Historical Events that Didn't Happen Like You Think

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  • @HistoricTravels
    @HistoricTravels 8 місяців тому +1087

    Afternoon, I am a titanic UA-camr and I do overall enjoy your content but you got several things wrong with your Titanic section in this video. The biggest thing that stood out to me was your comment about the coal fire. True the titanic was on fire during the voyage but those black marks you showed in photos were not caused by the fire. The fire was further aft in the starboard side coal bunker of boiler room 6. Underneath the first funnel. The fire didn’t damage titanic like many people claim. Second while it is true the steal/iron standards for 1912 are not as good as they are today. For the time Titanic was built very strong and I’ve never heard of the ship leaking pre sinking. Third the binoculars wouldn’t of helped that night at all. Ship crews don’t use them at night it would be like looking at a black wall. The best way to spot ice in the conditions titanic was in was to stare at the horizon and try to notice the outline of the iceberg against the horizon. Plus you need to mention the cold water mirage. Overall I like your content but be very careful when researching titanic. A lot of bad information out there.

    • @minanminan9484
      @minanminan9484 8 місяців тому +9

      Interesting.. maybe i should go back to ships

    • @Deveolgaming1912
      @Deveolgaming1912 8 місяців тому +32

      Well said Sam

    • @ToastGhost
      @ToastGhost 8 місяців тому +23

      Wasn't expecting to find you here

    • @xismecwilliams9604
      @xismecwilliams9604 8 місяців тому +57

      He didn’t research clearly 😅. The shadows on the side of the ship are literally that “shadows”. Not warping of the steel as he says. He always gets titanic stories wrong even britannic he put a picture of the 1930s britannic when trying to be factual about the 1914 britannic. 😅

    • @katiepompom9146
      @katiepompom9146 8 місяців тому +13

      You tell him King 👑

  • @SirToxe
    @SirToxe 8 місяців тому +448

    I am German (13 at the time) and the fall of The Wall was absolutely WILD! Days before and after. We couldn’t believe what was happening and it was a miracle that it went completely peaceful.

    • @Repeal_22nd_Amendment
      @Repeal_22nd_Amendment 8 місяців тому +1

      Days BEFORE??

    • @gottfriedosterbach3907
      @gottfriedosterbach3907 8 місяців тому +22

      Well, it wasn't a flash mob. Things did happen leading up to it.

    • @gottfriedosterbach3907
      @gottfriedosterbach3907 8 місяців тому +2

      If you meant please share, I do apologize.

    • @Repeal_22nd_Amendment
      @Repeal_22nd_Amendment 8 місяців тому +4

      I'm surprised that the fall of the Wall was predicted before it happened. Everybody knew the Soviets were reeling, and we all hoped and prayed, but very few, if any, KNEW with certainty that the Soviets would abandon the Wall.

    • @Hillbilly001
      @Hillbilly001 8 місяців тому +33

      I was posted to W Germany in the mid 80's. 85-87. When the Wall came down, you weren't the only one that was surprised. We watched it live at the barracks. Still it's hard to imagine that the abomination of the Inner German Border is gone. Enjoy. Cheers from a former US Army soldier.

  • @klti0815
    @klti0815 8 місяців тому +70

    Schabowskis answer to the question by the reporter is legendary here with anyone above a certain age, and it was definitely a minor miracle the right commanders were on duty that night, and everyone remembered they were human, this could have so easily turned into a bloodbath.

    • @SeraphRyan
      @SeraphRyan 8 місяців тому +12

      There seemed to be a lot of that during the cold war, like 2 instances where the "procedure" would have been to launch nukes, but one sub commander and one radar technician decided the world wouldn't end today.

    • @ShimmyD-u7g
      @ShimmyD-u7g 8 місяців тому +4

      @@SeraphRyan Yes, that submarine story is one of the most amazing "what if's" that has occurred in history. And yet it is so unknown, those guys decision saved the world.

    • @Leyrann
      @Leyrann 2 місяці тому

      @@ShimmyD-u7g With the submarine there is actually a theory that the guy who said no was under secret orders from Moscow to _always_ say no, no matter what, in order to avoid potentially starting a nuclear war - with the same mechanism being present anywhere people could possibly decide to launch without contact with Moscow. As far as I'm aware there is no actual proof for this though.

  • @thamirivonjaahri6378
    @thamirivonjaahri6378 8 місяців тому +283

    Regarding Titanic, I can literally see reaction from Mike (Oceanliner Designs channel) comin'. Dude literally started his passion for ships (and channel itself) with Titanic and I trust him to be one of the well acknowledged in the subject

    • @tjay84
      @tjay84 8 місяців тому +70

      It’s the first time I gave one of Simon’s videos a dislike. That segment is just filled with errors!

    • @andrewdillon7837
      @andrewdillon7837 8 місяців тому +8

      Mike is an expert on Titanic ,,um , Ask him about the steam engines..and How they work ,,

    • @MisterOcclusion
      @MisterOcclusion 8 місяців тому +16

      I recently discovered his channel. Really in depth

    • @bunnymad5049
      @bunnymad5049 8 місяців тому +16

      Mike is amazing.

    • @Zooropa1310
      @Zooropa1310 8 місяців тому +22

      My thoughts exactly 😅"Oohhh Mike is going to have something to say about this..."

  • @manekinskajloker7589
    @manekinskajloker7589 8 місяців тому +81

    I'll try to make it short. As always, I love to watch the channel, BUT Whoever wrote the script for Simon did not do any research on the titanic and probably just seen bunch of conspiracy videos on the subject: 1 Olympic had 2 compartments flooded after collision with hawk and basically limped to port. 2 - rivets in comparison to MODERN STANDARDS were subpar, BUT for the Era, they were top quality. 3 that mark on the photo showing the "fire damage" is NOWERE NEAR the place where fire took place (from outside look) the damaged area was below the water line and on that photo is just literally a smudge on the picture). 4 titanic had inoperative telegraph after they left Europe and only got fixed on the morning day before the sinking. I was not expecting that many errors from such a great show like this, not gonna lie I'm a bit disappointed 😅

    • @salvadordollyparton666
      @salvadordollyparton666 6 місяців тому +1

      well, he didn't say rivets in general, he said titanic's rivets were substandard... compared to other rivets of the time, which there is evidence to back that up. and they make errors all the time. experts make errors, and i don't know that any of his writers ever claimed to be experts in one particular field, let alone singular event. do you think they actually travel to source material for every video and do real research? or just themselves piece everything together from others also just piecing together sources ten times removed? and what "conspiracies"? none of this is anything other than common accounts of what happened, errors and all. nothing about the ship being switched for insurance, or any of the other stuff. do you really think anything on youtube is infallible? cause that is high level naiveté son... lemme tell ya.

    • @carlingram8316
      @carlingram8316 4 місяці тому +6

      @@salvadordollyparton666 you’re right that most videos on UA-cam aren’t 100% accurate. But when the whole premise and title of your video is about setting the record straight about specific events, those should be thoroughly researched and correct. Otherwise they’re just spreading a different wrong story.

    • @Heathcoatman
      @Heathcoatman Місяць тому

      @@salvadordollyparton666 If you are going to refute established history, you cant also use the excuse that 'well, sometimes they get things wrong'. When you come out and claim that everyone else is wrong, you had better be 100% right, otherwise it's just clickbait nonsense.

  • @casinodelonge
    @casinodelonge 8 місяців тому +47

    Re the Titanic, a significant reason why the lifeboats left undermanned was that the crew thought the davits supporting the boats weren't rated to lower the boats fully loaded, when they actually were as a drill covering this had been held previously. Also of course, the collapsible boats on top of the wheelhouse also were not deployed on time either.

    • @stoffls
      @stoffls 8 місяців тому +14

      it was also the fact that Charles Lightoller - the most senior officer to survive the sinking - interpreted "women and children first" as "women and children only" and did not allow men into the lifeboats, although there were no women or children present. So they left half full, while First Officer Murdoch filled the lifeboats to capacity.
      And one correction to the video: the Titanic had more places in lifeboats than were actually demanded by law at this time. Lifeboats were actually seen as possible transport to a rescue vessel, and were supposed to ferry the passengers over. Unfortunately there was no ship close enough to arrive in time, that heard the distress call.

    • @CaptoftheHaggister
      @CaptoftheHaggister 8 місяців тому +2

      Actually all but one of the collapsible boats did release in time. The last one floated out instead of been lowered but still launched ... barely.
      As for the there not been enough it was seen in them days as being a on a major shipping route never that fall away from a ship to rescue them. The boats was supposed to be filled ans then just wait for help. They was supposed to be filled, take them over to the rescue ship then return to the sinking one to get more passengers.

    • @jaywoelfel9228
      @jaywoelfel9228 8 місяців тому

      The second Officer Lightoller told the lifeboats to remain nearby to pick up passengers who would be in the water after the sinking, but virtually none of them did so. The race was to get the lifeboats off the ship before a tilt rendered that impossible. They, the crew, almost succeeded in this, as the final two collapsable lifeboats both did manage to get free also, though one was capsized, even it saved live as people climbed ontop of it and it remained afloat most of the night.

  • @Sulfuron41
    @Sulfuron41 8 місяців тому +99

    As soon as I saw the Titanic, I immediately went to the comments and wasn't disappointed lol

    • @whillard2447
      @whillard2447 8 місяців тому +3

      Same here

    • @exodore2000
      @exodore2000 8 місяців тому +4

      Yea first time I disagreed with one of these Simon videos.

    • @antoniogomespereira6667
      @antoniogomespereira6667 8 місяців тому +2

      Same!

    • @connorbranscombe6819
      @connorbranscombe6819 8 місяців тому +8

      @@exodore2000It’s a good reason to avoid general history/knowledge channels like this, as soon as you watch a video on a topic you have intimate knowledge of you realize how much they get wrong.
      Then just extrapolate to topics you don’t have intimate knowledge on and it’s a very safe assumption *most* of the things they say are incorrect.

    • @wedgeantilles8575
      @wedgeantilles8575 5 місяців тому

      @@connorbranscombe6819 This.
      When I watch a new channel I first try to find a video about a topic I know a lot about.
      If this video is well, then there is a good chance the rest will be good as well.
      If the video is bad, well, then there is every chance that the other videos will just be as bad.

  • @samcarpenter_
    @samcarpenter_ 8 місяців тому +84

    Worth noting that the steel and rivet quality on the Titanic was exceptional for the time, the reports of 'leaking' due to bad rivets are false. The steel was brittle by today's standards but was just as good as anything else being put onto ships in the 1910s - H&W were the world's leading shipbuilder. They did NOT cheap out on materials as is suggested here. The reports of any kind of 'warping' of the hull from the coal fire are completely made up too, and the mark at 8:45 is just a smudge on the lens and is too far forward from where the coal fire was actually burning. Quite a lot of already debunked stuff has made its way into this video.

    • @qz6332
      @qz6332 8 місяців тому +5

      Every source I checked disagrees with you. They were wrought-iron rivets, while the hull was made of steel (NIST, John Hopkins, Titanic History Society, etc)

    • @qz6332
      @qz6332 8 місяців тому +5

      Also I noticed that you disagreed with the quality, but it wasn’t bad quality, it was poor construction which is different. Poor construction means that regardless of quality, it wasn’t designed properly for what it was doing and where it was going. The highest quality iron would still be brittle compared to steel

    • @johns9652
      @johns9652 8 місяців тому +2

      I've seen multiple movies and video clips about Titanic, long before Leo DiCaprio declared himself "King of the World". I am aware of the theory that a coalfire weakened the hull. I just don't know.

    • @lloydevans2900
      @lloydevans2900 8 місяців тому +3

      While it may well be true that both the hull plating steel and the rivet steel were as high quality as any other steel used at the time, it is not necessarily the quality of the steel which was the problem, but the conditions it was subjected to during construction. At the time the Titanic and other Olympic class ships were built, welding was not commonly used for ship construction - the more common method for joining steel plates together was hot-riveting. This is where the rivets are first heated up to red hot (almost to the melting point of the steel), inserted into the holes in the two plates to be joined and then hammered together while still hot. The hammering could either be done by hand or with hydraulic tools, but either way, once complete, the rivet would cool down fairly quickly, causing thermal contraction, which would pull the two plates together extremely tightly. This was considered the strongest and most reliable way of joining metal plates together before it was superseded by welding.
      As strong as this hot-riveting technique was, it did cause a significant problem: The rapid cooling of the steel the rivets were made of would make them more brittle than the steel plates they joined together, even if the quality of the steel both the plates and the rivets were made of was identical to begin with. So the steel the rivets were made from would not have to be bad in order to end up more brittle overall.

    • @PeteOtton
      @PeteOtton 8 місяців тому +1

      @@qz6332Poor construction and improper design are two separate issues. I doubt one that one of the leading shipyards of the day were given to poor construction. The main issues with the design were the open at the top not so water tight compartments is a glaring issue. The other was an undersized rudder, although with the momentum RMS Titanic had I don't know if she could have swung out of the way at that speed with as little warning about a mountain of ice dead ahead.

  • @StrongDreamsWaitHere
    @StrongDreamsWaitHere 8 місяців тому +250

    It’s a weird nitpick about the Titanic. If not for the iceberg, she would not have sunk. There were probably other reasons related to construction methods, brittleness of the steel, and the coal bunker fire, that contributed. But without the iceberg, those things would not have mattered.

    • @felixramirez9920
      @felixramirez9920 8 місяців тому +35

      I just found it funny that one radio man told another radio man to shut up and they did.

    • @StanSwan
      @StanSwan 8 місяців тому +22

      The coal fire was a non factor depending who you listen to.

    • @powertothesheeple5422
      @powertothesheeple5422 8 місяців тому +5

      @@felixramirez9920 I'd like to know what was said when the Titanic called back for help.

    • @StanSwan
      @StanSwan 8 місяців тому +4

      @@felixramirez9920 They were not really "talking" so it was not that personal. It was very new at the time also.

    • @aliciabrinkofski386
      @aliciabrinkofski386 8 місяців тому

      The brittle steel and the coal fire have been debunked over and over again. One simply is not true and played not role in the sinking.

  • @goodfellow9607
    @goodfellow9607 8 місяців тому +315

    The Titanic was cut in half by Godzilla after he was transported back in time and trapped inside an iceberg. Everyone who took fourth grade world history knows that.

    • @SuzysRedStripes
      @SuzysRedStripes 8 місяців тому +28

      Finally, someone with accurate information is on this page.

    • @scloftin8861
      @scloftin8861 8 місяців тому +9

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @NormalGuyBrandon
      @NormalGuyBrandon 8 місяців тому +10

      I remember that morning well. Our normal radio show was interrupted with the news, and we thought it was a joke so we used Ask Jeeves to get the real story. They thought it was a terrorist attack and grounded all flights and transcontinental streamliner cruises for weeks until they could sort it out. Y'all kids don't know what it was like before that... Different world.

    • @not-a-raccoon
      @not-a-raccoon 8 місяців тому +13

      I was the iceberg. Can confirm

    • @paulnolan4971
      @paulnolan4971 8 місяців тому +7

      and Rose let Godzuki die !😭

  • @Omega4Productions
    @Omega4Productions 8 місяців тому +60

    Immediately rolled my eyes at the thumbnail and what that implied, and the video didn’t disappoint. Filled with errors and, ironically, myths.

    • @PeteOtton
      @PeteOtton 8 місяців тому +6

      Whenever I see simon in a thumbnail, I figure at least 50% is going to be wrong somehow and with what appears to me pompous delivery I no longer watch and just scroll through the comments.

    • @Omega4Productions
      @Omega4Productions 8 місяців тому +6

      @@PeteOtton As a Titanic enthusiast, hearing him regurgitate long-debunked myths with such pompous confidence was amusing lol.

    • @PeteOtton
      @PeteOtton 8 місяців тому +3

      @@Omega4ProductionsThat seems to be Simon's default: pompous. It wouldn't be so bad if hew as right almost all the time but with < 50% accuracy, I find him to be so pompous that he is insulting.

    • @PeteOtton
      @PeteOtton 8 місяців тому +1

      @@Omega4ProductionsAnd I bet he thinks the Royal Navy didn't sink the Bismark.

    • @randomname4726
      @randomname4726 8 місяців тому

      ​@user-gl5dq2dg1j I don't get a pompous attitude from him at all. Are you American by chance? I wonder if the English accent just comes across that way to you guys (if you are).

  • @SupermarketSweep777
    @SupermarketSweep777 8 місяців тому +81

    4:24-9:24
    Prepare to have this segment ripped to shreds.
    -Mike Brady

    • @gingataisen
      @gingataisen 8 місяців тому +22

      Our friend, Mike Brady.

    • @zombiedoggie2732
      @zombiedoggie2732 8 місяців тому +6

      Historic Travels is already is ripping that to shreds. I was about to get a few swings in when I saw that thumbnail. I thought it was gonna be the Titanic/Olympic switch again.

    • @pottyputter05
      @pottyputter05 8 місяців тому

      ​@@zombiedoggie2732 omg my parents believe that one still jo matter how much I've shown and told them. My mother hates Churchill so much because of how the disaster has painted that period of his life so much that she wants to believe that the worst possible story is true. All for hate of a dead prime minister... of another country.

  • @irritatedmushroom2
    @irritatedmushroom2 8 місяців тому +78

    The fire on the Titanic actually ended up being helpful during the sinking. Due to the fire, which was on the starboard side, hundreds of tonnes of coal needed to be moved from the starboard side to the port side. When the ship hit the iceberg, it was struck on the starboard side. All the coal they had moved previously when extinguishing the fire meant the ship sank on a mostly even keel, which meant the lifeboats on both sides could be lowered away. All that said, the fire was never a concern for danger - more an inconvenience initially that ended up making a positive difference in the end.
    What you said about the construction of the ship was not correct though. The ship was made of the best quality materials for the day and the rivets were fine. Olympic was designed with exactly the same materials and had a long career.
    It’s also been argued that binoculars would not have helped and probably would not have even been used under the conditions in which the Titanic hit the iceberg. All binoculars would have done is meant the lookouts would have seen darkness…but closer. It would have taken time to focus, check without the binoculars, then double check with… ultimately binoculars would have slowed down the call for the iceberg from the crow’s nest to the bridge.
    Additionally regarding the lifeboats, whilst what you said was correct that some passengers would rather have stayed on the big “safe” ship than get into the small rickety boat, lifeboats in those days were not designed to get everyone all off the ship at once. Instead, the idea was to use them as little ferry boats from a stricken ship to another nearby vessel. With this thought in mind, it would have been better to fill the boats with as many willing passengers as fast as possible, and then ferry the lifeboats back and forth as needed. Hindsight is a beautiful thing though and times have changed a lot since then. Though to be honest, having more lifeboats on the Titanic would probably have been a hinderance. They only just managed to get all the lifeboats on A deck away in time. The launching of the last two collapsible boats was a shambles. More lifeboats would have taken up more of the crew’s valuable time. All said, they did the best they could with the time and information they had in the moment.

    • @HistoricTravels
      @HistoricTravels 8 місяців тому +10

      Nicely said.

    • @SuzysRedStripes
      @SuzysRedStripes 8 місяців тому +1

      Interesting

    • @rb1054
      @rb1054 8 місяців тому +5

      I seem to remeber that they tested The steel and it was shown to be high sulfer and fairly brittle

    • @Crazyguy_123MC
      @Crazyguy_123MC 8 місяців тому +4

      @@rb1054Compared to the new stuff yes. But you need to keep in mind that steel production has become far more refined in the over 100 years since Titanic was built. Back then it was the best they had. Compared to today’s steel it’s complete garbage but back then it was good.

    • @jonathanlee7355
      @jonathanlee7355 8 місяців тому

      Exactly what I was going to say!! Lol thanks!

  • @AeroGuy07
    @AeroGuy07 8 місяців тому +22

    One of my brothers friends was stationed in Germany when the wall fell and he was there. It was a lot of things, but most of all it was a massive celebration.

    • @slowery43
      @slowery43 3 місяці тому

      oh so your post comes from a supposed fourth party and still brings nothing to the conversation... thanks so much for so little

  • @Ultraramage
    @Ultraramage 8 місяців тому +112

    Wait until my friend Mike Brady, from Oceanliner Designs hears about this one.

    • @negativeindustrial
      @negativeindustrial 8 місяців тому +29

      Our friend, Mike Brady, from Oceanliner Designs.

    • @Robert-ug5fp
      @Robert-ug5fp 8 місяців тому +18

      Our Friend, Mike Brady, will surely debunk this soon enough.

    • @Crazyguy_123MC
      @Crazyguy_123MC 8 місяців тому +12

      Sam has already commented it’s only a matter of time before Mike comes in if he hasn’t already.

    • @paulwoodford1984
      @paulwoodford1984 8 місяців тому

      he believes anything he’s told in the mainstream media though. He won’t think outside the box. He is blinded by his love of titanic.

  • @monsieurcommissaire1628
    @monsieurcommissaire1628 8 місяців тому +9

    I see that Historic Travels has already covered the issues I had with the section on Titanic. Trust him, he's a tireless researcher and he really knows Titanic. I highly recommend his videos as well as those by Ocean Liner Designs. The two of them are the very best YT has to offer on the subject of RMS Titanic.
    There are a great many myths and legends surrounding Titanic; that is likely to always be the case, as she has a way of capturing hearts and minds more than 100 years since her loss.

  • @ignitionfrn2223
    @ignitionfrn2223 8 місяців тому +4

    0:25 - Chapter 1 - Paul revere midnight ride
    4:30 - Chapter 2 - The sinking of the titanic
    9:30 - Chapter 3 - Abraham lincoln emancipation proclamation
    11:40 - Chapter 4 - The fall of the berlin wall

    • @animalbird9436
      @animalbird9436 8 місяців тому

      Nice1 now i don't hav to go fru the Americant bit❤

  • @depreseo
    @depreseo 8 місяців тому +11

    Thr "comedy of errors" which was the a titanic sinking was also, as mentioned here, the fact that the idea of 24/7 radio communication was not a standard at the time. So once the crew realised that they were sinking they immediately sent out the S.O.S but all other nearby ships radio operators had turned their receivers off because it was past working time. This also lead to the whole "half empty" lifeboat criticism/not enough life boats. The titanic (or Olympic class in general) wasn't supposed to have a lot of life boats as it opporated in busy shipping lanes. So the idea was that if there was any issue with the ship another ship would come by soon as they were all close to one and other. So when the original S O D was sent out the lifeboats were semi-filled as the crew expected another ship to come on by so that the passengers in the semi-filled lifeboats could be offloaded and the boats returned to titanic so that a second wave could come, supplemented by the life craft of the second ship. HOWEVER, as mentioned most radio operators turned their receivers off at night as it wasn't a standard to keep them on, and one of the ships that did receive the SOS did try and come to Titanic's aid, but got confused when they saw her on the horizon as the lookouts thought "that can't be titanic, it's far too close to us", as the Titanic's size was greater than other liners (so she looked like a much closer regular liner as opposed to a ship of her actual size which was actually a further away).
    In the end people ended up claiming that the ship was doomed.tonsink etc. however, construction wise, she was built to do what she was meant to. Titanic had been on fire for DAYS with no incident. Following her collision she stayed afloat for HOURS which would have allowed for a full ship evacuation (there are modern examples of liners sinking in under 10 minutes that prove.how good she was built). The ship had done what she was designed to do, but unfortunately it was the silly human errors (radios turned off/ignored, binoculars locked up etc.) that caused the problem.

  • @touchstoneaf
    @touchstoneaf 8 місяців тому +3

    Even though I now know it was more complicated than I understood as a child, I will never forget the image in the days afterward of people up there with their bare hands tearing that wall down. It brings me to tears every time I think of it. It was incredible to live at the same time as this kind of history. I wish kids these days knew how big a deal that was, but they probably haven't even heard of it, and most of them probably have no idea how those events affected the ones that now currently pertain to their lives.

  • @scloftin8861
    @scloftin8861 8 місяців тому +6

    I remember hearing that the "Fall" of the Berlin Wall was a misunderstanding ... it was also one of the coolest things in my life. I watched it go up on TV and then I got to watch it come down the same way.

    • @ruzi.the.spider
      @ruzi.the.spider 8 місяців тому +2

      War es auch, es sollte nur erleichterte Reisebedingungen geben, keinen Freischein. Es gibt tv Aufnahmen zum Versprechen.. und dann haben alle es als Grund genommen niemand an der Mauer am übertreten zu hindern, die Wiedervereinigung zu feiern, und Stücke der Mauer raus zu brechen. Der Rest war eine riesen Party und Geschichte :)

    • @psychohist
      @psychohist Місяць тому

      Even if the misunderstanding hadn't happened, the easing of restrictions would only have been delayed by a day.

  • @stigmaoftherose
    @stigmaoftherose 8 місяців тому +33

    We all know the titanic sank because the guy from flex tape sawed the boat in half.

  • @stoffls
    @stoffls 8 місяців тому +11

    The fire in the coal bunker did nothing to sink the Titanic, it was just the problem that the hole, which covered not more than 1,6m² extended over too many water tight compartments, therefore the ship could not stay afloat.
    And about the Berlin wall: not only was I crying that night from joy, but there is a rumor that the Italian journalist who asked when it will take effect was actually briefed to do so. And then the unthinkable happened, insecure border police did not know what to do and let the things happen. And it turned out, that thousands did not even want to move to West-Berlin, just look at it, then return home and be able to cross the border any time they liked. But that was too late, the GDR was doomed that night.

  • @jamesblake44
    @jamesblake44 8 місяців тому +181

    Im fully ready for Simon to tell me the titanic didn't sink and I will 100% believe him

    • @gerrywood3584
      @gerrywood3584 8 місяців тому +5

      Olympic sunk😊

    • @jayofthenorth3364
      @jayofthenorth3364 8 місяців тому +6

      so it sank because of the fire more then the iceberg? not a very solid argument tbh

    • @piratemousie
      @piratemousie 8 місяців тому +6

      😂 sadly he tells the story everyone who saw TITANIC got told in the first 20 minutes of the film 😂😂

    • @scooby45247
      @scooby45247 8 місяців тому +8

      i believe thats called a cult..
      you should check that fealty at the door..

    • @DanzoTheManzo13
      @DanzoTheManzo13 8 місяців тому +6

      The years of conditioning us to let our guard down in the Whistleverse is working 😂

  • @dbefore7165
    @dbefore7165 8 місяців тому +28

    Titanic steel was fine for the day, its identical sister rammed a German sub and was fine, and had a full life of service. The coal bunker fire was on the bulkhead wall which wasn’t exterior. But yes to everything else pretty much

  • @josephnewberry9290
    @josephnewberry9290 8 місяців тому +34

    Lincoln was trying to beat Douglas in a debate. It wasn't a good idea to ignore his audience and say he loved amalgamation and equality for all men to a group hostile to both. While a noble man, he was also a politician trying to sway the electorate. I recommend the series Checkmate Lincolnites! by Atun-Shei Films for a more nuanced look at Lincoln's position on slavery.

    • @darthracer777
      @darthracer777 8 місяців тому +15

      Correct. Simon ignored Lincoln's changing views on slavery after he was elected. It's almost as if a 'lost cause' advocate gave him what to say. This was one of the worst of his videos.

    • @fakshen1973
      @fakshen1973 8 місяців тому +10

      It's not hard to imagine someone being anti-slavery but also anti-integration or anti-equality. Slavery competes with "free" labor. One of the South's biggest issues was a lack of decently paid tradesmen. Most labor jobs were contracted by wealthy people with slaves that weren't compensated for work. They could outbid any free person. So slavery was abolished in the north... as it directly affected the "free" people who were now allowed to vote even though they didn't own land. But in any case... Lincoln said himself that he would free NO ONE and maintain the status quo once he took office. But the rebellion was already under way.

    • @DatcleanMochaJo
      @DatcleanMochaJo 8 місяців тому

      @@darthracer777 Lincoln was a tyrant. America itself it a lost cause. Deal with it bootlicker.

    • @deschain1910
      @deschain1910 8 місяців тому +6

      @@darthracer777
      Yeah, after seeing all the comments about both this segment and the Titanic segment, I'm basically at the point where I assume all the segments in this video are just as shoddy.
      Though I do believe it's true that Revere wouldn't have been riding his horse down the street shouting, so I guess they got that part right...

    • @bad-people6510
      @bad-people6510 8 місяців тому +9

      @@deschain1910 The common story of Paul Revere is pretty well known to be a creation of poetic license.

  • @libertyresearch-iu4fy
    @libertyresearch-iu4fy 8 місяців тому +14

    I would like to point out that, before the war, Lincoln preferred to have the slaves returned to Africa to prevent the war, which gives more context for your quote that you did. Do you really know how to do research?

    • @PeteOtton
      @PeteOtton 8 місяців тому

      No they don't. They are piss poor at research and are full of false information. I swear their idea of research is to look at dr. google and click the first site that comes up.

    • @stephenlee5929
      @stephenlee5929 6 місяців тому

      Were the quotes accurate?
      They seem to suggest a white superiority.
      Is this not an accurate representation?

  • @briant7265
    @briant7265 8 місяців тому +34

    On Lincoln, the quote is from a campaign speech. It is questionable whether it reflected his personal views or was just intended to not scare off voters.
    On the Emancipation Proclamation, it was an executive order. As such, it didn't matter what Lincoln wanted to do. He couldn't have freed slaves in the north by a stroke of his pen. The Proclamation was an order to the military on the prosecution of the war, something within his power as President.

    • @Flight_of_Icarus
      @Flight_of_Icarus 8 місяців тому

      Yeah, Lincoln's election was an extremely charged time to say the least. The man was trying to prevent a Civil War, after all. Not to mention the simple fact the 13th amendment was passed after his death doesn't mean he wasn't involved with its passing at all. Legislation can take months, after all we've seen the Ukraine military aid package take about 7 months to get through, with Biden calling for it the whole way.

    • @coryhoggatt7691
      @coryhoggatt7691 7 місяців тому

      Incorrect. The quote was from a presidential debate prior to the civil war. Lincoln said both before and after the war that his aim was never to free the slaves. He was a vocal proponent of returning freed slaves to Africa.

    • @shawnglass108
      @shawnglass108 4 місяці тому +2

      @@coryhoggatt7691, Wrong. Lincoln fought hard for the 13th Amendment. Although it wasn’t ratified until December, months after Lincoln was assassinated, it was passed in January by Congress. Thanks to the political mastery of Abraham Lincoln.

    • @KasFromMass
      @KasFromMass 3 місяці тому

      @@coryhoggatt7691that’s BS, and totally without facts. Lincoln had already put onto play to free the slaves by Law. His closest advisors were abolitionists also, and Grant hated slavery and loved Lincoln and worked hard against the KKK. An organization run by Democrats to this day.
      So ya, there is that.

  • @joeldavis1217
    @joeldavis1217 8 місяців тому +3

    schabowski is a german legend XD i love how its also the ideal trope of german lawmakers creating the most convoluted sentences in human history... Schabowski even reads the note and nobody in the room knows wtf he's saying after a young journalist asks if the law is effective immediately and he says yeah

  • @simonwyndham
    @simonwyndham 8 місяців тому +19

    You missed out the most important part about the Berlin Wall story. That David Hasselhoff sang while stood on the wall dressed in a jacket decorated with light bulbs.

    • @gregorymoore2877
      @gregorymoore2877 8 місяців тому +5

      More important than that, Peter Quill totally missed out on that due to already having been abducted by Ravagers. 😉

    • @monsieurcommissaire1628
      @monsieurcommissaire1628 8 місяців тому +3

      I desperately want that to be true.

    • @SRW_
      @SRW_ 8 місяців тому +2

      Its a fact that david hasselhoffs “looking for freedom” song was the biggest factor in the berlin wall coming down

    • @randomname4726
      @randomname4726 8 місяців тому +1

      If you haven't seen/heard Hasselhoffs song in the end credits of Kung Fury, you really need to!

    • @simonwyndham
      @simonwyndham 8 місяців тому

      @@randomname4726 oh, I have! It’s brilliant!

  • @davidhudson3534
    @davidhudson3534 8 місяців тому +1

    Nice description of Titanic’s story. One note is that wireless warnings were then still a novelty and considered just a heads up for what to expect. Captains and officers of all ships were still trained to use their 19th century seafaring skills and only change speed or course when observed conditions called for it. When Captain Smith went to bed, he specifically said that if there were any haze or if conditions were doubtful they would have to slow down.
    As for the lookouts, binoculars would only be useful in daylight and only then when something was already spotted. The fact that they had been ordered to watch for “small ice and growlers” meant they were probably looking low at the water right in front of the ship, and that could be why they didn’t initially spot the dark mass further on the horizon.
    Regarding the coal “fire”, yes it was common for smoldering coal combustion to happen in bunkers, but the damage was only described as bubbled paint, not warping. At any rate that damage was to the bunker wall with the boiler room, not the watertight bulkhead itself. The photo you showed is not related to the smoldering at all, the location of the “smudge” is far forward of the bunker in question.

  • @Jlkillen03
    @Jlkillen03 8 місяців тому +3

    I would like to respectfully correct some misconceptions as shown in the video as someone who has been interested in Titanic and has done casual research on her over the past 14-15 years ever since I have been interested. People may question the reasoning as to the top speed Titanic was going through the Icefield. Every other captain would testify that they themselves would sail through an ice field at top speed unless if the visibility was hindered. Smith didn't actually ignore any of the warnings either, rather they did change course down a bit further south in hopes of being clear of the ice field. From reports from other nearby Ships, it was said the visibility was perfectly clear. The thinking was that if there was any Iceberg, they would spot it quick enough to maneuver around it because Titanic is the most maneuverable when at her top speed. The thing that really changed things was the Mirage that developed on the horizon according to a statement by lookout Frederick Fleet. This false horizon obscured the Iceberg until it was too late. There is a debate regarding if binoculars would have helped spot it when Fleet had actually testified they would have used the Binoculars after spotting the object by the naked eye first which would have taken more time leading to a delay and a potentially worse impact with the Iceberg.
    When people are referring to the "Burn Mark" from the Image of her in Belfast, that is no Burn Mark. The positioning of the marking is 100 feet forward and 40 feet above of where the Coal Fire actually was, with it being placed around where the Post Office and First Class Baggage Room was located, and additionally, in other photographs at different angles of her departing from Belfast, the "burn mark" is not visible at all and it is most likely the reflection of the shore that you can see to the left of the picture on the shiny black paint of her Hull. The coal fire did happen, in which Coal Fires were very common and weren't unusual on steam ships during the time. The media likes to over exaggerate and say the coal was ablaze with flames. In reality it was just smoldering coals similar to how a firepit looks once the fire has gone out with those glowing pieces remaining. In order to combat the fire, the Stokers in the boiler room had to move 300 tons of coal from that coal bunker all the way to the other side which resulted in a displacement of 600 tons, which made the ship appear to have a 2 to 3 degree list to the Port (Left) side. After striking the iceberg, she immediately began to list around 5 degrees to the OTHER side to Starboard (Right) within 15 minutes. Now imagine how unstable she would have been if that 2-3 degree list wasn't present. From what I believe I remember seeing somewhere, even depicted in many naval simulations it depicted Titanic capsizing about an hour into the sinking except when the Model was implemented with the 2.5 degree Port list. Keep in mind that the first lifeboat was lowered an hour after the collision. The media likes to also over exaggerate and say that the coal fire weakened the bulkhead/hull when it didn't weaken it a substantial amount. During the sinking, the coal bunker door behind where the Coal Fire was located did end up collapsing, but this was because the hatches were meant to hold back coal rather than 180 tons of water putting heavy pressure on it and the door itself wasn't meant to be watertight either hence why it eventually collapsed. If the Coal Fire "weakened the Hull," how could the Iceberg puncture the forward compartments such as the Cargo Holds and the Forepeak Tank nowhere near where the Coal Fire happened?
    According to the talented historian Samuel Helpfern a test was once carried out to test the strength of the steel, he wrote the following about it: “Spontaneous ignition of coal in a bunker usually begins deep down where the coal absorbs oxygen and gives off hydrogen, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, and some aerosols under rising temperatures. With no real draft of air in the bunker, coal will ignite and smolder at about 750°F. Since the bulkhead was riveted tight around its edges to angle iron which was riveted to the hull and decks, thermal expansion caused by heat from the fire would cause the bulkhead plate to bulge outward to relieve the stress. After cooling back to room temperatures, it would remain somewhat dented as observed. But to get that bulkhead, which was made of mild steel, to glow red hot, would take a temperature of about 900°F or more from a fire being fed with a good draft of air. Despite the drama that some subsequent newspaper accounts wanted people to believe, it certainly was not a raging blaze that was completely out of control. Metallurgical analysis on bulkhead plates similar to that used on Titanic was heated to about 1,200°F so that it became red hot. The plates were bound to other pieces modeling the shell and floor plates by riveting it to angle iron pieces which in turn were riveted to the other pieces. The results showed the bulkhead plate had distorted by about 6 inches, and the rivets holding the plate would only have been stressed to only 10%-20% of their failure load. Even if the bulkhead was first heated red hot and then cooled down by sea water or water from a fire hose, it would not affect the low temperature properties of the bulkhead. The conclusion of modern day forensics is that the bunker fire would not have weakened the watertight bulkhead sufficiently to cause it to collapse.”
    Titanic was also equipped with 20 Lifeboats instead of the required 16 by the Maritime Board of Trade. I would also confidently say that if they had more lifeboats, it is possible that it could have lead to more deaths. During the sinking, even they didn't have time to properly launch the last two Engelhardt Collapsible Lifeboats and they were washed off of the deck of the Ship and were nearly crushed by the first funnel collapsing. If they had many more Lifeboats, it would possibly lead to much more chaos with trying to prepare these boats and it could also be possible that they wouldn't have been able to launch as many Lifeboats.

  • @Unnuetz-237
    @Unnuetz-237 28 днів тому +1

    Little Correction: 13:00
    Between GDR and CSSR there were NOT "no restrictions". Like Hungary there were needed visas for exiting GDR/entering CSSR or Hungary.
    BUT usually these visas were easy to get und because people planned their holidays longterm AND some people "saw the end coming" befor the government, al lot of people had/got these visas and left ... completely legal. (They just didn't came back ...😇)
    Then they went from CSSR or Hungary to Austria - but this happened mostly only illegal in GDR-Conditions. Especially Hungary (what had a very liberal traveling policy even before) opened his borders to Austria. At first they gave direction to not control and arrest germans on their way to Austria, later they removed most of their border control and security systems (barbed wire etc.).

  • @kirkhamandy
    @kirkhamandy 8 місяців тому +7

    Unlike the others, I was alive that day "the wall fell" and it was quite something.

  • @SotonSam
    @SotonSam 8 місяців тому +8

    I want OceanLinerDesigns to go over Simons Titanic facts

  • @unclerojelio6320
    @unclerojelio6320 8 місяців тому +8

    The Olympic most certainly did not “complete its journey without difficulty”. She returned to Belfast for extensive repairs. In fact, she returned to the dry dock right next to the unfinished Titanic. There is a conspiracy theory concerning the cost of her repairs and a name switch with Titanic that might make good content for one of your channels.
    And, for the love of all that is holy, quit perpetuating this myth that Titanic’s steel was substandard for the day.

    • @DestroyerOfWords
      @DestroyerOfWords 8 місяців тому +1

      The Olympic controversy comes well documented despite frantic efforts to silence the whistleblowers. It would be very interesting to have them do a piece on that,; who the captain was, and why Whitestar needed the insurance pay off for a ship that was already uninsurable.

  • @stephendacruz179
    @stephendacruz179 8 місяців тому +2

    Lincoln, his view on slavery, and his effort to abolish slavery is much more nuanced than I believe you gave credit to in this video

  • @FullMetalRocker
    @FullMetalRocker 8 місяців тому +13

    Uhhhhhh...... trying to say the titanic didn’t sink because of the iceberg is just patently false.

    • @davidhill4141
      @davidhill4141 7 місяців тому

      Wrong ! There is evidence of a bomb .wasn’t even the titanic but the Olympic that sank . Not many people know that part ! The captain was in on it, too .

    • @GeoHvl
      @GeoHvl 7 місяців тому

      Nope coal bunker explosion it’s a coincidence it passed the burg.

  • @LordSluggo
    @LordSluggo 8 місяців тому +39

    Team Simon has a history of poor research, and today is no exception
    1: There's actually no proof the Titanic's steel was any worse than other steel for the time. The fact that she stayed afloat for almost three hours when most ships sank in under 15 minutes is a testament to her engineering.
    2: There's no evidence the coal fire affected the integrety of the steel where the iceberg hit
    3: Without modern NVGs, binoculars at night are kinda useless
    4: Lifeboats weren't designed to hold an entire ship's complement, they were meant to shuttle back and forth to nearby rescue ships. People forget that the NYC-England route was an absolute superhighway, and the idea that there *wouldn't* be help nearby was unthinkable. In fact, were it not for a coal strike affecting shipping, there would have been *even more* ships coming to help.

    • @Crazyguy_123MC
      @Crazyguy_123MC 8 місяців тому +1

      I seriously expected better research from these guys. Usually they do an alright job getting things correct.

    • @PeteOtton
      @PeteOtton 8 місяців тому +5

      @@Crazyguy_123MCYou're more optimistic than I am. On things where I have a decent knowledge of the subject, I find at best they are superficial or outright wrong.

    • @noobteamagain8240
      @noobteamagain8240 8 місяців тому +2

      @@Crazyguy_123MC Why? Must have about 20 channels by now. Greedy af. Every single one of them goes on my don't recommend. Quality, not quantity.

    • @DarthMeteos
      @DarthMeteos 8 місяців тому

      @@PeteOtton yeah, i'm seriously scared about how much misleading info i've consumed from these guys, now

    • @marcpeterson1092
      @marcpeterson1092 8 місяців тому +3

      It should be emphasized again that Simon's channels should be regarded as entertainment, not reliable sources.

  • @lord_vader6545
    @lord_vader6545 8 місяців тому +20

    Actually, the Marconi operator on the Titanic messaged “Shut up! Shut up! I’m busy!” Which was actually quite common amongst the operators, on top of that when the Californian sent that message, it was close to the titanic so it came through as a very loud screech, so loud in fact, that Philips literally threw off his headset before blasting out his message, also the coal fire would have been contained and most certainly didn’t weaken the steel

  • @galatheumbreon6862
    @galatheumbreon6862 8 місяців тому +9

    I love the video Simon but as for the segment about the Titanic, the fire in the coal bunker didn't really weaken the steel enough for the iceberg, the area of the fire itself wasn't the same area where the berg struck but many people like the theory because it makes sense to a lot of people who are not experts on the Titanic. But again, these were common mistakes and the video I still found enjoyable.

  • @Thomas-VA
    @Thomas-VA 8 місяців тому +9

    Was there an iceberg and did they fail to swap insurance information, because allegedly, that iceberg did a hit and run that led to that young lady not sharing her debris with jack.

    • @kenbrown2808
      @kenbrown2808 8 місяців тому

      now there's a myth that has lingered on. the truth is that the "debris" she was on had to be made oversized just to keep her out of the water.

  • @RustyShackleford101
    @RustyShackleford101 8 місяців тому +1

    6:56 I should point out several Naval crash investigators have recreated the Titanic crash in very similar circumstances and concluded that even with binoculars, the lookouts probably wouldn't have seen the iceberg coming. One even reported that using the same time of binoculars as the lookouts on Titanic should have had made seeing things more difficult.

  • @padawanmage71
    @padawanmage71 8 місяців тому +5

    No mention of Sybil ludington, who also rode to warn of ‘The Regulars’ coming?
    I mean, talk about a historical event not even mentioned in history class in high school!

    • @OceaniaOrchid
      @OceaniaOrchid 8 місяців тому +1

      This was my thought as well, I was combing the comments to see if anyone else was going to bring this up.

    • @padawanmage71
      @padawanmage71 8 місяців тому

      @@OceaniaOrchid I guess her story wasn’t patriotic enough? 🤷🏽

  • @philiphumphrey1548
    @philiphumphrey1548 8 місяців тому +3

    The Titanic binoculars wouldn't have been much help. The large iceberg should have been easily visible on the horizon against the star background. But it was hidden by a thermal inversion, effectively an upside down mirage that gave the illusion of a misty raised horizon that hid the berg. To the lookouts in the crow's nest, the iceberg would have suddenly appeared out of nowhere too late for the ship to avoid it. No doubt they were embarrassed by their failure to see it (even though it wasn't their fault) and the binoculars were a good excuse at the inquiry.

  • @Saboda53
    @Saboda53 8 місяців тому +2

    Excellent insights! Can’t wait for you to explain how man never landed on the Moon, how the World Trade Center was an “inside job,” and how the earth is actually flat. (I’ve looked out over the ocean when I’m at the beach and, indeed, you can tell it’s flat!) Keep up the good work.

  • @monsieurcommissaire1628
    @monsieurcommissaire1628 8 місяців тому +3

    You almost had me with your April Fool's prank about Titanic!
    For a minute I was dismayed that you actually believed some of the most godawful balderdash out there regarding Titanic...
    wait...
    It is an April Fool's joke, right..?
    Right..?
    ..?

  • @ISayNukem
    @ISayNukem 8 місяців тому +1

    Ha! I tell people about Lincoln saying that! Thanks for including it!

  • @Klyis
    @Klyis 8 місяців тому +3

    Please check your sources when doing research for videos like these. The Titanic fire theory has disproven for years now as has the myth of poor construction. Yes there was coal fire aboard (Specifically the forward coal bunker of boiler room #5) but it did not contribute to the ship's loss. The photo you show at 8:43 does not show fire damage. The dark spot circled there is believed to have been caused by smudge on the camera lens as there are additional photos taken the same day from similar angles where it is not present. Additionally that dark spot is not even in the correct area to be a coal fire as it is located by the ship's mail room and 3rd class berthing on G Deck.
    There is also no evidence to suggest that the fire compromised the ship's watertight integrity and even if had it would not have caused the ship to sink by itself. The collision with the iceberg damaged the first 6 watertight compartments. The coal fire was located in the 6th compartment damaged but Titanic was only designed to stay afloat if the first 4 compartments were flooded. The ship was doomed regardless. And as a side note the crew had managed to get the flooding under control in the 6th compartment indicating that the adjacent bulkhead was not seriously compromised by fire damage if at all. It wasn't until water rose above the top of that bulkhead and started pouring down from above that they were forced to abandon that compartment.

  • @Steve-tr7400a
    @Steve-tr7400a 8 місяців тому

    Thank you Simon, that was a most enjoyable episode. Please keep them coming!

  • @Crazyguy_123MC
    @Crazyguy_123MC 8 місяців тому +3

    With the Titanic there was a reason they didn’t slow down. They had paid attention to the ice warnings and had changed course to avoid it. The typo in the one that reported in their path would have had an impact had it been typed out correctly. The Californian was so close to Titanic that their wireless operator very likely didn’t hear the message as he had his set up at max volume to talk with Cape Race sending out the backlog of messages. This means the Californian’s message would have been so loud that it would come out as an ear piercing screech. He likely ripped off the headset to avoid hurting his ears and sent the message to Californian without thinking about it. He wasn’t being rude but was frustrated and very tired. The binoculars were not going to help that night. Binoculars were used after an obstruction had been spotted but in their case they saw it seconds before hitting it and binoculars would have been pointless to use by that point. It’s also important to remember they believed they were south of the ice field and again binoculars would have been pointless since they thought there would be no obstructions. As for the engines cutting or maintaining power may have actually saved them had they done it. Rudders are more effective with water running past them we actually saw this recently with the bridge accident. Without water running past the rudder its turning capabilities are significantly decreased. The metal quality shouldn’t be judged as it was the best they had in 1912. We compare their steel to modern steel and of course it’s going to be lesser quality they were doing this over 100 years ago and production methods have been refined significantly since then. So it’s unfair to say the ship was built badly when you compare it to ships today especially since the ships today are designed this way because of Titanic’s design including its strong design and keeping in mind the various flaws. The fire had absolutely nothing to do with the damage the warping was not on the bulkheads but was only on the coal bunker itself. The photograph shown was also not a result of the fire it is just the way the light reflected. The location highlighted is actually where the mail room was and it was not on fire. It’s also very important to note that the fire was not a blazing inferno but rather a smoldering fire. The boat situation was a result of optimism of the era. They believed if an accident where evacuation was necessary there would be a ship near enough to help transfer passengers long before a ship sank. Lifeboats were not for passengers to survive in but were just meant to ferry passengers to another ship. This belief would have been fine had there not been a coal strike going on. Many ships were in port due to the coal shortage and passengers were being transferred to larger ships to save on coal. I seriously expected you guys to have better research.

    • @Phil-ey6yh
      @Phil-ey6yh 8 місяців тому +2

      Any deep research would have lead them to discover that they didn't even have time to get the 2 collapsibles launched. They floated off the deck. They didn't have TIME to launch more boats.
      ... and yeah... you're correct. The bunker fire had jack to do with the dining.

  • @theboosted5hoe
    @theboosted5hoe 8 місяців тому +35

    Last time I came this early, she never called me again.

  • @ltpetro
    @ltpetro 8 місяців тому +1

    I feel like the misunderstanding between the officers on either side of the ship when they were deploying the lifeboats made a huge difference

  • @wanderer3004
    @wanderer3004 8 місяців тому +12

    Lincoln had a remarkable change in his viewpoints on race and the future of the United States as the Civil War drew to a close. It's a shame so many have yet to do the same today.

    • @benrockefeller6334
      @benrockefeller6334 8 місяців тому +3

      I was surprised to even see this one here. I thought that it was more or less common knowledge that the Emancipation Proclamation was issued as commander in chief in support of winning the Civil War, and not about actually freeing slaves. It justified actions that Union generals were already taking, not creating new actions to take.

    • @brianarbenz1329
      @brianarbenz1329 8 місяців тому +4

      The average Wal Mart shopper still gives a free pass to the idea that the Proclamation freed the slaves.

    • @Aaronrules380
      @Aaronrules380 8 місяців тому +11

      It's also worth considering that some of the stuff he said in political speeches and debates was also politically motivated. Regardless of his personal thoughts on slavery, Lincoln couldn't campaign on complete emancipation because it was not a particularly popular position even among his own parties, and he also was trying to avoid the civil war happening and the country fracturing like many others before him during that time, even if he wasn't successful. And even more so than emancipation, equality would have been an absolute losing position to run on even if he believed in it he'd have to say otherwise

    • @wanderer3004
      @wanderer3004 8 місяців тому +7

      @@Aaronrules380 Thank you for that wonderful articulated point on the realities a pragmatic and complex man faced in extremely difficult times.

    • @wanderer3004
      @wanderer3004 8 місяців тому +8

      @@brianarbenz1329 To be fair, the average Walmart shopper in certain regions of the country also think Lincoln is the "bad guy".

  • @barlotardy
    @barlotardy 8 місяців тому +1

    "The British are coming!"
    "Unlike your wife, LOL!"
    "STFU Adams!"
    "Well maybe don't wake people up in the middle of the night, Paul!"

  • @Repeal_22nd_Amendment
    @Repeal_22nd_Amendment 8 місяців тому +3

    Howdy from Temple, Texas, USA!

  • @CyrilleParis
    @CyrilleParis 8 місяців тому +2

    From diverse sources I understood :
    - that the thing with the binoculars are a bit of a myth. Yes one pair of binoculars was locked as was the custom when ships were ashore because of fear of theft. The sailor responsible for this pair of binoculars was left at the last port and he didn't gave the keys back. BUT, they had more than one AND it was good practice not to use binoculars because when you are watching for icebergs, you want to have a large field of view and nothing to make the low visibility even worse : you need naked eyes. Binoculars were useful only when you had seen the obstacle and you needed to see details of this obstacle. So the thing with binoculars is not a thing in the end.
    - there were not enough seats in the lifenoats for a very good reason : lifeboats were not made to save you in case of sinking. Tiny lifeboats (compared to the massive ship that was Titanic) wouldn'tt last long in the middle of the ocean. Lifeboats were designed to shuttle people to one damaged ship to another ship which has come for the rescue. There was no need to have more lifeboats because the enventuality of having a ship like the Titanic sinking before a rescue ship arrived was very unlikely (remember this was a well treaded route). For such an unlikely event, it would have been foolish to put more lifeboats, not only because it was expensive, but also because it was more dangerous than otherwise : to fit more lifeboats, you would have had to pile the lifeboats one on top of the other, which would have made their launching tedious and perilous. If the ship would have listed (which it did) the life boats would have been moving a lot : better to have only one to launch with one crane than several dangling one on top of the other. And btw, when the ship listed, only one half of the boats were available because on one side, they would have bumped on the hull of the ship.

  • @JATJAT330
    @JATJAT330 8 місяців тому +49

    Ugh you're peddling the binoculars nonsense ... it is well established that lookouts rarely used them as it massively limits their field of view, especially at night. The rivets have also been proven to not be a problem. And the coal bunker fire was a VERY common experience on ships at the time. You have repeated very common myths about the ship that subject experts spend a lot of time debunking. Try harder.

    • @swagcreated9147
      @swagcreated9147 8 місяців тому +1

      have never in my life seen someone care so much about the sinking of a ship 100 years ago

    • @swagcreated9147
      @swagcreated9147 8 місяців тому +1

      @nattyfatty6.0 what? i’m interested in the video, so i clicked & watched it just like you did. What i didn’t expect was someone to take the titanic section such to heart, and definitely didn’t expect “nattyfatty” to call me a 12 year old LMAO, it’s time to hop on the cut “nattyfatty”

    • @swagcreated9147
      @swagcreated9147 8 місяців тому

      @nattyfatty6.0 LOL just clicked your channel, your form is atrocious buddy, get out of that “i’m right everyone wrong” mindset, and quit attacking folks on the internet. I promise going to the gym & lifting heavy does not matter as much as you think it does. Good for you though, you call anyone you disagree with 12 or homo slurs topkek, graduate from your bedroom & step outside folk

    • @MisterOcclusion
      @MisterOcclusion 8 місяців тому

      ​@swagcreated9147 the words "Fake News" trigger absolutely no reaction in you, then? Lies are lies.

    • @soldierbreed
      @soldierbreed 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@swagcreated9147clearly your forgetting about The billionaires that literally died tryna see it

  • @robertwalhout8982
    @robertwalhout8982 8 місяців тому

    It's nice to see your side projects coming out

  • @toddkurzbard
    @toddkurzbard 8 місяців тому +29

    Normally you're good at this, but on the TITANIC you repeated a lot of false information.
    (And I should know, I've been a TITANIC Historian for 40+ years.)

    • @galatheumbreon6862
      @galatheumbreon6862 8 місяців тому +2

      I like Simon and his videos but I just sighed when he began to dip into the coal fire theory

    • @EllieP.-hi5fx
      @EllieP.-hi5fx 8 місяців тому +3

      "Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect is as follows: You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. . . . You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. . . . In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know." --Michael Crichton

    • @toddkurzbard
      @toddkurzbard 8 місяців тому

      @@EllieP.-hi5fx I just get more and more exasperation building until, not being able to stand it any more, I exit the video in question in utter frustration.
      (P.S. - If anyone starts spouting the bullsh*t "OLYMPIC Switch Conspiracy Theory", just laugh at their gullibility, lack of intelligence and imbecile-level stupidity and never take them seriously again).

    • @toddkurzbard
      @toddkurzbard 8 місяців тому +1

      @@galatheumbreon6862 Sorry, he's pretty good with the facts, but on this TITANIC one, he appears to have based much of it upon long-disproven and ridiculed "conspiracy theories" which have polluted the Internets for years.

    • @Ajee02
      @Ajee02 8 місяців тому

      Dude he makes these kinds of errors on every single video lmao its not just the Titanic, I love the guy cuz he's hilarious on Brain Blaze (if thats still a thing) but his writers really let him down on the research part.
      I wouldnt blame Brian tho, he is a self admitted idiot who immediately forgets the topic he covered after he's done with it, boy just reads the teleprompt.

  • @CartoonHero1986
    @CartoonHero1986 8 місяців тому +1

    Paul Revere also didn't ride the full length of the poem gives him credit for, just before his capture the daughter of one of the Revolutionaries (Americans) agreed to ride the rest of Paul's route to raise the alarms (something the poems and romanticised textbooks usually leave out of the story). The warning was a major group effort Paul was just at the center of it.

    • @PeteOtton
      @PeteOtton 8 місяців тому

      And he was only one of 3 or so riders supposed to ride out.

  • @Warped9
    @Warped9 8 місяців тому +4

    Fallacy-it has already been well established the Titanic was NOT travelling at top speed.

  • @s.henrlllpoklookout5069
    @s.henrlllpoklookout5069 8 місяців тому +2

    If the Titanic didn't sink due to colliding with an iceburg, it must have been aliens

  • @adammartin5866
    @adammartin5866 8 місяців тому +13

    A lot of what this guy said about Titanic was wrong. The coal fire in no way, shape, or form impacted the sinking. The "warped hull" on the photo was just a smudge. The steel used for the hull was top grade for the time. It was used specifically because it could bend and sway with the water. That way a big wave wouldn't capsize the ship. As for the binoculars, they would have been more of a hindrance than an asset to the watches. It was a moonless night, pitch black except for a few stars. If the watches were to look through a pair of binoculars, all they would've seen was black. What they were looking for was more or less a spot above the horizon where the stars weren't visible, indicating an iceberg. Now there was a cold water mirage that provided a false horizon, making the iceberg visible later than it should have been, but this guy didn't mention that at all. Also whoever is telling the story that the captain ordered the ship to sail directly into the iceberg is silly. Captain Edward J. Smith was asleep at the time of the collision. Officer Murdoch was the officer on duty, and he tried to veer away from the iceberg, it was just too late.

  • @Buzzkill-dk3gk
    @Buzzkill-dk3gk 8 місяців тому +1

    11:55 for me I picture David Haslhoff in a light bulb jacket signing on top of said wall. 😂

  • @GabrielTheMagolorMain
    @GabrielTheMagolorMain 8 місяців тому +3

    The Lincoln one is complicated. According to some historian lectures I’ve listened to he was trying to win an election. He was already controversial, had he been too outspoken he could’ve lost, and thank God he didn’t.
    The more interesting issue with Lincoln is he ran an election during wartime, when he could’ve put it off, but he didn’t plan correctly as he ran with an opposing party as his VP, thinking that would gain him favor and bring people together. So when Lincoln was assassinated, Andrew Johnson took office, he was pro slavery, thus how long it took for full emancipation, the KKK being so successful, and Jim Crow. Lincoln didn’t plan for his possible death, and everything he worked for was slowed, and many more people continued to suffer, because of it.

    • @coryhoggatt7691
      @coryhoggatt7691 7 місяців тому

      Whoever you listened to was an idiot. The Lincoln/Douglas debates didn’t occur during the war. Lincoln was clear about his agnosticism towards slavery both before and after the war, and he was strongly in favor of returning freed slaves to Africa.

  • @rkh7169
    @rkh7169 8 місяців тому

    Man I love this channel

  • @JD_4118
    @JD_4118 8 місяців тому +3

    About the coalbunker fire on the Titanic, the black thing circled on the pictre has nothing to do with it, since it is absolutely not where the fire was located. It was below the watter line and further aft. It is just a shadow or something else.
    Moreover, the iceberg opened a breach in the compartment after the mensioned coalbunker so even if there were no fire, Titanic was still doomed.
    And I the iron rivets is a myth.
    Sorry for being a ship nerd

    • @DarthMeteos
      @DarthMeteos 8 місяців тому +3

      never apologize for being a ship nerd
      ships are cool and nobody accepts the apology anyway

  • @Jameywells777
    @Jameywells777 8 місяців тому +1

    Cool video Simon

  • @DyrianLightbringer
    @DyrianLightbringer 8 місяців тому +5

    Regarding Lincoln, prior to the Civil War, he did sign a bill that said all blacks born after a certain date would not be slaves, thereby allowing slavery to eventually die off as there would be no new legal slaves. During the Civil War, the Confederacy started winning, and they were gaining support in Europe. The Emancipation Proclamation came about as a strategic maneuver. By declaring all Confederate slaves free, something he could only guarantee if the Union won, he changed the war. It was no longer about the South trying to be their own country, it was now about slavery, and every European country that previously supported the South had to withdraw their support, because they didn't want to appear to support slavery.

    • @DatcleanMochaJo
      @DatcleanMochaJo 8 місяців тому

      Not until he drafted the Corwyn bill.

    • @floydian218
      @floydian218 8 місяців тому

      I don't know about that. The South weren't exactly shy about how important slavery was to them, hell, they went out of their way to make it clear that they only really cared about the preservation and expansion of slavery in their own declarations. I doubt any nation supporting the CSA would have changed their tunes after the Emancipation Proclamation since the South's goal was already stated to be about keeping slavery from the start.

    • @DyrianLightbringer
      @DyrianLightbringer 8 місяців тому

      @@floydian218 yes, but the Union's goal wasn't originally about abolishing slavery. So, if the Union won, slavery wasn't changing right away. However, with the Emancipation Proclamation, the Union's stance on slavery was clear. If they won, slavery was over. So, originally, it didn't matter who foreign powers supported, it wasn't a slavery issue. After that, it became a slavery issue.

    • @everypitchcounts4875
      @everypitchcounts4875 8 місяців тому

      Cassius Marcellus Clay was the one who pushed Lincoln into signing the emancipation proclamation, since France and England were giving aid to the Confederate army that's when Russia sent its naval fleet to San Francisco bay to assist the Union army. The American civil war also started WW1.

    • @coryhoggatt7691
      @coryhoggatt7691 7 місяців тому

      Inaccurate. The US government outlawed foreign slave trade in 1805. Slavery was going to end with the death of the last slave in the US long before Lincoln became president. Lincoln DID offer the Corwin amendment to attempt to prevent secession, which would have made slavery entirely up to the states (for the time it could co to use). The Emancipation Proclamation was carefully written to be entirely symbolic, it didn’t free a single slave. Keep in mind that at the time, slavery was still legal in most of the northern states as well.

  • @multiyapples
    @multiyapples 8 місяців тому

    This is informative. Thanks Simon and team.

  • @relaxing_white_noises_by_j1980
    @relaxing_white_noises_by_j1980 8 місяців тому +10

    As a black american, this description of Abraham Lincoln is hardly discussed in the US. To sum it up, Lincoln only "freed my ancestors" to try and sabotage the confederacy in any way possible.

    • @coryhoggatt7691
      @coryhoggatt7691 7 місяців тому +3

      To be perfectly accurate, Lincoln only made slavery an issue in the war when northern states were threatening to pull out of what they were told would be a short and decisive conflict.

    • @todddouglas2022
      @todddouglas2022 6 місяців тому

      I love how y’all try and re-write history to fit your racist narrative. Lincoln was against slavery. He surrounded himself with abolitionists, such as Cassius clay. Look it up, guy.

    • @ChrisJensen-se9rj
      @ChrisJensen-se9rj 3 місяці тому

      Threatening to "pull out"?
      Bullshit!
      The Northern states had every opportunity to stop the Civil War in its tracks by ELECTION of a DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT in the election of 1864.
      The SOLDIERS VOTED for ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
      Fun fact.
      You sound like another idiotic "Lost Causer"

  • @meiketorkelson4437
    @meiketorkelson4437 4 місяці тому +1

    I love that East Germany essentially ceased to be because a politician was winging a press announcement...

  • @scottbrower9052
    @scottbrower9052 8 місяців тому +3

    Fun fact: Bald, bearded guys don't write all their many UA-cam scripts. The more you know.

  • @mikenco
    @mikenco 8 місяців тому

    The Berlin Wall story is incredible! Thank you.

  • @JLFAN2009
    @JLFAN2009 8 місяців тому +3

    The trouble with attempting to debunk historical myths is the risk of making straw-man arguments: one has to make gross generalizations of what exactly the history books teach, or what people believe at large. This is especially characteristic of American Civil War scholarship and analysis of Abraham Lincoln (whose words are often taken out of context).

    • @coryhoggatt7691
      @coryhoggatt7691 7 місяців тому

      Lincoln said clearly both before and after the war that his aim was always to reunite the states, whether or not the slaves were freed in the process.

  • @mohammedsaysrashid3587
    @mohammedsaysrashid3587 8 місяців тому +1

    Nice introduction of those events occurred in history

  • @DarkGlass824
    @DarkGlass824 8 місяців тому +11

    There's so many inaccuracies in the Titanic segment it's hard to take it seriously. No mention of the keel, no mention of how long it took to load lifeboats and time it took for the vessel to sink....but hey it's Simon....I don't have high expectations really as a result 😉

    • @randallyoung8297
      @randallyoung8297 8 місяців тому +2

      However, the length of time needed to load the lifeboats didn't contribute to the sinking, did it? The segment was specifically about how the ship didn't sink just from slamming into the iceberg. It was briefly listing the other contributing factors to the sinking. I'm pretty sure he already did a full deep-dive on the Titanic sinking on another channel.

    • @aliciabrinkofski386
      @aliciabrinkofski386 8 місяців тому +3

      The only thing is the other so called factors weren't factors. Both the weak steel and coal fire have both been debunked already. She barely launched the boats she did have the last two floated off one upside down.

  • @albertdehn8381
    @albertdehn8381 7 місяців тому

    Thanks for sharing 😀👍

  • @automechs360
    @automechs360 8 місяців тому +8

    About the titanic, the iceberg did sink the titanic, it sank due to damage caused by the titanic. The captain did head the warnings and made adjustments to her route. Due to the visual disturbances caused by the very drastic change in temperature the captains measurement was off by several "seconds" of degrees. The binoculars wouldn't have helped simply because as you stated the sea was calm and it was a moonless night. Also the visual disturbances caused by the temperature changes would have also reduced the time that they could have seen the iceberg. In addition to that they were sailing into the Labrador current from being in the Gulf Stream. The iron rivets were made of inferior iron grade but no different that the rivets driven by hand in other ships. The suggestion that the rivets failure is like you said which is that they failed EASIER than the rest of the machine driven rivets on the other sections. Also the fire on board the ship may actually have helped it during the sinking saving lives rather than costing. The Fire was in a bunker on the port side and so they transferred the remaining coal to the other side of the section and when water came in from the collision it balanced out the weight to the point that she remained on a even keel the whole sinking. If we're going to talk about the lifeboats lets also discuss the regulations in the board of trade had at the time, she carried the legal requirement. There is some talk that is was suggested for more lifeboats and Bruce Ismay refused because it blocked the view from the first class area.

  • @kellybreen5526
    @kellybreen5526 8 місяців тому +1

    I would like to show you a photo of a superior mirage but I can’t download the photo.
    I would suggest you search up images of superior mirages. The light bending associated with a superior mirage - which is caused by warm air going over a cold sea can make a massive container ship disappear.
    The binoculars would not have made any difference if this is what the crew was faced with. Weather records kept by a German ship suggest that conditions were ripe for just such a phenomenon to occur.

  • @RonanGallagherBand
    @RonanGallagherBand 8 місяців тому +3

    The best opening line at a social gathering. Titanic! It breaks the ice at parties. 😊

    • @whillard2447
      @whillard2447 8 місяців тому

      The issue here is that almost everything he said here is just false or lies... I'm expecting more research from this channel

    • @maxxdahl6062
      @maxxdahl6062 8 місяців тому

      @@whillard2447 What does that have to do with the OP?

    • @whillard2447
      @whillard2447 8 місяців тому

      @@maxxdahl6062 nothing with opening a discussion about Titanic, but don’t spread misinformation like this video does

    • @maxxdahl6062
      @maxxdahl6062 8 місяців тому

      @@whillard2447 His post had nothing to do with the factual content of the video, he was posting a joke you tell at a party.

    • @whillard2447
      @whillard2447 8 місяців тому

      @@maxxdahl6062 yes, but you’re still posting under a video that spread misinformation - so is it bad to tell that some people are just lying or telling false things over this topic?

  • @HJN67
    @HJN67 8 місяців тому +1

    I know it is a modern phrase to say; A disaster is not cost by a single event, but a chain of events that leads up to the disaster. However, in the case of the Titanic, I don't think any of the chains of events you describe, had any influence on the sinking of the Titanic. That honor have to be go to the iceberg. It was that single event that lead to the loss of the ship. Nothing else.

  • @DarthMeteos
    @DarthMeteos 8 місяців тому +13

    I'm sorry, man, but this Titanic segment is all wrong. You need to retract this.
    1) Nobody has ever said the Titanic charged at the iceberg. It has been known exactly what events transpired on the bridge in the lead up to the collision in detail from the very beginning at the inquiries. More importantly, nobody said the captain did anything, because he wasn't on the bridge when the collision occurred.
    2) Ships turn based on the amount of water passing over their rudder. The Titanic, sailing at speed, could turn better than she could if slowed down. This is why captains always sailed at full speed in icy conditions, because ice is usually visible to lookouts in plenty of time. The Titanic came up against a mirage, black ice, and a flat calm, and she still only barely scraped against it.
    3) The Mesaba ice warning is the subject of controversy. Lightoller said that he didn't receive the warning, but Bride said he did, and that Phillips delivered it. Lightoller also lied about the events of the sinking to protect the company, and this would have been just another lie to for the same reason, on top of just being in his own interest. There was no typo. And regardless, even if it had been received, it would not have changed how the ship was sailing.
    4) Phillips replied "Shut up, shut up, I am working Cape Race." This is a strange thing to get wrong, almost as if it was reworded to explain it to people in the audience who don't know what Cape Race is... But it's displayed on the screen like a quote? This is irresponsible.
    5) Binoculars would not have helped the Titanic's lookouts. Binoculars were used to verify sightings, and the iceberg seemed to just appear in the distance, easily visible to the naked eye. Binoculars reduce your frame of view, and are not good for searching an environment.
    6) It was an extremely cold night, very few portholes would have been opened. We've not found any evidence on the wreck of ports being open below the superstructure- In fact people testified that lights remained on in rooms under the water, implying that the ports were shut.
    7) The Titanic did not have brittle steel. This has been widely debunked in various documentaries that were motivated to 'prove' the brittle steel, and had to come back empty-handed. Despite it not being up to modern standard, the Titanic sank almost entirely intact until the very end, with enormous forces being applied to her hull. The rivets in particular have been tested thoroughly because the initial theory about the ice damage was that the rivets 'popped' off, opening seams in the plates. This has not been substantiated in tests done to the same steel that has been on the bottom of the Atlantic for a century, let alone in April 1912.
    8) There are no reports of the Titanic leaking seawater. I don't even know where you got this idea from, I've never heard it before in decades of research and being immersed in this topic, and couldn't find anything on Google.
    9) And here we go, the Titanic fire theory... Aside from it being exhaustively debunked by various sources as a cause for the disaster, the fire caused coal to be transferred to the port (left) side of the ship, which counteracted the flooding and prevented the Titanic from capsizing before a single lifeboat had been lowered.
    10) The picture you used of the supposed fire damage is multiple decks above the iceberg damage AND the fire, and is well before the Titanic had the fire in the first place, being that she's unladen, her anti-fouling paint is well out of the water, implying she hasn't even been loaded up yet. Her full complement of coal would have weighed her down considerably.
    11) The crew underfilled the lifeboats because of their urgency, not reticence. The idea was they would return to the ship and pick up more people. This did not eventuate. The Titanic sank out from underneath her last two lifeboats, so more also wouldn't have saved more lives.
    Atrocious. Almost everything was wrong. I've enjoyed this channel for years, and now that it touches on my topic, I find it's horribly researched and filled with fictions. It's got me wondered how much you've misinformed me on other things!

    • @LordSluggo
      @LordSluggo 8 місяців тому +3

      A lot. His team's notorious for errors like making videos on airplanes and showing photos of the wrong airplane. And I personally love the American Revolution of 1766. It wasn't as bad back when there were just 3 channels but the more Team Simon grows the sloppier they've been getting

    • @kenbrown2808
      @kenbrown2808 8 місяців тому

      the titanic did have brittle steel. I recall reading an analysis in which they did a test that measures the toughness of steel by striking a sample with a pendulum and measuring the deflection. samples of steel retrieved from the wrenc and samples from slugs cut from rivet holes and kept as souvenirs both shattered in testing. now this does not mean substandard construction - the explanation given was that they mistakenly correlated hardness with toughness, and the unintended consequence was that the hull cracked instead of denting.
      however, you are correct that nobody serious says the captain rammed the iceberg deliberately - that story has grown from people questioning whether their would have been a better result if it had been a direct hit instead of a glancing blow.

    • @DarthMeteos
      @DarthMeteos 8 місяців тому

      @@kenbrown2808 The Titanic had more brittle steel than today's materials, it was higher in impurities. The test you're referring to is from 1995, I'm familiar with it, but it's one thing to say the steel was brittle in a mechanical sense and another to say the ship itself was 'brittle' in the way you or I would use it.
      In practice, the Titanic held up ridiculously well. She broke apart under stresses orders of magnitude above her expected limits, and she tore herself to pieces when she did, rather than simply cracking cleanly.
      I am baffled about the line about ramming the berg. Obviously I've come into contact with the speculation, but the captain was never involved. Every source has an obligatory disclaimer that says "Murdoch would never do this, it'd be madness of the highest order." Even a cursory reading would reveal it to be false.

  • @bethterry2860
    @bethterry2860 8 місяців тому

    Thanks for real info Sam!

  • @KnightGlint
    @KnightGlint 8 місяців тому +7

    Normally I slap all of his videos on my watchlist and get to them later. This one I paused on because it seemed fishy. It only takes one fishy history video from a UA-camr to put all of the videos into question. I'm more hesitant to watch Simon's videos now.

  • @maurer3d
    @maurer3d 8 місяців тому +1

    Story 1:
    Revere: "It's a warning you are dead if you proceed"
    British Army: "Oh really chap, well best not keep them waiting"
    Revere: "Wait your just letting me go?"
    British Army: "Well certainly, we have an appointment with death."
    Gee now wonder we won.

  • @firestorm117
    @firestorm117 8 місяців тому +14

    The other strategic aspect a lot of people forget about with the Emancipation Proclamation was that it drew glaring attention to the Confederacies war time stance on slavery as they were starting to get close to building alliances with Britain and France. Historians say that the South wouldn't really have been able to win the war even with a few turns of fate, but if I remember correctly they do think it would have been more likely if Britain and France gave them stronger support against the union. By making the Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln shifted the war's purpose globally to be about slavery, and European countries couldn't really provide support for a country still supporting slavery. it cut them off from European support.

    • @PeteOtton
      @PeteOtton 8 місяців тому +1

      Keep in mind that Britain is the reason the Atlantic slave trade was shut down. While they were building ships for the confederacy, it was all very hush hush. It also helped that there was high yields of cotton in Egypt at the time.

    • @firestorm117
      @firestorm117 8 місяців тому +3

      @@PeteOtton Yea, they were trying to keep the public face about it a secret, but it was, if I remember right, seeming like a threat that they and France would eventually legitimize the confederacy by recognizing them as a sovereign nation and provide more support, mostly because their trade with the south for textiles. So the Emancipation Proclamation was a deterrent for that.

    • @LordSluggo
      @LordSluggo 8 місяців тому +2

      The US and Britain had extraordinarily strong economic ties even back then. The US bought a lot of machinery from Britain and they bought a lot of food from the US. There really wasn't a realistic situation where they would have blatantly sided against the US outside of pressuring for a peace deal.

    • @xdassinx
      @xdassinx 8 місяців тому

      Abe drew attention to the fact the south started the war because of slavery. By making the proclamation he reminded everyone.
      Abe's attitude doesn't prove the war wasn't about slavery. It absolutely was.
      What it does prove is that morons (Southern Leaders) were making policy based on conspiracy theories long before Trump, Greg Abbot , or Tennessee Republicans.

    • @jonathanwright5338
      @jonathanwright5338 8 місяців тому +2

      @@firestorm117side note of something a lot of people miss that you pointed out. The Confederacy would only have become a legitimate sovereign nation in its own right when foreign countries decided it was legitimate. So i guess another bit of genius in the Proclamation was delegitimizing the Confederacy in the eyes of the UK and France.

  • @t5ruxlee210
    @t5ruxlee210 5 місяців тому +1

    The key to the "Emancipation Proclamation" was that it was a wartime legal measure supposedly designed to deprive the Confederacy of a vital commodity in wartime, the labor of its black slaves, especially at or near the front . The measure deemed that any southern slaves capable of reaching any areas of the Confederacy which came under Union Army occupation going forward were to be moved to safety that precluded their recapture by the south.
    This avoided, for the moment, the long unanswered question of "how freeing slaves and compensating their former owners" was to be navigated given the complex peacetime legalities and politics to arise later at both the state and national levels.

  • @mygetawayart
    @mygetawayart 8 місяців тому +8

    The part about the Titanic is chockfull of horseshit. I clicked on the video expecting exactly that on account of the AI thumbnail and boy, i was not disappointed.

  • @yanceyschwartz
    @yanceyschwartz 3 місяці тому

    These episodes seem to be getting cut off at the end. Perhaps it has something to do with the ads coming on before the episode is finished?

  • @jasonreisenberger1285
    @jasonreisenberger1285 8 місяців тому +3

    And to think my first active duty station was in Germany as an 18 year old private when all this went down.

  • @TheJanesaw
    @TheJanesaw 6 місяців тому +1

    I heard binoculars normally were not used for look outs because it narrowed your vision greatly

  • @joshh535
    @joshh535 8 місяців тому +1

    “Shut up you’re jamming my signal.”
    Lmfao what a knob

  • @29boilersunderthesea99
    @29boilersunderthesea99 8 місяців тому +8

    Man Simon really doesnt think before posting, just a content farm. Yes there were a series of errors with the Titanic but if the iceberg wasnt hit a mild leak (tho its widely belived/debunked that there was none due to coal fire) it wouldnt have sunk. Getting my unsub

  • @jaysonpida5379
    @jaysonpida5379 8 місяців тому

    Excellent vid.

  • @2neetoon
    @2neetoon 8 місяців тому +20

    Glad he spoke about that midnight ride because that story spun completely out of control.

    • @PeepersonCreedo
      @PeepersonCreedo 8 місяців тому +7

      This was always the goal. It was meant to inspire people and create a sense of unity behind a legend who filled a role that no individual would have ever been able to on their own. To show people what a single man can do when he fights for something he believes in. For the unifying fight for freedom, he did the unthinkable- and so can we all.

    • @maxxdahl6062
      @maxxdahl6062 8 місяців тому

      @@PeepersonCreedo It wasn't meant for that, as it didn't come until long after the revolution. It was meant to try to keep the union together.

    • @PeepersonCreedo
      @PeepersonCreedo 8 місяців тому

      @@maxxdahl6062 that’s like saying: “the point of calling the police is not to get someone to help you, that just happens after the fact. The reason we call the police is so that our tax dollars aren’t being wasted”
      Just because the effect didn’t take place *immediately* doesn’t negate the purpose of the story being told the way it was

    • @maxxdahl6062
      @maxxdahl6062 8 місяців тому

      @@PeepersonCreedo I wasn't talking about the effect, I was talking about the time period that came to be and the methods. if you watched chapter one, it just said the shouting, etc flat out didn't happen.

    • @PeepersonCreedo
      @PeepersonCreedo 8 місяців тому

      @@maxxdahl6062 right, the story was an embellished version of reality. I wasn’t trying to deny that, I’m aware it didn’t take place the way the story is told. Though, I believe that the story is told in that way intentionally for the desired outcome of a legend who did the impossible. Something no one man could ever do.

  • @RaelNikolaidis
    @RaelNikolaidis 8 місяців тому

    Does Simon link to the sources used in his stories? I couldn’t find any. Point being, he should, if he doesn’t.

  • @clbcl5
    @clbcl5 8 місяців тому +3

    Lincoln did not say....."Don't believe everything you read on the internet".

  • @AMJDG
    @AMJDG 7 місяців тому

    For historical info - great video. For accuracy, not so much:
    -- The war that Paul Revere is featured in was the 1775 to 1783 Revolutionary War - not the Civil War which was from 1861 to 1865.
    -- The collision of the RMS Olympic with the HMS Hawke actually caused the passage to be cancelled and the passengers were transferred to other ships - she did not complete that voyage. Modern tests on the steel of the Titanic have shown that she was actually a very well-built ship and that did not contribute to the sinking.

  • @georgecristiancripcia4819
    @georgecristiancripcia4819 8 місяців тому +8

    You dont use the binoculars to search the horizont,you use them to confirm what you see with your naked eyes.
    Second,at that time,it was custom for ships to move as fast as possible to get clear of the ice.
    Third,the lookouts could not see anything bc of the low temperature and the ice wind they experienced bc of the ship speed