Gen 1 Virago xv750 Starter Mods: The Bobber's Starter is happy again !!
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2020
- Applied the mods I tested in the other video to my Bobber (Side cover machining, Shortened Spring, and Clip Clip Install. No more grinding out when she starts !! This video shows the start to finish install of the mods as well as the first startup after.
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We need more guys like you in shops now. All of them refuse to work on older bikes because they can’t just plug a computer in and solve the problem. All these kids fresh out of MMI yet they have no idea how to do basic diagnostics.
Thanks 👍. Yep, the local bike shops won’t hardly touch these old ones as they were never trained on the basics it seems. Just like auto shops and car dealers, if there’s no port to plug a computer into, they don’t seem to be able to diagnose anything any more lol. Thanks again and all the best ! Steve
I have done this mod today and finally my Virago starts without problems.
Hey man ! Thanks for the feedback that the mods worked for yours as well 👍. My bobber’s starting has been solid as a rock since doing the mods...even with really worn gears. All the best ! Steve
I just got me an 82 Virago 750 so I will be watching all of your vids over the next few days.
Thanks man 👍. Cool that you got a Gen 1 ! My bobber is an ‘82 750 as well 👍. My Stock bike is an ‘81 750, But both are really fun to ride...kinda grumpy sometimes, but as old as they are that’s to be expected, lol. All the best ! Steve
You the man Steve 😉. I always finish watching your videos with a smile on my face. Just impresses me the way you come up with solutions to any problems that come up. Like watching a one-man A-Team 😊. All the best from the UK 🙏.
memsybabe , thanks for the compliment ! I do enjoy trying to find solutions so these bikes aren’t so grumpy in their old age, lol. All the best to you too ! Steve
Great video. Wish I could have done this to mine. I removed the spring totally to try and gain a millimetre or 2.
How'd that work out for you?
@@roadkillsf.f.cgarage386 Well especially the four brush starter but there’s also another electrical modification which is very good. I’ll find the link to it for you.
@@roadkillsf.f.cgarage386 This guy is a genius, even has a video where he put a kick start on a XV750. But here is the link to the voltage stabiliser which apparently makes a lot of difference is quite simple fit. ua-cam.com/video/W9m97oR3Wi0/v-deo.html
Good informational video. Thanks.
Thanks man 👍. All the best, Steve
thanks buddy to take your time to do this kind of videos it is really helpfull for me.
Miguel Ruiz , thanks man ! Glad they help 👍. All the best, Steve
ps . you got two spare belts right there ! Nice bike !
Thanks man ! Yep, the family and friends all like the bobber over the stock bike and the Cafe build. These 1st Gens make nice looking bobbers and converting it wasn’t really all that hard to do as a mod. All the best ! Steve
Thanks !
👍. Yep, it’s still having zero issues with the gear grinding since doing the mod over a year ago (it’s still the same worn bendix gear that was in it 👍 ). Machining the case really helps with the gear engagement and combined with the clip and shortening the spring a bit seems to have fixed the problem completely.
If your looking to just buy one of the clip clamps I made on the lathe, I listed some out on eBay 👍. Here’s the link to them if interested: www.ebay.com/itm/225573144151?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=sfmcIdagSM-&sssrc=2051273&ssuid=sfmcIdagSM-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Thanks for watching and all the best ! Steve
Great videos!! I'm tired of my '83 XV750 grinding when I attempt to start it. I have two questions though. How many mm did you machine off of the inside of the side cover? How thick of spacers did you add to move the gear farther out? Definitely subscribed.
Edit: rewatched it the video. 2mm. Your awesome man!
Thanks man 👍. I was just getting ready to head out to the shop to measure the shims just to be sure when I saw that you had updated the comment, lol. Yep, I took off about 2.2mm to compensate for the thickness of the shims as they were just a little over 1mm thick each once the rubber bumper was removed from between them 👍. All the best ! Steve
Thanks for the great information! In the 20 minute footage of the video, why is the gear on the right side even though the rotation has stopped?
Thanks ! I actually rotated the gear by hand to engage it to show how far it had been engaging prior to the modifications. Normally when the motor starts, the flywheel would spin it back out and disengage it, but I wanted to see how much further it engaged so I began the video part with it already engaged a bit.
@@StevesDIYs Thank you Steve, you inspired me to fix my 1981 XV750. I am Japanese and I am not good at English. There is little information on the XV750 in Japan. It's a Japanese bike. Thank you for your reply.
Hey Steve! Thanks for the vid did the box of rox noise come back? Or has this solved the problem long term?
Hey ! Yep, the mods to the starting system eliminated the gear grinding completely and it’s been starting fine since the making of the video. It’s still noisy with the rattling when starting, but the gears don’t grind like they did before and has not had any more embarrassing grinding starts on trips 👍. All the best ! Steve
@@StevesDIYs Thanks so much for the reply years later! Wow! When you say rattling? Where do you think the rattling noice comes from?
hi Steve, i tried flip the gear (the other side it appear newer than the other..), remove the spring, but need to realize the clip.... do yo think that machine the cover it's alway necessary or it could be enough to add a washer to increase the engaging of the gears??
second question: which is the company of your drill?? i have the same and loos the handle and gear of slow going down... cannot find the spare parts.. also..did you add a fixing point to convert it from drill to milling machine ??
Hey man ! I don’t think it is really necessary to machine the cover and add the washer to make the starting tolerable, but it did seem to help some as well. Just adding a washer without machining the cover wouldn’t work though since the case prevents the gear from moving over and would be too tight with an additional washer if not machined. Also, flipping the gear over is not good as the other side of the gear is shaped differently in the teeth and will quickly wear the flywheel gear and damage it too (I wish they would take that video some guy did that shows up when “Virago starter problems” is googled as it has ruined a lot of flywheel gears IMO). Adding the clamp to the wire spring helped the most from my tests...there is a video of how to make one on the channel or I also have some on eBay if someone just wanted to buy one. For the milling machine question, mine is one of the original “Complex Machine” model RF-31 that was sold by harbor freight. It is very similar to the newer Central Machinery Model 33686 that is sold by harbor freight more recently. I’m not sure if parts can still be bought for them though as these models are a bit older. Hope this helps 👍. Steve
Hi steve, before than anything thaks for all your videos. I open my cover and i see they dont have spring. (i was thinking put the clip) soooo.... you think that if i put the clip whit no spring it will helps? I bougth the virago like 6 month ago and was working "good" with the noise but i want it get better. Thank you again
Roberto Sandoval , thanks man ! Is yours missing the curled spring (like the one I cut the last loop off of)? If it is missing this spring, putting the clip on should still help with the disengagement of the gears that makes the bad grinding noise (like you have to release the starter button and try to start it again because the gears disengaged totally). The spring does not help very much to other than to keep the bendix gear from slightly rubbing on the flywheel gear as you are riding and making a little rattle noise. I’ve read that some people just remove the curled spring so this may be what the previous owner of you bike did. Just a note, adding the clip doesn’t help much with the noise the starting system makes...it’s main purpose is to help the gears not disengage fully which causes the grinding of the starter. Hope this helps 👍, Steve
@@StevesDIYs thaks man. i was thinking that the spring function is return the gear, so I will try with out the curled spring. Im from mexico and is hard to find this things of old bikes.
Roberto Sandoval , 👍. Yep, the curled spring is not very strong...it can only move the gear away from the flywheel a small amount after the flywheel pushes it over from the motor starting. The action of the motor starting is what pushes the bendix gear over so it is released from the flywheel. I lived in SLP Mexico for several years, (yo hablo espanol...pero pokittttto, ja,ja) y yo recuerdo how difficult it was to find parts for my truck and motorcycle. All the best ! Steve
Any tips and tricks for getting that motor clean enough to paint? looking to do the same style to mine.
Thanks, love the videos.
Thanks man 👍. I actually just finished painting the motor for my Cafe build coming up in a few weeks so the timing is good on what steps I take to prep 👍. I’m sure there are other ways to prep and It’s a long read, but here goes lol: I always hang the motor up on something higher so I can see everything good. First I remove dirt and Non-oily stuff with soap and water then use an air compressor to blow the water that collects off. Next is scrubbing everything with gasoline to break down the oil that’s on the surfaces starting at the highest point and working my way down. To get inside the fins I take a toothbrush and grind the sides down so it will fit into the fins. After every surface has been scrubbed with gasoline and the motor blown off with air again, I take A Scotch-Brite scrubbing pad and rubbing alcohol and scrub between each of the fins that will be sanded after paint to be sure the paint will adhere to the fins and not flake off when the sides are sanded. I also Scotch-Brite the bigger surfaces of the motor with alcohol to be sure they are smooth. Next is to start at the top again and use rubbing alcohol and the toothbrush and go over all the surfaces one more time. Then the round covers are removed if they are to be a different color and they all get sanded and alcohol’ed. Alcohol with a rag on the surfaces where the covers came off and then tape up everything that doesn’t get painted. Finally time to paint the colors (which takes about 15 mins vs. the 4 hours of prep, lol). The black enamel will be dry to the touch in about an hour, but will still mark with a fingernail so while it’s still flexible I sand the fins using a small hard rubber block and 220 grit so it doesn’t sand around the fin sides (just sands the surface). Once sanded, I be sure to blow the motor off with air and wipe the big surfaces down with a soft towel as the sanding dust gets on everything. The last step is to clear coat the motor (which keeps the edges of the fins from peeling back and keeps the fins from oxidizing as the aluminum is bare from sanding on the fins). The clear is put on everything and that’s it 👍. I use the rattle can paint rated for 500 Deg F and seems to hold up well (my bobber paint job is about a year and a half old now and still looks like the day I painted it). Man that was a mouthful 🤣🤣. I should make a video of the prep and paint, as now that I think about it, there are a lot of steps to do, lol. Here’s a link to the Cafe’s motor freshly painted: facebook.com/stevesdiys/photos/a.155473795999070/231400945073021/?type=3 .All the best ! Steve
Great videos Steve. Does the clear coat need to be high temp or is there such a thing?
Thanks man ! I do use the high temp clear as well...especially in the heads. The also sell it at the autoparts stores 👍. All the best ! Steve
@@StevesDIYs thx Steve. That’s great to know there is a hi temp clear.
Did you design the shifter and brake pegs/ for controls? Would love to do this to my bike.
Hey man ! Yep, I made the bobber ones from the left over driver and passenger pegs and some stuff laying around the garage 👍. Another guy had asked if I’d make a video on how I made them so hopefully now that it’s warming up I can get out there and make another set so I can make a video 👍
@@StevesDIYs that would be awesome! Love your work with the Virago's. Wish I would have found your channel earlier!
@@shaunmartin1417 , thanks man 👍. I do have fun messing with these old bikes for sure.
Hi Steve i have an 1982 750 virago, I'm not massively mechanical minded is it best to shorten the spring or remove it completely as some seem to simply remove it? I'll be buying your Clip soon too.
Hey man ! I did try it both with just the spring shortened and also with it removed before, but I found that without the spring, I could hear the Bendix gear faintly rattling against the flywheel gear when the motor was running. I figure the spring helps just a little to push the gear away just at the last when it disengages and then keeps it back just slightly so it doesn’t touch the flywheel gear the whole time it’s running. I’ve seen some pics of the flywheel gear on some folks bikes on the forums and the teeth were worn very consistently and shiny which makes me think someone had removed the spring and the Bendix gear spent a lot of time bouncing against the side of the flywheel gear over the years. I just took one curl off of the spring so the gear could engage just a bit better on the depth, but still can push back a little. Removing the one curl makes it so that it will bottom out against the gear stop completely so removing anymore curls doesn’t really benefit anything in my opinion. Thanks man and all the best ! Steve
@@StevesDIYs awesome thanks man, absolute legend live your vids bro very helpful and clear. Have a good weekend man
@@stevejones8789 thanks man ! No problem...glad to help from things I’ve learned along the way (or my opinion on them anyway, lol) 👍. Have a good weekend to you too !
when i open my cover shit just fell out is there a diagram on where everything goes?
Hey man, yep if yours is a 1st Gen (‘81-‘83 or the ‘84-‘85 xv700) the starter gears tend to fall out when the cover is removed for sure. I’d say there are some schematics on the Yamahaparts website, but here’s a link to a video I did for the clip clip install that should help…if you jump to the 4:20 time stamp you’ll see how the gears and shim go back in: ua-cam.com/video/sHeldqKf13A/v-deo.html . Hope this helps and all the best ! Steve
What material did you use for the clip clip?
Hello, it’s made from copper, but has a tin coating on it which makes it look silver (that’s not needed though). It’s made from a big 4 AWG crimp-type wire connector that is the seamless type. I put some out on EBay for folks just wanting to buy one (here’s the link): www.ebay.com/itm/1981-1982-1983-Yamaha-Virago-Bendix-Clip-Clamp-Starter-Fix-xv750-xv920-xv700-/224435547617?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0 , but if you are a DIY’er like me, I also made a video of how I made them on the channel. Here’s the link to the video with the 4 AWG part I used and also the dimensions to make it (I’ll add the link in just a sec as I have to save this comment then edit it to add the video link). Here’s the link in how to make one: ua-cam.com/video/RW0z4axVmSc/v-deo.html . All the best ! Steve
Close enough for Government work I'd guess, as long as it can keep the mesh for most of the revolutions it's making to start your plant without buzz sawing the gear and the flywheel.
Yep, seems that there’s not much more that could be easily done to actually fix it. I’m sure some re-engineering could be done to fix it, but wouldn’t be something folks could easily do (at least anything I could think of). The bouncing gear is for sure annoying, but at least now it doesn’t jump all the way out and grind like crazy 👍. All the best ! Steve