Starts Under $30K, But How Does It Run?
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- CNC Machinist gives an exclusive walk through our new Syil CNC Machine. Shows controls and runs program.
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00:00 Intro to our new Syil CNC Machines
00:15 Syil cnc Machine walk through
01:35 Reviewing the Syil Tool Changer
02:26 Our Mission with Syil CNC Machines
04:00 Continuing Syil walk through
04:17 Reviewing the Syil Monitor & Keyboard
07:14 Using the Tool Changer
07:31 Continuing Syil walk through
09:22 Testing & Running a program
10:18 Syil Outro
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Hi Jessie I own a similar X7 but with a umbrella tool changer and same Syntec 22MA controller. Just a point of clarification. The small container at the rear of the machine is there to catch used lubricating oil from the slide/way bearings. There may be coolant mixed with the oil but I have never found this to be the case in any significant volume. A more appropraite term for the box is an oil skimmer. A tramp oil hose should be fitted on the left hand side and fed into a oil waste container. For some reason this hose is never supplied?? Looking forward to your machining exercise. Also can you show viewers how you check the intensifier oil level inside the spindle enclosure and how long it takes. Cheers John
Nice video Jessie, great explanation, easy to follow, breaks down the machine nicely!
My dad bought a lot of CNCs ... But the award goes to the CNC he bought for my mum's business ... Just a large CNC router with a 6m table ... It's so quiet and yet the dimensions are always perfect ... Plus it's Chinese and unexpected ... The lesson is ... Know who you buy from and in person
Yes the arm is fast it’s allways been super fast it’s the dwells and the ramp up/ ramp down times that lead to longer than typical tool changes on these machines. Perhaps yall are waiting to get the ladder refined and some pro level tuning before you actually show real world use case changes but if you cut the scene in the next video we will know lol. Gotta show at least 2-3 tool changes in one uncut clip to be transparent and honest about the times. Preloaded tool change dosent really tell the story. Not picking on anyone just pointing out that honesty and transparency is the best policy. No ones mad it’s not as fast as machines that cost 3x people just wanna see things realistically. Make good choices team 👍🏻
The read ahead in the controller should already cue the next tool. With that being said I have a 12.5hp hsk spindle on my cnc router and this machine doesn't really impress me at all for the price. I want to see one actually machining something other than aluminum with a .020" step over. Maybe some 4340 with 20% step over on a 1/2" with .004 per tooth feed rate.
His next video they will be machining Monel
you do know you can most likely have the next tool ready in the pot most machines with this system work that way like lets say tool 1 is running but you need tool 5 next you can have the machine prep tool 5 in the ready spot while tool 1 runs so it should always change fast like shown in the video
@@christopherhorne8665 haven't done any 4340 yet but I've run 316SS at 250 SFM / 70ish IPM with a 1/2" 5 flute. 0.8" DOC and .075" radial. Could probably do more with a better tool but I was only at 30% on the spindle load. Had to back off a bit because it started getting noisy. There's only so much you're going to be able to get away with given that its only a 30 taper spindle.
@@electro740ye, its about the programming, you just need the memory to store the schedule
Oh man I am ready for that K500! Great first peak at the Syil X7.
I love how clean they look, I see why they're good for the value. Also that tool change is fast, I'd argue faster than the DVF machines, can't wait to see these in action.
Amazing machines. Looking forward to more videos on these 💪💥
Very impressive, appreciate the detailed review
Great machine. I was also super surprised how quiet the spindle was when I heard it in person. I had to ask if it was running because I couldn't believe how quiet it was compared to all the other machines we have around the shop. Very clean and quality machine. Ready to see how it cuts the monel👏
Nice overview Jessie, very informative!
Keen to see one of these go through some material
Next video
tune in on DBZ next episode .........@@TITANSofCNC
Hello, I have some questions about the machine with a Siemens control system. Are there any options that are not enabled in the control system? Is Shopmill included in the package? Is it correct that the programs cannot be larger than 3 MB ? Thanks for the answers in advance.
This company makes a 5 axis that MSRP $80K is just amazing. Ray Stormont
Great machine
I'm really excited to see that you guys are the distributors for this machine! I've been looking to finally have a "real" CNC in my garage, and I've been trying to decide between the X5 and X7 for a year, already!
Love this content and think the mission is great! Any plans to distribute in Canada?
When is the next video coming on the cutting? I think all of us are on the edge of our seats waiting to see it cut monel! Haha
Next week😁
Do they make any bigger machines? @@TITANSofCNC
Nice for a proto or garage shop
Great, Clear video! Does the Syntec control have a toolpath backplot graphical display?
Old school speed tests, what kind oof MRR can these get? They look like a Robodrill, but can I get one equipped to perform like a Robodrill?
I want this machine so much. Their spindle accuracy is better than a HAAS. My wife and I have it in our plans to buy one in 4 years to get started with our injection molding business that needs an accurate machine. Thank you, Titan team, for all you do.
yeah rigth
Thats "Right." Not rigth.@@carlossegovia3011
Define "Spindle accuracy".
I've tested the HAAS we have and it's 0 tenths TIR on the spindle and repeatability is about 2 tenths and that machine is going on 9 years old.
Depends on how accurate you work. And what kind of tools you use.
Never cheap out on your milling cutters if accuracy is important.
Injection molding business and one of these? If you plan on doing mold work, I’d plan on investing into a Roku Roku….
Or a Mazak at least…
Nice machine.
Nice review.
Looks like alot of value for the money.
I know if you guys are the vendor, must be good.👍
So wished my shop would use seimens controls there stuck in the past and use fanuc
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very nice
One thing I’d have to know before purchasing is service. Where is there support service in the East coast? More specific the Phila area.
Hello! Great question! Keith Granno would have better insight. If you fill out this form, he will be in touch to answer any questions or concerns you may have. titansofcnc.com/pages/talk-to-keith
Is this ul listed or equivalent for u.s. installations?
Yaaaasssssss Jessie. I'm buying a machine tomorrow!
Looks good
Is it possible to purchase these machines in Germany?
Looks nice ! What ever happened to your Tormach videos ?
They are on the channel with all the other videos. Use the search function
I need this in my shop asap!!!
Is there enough room inside the machine to just cut off that lip at the tool changer to add longer tools? Would that work, or do you need that lip inside?
This falls into putting the right work into the right machine….
@@KnoxGTXyeah but at the same time you have to work with what you have. Not everyone has other machine options to chose from.
Hello. Does anybody knows if this controller can execute High speed machining codes? Is better a Fanuc controller perhaps for that? How does it compares with the Fanuc ? Thanks
According to SYIL, they're designed and manufactured in-house in China, while they outsource some components and accessories from other countries.
"SYIL machine tools are designed, Our machinery and equipment are designed, manufactured, and tested in our factory in China. Components and accessories are manufactured in-house or sourced from around the globe from our partners in Germany, Japan, and Switzerland. These products go through quality assurance procedures developed and controlled by our in-house engineering team."
Where could we find the 3d model for the air and coolant holder? Really need to find more time to spend on my X7.
you can just design and print it through 3d printer
Hello! Great question! When the model becomes available, you can access it on TITANS of CNC Academy. academy.titansofcnc.com
What's the control most comparable too. If Heidenhain's one extreme Fanuc is the other and Mazatrol is somewhere in there?
This one is similar to Fanuc but you can get Siemens also.
Looks like a really nice machine. Just curious what type of spindle? Looks like maybe a BT-30? Nice video😊
It is a 12k BT30
How do you keep your floor so clean? XD
Titan went from “American Built! Bringing manufacturing BACK to the U.S.A.!” to “yeah, it’s assembled in China but we are making money on it so..” 😂😂😂
Yes, and in order to bring more manufaturing back, there must be affordable well working machines aviable, to get even more people into machining. The vaule creation aroundt the fabrication of the machine itself is peanuts compared to the value the machine can create in its lifetime, in America, by Americans.
I'm pretty new to CNC and I get confused a little bit, what is the difference between the LNC and Syntec controller?
Main differences between different control systems are the max power of main motor and servo motors. LNC up to 3 kw main motor, Syntec 12 kw. One can find details at Syil main page
Lnc machines are 3 phase, the controller it self is single phase but all the drives are 3 phase, its a great suprise when your machine turns up and you then need to buy a phase converter because everyone keeps saying it’s a single phase controller
Mine runs on single phase. Do you have the big VFD for the spindle (Purple)? They put 2 sizes in the LNC. I think the LCN machines sold to Europe are normally 3 phase.
I would be very interested in a detailed accuracy report for this machine. In my opinion, there must be alot of trickery involved to achieve decent accuracy at that price.
yeah me too, I think that would be the final nail in the coffin if they could make 3 parts in monel or inconel, cmm them and give us a report on how it did for repeatability.
@mobilePCreviews let's be honest, what shop is buying a $30k machine to cut monel or inconel. I'd be curious on accuracy and rigidity in SS, 704, 4130 4140PHT. Something a startup company is more inclined to see rather than an exotic material not every shop runs across
@@markpetovic2062 if they can cut monel with any kind of accuracy, it would probably cut stainless, 4140, A2, etc. just fine. That is the point of using monel as a test piece.
can you make pre-call tool, can you run hsm g-code, do you have a program to warm-up, have option for tsc , it's easy to plug and play with cobot? Nice work dont stop :)
Yes, yes, warm up programs are easy to write, hsk63 spindle has through spindle coolant. Don’t know about automation, they were rumored to have been working on something several years ago.
@@cskovach thanks, i dont know if it's the same macro to fanuc or not, yes Hsk have a lot a force grip to make secure to use high pressure tsc for small tool, sure for cobot the other option is use cobot to push cycle start , and wait for m30 signal to repeat, need to use with plc or with the remote control(robot if y have a lot a i/o),
I don't know anything about it if i have I/o on the drive directly (sinumerik syntec or lnc controller) or add i/o board and add line to ladder to work, glass scale(double encoder axis)? double compensation pitch error? thermo compensation? Very nice compact machine, the controller need a good hmi , or have a good receipe, send, cycle start, next :P
@@cskovach yes, and as for the warm-up, for the ramping of the spindle, it could have an oscillation of speed and use m3 and m4 alternately to distribute the lubrication well. and as for the axes, it would be good to have a specific point at the end of the stroke, also make oscillations to ensure good lubrication and heating not just of linear movement but a kind of wave in the first 4 and last inch, the oscillation would put a force on the components which would allow a better distribution of the heating and ensure good lubrication in the ends, the lubrication is controlled by volumetric lubrication, but the ladder is directed by itself. a timer or a movement counter, it is obvious that the heating of the ends is important, because you can always lubricate compared to the others, the last point is the minimum distance so that the balls of the ball bearings are optimal, the ball recirculation outside the ball bearing does not have the same heating impact as that subject to the internal mechanical constraints of the ball bearing.
Interesting 🧐. At this price..?! What sort of tolerance and repeatability can this machine hold? Actually hold; not what the papers claim I mean. Still could be worth looking into it I guess.
We will show you… tenths
There’s a UA-camr called MaDeuceRules who made a video on it, pretty incredible was holding tenths
@@TITANSofCNC am waiting buddy 🙏🏻 as we run jobs requiring 0.0002” repeatability; only 2 brands machines in the shop can run those jobs without trouble. And those aren’t cheap brands 🫣. Am intrigued and will be waiting and sharing this video for sure. Thank you guys 🙏🏻
As a Kitamura fan I too am interested to see the tolerance of the SYIL machines. @@mahmoudelraiis
Reading lots of the complaints about being slow with tool changes its due to the slow down from spindle so chip to chip
We show the full change in the video… 3 sec
@@TITANSofCNC sorry didn't explain myself great. The newer x7 s may be better but the older ones the spindle ramp is slower than some expect. So when the z is all the way down and at 10 k it can take the full 16 seconds. This i believe was on Siemens which is longer because the ladder logic is not setup to allow the drum to rotate while machining so you cannot precall tools.
@LoneWolfPrecisionLLC I have a 2021 X7 with the Siemens 808d Advanced and 16t sidemount atc. It can't rotate the tool magazine while the machine is running. So my best case chip to chip tool change time is about 11 seconds and my work case is about 18 seconds. Even guys with the newer machines and the Syntec control are getting 10 second chip to chip tool changes.
I love the machine. But it's got slow tool changes.
@@jamesfrancis9520 yep. I am hoping to get a syil in a few months (financing fell through or I'd have one now) so I've been lurking for quite a while. Think I recognize your name from the group
my 1992 kitamura mycenter zero is quicker :o@@jamesfrancis9520
When I first saw the machine I thought it better have quality sheet metal. The ways and ball screws are like whatever but the sheet metal…I actually like what Titans of CNC are doing but focusing on the sheet metal was funny and also maybe a little suspect. I hope it is a quality machine. There are so many budget machine tool options out there and it is so hard to tell what is good and what isn’t.
We put out a video talking about the stainless way covers and high level ball screws. All top of the line… came out about a week ago
@@TITANSofCNC fair enough.
Does it come with a free fill up of synergy?
Unfortunately, we don't have that arrangement at the moment 😅Have you or someone you know used Synergy before? We would love to hear your thoughts on the product!
@@BlaserSwisslubetube I do use it for the last 2 years in my robodrill. It's good stuff, only downsides are tapping is not it's strong suit and brass corrosion
@@BlaserSwisslubetube also. I text my rep, that guy is ON IT!! absolute champion.
@@Robodriller Great to hear! We take pride in our service just as much as our products!
@@Robodriller How often do you machine brass? Is it only a small percentage of your jobs?
I would like to see a comparative in terms of precision with othe cnc manufactureres, i'm not a fan of "assembled" in chins due to pour quality control, there's for example an agie assembled in china and it's way worse than the one in Switzerland
I hang my air line on the right door handle. Keeps it out of the way
hello Do you need to customize metal or plastic parts from China?
We have our own cnc machine and die-casting machine in Shenzhen, China.
Yeeeesssssss, now we need Barry for some cutting demos 😂
Next video
I prefer Jessie.
4 Seconds* hot shot
This machine is available in india???
Ask the Syil factory
excited to see what it can do.
We have the x5 with the same control. Different buttons.... why is life so hard.
How much does it cost to have a complete setup with enough tooling to be able make something with it ?
Hello! Great question! Keith Granno would have better insight. If you fill out this form, he will be in touch to answer any questions or concerns you may have. titansofcnc.com/pages/talk-to-keith
How about there Lathe Machines
They are adding the new epoxy granite … come out in Q4
Hey guys. Love what you do. Have you considered CRYOGENIC MACHINING?????
Looking forward to chips flying and side by side same part and material with vf2
I’ve always had a dream of one day maybe just maybe of having my own shop I have ideas all the time while I’m at work of processes and other things that I think of ways to improve on but to be honest I think if your gonna have your own shop you should probably already have a product designed otherwise you have no use for it I guess I could always try and go the contract route but idk how well I would be able to do that but mark my words I will have my own shop one day ive also always wondered should I go lathe first or mill first idk beats me
Would advice to develop products first, prototypes, have a business plan, 'is there a demand out there large enough?, and at what is the market willing to pay?' before larger investments as own cnc's. To have something manufactured is not the bigger issue, but having the right products to manufacture, and being able to marked and sell. Good luck
Is it just me or does the interface look something out of windows 95? I would think it would look more modern. FYI Im not a machinest I just like cnc
Pretty standard in machining. Even expensive machines like from DNS with the cool iHMI panel, there’s still the legacy fanuc side. It’s not pretty but it’s good
One thing that Haas offers is in-house financing. What does Titans of CNC offer for financing?
Yep, we have financing
As someone who uses Haas on a daily basis (VF6 & ST15), for the tools they sell, you need that in-house financing.😅
I am happy I am not footing the bill.
what is the height of the syil x5 without the light on top
About 2000 mm +/- from what I see. One need to contact Titans to have it confirmed, when critical.
str8 hitting it with some K500? damn u really believe on those l guess
Let’s GOOO…
Hello guys, put that Haimer to [0] ZERO (8:50), .......... you'r 0.03 mm off even before you start. 😜
Well, nice machine, I want one for hobby at home.
It runs. But how does it hold up to production, daily tasks? Small bumps from the novice operators who buy this? Crash one let’s see how it handles rich boys
Can you guys do a video on delivery. Do you guys deliver to the buyers house? Or do we need to hire someone to rigg the machine. Is the machine packaged inside a box? The reason why I ask is because I live in a Home association community and this machine would fit perfectly in my garage but I don't want to raise too much attention when the machine gets delivered.
They are not into logistics, but likely have partners within the field.There need to be someone with a forklift involved. One can find videos of delivery of X7 machines, among else, pre-Titan. Comes in a plywood box. There will be attention regarding a delivery and installation. One can possible do it early in the day, after some neighbours have gone to work. Would asked questions via Titan website contact form. The salesguy is usually quite quick to replay. He hardly have time for these comment fileds in the many vidoes
There are plenty of unboxing vids on youtube. Yes you'll need a rigger
How much horse power?
16 HP for 30 min burst
@@TITANSofCNC This sounds like the spindle motor is 7.5KW with a peak of 11KW for 30 min. That is about 16HP.
@@car9167It is 8.2 kw continous and 12kw for 30 minutes.
Look forward to seeing it cut some parts. As an after thought you clearly where showing an X7, your title said starts under $30,000, don't start out already misleading people. Thats like showing a $100,000 pickup and saying starts at $25,000, yea for a KIA.
The price difference between the 5 and 7 is not very significant.
have you tested the fehlmann 56 top ?
So my question is, Titan talks about bringing manufacturing back to the US, and yet they are pushing hard these Chinese machines. Quality machine or not, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
It's not in manufacturing the cnc machines themselves the big values are, that's small business in the big picture, and in the US it's a 'micro business'. When one talk about bringing manufacturing back to the US, it's about the products manufactured with the use of cnc machines, among else. The big value regarding a cnc machine, whatever brand, lays in the parts it can create, for years to come. By Americans. In America. A 30.000 USD machine vs potenstially make 1 million worth of parts. Titans wants to push machines that they feel are best value for money, to help more people being able getting started in the business.
Where's the Monel vid.?
GET THE PROBE, don't cheap out on this.
the only acceptable starter machine is a kern
Interested
I want one
Yasda is just waiting for you guys to purchase their 5-axis PX30i
It still assembled in China. Why Can't you send the the parts here to America and have it assembled here, you know, create jobs here instead of in China.
Having an affordable machine that Machinists can buy… enables more machinists to start their own companies and to manufacture more parts in America.
The potential value created regarding assembling the machines themselves are peanuts compared to the potenital value created from the use of the machines
And also very low value add@@Rimrock300
Made in china not bad using taiwan syntec control beautiful
I've learned today it is radius not diameter. 😭 Took me 2 wks and a phone call to expert (Doug) to find out I am dyslexic.
who tf uses single phase these days hoooly
Just someone who wants to put one in their garage…
If you are a garage hobby machinist like myself, single phase is a desirable option. I have to run a large VFD on my vintage Bridgeport CNC.
@@varmint243davev7if you're going to spend the money on a machine like this it doesn't make any sense to limit yourself to 3 hp with the single phase control. Might as well just buy a tormach at that point.
I want to put one in my garage.
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Jesus invented Resurrection.
Choy Sun invented Money.
Who invented the CNC mill?
Crazy how you decided to back a Chinese machine company while claiming to be bringing back mfg back to the usa. Change the channel name to sell outs of cnc maybe?
Made in china....
lol as Jessie states in the video.. Assembled in China but amazing parts sourced from Germany, Japan, Switzerland, etc
We got a HAAS fan boy here. HAAS will never hold the tolerances this machine can.
Pays to watch the video. Addressed not even five minutes in.
80% of an HAAS made in.....oh...lets not name names
My only concern is supply chain issues. I wonder how Syil did last time because that’s a lot of connecting pieces to make this work.
What size linear guids this machine have