Before I watch, I hope the title is clickbait and this whole vid is a troll. Edit: I was correct. This vid has nothing to do with bangalore. It's entirely about wall hacks and visual clutter in competetive. It wasn't even entertaining, I wouldn't waste your time.
Bangalore is pretty braindead and EZ though. People who say Wraith has a get out of jail free card and then play Bangalore are hypocrites. Cope harder.
@NinjaGamer-hm9iz I respond to actual arguments. I will change my mind based on facts. If you've got a problem with my comment, grow a pair and say it.
i dont leave likes before watching the whole video and hearing out the points but in this case i can't help it the editing is just so good and fun to watch, feels underrated as hell
I'm glad that you reached the conclusion that you did. I'm convinced Bang is both conceptually fine, and basically unnerfable without making her useless. The simple fact is that a smoke grenade tactical (Or any tactical ability with the sole purpose of visual clutter) is totally unique to her within Apex Legends. This unique utility will be strong as long as it is usable, just because it is a genuinely unique tactical. I'd argue that every other character's Tactical ability can broadly be categorised as "Damage, Movement, Info, or HP", but Bang is completely alone in "Visual obstruction". Wallhacks and scans exacerbate the issue, but they don't fundementally change Bangalore or what her utility does - People just discovered how to actually use her, like you said. It's always been so so strange to me that it took Apex players so long to discover Bang's usefulness, despite smoke grenades being an integral part of most competitive shooters as well as being an actual common military tool. It's a smoke greande, it has always been a smoke grenade, and smoke grenades have ALWAYS had a use. Fitting it into a comp is another issue, but her kit has always been useful and well rounded. It's the same as what happened with Crypto to an extent. Wallhacks have ALWAYS been useful, it's just that Seer being overpowered made everyone realise it, then when he was nerfed we played Bloodhound in comp with Bang+Caustic, and then when they were nerfed (And Crypto was buffed too, obviously) suddenly the only viable scan legend left goes from a meme, to turbo-meta must pick. The main difference I see between these situations is that nobody competes with Bang in her ability to obscure vision, because outside of ultimates it is a unique ability - If a team thinks smokes are useful, Bangalore is the only option and becomes the backbone of the comp.
Agreed, but If I remember correctly most people in comp didn't play bang for the longest time due to how strong scan characters were like blood or seer and people thought it left your team at a disadvantage because blood's tactical used to be like a 3 sec scan which would get your team killed but I fully agree even with scans she was always an amazing character it took a while for people to utilize her correctly
Bangs smokes are nice, but her passive movement buff when getting shot at is the real bread winner for me personally. Amount of movement options it opens up mid 1v1 is crazy good.
@@mathiaschristensen1194 Yeah, Bang passive feels really op. I'm shooting someone, and when they shoot back I'm sprinting into cover with 300 mph. Dropping a smoke and dissappearing into the night of E-District.
I've been a Bangalore main since season 1, playing cs: go had taught me the power of smoke grenades and the speed boost is so nice. I was surprised to learn the pros are just now starting to use her more.
This just shows that Shiv was way ahead of the game even before Bang became meta. I love Bangalore, she is my third main when wraith and lifeline is picked on my squad. I always recommend her way back then to my friends who are new to apex. Her kit is familiar to them, giving them an easier way to adjusting to apex.
Only aoex i can watch nowadays, not talking negative a whole week on the same topic or about it "Dying". Refreshing, informational Gameplay/Comp Vid, as players we need
I still felt like one of the issues with characters like bang was that she was so reliant on other legends yet she was impossible to nerf, so because she was everywhere collateral damage went to everyone she was paired with. Like Seer, he git nerfed because he was definitely very strong but also due to bang. Then we have bloodhound becoming useless due to bang as well. Making the game go into a large crypto meta. I feel like even tho bang is fine snd i think shes okay but shes unhealthy for all the characters shes paired with.
Yall wanting to ban one of the only actual good legends in the game is crazy. Apex players just complain about everything like just cause a legends good doesn’t mean they should be ban like what?! Glad I stopped playing this
Deadass. Just cause she’s the most used doenst mean she’s op lol, those two are not coincided. There’s dumb legends like rev, rampart in the game who r op
Another thing you didn't mention is that everyone else (especially scan legends, who were known for countering her) got nerfed, leaving people with no better option than the one legend who wasn't touched since day 1.
I thought this video was on lore like bangalore being in the apex games to find her brother and then staying in the apex games and hating her brother when he found her
I'll bawl my eyes out and be sad if my bro were ever missing or dead. But also find him dumb and annoying every time his lips move. Bangalore is very relatable lol
For your information Bang has the highest pick rate out of all of them, even tho all she has ever gotten during the entirety of this game was nerfs not a single buff EVER! as for skins, hardly anything as well.
A funny solution to the AA problem, make Mirage decoys aim assist magnets. Yeah his ult will wreck players who crutch AA, but that means you'll have to use a valuable legend slot on Mirage to do so.
Alr I'm tired of the AA complain you mnk players have movement tech controller can't do at all and have your entire arm for aim whilst using controller players have a stick and our thumb you have much more fine control in your entire arm then you do with just your thumb hence why aim assist even exists
@@TeddyKing77 I agree, roller should have movement too. Respawn's just too much of a pussy to make the change in fear of alienating the shitters who need the game to play for them.
I will like to add. Even if a legend never changes that doesn't mean they don't ever get better or worse. Apex has always had a nerfing problem. Cause it's easier to nerf things to the level of everything else than it is to buff everything else up to its level. While buffs happen occasionally. For every buff you see 3 nerfs are happening elsewhere. It's also easier to complain to get things nerfed also. You lose to something, you want that thing gone. Ego is something players are full of and even necessary to actually do good. As things get nerfed. Those things that were seen as balanced before get a boost in potency without changing anything at all. I also want to say even if something is dominant in Comp. I don't think that necessarily means that thing is overpowered. It just means their utility in more useful in this specific circumstance. It's the difference between Wattson in pubs, Wattson in Ranked, and Wattson in Comp. Which is kind of the same conclusion you came to with Bangalore. Cause she's not overpowered in pubs or ranked. She is in Comp but let's be real the OP nature was also exacerbated due to the fact that everyone was running her. Cause then the smoke is no longer this small area, it can in many cases be the entire arena that those 5 to 10 teams in final ring have to fight through. Pubs and Ranked rarely see that many teams in final ring, and if they do 1 or 2 Bangalore's doesn't change much. When you have several teams in the final ring all with Bangalore, suddenly that's when it does become an issue. Since all those smokes work with and against each other. It's effectively 5 to 10 Bangalore's unconsciously actually working together to create the ultimate smoke nuke that covers the entire arena for everyone including themselves.
So the problem with bang is that her smoke creates problems for three different groups: casual players, competitive players, and competitive viewers. And the solutions for each aren't the same. Take comp viewers. The viewing experience is worse when it is just white with a digi to tell you what is going on, but the solution to that isnt nerfing bangalore or anything. Thats giving casters better tools for viewing the experience. Like, for example, turning the opacity of the smoke down to 20% or highlighting all players through smoke even when viewing a player's pov. The problem with casual play was that it lead to lopsided situations. By running teams that synergized with the smoke, it lead to teams being in a massive advantage with little recourse to the other team not running Seer, Crypto, or Bloodhound beyond "just craft digis 5head". Meanwhile, if youre just solo queuing bangalore and don't have a team that synergizes with her, she felt easily countered and negated. The changes this past year to bangalore to make her smoke both easier to counter through aggressive play by all legends (run in the smoke, see the other players be highlighted) while not negated by others (like bloodhound) was a good tradeoff for casual players of all skill levels... But didn't exactly *do* anything for her usefulness in comp. (It also doesn't communicate its properties well to players. Like I was only today years old when I learned smoke turned off aim assist completely. So people trying to counter rampant aggressive controller Horizons don't use her.) The problem with competitive is, well, balancing it doesn't come down to whether something is fair or balanced at all. Like any competitive game at its highlest level, it comes down to whether the meta is stagnant, is it needing more diversity, is player skill being rewarded, and are players enjoying its current state. Answering that and finding solutions is better left up for people more invested in competitive, but there are plenty of instances of competitive games being unbalanced, but nothing is addressed because players enjoy the unbalanced nature. Look at competitive Smash Bros, for example. Smash Ultimate mught be amore balanced and fair game than Melee, but a ton of players prefer Melee. With the split between Comp and Casual being so drastic in Apex, whatever is changed in one has ramifications on the rest of the playerbase in the other. So any changes need to be balanced between the two. I personally believe games should be balanced around the casual scene first and foremost and let the competitive scene shake out what is best in that. Because no matter how balanced you make something, competitive players will always try to eke out the best possible advantage.
Honestly the Bangalore smoke update where it gives outlines to everyone is just dumb like i understand y they did it because her and bloodhounds was a mess but still
So abilities that include smoking sight lines, sprinting, and zoning areas with explosives are the dumbest abilities in this game or a shooter? Bro wtf is this joke?
I still don't understand why they hit her ult and passive. I get it the smoke duration was crazy but like her evo shield options suck and she got nerfed in so many locations. She is still..... fine but like I feel she could be given something back outside of smoke duration.
ya know I always thought you maybe did a voice for the crow. until we played those few games in EEC the other day 🤣 also hot take but bring back digi threat 🤷
Biggets thing was s16 class change seer nerf that opened stage for bang. Off the video topic when class system came on s16 I was and still am rev main he was so good as assault legends
Tweakin but ok. She definitely was still the best character in the game before that and was still used by pros the most. Giving her 80 stacks on ammo didn’t make her that much better and the assault bins were only really good just because digi threats. Because digi threats truly made Bangalore stronger and nothing else.
@@fizz_time7003 personaly I hate that the tactical cannot damage the Doors anymore. Plus as former assault legend main u get good gear faster qnd u can carry more grandes. Assault class perk is under rated
@@sigi0650 its definitely not underrated. in pro league they care about map scans so recon is the best but assault is definitely obviously known as the best in casual since they don't usually need map scans and all the other perks are just mid or suck. only reason it might be underrated is because most of the assault characters suck and the perk isnt enough for people to play bad legends so instead they pick other characters. i think the damage from it getting removed is way better too because if you were just sitting from a low ground a team from above could spend every cooldown smoking you and have you waste your meds trying to heal 1 cell of damage and youd usually never end up using it to actually destroy doors.
Also great video. You've have really imrpoved on your storytelling. Once you get bored of apex or want to branch out, I would love to see you produce this type of vid for valorant or ow2 :)
0:11 Is this the good old days? I remember when they said bangalore was a perfect example of the most balanced legend. And then they nerfter smokes and so on amd so on 😅.
Horizon is just as bad as seer. Get your entire team on high ground while healing in the process. It’s not fair since no other movement ability allows you entire to heal while moving besides pad which is not that good.
@@BigPro1123 I would rather elevate the ability of another team than shut off most of my own ability as a character. There’s a reason horizon got nerfed from the sky into the trees, and seer went from above ground to hell itself.
Its a shame that bloodhound has had their entire identity stripped away from them because bangalore and seer started a catalyst (lol) of metas that relied WAY too much on wallhacks and aim assist
One of possible "viable" options about bangs smoke being balanced, is doing a viable rework to greanades. Hear me out. The ballon, actually not killed valkirie, but changed the "I need to fly and rotate, so I must pick valkirye" to "I can stack ballons, so I can >> choose
Basically this video shows why pros make apex not fun and as the only person who has used seer since season 10 its funny to watch people go from seer is trash to seer is OP when hes been the same for so long once season 10 nerfed him and honestly ive never like bang shes just not useful even now i enjoyed this video bruddah giving it a sub And im probably the last seer main on the planet lol
I had to uninstall this game due to it's servers. However, Bangalore used to be a great legend until they took away her threat detection in smoke. Now you can see each other in her smoke making it pointless. Now everyone just runs straight into her smoke and fights it out at close quarters. Before this one change she was a great legend and perfectly balanced. Also, not for nothing, but your jokes are super cringe.
Crazy how this bs of touching a perfectly balanced legend and fucking it up for normal players could be avoided by simply implementing a Legend Ban system like on LoL or R6 🤦🏾♂️ I hate when the pro scene "infects" the "normal" one where everyday joes spend their time
this vid has a ton of personality. zer0 made me love bang and appreciate the game more in general since she's so fast paced. between her and path and maybe horizon if I wanna turn up I know who to choose. thx for sharing.
She's dumb in comp but good in casual console. Love fighting on console with no AA in bang smoke mad fun. also it's enjoyable when a "Good" console player suddenly suddenly struggles when console aim assist isn't carrying them. Bang is just too good on console can't lie no matter the nerfs.
Yeah bangalore pretty much got the caustic treatments a normally balance legend that gets nerfed into oblivion cause her playstyle can easily be abused in the ways pros play the game in ALGS , which is "camp until zone is so small that they have no other choice but to fight" which in those very close quarter situations bangalore and caustic especially shine Tbh its kinda sad that blizzard does this for such reasons , cause it really only affects pro players and just ruins the fun for the rest of the community by destroying a legend Also there will always be a meta that pros will consider annoying or oppresive after a while , I wonder who they will ask to be put on the chopping block next They should just add legends ban in ALGS and stop destroying legends cause pros get tired of the very metas they create
That’s why bangs been in every comp since the beginning of the game practically. Only reason she wasn’t earlier is because people ont realize how good she actually was. Because horizons op.
@@fizz_time7003that is true. Bang didn’t become meta until the horizon cat bang meta. Then cat and bang got stomped into the dirt with nerfs and horizon got nothing meaningful
@@BigPro1123 also horizon did get nerfs, she got slowed down strafing speed on her tactical twice and than she got a slowdown on her lift speed and her ult no longer sucked people throuh walls which was pretty bad since pros used ult to clean wipe fights faster.
4:10 perfect place for the Incredibles scene. 4:59 also why would they wait to drop the portal? Wouldn't you want to be the first one who can shoot at the other Wraith and call your team? 10:02 Horizon's soul left the body for half a second.
for 4:59, often the portal is saved and used for critical team rotations through dangerous areas, meaning that its not just the wraiths life on the line but their teams placement that is dependent on dropping the portal in a good spot
Imma be honest and say that it’s mainly just a bit, and that it never “really” happened. But the bit is a joke on attempting to keep your portal alive longer, as chaotic endgames in that meta meant that the oldest portal could help a team survive longer
It’s sad they took the 10% damage away from her smoke…….wtf is she even good for 😂whomp whomp pros chose what’s actually good for the game not the devs
what a terrible wrong title, ridiculous, i will not even watch the video, the dumbest is for sure fuze or mad maggie, too ez dps, doing too much dps, with new cooldowns amelioration making it totally braindead, a bangalore can be ez to counter, fuze and maggie are a lot of more dangerous in fight
@@JasonTalksEverything nah, if people arent watching its because the season is bad. like right now. if pro league doesnt get watched its not because of bang its because the gun meta sucks and using assault rifles as smgs is easier than smgs ever were in there prime, using no recoil burst guns, and easy af to use eva8/mastif/and mozams arent fun to watch or play. pros themselves got mad when they nerfed bang for the first time in forever because she speeds up the pace of the game. without her your not just not going to make a rotate. but you will die on the cross because you dont have a smoke to safely rotate. gibby usually would be the only person to replace her as hes the only other person in the game with a pushing tool on a tactical cooldown, however that wont happen because nobody is going to play him if mad maggie exist in the game. therefore you would have no pushing tools and you wouldnt be able to rotate some places because you have no freedom or safety.
Why there aren't legend bans yet at ALGS is beyond me. What's entertaining about watching (or lack there of with bang) the same cookie cut teams from beginning to end? Everyone does the same thing, and everyone focuses too much on niche playstyles.
Before Bang was in the meta I always wondered why she never got picked, her kit was so good for team fights and now that the pros discovered her use, they want to nerf her to ground like wtf
Before I watch, I hope the title is clickbait and this whole vid is a troll.
Edit: I was correct. This vid has nothing to do with bangalore. It's entirely about wall hacks and visual clutter in competetive. It wasn't even entertaining, I wouldn't waste your time.
😂😂
Bangalore is pretty braindead and EZ though. People who say Wraith has a get out of jail free card and then play Bangalore are hypocrites. Cope harder.
@@pinkplasticlaggamer spotted….
pin of shame
@NinjaGamer-hm9iz I respond to actual arguments. I will change my mind based on facts. If you've got a problem with my comment, grow a pair and say it.
You forgot the time when only bloodhound could see through the smokes
Oh god, the PTSD from Seer's original tactical being mentioned. I have no idea what Respawn was thinking, releasing him in that state.
i hate this legends to this day
Fr cancel everything, 10 dmg, wall hack all in one Q is crazy
Even when he was nerfed he was so fun when he just had the cancel. I didn’t know he was so powerful until the nerfs
@@alexandremantua6208also you used to get flashed on top of all that lmao
They weren't thinking at all
i dont leave likes before watching the whole video and hearing out the points but in this case i can't help it the editing is just so good and fun to watch, feels underrated as hell
Thx so much for the info, u are pretty charismatic, my tiny crow love ur vids keep it up 💪🤠🤙
Hey you have something wrong in this video?, their werent ring consoles back then when u supposeldy said " scan the map to find out the next ring"
I'm glad that you reached the conclusion that you did. I'm convinced Bang is both conceptually fine, and basically unnerfable without making her useless. The simple fact is that a smoke grenade tactical (Or any tactical ability with the sole purpose of visual clutter) is totally unique to her within Apex Legends. This unique utility will be strong as long as it is usable, just because it is a genuinely unique tactical. I'd argue that every other character's Tactical ability can broadly be categorised as "Damage, Movement, Info, or HP", but Bang is completely alone in "Visual obstruction". Wallhacks and scans exacerbate the issue, but they don't fundementally change Bangalore or what her utility does - People just discovered how to actually use her, like you said.
It's always been so so strange to me that it took Apex players so long to discover Bang's usefulness, despite smoke grenades being an integral part of most competitive shooters as well as being an actual common military tool. It's a smoke greande, it has always been a smoke grenade, and smoke grenades have ALWAYS had a use. Fitting it into a comp is another issue, but her kit has always been useful and well rounded.
It's the same as what happened with Crypto to an extent. Wallhacks have ALWAYS been useful, it's just that Seer being overpowered made everyone realise it, then when he was nerfed we played Bloodhound in comp with Bang+Caustic, and then when they were nerfed (And Crypto was buffed too, obviously) suddenly the only viable scan legend left goes from a meme, to turbo-meta must pick. The main difference I see between these situations is that nobody competes with Bang in her ability to obscure vision, because outside of ultimates it is a unique ability - If a team thinks smokes are useful, Bangalore is the only option and becomes the backbone of the comp.
Agreed, but If I remember correctly most people in comp didn't play bang for the longest time due to how strong scan characters were like blood or seer and people thought it left your team at a disadvantage because blood's tactical used to be like a 3 sec scan which would get your team killed but I fully agree even with scans she was always an amazing character it took a while for people to utilize her correctly
Bangs smokes are nice, but her passive movement buff when getting shot at is the real bread winner for me personally. Amount of movement options it opens up mid 1v1 is crazy good.
first time I climbed to diamond was with bang, came from CSGO so I was all over those smokes. I feel naked without smokes
@@CataclysmicEnby it was really a skill issue, you can screw your team if you smoke at the wrong time and place for sure
@@mathiaschristensen1194 Yeah, Bang passive feels really op. I'm shooting someone, and when they shoot back I'm sprinting into cover with 300 mph. Dropping a smoke and dissappearing into the night of E-District.
im suprised you didnt mention the blood bang combo that was taking over for awhile before they nerfed blood
Love it.
I am dump Bangalore main and still can't find why Bang rises in ALGS.
Hope you do analysis various current comps also.
I've been a Bangalore main since season 1, playing cs: go had taught me the power of smoke grenades and the speed boost is so nice. I was surprised to learn the pros are just now starting to use her more.
God i love ur sona's lil hops
holy shit I love little animations, especially at 2:55
i cant imagine playing the game without bang after i learnt how to use smokes well
as a bang main just make her smokes smaller if u wanna nerf her
So the problem in controller input, not bangalore?
You have to admit bro all that chaos and smoke at the end game looks like a real war. Intense stuff
You weren’t wrong you could get them with manipulation of the assault bin they actually had to nerf the spawn rate.
This just shows that Shiv was way ahead of the game even before Bang became meta. I love Bangalore, she is my third main when wraith and lifeline is picked on my squad. I always recommend her way back then to my friends who are new to apex. Her kit is familiar to them, giving them an easier way to adjusting to apex.
i been playing Apex since launch and only stunned maybe 1 or 2 enemies with her ultimate, her ultimate should have been like gibbys
1:29 that animation deserves a like
Only aoex i can watch nowadays, not talking negative a whole week on the same topic or about it "Dying". Refreshing, informational Gameplay/Comp Vid, as players we need
Actual apex content 🫶🏻
I still felt like one of the issues with characters like bang was that she was so reliant on other legends yet she was impossible to nerf, so because she was everywhere collateral damage went to everyone she was paired with. Like Seer, he git nerfed because he was definitely very strong but also due to bang. Then we have bloodhound becoming useless due to bang as well. Making the game go into a large crypto meta. I feel like even tho bang is fine snd i think shes okay but shes unhealthy for all the characters shes paired with.
Is there full credit song
@@kriologiksolo1172 Sun Squad Collection Event theme - Apex Legends
Came for a Bangalore diss track and had to rewatch it because I was distracted by the fun animations.
great video glad I could help
Yall wanting to ban one of the only actual good legends in the game is crazy. Apex players just complain about everything like just cause a legends good doesn’t mean they should be ban like what?! Glad I stopped playing this
and here we are, you complaining about other people haha
Deadass. Just cause she’s the most used doenst mean she’s op lol, those two are not coincided. There’s dumb legends like rev, rampart in the game who r op
@@younggeezerrr3156 shes op you're just bad with her
@@resolute7177 she’s not lol, she’s really good not op learn the difference
Another thing you didn't mention is that everyone else (especially scan legends, who were known for countering her) got nerfed, leaving people with no better option than the one legend who wasn't touched since day 1.
I thought this video was on lore like bangalore being in the apex games to find her brother and then staying in the apex games and hating her brother when he found her
the lore IS pretty dumb, now that u mention it😂
I'll bawl my eyes out and be sad if my bro were ever missing or dead. But also find him dumb and annoying every time his lips move. Bangalore is very relatable lol
For your information Bang has the highest pick rate out of all of them, even tho all she has ever gotten during the entirety of this game was nerfs not a single buff EVER! as for skins, hardly anything as well.
Is she still a starter legend? I would like to see her changed out of it if so. New people and smokes are a pain.
Really funny video bro. Take my subscription
A funny solution to the AA problem, make Mirage decoys aim assist magnets. Yeah his ult will wreck players who crutch AA, but that means you'll have to use a valuable legend slot on Mirage to do so.
Wow, this is genuinely brilliant
Alr I'm tired of the AA complain you mnk players have movement tech controller can't do at all and have your entire arm for aim whilst using controller players have a stick and our thumb you have much more fine control in your entire arm then you do with just your thumb hence why aim assist even exists
@@TeddyKing77 I agree, roller should have movement too. Respawn's just too much of a pussy to make the change in fear of alienating the shitters who need the game to play for them.
Just make it to where you autoaim if your ads is in a certain radius of it, no point in making it worse for just controller players
You dont get aa on mirage clones. Its how i detect the real one usually.
Nerf bloodhound again can't scan when u in smoke
Shout out to ShivFPS
I enjoy this type of Apex content also!
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I will like to add. Even if a legend never changes that doesn't mean they don't ever get better or worse.
Apex has always had a nerfing problem. Cause it's easier to nerf things to the level of everything else than it is to buff everything else up to its level. While buffs happen occasionally. For every buff you see 3 nerfs are happening elsewhere.
It's also easier to complain to get things nerfed also. You lose to something, you want that thing gone. Ego is something players are full of and even necessary to actually do good.
As things get nerfed. Those things that were seen as balanced before get a boost in potency without changing anything at all.
I also want to say even if something is dominant in Comp. I don't think that necessarily means that thing is overpowered. It just means their utility in more useful in this specific circumstance. It's the difference between Wattson in pubs, Wattson in Ranked, and Wattson in Comp.
Which is kind of the same conclusion you came to with Bangalore. Cause she's not overpowered in pubs or ranked. She is in Comp but let's be real the OP nature was also exacerbated due to the fact that everyone was running her. Cause then the smoke is no longer this small area, it can in many cases be the entire arena that those 5 to 10 teams in final ring have to fight through. Pubs and Ranked rarely see that many teams in final ring, and if they do 1 or 2 Bangalore's doesn't change much. When you have several teams in the final ring all with Bangalore, suddenly that's when it does become an issue. Since all those smokes work with and against each other. It's effectively 5 to 10 Bangalore's unconsciously actually working together to create the ultimate smoke nuke that covers the entire arena for everyone including themselves.
So the problem with bang is that her smoke creates problems for three different groups: casual players, competitive players, and competitive viewers. And the solutions for each aren't the same.
Take comp viewers. The viewing experience is worse when it is just white with a digi to tell you what is going on, but the solution to that isnt nerfing bangalore or anything. Thats giving casters better tools for viewing the experience. Like, for example, turning the opacity of the smoke down to 20% or highlighting all players through smoke even when viewing a player's pov.
The problem with casual play was that it lead to lopsided situations. By running teams that synergized with the smoke, it lead to teams being in a massive advantage with little recourse to the other team not running Seer, Crypto, or Bloodhound beyond "just craft digis 5head". Meanwhile, if youre just solo queuing bangalore and don't have a team that synergizes with her, she felt easily countered and negated.
The changes this past year to bangalore to make her smoke both easier to counter through aggressive play by all legends (run in the smoke, see the other players be highlighted) while not negated by others (like bloodhound) was a good tradeoff for casual players of all skill levels... But didn't exactly *do* anything for her usefulness in comp.
(It also doesn't communicate its properties well to players. Like I was only today years old when I learned smoke turned off aim assist completely. So people trying to counter rampant aggressive controller Horizons don't use her.)
The problem with competitive is, well, balancing it doesn't come down to whether something is fair or balanced at all. Like any competitive game at its highlest level, it comes down to whether the meta is stagnant, is it needing more diversity, is player skill being rewarded, and are players enjoying its current state.
Answering that and finding solutions is better left up for people more invested in competitive, but there are plenty of instances of competitive games being unbalanced, but nothing is addressed because players enjoy the unbalanced nature.
Look at competitive Smash Bros, for example. Smash Ultimate mught be amore balanced and fair game than Melee, but a ton of players prefer Melee.
With the split between Comp and Casual being so drastic in Apex, whatever is changed in one has ramifications on the rest of the playerbase in the other. So any changes need to be balanced between the two.
I personally believe games should be balanced around the casual scene first and foremost and let the competitive scene shake out what is best in that. Because no matter how balanced you make something, competitive players will always try to eke out the best possible advantage.
Genuinely shocked im the first like on this comment. Ur right thi
I thought you were going to mention apex legends most brilliant line ever: first blood! Gotta be someone.
Yooo your videos are good
High quality vid keep up the good work dude
Excellent documentation
Honestly the Bangalore smoke update where it gives outlines to everyone is just dumb like i understand y they did it because her and bloodhounds was a mess but still
So abilities that include smoking sight lines, sprinting, and zoning areas with explosives are the dumbest abilities in this game or a shooter? Bro wtf is this joke?
i very much enjoyed watching this
As he hit plat yet
I still don't understand why they hit her ult and passive. I get it the smoke duration was crazy but like her evo shield options suck and she got nerfed in so many locations. She is still..... fine but like I feel she could be given something back outside of smoke duration.
ya know I always thought you maybe did a voice for the crow. until we played those few games in EEC the other day 🤣 also hot take but bring back digi threat 🤷
I loterally couldn't give less of a shit about apex
But man was this video a fun watch
Biggets thing was s16 class change seer nerf that opened stage for bang. Off the video topic when class system came on s16 I was and still am rev main he was so good as assault legends
Tweakin but ok. She definitely was still the best character in the game before that and was still used by pros the most. Giving her 80 stacks on ammo didn’t make her that much better and the assault bins were only really good just because digi threats. Because digi threats truly made Bangalore stronger and nothing else.
@@fizz_time7003 personaly I hate that the tactical cannot damage the Doors anymore. Plus as former assault legend main u get good gear faster qnd u can carry more grandes. Assault class perk is under rated
@@sigi0650 its definitely not underrated. in pro league they care about map scans so recon is the best but assault is definitely obviously known as the best in casual since they don't usually need map scans and all the other perks are just mid or suck. only reason it might be underrated is because most of the assault characters suck and the perk isnt enough for people to play bad legends so instead they pick other characters. i think the damage from it getting removed is way better too because if you were just sitting from a low ground a team from above could spend every cooldown smoking you and have you waste your meds trying to heal 1 cell of damage and youd usually never end up using it to actually destroy doors.
Also great video. You've have really imrpoved on your storytelling. Once you get bored of apex or want to branch out, I would love to see you produce this type of vid for valorant or ow2 :)
"Hey bang pass the..." 🤣😂 I'm dead lmfao
Edit : 13:10
0:11 Is this the good old days? I remember when they said bangalore was a perfect example of the most balanced legend. And then they nerfter smokes and so on amd so on 😅.
And she is still on top too she will never be stopped
7:09 This is like comparing God to one of his Angels. Seer literally shuts your , once functioning game, off. It’s incomparable.
Horizon is just as bad as seer. Get your entire team on high ground while healing in the process. It’s not fair since no other movement ability allows you entire to heal while moving besides pad which is not that good.
@@BigPro1123 I would rather elevate the ability of another team than shut off most of my own ability as a character. There’s a reason horizon got nerfed from the sky into the trees, and seer went from above ground to hell itself.
@@BigPro1123 nvm, saw your channel💀
On god 💀
Top tier content
Its a shame that bloodhound has had their entire identity stripped away from them because bangalore and seer started a catalyst (lol) of metas that relied WAY too much on wallhacks and aim assist
Bangalore mains, RISE 🗣️🔥‼️
OG BANGALORE MAINS UNITE!
haha he raven animation is cute
Make more meta teams videos. I'm interested in seeing how the teams evolved over the years
One of possible "viable" options about bangs smoke being balanced, is doing a viable rework to greanades. Hear me out. The ballon, actually not killed valkirie, but changed the "I need to fly and rotate, so I must pick valkirye" to "I can stack ballons, so I can >> choose
her passive. It is the best in the game right after horizons
It’s her tactical. A pushing device on a tactical cooldown. Its basically like a cat ult with half the cooldown.
Great vid! Fuck bang
Do a video like this for catalyst and ill sub
😂😂 I love the vid. I don’t agree though cause bang is my love and always been. But this vid had me dying fam.
listen here you little Crow.....
ok it wasn't bad.
Another quality video. Ty.
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Horizon
Delete horizon. So OP and easy to play
this shit was actual peak youtube content
Except the fact that the whole topic is dumb. Bangalore is not OP.
Bangalore is dumb, metas are 😂
Basically this video shows why pros make apex not fun and as the only person who has used seer since season 10 its funny to watch people go from seer is trash to seer is OP when hes been the same for so long once season 10 nerfed him and honestly ive never like bang shes just not useful even now i enjoyed this video bruddah giving it a sub
And im probably the last seer main on the planet lol
I had to uninstall this game due to it's servers. However, Bangalore used to be a great legend until they took away her threat detection in smoke. Now you can see each other in her smoke making it pointless. Now everyone just runs straight into her smoke and fights it out at close quarters. Before this one change she was a great legend and perfectly balanced. Also, not for nothing, but your jokes are super cringe.
Crazy how this bs of touching a perfectly balanced legend and fucking it up for normal players could be avoided by simply implementing a Legend Ban system like on LoL or R6 🤦🏾♂️
I hate when the pro scene "infects" the "normal" one where everyday joes spend their time
this vid has a ton of personality. zer0 made me love bang and appreciate the game more in general since she's so fast paced. between her and path and maybe horizon if I wanna turn up I know who to choose. thx for sharing.
She's dumb in comp but good in casual console. Love fighting on console with no AA in bang smoke mad fun. also it's enjoyable when a "Good" console player suddenly suddenly struggles when console aim assist isn't carrying them. Bang is just too good on console can't lie no matter the nerfs.
Yeah bangalore pretty much got the caustic treatments a normally balance legend that gets nerfed into oblivion cause her playstyle can easily be abused in the ways pros play the game in ALGS , which is "camp until zone is so small that they have no other choice but to fight" which in those very close quarter situations bangalore and caustic especially shine
Tbh its kinda sad that blizzard does this for such reasons , cause it really only affects pro players and just ruins the fun for the rest of the community by destroying a legend
Also there will always be a meta that pros will consider annoying or oppresive after a while , I wonder who they will ask to be put on the chopping block next
They should just add legends ban in ALGS and stop destroying legends cause pros get tired of the very metas they create
Are you reading an AI script 💀
I just hate her personality, she is the worst apex legend even if she was the least meta
Dunno how much longer this game will be around.
not watching booooooooo we love bang >:(
This video should be titled the story of Bangalore. Not why she is dumb….
Good video tho, but title deceived me
must be a dumb legend considering that Shivfps mains her. how many kills does he have?
You what’s dumber than BANGLORE .. her VOICELINES 😂😂😂
wowwww another great video!!! this was a really interesting topic that covered more than i expected.
#27 bang here. I'm offended.
Babe wake up! Crow man uploaded
I think everyone, except Loba, is equally dumb and pointless, some more than others.
And the Twitter Stans make me sick.
Bang was never the dumbest imo. Horizon is so OP with her dumb passive and lift. I can’t see a single downside in horizons kit unlike everyone else.
That’s why bangs been in every comp since the beginning of the game practically. Only reason she wasn’t earlier is because people ont realize how good she actually was. Because horizons op.
@@fizz_time7003that is true. Bang didn’t become meta until the horizon cat bang meta. Then cat and bang got stomped into the dirt with nerfs and horizon got nothing meaningful
@@BigPro1123 nah it was like valk seer bang meta when she first started
@@BigPro1123 also horizon did get nerfs, she got slowed down strafing speed on her tactical twice and than she got a slowdown on her lift speed and her ult no longer sucked people throuh walls which was pretty bad since pros used ult to clean wipe fights faster.
4:10 perfect place for the Incredibles scene.
4:59 also why would they wait to drop the portal? Wouldn't you want to be the first one who can shoot at the other Wraith and call your team?
10:02 Horizon's soul left the body for half a second.
for 4:59, often the portal is saved and used for critical team rotations through dangerous areas, meaning that its not just the wraiths life on the line but their teams placement that is dependent on dropping the portal in a good spot
@@josephtan5577 yeah I get that but if they're staring at each other, I thought that they don't have much % on their ult left anyway.
Imma be honest and say that it’s mainly just a bit, and that it never “really” happened. But the bit is a joke on attempting to keep your portal alive longer, as chaotic endgames in that meta meant that the oldest portal could help a team survive longer
@@MooreOverVO oh ok, thx 😆
Bong not dumb u am dumb (sorry for the typos, I couldn't see my keyboard.)
It’s sad they took the 10% damage away from her smoke…….wtf is she even good for 😂whomp whomp pros chose what’s actually good for the game not the devs
what a terrible wrong title, ridiculous, i will not even watch the video, the dumbest is for sure fuze or mad maggie, too ez dps, doing too much dps, with new cooldowns amelioration making it totally braindead, a bangalore can be ez to counter, fuze and maggie are a lot of more dangerous in fight
what are you, the FNG?
@@PhantasmXYZ what are your arguments?
I dont get why bans have not been introduced into the ALGS. Character diversity would skyrocket. Im tired of seeing bang
Pros don’t want to ban Bangalore.
@@fizz_time7003Pros won't have a job If no one watches ALGS because the same type of fight happens again and again.
@@JasonTalksEverything nah, if people arent watching its because the season is bad. like right now. if pro league doesnt get watched its not because of bang its because the gun meta sucks and using assault rifles as smgs is easier than smgs ever were in there prime, using no recoil burst guns, and easy af to use eva8/mastif/and mozams arent fun to watch or play. pros themselves got mad when they nerfed bang for the first time in forever because she speeds up the pace of the game. without her your not just not going to make a rotate. but you will die on the cross because you dont have a smoke to safely rotate. gibby usually would be the only person to replace her as hes the only other person in the game with a pushing tool on a tactical cooldown, however that wont happen because nobody is going to play him if mad maggie exist in the game. therefore you would have no pushing tools and you wouldnt be able to rotate some places because you have no freedom or safety.
Why there aren't legend bans yet at ALGS is beyond me.
What's entertaining about watching (or lack there of with bang) the same cookie cut teams from beginning to end? Everyone does the same thing, and everyone focuses too much on niche playstyles.
thats a great idea tbh , if banning somehow got in ranked , id also be happy too but i cant see how it can be implemented in ranked
wow love how moore is sitting with the girls at ALGS good for you dude lmfao, good video btw
Before Bang was in the meta I always wondered why she never got picked, her kit was so good for team fights and now that the pros discovered her use, they want to nerf her to ground like wtf
New mooreover video might have prio over sidemen among us ngl
Among us in 2024 is crazy
@@Ben_brown185 you misunderstood. It's edited by Chipfat.
RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BANG STUPID
If Bangalore is so good, why isnt there a Bangalore 2?