sometimes you don't get much warning of a change, and sometimes the change can be drastic but that won't cut much mustard with Police.
The distance between lampposts setting the speed limit comes from the Road Traffic Act of 1934. This said that any road with street lamps not more than two hundred yards apart was a built up area unless otherwise stated by signs. This was to repeal the 1930 RTA which removed all speed limits for the average car. 😮
Useful video as ever Ashley. I like that you mentioned a scenario I commented on under another video: check your mirrors before accelerating at a change (up in limit). I was in a 30 zone, coming up to a NSL sign, checked my mirrors before accelerating and saw a BMW driver behind me just starting an overtake BEFORE he was allowed to. I held off (even lifted off the accelerator) until he was safely past. The frustrating thing is, I was then stuck behind him doing 50 mph in a 60 limit. Had he not pulled that illegal manoeuvre, and had I not responded by waiting for him, I could have been well away and he would not have been held back. Still, make it a non-event, right? 😀 Yes, in-car systems are not very accurate. Mine seems to think a local 40 mph is actually a 70 mph limit! And the cameras usually miss the change in speed limit signs when I turn into side roads, usually beause the signs are right at the entrance to the side road so they are not in the camera's field of view. SCOPE FOR A SPEED LIMITS ULTIMATE PART 2 PERHAPS? It would have been interesting to see you cover the fact that speed limits are different depending on different vehicles. If you are driving a van, for example, the default speed limit on a single carriageway road is 50 mph (10 mph less than cars). On a dual carriageway, the van speed limit is 60 mph while cars are 70 mph. Also speed limiters are worth mentioning: fitted to certain vehicles as mandatory, and will be fitted to cars from July 2024. Finally, worth mentioning that many speed limits (such as on flashing gantries) are only advisory UNLESS they have the red circle around them, in which case they are mandatory. The key thing to remember is always to drive at a safe speed regardless of limits: you need to be able to safely stop in the distance you can see to be clear, for example. And, in poor weather, reduce speed. In France the speed limits are dropped if the cars need to use their windscreen wipers. Not a bad idea but unenforceable in the UK I think.
Interesting video Ashley, thank you for it. Like the reference to dustbin lids and dinner plates! I think similar applies with repeaters in national speed limit areas as with 30mph limits but in reverse. What I mean is on a rural road if there aren't street lamps and there are no repeaters it's probably a national speed limit. If there are streetlights and it's a national limit you probably will see repeaters confirming that (though not on a motorway).
Love your videos mate,as a car driver,motorcyclist and cyclist in my later years it’s never too late to learn and watching your vids keeps me on my toes. My last motorcycle was a Triumph and it was from Triumph Chester which was actually in Chester then not in North Wales where it is labeled now 😂
I appreciate the addition of the minimum speed limit being shown, if I am being honest I never knew what this sign was and always overlooked it thinking it was for something else
For an 'Ultimate Guide', a few things were missed. Temporary limits (e.g. due roadworks), changeable limits (e.g. on smart motorways), differing limits based on size of vehicle, limits on slip roads/on-off ramps, limits on private land (e.g. supermarket carparks), advised limits on sharp bends on motorways, to name a few
Quite funny you talking about carriageways, as I literally had this conversation with someone getting ready for their theory test in the last week. We discussed the oddities around it, such as there are some 4 lane dual carriageways that aren't motorways and some very rare single lane dual carriageways/motorways - the latter can be found on a short section of the A329(M) as it crosses the M4. Just as an aside as well, I find a lot of people miss that it is a speed *limit* not a speed *target*. There are many occasions where the posted limit will be an unsafe speed to be driving at.
i guess it depends upon which traffic is allowed on the road. The new section of A14 was built to a motorway standard but is still classed as dual carriageway, even with 3 lanes. Perhaps it was intended to be a motorway and the plans were changed.
A nice tip is also to look for when speed limit signs are NOT there. If you are on a larger road and look into a side street and there are NO 30 signs, then you are also on a 30 limit on the larger road (as there are no signs to change the limit). I also wish that there were more 30 repeater signs. This is all about safety, so why no reenforce the 30 limit, especially on roads that suggest a higher speed, or that have recently changed to 30.
another good reminder video, i think it's always good to be reminded of things even if your a driver of many years. I live in Cambridge and there is a well known road called the A1307, it has a 50mph section under average speed camera's. And then we have a dual carriageway again under average speed camera's but a national speed limit and you'll be amazed at how many drivers either sit at the 50mph has that's the zone they have just left or they think it is 60mph because they don't understand the difference.
The A38(M) Aston Expressway. 7 lanes: 3 travelling each direction and a central "tidal flow" lane that can change direction depending on the time of day. No central reservation. 50 mph.
@@grimsbyhackney479 I like to think that most people who watch the videos are at the better end of the skill set of drivers (not perfect, no one is, but I have a feeling most of us know what we are doing)
I don't think you've looked at the comments on many of his videos, or indeed seen any of the Viewers Fails videos. My opinion is that most viewers are honest about their own weaknesses, but comment on things they have learned to avoid doing (often as a result of failing) or methods to stop the problem developing.
Here's a variation for you: in our 3.5 tonne campervan, the national speed limit on single carriageway roads is 50 mph; on non-motorway dual carriageways it is 60 mph, but on Motorways the full 70 mph is allowed. I think this is something to do with Light Goods regulations... We have a 3rd party combination SatNav/Dashcam designed with extra campervan software that reminds us of those restrictions
That’s almost correct If your campervan is purpose built and has a laden weight of 3.05t or lower car speed limits apply If your campervan is a converted campervan from say a commercial van and as you say has a 3.5t weight then as you said above treated as goods vehicle All info on logbook or on vin plate anyway
I recall a road with two speed limits just outside Redditch. If you drove towards Redditch it was 30 if you drove away from Redditch it was a 40 limit. Took the council a few years to get their act together. Lamp post distances was taught in the 80’s and was part of the driver manual in the early 90’s.
Few extra things Ash, I always reiterate that Built Up doesn’t mean buildings. Loads of people think a built up area is houses, pavements etc but, in terms of speed, it’s any road that has a continuous chain of streetlights & no other signage. Like you said on the wide road, it’s 2 lane dual Carriageway but it’s a 30. Scotty rd is a classic for that. Cheesy phrase I use is “ always go off signs, not scenery “ meaning think of lampposts etc, not what the road look like. 30 repeaters will be in 30 limits when there isn’t street lighting so, for example, a hamlet / village in a rural area where either side is national speed limit. May be worth doing a video on advisory speed signs also, the ones that haven’t got a red circle around them.
I wish someone told the people in Northern Ireland that this is how it's supposed to be. Here we have stretches with street lights that are national limit (60mph) without repeaters. To slow to 30 mph just because there aren't repeaters would be deadly.
Had this problem recently 40mph road heading into a city with average speed cameras on literally almost every lamppost, doing 35, for ages, along the road I spotted a kid on a scooter and was paying attention to him possibly going in to the road. Then I spotted a 30mph repeater sign. Went back over my dashcam footage and saw the change of speed sign that I missed (altjough even this was smaller than usual). Now have to wait to see if I get an NIP. Really annoying as I was being cautious.
I've experienced this issue with speed limit signs on the entrance to roundabouts in an area I've not driven before. Following a satnav coming off a dual carriageway, I went from studying the large directional signs for confirming I was going where I wanted to go to looking to my right to see that it's clear to join and across the roundabout and to the left where I wanted to exit. The speed limit signs were where I'd expect give way signs to be, and as I know I'm giving way, I don't need to look at them. I only realised I needed to look for them when I passed the first repeater sign, and those seem to be few and far between here in NI in some places, and it happened twice coming from 2 different directions, once a national to 40 mph (single carriageway), but fortunately I was behind other traffic that time so hopefully I wasn't exceeding that, but the other was national to 50 mph on a dual carriageway, and I had a clear overtaking lane that I was making use of. I don't know if there's potential for irony here as I was checking the area in person for parking etc ahead of jury service, so I was driving to a courthouse.
As was taught to me way back in the mists of time, "New road, new limit?". What can mess things up a bit is something I see a lot of here, the limit on the "main" road will drop for a roundabout, usually at a point where you are already well below the new lower limit for the junction. Then minor roads off the roundabout will either have that new limit, or a completely different one that may be higher or lower than both the roundabout, and the main road. The lamppost information is valid. In the absence of other information, the limit is 30 if lampposts are present. The legal term is "restricted road", which I believe dates back to the times of there being no speed limits elsewhere, they having been abolished in 1930. The Road Traffic act introduced restricted roads and the 30 limit in 1934 and made them permanent rather than having to be annually renewed by parliament in 1956 (when 40 & 50 limits were introduced, with mandatory repeaters), and the national speed limit introduced in 1965, along with the 70 limit for motorways. So, in general, without repeaters, lampposts are a valid indicator of speed limits. The only real confusion can come from whether a stretch of road has a "system of street lamps", or whether it is just a collection of lamps at say a junction. But then a junction where street lamps are deemed necessary is likely worth an adjustment of speed anyway. Then there is the potential for confusion with the blanket 20 limit in Wales that is now under review as 30 and NSL are the only two limits that do not require repeaters. I just checked my dates, and found out something else interesting. When speed limits were abolished in 1930, road fatalities went down, and went back up again with the introduction of the the 30 limit in 1934.
Would be good to do something that raises awareness of the different speed limits that apply to vans etc. Also, for example, travelling down the A90 which has average speed cameras and some van drivers don’t realise they are exceeding the speed limit for a dual carriageway. Cheers.
Distinguishing a single from a dual carriageway - a useful tip for explaining the difference is "the football test" - if you can roll a football across the road from one side to the other without being impeded by a central reservation, strip of grass, etc. then it's a single-carriageway, but if the structure of the surface of the road is separated and interrupted then it's a dual-carriageway. Is this a good guide to single vs dual?
The legal definitions 'built up area' and 'restricted road' re 30mph limits in terms of the Road Traffic Regulation Act do include specifications for the distance between lamp-posts. It's explained in detail on the Wikipedia page for 'built up area (Highway Code)'
Which means dual carriageways with enough lamp posts should be 30. But clearly that is insane so that law is not as clear cut as that. Like the A55 at 53.2345235,-3.179994, standard dual carriageway, loads of lights. But clearly not in an urban area and with national speed limit signs.
@@sIightIybored There are NSL repeaters on that stretch of road, 53°14'23.9"N 3°11'13.1"W for example. Since it's the North Wales Expressway there are even 70 signs in some stretches but not in that particular area.
@@sIightIybored Think you need to look up the definition of National Speed Limit. It's defined under The 70 Miles Per Hour, 60 Miles Per Hour and 50 Miles Per Hour (Temporary Speed Limit) Order 1977.
@@andyalder7910 the answer to my question was in the Road Traffic Act 1960, the dual carriageways are trunk roads that didn't have lighting installed before 1957. Otherwise they would be 30mph.
Great driving by the untaxed Astra (KD53 VPE) - he managed to drive over the hatch markings (there for a reason) all to make up two spaces in the queue - probably saved a whole 10 seconds there.
4:15 A handy supplementary warning that you are on a 30 mph road and that a safety camera is ahead. This will generally be fixed or occasionally vans that regularly set up in business.
I can't see much of an issue with speed limits in the UK 1. You get a fair deal: All speed cams are bright yellow by law (as well as police when checking speed). Traps are not allowed (like in the rest of Europe). 2. Most newer vehicles have a speed limiter that you can set accordingly. Nice tool, very helpful and you can just keep your foot down.
Nice one Ashley, good video as always Unfortunately the motorway you’re thinking of was downgraded in 2006 and is today a 50 limit. It’s the road off M60 J8. The (temporary permanent) one at the end of the M58 at Orrell is still there though and was definitely 70 the last time I drove it. There’s also the Walton Summit spur off the M61/M65 roundabout as well. Another weird quirk with speed limits is the ones on non motorway special roads like the A55 around Colwyn Bay and Conwy. Those have no maximum speed limit so have to be signed with 70 signs and repeaters instead of national speed limit ones.
1. The single carriageway motorway you're thinking of in Manchester was the A6144(M), it was downgraded to an A road after the M60 upgrade about 9 years ago. I think it had a 50 mph limit. 2. I like the French approach to making repeater speed limit signs more explicit by marking them with "Rappel". French roads tend to have much clearer speed limits fwiw. 3. The bit about people not knowing the NSL grinds my gears, so many times I've been on a nice NSL A road and there's a massive tailback because someone's diligently sticking to 40 for no good reason. They'll then proceed to reach a village and continue to do 40 in the 30. 🙄
Worth noting with NSL roads if you are driving a commercial vehicle/HGV, they will be a 50 mph limit for a single carriageway and a 60 mph limit for a dual.
Surrey CC introduced speed bumps on many 30mph roads many years ago. The nearest main road to me has them but of course the council won't contribute for the extra wear and tear on my suspension because it needs replacing/repairing earlier than it should. It's also causing more pollution and noise for the residents living on the road as people slow then speed up when negotiating the bumps
spacing of street lamps Traffic Regulation Act 1988 s81 an offence to exceed 30mph on a restricted road, s82 defines a restricted road as having street lamps spaced not more than 200m apart, somewhere there is a definition of street lamps being 3 or more. S81 does not apply to special roads, motorways, ad the road authority can amend the speed limit om restricted roads and sign it. Hope this clarifies the confused not on street lamp spacing near the end
It always amazes me Ash, about the road you mentioned in the south Liverpool that has a maximum speed limit sign when you go through the lights at Morrisons. I use this section everyday. The majority of ignorant motorists that are unaware of the speed limit. Is it because if you are going in the opposite direction to this carriageway the speed limit is lower and they are just ignorant of the fact.
The signs on the driver's side are 4epaerter signs, with those on the passenger side being the one that counts. Repeater signs are put in on roads where it's not clear what the speed limit is, i.e. a lit road with a speed limit other than 30mph. The size of the sign is also dependent of the road type (single carriageway, dual carriageway or motorway) and speed of the road.
Maybe it would also have been worth mentioning that NSL signs are not the same for all road users, eg it may be 60 for a car but 50 if towing a caravan or trailer, that being the reason the white disc with black diagonal line is used rather than stating an actual speed. Otherwise an excellent video.
Worth also noting the speed limit of 40mph only begins when you are almost in the tunnel, by the police check-point (the same point the exiting speed limit drops from 40 to 30mph) and not at the entry from Scotland Road where the sign says “start of Mersey Tunnels bye laws”.
There was a 30 sign on the left as you turned into Hornby Road. Just shows how easy they can sometimes be to miss. I've found when I'm in an area I'm new to and turn into a road not knowing the speed limit, it's because I've rushed the junction a bit too much. I try to review driving problems and faults I make like that thanks to your videos. Getting a bit anxious and feeling rushed at new (to me) junctions has been a problem for me
When i did my HGV, the instructor told me that signs are on exits to junctions, so if you are doing your mirrors and observations they can be hard to spot with the high workload for a learner.
A46 leaving Alcester has national speed limit signs and sinhla track road, then it open out to a dual carriage way. Presumably the speed limit changes from 60 to 70 at the point the dual carriage way starts. Most people stick to 55-60 as there is average speed cameras for miles.
The National Speed Limit varies depending on the size of vehicle you're driving, and whether or not you're towing something. It's not as simple as 60 or 70 mph depending on single or dual carriageway.
Just a few observations of mine… Few drivers slow to the max speed indicated ahead before they pass the sign. Likewise few keep at or just below the speed limit they are leaving before they pass the sign for the next section…if you do, you may get overtaken. There’s also, a growing minority of drivers that don’t speed up for the speed limit they are in. I have noticed an increase in this on my work route….50 zones and drivers doing 35-40….without any other traffic in front of them….very strange.
It's amazing how some people 1. Can't identify speed limits, 2. Don't know the difference between gateway and repeater signs, 3. Don't even see the signs and finally 4. When they do see them, think they have a better understanding of the risk so ignore them
Would love to see you drive on some national speed limit, single lane, dual carriageways. I used to teach on one near Drayton Manor theme park, that used to catch so many people out. Sadly it got dropped to 40, like so many other roads.
Hi Ash, I think the road in Manchester you are referring to could be the A57(M) - If you head east into the city centre using the M602 Reagent Road, and then turn south onto the A57(M) there is a long stretch of road which is a dual carraigeway but set to 30mph.
Speed limits are interesting, in Europe there is a default speed in urban areas of 50 KM/H (around 30 MP/H) which is assumed for every urban road unless a sign specifies otherwise - however, the next junction will nullify that sign and unless there's a repeater sign past the junction, it will automatically revert back to the general limit of 50. Quite different to the UK where the speed limit on a limit applies until a new sign changes it. Personally, I prefer the UK one where junctions don't nullify the sign.
Except where the national speed limit applies (motorways and dual carriageways), the rule of thumb is that all other roads are a 30mph limit unless otherwise instructed. I was taught this on my first day of learning to drive in 1994, but it tells you this in the highway code.
I like the works vehicle I drive that detects the speed limit signs as I drive past and displays it on the speedo as a red mark. I then set this on the speed limiter. I do look out for changes in limit and bring my speed down to the reduced limit as I pass the post. I play a game where I try to judge the speed drop and use the regenerative braking to bring the speed down in the distance without coming off the accelerator and needing to apply the brakes.
The one in Manchester is off the M60. I used to do lessons on it with my driving instructor back in 2016. I was probably the only learner driver doing 70mph in the north west, legally anyway.
National speed limit on a dual carriageway is 70mph & learners have always been allowed on those. An Ax(M) road has the same regulations & restrictions applied as any other motorway.
I think that the exception in Manchester may have been the Carrington Spur Road A6144(M), now the A6144 since 2006. I think due to its Motorway status it was 70mph even though it is a single carriageway. However it is now 50mph since loosing it's Motorway status.
it bears mentioning that in the US, nearly every speed limit sign you see will give you a number. you will only very rarely see a sign saying "end speed limit" or "end XX MPH speed limit." and should you be visiting the US, our signs are white rectangles that say either speed XX or speed limit XX.
Ashley; I love your work and videos and this is a really important topic that does indeed justify its own dedicated video but if you are open to constructive feedback I would like to suggest this is not the best narration you have ever done; you were focused on driving, other hazards and giving us extra tips; I think if you wiped the audio and did a clearer concise voice/over your important messages on this subject y be a lot clearer and easier to follow. Yes I am an armchair commenter who has no idea of the time and effort that goes into making and editing such a video so feel free to ignore this suggestion!
Yeah, something that's not common here is the minimum speed limit. For example, in Portugal, motorways have a minimum speed limit of 50kmh. And the different lanes usually have different minimum speed limits. If a A road (called IP - itinerário principal) or a motorway (auto-estrada), going through a mountainous terrain, and have 3 lanes, the right lane is for trucks (no minimum speed limit), the middle lane will have a minimum speed of 70kph and the left lane (for overtaking) will have a minimum speed of 90kmh.
sorry one other thing speed bumps/cushions - yes used on 20mph roads but also very prevalent on residential roads with 30mph limits to reduce traffic speed. the introduction of the 20mph limit has confused this a bit as many residential roads have had the limit reduced but the bumps preceded this.
Apologies for my absence in the comments for this video from yesterday. Was out all day with very good friends, which did me the world of good after losing my Mum recently. I'm watching this video now on Sunday morning with great interest. Just didn't want Ash or this group in general to think I've lost interest. That will most certainly never ever happen with Ashley's channel.
@@ashley_neal Thank You very much Ash. I do try to keep up with both my viewing as well as comments. As you know, quite often when one of your videos comes in, I'm at some event and will make a point of commenting as such and that I'll "catch up soon". A bit more difficult to do that when out amongst friends, out of courtesy to them. Speaking of events, next month I'll be attending Everything Electric South at Farnborough International. Although I'm sticking to my petrol car, this show is huge and as well as showcasing a massive range of EV's, also has a great deal about energy in the home. Last year my Mum and I bumped into Quintin Wilson, as he's a guest speaker at the show and will be there again this year. I even have a photo with him from last year, to add to my photos with the famous in the world of motoring, including your good self at the NEC of course. Do look up "Everything Electric South". If you click on "Theatres" there's also a list of all the many stage presentations that are on for each of the 3 days. Interestingly, this same show is on back in my other homeland of Vancouver Canada and last year at Farnborough, I actually met the organizer of the Vancouver show. They came over to learn more about the UK show and take that knowledge back to Vancouver for the show over there.
You asked about 70 mph limit signs: there are explicit 70 mph speed limit signs in places in Scotland, typically motorway sliproads, and I think (I could be wrong - it's been a decade) that there were some on the motorway this side of the Channel Tunnel. You spent quite a time on single vs dual carriageway roads but I think you should also have addressed single-track roads. At least in Scotland they are no different from dual-track roads and the speed limit for single-track NSL roads is 60 mph; I don't know about the rest of the UK. Lower limits can be imposed. Lastly I think you should have emphasised a basic point: the speed limit is a limit, not a target.
9:22 You may be thinking of the former spur A6144(M) in Carrington, Manchester, which was about 1 mile long, and was a single carriageway. It's no longer the case (downgraded from a motorway to an A road and 50mph), and the only such motorway now is the A38(M) in Birmingham. (Aston Expressway)
There's a single carriageway motorway somewhere, with a lane separating traffic at all times but which lane separates the traffic can vary in order to enhance throughput. Think the speed limit is 50 though.
16:35 technically any road that has street lights every 200 yards or less is classed as a 30mph zone unless there are signs saying otherwise but obviously we’re not going to pull over and measure 200 yards to find out if it’s a 30mph zone or not, like you say speed limits change all of the time and they’re not going to waste time effort and money when a new speed limit sign is put up.
There’s a 60mph dual carriageway in Telford. The A442 Eastern Primary. The speed limit was lowered due to the number of accidents that were happening on it
It was the A6144(M) Carrington spur, which linked a roundabout from the A6144 to J8 of the M60. Long sliproads from the M60 to the A6144 would have performed the same role & these would have had a motorway classification right up to the roundabout with the A6144,so I guess this was the thinking behind making it a motorway. It has been de-classified now & is no longer a motorway. I guess this was simply a change of thinking?
True, but as I said in the email, I had a car very close behind me and did touch the brake pedal but decided my best course of action was to not brake check the close car behind, and continue through.
Always amazes me that people make up their own rules about certain roads, I argued with someone once on a short stretch of 30mph dual carriageway, they said they always do 40mph there, I said "it's still a 30 limit', and their only argument was "but it's a dual carriageway" 🤷♂️
It surprised me, when helping to run a driving course, how many people firmly believed that the national speed limit signs, in Milton Keynes, meant that the speed limit was 40mph. They took some convincing that it was 60mph on a single carriageway road.
The UK is far to ambiguous towards speed limits, poorly maintained, poorly lit, and designed to catch anyone out where there are speed cameras. needs a complete overall and rethink.
Well the UK has the 12th safest roads per 100,000 inhabitants. Better than Germany and most other European countries. I equate this to the lower speed limits and technical nature of our roads as well as our very defensive driving. Most drivers don't have as much tolerance for poor driving here as opposed to France or somewhere were you just ignore it and carry on with your day.
@@cornishalps9870but you don't equate it to the limit of slower speeds due to the amount of traffic on UK's roads? There are lies, damned lies and statistics as Mark Twain said and you can't judge a countries driving standards by statistics alone. I've driven extensively in Europe over the last 30 plus years, particularly in France and Germany. Germans tend to be rule followers and stick to speed limits more than we do here. Their approach to cyclists is exemplary and having cycled more in Germany than the UK, I've never felt under pressure by drivers. Germany is a nation of cyclists or rather, people who ride bikes. They have to give way to cyclists and pedestrians in ways that require attention rather than making it idiot proof like we do here, an example being traffic lights at crossroads. We stop the traffic completely to allow people to cross whereas a driver turning right on a green light has to give way to pedestrians there. It seems to work and keep the traffic flowing. They sensibly turn off traffic lights in some places at night or when traffic flow is low. Thing is, you treat people like idiots and they end up acting like them. I won't talk about Belgium. That's another universe as is Italy.
I'd guess the source of the spacing of the lampposts idea is that in places where the speed limit can reasonably be expected to be lower, they also use less powerful streetlamps, spaced closer together, to give more even and less harsh lighting. it's interesting that the speed limits there are more road by road. in my part of he states, and in most I've been through, the majority of a town will have a single speed limit. so, for example, except for one odd stretch of highway, the entirety of my town is a 30 MPH speed limit. I keep expecting them to reduce that one stretch to 30, as well. the common exception is school zones.
On the topic of single and dual carriageway national speed limits. There's an odd section of road near me, where it's a single carriageway national speed limit, so 60mph. But it changes to a dual carriageway (on the same straight road) for about 500m before then reducing to a 50mph limit, but still on the same dual carriageway. I often see people speeding up to 70mph after it becaomes a dual carriageway, but they stay at 70mph even after the 50 sign, until the roundabout not much further down the road. People just seem to ignore the 50mph sign and keep speeding up to 70.
With that M56 speed limit of 110 - it would actually be reasonable for that to be 110kph, which is 68.35 mph - pretty close to the actual motorway speed limit in the UK.
5:42 is a speed camera warning sign with the speed limit shown, it is illegal for the Council to post a normal "dinner plate" sized 30 repeater sign in a 30 MPH area that has street lights. The Street light rule is very important, at least to whoever puts the signs up. You will note speed limit signs overriding it on main roads where the road is lit for example, often noticed on fast unlit roads that have lit junctions. Section 82(1)(a) (of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (RTRA 1984)) defines a restricted road in England and Wales as a road which is provided with "a system of street lighting furnished by means of lamps placed not more than 200 yards apart". Section 81 specifically makes it an offence for a person to drive a motor vehicle at a speed of more than 30 mph on a restricted road. Example of incorrect signage, WA16 0UA. Single carriageway so NSL is 60 but they have 60 signs rather than (unneeded) NSL ones. It isn't a Special Road where the limit has to be posted since NSL does not apply, e.g. North Wales Expressway.
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That bit about lamp posts vs speed was something that driving instructors you used to say up until the mid/late 90's to give you a guide if you were unsure about the speed limit in built up areas and it went the closer the distance between lamp posts generally dictates that the limit is 30 mph in built up areas the further apart they are set would generally suggest that the limit was 40. It was as I said only a guide not a hard and fast rule to follow.
Honestly, if battles me that some drivers can’t tell the difference between a single carriageway and a dual carriageway, some drivers think it’s related to the number of lanes, it has nothing to do with that, a single carriageway doesn’t have a central reservation, a dual carriageway has a central reservation, it’s as easy as that.
One of the few locations that I can remember a Minimum Speed sign was on the A40 - Westbound - near Northolt. It was also designated as a Clearway. Of course; things will certainly have changed since my last journey along that stretch of road. Double Red Lines did not exist back in the 1970's to the best of my recollection.
I don't remember the minimum limit in Northolt, but the A40 has had so many changes to the limits. Even now coming into London approaching the Polish you have different limits in each direction.
Got a notice of prosecution in the post for doing 48 in a 40 on the A406 in north west London. Speed limit was 50 and changed to 40, was driving at night and must have missed the signs so was completely unaware. Took a driver awareness course.
00:17, the oncoming car is doing the same as Ashley ! 8:26, single carriage way road, national speed limit is indeed 60 except..... and the exceptions were not listed and so a driver trying to do 60 gets impatient with a driver doing 50 as the impatient driver is unaware of the speed limit governing the vehicle in front. What about motorway speeds. Would have helped if the speed limits for other vehicles had been discussed. That was no way the ultimate guide to speed limits.
I recently encountered a taxi going 50mph in lane 2/2 on a 70mph dual carriageway, while I was stuck behind a lorry and parallel to said taxi. Needless to say i had to 'undertake' it and ovetake the lorry to give myself appropriate space.
Good video as always thanks. Now it seems on motorways they can put up one single large speed limit change sign. And not necessarily on both sides. Just a Stupid confusing move without telling us. All entrapment.
One thing I have noticed is 20mph zones usually housing estates or large residential areas don't have repeater signs within them, only at the point of entries do they have a sign stating it's a 20mph zone .
20 zones are a special case where, instead of 20 repeaters, traffic calming measures can be installed at certain intervals instead. Zones are supposed to be self-enforcing. Normal 20 limits do need repeaters.
I read, several years ago, that speed limits can't decrease by more than 30 MPH. i.e. a 70 limit can't end and become a 30 limit. Have you heard of this ?
I got into an argument with someone recently over his van and national speed limits. He drives a transit and I said he needs to be aware that on national speed limit roads the speeds for vehicles the size of vans and larger are different than for cars and motorbikes. I told him dual carriage ways are max 60 miles per hour and single lanes are max 50 miles per hour. He said I was wrong and now he’s doing a speed awareness course 😊
In my experience, a significant number of van drivers don't know/care about this, and I'm not talking about the ones with a second row of seats.
In my experience a lot of car drivers don't know about this either and they drive so close up my arse on these roads that the only way I know that they are there is the shine of the lights around my vehicle XD
@@ezziz4084 You're right. I'd like to change my answer to 'it's pretty much universally unknown'.
As a van driver, this rule is a load of bollocks. Meanwhile those SUV EVs weight more then a transit and still allowed to do 70mph.
It relates to the weight ( MAM ) and vehicles in excess of 3500Kg are subject to the lower limits , besides AN vehicle towing a trailer , and larger HGVs can be subject to even lower limits on certain roads . Also vehicles over 3500 Kg are not permitted to use certain roads ( such as the West Approach Rd in Edinburgh ) and of course attention has to be given to weight restrictions on certain bridges . Other less well known restrictions include that in any work vehicles it is illegal to smoke in them in Scotland , because such vehicles are classed as being the workplace , so workplace smoking restrictions can apply in lorries , vans , buses , taxis and company cars ; in addition it is illegal to smoke in ANY VEHICLE where children under the age of 14 are present .
Just do 40mph all the time, seems to work very well for many road users.
In my rural area there are loads of people who do this. You get stuck behind them doing 40 on a 60MPH road, and then when it changes to 30 as you go through a village they continue on at the same 40PMS speed. 🤷♂️
I notice many people doing this. I think they are driving in their comfort zone; the fastest speed for the road they are on which feels safe (to them). They clearly only care about speed when they notice speed cameras so it’s a purely selfish act. Don’t care about anyone else.
@@robg521you beat me to that, I was just about to make the same comment 😂
@@robg521I swear I see this exact comment all the time 😂
And so annoying when the overtake you in a 20 or 30, then do 40 everywhere else in the National. Hold back, deep breath, and put radio 4 on 😡@@robg521
I can always remember the last time I was done for speeding, 36 in a 30, in a hgv, in Chelmsford at about 2am.
There was a diversion through the town as the main dual-carriageway was closed, the sign was very clear "40" as you turned off the roundabout.
About a mile in at a crossroads the speed limit changed to 30, but the sign on the left (just before the lights) was integrated into a large square sign with directions, and the speed sign was completely covered by ivy. The sign on the right side of the road was missing completely. There were signs into both the left and right turn of the crossroads, both of which were 30.
After going through the junction the next 3 side roads, 2 leading into a housing estate, 20 signs, and the other (on the right) leading to a small business park (car sales), 30 sign.
A few hundred yards further on there was a small reminder sign on the left, folded in half and unreadable - reminder sign to me said it's still 40. Another few hundred yards ahead another side street into a larger housing estate road showed 30 on both sides of the turn in, and just past it was another reminder sign - this time turned backwards (and also unreadable).
On the right was 1 more turn off the main road which, after a further parallel road (back to those car dealers) was 20 into a tight housing estate.
Just past that was a speed camera...
4 of us in the same company were caught within an hour, all diverted off the main dual carriageway. None of us were ever in the habit of speeding - we get paid by the hour!
Cameras on the trucks showed, if paused in the exact right spot, where the 30 sign should have been (found it on google maps) and there were 2 frames where a tiny amount of the Red Circle was visible (filmed at 30fps 1080p), and showed every other repeater sign was removed and the side road speed limit signs had been turned backwards - showing 30 if we left the road. (the angle wasn't quite right - but only noticeable if you paused the video at the right spot and looked closely)
We were SO miffed that 4 of us were caught, and the companies legal team said we could fight it, but we'd have to take a day off and they wouldn't provide a solicitor.
Cost of day off £150 + £250 solicitor = £400 + possibility of a guilty verdict and fine and points and BIGGER insurance bill.
Cost of driver awareness course £95... No brainer.
Did you appeal and if you did what was the outcome?
The company should have provided a solicitor for that one. It's situations like that that allow the 0:06 government to act like they do. The situation should've never occurred.
@@zerocool278 No appeal.
Too expensive to fight, too expensive to appeal.
And as I (and the others) had zero points, £95 for a re-education day camp was MUCH cheaper and easier than the MASSIVE cost of potential loosing.
Fingers crossed and another year to go and "IF" I ever get caught again I can do another course rather than a fine and points.
Points, I believe, cost an extra £150-200 per point, per year, for the time they're on your licence... HGV drivers automatically get more points than normal drivers, meaning even more cost...
So 6 points = £1000 extra insurance over the 5 years until it clears + a probable £500-800 fine from the court + Solicitor fee's... No point going through that just to be right.
And the only reason we could have been sure, was our company has good camera's all over the trucks... How many others did they get?
The company did send the video to the prosecuting police force. Who weren't interested, insisting none of us had points and we weren't bring taking through the court... only the speed awareness camp.
@@SuperAd1980 You wouldn't need a solicitor to fight this one in front of a magistrate, no problem with representing yourself. I've done it myself and got a 95-110 in a 70 charge down to 85 in a 70, so just points and a fine. But if your company are not going to kick up a fuss about the drivers getting a speed awareness course then it's probably just worth taking it and sitting through the three hours being told you are a naughty boy.
Ashley, I drive HGV/LGV and this video reminded me of a TM I had a few years ago, she pulled me into the office one day and went through the tracking of my journey a few days previous. and she said I had been speeding on the M9 motorway, she said I had been doing 58mph at the time when in her words the speed limit for an HGV was 56mph. She was not for accepting it when I pointed out the speed limiter for the truck is 56mph for any road unless signs dictate otherwise, but the actual speed limit on a motorway in the UK for a truck is 60mph. it took 3 days 2 other TM's and a highway code book to convince her otherwise, thankfully she is no longer with the company.
Impatience around speed limits is a big cause of problems on the road. I have found it to be very common A) for drivers to tailgate in a speed limit area and B) to overtake when you enter into a speed limit area.
Yes this and also when speed limits change on a 2 lane road just after a junction or something. I always wait until I'm at the sign before accelerating but get swamped by people who speed up too early, only to end up doing the same speed I want to do when the limit changes.
Very true, the frustration element has not been correctly judged in the blanket implementation of 20 mph limits.
@@youknow6968that was pure ideology!
@@androidcaller7902 what was?
@@youknow6968 I think he meant the 20mph limit(s) are pure ideology. I might be wrong though.
Just to add to that - if you're in Wales, what Ashley said about 30 mph regions applies to 20 mph regions and not to 30 mph regions. In 30 mph regions you will see repeater signs (the dinner plates). In 20 mph regions you will not.
If there are roads that "oscillate" between England and Wales (I'm sure I haven't used the right word here but I think I can be understood and I am not sure what the right word is), it would be interesting to know what happens to them, though I suppose they would mainly be trunk routes and as such would have a specific speed limit or be national speed limit roads.
Ashley, I never have actually seen a minimum speed limit sign before, so it was nice to see that! I've seen it in the Highway Code but that's the only place I've ever seen it. Thanks!
Minimum speed limits are often signed on multi lane roads in many mainland European countries. They often apply to only one lane.
Meander would be a good choice. 👍
The only place I've seen a minimum speed sign is in a tunnel - probably the Dartford tunnel.
Solution to the Welsh / English confusion is easy-peasy.
Let's make 20mph the default limit in urban areas in England too, then we can focus on places where 30mh exceptions are appropriate !
Our new Government seems to be quite thoughtful about long-term strategy, so I am hopeful that things will be less confused compared to the last one where the Transport Minister set some of his policy on conspiracy theories.
Thanks for this comment. When I last drove in Wales I was always getting confused thinking I'd just missed the speed change back to 30 due to the lack of repeater signs. I'm used to driving in Bristol where there's also a lot of 20 limits, but with plenty of repeaters
It isn’t just attention being taken away when turning into a junction that speed limit changes are missed, it can also be the sign has been completely covered by a tree that the local authority hasn’t trimmed for years, or it has been knocked off by a large vehicle and not replaced.
But yes, all to common it is simply inattentive driving which is why, in my opinion, the January 2022 update (not talking about the lack of communication or publicity of the changes) were a good thing as it _should_ make drivers slow more before turning and therefore see everything at the junction before turning, including signage. One thing that is often overlooked in this “must get there half hour ago” world
I've heard, though never tested the information, that in the event of one or both signs being obscured, the limit cannot be enforced (as opposed to does not apply). As I say, I wouldn't want to have to defend that in court, but just now, I passed a 50 mph sign - that I already knew was there - where one sign was completely obscured, the other was a deep shade of green. That is really common round here, and I'm told the LA/Highways really don't like the public cleaning them to make them visible.
@@PedroConejo1939That is one thing I wouldn’t want to put to the test!
There is one near me that you may know on the lanes towards Repton. The signs are covered by trees and the paint on the road is either faded or obliterated into potholes. It catches a few drivers out and some do wonder why I am slowing from 50mph to 40mph
The LA’s can be hard work sometimes. They don’t want anyone cleaning them yet if your hedge grows around one then you must cut and clean it 🤷🏻♂️
I completely agree with the point about the signs being missed at junctions. I often miss them because of focusing on the other things, usually things that are potential hazards. Thankfully, I can do a quick check on the sat-nav, though I recognise that's not 100% accurate. I do like it if there the limit-change signs are either well before, or somewhat after a junction. In truth, you're rarely going to get into too much trouble for speeding in that gap.
I often wonder if all speed limit changes should be marked like they are in some villages.
30mph in 300 yards…
30mph in 200 yards…
30mph in 100 yards…
30mph now
And for side roads just a gentle sign facing the direction of travel on the main road to say 20mph with a left arrow. They do it for other things like humps, bridges and width restrictions so why not speed limits?
It would take away the added cognitive load of turning into a side road from a faster carriageway
@@smilerbobone issue though, this intelligent (effing stupid) speed assist system can't tell the difference between advance warning and actual commencement signs. Could cause lots of either auto braking or beeping in affected vehicles
@@Gingerharry2011 Ah, the so called driving assistance technology that neither assists nor drives.
They could, with some cooperation between manufacturers and sign makers, do something with those signs so onboard technology doesn’t pick them up. Such as an invisible square around the sign that only the cameras see, or 4 dots around the circle. But we know that will never happen as that requires common sense and companies to share technology between themselves. You would’ve thought the industry would have leanred from the EV debacle where there are different charging pods for different vehicles that aren’t compatible between each other. By all means have different ideas but cohesion between companies and having a standardised platform for all is the only way things will work better
Apologies for the rant, I write software but also work with people who don’t share what they have done so you end up reinventing the wheel as it were to then find out the two pieces of software don’t work together
@@smilerbob It would cost too much to start adding a bunch of signs on the lead up to a junction telling you the limit is going to change and would vastly increase sign clutter. There also isn't a proscribed sign that could be put up to do this so a new one would need to be designed.
You would also have people complaining that a limit wasn't signed correctly when they get caught at a limit that isn't signed like this, which is one of the reasons you are not allowed to add 30mph repeaters (or 20mph in Wales).
15:18 “You can’t accelerate until you’re passed the signs”
I wish everyone on motorways would understand this that when the limit is 40mph and you are approaching the NSL sign…you still need to be doing 40mph at that sign not accelerating up to NSL (different limits for different vehicles) to be at speed at the sign
For reference…I am talking the enforced limits that are on smart motorways not the advisory limits on standard motorways 👍
Unfortunately, you could be driving at 40mph for no reason because they don't always show an NSL after an incident or slow down. 😮
@@Jonc25 Travelling the motorway network overnight I became accustomed to the speed restrictions, lane restrictions and generally poor signage for nothing.
There was one occasion where I we were all shunted to lane 3 with red X’s in lanes 1 and 2 with a speed restriction of 50mph imposed. It transpired they had scheduled some overnight roadworks that got cancelled but the system still set all the motorway signage 🤦♂️
We are fortunate that we have speed cameras just before the temporary speed limits on some roads returns to national speed limits. In some it creates the opposite problem of people slamming their brakes to 40mph, when they were already doing at or below the 50mph speed limit.
@smilerbob Those daft motorways are a disgrace and need scrapping, but instead they are spending zillions putting in more emergency areas. pathetic.
I wish everyone was aware that you can't accelerate up to the new limit AFTER after you passed the sign on any road. Also that you have to decelerate down to the new limit BEFORE you reach the sign. To be fair, sometimes you don't get much warning of a change, and sometimes the change can be drastic but that won't cut much mustard with Police.
The distance between lampposts setting the speed limit comes from the Road Traffic Act of 1934. This said that any road with street lamps not more than two hundred yards apart was a built up area unless otherwise stated by signs. This was to repeal the 1930 RTA which removed all speed limits for the average car. 😮
Speed bumps are standard in estates where I live, doesn’t matter if it’s 20 or 30.
Useful video as ever Ashley.
I like that you mentioned a scenario I commented on under another video: check your mirrors before accelerating at a change (up in limit). I was in a 30 zone, coming up to a NSL sign, checked my mirrors before accelerating and saw a BMW driver behind me just starting an overtake BEFORE he was allowed to. I held off (even lifted off the accelerator) until he was safely past. The frustrating thing is, I was then stuck behind him doing 50 mph in a 60 limit. Had he not pulled that illegal manoeuvre, and had I not responded by waiting for him, I could have been well away and he would not have been held back.
Still, make it a non-event, right? 😀
Yes, in-car systems are not very accurate. Mine seems to think a local 40 mph is actually a 70 mph limit! And the cameras usually miss the change in speed limit signs when I turn into side roads, usually beause the signs are right at the entrance to the side road so they are not in the camera's field of view.
SCOPE FOR A SPEED LIMITS ULTIMATE PART 2 PERHAPS?
It would have been interesting to see you cover the fact that speed limits are different depending on different vehicles. If you are driving a van, for example, the default speed limit on a single carriageway road is 50 mph (10 mph less than cars). On a dual carriageway, the van speed limit is 60 mph while cars are 70 mph.
Also speed limiters are worth mentioning: fitted to certain vehicles as mandatory, and will be fitted to cars from July 2024.
Finally, worth mentioning that many speed limits (such as on flashing gantries) are only advisory UNLESS they have the red circle around them, in which case they are mandatory.
The key thing to remember is always to drive at a safe speed regardless of limits: you need to be able to safely stop in the distance you can see to be clear, for example. And, in poor weather, reduce speed. In France the speed limits are dropped if the cars need to use their windscreen wipers. Not a bad idea but unenforceable in the UK I think.
The flashing gantries are advisory, but have a collision, and you could be held responsible if above that advisory speed.👍
Interesting video Ashley, thank you for it. Like the reference to dustbin lids and dinner plates! I think similar applies with repeaters in national speed limit areas as with 30mph limits but in reverse. What I mean is on a rural road if there aren't street lamps and there are no repeaters it's probably a national speed limit. If there are streetlights and it's a national limit you probably will see repeaters confirming that (though not on a motorway).
Love your videos mate,as a car driver,motorcyclist and cyclist in my later years it’s never too late to learn and watching your vids keeps me on my toes. My last motorcycle was a Triumph and it was from Triumph Chester which was actually in Chester then not in North Wales where it is labeled now 😂
I appreciate the addition of the minimum speed limit being shown, if I am being honest I never knew what this sign was and always overlooked it thinking it was for something else
I knew of them but they are not very common and not sure why they are needed.
For an 'Ultimate Guide', a few things were missed. Temporary limits (e.g. due roadworks), changeable limits (e.g. on smart motorways), differing limits based on size of vehicle, limits on slip roads/on-off ramps, limits on private land (e.g. supermarket carparks), advised limits on sharp bends on motorways, to name a few
Welsh default of 20 was also missed
Add to that trailers.
@@DeathSc00p Scottish limit of 40mph for HGVs on single carriageways
Quite funny you talking about carriageways, as I literally had this conversation with someone getting ready for their theory test in the last week. We discussed the oddities around it, such as there are some 4 lane dual carriageways that aren't motorways and some very rare single lane dual carriageways/motorways - the latter can be found on a short section of the A329(M) as it crosses the M4.
Just as an aside as well, I find a lot of people miss that it is a speed *limit* not a speed *target*. There are many occasions where the posted limit will be an unsafe speed to be driving at.
i guess it depends upon which traffic is allowed on the road. The new section of A14 was built to a motorway standard but is still classed as dual carriageway, even with 3 lanes. Perhaps it was intended to be a motorway and the plans were changed.
A nice tip is also to look for when speed limit signs are NOT there. If you are on a larger road and look into a side street and there are NO 30 signs, then you are also on a 30 limit on the larger road (as there are no signs to change the limit).
I also wish that there were more 30 repeater signs. This is all about safety, so why no reenforce the 30 limit, especially on roads that suggest a higher speed, or that have recently changed to 30.
another good reminder video, i think it's always good to be reminded of things even if your a driver of many years. I live in Cambridge and there is a well known road called the A1307, it has a 50mph section under average speed camera's. And then we have a dual carriageway again under average speed camera's but a national speed limit and you'll be amazed at how many drivers either sit at the 50mph has that's the zone they have just left or they think it is 60mph because they don't understand the difference.
The A38(M) Aston Expressway. 7 lanes: 3 travelling each direction and a central "tidal flow" lane that can change direction depending on the time of day. No central reservation. 50 mph.
The thing I love about the comments, on Ashley's videos, is how everyone is so perfect and it's the "others" that are the problem.
Its true. We are brilliant. Shame about all the morons on the road. Wonder why they never watch youtube?
@@grimsbyhackney479 I like to think that most people who watch the videos are at the better end of the skill set of drivers (not perfect, no one is, but I have a feeling most of us know what we are doing)
They're mostly young'ns who've just passed their test and know everything there is to know.
@@paul756uk2Aye, my neighbours son was like that. He lost his licence for drunk driving within six months of passing his driving test.
I don't think you've looked at the comments on many of his videos, or indeed seen any of the Viewers Fails videos. My opinion is that most viewers are honest about their own weaknesses, but comment on things they have learned to avoid doing (often as a result of failing) or methods to stop the problem developing.
Here's a variation for you: in our 3.5 tonne campervan, the national speed limit on single carriageway roads is 50 mph; on non-motorway dual carriageways it is 60 mph, but on Motorways the full 70 mph is allowed. I think this is something to do with Light Goods regulations... We have a 3rd party combination SatNav/Dashcam designed with extra campervan software that reminds us of those restrictions
That’s almost correct
If your campervan is purpose built and has a laden weight of 3.05t or lower car speed limits apply
If your campervan is a converted campervan from say a commercial van and as you say has a 3.5t weight then as you said above treated as goods vehicle
All info on logbook or on vin plate anyway
Speed awareness course advised more than 3 streetlamps in succession = 30 mph limit. Thanks for info about single / dual carriageways. 👍
Thanks for mentioning that you should slow down before enter a lower speed limit. Far too many drivers either forget or ignore that.
I recall a road with two speed limits just outside Redditch. If you drove towards Redditch it was 30 if you drove away from Redditch it was a 40 limit. Took the council a few years to get their act together. Lamp post distances was taught in the 80’s and was part of the driver manual in the early 90’s.
Was that not an anti congestion tactic 😊
I have seen 70MPH signs on the motorway on a recent trip to Scotland
Possibly due to Scotland having a different legal system to England & Wales.
Few extra things Ash, I always reiterate that Built Up doesn’t mean buildings. Loads of people think a built up area is houses, pavements etc but, in terms of speed, it’s any road that has a continuous chain of streetlights & no other signage.
Like you said on the wide road, it’s 2 lane dual Carriageway but it’s a 30. Scotty rd is a classic for that.
Cheesy phrase I use is “ always go off signs, not scenery “ meaning think of lampposts etc, not what the road look like.
30 repeaters will be in 30 limits when there isn’t street lighting so, for example, a hamlet / village in a rural area where either side is national speed limit.
May be worth doing a video on advisory speed signs also, the ones that haven’t got a red circle around them.
I wish someone told the people in Northern Ireland that this is how it's supposed to be. Here we have stretches with street lights that are national limit (60mph) without repeaters. To slow to 30 mph just because there aren't repeaters would be deadly.
Had this problem recently 40mph road heading into a city with average speed cameras on literally almost every lamppost, doing 35, for ages, along the road I spotted a kid on a scooter and was paying attention to him possibly going in to the road. Then I spotted a 30mph repeater sign. Went back over my dashcam footage and saw the change of speed sign that I missed (altjough even this was smaller than usual). Now have to wait to see if I get an NIP. Really annoying as I was being cautious.
I've experienced this issue with speed limit signs on the entrance to roundabouts in an area I've not driven before. Following a satnav coming off a dual carriageway, I went from studying the large directional signs for confirming I was going where I wanted to go to looking to my right to see that it's clear to join and across the roundabout and to the left where I wanted to exit. The speed limit signs were where I'd expect give way signs to be, and as I know I'm giving way, I don't need to look at them. I only realised I needed to look for them when I passed the first repeater sign, and those seem to be few and far between here in NI in some places, and it happened twice coming from 2 different directions, once a national to 40 mph (single carriageway), but fortunately I was behind other traffic that time so hopefully I wasn't exceeding that, but the other was national to 50 mph on a dual carriageway, and I had a clear overtaking lane that I was making use of. I don't know if there's potential for irony here as I was checking the area in person for parking etc ahead of jury service, so I was driving to a courthouse.
As was taught to me way back in the mists of time, "New road, new limit?". What can mess things up a bit is something I see a lot of here, the limit on the "main" road will drop for a roundabout, usually at a point where you are already well below the new lower limit for the junction. Then minor roads off the roundabout will either have that new limit, or a completely different one that may be higher or lower than both the roundabout, and the main road.
The lamppost information is valid. In the absence of other information, the limit is 30 if lampposts are present. The legal term is "restricted road", which I believe dates back to the times of there being no speed limits elsewhere, they having been abolished in 1930. The Road Traffic act introduced restricted roads and the 30 limit in 1934 and made them permanent rather than having to be annually renewed by parliament in 1956 (when 40 & 50 limits were introduced, with mandatory repeaters), and the national speed limit introduced in 1965, along with the 70 limit for motorways. So, in general, without repeaters, lampposts are a valid indicator of speed limits. The only real confusion can come from whether a stretch of road has a "system of street lamps", or whether it is just a collection of lamps at say a junction. But then a junction where street lamps are deemed necessary is likely worth an adjustment of speed anyway.
Then there is the potential for confusion with the blanket 20 limit in Wales that is now under review as 30 and NSL are the only two limits that do not require repeaters.
I just checked my dates, and found out something else interesting. When speed limits were abolished in 1930, road fatalities went down, and went back up again with the introduction of the the 30 limit in 1934.
Would be good to do something that raises awareness of the different speed limits that apply to vans etc. Also, for example, travelling down the A90 which has average speed cameras and some van drivers don’t realise they are exceeding the speed limit for a dual carriageway. Cheers.
Distinguishing a single from a dual carriageway - a useful tip for explaining the difference is "the football test" - if you can roll a football across the road from one side to the other without being impeded by a central reservation, strip of grass, etc. then it's a single-carriageway, but if the structure of the surface of the road is separated and interrupted then it's a dual-carriageway.
Is this a good guide to single vs dual?
The legal definitions 'built up area' and 'restricted road' re 30mph limits in terms of the Road Traffic Regulation Act do include specifications for the distance between lamp-posts. It's explained in detail on the Wikipedia page for 'built up area (Highway Code)'
Which means dual carriageways with enough lamp posts should be 30. But clearly that is insane so that law is not as clear cut as that. Like the A55 at 53.2345235,-3.179994, standard dual carriageway, loads of lights. But clearly not in an urban area and with national speed limit signs.
@@sIightIybored There are NSL repeaters on that stretch of road, 53°14'23.9"N 3°11'13.1"W for example. Since it's the North Wales Expressway there are even 70 signs in some stretches but not in that particular area.
@@andyalder7910 NSL on a restricted road is 30mph. Is my point.
@@sIightIybored Think you need to look up the definition of National Speed Limit. It's defined under The 70 Miles Per Hour, 60 Miles Per Hour and 50 Miles Per Hour (Temporary Speed Limit) Order 1977.
@@andyalder7910 the answer to my question was in the Road Traffic Act 1960, the dual carriageways are trunk roads that didn't have lighting installed before 1957. Otherwise they would be 30mph.
Great driving by the untaxed Astra (KD53 VPE) - he managed to drive over the hatch markings (there for a reason) all to make up two spaces in the queue - probably saved a whole 10 seconds there.
4:15 A handy supplementary warning that you are on a 30 mph road and that a safety camera is ahead. This will generally be fixed or occasionally vans that regularly set up in business.
I can't see much of an issue with speed limits in the UK
1. You get a fair deal: All speed cams are bright yellow by law (as well as police when checking speed). Traps are not allowed (like in the rest of Europe).
2. Most newer vehicles have a speed limiter that you can set accordingly. Nice tool, very helpful and you can just keep your foot down.
Nice one Ashley, good video as always
Unfortunately the motorway you’re thinking of was downgraded in 2006 and is today a 50 limit. It’s the road off M60 J8. The (temporary permanent) one at the end of the M58 at Orrell is still there though and was definitely 70 the last time I drove it. There’s also the Walton Summit spur off the M61/M65 roundabout as well.
Another weird quirk with speed limits is the ones on non motorway special roads like the A55 around Colwyn Bay and Conwy. Those have no maximum speed limit so have to be signed with 70 signs and repeaters instead of national speed limit ones.
The A6144(M), the bane of SABRE at the time. The other one is the Aston Expressway A38(M)
@@jaycee330 There’s also the Walton Summit spur and the temporary permanent eastern end of the M58 as well
1. The single carriageway motorway you're thinking of in Manchester was the A6144(M), it was downgraded to an A road after the M60 upgrade about 9 years ago. I think it had a 50 mph limit.
2. I like the French approach to making repeater speed limit signs more explicit by marking them with "Rappel". French roads tend to have much clearer speed limits fwiw.
3. The bit about people not knowing the NSL grinds my gears, so many times I've been on a nice NSL A road and there's a massive tailback because someone's diligently sticking to 40 for no good reason. They'll then proceed to reach a village and continue to do 40 in the 30. 🙄
Thanks for the clarification, sometimes 30mph limits were a bit confusing for me.
I've often thought there ought to be a "speed limit reduction ahead" sign, maybe 100m or so before the change.
@@frankhooper7871 we get quite a lot of speed limit countdown markers on the approach to limit reductions.
Worth noting with NSL roads if you are driving a commercial vehicle/HGV, they will be a 50 mph limit for a single carriageway and a 60 mph limit for a dual.
Hgv (Lgv) limited to 56mph.
Unless it is sign written with Amazon or DPD in which case those are the minimum speeds the vans must travel 😜
@@smilerbobNot since they started going electric, now they do 50 on the motorway and 30 everywhere else.😂
@@Jonc25 They still manage to make a 3 month old van look 30 years old 😁
@smilerbob Amazon drivers take the biscuit lol. my 23 plate just rolled over 105 thousand but still looks like a 23 plate.🤷♂️
9:10, _"Is there a single lane motorway?"_
I think you need Auto Shenanigans! 😁
All motorways are single lanes..........with two overtaking lanes!
Surrey CC introduced speed bumps on many 30mph roads many years ago. The nearest main road to me has them but of course the council won't contribute for the extra wear and tear on my suspension because it needs replacing/repairing earlier than it should. It's also causing more pollution and noise for the residents living on the road as people slow then speed up when negotiating the bumps
spacing of street lamps Traffic Regulation Act 1988 s81 an offence to exceed 30mph on a restricted road, s82 defines a restricted road as having street lamps spaced not more than 200m apart, somewhere there is a definition of street lamps being 3 or more. S81 does not apply to special roads, motorways, ad the road authority can amend the speed limit om restricted roads and sign it.
Hope this clarifies the confused not on street lamp spacing near the end
It always amazes me Ash, about the road you mentioned in the south Liverpool that has a maximum speed limit sign when you go through the lights at Morrisons. I use this section everyday. The majority of ignorant motorists that are unaware of the speed limit. Is it because if you are going in the opposite direction to this carriageway the speed limit is lower and they are just ignorant of the fact.
The signs on the driver's side are 4epaerter signs, with those on the passenger side being the one that counts. Repeater signs are put in on roads where it's not clear what the speed limit is, i.e. a lit road with a speed limit other than 30mph.
The size of the sign is also dependent of the road type (single carriageway, dual carriageway or motorway) and speed of the road.
Maybe it would also have been worth mentioning that NSL signs are not the same for all road users, eg it may be 60 for a car but 50 if towing a caravan or trailer, that being the reason the white disc with black diagonal line is used rather than stating an actual speed. Otherwise an excellent video.
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Worth also noting the speed limit of 40mph only begins when you are almost in the tunnel, by the police check-point (the same point the exiting speed limit drops from 40 to 30mph) and not at the entry from Scotland Road where the sign says “start of Mersey Tunnels bye laws”.
There was a 30 sign on the left as you turned into Hornby Road. Just shows how easy they can sometimes be to miss. I've found when I'm in an area I'm new to and turn into a road not knowing the speed limit, it's because I've rushed the junction a bit too much. I try to review driving problems and faults I make like that thanks to your videos. Getting a bit anxious and feeling rushed at new (to me) junctions has been a problem for me
When i did my HGV, the instructor told me that signs are on exits to junctions, so if you are doing your mirrors and observations they can be hard to spot with the high workload for a learner.
A46 leaving Alcester has national speed limit signs and sinhla track road, then it open out to a dual carriage way.
Presumably the speed limit changes from 60 to 70 at the point the dual carriage way starts. Most people stick to 55-60 as there is average speed cameras for miles.
The National Speed Limit varies depending on the size of vehicle you're driving, and whether or not you're towing something. It's not as simple as 60 or 70 mph depending on single or dual carriageway.
Just a few observations of mine…
Few drivers slow to the max speed indicated ahead before they pass the sign.
Likewise few keep at or just below the speed limit they are leaving before they pass the sign for the next section…if you do, you may get overtaken.
There’s also, a growing minority of drivers that don’t speed up for the speed limit they are in. I have noticed an increase in this on my work route….50 zones and drivers doing 35-40….without any other traffic in front of them….very strange.
It's amazing how some people 1. Can't identify speed limits, 2. Don't know the difference between gateway and repeater signs, 3. Don't even see the signs and finally 4. When they do see them, think they have a better understanding of the risk so ignore them
I love this channel
Would love to see you drive on some national speed limit, single lane, dual carriageways. I used to teach on one near Drayton Manor theme park, that used to catch so many people out. Sadly it got dropped to 40, like so many other roads.
Hi Ash, I think the road in Manchester you are referring to could be the A57(M) - If you head east into the city centre using the M602 Reagent Road, and then turn south onto the A57(M) there is a long stretch of road which is a dual carraigeway but set to 30mph.
Speed limits are interesting, in Europe there is a default speed in urban areas of 50 KM/H (around 30 MP/H) which is assumed for every urban road unless a sign specifies otherwise - however, the next junction will nullify that sign and unless there's a repeater sign past the junction, it will automatically revert back to the general limit of 50. Quite different to the UK where the speed limit on a limit applies until a new sign changes it. Personally, I prefer the UK one where junctions don't nullify the sign.
It also depends on the vehicle type, Vans are limited to 50mph on national speed limit single carriageway roads
Except where the national speed limit applies (motorways and dual carriageways), the rule of thumb is that all other roads are a 30mph limit unless otherwise instructed. I was taught this on my first day of learning to drive in 1994, but it tells you this in the highway code.
Single carriageway motorway in Manchester is the Carrington Spur. Link road to M60 from Sale and Carrington
I like the works vehicle I drive that detects the speed limit signs as I drive past and displays it on the speedo as a red mark. I then set this on the speed limiter. I do look out for changes in limit and bring my speed down to the reduced limit as I pass the post. I play a game where I try to judge the speed drop and use the regenerative braking to bring the speed down in the distance without coming off the accelerator and needing to apply the brakes.
17:00 single lane roads separated by a physical central reservation 70mph? This is a heated discussion I have been having with people who should know.
The one in Manchester is off the M60. I used to do lessons on it with my driving instructor back in 2016. I was probably the only learner driver doing 70mph in the north west, legally anyway.
National speed limit on a dual carriageway is 70mph & learners have always been allowed on those. An Ax(M) road has the same regulations & restrictions applied as any other motorway.
I think that the exception in Manchester may have been the Carrington Spur Road A6144(M), now the A6144 since 2006.
I think due to its Motorway status it was 70mph even though it is a single carriageway. However it is now 50mph since loosing it's Motorway status.
it bears mentioning that in the US, nearly every speed limit sign you see will give you a number. you will only very rarely see a sign saying "end speed limit" or "end XX MPH speed limit." and should you be visiting the US, our signs are white rectangles that say either speed XX or speed limit XX.
Ashley; I love your work and videos and this is a really important topic that does indeed justify its own dedicated video but if you are open to constructive feedback I would like to suggest this is not the best narration you have ever done; you were focused on driving, other hazards and giving us extra tips; I think if you wiped the audio and did a clearer concise voice/over your important messages on this subject y be a lot clearer and easier to follow.
Yes I am an armchair commenter who has no idea of the time and effort that goes into making and editing such a video so feel free to ignore this suggestion!
Yeah, something that's not common here is the minimum speed limit. For example, in Portugal, motorways have a minimum speed limit of 50kmh. And the different lanes usually have different minimum speed limits. If a A road (called IP - itinerário principal) or a motorway (auto-estrada), going through a mountainous terrain, and have 3 lanes, the right lane is for trucks (no minimum speed limit), the middle lane will have a minimum speed of 70kph and the left lane (for overtaking) will have a minimum speed of 90kmh.
Some of the A55 in North wales is marked 70mph, not NSL signs.
And Scotland
Yep. Always confusing to go from 70 to ..... errr .... 70
@chrisl1797 Not confusing at all, but is it confusing to van drivers, etc?.
It is a Non-motorway Special Road rather than an All Purpose Road so NSL does not apply, without the 70 signs you could drive as fast as you wanted.
sorry one other thing speed bumps/cushions - yes used on 20mph roads but also very prevalent on residential roads with 30mph limits to reduce traffic speed. the introduction of the 20mph limit has confused this a bit as many residential roads have had the limit reduced but the bumps preceded this.
Apologies for my absence in the comments for this video from yesterday. Was out all day with very good friends, which did me the world of good after losing my Mum recently. I'm watching this video now on Sunday morning with great interest. Just didn't want Ash or this group in general to think I've lost interest. That will most certainly never ever happen with Ashley's channel.
@@ibs5080 you don’t have to explain yourself Ibrahim. Enjoy your Sunday 👍
@@ashley_neal Thank You very much Ash. I do try to keep up with both my viewing as well as comments. As you know, quite often when one of your videos comes in, I'm at some event and will make a point of commenting as such and that I'll "catch up soon". A bit more difficult to do that when out amongst friends, out of courtesy to them.
Speaking of events, next month I'll be attending Everything Electric South at Farnborough International. Although I'm sticking to my petrol car, this show is huge and as well as showcasing a massive range of EV's, also has a great deal about energy in the home. Last year my Mum and I bumped into Quintin Wilson, as he's a guest speaker at the show and will be there again this year. I even have a photo with him from last year, to add to my photos with the famous in the world of motoring, including your good self at the NEC of course.
Do look up "Everything Electric South". If you click on "Theatres" there's also a list of all the many stage presentations that are on for each of the 3 days.
Interestingly, this same show is on back in my other homeland of Vancouver Canada and last year at Farnborough, I actually met the organizer of the Vancouver show. They came over to learn more about the UK show and take that knowledge back to Vancouver for the show over there.
You asked about 70 mph limit signs: there are explicit 70 mph speed limit signs in places in Scotland, typically motorway sliproads, and I think (I could be wrong - it's been a decade) that there were some on the motorway this side of the Channel Tunnel. You spent quite a time on single vs dual carriageway roads but I think you should also have addressed single-track roads. At least in Scotland they are no different from dual-track roads and the speed limit for single-track NSL roads is 60 mph; I don't know about the rest of the UK. Lower limits can be imposed.
Lastly I think you should have emphasised a basic point: the speed limit is a limit, not a target.
9:22 You may be thinking of the former spur A6144(M) in Carrington, Manchester, which was about 1 mile long, and was a single carriageway. It's no longer the case (downgraded from a motorway to an A road and 50mph), and the only such motorway now is the A38(M) in Birmingham. (Aston Expressway)
or the A38(M) approaching into Birmingham where there are multiple lanes and no central reservation.
Speed bumps can be taken at the speed of the posted speed restriction. Approach in 3rd there's no need to apply break.
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There's a single carriageway motorway somewhere, with a lane separating traffic at all times but which lane separates the traffic can vary in order to enhance throughput. Think the speed limit is 50 though.
16:35 technically any road that has street lights every 200 yards or less is classed as a 30mph zone unless there are signs saying otherwise but obviously we’re not going to pull over and measure 200 yards to find out if it’s a 30mph zone or not, like you say speed limits change all of the time and they’re not going to waste time effort and money when a new speed limit sign is put up.
There’s a 60mph dual carriageway in Telford. The A442 Eastern Primary. The speed limit was lowered due to the number of accidents that were happening on it
Yep there is one in Manchester, off the M60 it's very short. I think basically they never got around to finishing it.
It was the A6144(M) Carrington spur, which linked a roundabout from the A6144 to J8 of the M60. Long sliproads from the M60 to the A6144 would have performed the same role & these would have had a motorway classification right up to the roundabout with the A6144,so I guess this was the thinking behind making it a motorway.
It has been de-classified now & is no longer a motorway. I guess this was simply a change of thinking?
9:30 you’re thinking of the Aston Bypass in Birmingham. Single carriageway motorway with a tidal central lane
And no squishy motorbikes allowed in the central lane.
Hi Ash. From 0sec to 29sec in this video is very similar to the first clip in your video
Viewers Mistakes #12
0sec to 37sec
Not quite 👍
Swap the audio on both. I bet it still fits 😊
Not quite. You didn’t have anything parked on the opposite side Phil 👍
True, but as I said in the email, I had a car very close behind me and did touch the brake pedal but decided my best course of action was to not brake check the close car behind, and continue through.
You don’t have to brake check if you need to slow down
Always amazes me that people make up their own rules about certain roads, I argued with someone once on a short stretch of 30mph dual carriageway, they said they always do 40mph there, I said "it's still a 30 limit', and their only argument was "but it's a dual carriageway" 🤷♂️
It surprised me, when helping to run a driving course, how many people firmly believed that the national speed limit signs, in Milton Keynes, meant that the speed limit was 40mph. They took some convincing that it was 60mph on a single carriageway road.
They are just stupid!
The UK is far to ambiguous towards speed limits, poorly maintained, poorly lit, and designed to catch anyone out where there are speed cameras. needs a complete overall and rethink.
Well the UK has the 12th safest roads per 100,000 inhabitants. Better than Germany and most other European countries. I equate this to the lower speed limits and technical nature of our roads as well as our very defensive driving. Most drivers don't have as much tolerance for poor driving here as opposed to France or somewhere were you just ignore it and carry on with your day.
@@cornishalps9870but you don't equate it to the limit of slower speeds due to the amount of traffic on UK's roads? There are lies, damned lies and statistics as Mark Twain said and you can't judge a countries driving standards by statistics alone. I've driven extensively in Europe over the last 30 plus years, particularly in France and Germany. Germans tend to be rule followers and stick to speed limits more than we do here. Their approach to cyclists is exemplary and having cycled more in Germany than the UK, I've never felt under pressure by drivers. Germany is a nation of cyclists or rather, people who ride bikes. They have to give way to cyclists and pedestrians in ways that require attention rather than making it idiot proof like we do here, an example being traffic lights at crossroads. We stop the traffic completely to allow people to cross whereas a driver turning right on a green light has to give way to pedestrians there. It seems to work and keep the traffic flowing. They sensibly turn off traffic lights in some places at night or when traffic flow is low. Thing is, you treat people like idiots and they end up acting like them. I won't talk about Belgium. That's another universe as is Italy.
If you think the UK is ambiguous I invite you to spend a while driving around the US looking for signs.
I'd guess the source of the spacing of the lampposts idea is that in places where the speed limit can reasonably be expected to be lower, they also use less powerful streetlamps, spaced closer together, to give more even and less harsh lighting.
it's interesting that the speed limits there are more road by road. in my part of he states, and in most I've been through, the majority of a town will have a single speed limit. so, for example, except for one odd stretch of highway, the entirety of my town is a 30 MPH speed limit. I keep expecting them to reduce that one stretch to 30, as well. the common exception is school zones.
On the topic of single and dual carriageway national speed limits.
There's an odd section of road near me, where it's a single carriageway national speed limit, so 60mph.
But it changes to a dual carriageway (on the same straight road) for about 500m before then reducing to a 50mph limit, but still on the same dual carriageway.
I often see people speeding up to 70mph after it becaomes a dual carriageway, but they stay at 70mph even after the 50 sign, until the roundabout not much further down the road.
People just seem to ignore the 50mph sign and keep speeding up to 70.
With that M56 speed limit of 110 - it would actually be reasonable for that to be 110kph, which is 68.35 mph - pretty close to the actual motorway speed limit in the UK.
5:42 is a speed camera warning sign with the speed limit shown, it is illegal for the Council to post a normal "dinner plate" sized 30 repeater sign in a 30 MPH area that has street lights.
The Street light rule is very important, at least to whoever puts the signs up. You will note speed limit signs overriding it on main roads where the road is lit for example, often noticed on fast unlit roads that have lit junctions.
Section 82(1)(a) (of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (RTRA 1984)) defines a restricted road in England and Wales as a road which is provided with "a system of street lighting furnished by means of lamps placed not more than 200 yards apart". Section 81 specifically makes it an offence for a person to drive a motor vehicle at a speed of more than 30 mph on a restricted road.
Example of incorrect signage, WA16 0UA. Single carriageway so NSL is 60 but they have 60 signs rather than (unneeded) NSL ones. It isn't a Special Road where the limit has to be posted since NSL does not apply, e.g. North Wales Expressway.
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That bit about lamp posts vs speed was something that driving instructors you used to say up until the mid/late 90's to give you a guide if you were unsure about the speed limit in built up areas and it went the closer the distance between lamp posts generally dictates that the limit is 30 mph in built up areas the further apart they are set would generally suggest that the limit was 40. It was as I said only a guide not a hard and fast rule to follow.
60' = 30mph
Just as a note, in my experience 30mph repeater signs are normally in place where there is a lack of street lighting, for example a rural road…
Honestly, if battles me that some drivers can’t tell the difference between a single carriageway and a dual carriageway, some drivers think it’s related to the number of lanes, it has nothing to do with that, a single carriageway doesn’t have a central reservation, a dual carriageway has a central reservation, it’s as easy as that.
One of the few locations that I can remember a Minimum Speed sign was on the A40 - Westbound - near Northolt.
It was also designated as a Clearway. Of course; things will certainly have changed since my last journey along that stretch of road. Double Red Lines did not exist back in the 1970's to the best of my recollection.
I don't remember the minimum limit in Northolt, but the A40 has had so many changes to the limits. Even now coming into London approaching the Polish you have different limits in each direction.
@@gordon861Over 40 years since I used that stretch of road. It was a Minimum of 30mph back then.
Thanks for your feedback.
A single lane in each direction or one of the directions is a dual carriageway if separated by a central reservation.
National speed limit also depends on the vehicle you are driving if its a large commercial van then it will be different to a car
Got a notice of prosecution in the post for doing 48 in a 40 on the A406 in north west London. Speed limit was 50 and changed to 40, was driving at night and must have missed the signs so was completely unaware. Took a driver awareness course.
@@vinniechudam1835 The law would say there's no excuse for ignorance. Speed limits change all the time. Good drivers know these things.
00:17, the oncoming car is doing the same as Ashley ! 8:26, single carriage way road, national speed limit is indeed 60 except..... and the exceptions were not listed and so a driver trying to do 60 gets impatient with a driver doing 50 as the impatient driver is unaware of the speed limit governing the vehicle in front. What about motorway speeds. Would have helped if the speed limits for other vehicles had been discussed. That was no way the ultimate guide to speed limits.
I recently encountered a taxi going 50mph in lane 2/2 on a 70mph dual carriageway, while I was stuck behind a lorry and parallel to said taxi. Needless to say i had to 'undertake' it and ovetake the lorry to give myself appropriate space.
Good video as always thanks. Now it seems on motorways they can put up one single large speed limit change sign. And not necessarily on both sides. Just a Stupid confusing move without telling us. All entrapment.
One thing I have noticed is 20mph zones usually housing estates or large residential areas don't have repeater signs within them, only at the point of entries do they have a sign stating it's a 20mph zone .
No repeaters in 20 zones but there are repeaters on 20 mph roads that aren't in a zone.
20 zones are a special case where, instead of 20 repeaters, traffic calming measures can be installed at certain intervals instead. Zones are supposed to be self-enforcing.
Normal 20 limits do need repeaters.
I read, several years ago, that speed limits can't decrease by more than 30 MPH. i.e. a 70 limit can't end and become a 30 limit. Have you heard of this ?
9:24 yes a single lane motorway would be a 70 limit; but no: the one in Manchester has been downloaded to an A road so it's now a 60 limit.