Larry Bird 48/15/7 vs. Rockets (1985)

This game was during the same week as his 60 pt game.

[@elgriego331]

How can you not say BIRD was the Best Ever after watching? Totally unstoppable.

[@newerafrican]

That would stop a clock

[@TheMimetolithman]

@@newerafrican stop it'

[@jaymoney6233]

Because there's a guy named Michael Jordan

[@joshuasussman4020]

Yes, Michael is the only contender. But even Michael didn’t have Bird’s passing and rebounding skills.

[@davemartino5997]

@@jaymoney6233 yo ya mean the Jordan who got swept twice by Larry in playoffs?

[@frostnip]

dude bird was so damn good its frightening

[@mrho4speed]

Another display of why Bird was the best player ever. His creativity is off the chart. The bounce pass between Akeem's legs is SIC! Jack Sikma and Joe Barry Carrol shouldn't feel so bad. Bird had the ability to change the arc of his shot while retaining accuracy, 7ft -4 Sampson? just float it over him, Akeem? use the left hand and confuse him. His ambidexterity was incredible, court vision like no other, hustle like Pete Rose, great hands and unbelieveable shooter. Thanks Fatal!!

[@mcgo2836]

mrgrandprix fourspeed only Bird has the confidence to do those passes. Game was so easy for him. It just comes naturally for him to be great to ball.

[@MerkinMuffly]

@sinjinthule So true. I really get tired of the "slow, couldn't jump, couldn't run" crap, as if any white guy off the street could play NBA basketball if you gave him Bird's brain, pure crap. Bird was a great athlete and probably in better cardiovascular condition than anyone he played against. He had the quickest hands in basketball I've ever seen. Your talking about a guy that played nearly 40 minutes a game and you can barely see him breathing, in 99 degree, humid Boston Garden.

[@joekoule]

If I had a son, I would want him to play like Bird.

[@MerkinMuffly]

@mattc941 This is Hakeem f*ing Olajuwon, the most athletic center since Wilt, with the intensity of a Bill Russell. This guy was like a panther, Bird made a lot of great athletes and HoFers look slow. Ewing, Robinson and Olajuwon were two of the greatest shot blockers ever, I never remember Bird having trouble with getting his shot up on them. Athleticism wasn't born in 2000, but basketball IQ and teamplay really took a nosedive.

[@KH-pr5qb]

The Real GOAT

[@TonyinMBSC8669]

A prime example of Bird and the Celtics humiliating Sampson & Akeem. They came SO close to sweeping them in the 85-86 finals. It all ended with Birds Triple Double in game 6, 29 pts, 11 rebounds & 12 assists. Just goes to show you what smart TEAM play, fundamentals & passing can do to an otherwise good team like the Rockets. After knocking off the defending champion Lakers, the Rockets were completely destroyed by the Celtics. IMO, the 86 Celtics are BEST OVERALL NBA team ever assembled!!

[@mcgo2836]

Edward Anthony Leone Bird was so great that you just cant find anyone like him. Absolutely the best!!! If you remove Bird, the 86 celtics would have just been a mediocre team.

[@dkcocopun]

they would have beaten the Lakers in '87, but, Parrish & McHale & Walton were really hurt!

[@dutchtea8354]

@@dkcocopun And Ainge

[@esdrasmakumbi4438]

@@mcgo2836I disagree they’d be a 50 win team if Bird is gone

[@fatal9ish]

he went right at them too. look at :46 for example, uses headfakes, left hand and spin on the ball to evade all the athletic defenders...just so crafty. it's pretty amusing to see Bird switching to his left hand anytime Hakeem/Sampson are expecting to block a right handed shot from him.

[@st_robert_bellarmine]

The move at 0:46 is simply amazing.

[@atlaslion5128]

Damn. Look at the talent on that floor.

[@clevisbernier8973]

Larry just plays perfect basketball. It's unreal.

[@iambillym1]

Great video to see all of Bird´s skills on display.

[@biffysix]

thanks fatal9ish! It was like watching a Larry Bird shooting display and hustle highlight film.

[@MerkinMuffly]

There was nothing like watching an uninjured Bird at the height of his powers, it's too bad he up his hand in a bar fight after game 2 against Philly in 85 playoffs.
Insane hustle, and the pass, no one cold have made that pass but Bird: 2:51

[@mcgo2836]

The way basketball should be played. Bird is the GOAT!!

[@AKSBSU]

I've been fortune enough to see the peak years of Bird, Jordan, and Hakeem. They could be absolutely unstoppable.

[@SeecretWeapon]

he just put it thru the legs of one of the best defenders ever

[@trhansen3244]

He did that to Olajuwon more than once. Bird actually loved it when Olajuwon guarded him.

[@natedaug1]

These shots Bird is making are actually amazing. The skill level to make some of those shots are just as high as any of Jordan's, Kobe's, Magic's, or anyone else's skillful shots.

[@irishgrl]

natedaug1
Maybe more so.

[@acornsucks2111]

That dive and pass at 3:00.

[@orqsilva]

I wish Bird would have not dived for loose balls and took better care of himself physically. He might have had more years like this. He was a true artist on the court. This game gives you an idea of how Bird would fare in today's game with its lax defense. A certain amount of contact and banging makes the game more interesting.

[@sportsfanatic1936]

He left it all out there on the floor.

[@rollotomasi4045]

2:56...Bird's impact on a game without shooting.

[@jjs777fzr]

@2:20 Bird pass to Parish BETWEEN the legs of Olajuwon. Yeah. Olajuwon. Over the years I have counted 6 defenders that fell victim to the between the legs pass by Bird.

[@MerkinMuffly]

I saw Bird school so many great athletes, he knew how to use their athleticism against them like no one ever. You can see the hesitation and 2nd guessing he causes Hakeem with all the fakes. I don't think hakeem jumps one time to block any of Bird's shots, and Hakeem had the reflexes of a panther.

[@gavinothegreat5765]

bird best ever, wow makes other team look JV, imagine if they had goteen len bias, wow they were already one of best teams ever in 1986

[@chrispaschal7955]

One of the best teams ever with Len Bias is the best team ever.

[@isiahwashington2999]

If you studied every game he ever played, you can’t play like Larry Bird. His mind processed the game at the highest level ever and his will to win was unmatched. He can do things no one else could ever do except when they dream. He is as Michael Jordan said “clear”. The basketball spirit. Thank you Larry.

[@davidcallaham60]

Greatest player of all time , before him or in his era or now he would have and you did and would today and that is destroy everyone who was on him ..best player every !!! One thing we can't forget the team around him was super Magic and had no egos they just said give the ball to Bird !!🏆🏆🏆🏆🏀🏀🏀🏀

[@MSHkr]

I will assume you are a youngster who never actually got to watch Bird, Magic, Kareem, Jordan, Dr. J, and others from this era. Otherwise, you could not make this comment. Offense in the 80's was all about spacing and ball movement. It is VERY hard for a defense to cope with real ball movement and good offensive plays. Today's game is all me-first isolation plays -- to see who gets on the highlight reel. Bird torched every athletic player he faced by using their 'athleticism' against them.

[@mcgo2836]

MSHkr so true! Which why i cant stand watching the game nowadays. Its all iso and 3s. Boring.

[@newerafrican]

SF's can't physically handle Larry and PF's can't keep up with him. A 6'10" guard basically who could also dominate deep in the paint against the Twin Towers with the mental toughness/intel to beat you to the next move.

[@TheMimetolithman]

6-9

[@newerafrican]

@@TheMimetolithman Yeah, they listed him as 6'9" but if you see him next to Magic, Bird is definitely taller. Maybe part of Red Aurbach's strategy along with the "Hick from French Lick" to keep opponents guessing.

[@JakeStine]

Both Bird and McHale looked to me to be under-listed by an inch (Bird is 6'10 and McHale is 6'11, and Parish is 7'1" as-listed). Dunno how Red Aurbach managed that, but I'm sure it helped create confusion and mismatches for years.

[@juju100000]

Bird in his prime is crazy

[@FavreianVengeance]

2:19 - LMAO - Through legs of Hakeem.

[@frankdascoli709]

And that’s like his 3rd best “between the legs” pass on a great defender. The one against Michael Cooper when he was being blanketed by Cooper was so good the announcers didn’t even notice it was through the legs and behind the back

[@adamr6794]

Sunday afternoon on St Patrick's Day. My friend shook Bill Russell's hand that day. Bird was awesome and Chief poured in 38 pts dealing with the Houston Big Men

[@kbranum007]

now Kevin McHale is the coach of The Houston Rockets...crazy.

[@baronvonraschke77]

I know Hakeem was just a rookie then....but jesus, did anyone ever pass it between his legs like that? I highly doubt it, the guy was a goalie in soccer before he took up basketball. He had the proverbial cat like reflexes. Can't believe that pass! And Bill Russell: "Nice bounce pass. NICE bounce pass." He knew the deal.

[@euroamerican5189]

Bird sure did make a lot of great players look very average at best

[@MerkinMuffly]

It's called ball-movement, when you stand around and give the ball to a ball hog that drives the lane every play down court it's an effective way of scoring points. When you pass the ball around, baskets become much easier to make. THe funny thing is Larry Bird has a better defensive rating than Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Paul Pierce, Dirk Novitski, Tony Parker, ect.When Bird was out on the court, the opposing teams points when down.

[@cindyknudson2715]

Truth

[@markw7297]

Larry Bird has more nutmegs than anyone in history.

[@sportsfanatic1936]

Better than Jordan

[@jjs777fzr]

@2:18 Bird pass to Parish THROUGH the legs of Olajuwon. Through! the legs! How many plays have you seen like that by anyone and doing it to Olajuwon. Welcome to the NBA Olajuwon. Meet Larry Bird. Pay attention because I’m gonna teach you some hoop.

[@HagFan87]

jjs777fzr when you treat a first ballot hall of famer like a scrub you know you’re beyond hall of fame!

[@iambillym1]

You youngsters have no clue. Today´s NBA players are in no sense more athletic than those in the 1980s, the NBA´s Golden Decade.

[@deathtoideologues]

The most athletic and explosive players in the 80's were every bit as explosive and athletic as today's players however there is a greater depth of athleticism now than the 80's which will always be the nba's greatest era. When Bird and Magic retired and Pat Riley went from the Lakers to the Knicks that's when that era ended.

[@fideltorres6380]

Bird guarding Samson and schooling him, unreal.

[@gotherealex]

RIP Ray Williams

[@isiahwashington2999]

Larry Bird, transcendent. At his peak simply the greatest player ever to lace them up.

[@guillaumea5527]

Not afraid at all to go inside against the twin towers; it looks even fun for him!

[@christopherhazel2837]

Greatest ever. EVER.

[@joshuasussman4020]

Think hard about this sentence: Larry Bird mastered the game of basketball.

[@cindyknudson2715]

Yes.he.did.

[@kunkushun1]

my lord he owned them lol whew jeeze.

[@saturndual32]

Yep, me too. Glad you brought that up.

[@MrGiantkiller33]

Unreal! How did Larry put on a scoring clinic against a good Rocket team?

[@FavreianVengeance]

@CostCordero I like the analogy but not the exclusion of Magic and Kareem. I think at his peak, Bird had more weapons at his disposal than Magic or Kareem. Though with Worthy they certainly made arguably the toughest trio in the history of basketball.

[@sugarnads]

Take kareems signature shot away and he isnt a very high scorer.
Dunno why noone ever rushed him from behind while he was preparing and flat out stole the damn ball out his hand. Looked to be begging for it every time.

[@cindyknudson2715]

@@sugarnads Larry Bird's All Star game compilation video 👍
I don't remember if, within that video, it's 85, 86 or 87 but 😁 you will LOVE it when you see it.

[@cindyknudson2715]

@@sugarnads 1985 (I think) All-Star game. Bird swipes it right out of his hands. It's a thing of beauty. ☺️

[@cindyknudson2715]

@@sugarnads 😂. I guess I really meant what I said. I'll go check on the year. 🤦🏻‍♀️
1986 (right around 13:50)
ua-cam.com/video/Oi8RX5wMZeQ/v-deo.html

[@mmaj8982]

as crazy as this might sound, but here it goes......underrated.

[@Colstonewall]

Considering some today like to claim LeBron is "better than Bird", I'd say you're 100% correct. There's no way in hell LeBron is a better player than Bird. I don't give a shit if LeBron wins 3 more rings, he's not a better player in any sense. .
Maybe "prettier" than Bird in some ways, but certainly not better. And I think LeBron is a great player, it's nothing against him, but few that have ever played the game could control and dominate the game like Bird. He could dominate a game without taking a shot.

[@ppgshook]

Bird was better shooter , passer and one top two clutch players of all time
Jordan and him
Are 1 and 2 can't go wrong with either one
If it wasn't for magic, Kareem and worthy' s great laker teams Bird might have had 5 rings

[@frostnip]

u smokin something i dont know about?....bro....lebron a bad dude but bird was way more gooder....trust me...a fact...not a miracle

[@tombstone1111]

If anyone ranks Larry Legend as low as #2 of all time, then you are correct. He's underrated.

[@cindyknudson2715]

@@tombstone1111 Truth 👍

[@bryanburnap4537]

Huge Celtics fan and was 12 in 86. One thing I forgot about the 86 Finals the Rockets were without John Lucas. Now John Lucas or no John Lucas the Celtics were beating the Rockets in 6 games regardless. But if you remember the 87 playoffs Lucas was killing the Celtics while with Milwaukee. I think 87 may have been his best year with the Bucks. Like I said it would not have made a difference. But having Lucas at point is better than Allan Leavel or Lewis Loud.

[@MerkinMuffly]

@mattc941 athleticism? wtf are you talking about, this is Hakeem, f**king Olajuwon, the most athletic center ever with the exception of Wilt Chamberlain, this guy was like a giant panther ready to pounce on anything that came to the basket. damnit, do some research, athleticism wasn't invented in 2000, the 80s have plenty of HOFers to prove it, more HOFers than the 90 and 2000s will ever have. Hakeem would eat dwight howard up, the intensity isn't even comparable.

[@SirrCharles34]

Great vid!

[@gavinothegreat5765]

318 worth price of ticket to see that pass

[@iambillym1]

Hakeem is easily the fastest and quickest center ever.

[@capitanfuturo594]

Larry Bird was the best all-around player in NBA history.

[@mannme13]

3:10 nothing but net I mean the bottom of the net

[@usnate1]

With the zone defense they allowed today Bird would ANNIHILATE other teams. Get on him he'd still score, but less often and then he'd use his passing ability to beat you there....fuck these people who say that Bird wouldn't make it...dude is an animal.

[@chrisserong4966]

Anyone who thinks Bird wouldn’t dominate the modern league has no clue about basketball. Larry would dominate any era. The guy had it all but what separates him from most of the other top players in history is that he was mentally tougher than anyone. That’s why he was clutch

[@iambillym1]

I guess you never saw Hakeem run down fast breaks.

[@SeecretWeapon]

@mattc941
2:48
theres your intensity. not one game all year do you see that in todays NBA

[@ezsmith3765]

2:20
OK I know Bird did it to Sikma. I know he did it to another guy from maybe the Pacers, Warriors or Cavs in maybe ‘84.
But here at 2:22 he bounce passes through the legs of Olajuwon. That’s HAKEEM “The Dream” Olajuwon. One of the top 5 Centers of ALL TIME. Hakeem is right up there with Wilt, Kareem, Shaq ... and Larry just threw a bounce pass through his legs. 😳😳😳
😃😅😂😆🤣🤪🤣😆

[@cindyknudson2715]

👍 ☘️ Larry Legend
I wish someone would put together a compilation video that highlighted all his "between the legs" passes. 🙂

[@ppgshook]

sikma and joe barry carroll are not the only players bird has passed the ball through their legs, olujawon got it in this game also lol

[@mrho4speed]

Daniel, Bird also did it to Uwe Blap ( to DJ for a layup) and to Ron Seikely of the Heat and to Michael Cooper in the Forum in LA. You will have to search a bit but they are all on you tube. Bird's creativity and quick hands were unbelieveable.

[@toscodav]

Bird can't play D??? He smothered the shit out of Sampson. They always talk about the bounce pass through sikmas legs. In reality, Bird did that to many players.

[@73Trident]

Quite often in fact.

[@leebrandt33]

Why didn't you show all his shots?

[@fatal9ish]

you realize the paint is being protected by Hakeem/Sampson, who are as athletic as any center today, and Hakeem is arguably the best defensive center ever? remember also that you only see MADE baskets, not the numerous times the defense forces a miss.

[@usnate1]

@mattc941 Yes b/c no player in history can run faster than the ball can move...case in point '04 Pistons both on paper and individually not even close to the '04 Lakers....but they beat them playing fundamental ball movement teamwork ball....screw that, This year 2011 Finals...The Heat are 1 on 1 the better team but it doesn't matter when you play team ball like the Mavs did....its no different then as it is now. When the game is played the best way...it is a Teams win not a superstars.

[@vincenzodelauretis5331]

who is nr. 20? I don't remember him

[@lejoe48]

Larry Bird: 2:48 @hrivethead I completely agree

[@mattc941]

You guys notice a real lack of solid defense in these videos? It just doesnt seem to be the same intensity or athleticism. How many layups or points in the paint do you see. It was a differernt time and different era.

[@mattc941]

@jakemcclain30 THAT is true, I agree 100%.

[@charliekennedy2545]

Wow

[@usnate1]

@jakemcclain30 I agree with the driving...but bird is Kevin Love on the boards now...KL is a great example of top players that aren't overly athletic who still dominate. Bird would eat up offensive rebounds.

[@joshuasussman8112]

Pick and roll at 2:23 TEXTBOOK.

[@samuelmorales2344]

Nah. Hakeem wasn't a slow center, but he wasn't the fastest. He just had explosive moves. Before he caught the ball in the paint, he already made up his mind what he was going to do. Hakeem was very well coordinated though. Dwight Howard is faster than Hakeem but poor coordination, really doesn't have explosive offense. Dwight needs a lot of space to operate to score 1 on 1 with his strength & athleticism. He is as fast as any other fast center, but explosive without hesitation.

[@mattc941]

@fatal9ish well thats my point, how do we know that he is as athletic as any center in the league. We'll never know because of the generation gap so I have to use what I see in the videos to make that determination. This is true, you only see made baskets but I watched bball back then when I was a little kid and I was replays of these games from time to time and its still my opinion. Cheers.

[@mattc941]

@usnate1 Its true, as a team, they are all about themselves and all about self-promoting. Amazing how much more muscle bound players there are today, but this could be for the reasons you mentioned and also somewhat of evolution or even legal types of roids.. Thanks for responding, lets hope we have a season this year to even watch.

[@Defender80s]

@CostCordero Its funny how kids today was a bad defender just watch how he defends Sampson

[@Trump-ty9nj]

ralf sampson was a demigod give him 50 shots

[@marzilyas]

@usnate1 there is a lot of money bet on the NCAA tourney-- there is no way that a couple of teams of amateurs playing with a 35-second shot clock trumps professionals who score twice as much per game.

[@MovieHound17]

the dream could come into the nba now still and be better than most of the scrubs C's they are way to slow.

[@mattc941]

@jakemcclain30 Yes they are selfish, but the good defensive teams are really good.

[@marzilyas]

@usnate1 Shannon Brown's athleticism + Kevin Love's work ethic = Michael Jordan

[@FavreianVengeance]

@fatal9ish If Bird was scoring 48 and getting 7 dimes, I'm not sure there were numerous misses lol (especially since Larry wasn't a high volume shooter compared to many so-called stars). I'd love to see a box score for this game.

[@pbody4080]

2:19

[@mattc941]

@jakemcclain30 I love Bird.

[@irishgrl]

@3:15 😂

[@mattc941]

@usnate1 Yes no doubt team basketball is faaar superior from the teams of the 80's and those dynasties but would be they beat out the sheer dominate one on one game and atheletcism of today? It would be awesome to watch, thats for damn sure. Peace.

[@samuelmorales2344]

@mattc941 well if you can't determine who was the most athletic center, why do you insist you can determine that the league was much less althletic back then? You are contradicting yourself.

[@capitanfuturo594]

(1:25) *GOAT*
That basket was so magical. 🤪

[@gavinschuette9826]

me coach of housing in 85: guards no shoot unless wide ralf n akeem 50 each shots

[@SeecretWeapon]

@usnate1
Lebron lol.... cant post up. play off the ball. catch and shoot consistently. needs to ball hog to get teammates involved and isn't the rebounder Bird is.
Best SF ever? not happening

[@pretorious700]

Excellent Houston team, but not particularly strong defensively.

[@mattc941]

@jakemcclain30 I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can, but I was 10 years old during the glory days of this basketball. Yes players are very selfish today, but there are still super defensive defensive teams of the last 20 years. Hakeem was super athletic but my point is more to the type of players he played against. They are miles behind athletically and ability wise from the best of today and I don't see much ability in that video.

[@sugarnads]

mattc941 jesus wept. Do you think athletes sat around playing with their dicks and smoking and drinking when they werent playing back then?
No dopey. They TRAINED. Just like they do now. The ONLY difference is they measure more shit now than they did then.
Interval training is still interval training.
Beep tests are still beep tests.
Weights and road work still the same then.
Anyone would think they invented scientific training with muh millenials,
Grow up.
I watched a modern celtics game on here the other day. They look like CHILDREN in a playground compared to the celtics of the 80s.
Theyre no faster on the break. They dont jump any higher. And heres the thing...their rebounding was almmost nonexistent. No hustle. No (when i say no i mean very little) offensive rebounding contesting. Just wander up the court double dribbling when theyre not actually carrying, run a screen (didnt seem to be much IQ in the play) and if that didnt work well...take a shot and wander back the other way. Their was none of the high speed ball movement and no running lines to give the ball carrier someone to make an actual offensive pass to in an attempt to wrong foot the defence. It looked BASIC.
The Bird's team would eat these kids alive.
Im not very knowledgeable about basketball.
But i DO know squash. And let me tell you right now. The 7 time winner of the British Open in the 70s and early 80s -geoff hunt, and the 10 time winner thru the 80s and into the 90s, jahengir khan, if they could be magically transported in their prime, to today and handed the modern equipment currently in use, well those two would utterly wipe the floor with the current players. They were atleast as fit, and atleast as fast as ANYONE laying the game now, and their pure racket skills were, in my semi professional estimation, better. And theyre mentally tougher.
How much faster is usain bolt than carl lewis? Not. Much. And most of that difference will be more fast twitch fibres. Genetics in other words. Not training.
Just coz today has fancy computers etc doesnt mean athletes from the 70s-80s etc werent as fit and fast as they are today. Thats just gross arrogance. Hell there are still olympic records from back then still standing.

[@irishgrl]

The Mongoose
THANK YOU! I’m sick of the know-nothings coming along saying yesteryears players were nothing next to “the athleticism of today’s players...”. Such a ridiculous notion! Bird REGULARLY schooled players who were “better athletes.” Bulging muscles and grandstanding moves do NOT make you “more athletic” or a better player! Just like stats only tell part of the picture! Larry Legend would have had far far better stats were he not such a TEAM player! The most unselfish player I ever saw! Far more impressive from my perspective to see a player share the ball than one who hogs it for the glory to pad his own stats. Half of MJ’S mystique was marketing, pure & simple. And I’m old enuff to have watched Larry in his prime, and to have seen MJ become huge thru promotion & marketing.

[@mikemcgrath6150]

First thing anyone ever says about him , even to begin a compliment, is how unathletic bird was. But it always looks like hes easily going passed ppl.

[@cindyknudson2715]

Truth

[@mattc941]

@MerkinMuffly I would take the current day players over them for one reason. They are much more talented, bigger, stronger, etc. They may have played better teamplay but talent, 99% wins. Look at the pro athletes from any sport from 30 years ago, the players were smaller and didn't lift weights etc.

[@krisharkleroad8]

More talented? What does that mean? They certainly can get away with palming and carrying the basketball these days, as well as traveling (give them some made up gather step now). I think some of the older players had more skills and fundamentals. Bird would dominate today.

[@usnate1]

@SamuelMoralesJr 2 words Kevin Love...not an athletic big man by a long shot...but is the best rebounder and inside scorer as I've seen in a couple years. If athleticism trumps skill then Shannon Brown is more effective than Kevin Love...but it just isn't the case. Athleticism helps in certain scenarios sure, but it DOES NOT take years of practice to become what you are naturally.

[@samuelmorales2344]

Hakeem wasn't faster than Dwight Howard. He wasn't quicker than Moses Malone. Hakeem was good because he had good coordination, & explosive moves. Moses Malone wasn't slow center. I don't even think Hakeem was faster than Tim Duncan. Moses, Tim Duncan were not slow big men, but one wasn't faster than other. They were around the same.

[@usnate1]

0:47 would've been a foul today...and 1. You better believe the FT would've counted too.Please don't compare bird to anyone except jordan, magic, oscar....no comparison to anyone else...Kobe and Lebron don't have IT.

[@mattc941]

weight training didn't appear to be as relevant then.. players appear to be bigger/stronger today but again just my opinion.

[@cindyknudson2715]

What purpose do _bigger_ and _stronger_ have really have in today's no contact basketball?