I would say, IF they sounded different from each other, Shurely somebody messed one of the microphones up. May it be a fluke in production, manhandling on the transport or mishandling on the usage. It’s possible. After all, some designer messed up the design of the SM7DB. 😅
If the circuit connected to the capsule (different impedances, one with a an internal pre-amp, one with an external one), then the result out can sound different. Sounds like you can't hear the difference in testing. Thanks.
From what I understand the preamp is on a separate circuit that is triggered by the bypass switch on the back. So when not enabled...which is how I have been doing the comparisons all along...it is the original circuitry.
IIRC the EIN of the H1 was 112 dBu, which was flat out terrible, even back in the day. But it might sound good if you've previously been trying to record things using your laptop's built in microphone.
Thank you for answering my microphone question that arose yesterday at Guitar Center. I did not realize the DB had branding all over it like the would be way more awesome Rode mic arm if it didn't have HUGE branding all over it.
Do you find that the SM7db has a lot of air/hiss when you engage the internal preamp? I wondered if the SM7b and external Cloudlifter would have less air/hiss in the audio signal.
@@DarkCornerStudiosThanks. I had my SM7db going through the Apollo X8p but I will try my other preamps as well. Just finished watching a video from Sean Devine and he indicated that the hiss is normal from both the SM7b and SM7db.
@Doctaj54 no...hiss is NOT normal from either. Hiss can be normal when overdrive a preamp to push the sm7b. Otherwise there should be VERY little hiss that originates from an sm7b. Generally speaking...without the cloudlifter...you need more than 61db of gain...so if you don't have 65db...you will get hiss
@@DarkCornerStudios Yes! I guess "hiss" may have been a somewhat blunt way of describing it. It's more of that airy white noise sound. I got a change to compare an older one and they do sound pretty much the same. Ran them thru a few good pres and the SM7db (+28 setting) seems to like the 6176 pre the best followed by the 3124+ . Less of that airy white noise. The 1073 was a tiny bit noisier than the Apollo.
I got the SM8DB because it was $50 off. Not knowing anything about audio except that the SM7B is gain hungry I thought it was the safer option. I have it hooked to a Focusrite 2i2 and I guess I don't really need the preamp since it can reach 69 DB. However, the built in preamp apparently provides a cleaner signal before any additional gain is applied by an interface. I don't have the means to test this but it made me feel better about my purchase haha
@PokeBeardTCG the gate should work for that...but mic technique is the best option. Generally if you are a heavy breather...you keep the mic angled away from your mouth... And when you need to speak you get in position After awhile it becomes second nature.... Otherwise you can just push it away and bring it back each time like a radio host. I feel your pain though...I too am a heavy breather
hello there I love your content. what is the best portable audio interface to be used with smartphones and an SM7DB. preferably one with a monasterio mix switch as well as a TRS input for backing tracks and or music players. planning on using it to live stream music covers on Facebook Instagram TikTok etc. so having the feed on both left and right channels would be much appreciated. stay healthy and cheers from a blind subscriber in the Philippines! edit: a TC helicon Mic Mechanic 2 analog vocal processor will be used in between the SM7DB and the audio interface. the TCMM2 itself has automatic gain which sadly cannot be disabled. so having an interface with the lowest pre-amp noise possible would be amazing for gain staging. as an aside, I like using the TCMM2 because I am legally blind and therefore do not have the capability of using DAWs in order to add vocal effects to my live performances. so essentially having a guitar pedal but one made for vocalists is a godsend for me.
Thanks for the love! I appreciate that!! As for the request...that is an interesting one. So I am going to assume that touchscreens and interactive menus are out...which narrows down the field quite a bit. So I would probably look at something like the Lewitt Connect 6. It has a computer app...with a TONNE of control. It also has an aux input...usb-c input for phones... As for connection with smartphones...that is the one aspect that I am not sure about. On the website Lewitt says that this unit works...but phone integration is tough. But if you can get this thing working with a smartphone, I would put my money on this interface being your huckleberry. Cheers and let me know how your search goes!
Someone mentioned the glossier black -- noticing it, I have to agree. Crap! I have a SM7B currently and was looking for another, or DB variant, but that shiny color -- ugh WHY Shure!!!
what will happen when the internal cloud lifter in the sm7db gets broken, will the mic still work and only the cloudlifter inside doesnt work anymore or will the whole sm7db stop working when this is happen? best regards
Love it. Glad you have an opinion that’s what my channel is all about! Although we talk about different topics I’m always happy when someone Dies On This Hill 😉 . Thank you for doing what you do. You helped me give me direction and get my podcast journey started. 2 Rode Podmic USBs, a Rodecaster Duo, 2 PSA1+, and a new Mac later I’ve done 19 podcasts since Jan 10th and have so many more planned. The next step is video / live streaming. I’ve done one but definitely need a lot of work to improve the live stream / video quality. I do need to upgrade my headphones though any suggestions? Keep up the great work! Thanks for what you do 👍🏼
Which Enterprise is this and why don't the other ships in Star Trek use an A, B, C or D when the name carries over to another classification of ship? Why not the Farragut A?
Yeah, my comment wasn't intended to be confrontational and yes we're coming from the same angle. The point was more that companies make a big deal over ribbon mics (both design and component level) when it really isn't. I've been building mics for decades now and ribbons, by far, are the easiest as far as components go... a transformer, some magnets and ribbon material. What makes the mic worth $200 or $4000 when the components are in essence the same? (rhetorical, there are a lot of reasons and QC is probably the most costly element). Desides active ribbons, like say, the AEA KU5a or some of the Royer active mics, there has been almost no advancements or improvements to ribbon designs outside of using neodymium magnets over alnico. But even in the case of active ribbons, the motor theory and practice are the same as they were back in the 1930's. As far as what I meant by "hand made": there are a lot of companies where a human hand barely touches the manufacturing process and only few where a person is doing the actual work. Obviously a person isn't carving a capsule out of a billet with a butter knife, thats just non-sense, but there's a difference between say how Souyz makes their capsules (a HUMAN controlling the machine by hand) and say a company like (take your pick of cheap condensers) where a machine is cutting, dropping, smoothing etc. etc. Completely different processes that both result in usable products at different price points. There's certainly a premium when you have skilled labor making a component over a strictly CNC process and there's also an expected level of better QC with the "hand made" components as well. Neumanns QC tests are absolutely INSANE, which is where most of that money goes in the cost of their mics. (i went over some of them in my neumann video) As to how to pronounce the name... check out the channel, its full of fun yet somehow simultaneously boring edumacashunel videos! Cheers!
Oh I know...I didn't ride you too hard...lol... Again...yeah...making the same point from different directions. I still stand by it that the production of ribbon mics makes companies stand out against the amount of trash there is. Cheers man!
It isn't louder...that would just be the way they are gain staging it. Now...with the preamp engaged...yes...it would be louder...but I'm not talking about the mic with the preamp engaged.
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Yeah, a video explaining interface specs would be good. One about mics would be good too. 👍
I've handmade a ribbon mic out of 2 small food strainers, some foil, magnets, etc.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
@@DarkCornerStudios No, seriously. I did. It sounds pretty cool on guitar amps.
I would say, IF they sounded different from each other, Shurely somebody messed one of the microphones up. May it be a fluke in production, manhandling on the transport or mishandling on the usage. It’s possible. After all, some designer messed up the design of the SM7DB. 😅
If the circuit connected to the capsule (different impedances, one with a an internal pre-amp, one with an external one), then the result out can sound different. Sounds like you can't hear the difference in testing. Thanks.
From what I understand the preamp is on a separate circuit that is triggered by the bypass switch on the back.
So when not enabled...which is how I have been doing the comparisons all along...it is the original circuitry.
@@DarkCornerStudios Do you find that with it turned ON you notice any differences?
Excellent. Enjoyed that one.
I have decided to do a trial run of a podcast recorded in a work van. What microphone would you recommend?
Ohhh...good one.
I'll drop that on the next.
If you need an early answer...hit me up on Discord
Matt Foley used a shotgun microphone.
IIRC the EIN of the H1 was 112 dBu, which was flat out terrible, even back in the day. But it might sound good if you've previously been trying to record things using your laptop's built in microphone.
Thank you for answering my microphone question that arose yesterday at Guitar Center. I did not realize the DB had branding all over it like the would be way more awesome Rode mic arm if it didn't have HUGE branding all over it.
sm7db with 28 preamp vs sm7b witf cf 25db, which one better?
Do you find that the SM7db has a lot of air/hiss when you engage the internal preamp?
I wondered if the SM7b and external Cloudlifter would have less air/hiss in the audio signal.
@@Doctaj54 no hiss.
That would indicate an issue with the cloudlifter...or something else in the interface
@@DarkCornerStudiosThanks. I had my SM7db going through the Apollo X8p but I will try my other preamps as well. Just finished watching a video from Sean Devine and he indicated that the hiss is normal from both the SM7b and SM7db.
@Doctaj54 no...hiss is NOT normal from either.
Hiss can be normal when overdrive a preamp to push the sm7b.
Otherwise there should be VERY little hiss that originates from an sm7b.
Generally speaking...without the cloudlifter...you need more than 61db of gain...so if you don't have 65db...you will get hiss
@@DarkCornerStudios Yes! I guess "hiss" may have been a somewhat blunt way of describing it. It's more of that airy white noise sound. I got a change to compare an older one and they do sound pretty much the same. Ran them thru a few good pres and the SM7db (+28 setting) seems to like the 6176 pre the best followed by the 3124+ . Less of that airy white noise. The 1073 was a tiny bit noisier than the Apollo.
I got the SM8DB because it was $50 off. Not knowing anything about audio except that the SM7B is gain hungry I thought it was the safer option. I have it hooked to a Focusrite 2i2 and I guess I don't really need the preamp since it can reach 69 DB. However, the built in preamp apparently provides a cleaner signal before any additional gain is applied by an interface. I don't have the means to test this but it made me feel better about my purchase haha
Please help! I cant decide on what to get for my channel.
Lol...just saw this...
What did you end up getting?
@DarkCornerStudios I got the sm7b with the rodecaster duo. Now I just gotta figure out how to get it to not pick up my breathing so easily. Any tips?
@PokeBeardTCG the gate should work for that...but mic technique is the best option.
Generally if you are a heavy breather...you keep the mic angled away from your mouth...
And when you need to speak you get in position
After awhile it becomes second nature....
Otherwise you can just push it away and bring it back each time like a radio host.
I feel your pain though...I too am a heavy breather
@DarkCornerStudios what do you mean the gate?
@PokeBeardTCG noisegate
hello there I love your content.
what is the best portable audio interface to be used with smartphones and an SM7DB. preferably one with a monasterio mix switch as well as a TRS input for backing tracks and or music players.
planning on using it to live stream music covers on Facebook Instagram TikTok etc. so having the feed on both left and right channels would be much appreciated.
stay healthy and cheers from a blind subscriber in the Philippines!
edit: a TC helicon Mic Mechanic 2 analog vocal processor will be used in between the SM7DB and the audio interface. the TCMM2 itself has automatic gain which sadly cannot be disabled. so having an interface with the lowest pre-amp noise possible would be amazing for gain staging.
as an aside, I like using the TCMM2 because I am legally blind and therefore do not have the capability of using DAWs in order to add vocal effects to my live performances. so essentially having a guitar pedal but one made for vocalists is a godsend for me.
Thanks for the love!
I appreciate that!!
As for the request...that is an interesting one.
So I am going to assume that touchscreens and interactive menus are out...which narrows down the field quite a bit.
So I would probably look at something like the Lewitt Connect 6.
It has a computer app...with a TONNE of control.
It also has an aux input...usb-c input for phones...
As for connection with smartphones...that is the one aspect that I am not sure about.
On the website Lewitt says that this unit works...but phone integration is tough.
But if you can get this thing working with a smartphone, I would put my money on this interface being your huckleberry.
Cheers and let me know how your search goes!
Someone mentioned the glossier black -- noticing it, I have to agree. Crap! I have a SM7B currently and was looking for another, or DB variant, but that shiny color -- ugh WHY Shure!!!
what will happen when the internal cloud lifter in the sm7db gets broken, will the mic still work and only the cloudlifter inside doesnt work anymore or will the whole sm7db stop working when this is happen? best regards
Mic will still work...just not with the preamp
Love it. Glad you have an opinion that’s what my channel is all about! Although we talk about different topics I’m always happy when someone Dies On This Hill 😉 . Thank you for doing what you do. You helped me give me direction and get my podcast journey started. 2 Rode Podmic USBs, a Rodecaster Duo, 2 PSA1+, and a new Mac later I’ve done 19 podcasts since Jan 10th and have so many more planned. The next step is video / live streaming. I’ve done one but definitely need a lot of work to improve the live stream / video quality. I do need to upgrade my headphones though any suggestions? Keep up the great work! Thanks for what you do 👍🏼
Cheers!
Glad I could help in some small way!!
Which Enterprise is this and why don't the other ships in Star Trek use an A, B, C or D when the name carries over to another classification of ship? Why not the Farragut A?
OK...let me research that...
Actually I am quite curious
Yeah, my comment wasn't intended to be confrontational and yes we're coming from the same angle. The point was more that companies make a big deal over ribbon mics (both design and component level) when it really isn't. I've been building mics for decades now and ribbons, by far, are the easiest as far as components go... a transformer, some magnets and ribbon material. What makes the mic worth $200 or $4000 when the components are in essence the same? (rhetorical, there are a lot of reasons and QC is probably the most costly element). Desides active ribbons, like say, the AEA KU5a or some of the Royer active mics, there has been almost no advancements or improvements to ribbon designs outside of using neodymium magnets over alnico. But even in the case of active ribbons, the motor theory and practice are the same as they were back in the 1930's.
As far as what I meant by "hand made": there are a lot of companies where a human hand barely touches the manufacturing process and only few where a person is doing the actual work. Obviously a person isn't carving a capsule out of a billet with a butter knife, thats just non-sense, but there's a difference between say how Souyz makes their capsules (a HUMAN controlling the machine by hand) and say a company like (take your pick of cheap condensers) where a machine is cutting, dropping, smoothing etc. etc. Completely different processes that both result in usable products at different price points. There's certainly a premium when you have skilled labor making a component over a strictly CNC process and there's also an expected level of better QC with the "hand made" components as well. Neumanns QC tests are absolutely INSANE, which is where most of that money goes in the cost of their mics. (i went over some of them in my neumann video)
As to how to pronounce the name... check out the channel, its full of fun yet somehow simultaneously boring edumacashunel videos! Cheers!
Oh I know...I didn't ride you too hard...lol...
Again...yeah...making the same point from different directions.
I still stand by it that the production of ribbon mics makes companies stand out against the amount of trash there is.
Cheers man!
Imo they dont sound the same because the sm7db is louder and I have heard so many videos with people talking into it and it was clipping
It isn't louder...that would just be the way they are gain staging it.
Now...with the preamp engaged...yes...it would be louder...but I'm not talking about the mic with the preamp engaged.
Oh without the preamp on it does sound the same.
"Currently hearing" Bwahaha!
There is a reason for that...lol...long story
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AI should be able to design better microphones for robots to build than humans.
Funny title
Oof
When I switched it up it would seem I was rather forgetful
@@DarkCornerStudiosfair yeah I'm surprised nobody mentioned it before me tbh
Early
That's what she said.