Double Bass Technique | Foot Technique Endurance Tutorial
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
- Today we check out how you can use the tension and relaxation principle in order to improve your double bass endurance.
This way it becomes easier to play for long periods of time without wasting too much energy.
The second part of this video focuses on how you can get from a nervous, uncontrolled twitching motion with your feet to controlled tight double bass at slow-, mid- and up-tempos.
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Now I know I've been so wrong in my understanding about these crucial double bass mechanics, I feel like a fool. Thank you so much for sharing this valuable information for free!
I am a fan of your channel, would love to see your progress using this technique!
You're the best teacher Marthyn. I'm making so much progress thanks to you. Finally after 20 years of struggling I start to see the light.
I feel like I have good constant beater control but starting fast tempos quickly has been an issue, using the ankle motion only has been a big help but I'm working on that now. I love this stuff.
Another great lesson! I got a tip because I realised when playing I was struggling with my hip flexors getting tired when keeping my legs raised whilst doing the ankle technique. I realised that if I raised my drum throne a notch higher and sat further back on the chair that my hamstrings were more supported and this made it easier to keep my legs raised and relaxed to utilise my calf muscles for higher tempos for longer periods of time.
You're the awesome, Marthyn!
Thank you. This is very helpful
Thank you so much! From the bottom of my heart!
Thanks again and I'm glad to see you are doing well-heavy metal as always Marthyn!
Hey Marthyn great tips as always! 🤘🏼🥁💀
This is pure gold
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾 Thanks you Marthyn 🤘🏾🤟🏾 From Argentina 🇦🇷
Very informative and masterful instruction video...🤘🏽
Scientific explanation...impressive..cant thank you more marthyn
Please don't mind...I watched Samus review about you, but not full. Without checking your details, I thought that you were one of those wannabe drum teachers; my stupidity...Then, I saw your review about Samus and found out your 'maturity and humility' which got me more interested. Then I went deeper and saw your drumming from this channel along with many other videos on youtube...Found out about your career with a big metal band too...Well brother! You are one extremely humble, extremely talented metal drummer and a very good person. God bless you...
That review on Samus and lots of other videos on your channel are simply great...
superb, clear, logical, scientific, and well explained.
What a pleasure - this video answers some questions I had while watching the last video about the ankle technique. Especially the slow motion passage was really helpful. I´m full of motivation to work it out because of your amazing teaching skills! Thanx!
I love your videos and Thank you so much for all the help you giving us on this videos!! CHEERS From San Antonio tx
Great approach, useful tips and positive attitude! Greetings from Munich 😀
Exelent marthyn !!!
thank u thank u thank u. I've tried so many techniques. listened to so many peeps. 15 minutes after this video and I got it down. thx
Great Tips, Thanks!
Oh yeah! That's amazing.
Wow man! This video will definitely help me, thank you so much!
you're welcome
Very usefull....tx marthyn
Great Video! Thank you for saving many drummers' careers!
😂 thx for watching my videos...
Thankyou sir
Awesome video again! What about strengthening the spring tension instead of the beater weight? Would that help as well?
Thanks for the video and all the great content.
Do you think there are pedal settings that really hinder ankle technique? I worry my pedal settings are just crap
Awesome video Marthyn! Looking forward to the next video. Have gotten up to 210 using ankle motion with your BDM course. Still struggling with adding/controlling the thigh contraction at faster tempos.
congratz!!!
Technical and useful for everyone! Im studying on the book Time Functioning Patterns and i brought my grooves to 100 bpm but the bass pedal has to move in 16th like it was 200 bpm 8th, that video helped me so much and gave me trust about teaching! Thx very much!
I've been practicing this technique for an hour straight (I'm a shin abusing drummer). Re training myself from tensing my tibialis anterior to relaxing it while contracting my calf was the hardest part, but I can already see the difference because it feels more relaxed or fluid.
Currently on 120 bpm working the ladder alternating R L.
Great video, thank you very much.
Now i know that the way i play, is good technique wise nice
Marthyn saves my life
Brilliant vid thanks so much. Half my career can be described as an uncontrolled twitching motion!!
Thanks, Marthyn. I have learned a lot from your videos. I'll keep an eye on my countryman's section, David Mc Graw. Greetings from Chile.
Marthyn is like Bruce lee . He’s already a Master but still trying to gain other drummer’s knowledge and techniques. 🤘💪
Damn good explanation 💪
Hey Marthyn, thanks for the video, and all the guides you do. I do have a quick couple questions though. I don't have any beater weights however, I have extended my beaters all the way, but still end up getting the uneven nervous twitch motions. How can I overcome this? Would a beater weight be the next best thing, or is there something else I can do to gain more control without a beater weight?
do you also have a video about spring tension? I'm starting to get into double bass and I guess the spring tension is a crucial part
Thx for the very helpful video! Great content as usual! :-) I've got a problem with the technique though. This might seem weird though, but when playing 16th notes at 140 bpm the angle at which the beater swings back far exceeds 90°. That leads to my feet getting hit by the beater swing, which hurts if I do it for a longer period of time... I tried adjusting my pedal settings but regardless of how I do it, it's either my feet geting hit by the beater or I'm losing rebound and struggle to play clean 16ths. Do u have any advice? Thanks up front!
To get more feedback form the beater you can also mount the black cam instead of the red cam . The black cam has a smaller radius so the beater can lift your foot much easier when the it's is coming off the bassdrum head.
Great video still need to know about seat position but great info
😀 will cover that at one point
I just posted a comment about this, hope it helps (check the comment section)
this video couldnt have had better timing😍😂
time to start practicing :-)
Der Haken an dieser Technik, zumindest nach meiner Erfahrung: Man muss da konstant dran bleiben, Jahr für Jahr. Lange habe ich so gespielt, aber als Hobbymusiker hatte ich irgendwann nicht mehr die Zeit und von den einstigen 220 - 230 sauberen BPM bleibt nach ner Weile wieder nur die altbekannte 190-Barriere. Ich hab dann umgesattelt auf etwas, das ich bisher nur unter dem Namen "constant release technique" gefunden hab - ohne bis dahin gewusst zu haben, dass das ne "Technik" ist. Hatte einfach nur versucht, das Prinzip Doublestrokes so umzubauen, das es auch ungetriggert funktioniert. Wanja Gröger macht auch sowas in der Richtung. Vorteil: 270 BPM sind damit auch für faule Hobbydrummer wie mich ziemlich sauber spielbar. Nachteil: lässt sich nicht so entspannt spielen wie ne ankle-motion, somit nur für überschaubare 30 - 60 Sekunden spielbar, außer natürlich man trainiert das so massiv wie der erwähnte Herr Gröger - wo wir wieder beim Zeitfaktor wären.
Hi Marthyn. I suffered a back injury, a herniated disc that over time made me lose mobility, sensation and control in my right leg. I got to control and play sixteenth notes at 230 to 240 bmp with the double pedal when I was fine. I have spent years trying to re-control the double pedal but it has become very difficult, what recommendations could you give me regarding this problem please
I really love this last two videos, both are very great and instructional. Just have one question... i'm seeing a lot of different techniques and the most of them talk about the spring tension, i know you are covering a lot of the beater angle and stuff. would you recomend to put the tension of the spring to the top?.. sorry if my english isn't good enough, greetings from Mèxico!
by the way, i'm seeing that the movement comes natural with the time
hey hey... I'm going to cover that topic in another video at one point
Hi. Nice video. What is the pedals you use? Thanks.
How do you control the amount of the beater swing? At faster tempos, my beater swing needs to decrease but it swings around 90 degrees for me. How can I decrease the amount of the beater swing? Thanks
Hi there, I'm interesting about what kind of extra-weight he uses in this video?
Do you only use the Beater Weight while practicing, or do you use it all the time?
I have all problems you mentioned with the pedal constant motion. What could be a starting beater weight?
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How do I get your full tutorials?
Hi Marthyn,
Which spring tension do you set when practicing the ankle technique? Do you keep the same for actual playing? What would you suggest?
Thanks in advance!
hey... I might cover that topic in another video...
I have the same question about the spring tension. When drummers play, it seems so easy and smooth. Hope to see what Martin says.
I just tried the way he shows in the video, heavy weights and beater all the way up and it's just unplayable. The beater takes a lot of time and energy to hit the head and when it comes back the plate comes up too strongly to contol. The muscles burm much more so I guess it's good workout but I didn't get past like 85 bpm in eight notes...
Great video, thanks! I did not understand one thing, what is the name of this technique? This is not like the classic heel-up technique, as heel-up uses the shin muscle to move the foot, but you use the calf. This is the first time I saw this approach to playing bass drum =)
IT calls "Ankle Motion" Technique! Check out Marthyns other Video about this technique here on UA-cam
Please do matt mc guire reaction
I have been working on both feet individually to get the beater swing right and cultivate a powerful even sound. I found that playing 8ths on one foot at a tempo starting around 160 and playing alternating 8th notes on my hands in unison with the single foot. Doing this with a click allows you to strengthen your foot muscles and get your weaker foot up to even. Try it out and let me know what you guys think!
I knew that weight, or heavy beater is the answer :)
One thing I'm struggle with is that when I increasing the speed of my double bass I get a couple of double stamps (left and right hits the bass drum at the same time) from time to time. I will end your course later (I have concussion syndrome since more than 2 years so l can't practice so often and not for long time so taking class every week as it is now is unfortunate impossible) when I'm myself again :-) Thanks for all the great shares you do. Do you have any video about my problems?
Thanks from Sweden 🇸🇪
Jonas Lindberg i was gonna say the same! The individual feet can do 200+ no problem, but when i do both i get double stamps sometimes :’(
I’m facing the same difficulty too. I’ve started this technique 1 day ago but I Guess have to keep working at it - it will sort out by itself eventually (I hope!).
This means one foot needs a tad bit more work staying on beat, try isolating each foot for a while, than bring them back together every now and than
Should the footboard be 45 degrees?
What pedals is he using?
Wie klingt das Ganze ohne Triggers?
Marthyn, do you smoke weed all the time or just some of the time?, just kidding, you're always smiling/laughing in your videos(it's contagious). You seem to really like what you do. I just started watching your stuff after seeing you in the 66Samus video. I like the way you teach, thank you
If I had found your material when I still was a teenager maybe my drumming career would have gotten somewhere. I spent my entire life playing double pedal wrong.
Is there a wrong way to play
@@henglish3398 Yes sir, if you lock your ankle and play pushing down with your upper leg, you will struggle to reach speeds over 150bpm
Great lesson man! I was just wondering if you have balkan roots? Perhaps Serbia, because your name doesnt sound austrian :D
they should learn this in da school! 😅
Why does it seem like Axis pedals have fallen out of favor, those polish pedals really that much better?
HighPriest VaticanAssasinWarlock axis is still a great option
He isn't using Czarcie Kopyto. He is using some custom made pedals P-60, or something like that, from some German company I think. Also any direct drive pedal will do. Although I'll admit that I see more and more European drummers going for the Demon Drive instead of any other pedal.
My startingpoint is like 180bpm. Its a struggle to play it at 170bpm for me. Although i have worked up fulleg motion of some sort for slower 0-170 tempos. :D Good shit this! Would kill for information like this when i started back in 1999 :D Back then we could see a glimse of whole conserts and for like 1sec we could se someones leg doing something :D
@thors blot yea, well i think i had to do that also... for many years with my Iron Cobras i was using only fulleg motion and got pretty fast maybe 160bpm then.. But i could not understand how anyone got to above 180.. never thought of ankle motion or anything like this.. i touched it sometime but it was sloppy and i cound not control it so i didnt continue that... but something happend then i dont know really but accedently succeded some day to use ankle motion and then i started practice that only and got good... now its easier to play 200-230 than 170..:D
back In Ancient Rome, this guy would be Caesar’s personal wine maker. Smashing beats at 240 grapes per minute
:-)
Both my legs can twitch - albeit the right much faster than the left, but I have two issues:
1. The right can’t be slowed down 🤦🏽♂️
2. When played together (R L R L R L), they can’t be in perfect tandem with each other.
Help!
Try to focus on technique more than speed at first, get the motion perfected so it feels natural, than bring it to speed
@@finthehuman7517 Got the same problem. Feels almost impossible to keep my left leg on tempo at 140bpm which Marthyn suggested to be lowest starting tempo. Should I lower the tempo or just keep trying to get the left leg to stick at 140bpm?
@@sepexi try starting lower, and working your way up every day. Start at 100, increase by 5 and so on. This is building control, which is more important than speed
@@finthehuman7517 I've got the same 'Problem'. When I want to do a constant beater swing at 140 bpm minimum, I fall into this uncontrollable twitching thing. I tried it some days but it felt like I'm losing control more and more, even with leg strokes.
Something feels really wrong doing that.
I don't get how students can manage to start between 140-190 with ease.
For now I can do this motion very controlled at 110 (after two weeks of practicing at starting point 95bpm).
At that tempo I also have the beater swing like 90° and I don't use my chin muscle at all.
I feel I'm on the right track with this technique but for some reasons I cannot start where almost everbody does.
I will go ahead with practicing it that slow but controlled way and tell you my further experiences after a few weeks.
@@kevinkaferstein3278 I feel ya. I've got the same issue. I can go about 170bpm with my left foot with constant motion, beater swing and evenness but it's uncontrollable, still feels more like a twitch, and I can't go any slower. But going really slow like 100 bpm feels impossible to do such a motion with my ankle. I noticed your comment was from a couple years ago. If you've gotten over the twitching part, I could certainly use a useful tip. Lol
this technique is very complicated, so far my legs upset me ... keep working
Nice! Paulina Villarreal did this easily when she was 10 yo. Now she's a monster on the drumms better than many famous male drummers, and she sings while she plays, she's only 18
anymore reaction/analysis videos on the horizon?
Jamie Saint Merat of ULCERATE would be cool...
ua-cam.com/video/Vuk1v2m8BrI/v-deo.html
You left-handed but play right-handed? Now that's even more shocking...
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