First intelligible/true description I've been able to find of how this braking system works. Thanks! Also agree it's better that this car always lets the engine kick in under full acceleration regardless of the drive mode. If you're in Pure and you suddenly find that you need to accelerate out of a sticky situation (think merging onto the highway between two semis), 140 hp isn't really up to it in a car this size. That being stated, you literally need to floor it to get it out of Pure mode, so not a big deal either way.
I own a PHEV, and my goal is to use as little gasoline as I possibly can. When I need to go on a road trip, I don’t feel bad about using gas; that’s the whole point. That doesn’t mean an EV would be right for me, right now. I live in Nebraska and charging infrastructure is nowhere near what it needs to be for practical road trips. Sure, maybe if you’re just passing through the state on the Interstate you could make it work, but if you take road trips within the state, you’d be hard seriously sacrificing time because you drive an EV.
They have been building out the fast chargers in Norfolk, Columbus in Nebraska but I agree with you in general. Especially heading west towards aft Robinson.
@@seanm3ify Alex quantifies his review, showing data and numbers that he has accumulated himself. He measures 0-60 times and 60 to 0 stopping distance . He also covers things like tow ratings, wheel size and tire width. Alex is the car nerd's reviewer.
two things to respond to, as a current EV owner of two Nissan Leafs, the 'normal' Ford Focus gas vehicle, and now a PLUG IN HYBRID 22 Kia Sorento Sx Prestige: 1) those who choose a PLUG IN HYBRID, like us, yes, want to drive as much as possible in ALL ELECTRIC mode, matter - of - fact, would love to drive ALWAYS in electric mode, but the engine is there for long trips, times when charging the battery is not practical or available, etc. BUT, it's not only that - it's because finding certain 'trims' of vehicles in an ALL ELECTRIC model is not always available, such as this 3-ROW SEATING vehicle... there are only a CHOSEN FEW, if not only ONE, available in the U.S., if you can even FIND one, or you have the patience to WAIT for one, or the money to buy one. This Sorento PHEV is the wonderful 'in between' gas and EV vehicle, for the time being. Until the EV market matures and in several years there might be 3-row seating vehicles in all EV models. 2) The KIA Sorento PHEV allows for FULL TIME EV driving, as much, as often, and as FAST as you want, as long as it remains in EV mode. I have not noticed that it will EVER kick on the engine, no matter how you 'floor it' while in EV ONLY mode....which I appreciate. Of course, when you run down to 12-15% battery power, the vehicle is going to switch over to HEV mode, and the engine and battery are then going to work 'together'. Although, as another note, there are STILL times when the vehicle is in EV only mode, even though it may show as '0' miles available - it's designed to CONTINUE to assist the engine, working together. I find the EV mode absolutely amazing - and and my wife drive it to and from work EVERYDAY with no engine cranking, running, or using fuel. Yes, it's an ALL ELECTRIC vehicle, for practical purposes, most of the time. On the trip to Florida, of course, it is going to use the ENGINE most of the time - that's the beauty of the PHEV - NO STOPPING TO CHARGE. Yes, I'm waiting on my F150 LIGHTNING in a few months, but for the time being, and for my wife's concern, the Kia Sorento PHEV is absolutely a wonderful 'EV' vehicle, for most everyday usage.
I ordered an XC90 ER almost two months ago to replace my Ascent and can't wait to get it! Thanks for explaining the drive modes, and for the comparison to Toyota.
Great review. But, features focused rather than experienced-user focused. We have the 2022 XC-60 T8 regular range. Car has been to service 12 times now is 14 months since new. 10 of those visits were for software issues. Software version has gone from v1.7 to 2.5 in 14 months. We were on vacation for a month and batteries - both motor and starter batteries were dead. Had to call Volvo Roadside assistance for jumpstart. Seems the auto update feature keeps pinging the car which drains the batteries. Too many other issues to report here. Suggest going to Volvo user forums. On the plus side, our XC60 reads fuel avg is 61.1mpg and have 810mi since last fuel up. 1/8th of tank left. And very comfortable ride. Would not get anything less than the Intuition version (called something else now). We use Pure mode mostly to achieve this. While we love the car, Volvo software engineers working with Google engineers is a huge work in progress. We are going to trade this in for another brand of PHEV, but not too many out there.
Great review. I’m in the processing of trading my TM3P for a M3, been looking for a great PHEV to serve as my daily and this has been at the top of my list. When it comes to Price, range and performance this stacks above the rest. Like everyone has stated, having a Full electric is nice, but your restricted on the distance you want to travel. Not everywhere has chargers and even if it’s on your path having to wait 40 mins to charge every 240 miles is not pleasant. The PHEV really solves that issue. Specially if your daily commute is only 30 miles a day.
Excellent review that answered several questions regarding the new drivetrain. If you have any information on how the Polestar package differs from a power perspective, that would be helpful.
For me, vehicle utility is part of the decision between PHEV and EV. MachE, Model Y, Ioniq5, EV6, etc aren’t really SUVs with decent ground clearance etc … they’re more crossover/hatchback-like. Yes, Rivian or F150 Lightning are options for utility and ground clearance … but at a higher price point (if you can get your hands on one at all). I’m in that category where a full EV would meet 95%+ of my daily driving, but I don’t really like the choices that are 1) available and 2) under $60k. I’m sure the landscape will be different in a few years. Until then, PHEVs seem like the best option now. Can Toyota just release EV versions of the RAV4 and Tacoma already!?! Edit: ok, the C40/XC40 Recharge might be EVs to consider … just watched those reviews. ~$60k for 223mi range, though - that’s the next hurdle for me to get over psychologically.
The Green community wants EVs, all EV's, no more new ICE cars (an exaggeration but not a huge one). They are narrow minded and impossible to reason with, just like the 'Merican fossil fuel community that cringes and shakes their fist every time they see a Tesla and hear about a 'lectric Mustang. Neither side is reasonable nor do they make sense. Enough said. Alex, you have said it before. Is it better to build an EV with a single 100 KW battery, or a bunch of PHEVs which can be sold to a bunch of reasonable folks who will keep that small battery charged and get their 20 or 30 or 40 or more miles every day. Many drivers in this country can use this type of vehicle and they would rarely use the gasoline engine. And, when they wanted to take a trip out of the battery range, they have a gasoline engine/generator and can do so without blinking. PHEV's make so much sense in this country. The radicals on either side are not interested in them. That factoid from the Green community involves (nearly) only someone who would buy the vehicle and NEVER charge the battery, and even then I find the factoid a load of BS because the battery will recharge some while driving. --------- Excuse the rant. I was just watching Roman on TFLTalk and I caught the rant flu. As you were.
You nailed it😊👍. The tribalism is dumb. Our i3 REx allowed us to drive 24,000 miles last year on just 25 gallons of gasoline. Zero range anxiety. The 33kWh battery would be considered small, but it covered over 95% of our needs, and I'm ok with that☺
At one point you note how plug-in hybrids achieve nearly the same results as a full BEV with only one-fifth or one-sixth of the battery resources, but then you bag on Volt drivers for not buying full BEVs, with necessarily larger batteries using much more battery resources! Which is it? To me that's the beauty of the PHEV, uses less battery!
I see a lot of keyboard engineers claiming these ice systems with the turbo charged 4 banger are going to constantly fail. Well I have a 2015 V60 with the turbo charge 4-cylinder and the only issue we have had on our 7 year old car was a failed fuel sensor.
Hi Alex, on the XC90 22.5, EV mode will keep you in pure 100% elec, no ICE kicking in even if you floor it!!! It should be because of the still sensus operating system... Made 3000km so far with it, love it. However, downside, was at least once treaky while overtaking a lorry on country road, you forget that no extra power will come, in Pure!!! 2.6 l per 100km average consumption so far, rgds Henri
When someone does 99.9999% electric miles it's because he or she also has an ICE car for non-local trips. A PHEV with 35 mile electric range is a good solution if you have only one car. Short trips burn no gas. Longer trips avoid electric range anxiety.
I have a RAV4 Prime here in Canada and I have to say the RWD-only in EV mode is a deal breaker. The vehicle sure looks nice though, much more premium than mine. But I have AWD in EV mode and if I floor the accelerator it always stays in EV mode which I also like.
I hear you, however, I still struggle with math (range). 35 miles, so, maybe 50km for me in Canada and through in winter temperatures, what is my range. Should I buy a vehicle with two (2) propulsion systems? Sounds heavy, complicated and expensive. There has been at least one Volvo in my driveway for the last 50 years,. Currently a 2012 XC70 T6 and a Chevy Tahoe 5.3l Z71. I can't see buying a compromise vehicle that will soon have an obsolete battery system if I understand the Sodium Ion hype currently on the internet. I'm a young 75 and still enjoy a road trip.
Every time you talk about how the XC60 isn't a Land Rover we kinda take it personally lol. You're 100% right, but the XC with some good tires does pretty darn well! FWIW as you probably know there is no 'gasoline only' mode, so somewhat unfortunate you said that phrase in here. One of the top questions we get on our XC is 'how bad is the performance when the battery runs out?'. That literally never happens, it's designed to not do that because that would be dumb. It doesn't run out when driving fast nor driving to Tahoe, basically anything short of charging Pike's Peak isn't going to be any issue, it's simply not how hybrid systems are designed to work and maintain their minimum charge states. Love the new Volvo hybrid setup and even contemplated upgrading to get it along with a fun EU Delivery, but the lack of the drive mode switch is a total deal breaker for me. That's the most touched button in my XC after the door locks and I cannot imagine fighting the touch screen all the time to do it.
Not have one, but someone commented that vocal commands work well in xc60 extended range: "HEY GOOGLE, increase to 72F". I wonder if Google verbal command can change driving modes while moving down the highway.
You said if 90% of "your daily driving is EV, then not buy phev but get all ev". But still 10% needs ICE, & how about the fun of just driving a long day sightseeing trip beyond 35miles, & PHEV is good compromise until US charging stations are plentiful, or until every small town has a "swap" station on the corner where my EV car has quickly switchable battery packs, similar to putting in new flashlight batteries.
Almost all EV charging happens at home or at the office, so the cry for public charging doesn't actually fit the reality of living with an EV by the numbers.
Owning an XC60 for 3month now, and it's the worst purchase I have made in my entire life! 1- You buy a Volvo for its safety. However, for a simple task like switching steering assist on and off or changing drive mode, you must go to the deepest parts of the menu via the touch screen while driving. That's not what I call the safety focus of a brand! 2- Android system for cars is a joke at the moment. In the past two months, I had to hard reset the infotainment system (I learned it thanks to the Volvo owners forums) to resolve issues like Lost GPS signal, Malfunctioning Air conditioning in the middle of summer, voice command not responding etc... Have I not known about this hard reset, I had to take the brand new 90K car to dealer at least five times! 3-There are buttons that do nothing, and I have the highest spec possible. There are two on the steering wheel, as arrows to the left and right and do absolutely nothing! Why? Because they used to control the steering assist, but Volvo decided to save some money on wiring and moved it somewhere deep in the main menu of the touch screen. Then respect your customer and remove those buttons! 4- Driving dynamics aren't comparable to the ones of BMW, Build quality is not close to the one of AUDI... Safety is what remains, and You buy Volvo because of it! Then, with that touch screen and removing every single button on the car, safety is more of the past story for Volvo! Worst purchase of my life!
I worried about how big the battery is making the gasoline tank smaller thus making charging and gas fill ups constant and way more work then just dealing with gas or all electric
The first year or two of the PHEV XC60 did have a bit smaller fuel tank, back in like 2017/2018, but the 2019 model year it came back up over 18 gallons again and with this refresh all models of XC60 have an 18.8 gallon tank regardless of how hybrid they are.
I've been hoping for two years now to use the Overseas Delivery Program in Sweden. Still problematic in the areas we planned to visit during a couple of weeks tooling around...
First intelligible/true description I've been able to find of how this braking system works. Thanks! Also agree it's better that this car always lets the engine kick in under full acceleration regardless of the drive mode. If you're in Pure and you suddenly find that you need to accelerate out of a sticky situation (think merging onto the highway between two semis), 140 hp isn't really up to it in a car this size. That being stated, you literally need to floor it to get it out of Pure mode, so not a big deal either way.
I own a PHEV, and my goal is to use as little gasoline as I possibly can. When I need to go on a road trip, I don’t feel bad about using gas; that’s the whole point.
That doesn’t mean an EV would be right for me, right now. I live in Nebraska and charging infrastructure is nowhere near what it needs to be for practical road trips. Sure, maybe if you’re just passing through the state on the Interstate you could make it work, but if you take road trips within the state, you’d be hard seriously sacrificing time because you drive an EV.
They have been building out the fast chargers in Norfolk, Columbus in Nebraska but I agree with you in general. Especially heading west towards aft Robinson.
You are the best car reviewer I have seen in my hundreds of vids watched. Thanks so much for the thoughtful and solid review of this car.
Why?
@@seanm3ify Alex quantifies his review, showing data and numbers that he has accumulated himself. He measures 0-60 times and 60 to 0 stopping distance . He also covers things like tow ratings, wheel size and tire width. Alex is the car nerd's reviewer.
two things to respond to, as a current EV owner of two Nissan Leafs, the 'normal' Ford Focus gas vehicle, and now a PLUG IN HYBRID 22 Kia Sorento Sx Prestige: 1) those who choose a PLUG IN HYBRID, like us, yes, want to drive as much as possible in ALL ELECTRIC mode, matter - of - fact, would love to drive ALWAYS in electric mode, but the engine is there for long trips, times when charging the battery is not practical or available, etc. BUT, it's not only that - it's because finding certain 'trims' of vehicles in an ALL ELECTRIC model is not always available, such as this 3-ROW SEATING vehicle... there are only a CHOSEN FEW, if not only ONE, available in the U.S., if you can even FIND one, or you have the patience to WAIT for one, or the money to buy one. This Sorento PHEV is the wonderful 'in between' gas and EV vehicle, for the time being. Until the EV market matures and in several years there might be 3-row seating vehicles in all EV models.
2) The KIA Sorento PHEV allows for FULL TIME EV driving, as much, as often, and as FAST as you want, as long as it remains in EV mode. I have not noticed that it will EVER kick on the engine, no matter how you 'floor it' while in EV ONLY mode....which I appreciate. Of course, when you run down to 12-15% battery power, the vehicle is going to switch over to HEV mode, and the engine and battery are then going to work 'together'. Although, as another note, there are STILL times when the vehicle is in EV only mode, even though it may show as '0' miles available - it's designed to CONTINUE to assist the engine, working together. I find the EV mode absolutely amazing - and and my wife drive it to and from work EVERYDAY with no engine cranking, running, or using fuel. Yes, it's an ALL ELECTRIC vehicle, for practical purposes, most of the time. On the trip to Florida, of course, it is going to use the ENGINE most of the time - that's the beauty of the PHEV - NO STOPPING TO CHARGE.
Yes, I'm waiting on my F150 LIGHTNING in a few months, but for the time being, and for my wife's concern, the Kia Sorento PHEV is absolutely a wonderful 'EV' vehicle, for most everyday usage.
Re-watched the review ('cause I was ranting).
Good review as usual, Alex. Solid information and I don't feel like I missed anything.
I ordered an XC90 ER almost two months ago to replace my Ascent and can't wait to get it! Thanks for explaining the drive modes, and for the comparison to Toyota.
How was the ascent?
Other than gas mileage, we love it.
Love ur channels Alex!!
For review content My must haves are seat comfort, driver leg room (especially for left foot!), ride quality, and noise levels.
Great review. But, features focused rather than experienced-user focused. We have the 2022 XC-60 T8 regular range. Car has been to service 12 times now is 14 months since new. 10 of those visits were for software issues. Software version has gone from v1.7 to 2.5 in 14 months. We were on vacation for a month and batteries - both motor and starter batteries were dead. Had to call Volvo Roadside assistance for jumpstart. Seems the auto update feature keeps pinging the car which drains the batteries. Too many other issues to report here. Suggest going to Volvo user forums. On the plus side, our XC60 reads fuel avg is 61.1mpg and have 810mi since last fuel up. 1/8th of tank left. And very comfortable ride. Would not get anything less than the Intuition version (called something else now). We use Pure mode mostly to achieve this. While we love the car, Volvo software engineers working with Google engineers is a huge work in progress. We are going to trade this in for another brand of PHEV, but not too many out there.
I would recommend this vehicle. Plenty of power and well balanced...Impressive and quite
Great review. I’m in the processing of trading my TM3P for a M3, been looking for a great PHEV to serve as my daily and this has been at the top of my list. When it comes to Price, range and performance this stacks above the rest. Like everyone has stated, having a Full electric is nice, but your restricted on the distance you want to travel. Not everywhere has chargers and even if it’s on your path having to wait 40 mins to charge every 240 miles is not pleasant. The PHEV really solves that issue. Specially if your daily commute is only 30 miles a day.
Excellent review that answered several questions regarding the new drivetrain. If you have any information on how the Polestar package differs from a power perspective, that would be helpful.
great video. very informative!
Alex is among the best auto reviewers!
For me, vehicle utility is part of the decision between PHEV and EV. MachE, Model Y, Ioniq5, EV6, etc aren’t really SUVs with decent ground clearance etc … they’re more crossover/hatchback-like. Yes, Rivian or F150 Lightning are options for utility and ground clearance … but at a higher price point (if you can get your hands on one at all). I’m in that category where a full EV would meet 95%+ of my daily driving, but I don’t really like the choices that are 1) available and 2) under $60k. I’m sure the landscape will be different in a few years. Until then, PHEVs seem like the best option now. Can Toyota just release EV versions of the RAV4 and Tacoma already!?!
Edit: ok, the C40/XC40 Recharge might be EVs to consider … just watched those reviews. ~$60k for 223mi range, though - that’s the next hurdle for me to get over psychologically.
Check out the solterra
Also the BZ4 is pretty much a “RAV4” ev.
Alex is tops. Just talks to the subject at hand. Period. None of the "What's happening Bro" crap that a lot of reviewers use.
The Green community wants EVs, all EV's, no more new ICE cars (an exaggeration but not a huge one). They are narrow minded and impossible to reason with, just like the 'Merican fossil fuel community that cringes and shakes their fist every time they see a Tesla and hear about a 'lectric Mustang. Neither side is reasonable nor do they make sense.
Enough said.
Alex, you have said it before. Is it better to build an EV with a single 100 KW battery, or a bunch of PHEVs which can be sold to a bunch of reasonable folks who will keep that small battery charged and get their 20 or 30 or 40 or more miles every day. Many drivers in this country can use this type of vehicle and they would rarely use the gasoline engine. And, when they wanted to take a trip out of the battery range, they have a gasoline engine/generator and can do so without blinking.
PHEV's make so much sense in this country. The radicals on either side are not interested in them. That factoid from the Green community involves (nearly) only someone who would buy the vehicle and NEVER charge the battery, and even then I find the factoid a load of BS because the battery will recharge some while driving.
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Excuse the rant. I was just watching Roman on TFLTalk and I caught the rant flu.
As you were.
You nailed it😊👍.
The tribalism is dumb.
Our i3 REx allowed us to drive 24,000 miles last year on just 25 gallons of gasoline. Zero range anxiety.
The 33kWh battery would be considered small, but it covered over 95% of our needs, and I'm ok with that☺
At one point you note how plug-in hybrids achieve nearly the same results as a full BEV with only one-fifth or one-sixth of the battery resources, but then you bag on Volt drivers for not buying full BEVs, with necessarily larger batteries using much more battery resources! Which is it? To me that's the beauty of the PHEV, uses less battery!
@EV Buyers Guide . Yes, could be!! I'm in Germany... Would be nice to be tried if you can get an XC90 22.5 in the US!!
Alex, why do Volvo PHEV station wagons have a $20K price markup over PHEV SUVs?
What does “coming up soon “ mean?!
I see a lot of keyboard engineers claiming these ice systems with the turbo charged 4 banger are going to constantly fail. Well I have a 2015 V60 with the turbo charge 4-cylinder and the only issue we have had on our 7 year old car was a failed fuel sensor.
Hi Alex, on the XC90 22.5, EV mode will keep you in pure 100% elec, no ICE kicking in even if you floor it!!! It should be because of the still sensus operating system... Made 3000km so far with it, love it. However, downside, was at least once treaky while overtaking a lorry on country road, you forget that no extra power will come, in Pure!!! 2.6 l per 100km average consumption so far, rgds Henri
This may be a market-by-market thing, but in the USA the XC90 in Pure mode will still use the engine if you floor it. Where are you located?
Very nice car, guaranteed money pit .
When someone does 99.9999% electric miles it's because he or she also has an ICE car for non-local trips. A PHEV with 35 mile electric range is a good solution if you have only one car. Short trips burn no gas. Longer trips avoid electric range anxiety.
I have a RAV4 Prime here in Canada and I have to say the RWD-only in EV mode is a deal breaker. The vehicle sure looks nice though, much more premium than mine. But I have AWD in EV mode and if I floor the accelerator it always stays in EV mode which I also like.
I hear you, however, I still struggle with math (range). 35 miles, so, maybe 50km for me in Canada and through in winter temperatures, what is my range. Should I buy a vehicle with two (2) propulsion systems? Sounds heavy, complicated and expensive. There has been at least one Volvo in my driveway for the last 50 years,. Currently a 2012 XC70 T6 and a Chevy Tahoe 5.3l Z71. I can't see buying a compromise vehicle that will soon have an obsolete battery system if I understand the Sodium Ion hype currently on the internet. I'm a young 75 and still enjoy a road trip.
Every time you talk about how the XC60 isn't a Land Rover we kinda take it personally lol. You're 100% right, but the XC with some good tires does pretty darn well! FWIW as you probably know there is no 'gasoline only' mode, so somewhat unfortunate you said that phrase in here. One of the top questions we get on our XC is 'how bad is the performance when the battery runs out?'. That literally never happens, it's designed to not do that because that would be dumb. It doesn't run out when driving fast nor driving to Tahoe, basically anything short of charging Pike's Peak isn't going to be any issue, it's simply not how hybrid systems are designed to work and maintain their minimum charge states. Love the new Volvo hybrid setup and even contemplated upgrading to get it along with a fun EU Delivery, but the lack of the drive mode switch is a total deal breaker for me. That's the most touched button in my XC after the door locks and I cannot imagine fighting the touch screen all the time to do it.
Not have one, but someone commented that vocal commands work well in xc60 extended range: "HEY GOOGLE, increase to 72F".
I wonder if Google verbal command can change driving modes while moving down the highway.
I want it just for the 450 horsepower and plan to drive it like a jet fighter taking off a carrier deck.
You said if 90% of "your daily driving is EV, then not buy phev but get all ev". But still 10% needs ICE, & how about the fun of just driving a long day sightseeing trip beyond 35miles, & PHEV is good compromise until US charging stations are plentiful, or until every small town has a "swap" station on the corner where my EV car has quickly switchable battery packs, similar to putting in new flashlight batteries.
Alex might’ve made the assumption that you live in CA where charger stations available on every business corners.
Almost all EV charging happens at home or at the office, so the cry for public charging doesn't actually fit the reality of living with an EV by the numbers.
Owning an XC60 for 3month now, and it's the worst purchase I have made in my entire life!
1- You buy a Volvo for its safety. However, for a simple task like switching steering assist on and off or changing drive mode, you must go to the deepest parts of the menu via the touch screen while driving. That's not what I call the safety focus of a brand!
2- Android system for cars is a joke at the moment. In the past two months, I had to hard reset the infotainment system (I learned it thanks to the Volvo owners forums) to resolve issues like Lost GPS signal, Malfunctioning Air conditioning in the middle of summer, voice command not responding etc... Have I not known about this hard reset, I had to take the brand new 90K car to dealer at least five times!
3-There are buttons that do nothing, and I have the highest spec possible. There are two on the steering wheel, as arrows to the left and right and do absolutely nothing! Why? Because they used to control the steering assist, but Volvo decided to save some money on wiring and moved it somewhere deep in the main menu of the touch screen. Then respect your customer and remove those buttons!
4- Driving dynamics aren't comparable to the ones of BMW, Build quality is not close to the one of AUDI... Safety is what remains, and You buy Volvo because of it! Then, with that touch screen and removing every single button on the car, safety is more of the past story for Volvo!
Worst purchase of my life!
I worried about how big the battery is making the gasoline tank smaller thus making charging and gas fill ups constant and way more work then just dealing with gas or all electric
The first year or two of the PHEV XC60 did have a bit smaller fuel tank, back in like 2017/2018, but the 2019 model year it came back up over 18 gallons again and with this refresh all models of XC60 have an 18.8 gallon tank regardless of how hybrid they are.
I will wait for next year's XC60 phev that'll get 50 miles of electric only range. It will also have a mild refresh look and updated trim levels.
I've been hoping for two years now to use the Overseas Delivery Program in Sweden. Still problematic in the areas we planned to visit during a couple of weeks tooling around...
It doesn't make sense that they would refresh mid 2022 only to do a new system in 2023. A lot of money and effort for half a year
Isn't that Alex on autos? Wth
Got to make sure you get in those Tesla mentions. Not sure what that has to do with a PHEV.
Not my cup of tea.