"Existing between 1481 and 1914..." I had thought the Ottoman Empire emerged in 1299 and ended in 1922-23 with the abolition of the Ottoman sultanate and the establishment of the Republic of Turkey? Some historians use 1453 as a founding date when the Ottoman State evolved into the Ottoman Empire with the fall of Constantinople. Has historical consensus shifted on this to 1481-1914?
I guess in his opinion the Sublime State ruled by the Ottoman Dynasty turned into an empire in 1481 (a really arbitrary date, 1453 or 1356 or 1299 would have made more sense). And the Ottomans were mostly dead by WW1 (THESE ARE NOT GOOD EXCUSES HE IS WRONG)
From 1299 to 1453 the state was considered as a "beylik" one of the many beyliks in anatolian peninsula. İt was the most respected one. But after the conquering of Constantinople Ottoman dynasty has gained the most influential position and considered as empire afterwards
Really it’s a matter of if it’s Istanbul, not Constantinople and if Istanbul is not Constantinople, and if you’ve a date in Constantinople, she’ll be waiting in Istanbul.
Kinda nuts to realise the Ottoman Empire didn't come to an end until right around the First World War. It's the kind of Empire one thinks happened MUCH further back in history - which, to be fair, it's start WAS pretty far back. But it lasted way longer than you'd initially think.
It could be argued Turkey is the Ottoman Empire with a change in the govermental system. Infact the Ottoman Empire was not an official name, the said civilization was globally known as Turkey or the Turkish Empire.
The silk bow strangulation was only applied to the ruling class; it was essentially due to the belief of ancient Turks of a concept called 'kut', which can be thought of a holly spirit or energy bestowed by Tengri to the Turkish Kagans (Khans), thus legitimising their rule over their subjects. The point is that that they believed the 'kut' is carried by the blood, therefore they did not want the holly 'kut' to be wasted to the ground by spilling the blood of the noble people who were close relatives of the Kagan.. PS: Due to this belief, 'kutalmis' name was pretty common among Turkish people (kut+almis, meaning he who has 'kut')
for coffee lovers it would have been brutal since at least for one ruler , anyone drinking coffee was put to death since he was the only one that could drink it
It was because drinking coffee was a communal activity where groups of people would gather in coffeehouses and all drink from the same big cup. The sultans saw these houses as a possible breeding ground for dissent, much like the pubs in Colonial America were where everyone gathered to complain about the King.
I once heard a old Turkish anecdote about coffee that sounded less horrific. When a man comes to ask a girls hand at the parents house, the mother would replace his sugar for salt , and when he drinks it up without Letting anyone notice and bring shame to the mother for her mistake, he’s a man of good character
God I love the conflict over coffee in Islam. There's a story about some scholars trying to figure out whether it was allowed or not; one scholar argues that it is haram because it's a stimulant and therefore a drug, but the other scholar argues that it is halal because it allows them to stay up all night reading the Quran.
Side Note: While not the First, one of the oldest treaties the United States signed centered around Barbary Pirates and their habit of taking Slaves. The practice was that wide spread, and that influential, that a young United States had to deal with it. I would recommend reading such a treaty if you get a chance, to understand better just how powerful this part of the Slave Trade was. PS: That treaty is also misquoted by Moorish Sovereign Citizens all the time.... Doubt any have read it, but they have been told all sorts of crazy stuff about it.
That has allmost no connection to slavery but with US merchants being attacked and their crews becoming hostages for ransom. You’re trying to make the practice of slavery by barbary pirates much bigger as it in reality is, US had to deal with it because American ships sailed the barbary coasts not because it spreaded so wide to even reach America. Some Americans truelly obsessed with other’s practicing slavery to downplay it in US history, it issen’t subtle and is not a good look.
@@dndsl3436 I also don’t think I was suggesting someone was but it definitely wassen’t a narritive based on facts that was suggested next besides the straight up lies offcourse
@@inigo9000no, the Barbary pirates were attacking so many American ships and taking so many hostages into slavery that it was draining the manpower of America. Hence the reason there was a meeting between Jefferson??? And an ottoman/Barbary emissary and when asked why they were enslaving Americans, he responded with something to the affect of non-muslims are less than. Hence the reason Americans went over there and brought the whole Barbary Coast to heel. And finally, the amount of sailors and merchants that were taken by Barbary pirates is far, far, far more than the amount of slaves ever brought to America. And we fought a war to abolish slavery but it's still very alive and well in African, middle eastern and Asian countries. No, we are not the same. You are correct.
As a Serb, we grow up with these stories. Parents used to tattoo and hack their kids' limbs off to avoid the blood tax. My great great grandmother had a 'sičanje' tattoo because they were coming to get her.
@@arrayvector The original janissaries were near perfect soldiers. The thing is Turks abandoned the devshirme system in 17th century and turned janissaries into a regular army corps recruited voluntarily. These second phase janissaries were horrible, they acted entitled because they were "janissaries" yet they didn't have the discipline and military prowess of the original janissaries.
The Janissaries were no exception to the weakening of central imperial authority in the 18th century. Trade and commercial activity replaced the disciplined military service of earlier centuries, and the Janissaries were willing to engage in violent acts of rebellion to protect their private interests in an increasingly decentralized and chaotic Ottoman Empire.
Janissaries we're a slave army of captured Christian and jewish children bred into armies and forced to convert to islam, to go then back and fight their towns and villages they came from
Two corrections. - Ottoman Empire did not start to exist from 1481. It was established in the year 1299. - Slave soldiers were NOT the bulk of the Ottoman army. Slave soldiers were only used in Janissary Corps. But Janissaries was only making up a small part of the Ottoman army. Initially their number was around 1,000 soldiers; they reached their peak numbers during Suleiman the Magnificient, reaching to around 10,000. The bulk of the Ottoman army was 'Sipahis' who were heavily armed horse mounted soldiers and akin to mechanised units of modern armies. They were wearing armours both by themselves and by their horses. There were also 'Akinjis' who are lightly armed and highly mobile cavalry units which are akin to special forces of modern time armies. Both Sipahis and Akinjis were comprised of Turkish soldiers only, no Devshirmes.
Mehmed 2 was born in 1432 and Mehmed 1 (his grandad) died in 1422. Mehmed 1 fought an intteregnum war against his brothers after their father Bayezid 1 died.
Another difference is that in Roman empire there were people who were not slaves. While in the Ottoman by the law every single person is kul a.k.a. slave to the sultan, including all the women in the harem, which were not legally married to him and by extension all their children were children of slaves, which means every future sultan entered life also as a kul. So if everyone is a slave to a single person who is a former slave, how striking is the similarity to the Roman empire?
Its not recruiting by their own will. Young boys were taken by force from their homes, converted to islam, given a muslim name and raised as turks, taught to fight christians in the name of the one who enslaved them, many cases are written where they were send years later against their own families.
@@velizarmarchovski7262What? No. Kuls were devshirmes. Slave is not an accurate term, as they literally had rights but still were property of the ruler. The common citizens were not kuls. Quite the opposite the citizinery held great power as there was no concept nobility in the Turkish empire. The whole purpose of janissaries was to protect royal dynasty from the Turks.
Some of those villages remained abandoned until the Nineteenth Century. Roughly coinciding with the creation of the United States Marine Corps. Who ended the activities of the Barbary Pirates.
They allready weren’t that big of a problem anymore outside occasional incidents and it’s France invasion of Aljazair that was the actual ending of it.
Hungary was under Ottman occupation during the 15th and 16th century, and even today the story of the Jannissaries (Janicsár) is one being told. Countless children were taken to become Janicsár, and they were feared fighters at the time.
@@xiontion9993 The only TRAITORS would be the ones who betray their nation of origin and their religion to serve and fight for the imperialist annihilators 😑😑 Disgusting individuals 🤮
Not to be commenting corrections after watching only 11 seconds of the video but... the Ottoman empire was founded in 1299, not 1481. If you want to argue that they weren't quite an empire in 1299, then you would absolutely have to acknowledge that the empire started in 1453 with the conquest of Constantinople. Also, the monarchy wasn't officially abolished until 1922 and the Ottoman absolutely existed through to the end of WWI in 1917. I don't know where the writer of this episode got those dates (the Wikipedia article for Ottoman Empire lets you toggle between maps of the empire for the years 1481/1566/1683/1739/1914, so I'm assuming they went off that? But also, the Wikipedia article clearly lists the years 1299-1922 at the top of the page...), but that's a pretty big discrepancy...
That 1299 date is just an arbitrary date. 27th July 1302 is the new accepted date of the Ottoman states foundation. The Battle of Bapheus was won and Osman 1 minted coins and the khutbah was read in his name. The empire itself was arguably formed after 1453 when Mehmet 2 declared him self kaiser-i rum i.e emperor of Rome. Read up on Halil İnalcık. He is the foremost historian on Ottoman history.
Let me give you some interesting information: There were two conditions to become a sultan in the Ottoman Empire: You must either be a descendant of Oguzhan or you must be a descendant of Genghis Khan. There was a law in the empire: If the line of the Ottoman family dries up and there is no one left to ascend to the throne, the Crimean Khan becomes the real heir to the throne. Because the Crimean Khan is a descendant of Genghis Khan.
Side Note: The king of Denmark even created a fund for bying free Danish sailors taken slaves by the Barbary pirates. In the summer of 1627, Barbary corsairs descended upon Iceland, killing dozens of people and abducting more than 400 to sell as slaves in Salé . It is estimated that between 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly 1 million and quite possibly as many as 1.25 million white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast.
This is why the conquest of Algeria Libya and Tunisia was so important not only for the protection of people from slavery but also to help develop modern institutions in these countries and teaching them alternative economic systems apart from slavery. It’s regrettable that these countries had to go from ottoman colonies to Italian/French colonies but all things considered this was a significant improvement given the ottomans were possibly the third worst colonial empire after Japan and Belgium.
Those who go the Iceland were Dutch pirates of the empire my bu.thurt friend. Read "Corsairs of Sultan" from Prof. Emtak Sefa Gurkan. You'll be suprized how many interesting facts you will learn.
Fo those wondering the atrocities committed by ottomans had nothing to do with Islam but their personal greed, and as muslims we don’t view them as heroes but as criminals.
There is a logical reason behind it, concurrence for the throne can cause a civil war resulting in thousands of innocent people dying for nothing, in order to prevent that they killed their own brothers for the well being of the state.
The Harem? Or where they lived and went 20 toes. Because I would be gobsmacked if those poor women are still serving an empire that has been dead and buried for over a century. (A joke...You single digit IQers whose head it may have flown over)
Well, not really... It's only Armenians and Arabs. As it is stated in the video, people of talent were exempt from Devshirme system, and due to their influence in finance, jewelsmithing and other important crafts, Jews and Armenians were exempt from the system. One of the leading reasons the collapsing Ottoman State moved against the Armenian people was their wealth. Even to this day, there are respectable Armenian families doing jewelry businesses in major cities that can probably trace their ancestory by centuries. And Jewish families who are still active in finance, banking etc.. Armenians were called "Loyal People" for the majority of the Empire's lifespan.. Of course the Late Imperial Government moving against them did kill the loyalty, but modern Turkish historical education is rather brainwashy. As for Arabs, that's a whole another can of worms. Due to Islam projecting itself as an umbrella that unifies peoples, the so called Ummah, the nationalism among Arabic people were regarded with much surprise.. Subject to far less discrimination (not none, mind.) by the central Imperial Government, and often having ridiculous autonomy compared to other regions under Ottoman Empire, with much of Arabia and Northern Africa being under loose control, which in turn allowed the people like Sheikh of Mecca to capitilise on the weakened state of the Empire with the Arabic Nationalistic movement. As for the Kurds, their "betrayal" comes after the Republic's foundation, that is a modern problem which I do not wish to talk about. Any other people is seen as freedom seeking by the Turkish people, with Greek claims on North and Western Anatolia causing a major conflict. I did not hear a single Turk say that Bulgarians betrayed us. Ask a Turk between the Greeks and the Arabs, who betrayed the Turks. They'll confirm that it's the Arabs despite the conflict with Greeks being much heated and somewhat continuing to this day.
@@MariamSharoianiThat is because Armenians rebelled at 1914 when we are already in a war against Russia. And they started attacking Turkish&kurdish villages where men were at the army. They slaughtered women&children with the help of Russian army. As you can imagine, that made everybody very angry so the state ordered all Armenians at Eastern Anatolia being sent to Syria. Actually, as you know, in all the countries in the world, the punition for the betrayal during a war is death. Sadly Ottoman government was weak and corrupt therefore Armenians escaped the just punishment. Meanwhile nothing happened to Armenians at the other part of the country. If you compare that to what USA did during WW2 to Japanese American citizens (putting all of them to concentration camps although they didnt betray) you must see how stupid Ottoman government was.
@@odenat3701did Japanese interred by the USA die by the hundreds of thousands?…The Niihau Incident proves that Japanese were not wholly loyal to USA either, but America has recognized this interment and apologized. Has Türkiye recognized any acts against any neighbors or do they claim that it wasn’t us, that was the ottomans?
@@luvslogistics1725 There were not hundred thousands of japanese us citizen. Still almost half of them died at concentration camps. Those japanese-americans didn't kill a single Us citizen. Compare them to Armenians who killed 400.000 turkish&kurdish civilian. But the fault lies with us. Armenians had to go to reserves centuries before just like USA did to Native American nations. Yet, we allowed them to live alongside us and that was a mistake.
Like many empires in the history, Ottomans had their highs and lows. One thing's certain they left a profound legacy. If you want to research more I highly recommend Prof. Dr. Halil Inalcik or Prof. Dr. Ilber Ortaylı's English books or interviews.
The Barbary pirates are the reason we have the United States Marine Corps - and their nickname, the "Leathernecks", for their leather gorget, because of the muslim practice of slicing at the neck to behead an enemy in battle. And some of the earliest naval engagements after we became a nation was against the Barbary pirates...
Id love to see a video about Abdul Hamid II, I was scrolling through UA-cam one day and found a Turkish drama about Abdul Hamid II and its fascinating. The Ottoman Empire is extremely fascinating.
Interesting so from what I can tell it was called the Ottoman State from 1299 to 1481 and subsequently the Ottoman Empire. Regardless I think you're right and I still agree that the founding date should be 1299, the more you know
@MattMcMatt The Ottoman State was not called an empire; only Western modern scholars called it an empire. The Ottomans called it the Grand State of the Ottomans.or Devlet-i 'Aliyye-i Osmaniyye In the same fashion, the Persians called themselves the Grand State of the Safavids, or Grand state of Qajar, which is in the west translated as empire for example "imprator," a term never used in the Islamic world. Note modern turkish call it osmanli impratorugu
Let this sink in: catholics ended roman empire. Byzantines were stabilizing, they were in touch with mongols ravaging oghuz turks, much like how their diplomacy and gold got rid of pechenecs and the goths. After the massive loot, rome was dead. Ottomans happened to be lucky right next to the weak byzantines, they kept things friendly with other stronger turkish beyliks and expanded towards west.
@@locusta-bw2vdWir sehen ja was westliche Kolonialisten mit der Kultur und Sprache der besetzten und ausgebeuteten Ländern gemacht haben. In Algerien sprechen sie alle Französisch, in Indien Englisch und ganz Südamerika außer Brasilien spricht Spanisch. Indigene Völker sind alle ausgerottet, Millionen von Schwarzafrikaner leben in Amerika! Das soll Erfolg sein? Das soll nicht brutal sein? Die Osmanen haben 1492 die sephardischen Juden aus Spanien gerettet, heute wird deren Sprache „Ladino“ außer in Israel nur noch in Istanbul gesprochen!! Dank der toleranten Osmanen haben ALLE Länder die unter der Herrschaft der Osmanen gelebt haben ihre Kultur, Religion und Sprache behalten können, sie Griechen, Albaner, Bulgaren, Serben, Mazedonier, Ungarn, Rumänen, Nordafrika und Naher Osten….ALLE…. Du hast NULL AHNUNG!
So what is striking is this. The man knew that the Sultan could snap his fingers and end his life and he chose to be sarcastic and ask if he should get his affairs in order. If he was worried, that would have already been done. What made him so bold as to ask such a question of someone who could have you killed by a flick of their fingers? Something about that story is not what it seems.
Vlad "The Impaler" Dracula credited many of his famous 'methods' to his time growing up in the Ottoman Empire, and the Sultan's own methods that he learned about while living in his palace. And when trying to convince the Ottomans against invading Wallachia, he did so in their ehh... love language. Ouch.
@@islammehmeov2334 Leave it to a turk to brag about slavery. Not much else to be proud of, I suppose. The great ottoman empire, now begging Europe to let them in... 🥺
I guess he hasn’t been to Topkapı palace, it’s not luxurious at all compared to European counterparts, which is actually stated by İlber Ortaylı, a well know historian in Turkey. Most of the luxurious parts were later added in the 17th and 18th centuries. The palace is more of a complex actually containing different facilities.
And they tried twice. If you look at the dates, you'll see masses of deaths from the Plague preceded the siege and battle - so the Ottomans faced a weakened army - yet they were still beaten - thank Allah!
I am the Ottoman child from Turkey/Bilecik and I was shocked that a foreigner made a video about Ottoman history and that Selim II was called Selim the Grim by all countries other than the Ottomans. Because in our country, he is called Selim with the earring or Yavuz Sultan Selim. There are two people who tell our history most accurately, one is Halil İnalcık and the other is İlber Ortaylı. And it is an insult to describe the Ottoman Empire as a state formed after the conquest of Istanbul. The Ottoman Empire was founded in the Söğüt district of Bilecik province at 1302. It declared its independence in 1299. The empire was established by defeating Byzantium in the Battle of Koyunhisar in 1302. Until Istanbul became the capital, 3 different provinces were made capitals. In order; Bilecik, Bursa, Edirne, Istanbul. Even most of our people think that it was founded in our city of Bursa. Because the effort to make people forget history, which is seen as modernization, is a reality in our country. So if you are interested, I recommend you use real sources.
@@ruxmania There were no surnames in the Ottoman Empire. The surname law was declared much later in our country. Before declaring your surname, you bore the nickname of the man you married. And the Ottoman dynasty does not consist only of the sultan who ascends to the throne, as you think. It continues with the girls whom the sultan married to the grand viziers. The surname Osmanoğlu was given only to the children of the last sultan. FYI. You have to guess how much this dynasty grew over the course of 600 years. Most sultans do not have 2-3 children as you think, there was even a sultan with 140 children, I am telling you so you can understand the number of children. The children whose names you have heard are those who have the title of prince.
@@marmoril2756 There are now. And their surname is Osmanoğlu. Ottoman sultans were killing their relatives and their all kin when they ascend the throne. So their relatives were not huge in numbers. You are not Ottoman, you never will be. Cope all you want.
@@ruxmania Please understand what I said earlier above. The surname was given to the Ottoman dynasty after the proclamation of the Republic. And only the last children of the sultan, who remained in the palace, were given the surname after being exiled from the country. It's not the last family I'm talking about. The Ottomans are not only made up of the children of the last sultan, and they did not kill all the other people who could ascend the throne when someone ascended the throne, as you think. Fratricide was abolished with Mehmed the Conqueror. If you look at the years of accession, death and kinship of the next sultans, you will see that the cousins and siblings ascended the throne only a few years apart. So it's not like they would kill all their relatives. The clan that made up the Ottoman dynasty consists of relatives. These relatives belonged to various ranks of the Ottoman Empire and helped in its establishment. My lineage is based on the family that founded the Ottoman Empire and the sofus who served as grand viziers and mullahs to the sultans. If you don't believe this truth, that's your choice. In addition, all Turks of Turkey, regardless of their clan, are Ottoman children.
@@marmoril2756 "Fratricide was abolished with Mehmed the Conqueror." This is not true. It was banned by Ahmet I. I refuse to be an Ottoman child. They saw their subjects as "reaya", which means cattle herd. Only 1% of the women were literate. Why would a woman want to be ottoman?! They were not counting women as people.
I am at 2:13 and you ate already off by about 50 years in your storytelling and facts. The fratricite issue arised after the Ottomans were defeated by Tamerlane in 1402 and Yildirim Beyazit, the sultan at that time died in captivity. It was Mehmet I not II who sought the decree, as he came victorious from a seven year civil war against his beothers, and his sons were the first ones to suffer from it, buried in his family tomb alongside him. I am not even touching your obviously biased headline, just stick to facts.
Regarding the eunuchs, using eunuchs in the palaces are very common and as old as slavery. Ottomans took this from Byzantines and most of the african eunuchs were encastrated in egypt by coptic priests.
It was just getting to the part where the Barbary pirates caught some Americans, and , when they refused to give back their new slaves, the American navy embarked on a cruise to Tripoli to lay waste and never leave a man behind. It was the first mission of the US marines.
Thanks for the well researched and fairly balanced video. One minor point, I think "nizam-ı alem" was translated (rather sympathetically) as "common benefit of all people", to convey the underlying idea that in case of a civil war of accession a la Wars of the Roses, common people would suffer as much as the royals, but I think the phrase better translates to "world order", or if we part a bit from literal translation, "social order".
@@johnjack2260 Downplaying the rich heritage of an entire people is kind of a western specialty if we're being honest. Both comments were thinly disguised dog whistles that were meant to evoke an emotional response.
@@unbabunga229 So, what was the purpose of all the africans in the US and British Empire until the 19th century? Tourism? People tortured, burned alive, decapitated ? The West became safer only after religious extremism and racism faded away.
@@zegerman360 categorically no, we did not. Living under the Ottomans, if you had a Christian-European worldview, would have been a living nightmare. I have no idea how the subjects felt about living under it, but I know a lot about life in the Ottoman Empire, they did not have any regard for human life, freedoms, and sounds sadistic tbh.
Agreed. However, if God allowed Mehmed’s rulership then it can be claimed to buy “ the Will of Allah”. Which it doubtless was claimed. That’s the problem of having a state religion, it ends up being abused.
the mosque at @0:42 has nothing to do with the ottoman empire, it has been recently built by Erdoğan to entertain his fantasies about reviving the empire and becoming its sultan
The thing that is downright shameful and frustrating is that Western media tends to focus on the negative aspects of the ottoman empire and sheds light on some of its faults instead of giving a nuanced viewpoint on an empire that lasted 600 years and offered great accomplishments in many fields. Why do I not hear western media discussing the great advancements in mapping and cartography as well as in other fields, or the religious and cultural tolerance displayed by the empire towards groups that were constantly persecuted in Europe. And why are many sultans portrayed as wine drinking womanisers even though they tended to lead their armies in person and spend many years in campaign away from the Royal Court. Why do you mention Mehmet the conqueror's ruling on killing siblings but do not state that he was merciful to the people of constantinople when he entered the city and forbade the harming of churches or the looting of the city. An action like this would have been exceedingly rare for a European monarch at the time. These details as well as others that are constantly missing from the conversation prevent many people from understanding the reality and truth of the Ottoman empire. If the empire's history was so dark and oppressive, how come it lasted 600 years?
Janissaries we're a slave army of captured Christian and jewish children bred into armies and forced to convert to islam, to go then back and fight their towns and villages they came from.
@@islammehmeov2334 Can you please explain what you wrote? Is it some pride from that bloody past? Or is it some idea for the modern day? In either case, can you explain why?
@@konstantinlozev2272 well according to you and the holl world we TURKS are the ENEMY'S the BAD GUYS the sorses of all EVIL and I decided to embrace it
@@konstantinlozev2272 we'll according to you and to all the world we the TURKIC PEOPLE are the BAD GUY'S we are the sorses of ALL EVIL and more so I decided to exept and embrace it
Dear Simon, I appreciate the extensive research that you are conducting prior to making your videos. Nevertheless, it is my belief that it wouldn’t hurt to learn the approximate pronunciations of certain names of people and places by asking a native speaker of that language rather than just reading them as if they were written in English.
@@Chad_Thundercock I totally agree with you. Names like Chad Thundercock are notoriously difficult to pronounce to many non-English speakers. In fact, I shall ask my students to read it as if it is written in their native language to hear how goofy it sounds. :)
Merica baby!!! Wooooo! The US of A is the only country that matters and all history should be framed in a reference of the "greatest country on earth"... Dude, really?
During the balkan wars in the ottoman army one of ten people was educated,while in the bulgarian army for example seven out of ten people were educated
There was a significant amount of religious tolerance during Mehmed II time and afterward. It wasn't perfect. But the Ottoman Sultans always tried to enforce it, given the cornucopia of religions across the empire.
He secretly runs them all. The subject matter of this video was chosen as a hidden message: he is the Emperor of UA-cam. The purported "algorithm" is just him chilling on a supercomputer being the god of UA-cam. We were better off not knowing... we were so innocent then...
Whenever I play medieval Total War or Rome Total War I always made sure I used ottoman empire related factions. Because Ottoman empire was beast and acting
Istanbul was Constantinople, now it's Istanbul not Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobodies business but the Turks.
I think the English-speaking world, which usually tries to pronounce foreign names correctly, is ready to move on to the next level of Turkish pronunciation: The "i" without the dot ("ı") sounds like a u, as in Topkapı.
Fun fact:
1. With Selim The Grim
He killed so many of his viziers (advisors). A popular curse at the time was, "may you be a vizier of Selim."
0:55 - Chapter 1 - Royally decreed fatricide
3:45 - Chapter 2 - From fratricide to life imprisonment
6:45 - Chapter 3 - The alleged gardener race of death
9:45 - Chapter 4 - The child abduction tradition of devshirme
13:15 - Chapter 5 - The african harem eunuchs
"Existing between 1481 and 1914..."
I had thought the Ottoman Empire emerged in 1299 and ended in 1922-23 with the abolition of the Ottoman sultanate and the establishment of the Republic of Turkey? Some historians use 1453 as a founding date when the Ottoman State evolved into the Ottoman Empire with the fall of Constantinople. Has historical consensus shifted on this to 1481-1914?
I guess in his opinion the Sublime State ruled by the Ottoman Dynasty turned into an empire in 1481 (a really arbitrary date, 1453 or 1356 or 1299 would have made more sense). And the Ottomans were mostly dead by WW1
(THESE ARE NOT GOOD EXCUSES HE IS WRONG)
From 1299 to 1453 the state was considered as a "beylik" one of the many beyliks in anatolian peninsula. İt was the most respected one.
But after the conquering of Constantinople Ottoman dynasty has gained the most influential position and considered as empire afterwards
Whoever wrote this thinks so.
@@mehmetgurdalthat is too long for beylik era. Murad I adopted title 'sultan', which should end beylik.
Really it’s a matter of if it’s Istanbul, not Constantinople and if Istanbul is not Constantinople, and if you’ve a date in Constantinople, she’ll be waiting in Istanbul.
Kinda nuts to realise the Ottoman Empire didn't come to an end until right around the First World War. It's the kind of Empire one thinks happened MUCH further back in history - which, to be fair, it's start WAS pretty far back. But it lasted way longer than you'd initially think.
and they did it only with one single dynasty.
It could be argued Turkey is the Ottoman Empire with a change in the govermental system. Infact the Ottoman Empire was not an official name, the said civilization was globally known as Turkey or the Turkish Empire.
In all likelihood, it lasted longer than the American empire will last 😮
To be fair they had lost almost all of their empire long before it formally fell.
@@thebagelsproductions
America is not an Empire.
The silk bow strangulation was a tradition of the Steppes people, especially the Turkmen and Mongols.
The silk bow strangulation was only applied to the ruling class;
it was essentially due to the belief of ancient Turks of a concept called 'kut', which can be thought of a holly spirit or energy bestowed by Tengri to the Turkish Kagans (Khans), thus legitimising their rule over their subjects.
The point is that that they believed the 'kut' is carried by the blood, therefore they did not want the holly 'kut' to be wasted to the ground by spilling the blood of the noble people who were close relatives of the Kagan..
PS: Due to this belief, 'kutalmis' name was pretty common among Turkish people (kut+almis, meaning he who has 'kut')
Ottomans werent turkic
@@Techtalk2030 Yeah, they were from Mars!
@@Techtalk2030 nonsense
for coffee lovers it would have been brutal since at least for one ruler , anyone drinking coffee was put to death since he was the only one that could drink it
It was because drinking coffee was a communal activity where groups of people would gather in coffeehouses and all drink from the same big cup. The sultans saw these houses as a possible breeding ground for dissent, much like the pubs in Colonial America were where everyone gathered to complain about the King.
I once heard a old Turkish anecdote about coffee that sounded less horrific. When a man comes to ask a girls hand at the parents house, the mother would replace his sugar for salt , and when he drinks it up without Letting anyone notice and bring shame to the mother for her mistake, he’s a man of good character
On the bright side, most of his subjects couldn't have afforded coffee anyway... oh wait
God I love the conflict over coffee in Islam. There's a story about some scholars trying to figure out whether it was allowed or not; one scholar argues that it is haram because it's a stimulant and therefore a drug, but the other scholar argues that it is halal because it allows them to stay up all night reading the Quran.
@@inigo9000That is pretty clever
The editor deserves a hefty raise just for the impeccably timed Don Cheadle End Game gif 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Side Note:
While not the First, one of the oldest treaties the United States signed centered around Barbary Pirates and their habit of taking Slaves. The practice was that wide spread, and that influential, that a young United States had to deal with it. I would recommend reading such a treaty if you get a chance, to understand better just how powerful this part of the Slave Trade was.
PS:
That treaty is also misquoted by Moorish Sovereign Citizens all the time....
Doubt any have read it, but they have been told all sorts of crazy stuff about it.
If I remember correctly, one of the first wars of the US navy was against the Barbary Pirates as a result of their raids on US merchant ships.
That has allmost no connection to slavery but with US merchants being attacked and their crews becoming hostages for ransom. You’re trying to make the practice of slavery by barbary pirates much bigger as it in reality is, US had to deal with it because American ships sailed the barbary coasts not because it spreaded so wide to even reach America. Some Americans truelly obsessed with other’s practicing slavery to downplay it in US history, it issen’t subtle and is not a good look.
@@inigo9000 I don’t think anyone was suggesting they were raiding the 13 colonies for slaves.
@@dndsl3436 I also don’t think I was suggesting someone was but it definitely wassen’t a narritive based on facts that was suggested next besides the straight up lies offcourse
@@inigo9000no, the Barbary pirates were attacking so many American ships and taking so many hostages into slavery that it was draining the manpower of America. Hence the reason there was a meeting between Jefferson??? And an ottoman/Barbary emissary and when asked why they were enslaving Americans, he responded with something to the affect of non-muslims are less than. Hence the reason Americans went over there and brought the whole Barbary Coast to heel. And finally, the amount of sailors and merchants that were taken by Barbary pirates is far, far, far more than the amount of slaves ever brought to America. And we fought a war to abolish slavery but it's still very alive and well in African, middle eastern and Asian countries. No, we are not the same. You are correct.
I'd love to see a video about the Janissaries specifically. One of the most interesting military corps of the late Middle Ages and Renaissance.
Yes! ❤❤
Triggering
As a Serb, we grow up with these stories.
Parents used to tattoo and hack their kids' limbs off to avoid the blood tax.
My great great grandmother had a 'sičanje' tattoo because they were coming to get her.
Quran teaches practice of slavery which justified them building slave armies
@@arrayvector The original janissaries were near perfect soldiers. The thing is Turks abandoned the devshirme system in 17th century and turned janissaries into a regular army corps recruited voluntarily. These second phase janissaries were horrible, they acted entitled because they were "janissaries" yet they didn't have the discipline and military prowess of the original janissaries.
Simon: Ottomans put and end to the Roman Empire
Mehmed: But I'm a Roman Emperor
Megkhmed apparently
That why to this very day they desperately wanna be Europeans even begging to join the European Union 🇪🇺😂
@@hamodalbatal464not any more now they won't to join BRICS
They aren’t the only ones. One could argue that European history from 1453-1918 had been one big “No, I’m the Roman Empire!” Contest.
@@Anglomachian But the only ones that claimed it legitimately through conquest
The Janissaries were no exception to the weakening of central imperial authority in the 18th century. Trade and commercial activity replaced the disciplined military service of earlier centuries, and the Janissaries were willing to engage in violent acts of rebellion to protect their private interests in an increasingly decentralized and chaotic Ottoman Empire.
Janissaries we're a slave army of captured Christian and jewish children bred into armies and forced to convert to islam, to go then back and fight their towns and villages they came from
Two corrections.
- Ottoman Empire did not start to exist from 1481. It was established in the year 1299.
- Slave soldiers were NOT the bulk of the Ottoman army. Slave soldiers were only used in Janissary Corps.
But Janissaries was only making up a small part of the Ottoman army. Initially their number was around 1,000 soldiers; they reached
their peak numbers during Suleiman the Magnificient, reaching to around 10,000.
The bulk of the Ottoman army was 'Sipahis' who were heavily armed horse mounted soldiers and akin to mechanised units of modern
armies. They were wearing armours both by themselves and by their horses.
There were also 'Akinjis' who are lightly armed and highly mobile cavalry units which are akin to special forces of modern
time armies.
Both Sipahis and Akinjis were comprised of Turkish soldiers only, no Devshirmes.
I prefer the başı bozuk😂.
I actually just finished reading '1453' by Roger Crowley. Excellent book on the fall of Constantinople. Good timing on this video!
Have a look at the Constantinople episode of fall of civilizations here on UA-cam to round it off completely.
True. The hour by hour account of the siege of Constantinople and how the city finally fell due to the use of Western-invented cannon. 😁
One of my favorite history books
Simon knew this, thats why he releases this video
Conquest of Constantinople*
There are probably still some humans alive who were born before the Ottoman Empire was dismantled.
Mehmed 2 was born in 1432 and Mehmed 1 (his grandad) died in 1422. Mehmed 1 fought an intteregnum war against his brothers after their father Bayezid 1 died.
One difference between Roman and Ottoman slavery: the Romans didn't recruit slaves as soldiers unless the situation was really, really desperate
Another difference is that in Roman empire there were people who were not slaves. While in the Ottoman by the law every single person is kul a.k.a. slave to the sultan, including all the women in the harem, which were not legally married to him and by extension all their children were children of slaves, which means every future sultan entered life also as a kul. So if everyone is a slave to a single person who is a former slave, how striking is the similarity to the Roman empire?
Islam Lowkey allows slavery through war
Its not recruiting by their own will. Young boys were taken by force from their homes, converted to islam, given a muslim name and raised as turks, taught to fight christians in the name of the one who enslaved them, many cases are written where they were send years later against their own families.
haha ahh yes a romaboo justifying rome's atrocities, romaboos are worse than weraboos
@@velizarmarchovski7262What? No. Kuls were devshirmes. Slave is not an accurate term, as they literally had rights but still were property of the ruler. The common citizens were not kuls. Quite the opposite the citizinery held great power as there was no concept nobility in the Turkish empire. The whole purpose of janissaries was to protect royal dynasty from the Turks.
last time I was this early, the ottoman empire existed
Some of those villages remained abandoned until the Nineteenth Century. Roughly coinciding with the creation of the United States Marine Corps. Who ended the activities of the Barbary Pirates.
They allready weren’t that big of a problem anymore outside occasional incidents and it’s France invasion of Aljazair that was the actual ending of it.
@@inigo9000 That's not how the fat electrician tells it.
The French ended them in 1830 actually... the USMC didn't become anything to be reckoned with until another 113 years later... -_-
@@PottyPirateXXIII_IX Shores of Tripoli
@@PottyPirateXXIII_IXIt's even in the Marine Corp song
Hungary was under Ottman occupation during the 15th and 16th century, and even today the story of the Jannissaries (Janicsár) is one being told. Countless children were taken to become Janicsár, and they were feared fighters at the time.
The Janissaries were recruited from the Balkans, mostly Serbs, Bosnians and Albanians with some Greeks.
"I put my foot on Ottomans like I was furniture shopping" - Vlad Dracula, ERBH.
Then he lost and died…
In the end he was beheaded with his own sword and his head was given a city tour on a spike...
dude was given the best education and service by the ottomans as hes brother was also with ottomans........but he betrayed
And in the end he got a free istanbul tour , unfortunately only for his head .
@@xiontion9993 The only TRAITORS would be the ones who betray their nation of origin and their religion to serve and fight for the imperialist annihilators 😑😑
Disgusting individuals 🤮
Not to be commenting corrections after watching only 11 seconds of the video but... the Ottoman empire was founded in 1299, not 1481. If you want to argue that they weren't quite an empire in 1299, then you would absolutely have to acknowledge that the empire started in 1453 with the conquest of Constantinople. Also, the monarchy wasn't officially abolished until 1922 and the Ottoman absolutely existed through to the end of WWI in 1917. I don't know where the writer of this episode got those dates (the Wikipedia article for Ottoman Empire lets you toggle between maps of the empire for the years 1481/1566/1683/1739/1914, so I'm assuming they went off that? But also, the Wikipedia article clearly lists the years 1299-1922 at the top of the page...), but that's a pretty big discrepancy...
That 1299 date is just an arbitrary date. 27th July 1302 is the new accepted date of the Ottoman states foundation. The Battle of Bapheus was won and Osman 1 minted coins and the khutbah was read in his name. The empire itself was arguably formed after 1453 when Mehmet 2 declared him self kaiser-i rum i.e emperor of Rome. Read up on Halil İnalcık. He is the foremost historian on Ottoman history.
Ottomans are good if you have a broken foot 🦶
😂
That joke really stool the show.
I'm a Muslim and yeaah they were nuts and ruthless!
Yeah, but I think they'd make a terrible government!
Nah, for that you need a Doctor or Nurse... maybe an Osteopath/ Chiro
Simon loves saying the word Empire. We love it too.
You are a content machine. Love it all
Let me give you some interesting information: There were two conditions to become a sultan in the Ottoman Empire: You must either be a descendant of Oguzhan or you must be a descendant of Genghis Khan. There was a law in the empire: If the line of the Ottoman family dries up and there is no one left to ascend to the throne, the Crimean Khan becomes the real heir to the throne. Because the Crimean Khan is a descendant of Genghis Khan.
Side Note:
The king of Denmark even created a fund for bying free Danish sailors taken slaves by the Barbary pirates. In the summer of 1627, Barbary corsairs descended upon Iceland, killing dozens of people and abducting more than 400 to sell as slaves in Salé . It is estimated that between 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly 1 million and quite possibly as many as 1.25 million white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast.
💪🏻🇹🇷☝🏻
This is why the conquest of Algeria Libya and Tunisia was so important not only for the protection of people from slavery but also to help develop modern institutions in these countries and teaching them alternative economic systems apart from slavery. It’s regrettable that these countries had to go from ottoman colonies to Italian/French colonies but all things considered this was a significant improvement given the ottomans were possibly the third worst colonial empire after Japan and Belgium.
@@AlexC-ou4juohh you drank the kool-aid 😅
Salé was in morocco not the ottoman empire @@islammehmeov2334
Those who go the Iceland were Dutch pirates of the empire my bu.thurt friend. Read "Corsairs of Sultan" from Prof. Emtak Sefa Gurkan. You'll be suprized how many interesting facts you will learn.
This is pretty frank. Usually there's a lot of looking the other way.
Fo those wondering the atrocities committed by ottomans had nothing to do with Islam but their personal greed, and as muslims we don’t view them as heroes but as criminals.
"Islam does not allow murder" "Muslim scholars agree on fratricide law."
There is a logical reason behind it, concurrence for the throne can cause a civil war resulting in thousands of innocent people dying for nothing, in order to prevent that they killed their own brothers for the well being of the state.
@@refikkartaler2081 well then maybe they could tone down the harem style lifestyle, or consider other ways that are less cruel
You won't find anything in Islamic teachings supporting fratricide to consolidate power or even nepotism.
@@refikkartaler2081yeah but that logic is so beyond flawed that it’s comically embarrassing that this was institutionalized to begin with
To be fair, it seems like those in power always make the rules everywhere
The past is the worst.
is it?
😂😂😂 iykyk
Hi Simon!
It's going to get way worse than it's ever been according to the only reliable book on earth, The Holy Bible.
Do you see who the president is ? Lol
I’ve been to Topkapı Palace and, I swear, the Harem there is the most haunted feeling place I’ve ever been to.
The Harem? Or where they lived and went 20 toes. Because I would be gobsmacked if those poor women are still serving an empire that has been dead and buried for over a century. (A joke...You single digit IQers whose head it may have flown over)
İ have been there too recently but to me it had a pretty cool aura and fascinating feeling
Lots of children died there.
Funny, I felt the same about the tower of London
I've been here twice it's the most interesting place in the palace and there is no haunted feeling.
I didn’t know about the mandated practice of fratricide for part of the Ottoman Empire. That’s really dark.
There is a logical reason behind that, you cannot understand it with the mindset of the 21st century
The entire empire was a dark place filled with Islamic depravity. Not sure why that in particular surprised you
@@t.bo.e2487what about the GEY life of the western monarch
Continued for about 120 yrs only, between 1480 and 1600, oyt of the 600 yrs life of the empire
Nice video.
You said it. The Ottoman Empire is one of the hardest countries to play as in Victoria III in my opinion.
I certainly would have hired only elderly, crippled head gardeners.
Turkish logic - Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Arabs and Kurds betrayed us after hundreds years of friendship
Well, not really... It's only Armenians and Arabs. As it is stated in the video, people of talent were exempt from Devshirme system, and due to their influence in finance, jewelsmithing and other important crafts, Jews and Armenians were exempt from the system. One of the leading reasons the collapsing Ottoman State moved against the Armenian people was their wealth. Even to this day, there are respectable Armenian families doing jewelry businesses in major cities that can probably trace their ancestory by centuries. And Jewish families who are still active in finance, banking etc.. Armenians were called "Loyal People" for the majority of the Empire's lifespan.. Of course the Late Imperial Government moving against them did kill the loyalty, but modern Turkish historical education is rather brainwashy.
As for Arabs, that's a whole another can of worms. Due to Islam projecting itself as an umbrella that unifies peoples, the so called Ummah, the nationalism among Arabic people were regarded with much surprise.. Subject to far less discrimination (not none, mind.) by the central Imperial Government, and often having ridiculous autonomy compared to other regions under Ottoman Empire, with much of Arabia and Northern Africa being under loose control, which in turn allowed the people like Sheikh of Mecca to capitilise on the weakened state of the Empire with the Arabic Nationalistic movement.
As for the Kurds, their "betrayal" comes after the Republic's foundation, that is a modern problem which I do not wish to talk about.
Any other people is seen as freedom seeking by the Turkish people, with Greek claims on North and Western Anatolia causing a major conflict. I did not hear a single Turk say that Bulgarians betrayed us. Ask a Turk between the Greeks and the Arabs, who betrayed the Turks. They'll confirm that it's the Arabs despite the conflict with Greeks being much heated and somewhat continuing to this day.
@@Batuhanifyalways was curious, why turks see armenians or “rebellion” as betrayal? Arabs okay got it it was an islamic khaliphate but armenians?
@@MariamSharoianiThat is because Armenians rebelled at 1914 when we are already in a war against Russia. And they started attacking Turkish&kurdish villages where men were at the army. They slaughtered women&children with the help of Russian army. As you can imagine, that made everybody very angry so the state ordered all Armenians at Eastern Anatolia being sent to Syria. Actually, as you know, in all the countries in the world, the punition for the betrayal during a war is death. Sadly Ottoman government was weak and corrupt therefore Armenians escaped the just punishment. Meanwhile nothing happened to Armenians at the other part of the country. If you compare that to what USA did during WW2 to Japanese American citizens (putting all of them to concentration camps although they didnt betray) you must see how stupid Ottoman government was.
@@odenat3701did Japanese interred by the USA die by the hundreds of thousands?…The Niihau Incident proves that Japanese were not wholly loyal to USA either, but America has recognized this interment and apologized. Has Türkiye recognized any acts against any neighbors or do they claim that it wasn’t us, that was the ottomans?
@@luvslogistics1725 There were not hundred thousands of japanese us citizen. Still almost half of them died at concentration camps. Those japanese-americans didn't kill a single Us citizen. Compare them to Armenians who killed 400.000 turkish&kurdish civilian. But the fault lies with us. Armenians had to go to reserves centuries before just like USA did to Native American nations. Yet, we allowed them to live alongside us and that was a mistake.
Previously everything I knew about the Ottoman Empire was from They Might Be Giants. Thanks Sideprojects
underrated comment
Like many empires in the history, Ottomans had their highs and lows. One thing's certain they left a profound legacy. If you want to research more I highly recommend Prof. Dr. Halil Inalcik or Prof. Dr. Ilber Ortaylı's English books or interviews.
The Barbary pirates are the reason we have the United States Marine Corps - and their nickname, the "Leathernecks", for their leather gorget, because of the muslim practice of slicing at the neck to behead an enemy in battle.
And some of the earliest naval engagements after we became a nation was against the Barbary pirates...
Id love to see a video about Abdul Hamid II, I was scrolling through UA-cam one day and found a Turkish drama about Abdul Hamid II and its fascinating. The Ottoman Empire is extremely fascinating.
Established in 1299 not 1481. Almost two hundred years off..
Interesting so from what I can tell it was called the Ottoman State from 1299 to 1481 and subsequently the Ottoman Empire. Regardless I think you're right and I still agree that the founding date should be 1299, the more you know
@MattMcMatt The Ottoman State was not called an empire; only Western modern scholars called it an empire. The Ottomans called it the Grand State of the Ottomans.or Devlet-i 'Aliyye-i Osmaniyye In the same fashion, the Persians called themselves the Grand State of the Safavids, or Grand state of Qajar, which is in the west translated as empire for example "imprator," a term never used in the Islamic world. Note modern turkish call it osmanli impratorugu
@@iliaselmaghrebi9114 Oh cool thanks for the info!
Let this sink in: catholics ended roman empire.
Byzantines were stabilizing, they were in touch with mongols ravaging oghuz turks, much like how their diplomacy and gold got rid of pechenecs and the goths.
After the massive loot, rome was dead. Ottomans happened to be lucky right next to the weak byzantines, they kept things friendly with other stronger turkish beyliks and expanded towards west.
Do you have sources to refer to this documentary?
They had some cruel practices, however, Europeans killed millions with their Imperialism.
Bro acts like that's unique to European empires lmao
Yes. But Europeans had both cruel practices and cultural achievements, while the Turks had cruel practices only.
@@locusta-bw2vdWir sehen ja was westliche Kolonialisten mit der Kultur und Sprache der besetzten und ausgebeuteten Ländern gemacht haben. In Algerien sprechen sie alle Französisch, in Indien Englisch und ganz Südamerika außer Brasilien spricht Spanisch. Indigene Völker sind alle ausgerottet, Millionen von Schwarzafrikaner leben in Amerika! Das soll Erfolg sein? Das soll nicht brutal sein?
Die Osmanen haben 1492 die sephardischen Juden aus Spanien gerettet, heute wird deren Sprache „Ladino“ außer in Israel nur noch in Istanbul gesprochen!! Dank der toleranten Osmanen haben ALLE Länder die unter der Herrschaft der Osmanen gelebt haben ihre Kultur, Religion und Sprache behalten können, sie Griechen, Albaner, Bulgaren, Serben, Mazedonier, Ungarn, Rumänen, Nordafrika und Naher Osten….ALLE….
Du hast NULL AHNUNG!
@@locusta-bw2vdsame shit for both, none of them are good
So what is striking is this. The man knew that the Sultan could snap his fingers and end his life and he chose to be sarcastic and ask if he should get his affairs in order.
If he was worried, that would have already been done. What made him so bold as to ask such a question of someone who could have you killed by a flick of their fingers?
Something about that story is not what it seems.
Vlad "The Impaler" Dracula credited many of his famous 'methods' to his time growing up in the Ottoman Empire, and the Sultan's own methods that he learned about while living in his palace.
And when trying to convince the Ottomans against invading Wallachia, he did so in their ehh... love language. Ouch.
But how's head got IMPAILD and how's people got ENSLAVED fore 400 years 😂
@@islammehmeov2334 Leave it to a turk to brag about slavery. Not much else to be proud of, I suppose. The great ottoman empire, now begging Europe to let them in... 🥺
@@benioz1763 not any more now we TURKS are preparing to become a NEW EMPIRE ourselves
@@islammehmeov2334 Without NATO to hide behind, Turkey wouldn't even be a country right now lmao
@@benioz1763 I bet this guy is not a Turk. The religious nuts love to brag about slavery. But not Turks.
Nice video
Im actually here first for the first time😅simon nice vid as always
What were the 8:20 and 12:46 scenes from?
I guess he hasn’t been to Topkapı palace, it’s not luxurious at all compared to European counterparts, which is actually stated by İlber Ortaylı, a well know historian in Turkey. Most of the luxurious parts were later added in the 17th and 18th centuries. The palace is more of a complex actually containing different facilities.
How many channels do you have bro
Never got Vienna anyway 🤷🏻♀️
But thanks to those Austrians we at least got the croissant 🇦🇹 :)
@@ismarwinkelman5648 The Austrians did, before the french stole it 😅
@@thepax2621 True! I edited my comment to make sure everyone knows about it 👌🏾
And they tried twice. If you look at the dates, you'll see masses of deaths from the Plague preceded the siege and battle - so the Ottomans faced a weakened army - yet they were still beaten - thank Allah!
@@garyphisher73751537 OTTOMAN WAR BATTLE GORJANİ?.?
Did my man really just say the Ottoman Empire started in 1481?
I am the Ottoman child from Turkey/Bilecik and I was shocked that a foreigner made a video about Ottoman history and that Selim II was called Selim the Grim by all countries other than the Ottomans. Because in our country, he is called Selim with the earring or Yavuz Sultan Selim. There are two people who tell our history most accurately, one is Halil İnalcık and the other is İlber Ortaylı. And it is an insult to describe the Ottoman Empire as a state formed after the conquest of Istanbul. The Ottoman Empire was founded in the Söğüt district of Bilecik province at 1302. It declared its independence in 1299. The empire was established by defeating Byzantium in the Battle of Koyunhisar in 1302. Until Istanbul became the capital, 3 different provinces were made capitals. In order; Bilecik, Bursa, Edirne, Istanbul. Even most of our people think that it was founded in our city of Bursa. Because the effort to make people forget history, which is seen as modernization, is a reality in our country. So if you are interested, I recommend you use real sources.
You are not ottoman child if your last name is not osmanoğlu.
@@ruxmania There were no surnames in the Ottoman Empire. The surname law was declared much later in our country. Before declaring your surname, you bore the nickname of the man you married. And the Ottoman dynasty does not consist only of the sultan who ascends to the throne, as you think. It continues with the girls whom the sultan married to the grand viziers. The surname Osmanoğlu was given only to the children of the last sultan. FYI. You have to guess how much this dynasty grew over the course of 600 years. Most sultans do not have 2-3 children as you think, there was even a sultan with 140 children, I am telling you so you can understand the number of children. The children whose names you have heard are those who have the title of prince.
@@marmoril2756 There are now. And their surname is Osmanoğlu. Ottoman sultans were killing their relatives and their all kin when they ascend the throne. So their relatives were not huge in numbers. You are not Ottoman, you never will be. Cope all you want.
@@ruxmania Please understand what I said earlier above. The surname was given to the Ottoman dynasty after the proclamation of the Republic. And only the last children of the sultan, who remained in the palace, were given the surname after being exiled from the country. It's not the last family I'm talking about. The Ottomans are not only made up of the children of the last sultan, and they did not kill all the other people who could ascend the throne when someone ascended the throne, as you think. Fratricide was abolished with Mehmed the Conqueror. If you look at the years of accession, death and kinship of the next sultans, you will see that the cousins and siblings ascended the throne only a few years apart. So it's not like they would kill all their relatives. The clan that made up the Ottoman dynasty consists of relatives. These relatives belonged to various ranks of the Ottoman Empire and helped in its establishment. My lineage is based on the family that founded the Ottoman Empire and the sofus who served as grand viziers and mullahs to the sultans. If you don't believe this truth, that's your choice. In addition, all Turks of Turkey, regardless of their clan, are Ottoman children.
@@marmoril2756 "Fratricide was abolished with Mehmed the Conqueror."
This is not true. It was banned by Ahmet I. I refuse to be an Ottoman child. They saw their subjects as "reaya", which means cattle herd. Only 1% of the women were literate. Why would a woman want to be ottoman?! They were not counting women as people.
I love how whoever wrote this slipped in that song reference that is temple was Constantinople
I am at 2:13 and you ate already off by about 50 years in your storytelling and facts. The fratricite issue arised after the Ottomans were defeated by Tamerlane in 1402 and Yildirim Beyazit, the sultan at that time died in captivity. It was Mehmet I not II who sought the decree, as he came victorious from a seven year civil war against his beothers, and his sons were the first ones to suffer from it, buried in his family tomb alongside him. I am not even touching your obviously biased headline, just stick to facts.
Regarding the eunuchs, using eunuchs in the palaces are very common and as old as slavery. Ottomans took this from Byzantines and most of the african eunuchs were encastrated in egypt by coptic priests.
"nepotism huh?". 😂😂😂
It was just getting to the part where the Barbary pirates caught some Americans, and , when they refused to give back their new slaves, the American navy embarked on a cruise to Tripoli to lay waste and never leave a man behind. It was the first mission of the US marines.
Why does no one mention that "God's Chosen" were among the worst of slave traders???
Thanks for the well researched and fairly balanced video. One minor point, I think "nizam-ı alem" was translated (rather sympathetically) as "common benefit of all people", to convey the underlying idea that in case of a civil war of accession a la Wars of the Roses, common people would suffer as much as the royals, but I think the phrase better translates to "world order", or if we part a bit from literal translation, "social order".
People should read The Ottoman Centuries by Lord Kinross of really interested in this empire. A quite long read, but very good.
And how a none TURKIS person will now about the OTTOMAN TURKS if he is not TURKIS?
@@islammehmeov2334 I'll attempt to decipher your English. If you don't think a person outside of a group can study that group, you're ignorant.
Devshirme is still used in modern Turkish to describe naturalized sports players or academicians.
That 13 year old has an amazing beard!
This is not Mehmed the IV had a harem wen he was 9 years old
Very interesting
So many aspects of Ottoman culture were truly vile. I’m happy I never had to endure being under their reign.
My family was, but we sustained
You never did. Nor your parents.
My ancestors did and it was great. I would not be here without the Ottoman Empire.
So they REALLY continued the Roman Empire practices…
And their descendants continue to fervently defend and glorify their "culture"
Look who's talking, the westener
It is the fruits of islam 😂
Ypu didnt prove him wrong@Miki-fl9ez
@@johnjack2260 Downplaying the rich heritage of an entire people is kind of a western specialty if we're being honest. Both comments were thinly disguised dog whistles that were meant to evoke an emotional response.
@@BHTQ18 Yeah because Christianity or Judaism doesn't do this right 😂?
good!
And people complain today? Such practices might seem barbaric today, but most countries had similar practices back then.
Not in the west mate
@@unbabunga229yeah,we did such thing till the 20th century
@@unbabunga229 So, what was the purpose of all the africans in the US and British Empire until the 19th century? Tourism? People tortured, burned alive, decapitated ? The West became safer only after religious extremism and racism faded away.
@@unbabunga229really 😂😂😂
@@zegerman360 categorically no, we did not. Living under the Ottomans, if you had a Christian-European worldview, would have been a living nightmare.
I have no idea how the subjects felt about living under it, but I know a lot about life in the Ottoman Empire, they did not have any regard for human life, freedoms, and sounds sadistic tbh.
Theocratic rulers are as cruel today as they were then
That opening line sounded like a sneeze. Thottomanempah!
To those watching this: Mehmed's decree of fratricide was NOT Islamic. Again, this is NOT in the religion of Islam.
Agreed. However, if God allowed Mehmed’s rulership then it can be claimed to buy “ the Will of Allah”. Which it doubtless was claimed. That’s the problem of having a state religion, it ends up being abused.
Killing gays; prostitutes and people who have sex before marriage is ... Yea what a shame
the mosque at @0:42 has nothing to do with the ottoman empire, it has been recently built by Erdoğan to entertain his fantasies about reviving the empire and becoming its sultan
The thing that is downright shameful and frustrating is that Western media tends to focus on the negative aspects of the ottoman empire and sheds light on some of its faults instead of giving a nuanced viewpoint on an empire that lasted 600 years and offered great accomplishments in many fields. Why do I not hear western media discussing the great advancements in mapping and cartography as well as in other fields, or the religious and cultural tolerance displayed by the empire towards groups that were constantly persecuted in Europe. And why are many sultans portrayed as wine drinking womanisers even though they tended to lead their armies in person and spend many years in campaign away from the Royal Court. Why do you mention Mehmet the conqueror's ruling on killing siblings but do not state that he was merciful to the people of constantinople when he entered the city and forbade the harming of churches or the looting of the city. An action like this would have been exceedingly rare for a European monarch at the time. These details as well as others that are constantly missing from the conversation prevent many people from understanding the reality and truth of the Ottoman empire. If the empire's history was so dark and oppressive, how come it lasted 600 years?
Janissaries we're a slave army of captured Christian and jewish children bred into armies and forced to convert to islam, to go then back and fight their towns and villages they came from.
Take a shot every time you hear a sharp inhale
"Whoever held sway over the head eunuch held sway over the empire itself" - Varys the Spider approves from the shadows.
Anyone know what movie/ show the decapitation clip is from?
Probably, one of the "final destination" movies.
1299 - 1923 actually
You look like Williem Dafoe
Bulgarians called the Devsherme "Blood Tax".
The walahians have a reason to 😂
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@@islammehmeov2334 Can you please explain what you wrote? Is it some pride from that bloody past? Or is it some idea for the modern day? In either case, can you explain why?
@@konstantinlozev2272 well according to you and the holl world we TURKS are the ENEMY'S the BAD GUYS the sorses of all EVIL and I decided to embrace it
@@konstantinlozev2272 we'll according to you and to all the world we the TURKIC PEOPLE are the BAD GUY'S we are the sorses of ALL EVIL and more so I decided to exept and embrace it
No wonder the empire no longer exists.
İ expected more brutality after knowing what we europeans did at that time …
Dear Simon, I appreciate the extensive research that you are conducting prior to making your videos. Nevertheless, it is my belief that it wouldn’t hurt to learn the approximate pronunciations of certain names of people and places by asking a native speaker of that language rather than just reading them as if they were written in English.
If they didn't want their names mispronounced, they shouldn't have had such goofy names.
@@Chad_Thundercock I totally agree with you. Names like Chad Thundercock are notoriously difficult to pronounce to many non-English speakers. In fact, I shall ask my students to read it as if it is written in their native language to hear how goofy it sounds. :)
@@TheOliverTeacher
Perfect. The world would be a lot better if we could all appreciate the silly things in life now and then.
Nice Solarization!
achmed and the stranglers
I really hate the AI art in the thumbnail. It's dark and creepy. It's off-putting.
Just like real life back then.
not dark enough for the topic
If it were me my princes would have become princesses....
POV queen or consort
LIFE W BRUT
Whoever designed that thumbnail needs to get fired.
I think AI designed it
My BROTHER why were people so insane in the past.
You mention the Barbary Coast Pirates and don't even bother to mention that they were destroyed by the then young United States. For shame.
No they were allready not as much of a problem anymore when US came to the scène and the total ending came with France invading Aljazair
Probably because that's not what this video is about.
Cousins were mentioned and Simon also forgot to mention the list of all my cousins.
Merica baby!!! Wooooo! The US of A is the only country that matters and all history should be framed in a reference of the "greatest country on earth"...
Dude, really?
France actually- there’s an entire world outside of ’murica
Aren't pirates criminals?
During the balkan wars in the ottoman army one of ten people was educated,while in the bulgarian army for example seven out of ten people were educated
So when do Europeans get their reparations from the Turks?
Wen europe give back all the land that you europe stole from the TURKS 😊
Hmmm…I prefer the LazyBoy to the Chair & Ottoman.
What a pointless empire. Not a single paragraph written in the book of human progress during their time
They where tolerant to religions even more than western europe
The jisraa was tolerant ???
existance of balkhan culture can be counted as progress
@@ardacakr6464 You mean bureaucracy and corruption? Too bad the western world missed out and developed science-based empires and nations huh?!
There was a significant amount of religious tolerance during Mehmed II time and afterward. It wasn't perfect. But the Ottoman Sultans always tried to enforce it, given the cornucopia of religions across the empire.
How many youtube channels do you have man?!?! xD
It’s easier to count the ones he hasn’t
@@j.a.weishaupt1748 LOL XD
He secretly runs them all. The subject matter of this video was chosen as a hidden message: he is the Emperor of UA-cam. The purported "algorithm" is just him chilling on a supercomputer being the god of UA-cam. We were better off not knowing... we were so innocent then...
no more brutal than any other pre-modern empire
You must be a Muslim 😂
@@t.bo.e2487you must be christian 🏳️🌈
Whenever I play medieval Total War or Rome Total War I always made sure I used ottoman empire related factions. Because Ottoman empire was beast and acting
Istanbul was Constantinople, now it's Istanbul not Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobodies business but the Turks.
Guess it's nobody's business, but the Tuuuuuuurks
Now, every gal in Constantinople lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople, so if you've a date in Constantinople she'll be waiting in Istanbul.
What's going to happen to Chess Piece Face ?
I think the English-speaking world, which usually tries to pronounce foreign names correctly, is ready to move on to the next level of Turkish pronunciation: The "i" without the dot ("ı") sounds like a u, as in Topkapı.