Has 1.21 Broken XP?
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2024
- In Minecraft 1.21 a new feature has broken the entire XP system
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I’ll be honest, you spelled out a way to generate tons of mobs and jumped right to why that breaks XP without really explaining the A->B. Ender Enders have been ridiculously easy to build for a while now, and generate XP faster than the player can take it in. How would a crazy fast silverfish farm be any different? I mean it’s not even particularly easier, as you have to find allays and make potions every time.
It's not just about like-for-like XP rates though. It's also about availability and ease of access. Ender enders / zombie piglin farms still require *some* effort to set up and can only be built in very specific locations. This method can be used basically anywhere and is, in my opinion, far cheaper to set up. You could set up dozens of these around your world/base, then essentially XP is on tap, 24/7. The reason I feel this 'breaks' XP is because it makes it so overwhelmingly abundant that it loses any remaining meaning it had.
@@SimplySarc You still have to go to the nether for this, because it consumes blaze powder. Admittedly you can turn the powder into the XP anywhere, but that doesn’t let you skip conquering a nether fortress.
If you’re going to say ender enders are “hard” because they’re near the end of the main progression tree of the game, then brewing is still most of the way there. The additional effort to kill some enderman, find a stronghold, and kill a dragon is not incomperable to finding allays and stockpiling blaze/glass bottles.
I find killing enderman significantly easier than blaze because they lack a ranged attack, and can easily be stopped with a slab of blocks above the players head.
@@SimplySarc the requirement of using allays makes this not cheap at all
@@SimplySarc It's not a very early game thing though - you still need blaze rods and allays. And by the time you get these, there are already better alternatives.
Still seems like a great way to prank someone with a ton of silverfish in their base 👀
@@SimplySarc if we are talking about availability and ease of access why would you bother getting so many resources for an xp farm. For the silverfish farm you need a constant supply of blaze powder, glass, gunpowder and cobblestone (perhaps even redstone). Not to mention if you really want an available/easy access farm you can just google minecraft mob farm, look at the 1st result and build it in 30 minutes, resource gathering included, with stone tools. Now if you think that going to the nether, finding a nether fortress and getting blaze rods after having transported allays for like idk 500 blocks is cheaper than mining some cobblestone you my man are mad tripping. I mean your video is just clickbait at this point. 💀
I'm not really sure we can blame 1.21 for breaking the XP system when we had Ender Enders and mending before that point.
Yeah, I was like “this seems harder to make than an enderman farm, so what’s the problem?”
I think silverfish farms will be more useful combined with oozing as a slime farm.
Not to mention the order you apply enchantments matters!?! Like why is it cheaper to put X in the anvil before Y? And why is it too expensive to apply X to a tool with W Y and Z on it but you can but a book with Z X and W on a tool with Y on it?
@@emmaporter8160also the fact you can only absorb so much xp at a time. And enderman farms and other farms already hit that limit
Ender enders?
@@user-vl2dh3xg2bEndermen farms, enders(killers) of enders(Endermen)
Don't see how this is any worse than your typical mob farm. I don't care if they leave it.
Same
I see this as being more of a SMP-server admin nightmare, where you can theoretically start to make a ridiculous amount of mobs in a short period of time.
Someone else pointed out in a different comment thread that using a splash potion of oozing on the silverfish would cause all of them to spawn 2 slimes on death
@MonsieurBro they can remove the potion or remove silverfish soon as they spawn
@@MonsieurBro there's definitely plugins and mods that servers would use to minimize this. plus they can just disable the potions. make them less efficient or a super easy fix would be to just add them to the mob cap. that means that when you hit 72 you can't spawn any more slimes or silverfish.
u can get 80 levels of xp in less than a minute, and it would only cost one stone, with no setup time
that's equivalent to killing the ender dragon at a world record speed, nothing else compares to this. this is a lot worse than mob farms because the reward correlates with the effort, but in this case it does not, it is free.
I don't think this is going to be that much of an issue. An Allay/Potion of Infestation based XP farm requires you to go out and wrangle Allays and keep them hit with potions of infestation to produce a bunch of silverfish. Not only is this a lot of overhead and maintenance, but silverfish don't produce that much XP. Already existing Guardian and Endermen based XP farms require much less overhead (just isolate an area so they all spawn in a specific spot) and produce significantly more XP.
You only need 1 Allay. They infinitely duplicate with Amethysts
@@Laugicalyou need to go to a nether fortress to collect nether wart for the brewing though. Imo by that point it's better to also get some blaze powder to then craft eyes of ender, quickly find the Portal and build an enderman EXP farm
@@viniciusgoulart5077not to mention a wither rose, if you don't want to go with drowning or suffocation.
You could just infest the gaurdians as well and make an infinitely more broken powerful xp farm
@@grins9882 Not really, a lot of guardian farms already reach the max xp pickup time. Honestly, it might make it worse because then you would be picking up lower quality xp balls in addition to the higher quality ones
Sarc, are you not aware that current XP farms plenty fast, while being easier to construct as they do not require an allay.
My thoughts exactly.
Although, if I would make a complaint, I'm way more concerned about the allay and infestation potion being used for griefing.
You could spam a bunch of silver fish into someone's base.
Or, I wonder if this could cause servers to lag since you can create a bunch of entities in a very short amount of time.
well allays are definetly a bit rare to get but they can be duplicated with amethysts very easily
Agreed. It’s not that difficult to make an endermen farm that’s really damn good, all this does is make a worse one possible in the overworld
oh no...lingering potion of infestation...with lingering potion of oozing...and wither roses...
either Doc or Xisuma are gonna lag the whole server out
😅fell off
Oozing only spawns slimes when a person dies
@@endgamer7896nope, literally anything works
@@endgamer7896it spawns slimes whenever any mob other than other slimes die
Infested Stone is not obtainable in survival mode in any way, Silk Touch does not work on it, so it would not make much sense as a brewing ingredient.
I feel like Infested Stone used to be obtainable this way at some point, either way I hope they make it a thing so I can build the Great Silverfish Manor
@@davedood679 "Great Silverfish Manor - a building that basically griefs itself!" 😁
The potion ingrediant for it uses regular stone
@@jacoblindow2640 I'm entirely aware, the video this comment responded to suggested changing it from stone to infested stone. My comment is in response to this suggestion.
Really? I feel like that way possible at some point
I think this is a non-issue. How does the rate of these silverfish farms stack up to other popular xp farms, like zombified Piglin or endermen farms? You dont get any items from the silverfish, just XP, which i feel like is an important factor. Plus the commitment of finding then duping allays, getting a wither rose and brewing the potion... makes it balanced in my eyes.
One i made can give 30 lvls in 3 mins with 10 allay, and you can have infinite allay.
@@kyleyoung2464
I got from 0 to 30 levels in 1 minute 16 with an ender ender.
There is no point to scaling up above a certain point as the rate you can absorb XP orbs is limited. Even with the popular enderman farm, the farm is too fast for you to absorb all the XP so there is a maximum rate that you can achieve and anything above that point is unnecessary. Infinite allays won't make it faster. In fact, I spent 1 minute 16 killing enderman until I got 30 levels but there was so much XP orbs still being absorbed that it gave me an extra 7 levels, so it's very easy to hit that limit of XP absorption rate.
@kyleyoung2464 you can't have infinite allays because of entity cramming. Also did you spawn in the 10 allays or went through the entire process of duplicating 10 allays and putting them all in one block? And lvl 30 in 3 minutes is slow compared to actual xp farms
@@brickie9816 entity cramming would just serve as a damage source for the farm
@@Ganpan14O no, entity cramming would just kill the allays
Actually, this might be the most interactive and fun xp farm possible
Yeah. They needs to keep it.
"It's kind of boring"
Yeah so are normal XP farms. 99.5% of people just copy mob farm designs from the internet. This is no different. I actually like this better because it's more intuitive and doesn't require an understanding of Minecraft's bullshit esoteric mob spawning rules.
Agreed, lol.
0.5% of players don't use mob farms lol
@@Micha-HilI’ve only ever used spawners outside of skyblock
Looks like I'll be saving allays from pillager outposts just to torture it for free XP early game.
Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
Ooh ya if allays out heal fire damage you could just have them sit on lit netherack.
I really can't see how this could be an issue.
It doesn't negatively effect the game.
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@@OctobrisNobody asked.*
@@bellenesatan Nobody has to ask.
@@psuedonym9999Nobody has to Nobody
6:18 It isn't actually possible to get infested Stone in survival mode at the moment so that couldn't be an option
Actually, it is. You can mine infested stone with a silk touch tool that is not a pickaxe.
@@jackcardinale i tested this in 1.20.4 and 24w13a. when mining infested stone with tools enchanted with silk touch (i used pickaxe, axe, shovel, hoe, and shears) you only get their non-infested counterparts. it is impossible to get infested stone in vanilla at this time.
@@jackcardinale try it.
I actually prefer this method to other experience farms. I typically dislike AFK farms but this involves a lot more work to set up and it requires you to use ingredients to maintain the farm and keep it running.
Yeah i just kinda prefer this. I just want xp, i don't really care how i get it.
@@lapis8339 I just really don't like the idea of AFK farms in Minecraft. A lot of the farms feel too exploitative and I feel like too many players expect the game to be balanced around the idea that you have to have them which makes any other methods of playing feel slow and tedious.
@@GlimmerSprings and then newer players or players who just dont want to bother making massive farms stuggle and grind a lot more for xp when these kinda things exist
@@lapis8339 Yeah. I really don't enjoy farms like these. I do prefer the one in this video though because as mentioned it requires the use of materials for maintenance. You can't just stay in one place for hours at a time earning resources. In that way it feels similar to a wheat or sugarcane farm, which I don't mind as much.
@@GlimmerSpringsNeither wheat or sugarcane farms require maintenance?
I mean... Endermen grinders exist already, so I don't think its _that_ big of a concern really.
has farming xp ever really been fun though?
Yes.
is no one going to mention enderman farms? gets me to level 30 from zero in like a minute
They are our go to on every server in The End.
You always need to travel out to the endportal for that, I just like to build my farms at my base.
enderman farms can only be built in a specific location that nobody ever really builds a base at though
Dunno abt that, there's a ton of space in the literal void to build stuff. I think people actually build stuff there.
@@vencedor1774 you would have to meticulously spawnproof every block of your base because endermen dgaf about light levels, and you wouldn't be able to respawn at your base
I have been using my enderman farm in every single world for the past 6 years. Its very easy to setup after you kill the dragon and it generates more xp than you can pick up. I dont think this will break the game 😂
I don’t think we should pretend that 1.21 will be the thing to break or ruin XP in Minecraft. XP as a system has always been a bad idea in a game like Minecraft. It limits what a player can do to progress and bottlenecks progress arbitrarily and near the end.
Yeah. Such as having the stupid "Too Expensive!" feature on the anvils! They needs to make enchanting using anvils free!
I don't agree with that. I do think that there should be an item involved. @@kate_isawesome1207
XP, and in extension mending, is already kinda broken anyway. It's already possible to generate massive amounts of XP to the extent that you easily reach the XP pickup limit, for example by building a super straightforward enderman farm. So, in my opinion XP is already pretty much free and infinite, and the new potions don't really change that.
I also dislike that XP has become so easy to get now that it isn't really a gameplay feature anymore, just an annoyance - but honestly I don't know what could be done about that without completely ripping that system out and replacing it with something else.
Maybe it would be interesting if all the xp that the player gets was counted forever even after death to be able to unlock new enchantments and recipes, and the xp bar was just a "magic bar" to spend on things. Maybe it would be cool if each enchantment cost a piece of the bar and to make several enchantments you would have to fill the bar several times
I just imagine a server where a king sends someone into the silverfish pit and they are just surrounded by constantly spawning silverfish
Exp has been broken for a long time. Last year when 1.20 came out my friend group made a server. 3 days later someone had built a zombified piglin farm atop the nether roof, we had infinite and fast exp, gold and rotten flesh. (I love playing with villagers so rotten flesh and gold were insanely good for getting emeralds from my priests)
Sure, you can choose not to use the op farm, but then you're lagging behind the other players on the server so it lessens the overall experience.
i would think exp is a broken system to begin with, like for example why do i only get 7 levels back lol, but i can see how this really breaks it.
You are aware that enderman farms exist, right? They're incredibly cheap to build and give a lot of xp.
is he also aware of the SHEER amount of work its going to take in order to do this allay farm?
You have to find an allay
You have to find amethyst geode for the crystals, a record disk and make a jukebox to dupe them.
You need to make a way to trap them in that box
You need a wither rose, GUESS WHAT wither skull farming
You need blaze rods for the brewing stand if you didnt get one from a village. OH WAIT you still need blaze powder for the power to the brewer, not to mention netherwart for the awkward potions.
OH and a source of gun powder for the sheer amount of splash potions youll need to maintain this "Free exp farm" .... Enderman farms are more free exp than this because it doesnt cost nothing but your time to punch them/hit them with your sword and kill them for refreshing waves of exp...
I mean. There is sooo much more work than going to kill blazes for 10-11 blaze rods, and kill some endermen for pearls. Go to the end kill the dragon, bridge out 128 blocks, then using like 2 stacks of leaves and some carpet, ender pearl a endermite in, trap it in a minecart in the right spot and you have a simple powerful enderman farm. OH and ofc teleport/spawn proof with some carpet in areas... OH and some end stone for the spawning spot as well..
LITERALLY easier than this method with allays xD
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I doubt any of this matters since XP has never had any value and the entire enchanting system is garbage and needs a complete overhaul anyway
I dunno if this is a problem, really? I can construct an enderman farm in about 30 minutes that gives me more XP than I can absorb. The overhead and maintenance of the silverfish farm concept is far more work. I think this is very cool, it might be fun to build an XP farm this way sometime, but I don't think it'll warp the metagame.
Simply put, this isn't true. There's a finite rate that exp can be absorbed (1 orb per tick iirc) that can even be seen in this video with the exp pooling at the player's feet 5:10. Several farms already achieve and exceed this rate (in which case the exp needs to be destroyed to not crash the server, several larger gold farm designs do this). The real limiting factor is the value of individual exp orbs, at which point silverfish are greatly outclassed by more common enderman/gold farms.
I might be wrong, but to me who has almost no experience building those kinda giga farms, I feel like the allay farm is way easier. Just need one and a bunch of amethyst+a damage source. Plus it’s not in the nether or the end.
@@mrrp405The allay farm might look simpler and it probably is but I think on the medium long term it'll be more of a hassle to maintain as you need to constantly have new potions.
For many, going to the end is the natural goal of many worlds so a lot of gameplay productivity goes towards that. Once you defeat the dragon, an enderman farm is pretty simple to make, no redstone really needed, it's just blocks.
With an allay based farm, you'd need to divert from the most straightforward game path to go find an allay which might be more difficult than finding a stronghold. Ig this is fine if you don't care about speed and might want a farm before the endgame but a massive XP farm before endgame is not too necessary
@@sugeypopplanet That’s what’s neat about minecraft i suppose. This’ll be great for some players, nothing for others. Although I do think the unique potion ingredient for this is just stone apparently? Should be pretty sustainable
@@mrrp405 Variety is nice. I'm more concerned that this new update will break slime farms. Imagine the oozing potion on infinite silverfish (using allays like in the XP farm design) - you can get virtually infinite slime in a very small footprint.
Gone are the days of finding a swamp or slime chunk and making massive builds with giant spawning platforms.
I, for one, welcome our infested Allay overlords
Do you have any idea how obnoxiously difficult it'd be to force all those allays into a contraption like this, followed by repeatedly spending resources to fuel the thing with infestation potions?
You'd be better off just farming Endermen in the end... which has been built in worlds repeatedly for ages.
This hardly breaks anything.
We have a new farm type.. and you guys wanna nerf it?-
HAVE YOU LOST YOUR GODDAMN MINDS?
Sarc also wanted iron farms removed.
I Think the oozing potion should give you a sticky effect allowing the player to slide on any wall like honey, it would be a quite fun effect an allow to do some cool parkour too !
Finally, a use for Bane of Arthropods!
imo the potion doesn't break the EXP system because endermen farms kinda broke it already: they cost little resources to be built and provide more than enough EXP for the average maxed out player.
Their biggest disadvantage is requiring you to travel to The End, but if you are getting the nether wart to brew the potions then you might as well get some blaze powder to craft eyes of ender and search for the Portal
Maybe if you have enough allays your EXP output would be greater than that of an endermen's farm, but you won't be able to use all the extra EXP anyway
So imo the mechanic is balanced
Well, I guess I'm watching this now. I don't make the rules: Sarc uploads, I gotta click.
Couldn't have said it better myself
I disagree. A silver fish based xp farm, while maby ok, will never beat traditional enerman, pigman, or gardian farms. This is due to the size of xp orbs. You could make a farm with a theroretical million silver fish per second. However all xp farms are limited by the size of xp orbs the mobs drop. Silver fisb only drop the smallest orbs while, say gardians, drop some of the largest. In a theoretical farm with infinite mobs, silverfish will never win. Btw, most xp farms are forced to burn xp because the xp intake is already too slow. The best theoretical farm is from the largest xp orb the dragon drops.
not to mention the costs to make the silverfish farm>
Need a wither for wither roses.
Brewing stand, netherwart, blaze powder.
An allay which are already hard enough to find as is.
Amethyst crystals, record disk and jukebox to clone them..
Its literally cheaper and easier to make an enderman farm.. Which outputs higher exp rates..
I know it was brushed off as a bad solution anyways but Sarc seems to have missed the fact that Infested Stone for brewing the potion is not a bad solution because it doesn't fix his problem with the potion, but it's a bad solution because *infested stone is unobtainable in survival,* making the potion unobtainable through brewing
So? Just make an enderman farm. Its cheaper and enderman give way more exp
I don't see a problem with it. Mob farms are not exactly the most fun thing to set up, so this video just kinda comes off as mad that all the effort put into breaking the game with mob farms is now a bit of a waste.
Welcome Back Sarc!
Seeing them add stuff where stuff happens when a mob dies kinda makes me hope they add the exploding enchantment from Minecraft dungeons. It would be so fun but so dangerous! 💥
I think this would be overpowered if it weren't for the fact that
1. There are more efficient options albeit endgame ones
2. Enchanting is already broken in my opinion, spending hours naturally grinding exp to do a max lvl 30 enchantment just to get an unbreaking III pick is crushing. The only real way to guarantee a good enchantment is to trade for them, otherwise, you spend tons of hours grinding exp to then spend it all on the exp slot machine and get nothing but sweeping edge on your sword and nothing else.
Either enchanting should be more lucrative, giving a fitting reward for the *maximum* possible enchant, or experience should be easier to obtain so you have enough to gamble on the random enchants
not only horses and villagers regenerate health, but witches too. very quickly at that. you can put a bunch of witches in a single scaffolding block with powder snow on top, and they'll take damage every 2 seconds
If they wanna fix it, they could prevent silverfish _spawned via the infestation effect_ from dropping XP, but allow natural ones to drop it
he did suggest this but then dismiss it because he thinks they intend this to be used to farm xp but on a smaller scale
edit: 5:44
@@tasmanwinchcombe9774 huh, i watched the whole video, I'm not sure how I missed that
Idea: After a certain number of solverfish spawned, the mob loses the potion effect.
Think of it like them not being infested anymore because you hit all the silverfish out of them.
4:05 *-SimplySarc 2024*
The potential for putting silverfish infestations anywhere is the real beauty of this.
Honestly, it's just a nice way to make more accessible XP farms that also use intuitive features from the game. Sure, you can make an Ender Ender anywhere in the End, but that requires knowledge about spawn mechanics and Enderman teleporting mechanics and other things. Sure, you can make a dungeon-based spawner farm, but that requires, you know, finding a spawner and building around it. Even if it's quite cumbersome, an Infested Allay-based XP farm is still a cool idea for people who might not be super technical
Enderman farms are already in the game I really don't see a problem here
You can then give the sliverfish oozing...
If you go through the trouble of getting all thats needed to make the XP farm, then you deserve the XP.
If you don't like it, don't do it.
Getting an allay to suffocate in a magma block is literally a 2 block xp farm
Easy solution: Silverfish that spawns from the potion effect don't drop anything. No XP, no items, nada.
This is still harder than the peaceful-friendly cactus XP farm. I don't mind it.
There is other farms like this. On java we have the pillager xp farm u can cause a raid to accure next to an outpost and soon as they spawn they join the raid and gets removed from mob cap. On bedrock we have portal ticking gold farms where u force zombie pigman to spawn by re lightning a portal really fast. The farm ignores mob cap. Then in java any portal based farm with boat looting.u spawn mob in portal or make them walk into portal and they get removed from mob cap then in other side they wait until portal cool down and when back on other side go into boat to prevent them from clogging the mob cap. Xp was already "broken" this just another way
Honestly, there are way more overpowered ways to get xp. It's possible to create literally waterfalls of zombie piglins and ender dragon farms. Obviously, these examples are really difficult to make, but there are easier examples like the enderman farm that also give lots of xps.
I don't think the absolute scale of this was something mojang considered, I feel like the infinite silverfish part is intentional, but I do not think they realised how far it could scale without much effort. Honestly I never knew Allays had very strong regeneration, I feel like the effect with damage should have some sort of cooldown like "can only spawn silverfish" every X number of seconds, or maybe every time silverfish is spawned, each silverfish spawned takes about 5-15 seconds off the duration of the potion effect
I feel your interpretation of it likely not being a mistake or oversight is a bit strange, considering in earlier snapshots, Slimes WERE in fact able to have the Oozing effect, showing that Mojang has made oversights and corrected them with these potions
Honestly my main worry is not to do with EXP, as I feel the idea of building a farm like this that can generate such absurd numbers of mobs that- to my knowledge, do not naturally despawn, and spawn them with such ease- that is a bigger issue.
I personally liked the potion effect and could see myself making funny little silverfish spawners to mess with people, but I don't like the idea of it being as excessive as the Allay example you showed, so I feel like a cooldown or having silverfish spawns reduce the effect duration would resolve the main issue
Response to your noting of Sculk letting you "store" xp, technically this is true, but its so inefficient compared to something like Bottle o Enchanting that its honestly not worth mentioning IMO, Bottles of Enchanting are technically not as AFK farmable as Sculk, but are arguably just as easy, maybe easier to obtain, and much more efficient
also at the end you say you personally think its broken and its unclear if you mean broken (unintentional) or broken (unbalanced), gonna assume the latter
Also something you missed, Infested stone is not obtainable in survival minecraft. Silk Touch drops Stone rather than Infested Stone when mining Infested Stone, same behaviour for the other blocks
I disagree that Tipped Arrows are unbalanced? Multishot and especially Piercing are great for tipped arrows as you can get more or even infinite uses out of them that way, but tipped arrows can be annoying to get (master level trade or dragon's breath), and using a crossbow also means you dont get the +5 damage buff you get from the Power enchantment on the bow.
This also often might not help for what you use the arrows for: Range. You would have to go and get a piercing arrow yourself, or if its PVP, your enemy would get their hands on it, this statement about Tipped Arrows being unbalanced seems strange to me? Would be interested to hear the reasoning or know if I have completely overlooked something
also the process isn't exactly easily automateable as you'd need the player to both shoot the arrows and then pick it up
This is so incredibly niche, I think anyone who's going through the effort of putting 20 allays on a single block would probably just make a nether exp farm, it's a lot easier taking in consideration how rare allays are, some people haven't seen them till this day, and like you said, silverfish give too little EXP, like, past level 10 you would need A TON of them to be able to do anything, you can do it, but since it'll be too much work, and way too little reward, you're not really breaking the game, you're just taking the most tedious and less effective route
You can get 1 allay and duplicate it with amethyst
Honestly it's weird that Allays aren't just immune to the damage types they outheal
I just worry how horrible that this and slim pots will be on sever performance
I LOVE that you are semi-making videos now
In a different thread @SimplySarc mentions that it could be used for XP vending machines without a set spawner and in any dimension.
Though the Silverfish would _presumably_ follow normal despawning rules, farm designs would have some sort of OFF switch so the potions only run when the player is on a pressure plate. That means that the silverfish would only start spawning after the player got there and then would have to be transferred to the player and possibly softened.
Plus, you would probably want the allays far enough away that you can't hear them scream! So... not instant.
Still, it seems preferable and superior to large cactus smelting farms (Java only) like Impulse has made on this season's HC.
It's always a good millennium when SimplySarc uploads
This reminds me of the april fools update where they added "redstone bugs" only that this time the fountain of bugs is actually a bug
Super simple solution that fits the nature of silverfish. Sikverfish only spawn if it’s player inflicted damage.
what if we combine it with a piglin farm like with a potion of lingrin produced by a super auto brewer. we can get gold and much more exp. it might not be to efficent but its just a idea there are many people which can come up with insane design using this method
Misleading title. This is an interesting new silverfish farm idea using features in the 1.21 snapshots.
you can put infestation on slimes and oozing on the resulting silverfish, then infestation on the resulting slimes, then oozing on the resulting silverfish; rinse and repeat. This creates an infinite supply of mobs to get xp from.
For the potion recipe, maybe infested stone could have a chance of dropping a new Silverfish Egg item.
XP has been broken since Beta 1.8 and never touched it. This will just make it even worse. That' why I made a mod to completely change XP and enchanting
Isn't Beta 1.8 the update that added XP?
I mean they can just make the spawned silverfish and slimes not drop any xp or items easy no?
because those potions were designed for the trial chamber therefore I think it would be better not to gain any of this D:
The Potion of weaving is great, we can now make cobweb farms
5:58 even if they stop silverfish from spawning xp, u can use the potion of oozing on those silverfish for xp, it doesnt even really make it more complicated since whatever u use to kill silverfish can kill the slimes.
this type of farm is honestly way more interesting than the normal "spawn mobs, kill them" type farms. It's just cool. Keep it.
This to me is very clearly an oversight, mojang has told the community on multiple occasions that they aren't the biggest fans of mob farms, or at least easy to make mob farms. A fix for this to me is to make it so that the potion applied mobs dont drop xp or regular drops, I think thats fair considering this mechanic is meant for fighting.
I see more uses for this as a lag machine, the day I see someone build a silver fish xp farm is the day someone builds a pig lighting gold farm in a normal world, like for actual uses lmao.
Multiple people already said that but just in case you missed it: they are already more easy and effective xp farms out there. (Enderman farms…)
I don't understand why you think this is revolutionary for xp and miss all the interesting bits. (cobweb farm, slime farm,…)
I'm pretty sure the potions effects aren't exclusive to the mob dying, but also have a chance to occur when the mob is simply hit. I know thats how the silverfish one works, but the other ones I believe worked like that too in previous snapshots, unless a) i'm remembering wrong or b) it was just changed
Hey, maybe they made the ingredient for Infested potions something that's not super easy to make to balance this?
...Stone. You brew this potion... with stone. One of the easiest, automatically farmable items in the game. Oops.
KingBDogs has talked to the TMC community, mainly more about slime farms than xp farms and has said that they might rebalance this potion
I built an allay silverfish farm the week this potion was added. I did find it somewhat overpowered.
A lot of people have said this is fine to keep on account of it being on a level scarcity-wise with other long-standing XP farms, but personally I want it to stick around because Mojang hasn't added the basis for a new unethical farm in a fair bit, and keeping a tiny angel trapped and constantly in pain is a lovely new option.
Endermen farms in the end already generate so much xp as to be limited by your absorption rate, rather than spawn rate. The orbs thst silverfish drop are smaller, so the silverfish spawner is not going to imrpove over the already easier to make endermen farm.
5:27 “they could reduce the amount of times a mob is allowed to shit a silverfish”
The potion has a certain time it is applied, now imagine decreasing that time 1 minute each a silverfish is spawned, then the effect is worn out much faster
a fairly elegant solution: make Infestation only spawn silverfish for damage events of 3 or more hit points.
that makes it much harder (yet still possible) to create optimal farm designs, and all the damage types he mentioned are now too weak to trigger the effect!
Silverfish drop small do orbs, meaning that if you get a silverfish farm to the point that the player has more xp orbs than they can accept, then the silverfish farm would be slower than the enderman farm
I would say just making allays immune would fix this
You need blaze rod to brew portions so that already make the portion of weaving a mid game item. Finding an alley is not an easy thing to do too.
Fun fact: it will take 279 silverfish to reach level 30 from level 0. And infested stone is unable to get in survival too.
i was just watching a vid of yours a few hours ago and wondering when you were gonna upload again. very wecome!
I don't think it's a problem. There's a limit on how much exp you can absorb per second. I feel like building an enderman farm is less trouble than this.
I don't see this as a bad thing at all, will probably set this up next to my already existing Skeleton farm and just have even more XP.
Steps to create an Allay/Wither Rose/Infestation XP Farm:
Find Allays
Get Blaze Rods/Powder
Get Wither Skulls
Spawn a Wither and let it kill things for roses, then kill said Wither
Get Silk Touch or smelt large amounts of Cobblestone
Dig up large amounts of sand for Glass to make tons of Bottles
Get lots of Gunpowder for splash Potions (may involve the construction of a Creeper Farm which is its own lengthy process)
Brew loads of Splash Potions of Infestation
Build a specialized kill box that won't allow the Silverfish to escape
Put the Allays on the Wither Roses and duplicate them
Setup a Dispenser to shoot the potions along with Hoppers and Chests to feed in more so you're not constantly refilling it manually
Now you can finally farm your Silverfish for XP
Steps to create a normal XP Farm:
Find a Mob Spawner
Build a kill box and clear the spawner room
Place water to push mobs into kill box
Farm XP
I think the best way for Mojang to fix this is to largely lower the XP amount that these mobs that are spawned from the potions effect drop, this way you can still use this method of farming but it would either take significantly longer to get a certain amount of levels and would be less efficient than a standard mob farm, or you can cram more alleys into the farm but it would take so much longer to set up and therefor wouldn't be as optimal to go for aside from the memes.
A way to fix it would probably be to have a mob have a cap of how many silverfish it can spawn, like 10 for example.
Throwback to Slamacows "Silverfish encounter" animation
best solution: make mobs being able to shed a limited amount of silverfish before they can't shed them anymore
Bro, finally more options of xp farms, thats a good thing lol
With the villager changes, the buffs to iron, enderman and raid farms and the existence of mending, that ship has sailed a long time ago. Although I think they do know there is a problem with the xp system, the silverfish method is probably the least of their concerns. And honestly, it's not really worrying compared to raid farms for example.
To be fair this is a late game farm for sure. Obtaining wither roses requires fighting the wither which requires getting wither skulls. Allays take a fair effort to be able to find, and require music and amethyst shards to be bred. The potion requires blaze rods which means nether (or being lucky enough to find a brewing stand in a village). There are several mob farms that can be made before this and since silverfish drop so little xp, it would be more effective to just build an enderman farm or piglin farm in the long run. That many silverfish at a scale that would match either might have a bad effect on the TPS. Totally get what you are saying tho, the farm itself is quite easy and the effect seems a bit out of place even with the other options being added.
I mean the potion of oozing was causing a huge problem before too when combined with the potion of infestation. you could put a few allays in a contraption like yours, let the silverfish all spawn, splash them with a potion of oozing and summon thousands of slimes. Mojang fixed this though so now the potion of oozing won't spawn mobs more than the mob cap (or was it the entity cramming limit?)
The biggest question: how tf are you gong to trap ten allays in survival?! 😂