Thank you! I am very confused at times trying to understand the direction of this series but was so grateful to finally hear the the Gospel Proclaimed. I am asking the precious Holy Spirit's discernment in understanding this Christian Nationalist movement! Thanks again. I will stay connected for now!
One of the clips in the 2 minute montage was Steve Deace who was the person that radicalized me as a teenager into Christian Nationalism. He’s an incredibly dangerous voice and it’s good to see him get called out more. Thanks for including him!
Yes, I recognized him. Also, I listened to him for a couple of years in the early 20 teens and then I realize he was going off the rails after he gave up the fight against Trump.
I wish they would’ve identified everyone who was in that montage. Perhaps it could be something put in the episode description, with links to listen to what they have to say in their full context.
I agree with you! I've actually tried to write Glenn Beck about this. Glenn doesn't understand because his Mormonism has the same culture as Christian Nationalists. He won't understand the theology behind this so he can't confront Deace. When I forget to turn off my radio and Deace comes on, all I see is an angry person. CHristianity should give you peace and rest, knowing that God, in all of his providence and sovereignty, has everything under control.
That bit from Webbon trying to justify slavery by saying that we were buying not kidnapping, there wouldn’t have been a market for the kidnappers if people weren’t buying other people. He seems to think that it’s OK to just knowingly, buy the products of crime rather than actually commit the crime. So he would be OK with buying stolen goods?
There's lots more to the slavery issue than just a quick sound bite or two. Slavery is still ongoing in the US and other countries, but no one is really up in arms about it. Think about the stolen goods that are used to promote keeping poor of every persuasion on the government plantation. Consider also the human trafficking across both the northern and southern borders, but no one is willing to stop that slavery.
@@jahnvantuttlesma8215What does the Bible say about slavery? Scripture has examples of good and bad slavery, yet most American Christians don't want to believe the Bible says anything positive about slavery. Go to the Word and study it. This is not advocating modern slavery but explaining that the Bible says much about slavery and we ignore it because we are ignorant. We are also ignorant about past slavery in America because of revisionist history in literature and media. There is no way to combat slavery that occurred in the past. What you are suggesting is the same as those who are currently asking reparations for American slave descendants who never worked as slaves based only on skin color from those who never held slaves. Those who suggest reparations are unwilling to give the same to the Irish and Scottish slaves deposited in America. The idea is foolish as there is no method to make such reparations in a righteous manner. Americans are OK with the illegals pouring across the borders because they are inexpensive labor for businesses or are used by those Christians who did not study the Bible and thought it a good idea because they were helping illegals out of a bad situation. Those Christians did not follow scripture at all in their thinking and actions. The result is extensive child and adult trafficking into and out of the US. The outcry on current slavery is a loud as that from the SBC when unlimited abortion was being considered in the US. Only a few think it is a problem.
@@jahnvantuttlesma8215 There is no method to combat slavery from hundreds of years ago. That is foolish thinking promoted by those who push identity politics. If reparations were to be paid, would the descendants of Irish and Scottish slaves deposited in the new world of America be given similar reparations? Of course not. Where is the outcry from Christians to stop the trafficking of children and adults across both our borders? It is as quiet as the SBC's outcry when unlimited abortion was being discussed in the 60s. Nothing. That is because the illegals provide cheap labor to businesses and ignorant Christians fall into line because they don't understand the Bible's commands on foreigners and how to take care of them. Do you want to stop American slavery today? Close the borders. Round up the traffickers from every state. Most don't realize it, but the Hmongs are enslaving illegals in Northern California to grow illegal crops there. That was reported a few years ago by a northern California news agency. Slavery is all over America, but those who want to speak about Antebellum slavery in the US close their eyes to today's slavery.
@@jahnvantuttlesma8215 Someone likes slavery as my comment keeps slipping away into the ether. There is no righteous, biblical method to combat slavery from hundreds of years ago. That is foolish thinking promoted by those who push identity politics. If reparations were to be paid, would the descendants of Irish and Scottish slaves deposited in the new world of America be given similar reparations? Of course not. Where is the outcry from Christians to stop the trafficking of children and adults across both our borders? It is as quiet as the SBC's outcry when unlimited abortion was being discussed in the 1960s. That is because illegals provide cheap labor to businesses and ignorant Christians fall into line because they don't understand or are unwilling to act on the Bible's commandments concerning foreigners and how to take care of them.
Thank you for this episode. It helps educate me to what Christian Nationalism is and my already held belief why the ramifications of it are not Christian at all. Christian Nationalism does not reflect the love of Christ. Jesus Christ taught that we are all image bearers of God. Christian Nationalism in my opinion has an underlying belief that only Christians are image bearers of God.
I was fascinated by the inclusion of Katherine Stewart, whose book on Good News Clubs I have been intending to read. When I was a very small child, my passionately evangelical mother used to hold a Good News Club in our living room, to which she invited the neighborhood children. Since they were all, without exception, the children of Mexican and Filipino immigrants, they were probably being raised Catholic, which my mother would have considered pagan. I am certain that their parents just thought they were sending their kids to have fun with other kids and the nice lady who taught them songs about Jesus and fed them cookies.
I love the notion that christian nationalism and identity politics are the same. I guess there are good people on "both sides". One group wants to be treated like the majority group the majority group doesn't like that idea. Totally the same thing.
While they may appear to be the same, they are not. Identity politics is based on exterior values, such as skin color, sexual identity, social status proletariat versus the bourgeoisie or religion such as what Islam does to Christians. They worship at the alter of whatever is the current popular identity pushing down all those who are not in the popular stance. Christian Nationalism is based on the Rock of Jesus Christ and everyone worships at the foot of the cross. Instead of pushing everyone else down, Christians raise the standard of Christ and all are blessed.
Actually, they are not the same. Identity politics seeks to elevate one particular class usually based on external points such as skin color, sexual preference and sometimes religion. At the same time, identity politics pushes others down because they are not part of the elevated class. The particular class elevated changes based on whatever the current fad is. Christian Nationalism seeks to elevate all by means of the gospel. If Christians really believe the Great Commission, they are by definition Christian nationalists in whatever country they live.
I'd love to see an investigation of the source of this divisive propaganda. Who is "Sons of Patriarchy" and how are they funded? The production has NPR production style.
@@spartakos3178 In actuality there's a spectrum between nationalism and globalism. In today's day and age it's not realistic to totally escape globalism even if one is wary of it. The world is too interconnected.
When you’re playing all the clips of these talking heads, calling for violence we really need to have their names included. I recognize a few voices (Steve Deace for example), but not all by any means.
@@dave1724 I hate to break it to you but king David is old testament. Christians purport to be followers of Christ who came with new commandments and covenants. Matthew 22:36-40: ³⁶ “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” ³⁷ Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ ³⁸ This is the first and greatest commandment. ³⁹ And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ⁴⁰ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
@@PMickeyDee Jesus also said: "He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Luke 22:36 Loving your neighbor is standing up for their rights when those who are misguided attempt to overrun them. We saw that during the covid when most churches rolled over and did not meet, masked themselves and hid in fear. Those incorrect actions cost our neighbors their lives, their jobs and the ability to stand for Christ in an obviously wrong situation. Yes, you pointed out the greatest commandments, but ignored the others. Only feeding on the New Testament is why so many American Christians lack the ability to discern between right and wrong. The Sons are wrong, but most of those here lack the ability to put their words against the true facts and to weigh them against the Bible' teaching. Jesus is the new covenant, to the Jew first and then to the Gentile, but He did not disregard what we now call the Old Testament. "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:17,18
@@dave1724in Matthew 5, Jesus tells us how to interact with our enemies. You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. Love for Enemies 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[b] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. Love for Enemies 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[b] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. We are to love our enemies and do good to those who persecute us. We are to pick up our cross and follow Him. The way of the cross is foolishness to the world.
Thank you. Christian nationalism can work. Denmark is the clearest examples of truly Christian nationalism due to its deep historical ties between the Lutheran Church and the state, its incorporation of Christian values into national identity, and the central role that Christian principles continue to play in shaping the country's societal structures. The Evangelical Lutheran Church of Denmark (Folkekirken) is the official state church, as enshrined by the Danish Constitution of 1849. The constitution requires the Danish monarch to be a member of the Lutheran Church, reinforcing the close connection between religion and governance. The church holds a privileged position in society, and Danish citizens are automatically members unless they choose to opt out. This formal relationship between the state and the church is reflected in the government’s financial support for the church, which is funded by taxes. Christianity also plays a central role in Danish culture and public life. Christian holidays such as Christmas and Easter are celebrated nationwide, and public ceremonies like weddings and baptisms typically take place in churches. The national educational system includes religious studies, and Christianity remains embedded in the curriculum, with religion being taught as a compulsory subject. While secularism is on the rise, Christianity continues to influence laws, cultural practices, and the moral values that underpin Danish society. The historical context of Denmark’s Christian nationalism dates back to the 10th century when King Harald Bluetooth officially converted Denmark to Christianity. Since then, the Lutheran faith has been integral to the country’s identity. Following the Reformation in the 16th century, the Lutheran Church became the state church, and this alignment of church and state has remained a central feature of Danish society. Although secularism is growing, the framework of Christian nationalism in Denmark remains significant. Even with a declining number of churchgoers, the Lutheran Church's position as the state religion, along with the continued public endorsement of Christian values, ensures that Christianity is not only a private matter but a key element of the national identity. Denmark’s Christian nationalism is characterized by its unique integration of Christianity into its governance, laws, and national identity. The state’s official relationship with the church, the prominent role of Christianity in public life, and the cultural importance of Christian values make Denmark the best example of Christian nationalism today.
@@παρεπίδημος Good try, but no cigar. The Bible says: "Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”" Matthew 28:18-20 If you believe the Bible and the Great Commission, you are a Christian nationalist. That would be a Chinese Christian nationalist, A Zambian Christian nationalist, A Russian Christian nationalist, and even an American Christian nationalist.
Another solid episode, though I don’t think that it’s helpful to include Nick Fuentes. He’s a self professed Catholic integralist (though I’m skeptical that he actually is one) and he’s basically the one guy that nearly everyone condemns. Stay with the guys in Doug’s corner. There’s plenty to pick from.
I just listened to the latest SOP podcast and couldn't agree with Kathryn with much at all, who was interviewed. She claimed CRT wasn't being taught in public schools -- and that liberals don't approve of 3rd term abortions. Why do liberal states approve this to be done in their states? I've SEEN CRT materials in some public schools. I've seen books in school libraries that shouldn't be in there -- not age appropriate. This latest podcast is nowhere hitting the middle ground. It feels like Far Left and Far Right arguing about politics instead of understanding why BIBLICALLY Christian Nationalism is not a good thing, nor is it biblical. I thought this podcast would be good at exposing the theological errors within CN, as well as the cultural issues. It appears it has now become a political argument -- justifying Democrats and denigrating Republicans. That shouldn't be the point at all. All Republicans are not Christian Nationalists - and I would venture to say that most are not....yet Kathryn wants to put that on all Republicans. Very, very disappointed in this latest podcast and not sure I will listen to any more. The balance has been lost.
With you. Going to re-listen but it seems the dreaded fruit of CN was distrust in the public school system which I think is *great* even as someone who disagrees with Wilson on many other things. Was there other bad fruit I missed?
@@BrazosEyrie part of the reason I found this to be such distasteful propaganda is that it defines and constructs CN in a very cherrypicked, straw-manning way. I don't think it is useful to say nationalism is not biblical without defining nationalism, which I think is a point of great disagreement. I would say that the Bible is absolutely nationalistic, but I suspect we mean completely different things by that term. I would say that the view of social structure pervasive in the gospels is that families and nations are the natural-order building blocks of human society and Christianity as a universal religion, an operating system to unite all nations. I think most people who would regard CN as a positive term are not in favor of some sort of "christofascistic" theocracy. They simply love our nation, which is and always has been Christian... And perceive this kind of rhetoric as a dishonest attempt to demonize our traditional national and familial culture as part of a program of deracination, atomization and homogenization of humanity by a secular atheistic global managerialist system that sees us little more than livestock. A system that hates Christianity and it's conception of family and nation as organic units of human life as competition, which is true. Can I ask how you define nationalism?
@@alliellioxenfree the truth is that the public school has developed some issues over the past few decades, so I won't say I'm a fan of public schools. Perhaps in smaller rural areas, it might be OK. (I've worked in schools). However, the answer is not to make a patriarchal school, either. I've found many Lutheran schools do a good job of educating the kids (I'm not Lutheran, but I think they are pretty balanced.).
@@livenotbylies why would you say the bible is very nationalistic when the context of scripture is that there is ONE people of God? Perhaps if you are coming from a dispensational background, you would think it is nationalistic, but a true Reformed church (true covenant theology) understands there is one people of God - those whom are called by God from before the foundation of the world to be his (from the beginning of time until Jesus returns). There is nothing wrong with loving our homeland. But wisdom understands the world at large as being at odds with the new heaven and new earth. Original sin taints all of our existence right now, so we look to Christ as our only hope. We put our hope in God alone, not in nations. Having said that, we can appreciate the blessings of living in America, for instance -- to have freedom (for now). Those are gifts given to us by God for the time being. There are several factions within the Christian Nationalism movement. From true fascists to truly misguided souls. The Doug Wilson movement is very specific. They believe in theonomy, most are post-millennial. They believe the error of Federal vision. When you put these things together, it leads them towards the direction of a theocracy, which would not be a good thing for freedom. Israel wasn't successful. The Puritans weren't successful. Why? Sin is always knocking at the door. There are now several strains coming off of Wilson's core -- like Joel Webbon, for instance (who is one of the worst). I love our nation and our traditions. I grew up with a father who was USMC. However, I will not make our nation an idol, nor should any culture become an idol. As Christians, we look to "this blessed hope," (the new heaven and new earth). I see a lot of idolatry in the Doug Wilson movement and its various strains.
Someone always has power and is wielding it at all times. The price you pay for pietism is to be yanked about politically by your inferiors. Not all cultures are superior.
💯 Taking the extremists and broad-stroking conservatives is simply dishonest. I don’t have time to enumerate all the straw men erected here as well as the defensive of liberalism while ignoring its blatant evils. I’m through with Sons of Patriarchy. I had hoped for a balanced, fair analysis. Not even close.
@@Zxumathe Bible says Jesus is already king. It says he will bring his people to himself through the preaching of the gospel. He says the weapons of our war fare are not carnal.
@@Zxuma of course the kingdom comes. Jesus taught many parables about the kingdom. But many walked away, because he taught about the spread of the kingdom without using a hint of any military or warfare type imagery. The elevation of the warrior class - overcoming through success and courage in physical conflict - was a purely Greek trope. Jesus came declaring the coming of the kingdom through *gardener and gardening* imagery. This was unacceptable to messianic Jewish Nationalists.
Joel Webbon is the least educated Christian I have ever listened to -- oh, that's right - he has NO seminary degree. He doesn't understand the Bible at all.
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Thank you! I am very confused at times trying to understand the direction of this series but was so grateful to finally hear the the Gospel Proclaimed. I am asking the precious Holy Spirit's discernment in understanding this Christian Nationalist movement! Thanks again. I will stay connected for now!
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One of the clips in the 2 minute montage was Steve Deace who was the person that radicalized me as a teenager into Christian Nationalism. He’s an incredibly dangerous voice and it’s good to see him get called out more. Thanks for including him!
Yes, I recognized him. Also, I listened to him for a couple of years in the early 20 teens and then I realize he was going off the rails after he gave up the fight against Trump.
So what are you now, pink haired commie? Deace is absolutely spot on about a lot of things.
I wish they would’ve identified everyone who was in that montage. Perhaps it could be something put in the episode description, with links to listen to what they have to say in their full context.
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I agree with you! I've actually tried to write Glenn Beck about this. Glenn doesn't understand because his Mormonism has the same culture as Christian Nationalists. He won't understand the theology behind this so he can't confront Deace. When I forget to turn off my radio and Deace comes on, all I see is an angry person. CHristianity should give you peace and rest, knowing that God, in all of his providence and sovereignty, has everything under control.
That bit from Webbon trying to justify slavery by saying that we were buying not kidnapping, there wouldn’t have been a market for the kidnappers if people weren’t buying other people.
He seems to think that it’s OK to just knowingly, buy the products of crime rather than actually commit the crime. So he would be OK with buying stolen goods?
There's lots more to the slavery issue than just a quick sound bite or two. Slavery is still ongoing in the US and other countries, but no one is really up in arms about it. Think about the stolen goods that are used to promote keeping poor of every persuasion on the government plantation. Consider also the human trafficking across both the northern and southern borders, but no one is willing to stop that slavery.
I don’t get your point. Why does contemporary slavery excuse past slavery? How about we combat all slavery regardless of time and location?
@@jahnvantuttlesma8215What does the Bible say about slavery? Scripture has examples of good and bad slavery, yet most American Christians don't want to believe the Bible says anything positive about slavery. Go to the Word and study it. This is not advocating modern slavery but explaining that the Bible says much about slavery and we ignore it because we are ignorant. We are also ignorant about past slavery in America because of revisionist history in literature and media.
There is no way to combat slavery that occurred in the past. What you are suggesting is the same as those who are currently asking reparations for American slave descendants who never worked as slaves based only on skin color from those who never held slaves. Those who suggest reparations are unwilling to give the same to the Irish and Scottish slaves deposited in America. The idea is foolish as there is no method to make such reparations in a righteous manner.
Americans are OK with the illegals pouring across the borders because they are inexpensive labor for businesses or are used by those Christians who did not study the Bible and thought it a good idea because they were helping illegals out of a bad situation. Those Christians did not follow scripture at all in their thinking and actions. The result is extensive child and adult trafficking into and out of the US. The outcry on current slavery is a loud as that from the SBC when unlimited abortion was being considered in the US. Only a few think it is a problem.
@@jahnvantuttlesma8215 There is no method to combat slavery from hundreds of years ago. That is foolish thinking promoted by those who push identity politics. If reparations were to be paid, would the descendants of Irish and Scottish slaves deposited in the new world of America be given similar reparations? Of course not.
Where is the outcry from Christians to stop the trafficking of children and adults across both our borders? It is as quiet as the SBC's outcry when unlimited abortion was being discussed in the 60s. Nothing. That is because the illegals provide cheap labor to businesses and ignorant Christians fall into line because they don't understand the Bible's commands on foreigners and how to take care of them.
Do you want to stop American slavery today? Close the borders. Round up the traffickers from every state. Most don't realize it, but the Hmongs are enslaving illegals in Northern California to grow illegal crops there. That was reported a few years ago by a northern California news agency. Slavery is all over America, but those who want to speak about Antebellum slavery in the US close their eyes to today's slavery.
@@jahnvantuttlesma8215 Someone likes slavery as my comment keeps slipping away into the ether. There is no righteous, biblical method to combat slavery from hundreds of years ago. That is foolish thinking promoted by those who push identity politics. If reparations were to be paid, would the descendants of Irish and Scottish slaves deposited in the new world of America be given similar reparations? Of course not.
Where is the outcry from Christians to stop the trafficking of children and adults across both our borders? It is as quiet as the SBC's outcry when unlimited abortion was being discussed in the 1960s. That is because illegals provide cheap labor to businesses and ignorant Christians fall into line because they don't understand or are unwilling to act on the Bible's commandments concerning foreigners and how to take care of them.
Thank you for this episode. It helps educate me to what Christian Nationalism is and my already held belief why the ramifications of it are not Christian at all. Christian Nationalism does not reflect the love of Christ. Jesus Christ taught that we are all image bearers of God. Christian Nationalism in my opinion has an underlying belief that only Christians are image bearers of God.
I was fascinated by the inclusion of Katherine Stewart, whose book on Good News Clubs I have been intending to read. When I was a very small child, my passionately evangelical mother used to hold a Good News Club in our living room, to which she invited the neighborhood children. Since they were all, without exception, the children of Mexican and Filipino immigrants, they were probably being raised Catholic, which my mother would have considered pagan. I am certain that their parents just thought they were sending their kids to have fun with other kids and the nice lady who taught them songs about Jesus and fed them cookies.
✅ interesting. Thank you
I love the notion that christian nationalism and identity politics are the same. I guess there are good people on "both sides". One group wants to be treated like the majority group the majority group doesn't like that idea. Totally the same thing.
While they may appear to be the same, they are not. Identity politics is based on exterior values, such as skin color, sexual identity, social status proletariat versus the bourgeoisie or religion such as what Islam does to Christians. They worship at the alter of whatever is the current popular identity pushing down all those who are not in the popular stance. Christian Nationalism is based on the Rock of Jesus Christ and everyone worships at the foot of the cross. Instead of pushing everyone else down, Christians raise the standard of Christ and all are blessed.
Actually, they are not the same. Identity politics seeks to elevate one particular class usually based on external points such as skin color, sexual preference and sometimes religion. At the same time, identity politics pushes others down because they are not part of the elevated class. The particular class elevated changes based on whatever the current fad is.
Christian Nationalism seeks to elevate all by means of the gospel. If Christians really believe the Great Commission, they are by definition Christian nationalists in whatever country they live.
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I'd love to see an investigation of the source of this divisive propaganda. Who is "Sons of Patriarchy" and how are they funded? The production has NPR production style.
Globalism has not born good fruit.
You seem to think that the only options are nationalism or globalism
@jahnvantuttlesma8215 Those are the most likely options, by a lot.
@@spartakos3178 In actuality there's a spectrum between nationalism and globalism. In today's day and age it's not realistic to totally escape globalism even if one is wary of it. The world is too interconnected.
@@jahnvantuttlesma8215 agreed -- there are other options. I weary of this becoming a political conversation - the balance has been lost.
Thank you. This is pure globalist propaganda. I would bet my right arm that this was produced by NPR
When you’re playing all the clips of these talking heads, calling for violence we really need to have their names included. I recognize a few voices (Steve Deace for example), but not all by any means.
Nick Fuentes was also featured
Don't forget King David. "Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle." Psalm 144:1
@@dave1724 I hate to break it to you but king David is old testament. Christians purport to be followers of Christ who came with new commandments and covenants. Matthew 22:36-40:
³⁶ “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
³⁷ Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ ³⁸ This is the first and greatest commandment. ³⁹ And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ⁴⁰ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
@@PMickeyDee Jesus also said: "He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Luke 22:36
Loving your neighbor is standing up for their rights when those who are misguided attempt to overrun them. We saw that during the covid when most churches rolled over and did not meet, masked themselves and hid in fear. Those incorrect actions cost our neighbors their lives, their jobs and the ability to stand for Christ in an obviously wrong situation. Yes, you pointed out the greatest commandments, but ignored the others.
Only feeding on the New Testament is why so many American Christians lack the ability to discern between right and wrong. The Sons are wrong, but most of those here lack the ability to put their words against the true facts and to weigh them against the Bible' teaching. Jesus is the new covenant, to the Jew first and then to the Gentile, but He did not disregard what we now call the Old Testament.
"“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:17,18
@@dave1724in Matthew 5, Jesus tells us how to interact with our enemies. You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[b] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[b] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven.
We are to love our enemies and do good to those who persecute us. We are to pick up our cross and follow Him. The way of the cross is foolishness to the world.
Thank you. Christian nationalism can work. Denmark is the clearest examples of truly Christian nationalism due to its deep historical ties between the Lutheran Church and the state, its incorporation of Christian values into national identity, and the central role that Christian principles continue to play in shaping the country's societal structures.
The Evangelical Lutheran Church of Denmark (Folkekirken) is the official state church, as enshrined by the Danish Constitution of 1849. The constitution requires the Danish monarch to be a member of the Lutheran Church, reinforcing the close connection between religion and governance. The church holds a privileged position in society, and Danish citizens are automatically members unless they choose to opt out. This formal relationship between the state and the church is reflected in the government’s financial support for the church, which is funded by taxes.
Christianity also plays a central role in Danish culture and public life. Christian holidays such as Christmas and Easter are celebrated nationwide, and public ceremonies like weddings and baptisms typically take place in churches. The national educational system includes religious studies, and Christianity remains embedded in the curriculum, with religion being taught as a compulsory subject. While secularism is on the rise, Christianity continues to influence laws, cultural practices, and the moral values that underpin Danish society.
The historical context of Denmark’s Christian nationalism dates back to the 10th century when King Harald Bluetooth officially converted Denmark to Christianity. Since then, the Lutheran faith has been integral to the country’s identity. Following the Reformation in the 16th century, the Lutheran Church became the state church, and this alignment of church and state has remained a central feature of Danish society.
Although secularism is growing, the framework of Christian nationalism in Denmark remains significant. Even with a declining number of churchgoers, the Lutheran Church's position as the state religion, along with the continued public endorsement of Christian values, ensures that Christianity is not only a private matter but a key element of the national identity.
Denmark’s Christian nationalism is characterized by its unique integration of Christianity into its governance, laws, and national identity. The state’s official relationship with the church, the prominent role of Christianity in public life, and the cultural importance of Christian values make Denmark the best example of Christian nationalism today.
Get outa here with that nonsense
@@παρεπίδημος Good try, but no cigar. The Bible says: "Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”" Matthew 28:18-20
If you believe the Bible and the Great Commission, you are a Christian nationalist. That would be a Chinese Christian nationalist, A Zambian Christian nationalist, A Russian Christian nationalist, and even an American Christian nationalist.
@ lol, thanks for showing that you haven’t listened to a single episode of this podcast.
I do not think that Christian nationalists would consider Denmark or any of the Scandinavian countries successful examples of Christian nationalism.
@paulacoyle5685 Why not? They claim to be Christian. Don't they
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Another solid episode, though I don’t think that it’s helpful to include Nick Fuentes. He’s a self professed Catholic integralist (though I’m skeptical that he actually is one) and he’s basically the one guy that nearly everyone condemns. Stay with the guys in Doug’s corner. There’s plenty to pick from.
Fuentes is a tinpot neo-fascist.
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How is the love of the father and brother working for the Muslim women in Afghan ?😂😂 these people have lost their minds
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Nick Fuentes as a “former” UA-cam influencer lol
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I just listened to the latest SOP podcast and couldn't agree with Kathryn with much at all, who was interviewed. She claimed CRT wasn't being taught in public schools -- and that liberals don't approve of 3rd term abortions. Why do liberal states approve this to be done in their states? I've SEEN CRT materials in some public schools. I've seen books in school libraries that shouldn't be in there -- not age appropriate.
This latest podcast is nowhere hitting the middle ground. It feels like Far Left and Far Right arguing about politics instead of understanding why BIBLICALLY Christian Nationalism is not a good thing, nor is it biblical.
I thought this podcast would be good at exposing the theological errors within CN, as well as the cultural issues. It appears it has now become a political argument -- justifying Democrats and denigrating Republicans. That shouldn't be the point at all. All Republicans are not Christian Nationalists - and I would venture to say that most are not....yet Kathryn wants to put that on all Republicans.
Very, very disappointed in this latest podcast and not sure I will listen to any more. The balance has been lost.
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With you. Going to re-listen but it seems the dreaded fruit of CN was distrust in the public school system which I think is *great* even as someone who disagrees with Wilson on many other things. Was there other bad fruit I missed?
@@BrazosEyrie part of the reason I found this to be such distasteful propaganda is that it defines and constructs CN in a very cherrypicked, straw-manning way. I don't think it is useful to say nationalism is not biblical without defining nationalism, which I think is a point of great disagreement. I would say that the Bible is absolutely nationalistic, but I suspect we mean completely different things by that term. I would say that the view of social structure pervasive in the gospels is that families and nations are the natural-order building blocks of human society and Christianity as a universal religion, an operating system to unite all nations.
I think most people who would regard CN as a positive term are not in favor of some sort of "christofascistic" theocracy. They simply love our nation, which is and always has been Christian... And perceive this kind of rhetoric as a dishonest attempt to demonize our traditional national and familial culture as part of a program of deracination, atomization and homogenization of humanity by a secular atheistic global managerialist system that sees us little more than livestock. A system that hates Christianity and it's conception of family and nation as organic units of human life as competition, which is true. Can I ask how you define nationalism?
@@alliellioxenfree the truth is that the public school has developed some issues over the past few decades, so I won't say I'm a fan of public schools. Perhaps in smaller rural areas, it might be OK. (I've worked in schools). However, the answer is not to make a patriarchal school, either. I've found many Lutheran schools do a good job of educating the kids (I'm not Lutheran, but I think they are pretty balanced.).
@@livenotbylies why would you say the bible is very nationalistic when the context of scripture is that there is ONE people of God? Perhaps if you are coming from a dispensational background, you would think it is nationalistic, but a true Reformed church (true covenant theology) understands there is one people of God - those whom are called by God from before the foundation of the world to be his (from the beginning of time until Jesus returns).
There is nothing wrong with loving our homeland. But wisdom understands the world at large as being at odds with the new heaven and new earth. Original sin taints all of our existence right now, so we look to Christ as our only hope. We put our hope in God alone, not in nations. Having said that, we can appreciate the blessings of living in America, for instance -- to have freedom (for now). Those are gifts given to us by God for the time being.
There are several factions within the Christian Nationalism movement. From true fascists to truly misguided souls. The Doug Wilson movement is very specific. They believe in theonomy, most are post-millennial. They believe the error of Federal vision. When you put these things together, it leads them towards the direction of a theocracy, which would not be a good thing for freedom. Israel wasn't successful. The Puritans weren't successful. Why? Sin is always knocking at the door. There are now several strains coming off of Wilson's core -- like Joel Webbon, for instance (who is one of the worst).
I love our nation and our traditions. I grew up with a father who was USMC. However, I will not make our nation an idol, nor should any culture become an idol. As Christians, we look to "this blessed hope," (the new heaven and new earth). I see a lot of idolatry in the Doug Wilson movement and its various strains.
Someone always has power and is wielding it at all times. The price you pay for pietism is to be yanked about politically by your inferiors. Not all cultures are superior.
OK? And as Jesus said “it shall not be so among you.”
You should probably spend more time reading and actually studying your Bible .
Jesus isn’t saying if you grow and have a country, you should give it up to miscreants, misfits and wanton hedonists who are antichrist.
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This is one of the most epic burnings of a strawman I have ever seen. And pure projection.
💯 Taking the extremists and broad-stroking conservatives is simply dishonest. I don’t have time to enumerate all the straw men erected here as well as the defensive of liberalism while ignoring its blatant evils. I’m through with Sons of Patriarchy. I had hoped for a balanced, fair analysis. Not even close.
The problem I have is that so often the public let’s everybody except Christianity to be represented.
The constitution is still valid.
What? Christians are the majority in America. Every president has self identified as Christian. Christians are over represented in elected offices.
Yeah, this is blatant propaganda. Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world, by the numbers
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How did Paul die? What did the state do to John? Live quietly under any system? Yeah right.
What does the scripture say about those deaths? Does it say we should take up arms?
So in your view the kingdom never comes?
@@Zxumathe Bible says Jesus is already king. It says he will bring his people to himself through the preaching of the gospel. He says the weapons of our war fare are not carnal.
@@Zxuma of course the kingdom comes. Jesus taught many parables about the kingdom. But many walked away, because he taught about the spread of the kingdom without using a hint of any military or warfare type imagery. The elevation of the warrior class - overcoming through success and courage in physical conflict - was a purely Greek trope. Jesus came declaring the coming of the kingdom through *gardener and gardening* imagery. This was unacceptable to messianic Jewish Nationalists.
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Russell Moore is absolutely a godless sellout.
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Joel Webbon is right.
No, my friend he could not be more wrong.
Joel Webbon is the least educated Christian I have ever listened to -- oh, that's right - he has NO seminary degree. He doesn't understand the Bible at all.
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