He's the only 4 star I don't have. I spent 50 wishes on kazuhas banner to get him, and nothing. I wanted to him so bad that I got wrio as a replacement 😭😭😭
This reminded me of the time Heizou released, I wanted him SO BAD. 60 something pulls, 1 kazuha, 1 mona, c5 ningguang, AT LEAST C3 thoma, not a SINGLE heizou. I was devastated.
Got my first Heizou after 173 pulls T_T My 2nd Heizou I was lucky on the weapon banner (so he doesn't really count into statistics of rate-up banners). My 3rd one was "easy" again, only 48 pulls in 3.2. Now then, it didn't end there... To get the last 4 Cons I needed ANOTHER (exactly) 300 pulls in 3.7... which means I needed a total of 521 pulls to pull Heizou 6 times (to make him c6). That means I needed a total of ~87 pulls on average per Heizou on a banner he was rate-up on... Being a Heizou Main has been wild and I am honestly glad I got to make him c6 on the last banner he was on... The only positive thing for me was that he had been Kazuha's banner two times, whom I wanted to make c6 as well. So I had been saving for him anyways. I really hope Hoyo is going to do something about 4 Stars because it has been really frustrating for me so far... xD
i spent 140 pulls on chiori banner to get gorou for my itto, i didnt get gorou but i did get c5 dori c4 yunjin 2 off banner 4 stars and chiori gorou then got the free event in the next patch.
its mihoyo --- they are greedy -- it will never change We still have that garbage 4 star weapons on shop that no1 talks abauth any more as they know they suck.
@@CM_684 See, we think its a bad design - for Mihomo its working as intended. You want change? Instead of essays, stop spending and playing. Although to be fair - the only market they care about Cn anyway.
When Wanderer was first released I had about 350 pulls saved because he is one of my favorite characters and since he needs faruzan to work well I was pretty confident that this amount would be enough to get a decent chunk of her cons as well (in my dream of dreams I dared be optimistic for even a c6). In the end I got c3 wanderer and can we guess how many faruzans. because the answer is one. and that one towards the final pulls. absolutely ridiculous
Hahaha, i got 1 faruzan. But I didn't even want her, I easily won c3 from Beidou and Layla (I only use her) but I had few pulls. Around 67. Thank you for sharing your experience because I'm also trying to get the wanderer constellation
it does seem like on wanderer's banner she tends to not want to come home xD I was fortunate enought to c6 her on xianyun's and nahida's banner in 200 pulls, I spend around 350 pulls on this last wanderer banner, got his c0, c1 and c2, faruzan only appeared 3 times during those pulls, I c6-ed layla and beidou (layla from c0 and I didnt have beidou previously) within 300 pulls bcs of that xD
I hope they can have a 4-star selector feature in their permanent banner or any banner, because there are already many 4-star characters, so it's very difficult to get the characters you want.
Way too generous of them. Mind you, Genshin is their only game that still has an absolutely godawful, irredeemable piece of shit of a weapon banner to this very day - they still haven't updated it even after the release of Star Rail and Zenless with way better systems - if they haven't even done that, four star selector is definitely never coming.
This is why KUROgames is love: 1. A ranks and s ranks are released separately in punishing gray raven and a perma selector is always present for a ranks, weapons, Cubs and uni frames. Despite the differences in gameplay, it’s a perfect way to drastically clean out clutter and not have todo much on revisiting old stuff when trying to pad out new limited banners. Which this crap really screams hard for signature weapons and even special 4 star weapons. And punishing gray raven still has the exchange shop to let you melt duplicates of maxed out on units and a mostly unrestricted frag farm of 2 a day for each a rank that can magnify owning multiple a ranks to max triple s plus to scrap frags at 3 frags a frag of choice for the stamina surplus burners. Ultimately, mihoyo wants to keep forcing that FOMO to panick spend instead of making it easy to catch up. This is why honkai impact 3rd is a shite show of FOMO pains in general even years back. Meanwhile wuthering waves not only giving away so many 5 star units and ease of acquistion of weapons, it makes the gap of acquistion absurdly different, despite it and gen’stingie both use the 50/50 pull banner.
@@BladeSerphIf you’re gonna bring up Wuwa at least be honest about their generosity. Free 5 stars is because of how much they flopped on release for mobile players, another free 5 star for some reason is clearly for player retention in a dead patch when Genshin has its biggest patch of the year and the weapon banner is guaranteed because you’re expected to get them for each 5 star. There’s a huge difference between a 4 star and 5 star weapon in Wuwa so that kinda evens out the whole guaranteed weapon part, in Genshin the difference isn’t so massive.
Gorou is a support for a mono geo, there aren't many geo DPSs in general and there's only maybe 3 geo DPSs, itto, Noelle and navia. Only itto is suitable for mono geo nowadays. Navia kit basically encourages double geo only while Noelle best teams have furina
And Chev looks like she is gonna be tied to Raiden, her first release being a double rerun which is atrocious. The whales pay Hoyo’s bills and that level of disrespect to them is horrible.
There's a JP streamer who whaled on Yoimiya's and Raiden's banner just for C6 Chevreuse. All it took him was 5 5*s, 59,680 primogems, and his mentality. His chat was spamming シュヴLOSE every time he didn't get Chevy. Literally he pulled a Diluc with 2 Bennys and a Sara in just a 10 pull.
@@cmonbruh6636 Actually he spent 373 wishes, I made a mistake and said 59,680 wishes instead mb lol. But well you still get how painful wishing for 4*s is.
"I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Xiangling. I try to play Diluc. My Xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Yoimiya. My Xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Cyno. My Xiangling deals more damage. I don't even try to play Dehya. I want to play Klee. Her best team has Xiangling. I want to play Raiden, Childe - they both want Xiangling. She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the Catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull Engulfing Lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs Bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with Homa." I can't pull for Homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs Gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in her eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world." How I felt after seeing the lineup.
"You expected this to be a normal conversation, but it all ties back to Xiangling." "BOOM! Xiangling" "You open a door? BOOM! Xingling" "You wake up in the middle of the night, roll over and expect to see your wife next to you, but it's not your wife. It's Xiangling."
The 4 star Paradox is real, I had to go for c1 Wanderer for c6 Faruzan (I already had c5 before i even started pulling). I went 145 pulls without a single damn Faruzan. 145.
pretty sure some 4stars are shortprinted (a term from yugioh). which means no matter what rarity, to get that specific card/character is more difficult/rarer than other cards/characters. happend to me as well, feel‘ya bro 🫂
same here. c2 wanderer for c6 faruzan and my c3 raiden (i refuse to go further) still only has c5 sara. Probably something similar in my hopes for c6 chevy. But its fine. i'm happy to completely skip sara, c1 chevy is fine already, and my c2 wanderer is one of my stronger teams now~.
It feels like they purposely code this into the game. “Oh the entire player base wants Kaveh? Let’s rig the banner into giving you a 0.000001% to get him! We want our money!” Usually I pull on standard and get the 4 star I needed after a while. That’s how I got Heizou I think the reason why they haven’t done this already is as simple as- they want their money and encourage you to spend it to get even a singular copy of a 4 star
When will they learn that people are more likely to spend money on things they *enjoy?* 😓 If paying money at least *guaranteed* the thing you want, instead of just arbitrarily increasing your odds, I think a lot more people would be willing to apens money instead of calling it quits, getting sad, and inching ever closer to just abandoning the game like many already have
@@MxPokirby I agree! Hoyo is just screwing their own game over. Incidents like C6 Kazuha from Zy0x, Soluna and the Kaveh video, and many other players who despite spending a TON of money or saved up for super long only to get a singular copy of Kuki, Faruzan, etc? It’s diabolical.
@@MxPokirbybecause that's not really how it works. For example people think that Wuwa fast paced exploration adds more enjoyment to the game versus Genshins slow traversal But by playing to a a gamers wishes to expedite the process your taking away there ability to be absorbed In the setting. Same with Gamba making it easier to get multiple 4 Star constellation doesn't make people happier it just lowers there value. You now no longer have that anticipation you basically start to ignore the purple and only care about the gold. The truth is that players don't actually know what's best only know what they might enjoy. Player want more skins but then you get HI3 issue where skins feel cheap because there throwing them at you every patch
8:47 there is a reason. The 4 stars are used to increase the value of the banners. A Kokomi banner with Xingque and Fischl is much better than with Kirara and Mika. It's a very dirty tactic considering how many 4 stars are in the game and how slowly they re run because of that but Hoyo is a very greedy company, especially the Genshin team, so it's not a surprise they haven't added any new 4 stars to shop
every gacha company is fucking greedy. stop acting like this is exclusive to hoyo. also saying the genshin devs are the most greedy when the fucking hi3 devs powercreep everything into oblivion every 4 months or so to get you to continue wasting money on these dogshit glorified casinos is so crazy dawg
@@justsomeguy727 While the main subject is Genshin, don’t be too offended for them. They’re greedy, simple as that. The anniversaries proved it, multiple banners proved it, and even the “genshit could never” meme from HSR players proved it. That’s why they’re adding these tiny little QOL things and for two anniversaries in a row, they’ve given more than they wanted to initially. They want to get extra money and give you crumbs. It’s just unfortunate that Genshin, the biggest Gacha right now, does it at this level. Funny enough, Hi3 has way too many units for me to keep up with. But, even I know that trying to grab all of them is a death wish for one’s wallet and to focus on my regular lineup unless new mechanics are made for the game. “Power creep” should really just be a thing when a unit introduces a new mechanic or does the same thing as, at least, two different characters but better (HSR’s Huo Huo being better than Luocha/Tingyun or Aventurine being better than March 7th/Gepard by miles) and the chances to pull that character is manipulated to the point of getting at least only one copy without opening a wallet. None of these are Nikke. We’re still fine amidst all of this.
Genshin favors the 1.0 4 stars I've noticed. and I am getting sick of it. They're very good 4stars. but Hoyoverse needs to spread the attention a bit more. Also Hoyoverse please put more 4 stars in the shop. We should every 4 star from the 1.0 and 2.0 patches in the shop (imo)
dawg i havent used 1.0 four stars outside of beidou for my clorinde . yall just THINK they are favored cause of all the information you consume online but if you take some time to think for yourselves, you just might see you can very well ignore those characters and build plenty of comps that dont care for having any of them
@@vengeancewillbemine2104 oh no character isnt overly generic and splashable into every team comp they must be terrible! you people really dont think for yourselves holy shit
It became evident a long time ago, back when Kirara was first released that 4 star characters are the real trap. I don’t care about 4 stars anymore. Only pull for the 5 star you want and pretend 4 stars don’t exist, simple as that.
Actually id say it was evident ever since Yanfei released, it wasnt as bad since there wasnt alot of characters on standard but my point remains everyone was getting 5stars before 1 copy of Yanfei, its been an issue for ages people are only realizing now since their favourites arent on banners
ITS BEEN FIVE MONTHS AND TO THIS DAY I DONT HAVE A SINGLE FISHL OR XINQUI TO MY NAME Edit: I love how this comment ticks away and gets a response every now and then thanks yall
I've been playing since 1.0 in 1.0 I believe there was an event that gave fischl as a free character. I was stupid and dumb and too busy exploring to do the event, so I missed out on the ficshl. that was the biggest mistake I have made playing this game, because I have never gotten a single copy of her. EVER. WHERE IS SHE. PLEASE. IM SO TIRED
I think mica will only rerun with physical dps banners now like how gorou only reruns with itto and faruzan with anemo dps banners. The only problem is that eula is locked in the basement / in chronicle
2:39 well, no. chronicle banner actually allows to obtain 4stars in its pool with a much higher chance than in standard banner. For last chronicle there were only mondstadt characters and mondstadt weapons, including kaeya-amber-lisa. The only thing I wish for is that they would put chronicle at least twice a year. But right now it seems like it would be a X.5 special banner.
It doesn't matter if they listen or not, they are too big to fail at this point. CN players will keep spending on them regardless, they are not the type that care about improvement or anything, as long as genshin didn't nerf anyone.
And that's exactly why I made this video. 160 is enough for two 5-stars. It really shouldn't take that long to get a single 4 star. I hope you get him soon.
@@ax_xton IKR i wish she was in Arlecchino and Clorinde's Banner cause they're the characters that can be meta with Oveload cause they can actually chase the enemies when they get overloaded 😭😭😭
It's a smart (and anti consumer) business practice. By making some 4 stars really rare, people are more likely to pull on a feature for a 4 star, which has 0 guarantee. I saw someone in these comments here saying they've done 130 pulls for Kaveh and still nothing. Thats an absolute win to Hoyo.
In card games, we call this short printing. Making something really rare to get, in this case a 4*, sucks for the consumer. But, the company benefits because it either makes the set (banner) expensive or the card (unit) itself even more expensive.
i think they should change it so that the 4 star characters can be bought with starglitter on their birthday months and make it so you can buy 2 of the characters instead of only 1
Playing for around 3 years now, to this day I still haven't gotten a single Heizou to complete my 4 Star collection. I am begging u to put him on a banner Hoyo🙏
C6 one here and i barely use him......i just keep getting him offbanner. Same with kuki ... she F me on navia banner, when i was trying for kirara cons.
one frustrating thing abt their refusal to rerun newer 4 stars is that 4 stars, especially newer ones, are balanced around players eventually getting their c6, and some like faruzan and candace basically need their c6 to be playable. most older players have c6s on most of the earlier 4 stars. ive been playing since 1.4, and all of my 1.x units are c6 besides xinyan and the starter units, my lowest con 2.x unit is c2, and my 3.x and 4.x units range from c0 to c6 (but only lynette and collei are c6). id love to get cons on a lot 4 stars, some to play in a specific team (like arle vape with c6 candace) but a lot just for the sake of collection. like im so sick of seeing 1.x and 2.x units on banners when i think most ppl want units they dont have maxxed out
I pulled for Mualani day one of banner update and while I got a single copy of her, I pulled a second Kachina and WAY TOO MANY XINYAN. She must want to be one the team because I already had her C6 like two years ago. I can’t use my C20 Xinyan anywhere.
It's because dehya and thoma are the ONLY other pyro off fielders.. and every other pyro is on field. So the devs refuse to give options the same way siegwinne should of been a 4 star but made her 5 because "hydro"
@@nobody-xh6ii Siegwinne as a 4 star hydro healer that can get cons, would be seen as a better Charlotte. Instead she is just the worst limited 5 star in the game (maybe Albedo is worse but he came from another era).
@@SillyYuko he better be in the 5. Banners I’m literally skipping most of the banners for him also I literally hate the 5.0 banners I like kazuha but I can get him some other time
250 wishes total to c6 Gorou. Took me 3 Itto's banners to achieve that. Also me, getting 3 Kukies in a row from the standard banner. You can't even imagine how low is the chance of that happening. This game is weird.
It's not weird; it's gambling, quite literally. The game around is just to give you the impression that it isn't. What's weird is that people think they're not gambling.
13 months without Kuki Shinobu for me. She was featured once on the rather awful Ayato/Cyno banner, and while I did risk some ~20 pulls despite not wanting either 5-star, she obviously didn't come. As I do not really want Raiden, I have yet to properly experience the "most f2p friendly" team build of hyperbloom after more than a full year of play.
@@Bullminator The current abyss was my second 36-star abyss, cleared mainly through Keqing aggrevate and the newly pulled Nilou bloom, with Ayaka freeze coming in where necessary. Keqing in particular can be a die-a-lot team, so I can probably deal with hyperbloom too. It's just a bit silly that I'm running my favourite unit (Nahida) in everything except her poster team because a 4-star just won't come.
This is basically what happened to me when Wanderer first came out. I got C3 Wanderer by the time I had C6 Faruzan. It was a problem then. And it’s only gotten worse since.
Meanwhile me.............got c6 faruzan from standard/weapon banner and limited weapon banner random rolls... I dont even have a dps anemo unit. Never rolled once when she was on banner as it was anways that anoying boy.
I swear to god that since the day Sayu came out in the game I'm trying to get her, every chance I get, because I find her gameplay so funny and stupid. To this day I don't have Sayu and this situation became a joke and frequent comment in my group of friends and I'm tired of it. It's ridiculous the amount of bad luck I have and there's nothing I can do about it.
Xiao was one of my first five stars, and you know who Xiao works great with? SUCROSE. I got Xiao on his second rerun, and I have NEVER pulled a SUCROSE in the YEARS of pulling.
this issue could easily be solved by changing the mf starglitter shop, adding more 4* characters and letting it rotate consistently, heck or even letting us pick any 4* at any point ever from that shop. most gachas have some sort of sparking system that lets you choose any character from the standard poll after they have been out for long enough mf hoyo
I mean they put 4 stars we dont want with 5 stars we do. And the 4 stars we do want they put with reruns and less popular 5 stars. Its just a big scam to always have people spending money
Spend about 180 pulls on banners with Kuki... Still don't have any Kuki 💀 Anyway, this point was in the short *list of what longtime Genshin players have been asking* for... Here it is if you wanna take a look: - Standard *5-star character selector* after xxx amount of wishes, *retroactive* _(already implemented in Honkai Star Rail)_ - Add *3 extra 10-pulls* (cost: 8 fates) to the *beginner's banner* and make the *50th pull a guaranteed standard 5-star* character. _(HSR already implemented this)_ - *Epitomized Path for 4-stars* and more characters/weapons in the Starglitter shop - Option to *save a few artifacts sets and weapons per character* as loadout, especially for "main characters" Aether/Lumine, one for each element type+add option to change element anywhere in overworld _(already implemented in Honkai Impact 3)_ - *Advanced SOLO AND CO-OP permanent combat challenges (Endgame)* with customizable difficulty, buffs, de-buffs, time, HP, etc. But also *more casual challenges like HSR “Simulated Universe”* _(it was already done in events such as : Hypostatic Symphony 2021/01/16, Legend of the Vagabond Sword 2021/06/25, Labyrinth Warriors 10/21/21…)_ - *Resin overflow system* + resin capacity and condensed resin capacity increase - *Optional old events (DLC)* to be re-playable for *new players* and be able to experience *hidden/missed lore* and *mini-games* _(plus an option to read previous story dialogues)_ - A way for *new players to acquire old event character signature weapons* in a shop - *More options and quality of life updates for every type of players* such as; Teapot load limit increase, more in game character emote and pose for role-players, more options for content creators with UI(hide user interface) and advanced audio/video settings(un-cap FPS), *skip the entire dialogue option for speedrunners* - *Togglable constellations* for content creators, testers or people who want to try challenges - Clear *buff indicators with cool-downs* in the UI(user interface) and *hp bar for shields* - *Retire the day locked domains for weapons and talents materials* - *Add controller support for Android devices* - *FIX DEHYA.* Then address the *bug reports* on characters like Eula, Mona, Xinyan etc - *More rewards* for the free to play, more than just *3 pulls for 3 years*
Thank you genuinely for this comment, I don't interact with the Genshin community as much outside of the game aside from consuming UA-cam content and I've been playing for 3 years. It makes me feel comforted knowing I wasn't the only one complaining about these EXACT things, nearly word for word. It is still crazy to me that they feel like they can have these features in their other games, just because they have a bias over those games. It really leaves Genshin players feeling like we're missing out :( and they're very basic accommodations and changes!! (imo)
Thank you as well, genuinely too... If you saw some of the dismissive replies I got for voicing this... Well let's just say some are very adamant to keep the status quo. Sadly those points have been requested for (~3)years and we never got much of anything. Only recently Hoyo got somewhat of a competition, so they start to give us drops of QOLs like: the option to read previous dialogues, hide user interface, and a small bump on resin cap... Then there is the Theater... Ngl, it's a disappointment since it's just a solo circle fight mini-game with way too much restriction and not enough repeatability to have fun imo. It is truly saddening to have so much potential in a game but it seem that it's only treated as a slot machine for addicts first, then a game as an afterthought. Hopefully someone at Hoyo wakes up and start to change things around, but that's probably hopium as everyone loves to tells me. T^T
@ryokyko gosh, i relate so hard!! Imaginarium theater is neat, but it definitely just feels like another thing they added to say "see! We add content for end-game players. We care about you!" While proving that they absolutely do not care in the slightest because our requests for change take literal years to come into fruition - if ever. I think the competition coming up has only proven to be a good thing and I hope it gets them into action more. Because it's getting a lot harder to play. Just the fact that it took them until very recently to cap the resin to a 25 hour clock at least so you dont have to constantly be on, worrying about your resin cap is insane to me on it's own. Never mind that there isn't nearly enough resin for the sheer amount of characters resin needs anymore, with everyone's talents, level raising, and the god-forsaken artifacts which are still entirely out of our favor. I had to farm Itto's domain for over a year just to end up with a predominantly Atk% build because i got SO unlucky about getting Def% on any of his items. It needs a change, everything listed needs a change. I practically spam whoever is behind the genshin surveys with all of our pleas, hoping I'm not the only one saying something. It's sad that I may have to drop this game again some day, as I already came back a few months ago from a year-long burnout break but the more peoole willing to speak out on it. The more they might listen (I hope), it doesnt help that they don't care about their western audience and our strongest voices (predominantly streamer whales) dont feel a lot of the pain of dealing with some of these issues. I dont know. Despite that, I like to keep up hope! Maybe even if it is just a bit of coping or "hopium" as you stated lol. But I'm also autistic so it's been a comfort game since day one of me playing, and it's a lot harder for me to switch to similar games because change is hard for neurodivergent folks. I stand strong for the changes we need though, and I hope we get it because we deserve a game that listens!!
As a new player it's great you can get her to C4, but when you've played over a year you'll find pulling her annoying, I'm probably c100 on her by now, yet someone like Heizou I have 0 and even Kaeya after 2 years he's still c0 Lisa c1 amber c0
@@michealrosen I totally understand that, bro, but I think it's necessary to rerun important 4-stars more often for newer players. I will probably experience your pain soon enough, and I personally think four stars should be more flexibly accessible anyway, but it is what it is.
General rule when to comes to most gachas I've played, if you ever feel like any mechanic feels designed to inconvenience you, and the only way to solve it is to spend money, it's probably intentional. Stuff like this 4 star paradox might not have been planned from the beginning, but they'll keep it around anyway because they know it bugs people and tempts them to spend money. That's how they gacha
I have c6 kirara c6 ningguan, c0 nilou and 6 other randoms 4 stars including weapons, all of that just for a c0 kaveh😃 now i'm in soft pity waiting for yelan banner
I got more Nilous than Ningguang + Kirara combined. It's ridiculous that that can occur on something aside from hilarious luck (And yes, I did have hilarious luck on this banner getting 4 Nilous and a Dehya in like 90 pulls but still).
I wanted Xiphos' Moonlight for my boi Kazuha and Nilou but they kept giving me the damn Bell and Eye of Perception. SO FCKN USELESS. NOT ONE SINGLE COPY OF XIPHOS 😭😭😭
I actually thought about this today because I'm saving up for Iansan, who seems to be a 4 star(I really hope I'm wrong!). And it's so sad because in that case, it's more difficult to get her than whatever 5 star will be on her banner. Anyway, maybe we all should write those suggestions for the next patch survey?
I can't stress enough how I need a Freminet rerun, Candace rerun, Ga-ming, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY A TIGHNARI RERUN. SERIOUSLY HOYO I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM IN SO LONG.
@@pc_txears you can still get him by losing a 50/50 but its the same problem with 4-stars, no way to guarantee the specific one you want, still dont have him
Same, I didn’t manage to get them on the Alre/Lyney banner and the Sige/Furina banner and I hate that I didn’t manage to get them because they’re characters I really like😭😭😭 and now I’m losing my chance to get Nilou as the week progresses
on itto first banner i did 100 pulls , i got 1 gorou.... and 6 barbaras( i wanted gorou cause im gorou main and have him tripple crowned and i started at c0 barbara) and by totaly random chance i got kaveh one version before mihoyo left him from jail TWICE. once by loosing on event banner and one on standard banner . and it happend one after another. this is too much rng to much my liking
I have been lucky enough to get at least one copy of almost every 4*. The only ones i don't have are xinyan, mika and sucrose. The first two i don't care about, but i'd really like to have a sucrose :(. I think she's adorable and i've heard she can be good.
Sucrose is very good, but if you have Kazuha she's kind of redundant. Ofc she works in many similar teams and her taser team is good, but you can always find a Kazuha variant that's similar or better. I'd like to have a Mika just for collection purposes, but as the video discusses, getting one is nearly impossible unless he just happens to be on the same banner as a 5 star I want and even then.... took me 150 wishes for c1 Charlotte on her first banner, fortunately I only got the one 5 star I wanted on it..
@@deathmetalalchemist5861lol i got mika in the standard banner. Kaveh took me 10 pulls. The last 4 star u dont have is chongyun because i didnt play the game when he reran
I stopped playing the game for almost 2 years, came back during Arle banner dropped. So geeked to hopefully get those strong new 4 star units that came while I'm not playing the game but Hoyo keep putting 4 star units that i have in C6 for 3 years now 🤣
im hoping charlotte or chevruse wont get kaveh’s treatment😭 and about navia/nilou banner I was lucky to get c2/c3 for each of the 4* considering I didn’t even got them before the banners (really wanted kaveh). And got navia! But dam I remember pulling on Neuvilette’s banner and getting ONLY barbara (I hate her 😢). Well. I’ll wait for charlotte’s rerun for a year.. at least she’ll be on maternity leave..
9:51 They made it harder. I tried for Sigewinne for the whole month an even Firena and i didn't win either of them An i spent $80 bucks on the game for wishes. So when i finally got a 5 star it was Diluc. I had a greater chance of getting him than the character on the Banner. I quit. It should be a garenteed chance on 30 wishes to get at least 2 5 stars an one of them should be the one on the banner.
I'm a newer player, and I remember during Arleccino's banner, I wanted to get Freminet because I really wanted to try a Superconduct team. So after ~100 pulls, I got Arleccino, 1 Lynette, 1 Sacrificial Sword... and 4 FUCKING XIANGLINGS. I C6'D XIANGLING BEFORE I PULLED FREMINET ONCE. Edit: spelling errors
big agree with epitomized path for 4*s also hope they solve the 5* rerun distribution cus we also havent seen Ganyu since kaveh's release... and Shenhe even longer ago... despite both getting skins in 4.4 :c
The fact that when you get 2 4star characters in a row the next/3rd will guarantee a 4star weapon and vise versa So in every 30 pulls you're atleast guaranteed 1character 2weapons or vise versa oh but it doesn't stop there you have a chance to get an off banner character or the rate up character in the banner🤯🤯 and if you get the rate up banner you have a 33.3 percent chance to even get the character that you wanted and that percentage never goes up or down since there is no guaranteed so you could get a c6 5star(with/without 50-50 loss) without getting the rate up 4 star you wanted which is insane :t Its basically gambling with a gamble with a gamble
I may be dumb, but I feel like the reason why version 1 4 star characters get re run so often is bc of new players. Like for most if not all of them don’t require long story progression or travel time to level them. Like with kuki you need to complete the liyue archon quest and the chasm quest to level her. But idk, it’s just theory. A game theory
Having world bosses locked behind quests is really an issue, the ammount of bosses that are locked like this is just ridiculous, it'd be slighly ok if it were just the 3 in special regions (the Chasm, Enkanomiya and Petrichor), but literally every single Inazuma boss is locked behind the archon quest, and out of the four, only one isn't locked behind a world quest on top of that. It seems they realised this is a problem after the 2.x era because after that only the Petrichor boss was locked behind a quest, but if they could add a feature for doing weekly bosses before unlocking them, why not do the same for world bosses? Just leaving the teleport point next to them open, idk
I literally have lost my mind with the standard banner. I am a Kaeya main, so I do have bit more of incentive to pull the standard banner (among other reasons) and I got C6 Mika from the standard banner in less than a year. From C0, when I got him first from his release banner. It's like the game decided to flip me the biggest middle finger. No, of course I can't have the other cryo Knight of Favonious that I main, that would be silly.
I'm still waiting for heizou all this time. I started in 2.8, had to quit since 3.0 bcs of device problems, then came back at 3.8. still hasn't seen heizou's banner once. I really want him, but I think hoyo forgot abt the guy.
I had a break after Nahida's banner during Sumeru, came back to summer event of Sumeru then took a break until Fontaine around 4.2 and I really wanted Kuki & Kaveh. When Kaveh was back on Nilou's banner ended up getting a C2 Nilou before even getting 1 copy of Kaveh, got 2 Kuki somehow before Kaveh so can't complain too much. Getting specific 4 star characters is just awful. I really want to get more copies of certain 4 stars like Cheveruse, but still at c0.
Seriously getting more and more disappointed when I see the four stars. I NEED HEIZOU. WHERE THE HECK IS MY HEIZOU. I always get my hopes up the day before the four stars get revealed hoping that Heizou will be there. This honestly is getting annoying for me because I have wanted Heizou for so long. Standard banner has no chance, so my only hope is the event banners.
I got 4 copies of kirara, 2 ningguangs, 2 dragon banes, a xingqiu, navia, nilou AND keqing BEFORE A SINGLE KAVEH. I managed to get at least one a couple of days ago but HOLY SHIT. I did NOT want ANY of the 5 stars, only wanted kaveh and ended up getting everyone BUT kaveh after 100 wishes. I'm gonna sob
@@youraveragekavehkinnie THERE IS NO NEW BANNERS IN THE OTHERS PLACE WTH AND IM NOT EVEN PULLING THE 5.0 BANNERS CAUSE I HATE ALL THE CHARACTERS IN THEM ONLY THING GOOD IN 5.0 IS THE FREE FIVE STAR AND THE REWARDS IF I DISLIKE 5.1 BANNERS I GUESS IM SAVING ANOTHER MONTH AND I AM NOT PULLING FOR GEO KAZUHA CAUSE I PERSONALLY THINK SHE LOOKS WEIRD SO THE FOUR STARS BETTER BE ONES I LIKE I DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT NOT PULLING FOR TWO MONTHS BUT ITS RATHER ANNOYING BECAUSE I AM STUCK ON THE QUEST WHERE I MUST BEAT CHILDE AND NO TUTORIAL IS HELPFUL
@@TheLast-Winter_Blossom omg I feel u- I hate it when all the banners are the ones I DONT NEED. I mean I guess more time to save but like then all the characters I need end up being in the same patch SOB. I'll probably pull kazuha AND xilonen (I do need an anemo unit I dont have a single good one SOB) and I just think xilonen is pretty, but then I need xianyun as well for my kaveh team and kokomi for my nilou team, and I'm saving for mavuika and capitano- WHERE AM I GONNA GET ALL THE PRIMOGEMS SOBBBB. You're in the liyue archon quest? What specifically are you having trouble with? The childe boss fight itself?
Navia banner actually worked out for me as my first actual whole month playing. (I started in the middle of last month) I got Keqing who I was after, 2 Ningguang’s, 2 Kavehs and Kiara and Navia. So I was happy with my rolls
Something similar with me! Been saving up for her banner and got Navia, Keqing, c2 Kaveh, c2 kirara, and 1 ningguang (in 40-50~ pulls (I lost count) :D)
One thing that happened to me that was the WORST thing that could happen to anyone is that I got Banett at THE END of Sumeru, I played Genshin since the release and only got Bennett AT THE END OF FREAKING SUMERU, I USED TO USE SARAH BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE HIM
I think these are all great ideas bc they did it for the weapon banner bc of tectone, so it makes sense to make it for 4 stars too right? off topic but will you pull for emile?
@@daneddieloayon2701 Meta doesn't matter to me anyway, I just roll for characters I like. And I decided to roll for Mualani the moment she was revealed on the 4.8 livestream, long before anyone knew whether she'd be good. Besides, often times characters are doomposted before their release but then it turns out they're actually not that bad.
my biggest issue with this banner is that it is entireley version 1 four stars, of those xiangling being the only viable character at this point in the game, newer characters arwnt getting representation that they need a deserve and honestly it makes wishing just feel boring to me
I think the reason we see 1.X 4-stars on banner so frequently is bcuz Hoyo wants new players to be able to pull for characters they can actually use right away. It's a good intention for new players but kinda screws over any new 4-stars that will be drowned out for months to a year at a time.
i think they're saving the most wanted 4 star (chevy,heizou,kuki) for natlans banner, because not many people are interested in pulling particularly because of the design, therefore putting the most wanted 4 star can get them to spend some money at least to get them because the chances are really low to get certain 4 star
Back when Charlotte first debuted with Furina and Baizhu, I spent 100 wishes hoping to get at least her C2 before Cyno reran. ....I got both Furina and Baizhu before her C0.
When Scaramouche 1st came with Faruzan i got reallyyyy lucky and i was able to get c5 even tho i didn't get Scaramouche, EVER SINCE HER 1ST BANNER ive been pulling for the last con of faruzan and i still haven't gotten it LITERALLY. i either don't have any primo left to pull anymore or im saving up my pity for the 5* i want and i find it ridiculous how i still haven't gotten that last constellation and she only reruns with anemo dps characters ughhhh.
To be honest I was a bit irritated by everyone talking and complaining again about the 4 stars. I play Genshin for quite a time now, but always had the issue of restarting. Finally this year I got myself an account where I am pretty satisfied and focus on appreciating the game more, bla bla bla. So for me it's nice to see Xiangling again because rolling for Alrecchino only gave me ONE con for her. BUT after hearing you talk about this topic and the issues and thinking about it. It's true. This sucks and can't continue like this. Even for players who are unlucky getting 1.X characters (me who didn't get Fischl so I had to buy her from the shop) it still cannot be it that the SAME characters over and over get a rerun. Heizou is after Kazuha my second favourite Anemo character sitting at C0 for a long time now. Plus I hate how 4 star characters that I really like always appear in 5 star character banners I DON'T want 😩 I loved the ideas you mentioned and I would jump around if they'd really add at least something similar! Maybe the idea you mentioned with the fate points of the event banner could be also done somehow in the standard banner? Like you can choose one of the current 39 characters and after a specific amount of pulls you get them guaranteed (or something else idk) It's just totally frustrating... I do need weapons more, but I feel like I keep getting the SAME weapons over and over and over. Please Hoyoverse do something Oh and one more thing: I enjoyed the sarcasm you added in this video 😂
There is nothing wrong with being happy that a 4 star you want is on the next banner, even if it is that 4 star's third banner in a short time. Everyone has different targets, and in the end it's pretty much impossible for everyone to be happy with the 4 star lineup. But I still wanted to talk about the underlying issue. I'm glad I was able to convince you. It would be nice if they implemented epitomized path for both the character banner and standard banner, but at this point it would be a small miracle if they even did it for one of them. I'm still hopeful, but deep down I don't think they'll make any significant changes to the 4 star gacha system anytime soon - people have been asking for newer characters to get more banners or be put in the shop for quite a while now, so Hoyo is definitely aware of the problem, yet they still haven't done anything about it, instead they just continue making it worse by giving old characters like Xiangling a banner every 2 or 3 patches while Heizou is dead in a ditch (much like Kaveh before him).
As a player who started in 1.2, I have c6 of all the 1.0 characters (excluding Lisa and Amber who are c4, and Kaeya is c6). I have no reason (other than to c6 Lisa and Amber) to spend my starglitter other than secure myself extra wishes. And let's not forget that Chongyun and Sucrose aren't even in the shop rotation despite being 1.0 characters. If they were to add all the 4 stars from 1.x, they'd have a perfect number to add for each month (Chongyun, Sucrose, Diona, Xinyan, Rosaria, Yanfei).
I say put 4-stars permanently into the shop after a while, instead of requiring us to wait half a year for one, and raise purchase limit to 6 so we can C6 them right away if we so choose to. Fate points are also nice.
During the arlecchino banner (sorry if spelled wrong) i got a C2 Lynette and a C1 or C2 xiangling.. i didn't even get 1 just 1 ferminiet! (Sorry for my poor spelling if spelled wrong)
bro ive literally been pulling for standart banner only for 3 months already, cause theres no 4stars i want.. thats really crazy, like theres so many good 4star characters whicih only had about 2 reruns and hoyo keep putting free or BENNET characters.. like whats the problem /btw i even got few (on standart)😭 ig my luck is crazy (sayu, charlotte c1, kirara)
The character choice on banners is always related to either running event content or more rarely new content in general. Because of the new player experience and because they don't want characters to collect dust, older units are seen in event content more often creating the influx of older units on the banners. Getting a certain featured 4* takes already on average around 40 pulls while a featured 5* takes 62,5 pulls. The 4* paradox is just feelscraft. However if we include that many 4* units need constellations (Faruzan, Kaveh just to name a few really bad ones) then we are talking. The 50/50 odds of getting character or weapon on character banner are more tailored towards weapons because after the featured rule, the next strongest rule is the 2-1 rule (which states that after getting 2 characters in a row you will a weapon and vice versa). I would like the changes you suggested added to the game however I don't think it will be added because then there isn't a unlimited upper spending for whales. Also I think we almost have an equal amount of 4* and 5* in the game. This just adds to the "4*-paradox". 4* are a lot easier to obtain because they are given away in certain points in the game, events and how the shop and gacha works however the amount of needed constellations and overall characters in the game just make it harder to get your head around. Also I have a deep hate for anyone who says Kaveh is a viable character. You get him for his personality and his 3rd passive and nothing more. He is borderline unplayable until c6 and even with it he isn't a good option in his best teams.
not to mention xiangling was literally JUST IN THE SHOP
I wasted my starglitter to get her c6 just for me to get her c8 in the arlecchino banner.....
but who actually wastes their glitter on that shit
only characters for who the shop matters are amber lisa and kaeya tho, so xiangling in shop doesnt mean anything
That's not the point @@BladeDevil
No because literally why
At this point Xiangling is becoming the new rerun archon
😨 don't tell me she will be like the archon of reruning with archons and the archon of furries... and get her second story quest before venti
She deserves it because if you build her right then she is overpowered
@@-Animat3d- just remembered guoba is a God, so archon.. ?!
@@BLAKE-213Yeah, she's good. But at this point, many players hv already got her c6 and still hv no characters that didnt got rerun
@@amersolihin you get a refund from Paimon shop so it wasn't too bad
"His name is Heizou in case you forgot" LMAOO this really shows how Hoyo forgot about him ngl 😭😭
heizou hasn’t been out since version 3 he’s 1 of the only 4 4 stars I need to own every single four star I’m hoping he comes back in 5.0
Besides Heizou, Mika is the only 4 star, who got no rerun during the Fontaine banners... (after Kavehs resurrection :D )
And here i am... Waiting to C6 my C1 Heizou i got long time ago.
He's the only 4 star I don't have. I spent 50 wishes on kazuhas banner to get him, and nothing. I wanted to him so bad that I got wrio as a replacement 😭😭😭
@@nello7466 and I hope he never comes back 😭😭
This reminded me of the time Heizou released, I wanted him SO BAD.
60 something pulls, 1 kazuha, 1 mona, c5 ningguang, AT LEAST C3 thoma, not a SINGLE heizou. I was devastated.
Got my first Heizou after 173 pulls T_T
My 2nd Heizou I was lucky on the weapon banner (so he doesn't really count into statistics of rate-up banners). My 3rd one was "easy" again, only 48 pulls in 3.2.
Now then, it didn't end there... To get the last 4 Cons I needed ANOTHER (exactly) 300 pulls in 3.7... which means I needed a total of 521 pulls to pull Heizou 6 times (to make him c6). That means I needed a total of ~87 pulls on average per Heizou on a banner he was rate-up on... Being a Heizou Main has been wild and I am honestly glad I got to make him c6 on the last banner he was on...
The only positive thing for me was that he had been Kazuha's banner two times, whom I wanted to make c6 as well. So I had been saving for him anyways.
I really hope Hoyo is going to do something about 4 Stars because it has been really frustrating for me so far... xD
heizou wanters will become heizou havers, I wish you luck in getting him if you haven't already
i'm lucky to have c6'ed him a long time ago, i got lucky at his second run. hope you get him in the future 🙏
I got c2 kazu while trying to get heizou TT
i spent 140 pulls on chiori banner to get gorou for my itto, i didnt get gorou
but i did get c5 dori c4 yunjin 2 off banner 4 stars and chiori
gorou then got the free event in the next patch.
ALL they need to do is put like 8 characters in the shop every month, shuffling it. like it’s such an easy fix
its mihoyo --- they are greedy -- it will never change
We still have that garbage 4 star weapons on shop that no1 talks abauth any more as they know they suck.
Day 1273 of asking paimon shop to be updated.
Nope, its a gatcha for a reason. Better start swiping before fono gets you.
@@kash1Mz There's fomo, then there's bad banner design. It's not even a guarantee to get the one 4* you want since they're not in the shop either
@@CM_684 See, we think its a bad design - for Mihomo its working as intended. You want change? Instead of essays, stop spending and playing. Although to be fair - the only market they care about Cn anyway.
When Wanderer was first released I had about 350 pulls saved because he is one of my favorite characters and since he needs faruzan to work well I was pretty confident that this amount would be enough to get a decent chunk of her cons as well (in my dream of dreams I dared be optimistic for even a c6). In the end I got c3 wanderer and can we guess how many faruzans. because the answer is one. and that one towards the final pulls. absolutely ridiculous
Hahaha, i got 1 faruzan. But I didn't even want her, I easily won c3 from Beidou and Layla (I only use her) but I had few pulls. Around 67. Thank you for sharing your experience because I'm also trying to get the wanderer constellation
Same thing happen with Sayu and Yoimiya. I didn't want Yoimiya, I only pulled for Sayu. Ended up getting a C1 Yoimiya and not a single Sayu.
SAME, i also spent a lot of wishes on that banner but i didn't get her AT ALL
it does seem like on wanderer's banner she tends to not want to come home xD I was fortunate enought to c6 her on xianyun's and nahida's banner in 200 pulls, I spend around 350 pulls on this last wanderer banner, got his c0, c1 and c2, faruzan only appeared 3 times during those pulls, I c6-ed layla and beidou (layla from c0 and I didnt have beidou previously) within 300 pulls bcs of that xD
I got c6 faruzan and lost 50/50 on wanderer 😭
I hope they can have a 4-star selector feature in their permanent banner or any banner, because there are already many 4-star characters, so it's very difficult to get the characters you want.
You hope too much. They'll never do that. Kuro games might but not the Jenshin. They own this stuff
Way too generous of them. Mind you, Genshin is their only game that still has an absolutely godawful, irredeemable piece of shit of a weapon banner to this very day - they still haven't updated it even after the release of Star Rail and Zenless with way better systems - if they haven't even done that, four star selector is definitely never coming.
@@vladdyru Yeah they should at least change it to 1 pity having to loose twice to get pity is ridiculous.
This is why KUROgames is love:
1. A ranks and s ranks are released separately in punishing gray raven and a perma selector is always present for a ranks, weapons, Cubs and uni frames.
Despite the differences in gameplay, it’s a perfect way to drastically clean out clutter and not have todo much on revisiting old stuff when trying to pad out new limited banners.
Which this crap really screams hard for signature weapons and even special 4 star weapons.
And punishing gray raven still has the exchange shop to let you melt duplicates of maxed out on units and a mostly unrestricted frag farm of 2 a day for each a rank that can magnify owning multiple a ranks to max triple s plus to scrap frags at 3 frags a frag of choice for the stamina surplus burners.
Ultimately, mihoyo wants to keep forcing that FOMO to panick spend instead of making it easy to catch up.
This is why honkai impact 3rd is a shite show of FOMO pains in general even years back.
Meanwhile wuthering waves not only giving away so many 5 star units and ease of acquistion of weapons, it makes the gap of acquistion absurdly different, despite it and gen’stingie both use the 50/50 pull banner.
@@BladeSerphIf you’re gonna bring up Wuwa at least be honest about their generosity. Free 5 stars is because of how much they flopped on release for mobile players, another free 5 star for some reason is clearly for player retention in a dead patch when Genshin has its biggest patch of the year and the weapon banner is guaranteed because you’re expected to get them for each 5 star. There’s a huge difference between a 4 star and 5 star weapon in Wuwa so that kinda evens out the whole guaranteed weapon part, in Genshin the difference isn’t so massive.
Not to mention that some four stars are locked to 5 star characters like Gorou is only on the itto banner.
RIGHT AND KUJOU SARA WITH RAIDEN
I only got him last event too 😢
Gorou is a support for a mono geo, there aren't many geo DPSs in general and there's only maybe 3 geo DPSs, itto, Noelle and navia. Only itto is suitable for mono geo nowadays. Navia kit basically encourages double geo only while Noelle best teams have furina
And Chev looks like she is gonna be tied to Raiden, her first release being a double rerun which is atrocious. The whales pay Hoyo’s bills and that level of disrespect to them is horrible.
@@RandomPerson-cf3gtYeah, but some people don't want 5 star constellations. So good luck getting C6 Gorou without getting Itto
There's a JP streamer who whaled on Yoimiya's and Raiden's banner just for C6 Chevreuse. All it took him was 5 5*s, 59,680 primogems, and his mentality.
His chat was spamming シュヴLOSE every time he didn't get Chevy. Literally he pulled a Diluc with 2 Bennys and a Sara in just a 10 pull.
So he spent 9 and half million primogems? Damn
@@cmonbruh6636 Actually he spent 373 wishes, I made a mistake and said 59,680 wishes instead mb lol. But well you still get how painful wishing for 4*s is.
They intentionally reduces the chances to get newest 4* characters, but massively increases the one that you already at C6.
So it's not just me huh
there is also an arab streamer who got five cons of scara just to get C6 faruzan
"I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Xiangling. I try to play Diluc. My Xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Yoimiya. My Xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Cyno. My Xiangling deals more damage. I don't even try to play Dehya. I want to play Klee. Her best team has Xiangling. I want to play Raiden, Childe - they both want Xiangling. She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the Catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull Engulfing Lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs Bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with Homa." I can't pull for Homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs Gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in her eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world."
How I felt after seeing the lineup.
you're the funniest person ever
"You expected this to be a normal conversation, but it all ties back to Xiangling."
"BOOM! Xiangling"
"You open a door? BOOM! Xingling"
"You wake up in the middle of the night, roll over and expect to see your wife next to you, but it's not your wife. It's Xiangling."
Dehya for real might be the solution...........
honestly at this point you should call the millelith or the tenryou comission or even idk the trucking fbi
Amber is our only hope
(SATIRE)
The 4 star Paradox is real, I had to go for c1 Wanderer for c6 Faruzan (I already had c5 before i even started pulling). I went 145 pulls without a single damn Faruzan. 145.
pretty sure some 4stars are shortprinted (a term from yugioh). which means no matter what rarity, to get that specific card/character is more difficult/rarer than other cards/characters.
happend to me as well, feel‘ya bro 🫂
same here. c2 wanderer for c6 faruzan and my c3 raiden (i refuse to go further) still only has c5 sara. Probably something similar in my hopes for c6 chevy. But its fine. i'm happy to completely skip sara, c1 chevy is fine already, and my c2 wanderer is one of my stronger teams now~.
I went from not having Kokomi to C2 Kokomi for 1 copy of Rosaria...
I got her 170 pulls later and quit... fuck that shit.
i did 120 pulls on Raiden and got a single Bennett
Not me sitting on c2 wanderer and c3 faruzan
i got 8 ninguangs, 3 kaves and 0 kiraras this banner, the summer event gave me the only kirara copy so far
I've literally got C1 ningguang and C0 kaveh, NO KIRARA. *NO.KIRAWRAWR*
i have 8 kiraras and only 2 kavehs. i wish we could exchange
Give me those ningguangs and take my damn kiraras
80 pulls, 1 Kirara. This was my luck for the other times she dropped too...
I got double 5 star when I wanted kirara and Kaveh well I didn’t really get any 4 star characters this is sad
It feels like they purposely code this into the game. “Oh the entire player base wants Kaveh? Let’s rig the banner into giving you a 0.000001% to get him! We want our money!”
Usually I pull on standard and get the 4 star I needed after a while. That’s how I got Heizou
I think the reason why they haven’t done this already is as simple as- they want their money and encourage you to spend it to get even a singular copy of a 4 star
When will they learn that people are more likely to spend money on things they *enjoy?* 😓
If paying money at least *guaranteed* the thing you want, instead of just arbitrarily increasing your odds, I think a lot more people would be willing to apens money instead of calling it quits, getting sad, and inching ever closer to just abandoning the game like many already have
@@MxPokirby I agree! Hoyo is just screwing their own game over. Incidents like C6 Kazuha from Zy0x, Soluna and the Kaveh video, and many other players who despite spending a TON of money or saved up for super long only to get a singular copy of Kuki, Faruzan, etc? It’s diabolical.
still no Kavehs after 50ish pulls, 3 Ningguang and 2 Kirara in that span, system is so fucked
@@MxPokirbybecause that's not really how it works. For example people think that Wuwa fast paced exploration adds more enjoyment to the game versus Genshins slow traversal
But by playing to a a gamers wishes to expedite the process your taking away there ability to be absorbed In the setting.
Same with Gamba making it easier to get multiple 4 Star constellation doesn't make people happier it just lowers there value.
You now no longer have that anticipation you basically start to ignore the purple and only care about the gold.
The truth is that players don't actually know what's best only know what they might enjoy. Player want more skins but then you get HI3 issue where skins feel cheap because there throwing them at you every patch
If whales didn’t exist or were few in number, they might would improve the system, but if people are spending money…
8:47 there is a reason. The 4 stars are used to increase the value of the banners. A Kokomi banner with Xingque and Fischl is much better than with Kirara and Mika. It's a very dirty tactic considering how many 4 stars are in the game and how slowly they re run because of that but Hoyo is a very greedy company, especially the Genshin team, so it's not a surprise they haven't added any new 4 stars to shop
every gacha company is fucking greedy. stop acting like this is exclusive to hoyo.
also saying the genshin devs are the most greedy when the fucking hi3 devs powercreep everything into oblivion every 4 months or so to get you to continue wasting money on these dogshit glorified casinos is so crazy dawg
@@justsomeguy727 I've never said this is exclusive to Hoyo though. I was just reinforcing my point
@@justsomeguy727 While the main subject is Genshin, don’t be too offended for them. They’re greedy, simple as that. The anniversaries proved it, multiple banners proved it, and even the “genshit could never” meme from HSR players proved it. That’s why they’re adding these tiny little QOL things and for two anniversaries in a row, they’ve given more than they wanted to initially. They want to get extra money and give you crumbs. It’s just unfortunate that Genshin, the biggest Gacha right now, does it at this level.
Funny enough, Hi3 has way too many units for me to keep up with. But, even I know that trying to grab all of them is a death wish for one’s wallet and to focus on my regular lineup unless new mechanics are made for the game. “Power creep” should really just be a thing when a unit introduces a new mechanic or does the same thing as, at least, two different characters but better (HSR’s Huo Huo being better than Luocha/Tingyun or Aventurine being better than March 7th/Gepard by miles) and the chances to pull that character is manipulated to the point of getting at least only one copy without opening a wallet. None of these are Nikke. We’re still fine amidst all of this.
Genshin favors the 1.0 4 stars I've noticed. and I am getting sick of it. They're very good 4stars. but Hoyoverse needs to spread the attention a bit more.
Also Hoyoverse please put more 4 stars in the shop. We should every 4 star from the 1.0 and 2.0 patches in the shop (imo)
even though most of the 4 stars rn are trash n too niches
favours 1.0 4 stars apart from fischl WHERE IS SHE ON THE BANNERS 😭😭😭😭😭
@@cawewe I literally never see chongyun and fishl on banners it drives me crazy
dawg i havent used 1.0 four stars outside of beidou for my clorinde . yall just THINK they are favored cause of all the information you consume online but if you take some time to think for yourselves, you just might see you can very well ignore those characters and build plenty of comps that dont care for having any of them
@@vengeancewillbemine2104 oh no character isnt overly generic and splashable into every team comp they must be terrible!
you people really dont think for yourselves holy shit
It became evident a long time ago, back when Kirara was first released that 4 star characters are the real trap. I don’t care about 4 stars anymore. Only pull for the 5 star you want and pretend 4 stars don’t exist, simple as that.
Actually id say it was evident ever since Yanfei released, it wasnt as bad since there wasnt alot of characters on standard but my point remains everyone was getting 5stars before 1 copy of Yanfei, its been an issue for ages people are only realizing now since their favourites arent on banners
@@VamptreI finally got my c1 yanfei after three years. Three :'(
ITS BEEN FIVE MONTHS AND TO THIS DAY I DONT HAVE A SINGLE FISHL OR XINQUI TO MY NAME
Edit: I love how this comment ticks away and gets a response every now and then thanks yall
I don't have a fishl either T_T
It’s been 2 years for me😢
I've been playing since 1.0
in 1.0 I believe there was an event that gave fischl as a free character. I was stupid and dumb and too busy exploring to do the event, so I missed out on the ficshl. that was the biggest mistake I have made playing this game, because I have never gotten a single copy of her. EVER. WHERE IS SHE. PLEASE. IM SO TIRED
@@aviess9701 get her from the shop she is guaranteed there
I’ve been playing for 3 years and JUST got c1 fischl
Mika was forgotten Same with razor till now
The three Eula mains that still standing remember him
💪('ω'💪)
I’ve been waiting for razor for so longgg
@@NekonyOwO I'm present! Mika is just so complementary for her, if you don't have Broken Pines.
I think mica will only rerun with physical dps banners now like how gorou only reruns with itto and faruzan with anemo dps banners. The only problem is that eula is locked in the basement / in chronicle
@@kiidan its a he
2:39 well, no. chronicle banner actually allows to obtain 4stars in its pool with a much higher chance than in standard banner. For last chronicle there were only mondstadt characters and mondstadt weapons, including kaeya-amber-lisa.
The only thing I wish for is that they would put chronicle at least twice a year. But right now it seems like it would be a X.5 special banner.
It'd be nice if the Chronicled Banner(s) was permanent. And maybe even removed its featured characters from the Standard banner, unsure.
Sadly it was so short and all wishes i had i put into Beacon. So no Lisa/Kaeya for me 😢
Yeah I can see the shop being updated as the likeliest fix but Genshin devs don’t listen lol.
oh they listen, but they implement it into hsr or zzz instead
@@personkellthose are different devs.
Star rail devs listen to genshin players lmao
It doesn't matter if they listen or not, they are too big to fail at this point. CN players will keep spending on them regardless, they are not the type that care about improvement or anything, as long as genshin didn't nerf anyone.
@personkell yeah lets just completely disregard the fact that we got qol a ton of people have been asking for every patch over the last year
I don't know about ZZZ but HSR devs has lately been disappointing so it isn't just Genshin devs making stupid mistakes.
IM 160 PULLS IN WHERE IS MY KAVEH😡😡😡😡
And that's exactly why I made this video. 160 is enough for two 5-stars. It really shouldn't take that long to get a single 4 star. I hope you get him soon.
Oh gosh. I have C2 Kaveh let me give you one
I have c5 Kaveh you can have them all
I have C6 now. I wish you luck with him, he's incredible
Got hin c6 in his first banner, ~170 pulls, only 1 fischel, still lvl 20. But atm I build all my C6 4*
She was literally in ARLECCHINO bro.. WHY NOT CHEVREUSE???
Chev is still the only 4 star I don't have bc I skipped those banners 😭😭😭😭 I thought she'd come back with arle but nooo...
@@ax_xton IKR i wish she was in Arlecchino and Clorinde's Banner cause they're the characters that can be meta with Oveload cause they can actually chase the enemies when they get overloaded 😭😭😭
Bro, I was praying for Chevreuse to be on Emilie's banner since I somehow got her when wishing on Clorinde's banner. I need those cons, man. 😭
Hey guys guess what, they actually frckn leak the 4 stars in the 5.0 livestream and it's fckng bad
OMG I REALLY WANT CHEV SHES SO PRETTY
It's a smart (and anti consumer) business practice. By making some 4 stars really rare, people are more likely to pull on a feature for a 4 star, which has 0 guarantee. I saw someone in these comments here saying they've done 130 pulls for Kaveh and still nothing. Thats an absolute win to Hoyo.
And they didn’t even want the 5*
This is why I only wish if I want the 5*
whhhhaaaaaaat? gacha games being anti consumer ? na no way!
In card games, we call this short printing. Making something really rare to get, in this case a 4*, sucks for the consumer. But, the company benefits because it either makes the set (banner) expensive or the card (unit) itself even more expensive.
I pulled 150 times, got the featured 5 star and still only ONE Kaveh. At least I was lucky that I managed to get one copy.
i think they should change it so that the 4 star characters can be bought with starglitter on their birthday months and make it so you can buy 2 of the characters instead of only 1
Playing for around 3 years now, to this day I still haven't gotten a single Heizou to complete my 4 Star collection. I am begging u to put him on a banner Hoyo🙏
if i could i would give u one of my copies I have c1 of him (from standerd)
C6 one here and i barely use him......i just keep getting him offbanner.
Same with kuki ... she F me on navia banner, when i was trying for kirara cons.
I need 2 more Heizous to c6 pls hoyo maybe 5.0 with Kazuzu?
I think it's more about your luck than how much time you spend in the game. That's why they called gacha game XD
I decided to not pull on some banner to get Charlotte and since then I'm Charlotte-less 😭 the only 4 star I'm missing I think
one frustrating thing abt their refusal to rerun newer 4 stars is that 4 stars, especially newer ones, are balanced around players eventually getting their c6, and some like faruzan and candace basically need their c6 to be playable. most older players have c6s on most of the earlier 4 stars. ive been playing since 1.4, and all of my 1.x units are c6 besides xinyan and the starter units, my lowest con 2.x unit is c2, and my 3.x and 4.x units range from c0 to c6 (but only lynette and collei are c6). id love to get cons on a lot 4 stars, some to play in a specific team (like arle vape with c6 candace) but a lot just for the sake of collection. like im so sick of seeing 1.x and 2.x units on banners when i think most ppl want units they dont have maxxed out
I find it funny how I have a C6 Candace and Xinyan and hate the wish banner for it 😭 (I can't remember who I was rolling for when I got Candace)
I pulled for Mualani day one of banner update and while I got a single copy of her, I pulled a second Kachina and WAY TOO MANY XINYAN. She must want to be one the team because I already had her C6 like two years ago. I can’t use my C20 Xinyan anywhere.
I think its bcus emilie is a burn unit and xiangling is like the best pyro applier but yea, holy hell they need to stop.
It's because dehya and thoma are the ONLY other pyro off fielders.. and every other pyro is on field. So the devs refuse to give options the same way siegwinne should of been a 4 star but made her 5 because "hydro"
@@nobody-xh6ii hoyo reading this and deciding to make the archon a pyro claymore onfield dps.
@@nobody-xh6ii Siegwinne as a 4 star hydro healer that can get cons, would be seen as a better Charlotte. Instead she is just the worst limited 5 star in the game (maybe Albedo is worse but he came from another era).
Cant wait for a Freminet rerun and get C6 of everyone except him! (and he will have Kaveh treatment probably)
He was in 4.6 only i think
@@SillyYuko he better be in the 5. Banners I’m literally skipping most of the banners for him also I literally hate the 5.0 banners I like kazuha but I can get him some other time
250 wishes total to c6 Gorou. Took me 3 Itto's banners to achieve that.
Also me, getting 3 Kukies in a row from the standard banner. You can't even imagine how low is the chance of that happening.
This game is weird.
I had C2 kaveh thanks to the standard banner
It's not weird; it's gambling, quite literally. The game around is just to give you the impression that it isn't. What's weird is that people think they're not gambling.
318 wishes for Chevreuse c6
lol I have c5 gorou and don't even use him
13 months without Kuki Shinobu for me. She was featured once on the rather awful Ayato/Cyno banner, and while I did risk some ~20 pulls despite not wanting either 5-star, she obviously didn't come. As I do not really want Raiden, I have yet to properly experience the "most f2p friendly" team build of hyperbloom after more than a full year of play.
That team is overrated. Yeah it deals damage, but its very easy to die in it. And no it will not help you in current abyss .. i tried XD
@@Bullminator The current abyss was my second 36-star abyss, cleared mainly through Keqing aggrevate and the newly pulled Nilou bloom, with Ayaka freeze coming in where necessary. Keqing in particular can be a die-a-lot team, so I can probably deal with hyperbloom too. It's just a bit silly that I'm running my favourite unit (Nahida) in everything except her poster team because a 4-star just won't come.
Just pull for Raiden Shogun in 5.0. She is much better and confortable than Kuki in hyperbloom teams.
Do you perhaps have Dori c6? 😂 It is not great but it is honest -work- hyperbloom.
@@marinalima8562But Kuki is a healer so if you run shogun u need yaoyao 😭 (I don't have her)
This is basically what happened to me when Wanderer first came out. I got C3 Wanderer by the time I had C6 Faruzan. It was a problem then. And it’s only gotten worse since.
Meanwhile me.............got c6 faruzan from standard/weapon banner and limited weapon banner random rolls... I dont even have a dps anemo unit.
Never rolled once when she was on banner as it was anways that anoying boy.
I swear to god that since the day Sayu came out in the game I'm trying to get her, every chance I get, because I find her gameplay so funny and stupid.
To this day I don't have Sayu and this situation became a joke and frequent comment in my group of friends and I'm tired of it.
It's ridiculous the amount of bad luck I have and there's nothing I can do about it.
Waiting for a sayu rerun too :((
Me but with Rosaria
Xiao was one of my first five stars, and you know who Xiao works great with? SUCROSE. I got Xiao on his second rerun, and I have NEVER pulled a SUCROSE in the YEARS of pulling.
this issue could easily be solved by changing the mf starglitter shop, adding more 4* characters and letting it rotate consistently, heck or even letting us pick any 4* at any point ever from that shop. most gachas have some sort of sparking system that lets you choose any character from the standard poll after they have been out for long enough mf hoyo
YES FINALLY, WHY DOES GENSHIN NOT GIVE 4*'S THEIR JUSTICE
I mean they put 4 stars we dont want with 5 stars we do.
And the 4 stars we do want they put with reruns and less popular 5 stars.
Its just a big scam to always have people spending money
I keep getting xiangling even if she isn't on the banner... imagine now when her banner comes 🌚🌚🌚
I wish you the best on getting c24 Xiangling where she will finally reveal her true form as the real Pyro Archon and beat the sh*t our of Mavuika 😇🙏📿
Same but with Faruzan, I keep getting her on random banners instead of the 4 star I want🙃
Me with Barbara
I think my xiangling is now C34 or something.
That’s absolutely horrible 😭
Spend about 180 pulls on banners with Kuki... Still don't have any Kuki 💀
Anyway, this point was in the short *list of what longtime Genshin players have been asking* for...
Here it is if you wanna take a look:
- Standard *5-star character selector* after xxx amount of wishes, *retroactive* _(already implemented in Honkai Star Rail)_
- Add *3 extra 10-pulls* (cost: 8 fates) to the *beginner's banner* and make the *50th pull a guaranteed standard 5-star* character. _(HSR already implemented this)_
- *Epitomized Path for 4-stars* and more characters/weapons in the Starglitter shop
- Option to *save a few artifacts sets and weapons per character* as loadout, especially for "main characters" Aether/Lumine, one for each element type+add option to change element anywhere in overworld _(already implemented in Honkai Impact 3)_
- *Advanced SOLO AND CO-OP permanent combat challenges (Endgame)* with customizable difficulty, buffs, de-buffs, time, HP, etc. But also *more casual challenges like HSR “Simulated Universe”* _(it was already done in events such as : Hypostatic Symphony 2021/01/16, Legend of the Vagabond Sword 2021/06/25, Labyrinth Warriors 10/21/21…)_
- *Resin overflow system* + resin capacity and condensed resin capacity increase
- *Optional old events (DLC)* to be re-playable for *new players* and be able to experience *hidden/missed lore* and *mini-games* _(plus an option to read previous story dialogues)_
- A way for *new players to acquire old event character signature weapons* in a shop
- *More options and quality of life updates for every type of players* such as; Teapot load limit increase, more in game character emote and pose for role-players, more options for content creators with UI(hide user interface) and advanced audio/video settings(un-cap FPS), *skip the entire dialogue option for speedrunners*
- *Togglable constellations* for content creators, testers or people who want to try challenges
- Clear *buff indicators with cool-downs* in the UI(user interface) and *hp bar for shields*
- *Retire the day locked domains for weapons and talents materials*
- *Add controller support for Android devices*
- *FIX DEHYA.* Then address the *bug reports* on characters like Eula, Mona, Xinyan etc
- *More rewards* for the free to play, more than just *3 pulls for 3 years*
Thank you genuinely for this comment, I don't interact with the Genshin community as much outside of the game aside from consuming UA-cam content and I've been playing for 3 years. It makes me feel comforted knowing I wasn't the only one complaining about these EXACT things, nearly word for word. It is still crazy to me that they feel like they can have these features in their other games, just because they have a bias over those games. It really leaves Genshin players feeling like we're missing out :( and they're very basic accommodations and changes!! (imo)
That’s damn cinnabar sword is the sole reason why I won’t be pulling albedo despite me liking his character 💔
Thank you for mentioning the teapot, as a teapot user it's a pain to always reach the load just by placing two trees, some bushes and some animals.
Thank you as well, genuinely too... If you saw some of the dismissive replies I got for voicing this... Well let's just say some are very adamant to keep the status quo.
Sadly those points have been requested for (~3)years and we never got much of anything.
Only recently Hoyo got somewhat of a competition, so they start to give us drops of QOLs like: the option to read previous dialogues, hide user interface, and a small bump on resin cap...
Then there is the Theater... Ngl, it's a disappointment since it's just a solo circle fight mini-game with way too much restriction and not enough repeatability to have fun imo.
It is truly saddening to have so much potential in a game but it seem that it's only treated as a slot machine for addicts first, then a game as an afterthought.
Hopefully someone at Hoyo wakes up and start to change things around, but that's probably hopium as everyone loves to tells me. T^T
@ryokyko gosh, i relate so hard!! Imaginarium theater is neat, but it definitely just feels like another thing they added to say "see! We add content for end-game players. We care about you!" While proving that they absolutely do not care in the slightest because our requests for change take literal years to come into fruition - if ever.
I think the competition coming up has only proven to be a good thing and I hope it gets them into action more. Because it's getting a lot harder to play. Just the fact that it took them until very recently to cap the resin to a 25 hour clock at least so you dont have to constantly be on, worrying about your resin cap is insane to me on it's own.
Never mind that there isn't nearly enough resin for the sheer amount of characters resin needs anymore, with everyone's talents, level raising, and the god-forsaken artifacts which are still entirely out of our favor. I had to farm Itto's domain for over a year just to end up with a predominantly Atk% build because i got SO unlucky about getting Def% on any of his items. It needs a change, everything listed needs a change.
I practically spam whoever is behind the genshin surveys with all of our pleas, hoping I'm not the only one saying something. It's sad that I may have to drop this game again some day, as I already came back a few months ago from a year-long burnout break but the more peoole willing to speak out on it. The more they might listen (I hope), it doesnt help that they don't care about their western audience and our strongest voices (predominantly streamer whales) dont feel a lot of the pain of dealing with some of these issues.
I dont know. Despite that, I like to keep up hope! Maybe even if it is just a bit of coping or "hopium" as you stated lol. But I'm also autistic so it's been a comfort game since day one of me playing, and it's a lot harder for me to switch to similar games because change is hard for neurodivergent folks. I stand strong for the changes we need though, and I hope we get it because we deserve a game that listens!!
I started playing after Fontaine came out. It would be really cool if Hoyo added event weapons to the store so that new players could get them.
I personally did just start genshin like a month ago so im pretty happy with Xiangling but I understand the frustration.
As a new player it's great you can get her to C4, but when you've played over a year you'll find pulling her annoying, I'm probably c100 on her by now, yet someone like Heizou I have 0 and even Kaeya after 2 years he's still c0 Lisa c1 amber c0
@@michealrosen I totally understand that, bro, but I think it's necessary to rerun important 4-stars more often for newer players. I will probably experience your pain soon enough, and I personally think four stars should be more flexibly accessible anyway, but it is what it is.
Eventually you'll get tired of seeing her on banners too, don't worry
General rule when to comes to most gachas I've played, if you ever feel like any mechanic feels designed to inconvenience you, and the only way to solve it is to spend money, it's probably intentional.
Stuff like this 4 star paradox might not have been planned from the beginning, but they'll keep it around anyway because they know it bugs people and tempts them to spend money. That's how they gacha
2:07 xiangling is now officially in house of heart
Madam Faruzan.....😭
Heizou...😭😭
XINGQIU😭😭😭
KAAEEYYAAAA 😭😭😭😭
I was WAY too lucky Kaveh chose me on Nilou banner ..
BUT I DONT OWN 1 COPY OF NINGGUANG
Why do you forget mika?
I have c6 kirara c6 ningguan, c0 nilou and 6 other randoms 4 stars including weapons, all of that just for a c0 kaveh😃 now i'm in soft pity waiting for yelan banner
I got more Nilous than Ningguang + Kirara combined. It's ridiculous that that can occur on something aside from hilarious luck (And yes, I did have hilarious luck on this banner getting 4 Nilous and a Dehya in like 90 pulls but still).
I wanted Xiphos' Moonlight for my boi Kazuha and Nilou but they kept giving me the damn Bell and Eye of Perception. SO FCKN USELESS. NOT ONE SINGLE COPY OF XIPHOS 😭😭😭
i wanted c6 kirara since i already got some of her copies this banner but instead c2 ninggusng and c1 kaveh arrives.
@@airtempest8945 all i wanted was a c2 kaveh, i won the 50/50 with nilou and now i'm poor, i just wait to won the 50/50 with yelan
@@daneddieloayon2701 what a bad luck
I actually thought about this today because I'm saving up for Iansan, who seems to be a 4 star(I really hope I'm wrong!). And it's so sad because in that case, it's more difficult to get her than whatever 5 star will be on her banner. Anyway, maybe we all should write those suggestions for the next patch survey?
I’m also saving for Iansan! I believe she is a 4star? Idk either way I can’t wait to pull for ‘em!
@@PVNKSHEEP IANSAN NATION RISE!!!
I can't stress enough how I need a Freminet rerun, Candace rerun, Ga-ming, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY A TIGHNARI RERUN. SERIOUSLY HOYO I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM IN SO LONG.
Tighnari is a standard banner 5-star now, he will never have a rerun sadly.
Tighnari won't Rerun anymore, just Like Dehya, they're in the standard banner now
@@pablitxows That's seriously so annoying of Hoyo, no wonder I haven't seen or even gotten him once.. he's basically a rarity now 🤦🏽♀️☹️
@@pc_txears you can still get him by losing a 50/50 but its the same problem with 4-stars, no way to guarantee the specific one you want, still dont have him
Same, I didn’t manage to get them on the Alre/Lyney banner and the Sige/Furina banner and I hate that I didn’t manage to get them because they’re characters I really like😭😭😭 and now I’m losing my chance to get Nilou as the week progresses
on itto first banner i did 100 pulls , i got 1 gorou.... and 6 barbaras( i wanted gorou cause im gorou main and have him tripple crowned and i started at c0 barbara)
and by totaly random chance i got kaveh one version before mihoyo left him from jail TWICE. once by loosing on event banner and one on standard banner . and it happend one after another.
this is too much rng to much my liking
I have been lucky enough to get at least one copy of almost every 4*. The only ones i don't have are xinyan, mika and sucrose. The first two i don't care about, but i'd really like to have a sucrose :(. I think she's adorable and i've heard she can be good.
Sucrose is very good, but if you have Kazuha she's kind of redundant. Ofc she works in many similar teams and her taser team is good, but you can always find a Kazuha variant that's similar or better. I'd like to have a Mika just for collection purposes, but as the video discusses, getting one is nearly impossible unless he just happens to be on the same banner as a 5 star I want and even then.... took me 150 wishes for c1 Charlotte on her first banner, fortunately I only got the one 5 star I wanted on it..
@@deathmetalalchemist5861lol i got mika in the standard banner. Kaveh took me 10 pulls. The last 4 star u dont have is chongyun because i didnt play the game when he reran
Xiangling is the Harbinger, the Pyro Archon, the Meta and Hoyo's favorite.
She's born in the banner, molded by it.
I stopped playing the game for almost 2 years, came back during Arle banner dropped. So geeked to hopefully get those strong new 4 star units that came while I'm not playing the game but Hoyo keep putting 4 star units that i have in C6 for 3 years now 🤣
im hoping charlotte or chevruse wont get kaveh’s treatment😭
and about navia/nilou banner I was lucky to get c2/c3 for each of the 4* considering I didn’t even got them before the banners (really wanted kaveh). And got navia! But dam I remember pulling on Neuvilette’s banner and getting ONLY barbara (I hate her 😢). Well. I’ll wait for charlotte’s rerun for a year.. at least she’ll be on maternity leave..
9:51 They made it harder. I tried for Sigewinne for the whole month an even Firena and i didn't win either of them An i spent $80 bucks on the game for wishes. So when i finally got a 5 star it was Diluc. I had a greater chance of getting him than the character on the Banner. I quit. It should be a garenteed chance on 30 wishes to get at least 2 5 stars an one of them should be the one on the banner.
I got a c2 Itto chasing a c6 Gouro.
To be fair, Itto is canonically chasing Gorou too :p
I'm a newer player, and I remember during Arleccino's banner, I wanted to get Freminet because I really wanted to try a Superconduct team. So after ~100 pulls, I got Arleccino, 1 Lynette, 1 Sacrificial Sword... and 4 FUCKING XIANGLINGS. I C6'D XIANGLING BEFORE I PULLED FREMINET ONCE.
Edit: spelling errors
1:25 Babur 💀💀
Bro Changed her religion 💀🔥
FR MAN LIKE I WAS PULLING FOR KAVEH AND GOT 3 FIVE STAR CHARACTERS
big agree with epitomized path for 4*s
also hope they solve the 5* rerun distribution cus we also havent seen Ganyu since kaveh's release... and Shenhe even longer ago... despite both getting skins in 4.4 :c
The fact that when you get 2 4star characters in a row the next/3rd will guarantee a 4star weapon and vise versa
So in every 30 pulls you're atleast guaranteed 1character 2weapons or vise versa
oh but it doesn't stop there you have a chance to get an off banner character or the rate up character in the banner🤯🤯 and if you get the rate up banner you have a 33.3 percent chance to even get the character that you wanted and that percentage never goes up or down since there is no guaranteed so you could get a c6 5star(with/without 50-50 loss) without getting the rate up 4 star you wanted which is insane :t
Its basically gambling with a gamble with a gamble
I may be dumb, but I feel like the reason why version 1 4 star characters get re run so often is bc of new players. Like for most if not all of them don’t require long story progression or travel time to level them. Like with kuki you need to complete the liyue archon quest and the chasm quest to level her. But idk, it’s just theory. A game theory
Having world bosses locked behind quests is really an issue, the ammount of bosses that are locked like this is just ridiculous, it'd be slighly ok if it were just the 3 in special regions (the Chasm, Enkanomiya and Petrichor), but literally every single Inazuma boss is locked behind the archon quest, and out of the four, only one isn't locked behind a world quest on top of that. It seems they realised this is a problem after the 2.x era because after that only the Petrichor boss was locked behind a quest, but if they could add a feature for doing weekly bosses before unlocking them, why not do the same for world bosses? Just leaving the teleport point next to them open, idk
xiangling is a free character lmao they should just stop putting her on banners atp. Its like putting kaeya or lisa on a banner
I literally have lost my mind with the standard banner. I am a Kaeya main, so I do have bit more of incentive to pull the standard banner (among other reasons) and I got C6 Mika from the standard banner in less than a year. From C0, when I got him first from his release banner. It's like the game decided to flip me the biggest middle finger. No, of course I can't have the other cryo Knight of Favonious that I main, that would be silly.
I'm still waiting for heizou all this time. I started in 2.8, had to quit since 3.0 bcs of device problems, then came back at 3.8. still hasn't seen heizou's banner once. I really want him, but I think hoyo forgot abt the guy.
Pulling for 4-star characters is Gacha^2
I really really hope there's kirara, mika and faruzan on pyro archon banner cause i really want c6 kirara and c6 faruzan
Its an Archon, so it will be filled with at least two 1.0 character and maaaaaybe one new 4*, because genshin players cant have nice things
faruzan only comes on scaras or xianyuns banners
Wait she doesn't come with xiao?@@KaraPark-l3d
I had a break after Nahida's banner during Sumeru, came back to summer event of Sumeru then took a break until Fontaine around 4.2 and I really wanted Kuki & Kaveh. When Kaveh was back on Nilou's banner ended up getting a C2 Nilou before even getting 1 copy of Kaveh, got 2 Kuki somehow before Kaveh so can't complain too much. Getting specific 4 star characters is just awful. I really want to get more copies of certain 4 stars like Cheveruse, but still at c0.
Seriously getting more and more disappointed when I see the four stars. I NEED HEIZOU. WHERE THE HECK IS MY HEIZOU. I always get my hopes up the day before the four stars get revealed hoping that Heizou will be there. This honestly is getting annoying for me because I have wanted Heizou for so long. Standard banner has no chance, so my only hope is the event banners.
Geez I didn’t realize how fortunate I was to C6 Heizou on his last banner with Kazuha 😅
I got 4 copies of kirara, 2 ningguangs, 2 dragon banes, a xingqiu, navia, nilou AND keqing BEFORE A SINGLE KAVEH. I managed to get at least one a couple of days ago but HOLY SHIT. I did NOT want ANY of the 5 stars, only wanted kaveh and ended up getting everyone BUT kaveh after 100 wishes. I'm gonna sob
I got kaveh first try I feel so bad for y’all -
@@TheLast-Winter_Blossom LUCKY. I WISH
@@youraveragekavehkinnie he is just sitting in storage since I got Emilie I’m getting the pale flame set so I have it for when Freminet appears
@@youraveragekavehkinnie THERE IS NO NEW BANNERS IN THE OTHERS PLACE WTH AND IM NOT EVEN PULLING THE 5.0 BANNERS CAUSE I HATE ALL THE CHARACTERS IN THEM ONLY THING GOOD IN 5.0 IS THE FREE FIVE STAR AND THE REWARDS IF I DISLIKE 5.1 BANNERS I GUESS IM SAVING ANOTHER MONTH AND I AM NOT PULLING FOR GEO KAZUHA CAUSE I PERSONALLY THINK SHE LOOKS WEIRD SO THE FOUR STARS BETTER BE ONES I LIKE I DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT NOT PULLING FOR TWO MONTHS BUT ITS RATHER ANNOYING BECAUSE I AM STUCK ON THE QUEST WHERE I MUST BEAT CHILDE AND NO TUTORIAL IS HELPFUL
@@TheLast-Winter_Blossom omg I feel u- I hate it when all the banners are the ones I DONT NEED. I mean I guess more time to save but like then all the characters I need end up being in the same patch SOB. I'll probably pull kazuha AND xilonen (I do need an anemo unit I dont have a single good one SOB) and I just think xilonen is pretty, but then I need xianyun as well for my kaveh team and kokomi for my nilou team, and I'm saving for mavuika and capitano- WHERE AM I GONNA GET ALL THE PRIMOGEMS SOBBBB.
You're in the liyue archon quest? What specifically are you having trouble with? The childe boss fight itself?
Navia banner actually worked out for me as my first actual whole month playing. (I started in the middle of last month) I got Keqing who I was after, 2 Ningguang’s, 2 Kavehs and Kiara and Navia. So I was happy with my rolls
Something similar with me! Been saving up for her banner and got Navia, Keqing, c2 Kaveh, c2 kirara, and 1 ningguang (in 40-50~ pulls (I lost count) :D)
One thing that happened to me that was the WORST thing that could happen to anyone is that I got Banett at THE END of Sumeru, I played Genshin since the release and only got Bennett AT THE END OF FREAKING SUMERU, I USED TO USE SARAH BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE HIM
I think these are all great ideas bc they did it for the weapon banner bc of tectone, so it makes sense to make it for 4 stars too right? off topic but will you pull for emile?
I'm gonna skip Emilie to save some more primogems for Mualani.
Some poor fool is gona have to blow 2000 dollars for c6 dori for it to happen
@@Azaril_Mualani nerfed though
@@daneddieloayon2701 Meta doesn't matter to me anyway, I just roll for characters I like. And I decided to roll for Mualani the moment she was revealed on the 4.8 livestream, long before anyone knew whether she'd be good. Besides, often times characters are doomposted before their release but then it turns out they're actually not that bad.
@daneddieloayon2701 so bcs mualani got nerfed they should rethink getting her? you think the only basis for getting a character is power level?
Some people have awful 4 star luck too, like c6ing the banner 5 star and getting less than c2 of the wanted 4 star
I ain't complaining cause I might be ar 52 but I still don't have much characters so any 4 star is fine
my biggest issue with this banner is that it is entireley version 1 four stars, of those xiangling being the only viable character at this point in the game, newer characters arwnt getting representation that they need a deserve and honestly it makes wishing just feel boring to me
I’ve been playing for three damn years and I’ve no razor I am also AR 60 now it’s honestly a joke
As much as I love Benben and the Ming-dynasty-Belle…Yeah, I think I don’t have enough Kavehium in my organism, I need more
I think the reason we see 1.X 4-stars on banner so frequently is bcuz Hoyo wants new players to be able to pull for characters they can actually use right away. It's a good intention for new players but kinda screws over any new 4-stars that will be drowned out for months to a year at a time.
i think they're saving the most wanted 4 star (chevy,heizou,kuki) for natlans banner, because not many people are interested in pulling particularly because of the design, therefore putting the most wanted 4 star can get them to spend some money at least to get them because the chances are really low to get certain 4 star
3:23 THERE IS NO 50/50 CHANCE!! ITS MORE LIKE 99/1 CHANCE WITH WEAPONS ARE THE 99% OFC!! 😭
Back when Charlotte first debuted with Furina and Baizhu, I spent 100 wishes hoping to get at least her C2 before Cyno reran.
....I got both Furina and Baizhu before her C0.
When Scaramouche 1st came with Faruzan i got reallyyyy lucky and i was able to get c5 even tho i didn't get Scaramouche, EVER SINCE HER 1ST BANNER ive been pulling for the last con of faruzan and i still haven't gotten it LITERALLY. i either don't have any primo left to pull anymore or im saving up my pity for the 5* i want and i find it ridiculous how i still haven't gotten that last constellation and she only reruns with anemo dps characters ughhhh.
They should just keep starglitter shop characters available permanently and add more to it.
They really should start expanding the show to also have a Rotating List of the most recent 4 stars of the Patch.
I need fischl and heizou please hoyo 😭🙏
I feel they need a voting system to shake up what 4 stars are added to banners. Knowing the Genshin Team. They'd never do such a cool thing.
To be honest I was a bit irritated by everyone talking and complaining again about the 4 stars. I play Genshin for quite a time now, but always had the issue of restarting. Finally this year I got myself an account where I am pretty satisfied and focus on appreciating the game more, bla bla bla. So for me it's nice to see Xiangling again because rolling for Alrecchino only gave me ONE con for her.
BUT after hearing you talk about this topic and the issues and thinking about it. It's true. This sucks and can't continue like this. Even for players who are unlucky getting 1.X characters (me who didn't get Fischl so I had to buy her from the shop) it still cannot be it that the SAME characters over and over get a rerun.
Heizou is after Kazuha my second favourite Anemo character sitting at C0 for a long time now. Plus I hate how 4 star characters that I really like always appear in 5 star character banners I DON'T want 😩
I loved the ideas you mentioned and I would jump around if they'd really add at least something similar! Maybe the idea you mentioned with the fate points of the event banner could be also done somehow in the standard banner? Like you can choose one of the current 39 characters and after a specific amount of pulls you get them guaranteed (or something else idk) It's just totally frustrating...
I do need weapons more, but I feel like I keep getting the SAME weapons over and over and over.
Please Hoyoverse do something
Oh and one more thing: I enjoyed the sarcasm you added in this video 😂
There is nothing wrong with being happy that a 4 star you want is on the next banner, even if it is that 4 star's third banner in a short time. Everyone has different targets, and in the end it's pretty much impossible for everyone to be happy with the 4 star lineup. But I still wanted to talk about the underlying issue. I'm glad I was able to convince you.
It would be nice if they implemented epitomized path for both the character banner and standard banner, but at this point it would be a small miracle if they even did it for one of them. I'm still hopeful, but deep down I don't think they'll make any significant changes to the 4 star gacha system anytime soon - people have been asking for newer characters to get more banners or be put in the shop for quite a while now, so Hoyo is definitely aware of the problem, yet they still haven't done anything about it, instead they just continue making it worse by giving old characters like Xiangling a banner every 2 or 3 patches while Heizou is dead in a ditch (much like Kaveh before him).
it’s been a almost two years since heizou last came, i got him on my alt and i really want him on my account. praying he’s in a natlan banner 😭.
I have been playing this game for almost 3 years and I still don't have Chongyun 😂
What about gorou
Shut up guys i need c11 xiangling for my account 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
This explains how Xiangling is my only C6 whall everyone is C2 or lower
As a player who started in 1.2, I have c6 of all the 1.0 characters (excluding Lisa and Amber who are c4, and Kaeya is c6). I have no reason (other than to c6 Lisa and Amber) to spend my starglitter other than secure myself extra wishes. And let's not forget that Chongyun and Sucrose aren't even in the shop rotation despite being 1.0 characters. If they were to add all the 4 stars from 1.x, they'd have a perfect number to add for each month (Chongyun, Sucrose, Diona, Xinyan, Rosaria, Yanfei).
I think we know who hoyos personal favourite is
I say put 4-stars permanently into the shop after a while, instead of requiring us to wait half a year for one, and raise purchase limit to 6 so we can C6 them right away if we so choose to. Fate points are also nice.
eheehhehee guess what they actually leaked the damn 4 stars in the 5.0 Banner. From the livestream..
Its Bennett, Xinyan and Kachina
I love how xianling reruns so often yet in none of the banner I plan to pull on, she's still c3 on my account bcs of that lol
During the arlecchino banner (sorry if spelled wrong) i got a C2 Lynette and a C1 or C2 xiangling.. i didn't even get 1 just 1 ferminiet! (Sorry for my poor spelling if spelled wrong)
I’ve been playing since just before inazuma and still haven’t gotten kujou sara
bro ive literally been pulling for standart banner only for 3 months already, cause theres no 4stars i want.. thats really crazy, like theres so many good 4star characters whicih only had about 2 reruns and hoyo keep putting free or BENNET characters.. like whats the problem
/btw i even got few (on standart)😭 ig my luck is crazy (sayu, charlotte c1, kirara)
Yup, this sums up all the problems I have. My main problem was every 10 pull instead of getting characters I'd get 4 star weapon instead mostly.
The character choice on banners is always related to either running event content or more rarely new content in general. Because of the new player experience and because they don't want characters to collect dust, older units are seen in event content more often creating the influx of older units on the banners.
Getting a certain featured 4* takes already on average around 40 pulls while a featured 5* takes 62,5 pulls. The 4* paradox is just feelscraft. However if we include that many 4* units need constellations (Faruzan, Kaveh just to name a few really bad ones) then we are talking. The 50/50 odds of getting character or weapon on character banner are more tailored towards weapons because after the featured rule, the next strongest rule is the 2-1 rule (which states that after getting 2 characters in a row you will a weapon and vice versa).
I would like the changes you suggested added to the game however I don't think it will be added because then there isn't a unlimited upper spending for whales.
Also I think we almost have an equal amount of 4* and 5* in the game. This just adds to the "4*-paradox". 4* are a lot easier to obtain because they are given away in certain points in the game, events and how the shop and gacha works however the amount of needed constellations and overall characters in the game just make it harder to get your head around.
Also I have a deep hate for anyone who says Kaveh is a viable character. You get him for his personality and his 3rd passive and nothing more. He is borderline unplayable until c6 and even with it he isn't a good option in his best teams.
Jokes on on you i had c0 xiangling