I'm a veteran of the OEF. Your closing statement really struck home. To love your country and protect freedom is patriotic. To question your government is the best use of freedom that there is.
The way I see it, war is an elimination of population. Did they really study this situation to make the conclusion & decision they finally made? Sure lots of money is always made with a war, but WHO really scores financially in the end?
To question your government based on reason, rationality, logic is one thing but most critiques of our government are based on ridiculous conspiracy theories. These conspiracy theories are doing more harm than actual conspiracies.
@@drstevej2527 Riiiiiiight, because the Government ALWAYS has your best interests in mind, huh. Tuskeegee Airmen, St Louis Mid 50's, San Francisco early 60's, the Jab that big Pharma just put out. You need to do some research
Does anyone else see parallels between the use of the second Gulf of Tonkin Incident to justify U.S. involvement in the Viet Nam and the "weapons of mass destruction" that were used to justify the war in Iraq after 9/11?
Don't conflate nukes with the entire WMD category. Iraq claimed to have weaponized anthrax, and the US knew that Saddam had a few tons left of the sarin and mustard gas we sold him in the 1980's. (Don't forget we DID find and destroy chemical weapons stockpiles, even if we don't like to admit most of those stockpiles were leftovers from our prior sales.) You're not wrong in your idea, the nuclear fear-mongering was purely to sway public perception. (Both to stoke fear, and to overshadow our involvment with the very real chemical weapons stockpile.) P.S. Check out Reagan era policies regarding Saddam & the Afghan "rebels" that became the Taliban - hindsight is 20/20 and the picture isn't pretty.
@@nunyadayumbusiness591the 2003 UN weapons inspectors, headed by Blix, made clear they beleved there were no WMD programmes - 21 years later there was nothing. All the 5/2/03 presentation by Powell at UN was all BS. Even he knew it sounded BS - he looked embarrassed having to say this is what we have. Was 911 a false flag? Of course not
@@kyuven Except that the sinking of Lusitania did NOT result in the US entering the war. That didn't happen until April 1917 in the wake of the Zimmermann telegram and Germany's attempt to coerce Mexico into invading the US in exchange for returning Texas and all other former Mexican territories.
With respect to Tibet, China's cultural claims are nonsense. China wanted control of Tibet because of its position as "the water tower of Asia". The Yangtse, the Yellow, the Ganges, the Anapurna, and the Mekong, as well as several other rivers, all have their headwaters on the Tibetan plateau.
That's what literally ever empire in history has done. It's never about cultural preservation....it's all just tactics. You can't judge one side without judging them all, otherwise you're just a victim of propaganda
You're right - of course for anyone in the lower class (particularly the untouchables) things are much better under China and the Dali Lama really just wants to bring back class based theocratic rule. So it's better as is, but it's not good. It's kinda like cars are better than roads clogged with horse excrement, but cars certainly aren't good for the environment. For most Tibetans China is a less bad problem (but still a problem.)
@@TheGrinningViking The Dalai Lama is the head of a branch of Buddhism, not Hinduism, which is where the caste system is significant. Certainly, in Tibet, there were poor and relatively rich, but there was not the wide gap seen in many other countries, including China. Further, the rule from Lhasa was nominal. The Dalai Lama was neither the only Lama, nor did he have an extensive enforcement organization, and the difficulty of moving around the mountainous areas of Tibet meant that many villages were effectively independent. The northern plateau was sparsely populated and the biggest threat the few travelers to the region reported were bandits. The truth is that there were rulers in the past who held larger territories which were later taken by China. One could make the argument that China should belong to the Mongols or to the Manchus.
Did toy forget they invaded and controlled "China" for a long time.....once you get the power, you take over your enemies...like I.s.ra.e.l is doing......bet you don't mind that hypocritical western trash....
Gulf of Tonkin should be taught. Perhaps the calls of "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq would not have succeeded if more people were aware of that incident.
I can confirm that the Gulf of Tonkin incident IS taught in UK schools - it was included in the syllabus of the History GCSE my daughter sat this summer.
So you know how many war were predicated on “that country sunk our ship” and “we found a secret letter of this country conspiring against us”. In total fabrications.
Well not for the first time back in 1965 bec WW2 also started with a fake provocation: Radio Gleiwitz Incident, few months later the soviets also had their Tonkin Incident: they bombarded a fortress northwest of LeninGrad and blamed the Finns for it!
I have known about Port Chicago since I was a small child. I visited the site with my father. He was in High School in Richmond CA, about 27 miles from the site. He saw the flash and the fireball. Seconds later, the entire house was shaken. The windows rattled in their frames. Many people thought the Japanese were attacking. They didn't know what to do. Only the Halifax and Texas City explosions rivaled Port Chicago. All were terrible disasters.
My grandfather's family had a farm in Port Chicago but we lived in Antioch. For those that don't know, the San Joaquin & Sacramento rivers merge In Antioch and flow West past Pittsburgh and Port Chicago before carving in to the bay at Benicia/Mare Island. The geography is odd with flat land dotted by mountains, I could see Mt. Diablo from my house. There were many industries on the south side of the river. The military used the river too. Mare Island was a Navy repair base. The Navy's mothball fleet is on the shallow North side of the river. There are many Navy installations in the 3 bays and the river is important to shipping.
Yeah. Seems to be a regional thing. The Port Chicago Disaster wasn't something kept from us in any way. I grew up in Concord. I first heard about it in elementary school.
Texas City was also to the place of one of the "most successful" serial killers in American history who operated over a 40 year period Clyde Hedrick. Texas City became known as "the Killing Fields" due to all the women he murdered Who is thought to have raped and murdered up to 80-100 women before being caught. Which only happened because his mother had died, and she lied to the police over that entire period giving her son an "alibi" even though she knew what he was doing. He served only 8 years of a 20 year sentence, and now resides at home under "house arrest". Being considered to be "too old" to ever be a threat again. American justice at work. Personally, if I were one of the fathers of a daughter he murdered, I would be very happy he was released from prison, and now resided at home and couldn't leave it. Sorry, I'm not Jesus.
0:50 - Chapter 1 - When the allies invaded russia 6:15 - Chapter 2 - The port chicago disaster 10:50 - Chapter 3 - Chinese annexation of tibet 13:40 - Chapter 4 - Gulf of tonkin incident
I knew about your chapter citations before I was old enough to vote. The USA invaded Russia from the East. Everyone knows about the Chicago port disaster as we do the PRC annexation of Tibet as well as the Tonkin incident. For the last, I was backpacking in Philmont New Mexico as military aircraft were scrambled for practice.
I think #1 is fairly well known, at least among people with more than passing awareness of WW1. But I bet it was the kind of thing everyone tried to forget during the Cold War. I don't think #2 is well known. I think non-combat military history tends to be pretty obscure, especially since it seems to have been an accident. Contrast it to the Black Tom explosion in WW1, which IIRC was sabotage and as a result is better known. #3 I think the Chinese annexation of Tibet is something most people are aware of, but not the circumstances. Tibetan Buddhists run a pretty effective PR campaign. #4 this isn't learned in school primarily because American schools rarely have time at the end of the semester to study post-WW2 history. It's also both lost int he shuffle of larger issues about the Vietnam War and confusion over the fact that there were two incidents - one real and one mistaken. Even without the second incident I suspect something would have happened that would have drawn the USA into a more active role in the Vietnam War. In any case, the more important thing is not whether the second attack really occurred, but rather Congress essentially abdicating their responsibility and giving the president a blank check. Failure to formally declare war during the Korean War and again during the Vietnam War set and cemented a troublesome precedent.
I think if Simon wanted to put chapters in his videos, he would have done it. I don't know why you people insist on wasting your time posting chapters.
Of all of Ken Burns' documentaries, the one that I learned the most from was his documentary on Vietnam - even more than his documentary on the US Civil War. I encourage everyone, no matter your nationality, to watch it, as the subject of Vietnam covered several decades, and involved many foreign powers - including France and England. And, it was much, much more complex than what we have seen with Hippies and helicopters. In the end, my main takeaway from it is that America was more or less tricked into getting and staying involved with Vietnam, and it was America's hubris that escalated it (as well as the military-industrial complex). On a side note, there is another infamous fake naval battle that America was also involved in. None other than L. Ron Hubbard himself (of Scientology fame) was a naval officer in the US Navy during WWII. He was the captain of a destroyer (if I remember correctly). For two days, he had his crew engaged in a fierce battle with a submarine. Afterwards, it was determined that there was no actual submarine, and that Hubbard had fabricated the whole thing.
@@Justin.Martyr Justin; I never want to meet you nor any member of your family. My ancestors & family fought in America's wars from Colonial times to Iraq.
100% wrong on Vietnam. We stopped the expansion of communism anywhere else in Asia by showing the Russians how dearly we would sell any of our allies. After that they never dared try again.
@@jjt1881Your father is a hero. I’m very sorry for your loss. I lost a few friends in Vietnam. But my best friend who is also a nurse who served shared many horrible stories and suffered from the effects of Agent Orange. I was grateful that she served as my maid of honor. Never forget!
An interesting footnote to the Gulf of Tonkin Incident: the ships involved were part of the Seventh Fleet, Fifth Carrier Division. The flagship was the USS Bon Homme Richard, headed by then-Cmdr. George Morrison, which was then north of Vietnam. He gave the order for ships escorting the USS Ticonderoga to enter the Gulf of Tonkin. George Morrison was the father of Jim Morrison, lead singer of The Doors.
You will coincidentally find that many prominent members of the counterculture movement were, in fact the children of prominent military and political figures. There is a significant amount of evidence to suggest that the hippie/counterculture movement in the United States was a false flag to demonize the antiwar movement.
Also, the great Simon left out one other faction during the Russian civil war which I was taught about in high school. The Greens. No direct relation to any of Europe's Green Parties today, rather it was just a whole bunch of farmers who were fed up with all of the fighting from all sides.
I learned about the Halifax explosion in school because I’m from MA and Halifax sends Boston a Christmas tree every year as a symbol of gratitude for all the first responders and aid that Boston sent in the immediate aftermath.
Yup. Nova Scotians remember with gratitude, and you count on that tree til the end of time. It's actually a big deal locally when the tree is selected.
Fascinating observations, but again, this video was not about the Halifax explosion, but about the "Port of Chicago" explosion in San Francisco, that killed many Black US Navy servicemen. If you watch and listen, you may learn about something you didn't know about!
The wounded Marine being bandaged alongside the wall, his name is David Crum. The picture was taken during the battle of Hue in the midst of the Viet Cong's Tet Offensive of 1968. He survived the war and would heed a call to the ministry.
@@OllamhDrab Theres still people today that believe Iraq was chiefly responsible for the 9/11. People will always believe the propaganda, and many times even in the face of the truth.
Our first cousin, twice removed, was involved in the British part of the 'intervention' in Russia. He used to tell a story about traveling in civvies, on a civilian ship, but toting a rifle.
@@OllamhDrab100%. As of 25 years ago the College Board had that incident included in the curriculum for the AP History exam. I don’t know if that’s still the case, but because of how important the incident was to the start of the Vietnam War (or the US involvement anyway) there is at least one generation of American students who were taught all about it in school. That said, I can see why Simon may have included this in his list having never attended American schools and probably not hearing about it back in England.
I had a professor who always asserted the the Cold War started in 1917, because of the invasion of Russia. Stalin in particular never forgot it, which is why there was so much distrust between the USSR and the Western powers in later decades, despite being on the same side during WWII.
I think Halifax was a more powerful explosion. It certainly had more casualties and property damage. There was another explosion in Texas City Texas (near Galveston) in 1947 that killed 581 people. The fact that most of the casualties in Port Chicago were sailors, and black sailors at that, kept it from being talked about as widely as the other disasters.
The Halifax Explosion occurred in [Halifax](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_(former_city)), Nova Scotia, Canada, on the morning of December 6, 1917. SS Mont-Blanc, a French cargo ship fully loaded with wartime explosives, was involved in a collision with the Norwegian vessel SS Imo in the Narrows, a strait connecting the upper Halifax Harbour to Bedford Basin. Approximately twenty minutes later, a fire on board the French ship ignited her explosive cargo, causing a cataclysmic explosion that devastated the Richmond District of Halifax. Approximately 2,000 people were killed by debris, fires, and collapsed buildings, and it is estimated that nearly 9,000 others were injured. The blast was the largest man-made explosion prior to the development of nuclear weapons, with an equivalent force of roughly 2.9 kilotons of TNT. In a meeting of the Royal Society of Canada in May 1918, Dalhousie University's Professor Howard L. Bronson estimated the blast at some 2400 metric tons of high explosive.
Halifax is still the largest non-nuclear explosion in history. Estimated yield of 2.9kt. To see just how big it was... it was the equivalent of 250 MOABs going off at once. Port Chicago was 1.9kt. Beirut was 0.8kt. Tianjin 0.3kt. Little Boy was roughly 15kt.
The only one I wasn't aware of was the Port Chicago incident, which is pulled up in another tab to be researched shortly. I blame the school systems for not sharing that information with us. I lived in East Tennessee and Wisconsin and the first time I saw the Pacific Ocean was in 2006 when I went to Seattle for NCO training (back then it was PLDC) course. I went to LA once for 2 days between LA, San Diego, and Las Vegas for a short vacation. Anything I learned about was either an accident I read further into (the allied invasion of Russia). This was never something I ran across before, so thanks for pointing it out. Speaking about how important it was to civil rights and a push towards equality. I was never taught about the 1921 Tulsa Massacre, but happened to see it somewhere and started reading into it. It is a required topic in history class throughout Oklahoma, but not nation wide.
The other three are well documented but I who thought I was very knowledgeable about history had never heard of the Chicago port explosion and it's implications for civil rights. I'm not American so perhaps I can be forgiven.
@@SirAntoniousBlock Don't worry, your not alone, But I find it interesting (and not really surprised) that the P.O.S. was a Democrat, and this wasn't the only racist thing he did = en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Rankin
Gulf of Tonkin Incident is pretty well known, although maybe not taught in schools, but still well aware to anyone remotely versed in the Vietnam War. But honestly the history of US faking false flag incidents goes back well further than that, with the USS Maine incident.
Even worse, the only PATRIOTIC war was the revolutionary war. If you look at it objectively the U.S.A has been the "Red Coats" in every conflict transforming Viet Cong fighters into their own island's FOUNDING FATHERS. In my opinion, only wars where "liberated" or "conquered" people won't return the favor the second they can, are ones that REQUIRED guerilla tactics to win. Simply put, because you are actually suffering under their rule. So if you, YOURSELF are NOT WILLING to AT ANY MOMENT DIE for it. Then it isn't important enough to fight over. Then you probably shouldn't vote or tell someone to do it because it will only ever blow up in your face. So in consequence you are forced into a imperial state the second you raise the first false flag. The reason for this is because you have to preserve your own life at any cost. The type of media that comes of out that, from IRON WALL REGIMES to 1770 East cost. It's almost impossible to lie to the fighting force about why their dying unless they earn something. Like the British Monarchy sailing over to, basically, uncharted lands to fight a unknown enemy that looks like the general population. No one ever taught you that the reason we failed Iraq, Afghanistan, chechia, Turkmenistan ,gulf war, Vietnam war, shit we caused with the UN in plenty of African and south American countries. All of which we eventually lost our "Substantial foothold" to literally economic decay from using 1.5 million to kill a 12year old with a Molotov cocktail.
Australian forces also participated in the intervention, notably at Archangel and Murmansk. See the slouch hats in the photo at 4:00.The only two Victoria Crosses awarded to British and Dominion forces in the campaign were awarded to Australian servicemen: Corporal Arthur Sullivan and Sergeant Samuel Pearse.
Your name is literally the most generic name imaginable. Youre a default starter character. More bland than plain white bread. The only emotion you illicit is the need to yawn. Never call another thing boring for the rest of your existence. @justinsmith4562
When I was in high school 21 to 24 years ago, three were definitely taught in my history class: Allied involvement in the Russian Civil War was mentioned, the Chinese annexation of Tibet was also taught, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident absolutely was taught. The Port Chicago disaster was not.
The US education system is always more willing to talk about what other countries have done vs what it’s own country has done in relation to the social issues from the past are still relevant today and that wouldn’t fit the narrative of “We’re the best, we do nothing wrong and everything is fine, so shut up about the past!” Sure, we get taught stuff we’ve done wrong and then attempted to change, but can’t emphasize it too much in case people notice the changes haven’t really been what they needed to be. (Yes, I have a lot of opinions lol)
Similarly the Russian civil war (including allied troops) and Gulf of Tonkin were covered in UK GCSE history 20 years ago (ages 14-16 yrs old). Not sure about Tibet and Port Chicago
I don't remember that incident ever being mentioned in school in the last 1990's/early 2000's, but I definitely remember learning about the Pentagon Papers.
The Port Chicago story is one well-known to me. I was in the U.S. Navy between 1981-1985. In 83 I was stationed on an ammo ship (USS Shasta AE-33) that was home ported out of Port Chicago (*out of,* it never stayed longer than to on-load or off-load ammo and then it would leave). The stories surrounding the event were well-known to all of us, including the story (reportedly documented by the local papers at the time), of a huge ship*s anchor that ended up in someone*s back yard due to the blast!
I also was homeported in Port Chicago in 1973-74, on the old USS Pyro. Nobody liked talking about the explosion. I only learned about the mutiny much later. It was a spooky place, especially at night with the fog and mist.
The story of the Port Chicago was the basis of Mutiny, a made-for-television movie by James S. "Jim" Henerson and directed by Kevin Hooks, which included Morgan Freeman as one of three executive producers. Starring Michael Jai White, Duane Martin and David Ramsey as three fictional Navy seamen, the film aired on NBC on March 28 1999.
when I was a 5-8 year old from 1965-68 singing the hymn How Great Thou Art in the Baptist church on Long Island that I attended with my parents every Sunday, I didn't realize at the time that the verse "I hear the rolling thunder" had inspired the naming of the Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign in North Vietnam.
My father was a Vietnam vet and he fully supported the Second Gulf War and I told him then that we were looking at a second Vietnam. He argued with me and I asked him if he saw the parallels. It's all there, the fabricated reason for us to go in, the vaguely defined objectives, the troop surges and the withdraw. I was in Desert Shield/Storm and I saw first hand the Iraqi forces, so i knew it wouldn't be as bad as Vietnam but bad none the less. Fortunately my dad passed before it was over.
I suspect that was the entire point. Cheney and Rumsfeld and the other Nixonites wanted another shot at Vietnam, only this time without those damn hippies in the way. They got it -- and guess what? They bungled it all over again.
No, Afghanistan was the “second vietnam”. Legitimate reason to go in aside, the U.S. should’ve stayed there and been a security force. Instead the pullout led to service members killed, the taliban took over and now is harboring/ training terrorists and the U.S./ U.N. will probably have to go back.
@@treydezellem27 Both Iraq and Afghanistan were arguably Vietnamesque conflicts in that they were dominated by asymmetric/guerilla warfare and involved populations that had been colonized before and Really Didn't Like It. And both seemed to teach the same essential lesson: it doesn't matter how much time, effort, money and technology you throw into nationbuilding. If institutions and structures don't come from the people themselves, they won't survive. Yes, the Afghanistan pullout was humiliating, and there's plenty of blame to go around between both the Trump and Biden administrations for that blunder. But I genuinely doubt it would've ended any other way. We were there for *twenty years.* Exactly what do you think four more would have accomplished?
@@treydezellem27 You can't fight people willing to blow themselves up. You can't fight for people who will not fight for themselves. You can't send any more troops into places where this will happen. We should never be in the nation building business. Not good for our bottom line as a country.
I really appreciate these vids - thank you. I'm surprised how many folks just have no idea bout the Gulf of Tonkin incident, Tibet or the ugly international complications of the Russian revolution.
The main reason I didn't know about it is I am a Baby Boomer, and was maybe 10 yo at that time. For some reason it seems the Tonkin Gulf Incident never seemed to come around to me. I'm not surprised, though, because Johnson was a dirtbag.
I'll be 70 in a very few days and I either learned about, in public school, every single event mentioned in this video and/or lived through them. I find it sad that education has declined to its current level of ignorance.
I only know about some of these because my parents love Tibetan buddhism and taught me about it since very young. I live in a post communist country and learned a lot through people's experiences during totalitariam regime. The fear of speaking your mind really runs deep past those times because people were encouraged to spy on each other and report everything and anything
i find your statement incredibly ignorant. This current generation is the smartest and most well prepared generation ever to exist - I guarantee you we are learning history, math, science, and literature at a level you couldnt even conceive of when you were our age. Most of the things we learn in public school did not even exist back when you were in school. Were you taking multi variable calculus or organic chemistry as a high school junior? I think not. kindly keep your ego to yourself
When I was a kid in the 90s, people were well aware of Chinese brutal occupation of Tibet. But no one, especially the American media, talks about Tibet anymore. The propaganda minster of the CCP did a wonderful job in getting Americans to forget about it.
They have all gotten a lot of funding from the ccp as well as the universities and unions. Hell even most of congress rep and especially dems get ccp funding. Trump really truly was the first to tell them to go fuck themselves and start rooting out that kind of corruption.
@@bluegold1026 you have to kill the beast where it stands first and foremost stop trading with China, we are the reason for their success and we should be the downfall.
Fun fact. The false flag Gulf of Tonkin Incident, the US Navy senior Vietnam commander was named George Morrison. A few years later his son Jim and his band The Doors would go onto to be one of the biggest names in the 60’s hippie movement.
@@daanlambrecht8398 read Weird Scenes From Inside the Canyon by David McGowan, there’s all kinds of strange connections between 60’s music and the military and intelligence agencies.
@@daanlambrecht8398 They didn't speak. Dad hardly knew what his son was doing. And NOBODY but Commander Herrick, a few pilots, and Bob MacNamara knew the second attack didn't actually happen. The American public didn't learn the truth about the GOT incident for decades.
Tonkin wasn't a false flag. On the first day, Maddox was on a routine DeSoto (recon) patrol at the same time that the South VN were executing an OPPLAN 34-A (SOG/CIA) raid to infiltrate SVN spies into the North. The North VN, thinking Maddox was part of the raid, sent patrol boats to investigate. Maddox fired warning shots. (Note: we fired first.) Tico's jets blew up a patrol boat. The NVN retreated. At a White House meeting of national security advisors, LBJ ranted about the "unprovoked" attack. CIA chief told LBJ that the North was probably reacting defensively to our OPPLAN 34-A raid. But no one listened to him. Second "attack." Maddox was joined by Turner Joy and ordered to go back to demonstrate US resolve. The sonarman requested to man the 5-inch gun, and a rookie took the sonar station. Quickly, sonar reported a torpedo. He reported many torpedos that night. Our ships fired a thousand shells at anything that might be a target. After the war, it was revealed that the North VN had no vessels in the water that night. Flying CAP overhead, Squadron Commander James Stockdale had the best seat in the house. Decades later, he wrote that he saw nothing but calm seas and American firepower. Maddox's Cdr Herrick reported the attack when it happened, but later that night sent another message saying that no one saw any enemy and he doubted an attack had occurred. At the White House, SecDef Bob MacNamara saw the message, but did not tell President Johnson about it--and off to war we went.
The actions in Tibet should not be labeled as “highly debated” we live in a western society and we can and should be openly saying that what’s going on in Tibet is a complete humanitarian crises imposed by a Chinese regime that have slaughtered a multitude of the most peaceful people spanning generations
Churchill tried again at the end of WWII. After the defeat of the Third Reich, he wanted the allies to turn against the Soviet Union and erase it from existence once and for all. The war weary allies were, understandably, not too keen on the idea, so Churchill had to accept failure in that endeavor for a second time.
Churchill was such a POS. The Red Army lost millions in that war and played the most significant role in the defeat of Germany. I don't think the Allies would have been able to defeat the USSR, but the fact that Churchill wanted to try is so gross. Then again, what else can we expect from a man who thought it morally acceptable to intentionally starve tens of millions.
@@ayantuinthenow that's not true, they were an absolute mess. The US gave them THOUSANDS of tanks and 8 Billion dollars just so that they could stand against Germany. Stalin said himself they wouldn't have defeated the Germans if they didn't have the help of the Americans. The US government also sent over professionals to ignite their war production. They also simply could not compete logistically with the US. General Patton also wanted to steamroll the USSR because he saw how much of an issue they could cause.
You can actually find a lot of books about it, if you were raised at the library. School can teach you a lot, but the library is a necessary part of education.
Educators complain that they can't cover everything because their are social issues that are more important & that there is not enough time to teach a comprehensive World History. Does that make sense?
As with most nations, history is skewed to your current country's perspective. It's up to us, as humans with curious brains, to go looking for what school didn't teach us. It's all out there. And it's all fascinating. So much unknown to be known.❤🧠
All I remember being taught in school is WW2 (with a tiny bit of WW1), but only in Europe so wasn't even aware of what happened in the rest of the world. I understand they couldn't teach me everything but I didn't need 3 straight years of nothing but 'the UK saved the world by standing up to Hitler' (and my friends who did History at GCSE and A level also focused on WW2). I'm so grateful I now have access to so much information so can teach myself.
I'm way older than you (GCSEs were being phased in as I was leaving school) but the history lessons went from the Romans to 1066, slipped in a bit of Napoleon then did what they called Modern History which started in 1870 and the rise of Germany under Bismark, a lot about both world wars with mention of Atlantic and Pacific action, the Russian revolution, the General Strike and the Great Depression, the second rise of Germany and the Chinese revolution and touched on the cold War and the Cuban Missile Crisis. And all of that was for a CSE! When I helped my daughter with her history homework, I knew more detail than she had in her reference materials, and had to prove it to her. Maybe they taught so much more back then because we were closer to it 😊
@@multipletanksyndrome Well, considering the P.O.S. politician was a Democrat (no surprise there), and this wasn't his only foray into rampant racism, they still managed to convince Black American's to vote for them, and look how that turned out.
@omnitravis we all do, but when it comes to these historical events, how else are you gonna get people click on it and learn some new stuff that their school refuses to teach? When it comes to educational videos, I can see why.
@omnitravis not in my school. I'm the one who pay attention the most. So I don't know what you are on. Yet again, school is taught differently around America and in different states
May I recommend you cover the absolute best case of selective memory loss in history, which is the story of the English Armada. I’m sure you have heard of the Spanish Armada and Spains spectacular defeat trying to invade England in 1588, but you will be surprised (surely by design) to learn about how, just one year later, the English made an almost identical attempt to invade Spain, and suffered an almost identical defeat. We’re talking about 10-20 THOUSAND dead English sailors and soldiers who are not even acknowledged in their own countries curriculum even though it was the single largest loss of English lives in war until World War I. Mustn’t have been a ‘polite’ thing to discuss.
We literally have a whole museum dedicated to defeating the Spanish armada down in Portsmouth. But this is the first I've ever heard of Britain losing their own navy.
Interestingly enough, in Michigan did learn about that the American forces involved in the Russian civil war. This is because I think around 2/3rds of the soldiers in the (US) expeditionary force were from Michigan, with many others coming from other Great Lakes states. Chosen because of the cold climate these states have. They were nicknamed the polar bears or the polar bear regiment. But basically we were taught that the regiment was sent at the request of France and the UK to secure armaments the allies had given/sold the Russians (to keep them out of the hands of Germans and then communists) and to help "rescue" the Czechoslovak Legion. Neither of these were accomplished (arms had already been taken by the communists by the time the forces arrived) and the men weren't given clear communication what they were supposed to be doing. There were protests in Michigan wanting their loved ones to return.
The thing I never knew about the revolution in Russia is that the initial revolution was completely bottom up. It wasn’t the result of some great Bolshevik plan, it started as a few soldiers not following orders to attack civilians. The mutinous soldiers expected to be in front of a firing squad but again and again individuals (the people running the trains had a big impact) made small decisions that snowballed into the collapse of the Czarist government. Lenin was taken completely by surprise at first.
The 1985 MOVE bombing is an event basically no one knows about and deserves a place in a video. The police threw fire bombs from a helicopter on a neighborhood in Philadelphia. In 1985. Regardless of your thoughts on the reasons behind the event, fire bombs from helicopters is something that seems important to learn about in the drone era.
While the bombing was reckless and resulted in tragedy, the police did not drop bombs on "a neighborhood," they dropped two very small bombs on a fortified pillbox that MOVE had illegally built on the roof of their building and from which they were waging a pitched gun battle with police, including the use of illegal machine guns. The bombs hit a gasoline generator and it was gasoline from that fire that caused the fire to burn out of control and spread to neighboring buildings.
I am a history professor and have taught both high school on-level classes as well as AP classes. We discuss the Gulf of Tonkin Incident and the Allied invasion of Russia. Gulf of Tonkin Incident in particular is absolutely important as it set off the Vietnam War.
My father served in the Navy during WWII and he told me about the Port Chicago explosion and the following mutiny of Black sailors. This is one of those tragedies that slipped down the memory hole because the U.S. didn't want to face how racism existed during WWII.
Do you mean 11:01? And it's not entirely the same colour. And feck you for making me scroll through the video and learn where Taiwan is. Taiwanese egg council creep.
Sort of. It's a lighter shade of green just like that mountain region to the south who name escapes me a the moment. Anyway, it's intended to highlight "disputed" land. However, Any rational person knows Taiwan is not a disputed region, and is a sovereign nation.
The Port Chicago disaster is an excellent example of how the abuse of human beings might benefit a limited group of people, but that, as a whole, it will hurt humanity far more than it could help.
I had a single US history teacher teach us about the second incident in the Gulf of Tonkin. My Junior year. It was the only time any teacher told us how the Vietnam War started. No teacher prior actually told us how Vietnam began, only that the war occurred.
Excellent video, I learned something! I would like to make a suggestion: Please have someone pay attention to the volume of your voice. Generally it's acceptable, but several times I had to raise the volume because your voice went "breathless", almost a whisper (often in context of the subject, as when one describes a violent scene, then begins describing the aftermath; it's not that you are running out of air). Sometimes I had to turn down the volume, because it seemed as if you leaned into the mic a few times, and then you leaned back. I adjusted the volume to compensate for both conditions, then as soon as possible readjusted for normal (based on the number on the volume display). I have no idea if you or one of your team will see this, hopefully someone does. Thanks!
Kashmir also used to be a tantric kingdom prior to the Mughal takeover, though the Śaivas held more political sway there than the Buddhists. Arguably, tantra can lend itself to post-feudalistic progressive ideologies as well, kind of like Daoist Anarchism as a counterpoint to the hierarchical and conservative Confucian ideology that heavily influences the CCP. I got my MA from a university that was cofounded by Allen Ginsberg and an exiled Tibetan Lama who had to flee over the Himalayas on horseback, and I've had a number of interactions with Tibetan Buddhists and learned quite a bit from them while maintaining my own religious identity. The ways Tibetans get portrayed in the west (meaning Europe and North America north of Mexico) is often distorted by racism and cultural misunderstanding.
And Canada has long had a much higher education achievement level than the US and last year we were #1 in the world in level of education of it's citizens.
If the king that got stabbed in the butt by a Viking while he was using the latrine isn’t on here, then I don’t know what historical events he could possibly be talking about.
Aside from the annexation of Tibet I learned about these in school. Of course I was in school in the 1970's and my history teacher was a hippie/student activist in college, and he wanted us to understand the human aspects of history.
Having not learned our lesson about Vietnam we repeated the exact same mistake in Iraq. Doctored and false evidence created to gain Congressional support led to disastrous results that plague our government's budget to this day mainly having to deal with 10's of thousands soldier's VA care for the rest of their lives. I've seen studies showing that by the time these soldiers die the cost of their care will far exceed the costs of the war and the rebuilding of Iraq. Among the many things the Bush Administration misestimated were the number of soldiers that would survive their wounds as compared to the last big military event, Vietnam. It's far cheaper to just bury a soldier than to have to give them 40 years of heath care after they are wounded
I did one semester of high school in the US and had the luck to be accept my American History teacher suggestion that I take the Advanced Program American History class. They teach about the Gulf of Tonkin incident in their books - it's well taught over there. The Washington Papers were a major historic event in American History. The country was prior to Papers being published divided in two opposing camps - the doves and the hawks. The division penetrated families and "heated debates" were commonplace during family meals (source: my AP AmHist. teacher own memories of the time). Soon after The Washington Post started publishing the documents smuggled out of the RAND Corp. by Daniel Elsberg, the division disolved as if there was no such thing as doves or hawks.
my great grandfather , after fighting on the western front, was sent to Archangel in 1919. frankly thats the only reason that i had ever heard of the western intervention and the white russians fight against the red russians. he was awarded the Military Medal for TWICE single handedly attacking enemy machine gun positions, and received a personal written commendation from brigadier general Ironside ( commander of the allied expeditionary force in russia ). i only wish that i had ever met the man but sadly he died before i was born.
Growing up ~8 miles from Port Chicago, it was something that was taught a LOT in our schools. There were plenty of older folk who refused to even drive the access road behind it. But, there is a point on confluence there (Where GPS Coordinates hit a x.000 by x.000 on the access road. It was an early thing to do with GPSs.) that was a fun one to hit and take pictures of.
I took AP American History and AP European History, and from Kindergarten through the end of my Master’s Degree I only once got past World War I and never got past World War II. Honestly, even getting past the Revolutionary War was rare. I’m not sure if not covering the Cold War is because there isn’t enough time to get to it or because it is deliberate to the agenda of people who create history class goals at a national level, but even if there isn’t much time I spent so much time covering the Civil War, surely it would be better to cover the Cold War ONE time even if it means I only get to do the Civil War 4 times instead of 5.
So many people put down this guy and this channel, but stuff like this is legitimately unknown by people like myself who had quite the poor education coming up in the south of the late 80's and 90's... through the 00's.
High School American history class in a nutshell: Starting the school year with the Civil War, yet never making it to the present before summer vacation.
Russia's involvement in WW2 played a major roll in the Allied victory. If they became a Democracy, no one knows how weak or powerful they would've become, and this could have changed the outcome of World War 2 completely. The Allies may have still been able to create the bomb, which most certainly would have been used on Germany until they surrendered, but without Russia spilling blood against the Nazi's, the Germans would have been able to direct their focus on England and then eventually the U.S. with Japan closing in on the West.
It all depended on how much the US helped them. We gave them Billions and in the late 20s we sent them Albert Kahn to ignite their entire industrial complex. We sent them thousands of tanks and guns. They also helped start WW2! So in a sense they helped start and barely helped finish the war.
@Rat-czar Would be interesting to watch what would've happened instead, and how history would've played out like on a screen where theoretical events takes place, and watch how the different scenarios would've played out.
@@Rat-czarThe US did not help the Soviets as much as they claimed they did. The US were latecomers and both wars and loved to take the credit for winning them when they sat out and let other countries do the bulk of the work had sacrificed the most. United States is a coward Nation and if they actually find a nation that was equal to them. They would fold like a paper towel.
Counterpoint, there wouldn't have been a Nazi Germany without the Soviet Union in the first place. White Russians were some of the Nazi's earliest financiers, along with British aristocrats and American industrialists - they were keenly interested in them for their anti-communism, at the time Germany had the potential of going either way. Aristocrats and big business-owners fear communism above anything else as it is the only existential threat to them, and so they fund fascists in turn. You see it time and time again. Western powers were friendly with Hitler till he took things too far for their sensibilities, before, they had supported him as a counter-balance to the Soviet Union.
When you meet someone better than yourself, turn your thoughts to becoming his equal. When you meet someone not as good as you are, look within and examine your own self.
As a Canadian schoolchild in the late '60s into the '70s, NONE of us ever heard or read about the deadly 1917 Halifax explosion, which basically leveled the town. I hadn't even but barely heard a whisper about this historic disaster until my early 30's. When I later learned the sheer scale of devastation and detail about the tragedy and its generations-long impact on that city, I was gobsmacked: how on Earth could "they" have kept something this important from me all that friggen time...? Which, horrifyingly, then prepared me better long after THAT for revelations about a long-running national disgrace, commonly referred to as the residential school system (which was still in operation decades after I graduated)...Again, they somehow missed that one in high school history class. I had to find out my countrymen buried children -- babies -- in unmarked graves from a goddamned news report. So, thanks for this video.
That just has to tell you how bad the people were treated in Russia, they were willing to sacrifice everything for change, even if the change doesnt seem better, just the hope of it carried them. The first big famine in russia was directly after world war 1 and also there was a civil war in Russia as explained in the video, but with the Bolshewiks and their partially free market (NEP) came prosperity, but then Stalin took it away and forced the farmers into the collectives where they were basically working for nothing, they had to give the whole harvest to the state and rarely got compensated for it. If you were protesting because logically you cant survive on just air and water, you would be labeled as "Kulak", a term for farmers who were said to be rich and basically enemies of the people. Stalin killed during this period of time more than 10 million of his own people, either by starving them to death if they played by the rules or just straight up liquidating them if they werent. This is what scares me of communism, the people in power will kill their own people for ideology, capitalism only kills for profit, so its more predictable.
The last one: The fact that the 14th army intervened in Vietnam to suppress the Communist insurgence is also ignored. This involved one division of this force and had soundly defeated Ho Chi Minh's forces. The arrival of the French, who basically said "Ok, we can take it from here" prevented the complete defeat of the insurgency and, as they say, the rest if history.
I love this. History is thought by the current locations government.... Im so glad i grew up with the internet. Many lies we were taught in school growing up.
My grandfather was a merchant marine during the allied arctic intervention in Russia after serving on the western front. He was Belgian, but received an American passport for joining the US army
The Dalai Lama has made Dharamshala, the hillside town in northern India, his headquarters since fleeing Tibet after a failed uprising against Chinese rule in 1959. Representatives of a Tibetan government-in-exile also reside there. The Dalai Lama formally relinquished his political and administrative powers in 2011 and handed his political responsibilities to the community’s elected leadership. But he has remained the spiritual leader of the Tibetan community. His followers see him as capable of uniting and mobilizing Tibetans inside and outside China. Over 100,000 Tibetan refugees live in India, Nepal and Bhutan, according to Tibetan organizations. Their number in India is estimated at around 85,000, while many have also moved to countries such as the U.S., Canada, Germany and Switzerland.
I recognized the thumbnail photo for this immediately. The Port Chicago Naval Magazine still exists; it's called the Concord Naval Weapons Station, now. I trained there in the eighties as a USMC longshoreman...loading munitions, of course. Naturally, the Port Chicago disaster was stressed in our training. The mutiny as well, by that time it was well understood that the lack of proper leadership was a major cause of the disaster, and the Navy's mistakes were dissected.
You know ... few people know that when some visitors from Eastern Europe told Karl Marx about the self proclaimed 'marxists" and explained their ideas, the German philosopher told them "if that's marxism, tell them I'm not a marxist."
fun fact: Karl Marx was booted from Russia. The only country that could accept him was England.. the birthplace of capitalism. Do you know where he's buried? In a cemetery with a bunch of rich and powerful people. You also have to pay to see his grave!
Went to school in the UK and was taught all about the Allied invasion of Russia, the annexation of Tibet and the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The only one we didn’t cover was the Port Chicago explosion.
So much has been omitted more than you could imagine actually i mean you really only hear history from the perspective of whoever is writing it so how can you say for certain what they write about is entirely accurate or not
I'm a veteran of the OEF. Your closing statement really struck home. To love your country and protect freedom is patriotic. To question your government is the best use of freedom that there is.
Gulf War 91 Here, and I'll 2nd that Completely!!!!!
The way I see it, war is an elimination of population. Did they really study this situation to make the conclusion & decision they finally made? Sure lots of money is always made with a war, but WHO really scores financially in the end?
Sure you are hahaha
To question your government based on reason, rationality, logic is one thing but most critiques of our government are based on ridiculous conspiracy theories. These conspiracy theories are doing more harm than actual conspiracies.
@@drstevej2527 Riiiiiiight, because the Government ALWAYS has your best interests in mind, huh. Tuskeegee Airmen, St Louis Mid 50's, San Francisco early 60's, the Jab that big Pharma just put out. You need to do some research
Does anyone else see parallels between the use of the second Gulf of Tonkin Incident to justify U.S. involvement in the Viet Nam and the "weapons of mass destruction" that were used to justify the war in Iraq after 9/11?
Don't conflate nukes with the entire WMD category. Iraq claimed to have weaponized anthrax, and the US knew that Saddam had a few tons left of the sarin and mustard gas we sold him in the 1980's. (Don't forget we DID find and destroy chemical weapons stockpiles, even if we don't like to admit most of those stockpiles were leftovers from our prior sales.)
You're not wrong in your idea, the nuclear fear-mongering was purely to sway public perception. (Both to stoke fear, and to overshadow our involvment with the very real chemical weapons stockpile.)
P.S. Check out Reagan era policies regarding Saddam & the Afghan "rebels" that became the Taliban - hindsight is 20/20 and the picture isn't pretty.
They did something similar with the lusitania in ww1.
False flags are kind of a thing.
Indeed: false flags have been a strategy for as long as there has been wars.
@@nunyadayumbusiness591the 2003 UN weapons inspectors, headed by Blix, made clear they beleved there were no WMD programmes - 21 years later there was nothing.
All the 5/2/03 presentation by Powell at UN was all BS. Even he knew it sounded BS - he looked embarrassed having to say this is what we have.
Was 911 a false flag? Of course not
@@kyuven Except that the sinking of Lusitania did NOT result in the US entering the war. That didn't happen until April 1917 in the wake of the Zimmermann telegram and Germany's attempt to coerce Mexico into invading the US in exchange for returning Texas and all other former Mexican territories.
With respect to Tibet, China's cultural claims are nonsense. China wanted control of Tibet because of its position as "the water tower of Asia". The Yangtse, the Yellow, the Ganges, the Anapurna, and the Mekong, as well as several other rivers, all have their headwaters on the Tibetan plateau.
That's what literally ever empire in history has done. It's never about cultural preservation....it's all just tactics. You can't judge one side without judging them all, otherwise you're just a victim of propaganda
You're right - of course for anyone in the lower class (particularly the untouchables) things are much better under China and the Dali Lama really just wants to bring back class based theocratic rule. So it's better as is, but it's not good.
It's kinda like cars are better than roads clogged with horse excrement, but cars certainly aren't good for the environment. For most Tibetans China is a less bad problem (but still a problem.)
@@TheGrinningViking The Dalai Lama is the head of a branch of Buddhism, not Hinduism, which is where the caste system is significant. Certainly, in Tibet, there were poor and relatively rich, but there was not the wide gap seen in many other countries, including China. Further, the rule from Lhasa was nominal. The Dalai Lama was neither the only Lama, nor did he have an extensive enforcement organization, and the difficulty of moving around the mountainous areas of Tibet meant that many villages were effectively independent. The northern plateau was sparsely populated and the biggest threat the few travelers to the region reported were bandits.
The truth is that there were rulers in the past who held larger territories which were later taken by China. One could make the argument that China should belong to the Mongols or to the Manchus.
Did toy forget they invaded and controlled "China" for a long time.....once you get the power, you take over your enemies...like I.s.ra.e.l is doing......bet you don't mind that hypocritical western trash....
@jameshorn270 Check the gini index of western countries....then come back.....yeah, far worse. Congratulations on being propagandized....
The first frame of every Simon video is the loudest sound ever recorded
EVEN IF you turn it down to start
Glad I'm not the only one thinking that
Fr tho. 😂
Agreed. It's not just startling, it can be painful if you forget to turn the volume down before you remember that Simon likes to be loud.
Like THX at the movies. "The audience is now deaf." 😂😮
Gulf of Tonkin should be taught. Perhaps the calls of "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq would not have succeeded if more people were aware of that incident.
I can confirm that the Gulf of Tonkin incident IS taught in UK schools - it was included in the syllabus of the History GCSE my daughter sat this summer.
So you know how many war were predicated on “that country sunk our ship” and “we found a secret letter of this country conspiring against us”. In total fabrications.
If you really thought it out, you probably would not want to be in the world where we never went. I don't mean Tonkin.
@@richardgale1287 not the target audience, though.
Well not for the first time back in 1965 bec WW2 also started with a fake provocation: Radio Gleiwitz Incident, few months later the soviets also had their Tonkin Incident: they bombarded a fortress northwest of LeninGrad and blamed the Finns for it!
I have known about Port Chicago since I was a small child. I visited the site with my father. He was in High School in Richmond CA, about 27 miles from the site. He saw the flash and the fireball. Seconds later, the entire house was shaken. The windows rattled in their frames. Many people thought the Japanese were attacking. They didn't know what to do. Only the Halifax and Texas City explosions rivaled Port Chicago. All were terrible disasters.
My grandfather's family had a farm in Port Chicago but we lived in Antioch. For those that don't know, the San Joaquin & Sacramento rivers merge In Antioch and flow West past Pittsburgh and Port Chicago before carving in to the bay at Benicia/Mare Island. The geography is odd with flat land dotted by mountains, I could see Mt. Diablo from my house. There were many industries on the south side of the river. The military used the river too. Mare Island was a Navy repair base. The Navy's mothball fleet is on the shallow North side of the river. There are many Navy installations in the 3 bays and the river is important to shipping.
Yeah. Seems to be a regional thing. The Port Chicago Disaster wasn't something kept from us in any way. I grew up in Concord. I first heard about it in elementary school.
It was the Americans attacking and, of course, black men paid the price.
Texas City was also to the place of one of the "most successful" serial killers in American history who operated over a 40 year period Clyde Hedrick. Texas City became known as "the Killing Fields" due to all the women he murdered Who is thought to have raped and murdered up to 80-100 women before being caught. Which only happened because his mother had died, and she lied to the police over that entire period giving her son an "alibi" even though she knew what he was doing. He served only 8 years of a 20 year sentence, and now resides at home under "house arrest". Being considered to be "too old" to ever be a threat again. American justice at work. Personally, if I were one of the fathers of a daughter he murdered, I would be very happy he was released from prison, and now resided at home and couldn't leave it. Sorry, I'm not Jesus.
@@occamsrazor1285 I grew up in the East Bay and I recall hearing about it as well as early as Junior High School...
0:50 - Chapter 1 - When the allies invaded russia
6:15 - Chapter 2 - The port chicago disaster
10:50 - Chapter 3 - Chinese annexation of tibet
13:40 - Chapter 4 - Gulf of tonkin incident
I knew about your chapter citations before I was old enough to vote. The USA invaded Russia from the East. Everyone knows about the Chicago port disaster as we do the PRC annexation of Tibet as well as the Tonkin incident. For the last, I was backpacking in Philmont New Mexico as military aircraft were scrambled for practice.
10:09 ALLIES, not just US. It was multinational "invasion" of Russia. And it was 2 areas, Vladivostok and archangel
I think #1 is fairly well known, at least among people with more than passing awareness of WW1. But I bet it was the kind of thing everyone tried to forget during the Cold War.
I don't think #2 is well known. I think non-combat military history tends to be pretty obscure, especially since it seems to have been an accident. Contrast it to the Black Tom explosion in WW1, which IIRC was sabotage and as a result is better known.
#3 I think the Chinese annexation of Tibet is something most people are aware of, but not the circumstances. Tibetan Buddhists run a pretty effective PR campaign.
#4 this isn't learned in school primarily because American schools rarely have time at the end of the semester to study post-WW2 history. It's also both lost int he shuffle of larger issues about the Vietnam War and confusion over the fact that there were two incidents - one real and one mistaken. Even without the second incident I suspect something would have happened that would have drawn the USA into a more active role in the Vietnam War. In any case, the more important thing is not whether the second attack really occurred, but rather Congress essentially abdicating their responsibility and giving the president a blank check. Failure to formally declare war during the Korean War and again during the Vietnam War set and cemented a troublesome precedent.
The Gulf of Tonkin is surprisingly well covered in history classes.
I think if Simon wanted to put chapters in his videos, he would have done it. I don't know why you people insist on wasting your time posting chapters.
Bringing up the Dalai lama makes me realize we need a Biographics episode about the current individual, and the title overall.
Of all of Ken Burns' documentaries, the one that I learned the most from was his documentary on Vietnam - even more than his documentary on the US Civil War. I encourage everyone, no matter your nationality, to watch it, as the subject of Vietnam covered several decades, and involved many foreign powers - including France and England. And, it was much, much more complex than what we have seen with Hippies and helicopters. In the end, my main takeaway from it is that America was more or less tricked into getting and staying involved with Vietnam, and it was America's hubris that escalated it (as well as the military-industrial complex).
On a side note, there is another infamous fake naval battle that America was also involved in. None other than L. Ron Hubbard himself (of Scientology fame) was a naval officer in the US Navy during WWII. He was the captain of a destroyer (if I remember correctly). For two days, he had his crew engaged in a fierce battle with a submarine. Afterwards, it was determined that there was no actual submarine, and that Hubbard had fabricated the whole thing.
@@Justin.Martyr Justin; I never want to meet you nor any member of your family. My ancestors & family fought in America's wars from Colonial times to Iraq.
Ken Burns' The Vietnam War, is the definitive documentary on the subject, and I've seen them all, believe me. My father died in Vietnam.
100% wrong on Vietnam. We stopped the expansion of communism anywhere else in Asia by showing the Russians how dearly we would sell any of our allies. After that they never dared try again.
😂😂😂😂 that L ron but is hilarious!😂😂😂😂
@@jjt1881Your father is a hero. I’m very sorry for your loss. I lost a few friends in Vietnam. But my best friend who is also a nurse who served shared many horrible stories and suffered from the effects of Agent Orange. I was grateful that she served as my maid of honor. Never forget!
An interesting footnote to the Gulf of Tonkin Incident: the ships involved were part of the Seventh Fleet, Fifth Carrier Division. The flagship was the USS Bon Homme Richard, headed by then-Cmdr. George Morrison, which was then north of Vietnam. He gave the order for ships escorting the USS Ticonderoga to enter the Gulf of Tonkin.
George Morrison was the father of Jim Morrison, lead singer of The Doors.
I was about to make a stupid joke like "he was also a great singer in The Doors" to be totally undone by actual history 😂👍
You will coincidentally find that many prominent members of the counterculture movement were, in fact the children of prominent military and political figures.
There is a significant amount of evidence to suggest that the hippie/counterculture movement in the United States was a false flag to demonize the antiwar movement.
Did he have a house in New Orleans?
Gives the phrase, "Cmon baby, light my fire!", a whole new meaning.
Guess he wanted to break on through to the other side, huh?
Calling it “the abdication of Tsar Nicholas II” is to give it a far more peaceful description than it really was…
It was kind of peaceful, compared to what happened after the October revolution
Also, the great Simon left out one other faction during the Russian civil war which I was taught about in high school. The Greens. No direct relation to any of Europe's Green Parties today, rather it was just a whole bunch of farmers who were fed up with all of the fighting from all sides.
Kinda like trump "peacefully leaving power on Jan 20th"...
Well... there was the abdication of Nicolae Ceausescu and wife, the ruling Comstockist dictators of communist Romania.
He did abdicate.
Really important historical episodes that should be taught and talked about more. Thank you.
I learned about the Halifax explosion in school because I’m from MA and Halifax sends Boston a Christmas tree every year as a symbol of gratitude for all the first responders and aid that Boston sent in the immediate aftermath.
Yup. Nova Scotians remember with gratitude, and you count on that tree til the end of time. It's actually a big deal locally when the tree is selected.
this video was not about that explosion.
I learned about the Halifax explosion when I was married to someone from Dartmouth, NS. We go a fascinating book on the disaster one year.
Fascinating observations, but again, this video was not about the Halifax explosion, but about the "Port of Chicago" explosion in San Francisco, that killed many Black US Navy servicemen. If you watch and listen, you may learn about something you didn't know about!
MA?
The wounded Marine being bandaged alongside the wall, his name is David Crum. The picture was taken during the battle of Hue in the midst of the Viet Cong's Tet Offensive of 1968. He survived the war and would heed a call to the ministry.
This untold history theme could easily be its own series.
Agreed!
Every time you smile at someone, it is an action of love, a gift to that person, a beautiful thing.
I remember doing an essay on the gulf of tonkin for my history class in 85,everyone was surprised at the false information
Yeah, I was a little surprised that one was considered 'hidden,' ....I suppose it musta been fresher in our teachers' minds back then.
@@OllamhDrab Theres still people today that believe Iraq was chiefly responsible for the 9/11. People will always believe the propaganda, and many times even in the face of the truth.
Our first cousin, twice removed, was involved in the British part of the 'intervention' in Russia.
He used to tell a story about traveling in civvies, on a civilian ship, but toting a rifle.
@@OllamhDrab100%. As of 25 years ago the College Board had that incident included in the curriculum for the AP History exam. I don’t know if that’s still the case, but because of how important the incident was to the start of the Vietnam War (or the US involvement anyway) there is at least one generation of American students who were taught all about it in school. That said, I can see why Simon may have included this in his list having never attended American schools and probably not hearing about it back in England.
Did your essay find an oil platform/s involved in the small gun ship raids?
I had a professor who always asserted the the Cold War started in 1917, because of the invasion of Russia. Stalin in particular never forgot it, which is why there was so much distrust between the USSR and the Western powers in later decades, despite being on the same side during WWII.
Never heard of Port Chicago...i thought the largest explosion before the nuclear age was in Halifax. Wow!
I think Halifax was a more powerful explosion. It certainly had more casualties and property damage. There was another explosion in Texas City Texas (near Galveston) in 1947 that killed 581 people.
The fact that most of the casualties in Port Chicago were sailors, and black sailors at that, kept it from being talked about as widely as the other disasters.
1944. Before the nuclear age.
The Halifax Explosion occurred in [Halifax](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_(former_city)), Nova Scotia, Canada, on the morning of December 6, 1917. SS Mont-Blanc, a French cargo ship fully loaded with wartime explosives, was involved in a collision with the Norwegian vessel SS Imo in the Narrows, a strait connecting the upper Halifax Harbour to Bedford Basin. Approximately twenty minutes later, a fire on board the French ship ignited her explosive cargo, causing a cataclysmic explosion that devastated the Richmond District of Halifax. Approximately 2,000 people were killed by debris, fires, and collapsed buildings, and it is estimated that nearly 9,000 others were injured. The blast was the largest man-made explosion prior to the development of nuclear weapons, with an equivalent force of roughly 2.9 kilotons of TNT. In a meeting of the Royal Society of Canada in May 1918, Dalhousie University's Professor Howard L. Bronson estimated the blast at some 2400 metric tons of high explosive.
Halifax is still the largest non-nuclear explosion in history. Estimated yield of 2.9kt.
To see just how big it was... it was the equivalent of 250 MOABs going off at once. Port Chicago was 1.9kt. Beirut was 0.8kt. Tianjin 0.3kt.
Little Boy was roughly 15kt.
Tunguska, perhaps?
I love these videos; they’re always so interesting! 😮
The only one I wasn't aware of was the Port Chicago incident, which is pulled up in another tab to be researched shortly. I blame the school systems for not sharing that information with us. I lived in East Tennessee and Wisconsin and the first time I saw the Pacific Ocean was in 2006 when I went to Seattle for NCO training (back then it was PLDC) course. I went to LA once for 2 days between LA, San Diego, and Las Vegas for a short vacation. Anything I learned about was either an accident I read further into (the allied invasion of Russia). This was never something I ran across before, so thanks for pointing it out. Speaking about how important it was to civil rights and a push towards equality. I was never taught about the 1921 Tulsa Massacre, but happened to see it somewhere and started reading into it. It is a required topic in history class throughout Oklahoma, but not nation wide.
The other three are well documented but I who thought I was very knowledgeable about history had never heard of the Chicago port explosion and it's implications for civil rights.
I'm not American so perhaps I can be forgiven.
@@SirAntoniousBlock Don't worry, your not alone, But I find it interesting (and not really surprised) that the P.O.S. was a Democrat, and this wasn't the only racist thing he did = en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Rankin
Gulf of Tonkin Incident is pretty well known, although maybe not taught in schools, but still well aware to anyone remotely versed in the Vietnam War.
But honestly the history of US faking false flag incidents goes back well further than that, with the USS Maine incident.
Or more modern with WMDS in Iraq
don't forget 9/11 or the most recent invasion of israel by hamas
Yeah I was gonna say, most people know this although I don't remember if it was taught in school as it's been over 2 decades lol.
@@muchopreguntas The WMD's was a lie told by Tony Blair and the UK government.
Even worse, the only PATRIOTIC war was the revolutionary war. If you look at it objectively the U.S.A has been the "Red Coats" in every conflict transforming Viet Cong fighters into their own island's FOUNDING FATHERS.
In my opinion, only wars where "liberated" or "conquered" people won't return the favor the second they can, are ones that REQUIRED guerilla tactics to win. Simply put, because you are actually suffering under their rule. So if you, YOURSELF are NOT WILLING to AT ANY MOMENT DIE for it. Then it isn't important enough to fight over. Then you probably shouldn't vote or tell someone to do it because it will only ever blow up in your face.
So in consequence you are forced into a imperial state the second you raise the first false flag. The reason for this is because you have to preserve your own life at any cost. The type of media that comes of out that, from IRON WALL REGIMES to 1770 East cost. It's almost impossible to lie to the fighting force about why their dying unless they earn something. Like the British Monarchy sailing over to, basically, uncharted lands to fight a unknown enemy that looks like the general population.
No one ever taught you that the reason we failed Iraq, Afghanistan, chechia, Turkmenistan ,gulf war, Vietnam war, shit we caused with the UN in plenty of African and south American countries. All of which we eventually lost our "Substantial foothold" to literally economic decay from using 1.5 million to kill a 12year old with a Molotov cocktail.
Thank you for discussing Tibet 🙏
Australian forces also participated in the intervention, notably at Archangel and Murmansk. See the slouch hats in the photo at 4:00.The only two Victoria Crosses awarded to British and Dominion forces in the campaign were awarded to Australian servicemen: Corporal Arthur Sullivan and Sergeant Samuel Pearse.
Us Canadians were in Vladivostok sitting on our asses 😅
@@TheAmbex They also serve who only sit on their asses.
Pretty bizarre place to find yourself in as an Australian I bet.
Boring
Your name is literally the most generic name imaginable. Youre a default starter character. More bland than plain white bread. The only emotion you illicit is the need to yawn. Never call another thing boring for the rest of your existence. @justinsmith4562
When I was in high school 21 to 24 years ago, three were definitely taught in my history class: Allied involvement in the Russian Civil War was mentioned, the Chinese annexation of Tibet was also taught, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident absolutely was taught.
The Port Chicago disaster was not.
The US education system is always more willing to talk about what other countries have done vs what it’s own country has done in relation to the social issues from the past are still relevant today and that wouldn’t fit the narrative of “We’re the best, we do nothing wrong and everything is fine, so shut up about the past!” Sure, we get taught stuff we’ve done wrong and then attempted to change, but can’t emphasize it too much in case people notice the changes haven’t really been what they needed to be. (Yes, I have a lot of opinions lol)
Same here, 80s in the US.
Similarly the Russian civil war (including allied troops) and Gulf of Tonkin were covered in UK GCSE history 20 years ago (ages 14-16 yrs old). Not sure about Tibet and Port Chicago
I’d like to point out that my American education in the 90s did mention that the gulf of Tonkin incident “may” not have been what it seemed.
I don't remember that incident ever being mentioned in school in the last 1990's/early 2000's, but I definitely remember learning about the Pentagon Papers.
The Port Chicago story is one well-known to me. I was in the U.S. Navy between 1981-1985. In 83 I was stationed on an ammo ship (USS Shasta AE-33) that was home ported out of Port Chicago (*out of,* it never stayed longer than to on-load or off-load ammo and then it would leave). The stories surrounding the event were well-known to all of us, including the story (reportedly documented by the local papers at the time), of a huge ship*s anchor that ended up in someone*s back yard due to the blast!
Crazy. I grew up in Pittsburg/Antioch and never heard about this
I also was homeported in Port Chicago in 1973-74, on the old USS Pyro. Nobody liked talking about the explosion. I only learned about the mutiny much later. It was a spooky place, especially at night with the fog and mist.
@@kenkahre9262 The only thing I really remember was the regulation about not running on base. It could get you shot!
The story of the Port Chicago was the basis of Mutiny, a made-for-television movie by James S. "Jim" Henerson and directed by Kevin Hooks, which included Morgan Freeman as one of three executive producers. Starring Michael Jai White, Duane Martin and David Ramsey as three fictional Navy seamen, the film aired on NBC on March 28 1999.
when I was a 5-8 year old from 1965-68 singing the hymn How Great Thou Art in the Baptist church on Long Island that I attended with my parents every Sunday, I didn't realize at the time that the verse "I hear the rolling thunder" had inspired the naming of the Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign in North Vietnam.
You're right about Tibet. I never known, though I should have suspected, that the monks were "re-educated".
Just like Uyghurs are being sent in masses to "re-education facilities" in China for having their own culture and religion 😭
My father was a Vietnam vet and he fully supported the Second Gulf War and I told him then that we were looking at a second Vietnam. He argued with me and I asked him if he saw the parallels. It's all there, the fabricated reason for us to go in, the vaguely defined objectives, the troop surges and the withdraw. I was in Desert Shield/Storm and I saw first hand the Iraqi forces, so i knew it wouldn't be as bad as Vietnam but bad none the less. Fortunately my dad passed before it was over.
I suspect that was the entire point. Cheney and Rumsfeld and the other Nixonites wanted another shot at Vietnam, only this time without those damn hippies in the way. They got it -- and guess what? They bungled it all over again.
No, Afghanistan was the “second vietnam”. Legitimate reason to go in aside, the U.S. should’ve stayed there and been a security force. Instead the pullout led to service members killed, the taliban took over and now is harboring/ training terrorists and the U.S./ U.N. will probably have to go back.
@@treydezellem27 Both Iraq and Afghanistan were arguably Vietnamesque conflicts in that they were dominated by asymmetric/guerilla warfare and involved populations that had been colonized before and Really Didn't Like It. And both seemed to teach the same essential lesson: it doesn't matter how much time, effort, money and technology you throw into nationbuilding. If institutions and structures don't come from the people themselves, they won't survive.
Yes, the Afghanistan pullout was humiliating, and there's plenty of blame to go around between both the Trump and Biden administrations for that blunder. But I genuinely doubt it would've ended any other way. We were there for *twenty years.* Exactly what do you think four more would have accomplished?
@@Brasswatchman well, you would have even more heroin in the US if it continued :)
@@treydezellem27 You can't fight people willing to blow themselves up. You can't fight for people who will not fight for themselves. You can't send any more troops into places where this will happen. We should never be in the nation building business. Not good for our bottom line as a country.
6:10 thats kinda rich coming from Churchill 😅
I can see what he means but russia has always had a massive peasant population and communism is for peasants.
8:55 The Texas City disaster is well remembered, why is the Port Chicago disaster forgotten?
I really appreciate these vids - thank you. I'm surprised how many folks just have no idea bout the Gulf of Tonkin incident, Tibet or the ugly international complications of the Russian revolution.
The main reason I didn't know about it is I am a Baby Boomer, and was maybe 10 yo at that time. For some reason it seems the Tonkin Gulf Incident
never seemed to come around to me. I'm not surprised, though, because Johnson was a dirtbag.
I knew about the Russian expeditions from WInston Churchill's book, "The Unknown War."
I'll be 70 in a very few days and I either learned about, in public school, every single event mentioned in this video and/or lived through them. I find it sad that education has declined to its current level of ignorance.
I only know about some of these because my parents love Tibetan buddhism and taught me about it since very young. I live in a post communist country and learned a lot through people's experiences during totalitariam regime. The fear of speaking your mind really runs deep past those times because people were encouraged to spy on each other and report everything and anything
i find your statement incredibly ignorant. This current generation is the smartest and most well prepared generation ever to exist - I guarantee you we are learning history, math, science, and literature at a level you couldnt even conceive of when you were our age.
Most of the things we learn in public school did not even exist back when you were in school. Were you taking multi variable calculus or organic chemistry as a high school junior? I think not. kindly keep your ego to yourself
@@oliverv2848 Amusing but yet so sad.
I have nothing against this being taught in schools. We can only Learn from our mistakes in order not to repeat them. Thank you.
When I was a kid in the 90s, people were well aware of Chinese brutal occupation of Tibet. But no one, especially the American media, talks about Tibet anymore. The propaganda minster of the CCP did a wonderful job in getting Americans to forget about it.
They have all gotten a lot of funding from the ccp as well as the universities and unions. Hell even most of congress rep and especially dems get ccp funding. Trump really truly was the first to tell them to go fuck themselves and start rooting out that kind of corruption.
What will it take to right this wrong?
That's what happens when you invest billions in american politicians and media
@@bluegold1026 you have to kill the beast where it stands first and foremost stop trading with China, we are the reason for their success and we should be the downfall.
Watch the movie Seven Years in Tibet with Brat Pitt. The ending of the movie says a lot.
Fun fact. The false flag Gulf of Tonkin Incident, the US Navy senior Vietnam commander was named George Morrison.
A few years later his son Jim and his band The Doors would go onto to be one of the biggest names in the 60’s hippie movement.
I had to fact-check that. It is true, very curious. I bet Jim had serious fights with his dad. Especially if he knew it about the flag attack.
@@daanlambrecht8398 read Weird Scenes From Inside the Canyon by David McGowan, there’s all kinds of strange connections between 60’s music and the military and intelligence agencies.
@@daanlambrecht8398 They didn't speak. Dad hardly knew what his son was doing. And NOBODY but Commander Herrick, a few pilots, and Bob MacNamara knew the second attack didn't actually happen. The American public didn't learn the truth about the GOT incident for decades.
Tonkin wasn't a false flag. On the first day, Maddox was on a routine DeSoto (recon) patrol at the same time that the South VN were executing an OPPLAN 34-A (SOG/CIA) raid to infiltrate SVN spies into the North. The North VN, thinking Maddox was part of the raid, sent patrol boats to investigate. Maddox fired warning shots. (Note: we fired first.) Tico's jets blew up a patrol boat. The NVN retreated. At a White House meeting of national security advisors, LBJ ranted about the "unprovoked" attack. CIA chief told LBJ that the North was probably reacting defensively to our OPPLAN 34-A raid. But no one listened to him.
Second "attack." Maddox was joined by Turner Joy and ordered to go back to demonstrate US resolve. The sonarman requested to man the 5-inch gun, and a rookie took the sonar station. Quickly, sonar reported a torpedo. He reported many torpedos that night. Our ships fired a thousand shells at anything that might be a target. After the war, it was revealed that the North VN had no vessels in the water that night.
Flying CAP overhead, Squadron Commander James Stockdale had the best seat in the house. Decades later, he wrote that he saw nothing but calm seas and American firepower.
Maddox's Cdr Herrick reported the attack when it happened, but later that night sent another message saying that no one saw any enemy and he doubted an attack had occurred. At the White House, SecDef Bob MacNamara saw the message, but did not tell President Johnson about it--and off to war we went.
Proud to hear Seabees stood up!! Hoo-Rah Seabees!!! 🐝
The actions in Tibet should not be labeled as “highly debated” we live in a western society and we can and should be openly saying that what’s going on in Tibet is a complete humanitarian crises imposed by a Chinese regime that have slaughtered a multitude of the most peaceful people spanning generations
Your worst enemy cannot harm you as much as your own unguarded thoughts.
Because "You, yourself" are your best friend & worst enemy.
Churchill tried again at the end of WWII. After the defeat of the Third Reich, he wanted the allies to turn against the Soviet Union and erase it from existence once and for all. The war weary allies were, understandably, not too keen on the idea, so Churchill had to accept failure in that endeavor for a second time.
The nations of the West were war weary and I do not think our people could have had the heart to attack the USSR.
should have struck in 1946 with atomic bombs. ivan hadn't stolen the plans for them yet.
Of course US rejected that idea, they'd have to carry UK on their back once again
Churchill was such a POS. The Red Army lost millions in that war and played the most significant role in the defeat of Germany. I don't think the Allies would have been able to defeat the USSR, but the fact that Churchill wanted to try is so gross. Then again, what else can we expect from a man who thought it morally acceptable to intentionally starve tens of millions.
@@ayantuinthenow that's not true, they were an absolute mess. The US gave them THOUSANDS of tanks and 8 Billion dollars just so that they could stand against Germany. Stalin said himself they wouldn't have defeated the Germans if they didn't have the help of the Americans. The US government also sent over professionals to ignite their war production. They also simply could not compete logistically with the US. General Patton also wanted to steamroll the USSR because he saw how much of an issue they could cause.
The allied invasion and the war between the "Whites" and Bolshewiks should really be taught more 🤷🏻♀️
You can actually find a lot of books about it, if you were raised at the library. School can teach you a lot, but the library is a necessary part of education.
Yeah I kind of think maybe I might have slightly heard about it a little bit once but I don't even know if I ever heard about it ever
Yeah. And what happened in Finland from 1917.
Educators complain that they can't cover everything because their are social issues that are more important & that there is not enough time to teach a comprehensive World History. Does that make sense?
As with most nations, history is skewed to your current country's perspective. It's up to us, as humans with curious brains, to go looking for what school didn't teach us. It's all out there. And it's all fascinating. So much unknown to be known.❤🧠
All I remember being taught in school is WW2 (with a tiny bit of WW1), but only in Europe so wasn't even aware of what happened in the rest of the world. I understand they couldn't teach me everything but I didn't need 3 straight years of nothing but 'the UK saved the world by standing up to Hitler' (and my friends who did History at GCSE and A level also focused on WW2). I'm so grateful I now have access to so much information so can teach myself.
I recommend to you "The unknown war" (1978) series narrated by Bert Lancaster
I'm way older than you (GCSEs were being phased in as I was leaving school) but the history lessons went from the Romans to 1066, slipped in a bit of Napoleon then did what they called Modern History which started in 1870 and the rise of Germany under Bismark, a lot about both world wars with mention of Atlantic and Pacific action, the Russian revolution, the General Strike and the Great Depression, the second rise of Germany and the Chinese revolution and touched on the cold War and the Cuban Missile Crisis. And all of that was for a CSE! When I helped my daughter with her history homework, I knew more detail than she had in her reference materials, and had to prove it to her. Maybe they taught so much more back then because we were closer to it 😊
Glad you included the Port Chicago Disaster.
How did those dishonorable discharges effect their economic opportunities, and that of their descendants?
@@multipletanksyndrome Well, considering the P.O.S. politician was a Democrat (no surprise there), and this wasn't his only foray into rampant racism, they still managed to convince Black American's to vote for them, and look how that turned out.
These type of videos always make me feel better about the quality of the Irish educational system. As these all things we learnt about.
I hate these stupid clickbait/condescending titles.
10 things you didnt know about:
1. Water.
@@omnitravisI know what you mean it feels like most of them need to have (if you’re only vaguely familiar with the subject) after this claim
@omnitravis we all do, but when it comes to these historical events, how else are you gonna get people click on it and learn some new stuff that their school refuses to teach? When it comes to educational videos, I can see why.
@@FrenzyFranzl maybe you were homeschooled, or just didnt pay attention, but all of this was taught in public school.
@omnitravis not in my school. I'm the one who pay attention the most. So I don't know what you are on. Yet again, school is taught differently around America and in different states
My great grandpa was sent to Russia during WW1. He lived until 2006 and was 107 years old.
10:50 -100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 social credit points
May I recommend you cover the absolute best case of selective memory loss in history, which is the story of the English Armada. I’m sure you have heard of the Spanish Armada and Spains spectacular defeat trying to invade England in 1588, but you will be surprised (surely by design) to learn about how, just one year later, the English made an almost identical attempt to invade Spain, and suffered an almost identical defeat. We’re talking about 10-20 THOUSAND dead English sailors and soldiers who are not even acknowledged in their own countries curriculum even though it was the single largest loss of English lives in war until World War I. Mustn’t have been a ‘polite’ thing to discuss.
Actually, I think this is still given a short footnote in US World History in high school.
I read about this my sophomore year in high school
We literally have a whole museum dedicated to defeating the Spanish armada down in Portsmouth. But this is the first I've ever heard of Britain losing their own navy.
I only found out about this a few years ago.
When people are like each other they tend to like each other.
Interestingly enough, in Michigan did learn about that the American forces involved in the Russian civil war. This is because I think around 2/3rds of the soldiers in the (US) expeditionary force were from Michigan, with many others coming from other Great Lakes states. Chosen because of the cold climate these states have. They were nicknamed the polar bears or the polar bear regiment. But basically we were taught that the regiment was sent at the request of France and the UK to secure armaments the allies had given/sold the Russians (to keep them out of the hands of Germans and then communists) and to help "rescue" the Czechoslovak Legion. Neither of these were accomplished (arms had already been taken by the communists by the time the forces arrived) and the men weren't given clear communication what they were supposed to be doing. There were protests in Michigan wanting their loved ones to return.
The thing I never knew about the revolution in Russia is that the initial revolution was completely bottom up. It wasn’t the result of some great Bolshevik plan, it started as a few soldiers not following orders to attack civilians. The mutinous soldiers expected to be in front of a firing squad but again and again individuals (the people running the trains had a big impact) made small decisions that snowballed into the collapse of the Czarist government. Lenin was taken completely by surprise at first.
The 1985 MOVE bombing is an event basically no one knows about and deserves a place in a video.
The police threw fire bombs from a helicopter on a neighborhood in Philadelphia. In 1985. Regardless of your thoughts on the reasons behind the event, fire bombs from helicopters is something that seems important to learn about in the drone era.
It remind me what Syria have done … weird their for Syria it’s a war crime but for USA police it’s just another day …
Or the whole Algiers Motel Massacre. Another conveniently forgotten piece of History.
I knew about it. It was directly parodied in Frank Miller's and David Mazzuchelli's classic "Year One" Batman story.
@@Echristoffe They did it ONCE, in Philly, and everybody yelled at them for doing it.
While the bombing was reckless and resulted in tragedy, the police did not drop bombs on "a neighborhood," they dropped two very small bombs on a fortified pillbox that MOVE had illegally built on the roof of their building and from which they were waging a pitched gun battle with police, including the use of illegal machine guns. The bombs hit a gasoline generator and it was gasoline from that fire that caused the fire to burn out of control and spread to neighboring buildings.
I am a history professor and have taught both high school on-level classes as well as AP classes. We discuss the Gulf of Tonkin Incident and the Allied invasion of Russia. Gulf of Tonkin Incident in particular is absolutely important as it set off the Vietnam War.
My father served in the Navy during WWII and he told me about the Port Chicago explosion and the following mutiny of Black sailors. This is one of those tragedies that slipped down the memory hole because the U.S. didn't want to face how racism existed during WWII.
It should not be forgotten as about half of the roughly 700 black servicemen who died in WW2 died in the Chicago explosion.
Refreshing to see no AI footage in this one
Did the China map at 17:20 include Taiwan? Really, we doing that?
Do you mean 11:01? And it's not entirely the same colour. And feck you for making me scroll through the video and learn where Taiwan is. Taiwanese egg council creep.
I saw it at like 11:02, but yeah!!! What the actual f*ck??!!
Sort of. It's a lighter shade of green just like that mountain region to the south who name escapes me a the moment. Anyway, it's intended to highlight "disputed" land. However, Any rational person knows Taiwan is not a disputed region, and is a sovereign nation.
cope
This IS, after all, a Google owned forum... just saying. 🤦🏼♂️
Wonderful historical coverage episode
I always thought the Whites were royalists. I'm sure there was a bunch of them but it seems that simply opposing the Reds was enough.
Love all of your content! Great stuff!
The Port Chicago disaster is an excellent example of how the abuse of human beings might benefit a limited group of people, but that, as a whole, it will hurt humanity far more than it could help.
I had a single US history teacher teach us about the second incident in the Gulf of Tonkin. My Junior year. It was the only time any teacher told us how the Vietnam War started. No teacher prior actually told us how Vietnam began, only that the war occurred.
Excellent video, I learned something! I would like to make a suggestion:
Please have someone pay attention to the volume of your voice. Generally it's acceptable, but several times I had to raise the volume because your voice went "breathless", almost a whisper (often in context of the subject, as when one describes a violent scene, then begins describing the aftermath; it's not that you are running out of air).
Sometimes I had to turn down the volume, because it seemed as if you leaned into the mic a few times, and then you leaned back.
I adjusted the volume to compensate for both conditions, then as soon as possible readjusted for normal (based on the number on the volume display).
I have no idea if you or one of your team will see this, hopefully someone does.
Thanks!
Kashmir also used to be a tantric kingdom prior to the Mughal takeover, though the Śaivas held more political sway there than the Buddhists. Arguably, tantra can lend itself to post-feudalistic progressive ideologies as well, kind of like Daoist Anarchism as a counterpoint to the hierarchical and conservative Confucian ideology that heavily influences the CCP.
I got my MA from a university that was cofounded by Allen Ginsberg and an exiled Tibetan Lama who had to flee over the Himalayas on horseback, and I've had a number of interactions with Tibetan Buddhists and learned quite a bit from them while maintaining my own religious identity. The ways Tibetans get portrayed in the west (meaning Europe and North America north of Mexico) is often distorted by racism and cultural misunderstanding.
I'm curious, what are some of the most profound or helpful things that they have taught you? Good luck on your path, pal!
Very nice video, Simon!
i am not sure what school you went to , but we where taught all of this here in Canada
And Canada has long had a much higher education achievement level than the US and last year we were #1 in the world in level of education of it's citizens.
Weren't taught any of this in my country 🤷♀️
@@brendamcdonall5798 Lol that's a straight up cap. It's good but nowhere near #1.
Thank you for discussing the Port Chicago accident. I have been to the accident site five times and they are still finding debris from the explosion.
If the king that got stabbed in the butt by a Viking while he was using the latrine isn’t on here, then I don’t know what historical events he could possibly be talking about.
Except he probably didn't.
Aside from the annexation of Tibet I learned about these in school. Of course I was in school in the 1970's and my history teacher was a hippie/student activist in college, and he wanted us to understand the human aspects of history.
Having not learned our lesson about Vietnam we repeated the exact same mistake in Iraq. Doctored and false evidence created to gain Congressional support led to disastrous results that plague our government's budget to this day mainly having to deal with 10's of thousands soldier's VA care for the rest of their lives. I've seen studies showing that by the time these soldiers die the cost of their care will far exceed the costs of the war and the rebuilding of Iraq. Among the many things the Bush Administration misestimated were the number of soldiers that would survive their wounds as compared to the last big military event, Vietnam. It's far cheaper to just bury a soldier than to have to give them 40 years of heath care after they are wounded
Don't forget the gulf war happened but left Saddam still in power anyway.
I did one semester of high school in the US and had the luck to be accept my American History teacher suggestion that I take the Advanced Program American History class. They teach about the Gulf of Tonkin incident in their books - it's well taught over there. The Washington Papers were a major historic event in American History. The country was prior to Papers being published divided in two opposing camps - the doves and the hawks. The division penetrated families and "heated debates" were commonplace during family meals (source: my AP AmHist. teacher own memories of the time). Soon after The Washington Post started publishing the documents smuggled out of the RAND Corp. by Daniel Elsberg, the division disolved as if there was no such thing as doves or hawks.
my great grandfather , after fighting on the western front, was sent to Archangel in 1919. frankly thats the only reason that i had ever heard of the western intervention and the white russians fight against the red russians. he was awarded the Military Medal for TWICE single handedly attacking enemy machine gun positions, and received a personal written commendation from brigadier general Ironside ( commander of the allied expeditionary force in russia ). i only wish that i had ever met the man but sadly he died before i was born.
So your grandfather was good in killing russians after Russia support US independence against Britain ? And you are proud of it?
Growing up ~8 miles from Port Chicago, it was something that was taught a LOT in our schools. There were plenty of older folk who refused to even drive the access road behind it. But, there is a point on confluence there (Where GPS Coordinates hit a x.000 by x.000 on the access road. It was an early thing to do with GPSs.) that was a fun one to hit and take pictures of.
I thought the subjugation of Tibet and Gulf of Tonkin incident were widely known historical events. Huh
Not many know that Saddam bought aluminum tubes and made yellow cake.😂
I thought he made blueberry pancakes, no?
Gulf of Tonkin was current history to me. But no one taught anything about Asian history when I was growing up. Asian history just wasn't a thing.
I really recommend looking into it, I have been (uncomfortably) fascinated by how it all connects...
I took AP American History and AP European History, and from Kindergarten through the end of my Master’s Degree I only once got past World War I and never got past World War II. Honestly, even getting past the Revolutionary War was rare. I’m not sure if not covering the Cold War is because there isn’t enough time to get to it or because it is deliberate to the agenda of people who create history class goals at a national level, but even if there isn’t much time I spent so much time covering the Civil War, surely it would be better to cover the Cold War ONE time even if it means I only get to do the Civil War 4 times instead of 5.
So many people put down this guy and this channel, but stuff like this is legitimately unknown by people like myself who had quite the poor education coming up in the south of the late 80's and 90's... through the 00's.
Do they?
@@Borninthe9ties yea... sadly
Props to you for learning on your own!! Use what you learn well 💞
High School American history class in a nutshell: Starting the school year with the Civil War, yet never making it to the present before summer vacation.
Russia's involvement in WW2 played a major roll in the Allied victory. If they became a Democracy, no one knows how weak or powerful they would've become, and this could have changed the outcome of World War 2 completely. The Allies may have still been able to create the bomb, which most certainly would have been used on Germany until they surrendered, but without Russia spilling blood against the Nazi's, the Germans would have been able to direct their focus on England and then eventually the U.S. with Japan closing in on the West.
It all depended on how much the US helped them. We gave them Billions and in the late 20s we sent them Albert Kahn to ignite their entire industrial complex. We sent them thousands of tanks and guns. They also helped start WW2! So in a sense they helped start and barely helped finish the war.
@Rat-czar Would be interesting to watch what would've happened instead, and how history would've played out like on a screen where theoretical events takes place, and watch how the different scenarios would've played out.
@@Rat-czarThe US did not help the Soviets as much as they claimed they did. The US were latecomers and both wars and loved to take the credit for winning them when they sat out and let other countries do the bulk of the work had sacrificed the most. United States is a coward Nation and if they actually find a nation that was equal to them. They would fold like a paper towel.
Counterpoint, there wouldn't have been a Nazi Germany without the Soviet Union in the first place. White Russians were some of the Nazi's earliest financiers, along with British aristocrats and American industrialists - they were keenly interested in them for their anti-communism, at the time Germany had the potential of going either way. Aristocrats and big business-owners fear communism above anything else as it is the only existential threat to them, and so they fund fascists in turn. You see it time and time again. Western powers were friendly with Hitler till he took things too far for their sensibilities, before, they had supported him as a counter-balance to the Soviet Union.
When you meet someone better than yourself, turn your thoughts to becoming his equal. When you meet someone not as good as you are, look within and examine your own self.
was kinda expecting bombing of black Wallstreet on here.
Newcomer to this channel. What a diversity!! I am impressed.
It's extremely telling sometimes what ISN'T taught in mainstream schools and universities, as much as what is.
America likes to make up its own history, like the stories surrounding Columbus, thanksgiving, Vietnam, Irak etcetera
As a Canadian schoolchild in the late '60s into the '70s, NONE of us ever heard or read about the deadly 1917 Halifax explosion, which basically leveled the town.
I hadn't even but barely heard a whisper about this historic disaster until my early 30's. When I later learned the sheer scale of devastation and detail about the tragedy and its generations-long impact on that city, I was gobsmacked: how on Earth could "they" have kept something this important from me all that friggen time...?
Which, horrifyingly, then prepared me better long after THAT for revelations about a long-running national disgrace, commonly referred to as the residential school system (which was still in operation decades after I graduated)...Again, they somehow missed that one in high school history class.
I had to find out my countrymen buried children -- babies -- in unmarked graves from a goddamned news report.
So, thanks for this video.
@0:18 Obi Wan Kenobi made an appearance lol
Don't piss in my garden and tell me you're trying to help my plants grow.
"We're tired of being poor and hungry! We're going communist!"
Lol, talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire
That just has to tell you how bad the people were treated in Russia, they were willing to sacrifice everything for change, even if the change doesnt seem better, just the hope of it carried them. The first big famine in russia was directly after world war 1 and also there was a civil war in Russia as explained in the video, but with the Bolshewiks and their partially free market (NEP) came prosperity, but then Stalin took it away and forced the farmers into the collectives where they were basically working for nothing, they had to give the whole harvest to the state and rarely got compensated for it. If you were protesting because logically you cant survive on just air and water, you would be labeled as "Kulak", a term for farmers who were said to be rich and basically enemies of the people. Stalin killed during this period of time more than 10 million of his own people, either by starving them to death if they played by the rules or just straight up liquidating them if they werent.
This is what scares me of communism, the people in power will kill their own people for ideology, capitalism only kills for profit, so its more predictable.
The last one: The fact that the 14th army intervened in Vietnam to suppress the Communist insurgence is also ignored. This involved one division of this force and had soundly defeated Ho Chi Minh's forces. The arrival of the French, who basically said "Ok, we can take it from here" prevented the complete defeat of the insurgency and, as they say, the rest if history.
I love this. History is thought by the current locations government.... Im so glad i grew up with the internet. Many lies we were taught in school growing up.
Don't be too fooled... the "internet" is also fully capable of lying to us as well, whilst unveiling false narratives.
I learned a ton in this one. Good vid, simon
Wow, actually legit first in my 19 years of UA-cam history.
Whoopee!
It's all downhill from here, bud
You should expect to see your certificate and official jacket in the mail in 4-6 weeks
Well, you can check that off the list
It was pretty easy to get first in the early days. Back when the video rating system was star based. Did you just not comment much or something???
My grandfather was a merchant marine during the allied arctic intervention in Russia after serving on the western front. He was Belgian, but received an American passport for joining the US army
In what schools arnt these topics taught in? Learned the first one in my high school.
The Dalai Lama has made Dharamshala, the hillside town in northern India, his headquarters since fleeing Tibet after a failed uprising against Chinese rule in 1959. Representatives of a Tibetan government-in-exile also reside there.
The Dalai Lama formally relinquished his political and administrative powers in 2011 and handed his political responsibilities to the community’s elected leadership. But he has remained the spiritual leader of the Tibetan community.
His followers see him as capable of uniting and mobilizing Tibetans inside and outside China.
Over 100,000 Tibetan refugees live in India, Nepal and Bhutan, according to Tibetan organizations. Their number in India is estimated at around 85,000, while many have also moved to countries such as the U.S., Canada, Germany and Switzerland.
Can't say that Winston Churchill was wrong about that 😅
Churchill's opinion on communism was proven a hundred million times over just during the 20th century.
Patton wanted to keep going. He was overruled.
I recognized the thumbnail photo for this immediately. The Port Chicago Naval Magazine still exists; it's called the Concord Naval Weapons Station, now. I trained there in the eighties as a USMC longshoreman...loading munitions, of course. Naturally, the Port Chicago disaster was stressed in our training. The mutiny as well, by that time it was well understood that the lack of proper leadership was a major cause of the disaster, and the Navy's mistakes were dissected.
clicked on video not noticing my volume was on max
rip my ear drums
i have no clue how i hadnt found this channel glad im did obscure history is the BEST
You know ... few people know that when some visitors from Eastern Europe told Karl Marx about the self proclaimed 'marxists" and explained their ideas, the German philosopher told them "if that's marxism, tell them I'm not a marxist."
fun fact: Karl Marx was booted from Russia. The only country that could accept him was England.. the birthplace of capitalism. Do you know where he's buried? In a cemetery with a bunch of rich and powerful people. You also have to pay to see his grave!
Russians pretty much fuck up everything.
Went to school in the UK and was taught all about the Allied invasion of Russia, the annexation of Tibet and the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The only one we didn’t cover was the Port Chicago explosion.
So much has been omitted more than you could imagine actually i mean you really only hear history from the perspective of whoever is writing it so how can you say for certain what they write about is entirely accurate or not
Lots of sources. The library is not only your friend, it's a vital nutrient.
I'll take "Run-on Sentences" for 500, Alex!
Nvm, that isn't even a run-on... to actually be a sentence at all requires punctuation...
It has been said that the victors write the history books, and the vanquished write the songs.
My answer to this is quoting Einstein: Never stop questioning