Kenny, you are a master teacher ----- Your step by step explanations are articulate, intelligent and clear. The production value of your videos are unsurpassed. Without you Reaper is not useful.
Cool video, but here's a warning: if you render all the tracks via master, and you have a compressor and a limiter on the master, the sum of the stems will be dramatically different than what you're hearing within the DAW. That's because the comp+limiter are not reacting to the sum, but rather to the single files. A way to solve this is to use compressors and limiters that can receive a side chain signal, and feed a "ghost" render of the sum to them. Unfortunately, reaper is unable to account for these ghost tracks with any of the rendering options, so you have to render all tracks one by one or use a custom script.
Yeah, but there is a problem with your method, too... For example: if an (film) editor decides to start with your soft piano as an intro (bringing the other parts of the song slowly in, say section B), the pumping effect is recognisable at the very beginning because of your sidechain function... how do you work with this issue? sorry for my bad English, hope you get the point.
I use a Kontakt template with 16 midi tracks in the folder and was never able to break out the individual tracks to convert to WAV file for mixing until I figured it out yesterday after months of looking.Everything was routed to the master track.And here I wake up this morning and lo and behold you have a complete soup to nuts tutorial on rendering.Thanks for being so comprehensive.I suspect a lot of people are in the same boat as I was,being confused as to how to mix midi from templates who have big libraries of instruments to want to make use of.Most of the tutorials I have seen on Reaper deal with audio tracks not midi.Render selected tracks from master did the trick for me and now I can proceed to mix.Your tutorials are always very useful and thanks again.
the thing with rendering by "selected tracks via master" that I found, is that effects like compression and saturation will apply individually to each track as if it was soloed. Once I heard a great mastering engineer define "stems" as a selection of tracks that if were put together out of phase with the mix file, would completely cancel it. As in, the sum of stems is a carbon copy of the mix. Rendering "selected tracks via master", won't apply, for example, the ducking in compression that would create the kick drum on the rest of the tracks. The SFX in the master track will only apply individually, as if each instrument was soloed. And therefore, the sum of stems will be very close to the mix, but not exactly the same. At least that's what was happening to me last time I checked, though. Maybe this has been worked on by Cockos in more recent updates!
Yes. You're correct. But I don't think REAPER should change this behavior because when it's done the way you're talking about, the tracks will sound weird by themselves. So if you were to use a vocal stem in a completely different track, it would pump and breathe based on the old track. The correct way to do what you're talking about (if you have FX on the master track) is to sidechain everything to those FX. Yeah. It's a PITA. But this way everything is feeding those FX whether they're ON or OFF. I might make a video showing this. Stay tuned. Thanks.
@@kennygioia7184 very good point! Seems like a lot of hassle to sidechain everything, but I guess that's the best bet on how to do it on a technical level. Thanks a lot for your videos by the way! 💜
I was just about to post the same. I don't even think it is possible to have the master fx duck as it had all the tracks fed without including in the file the tracks themselves.... at least without routing workarounds in the project, as mentioned.
Not sure if this a work around i set up stereo buss and feed everything there before hitting the master buss so i use monitoring plug ins only on my master track like insight span metric ab so i think that would bypas this problem plus i can adjust the level of everything before it hits the master channel if i need to do some fine gain adjustment i think the stems then would print as per your actual mix
Wow!! Thanks for this Kenny! I feel like this video is for me. I have been looking for this in all your videos but i coudnt find one like this. Ive posted this topic on the Reaper Forum 2 days ago.
Hi Kenny. For stems, I also like to add the wildcard $filenumber[001] at the beginning of the filename as it can help with the import ordering in the other daw.
Thanks for this video Mr Kenny. I would like you to make a video about Reainsert and how to use it correctly in real time when using external equipment, thanks.
You know when you think, "I know all I need to know about rendering! So I don't need to watch this one?" just to find out i could have just been doing online render instead of recording back in to reaper as a new track, then rendering that track! Thanks!!
Thank you Kenny for your amazing videos, you are the Reaper spiritual guide. I wanted to ask if you could make a tutorial about ReaSurround/multichannel audio one day, because I couldn't find it in your channel.
Re: FX. Say I have a great H/W Reverb like a Bricasti M7 and want to add this reverb for a group I've stemmed out. What I've done in the past is print the return of the reverb as well so that the mixer can choose to use the return, increase or decrease the amount mixed in, or not use it all together.
Thanks Kenny. Just curious, where are those drum samples from? They sound exceptionally great. I'm especially curious about the midi triggered toms. First time I've ever heard tom samples that actually sound like my own drums (sounds very close to a Covington era Rogers 14x14 floor tom).
Was curious about this method with "selected tracks via master", does it work properly? I mean the compressor will react on each track individually and they won't sound as if they were processed together.
I have 24 individual files at different times. When selecting the source to stem and the wildcard to track, I'm getting all files rendered at the same length. How do I render all at once while keeping each files time. 24 Track (Stemmed ) Different lengths.
For some reason even though I have all 14 tracks selected, It's only giving me the option to render one file. So it all comes together like an MP3 and not individual tracks. I'm not sure what to do. I'm using pc.
I get critical disk write error disk full, but I have 121 gigs free. I get this also when consolidating the files. I have searched everywhere to figure this out and I dont know what to do.
Man, I know I'm gonna come off as a hater, but I seriously can't understand how people trust an OS that looks that dated. That hardware company clearly spends about no time on their software.
I was looking for this and finally, now as many times, you are the only one with the correct answer and the proper way to explain it. Thanks. :)
Kenny, you are a master teacher ----- Your step by step explanations are articulate, intelligent and clear. The production value of your videos are unsurpassed. Without you Reaper is not useful.
Cool video, but here's a warning: if you render all the tracks via master, and you have a compressor and a limiter on the master, the sum of the stems will be dramatically different than what you're hearing within the DAW. That's because the comp+limiter are not reacting to the sum, but rather to the single files.
A way to solve this is to use compressors and limiters that can receive a side chain signal, and feed a "ghost" render of the sum to them. Unfortunately, reaper is unable to account for these ghost tracks with any of the rendering options, so you have to render all tracks one by one or use a custom script.
Thanks very much for this useful comment.
or just turn it off for rendering
I came here to talk about this too - interested to hear about any scripts/tricks etc to speed this up?
Yeah, but there is a problem with your method, too... For example: if an (film) editor decides to start with your soft piano as an intro (bringing the other parts of the song slowly in, say section B), the pumping effect is recognisable at the very beginning because of your sidechain function... how do you work with this issue? sorry for my bad English, hope you get the point.
I use a Kontakt template with 16 midi tracks in the folder and was never able to break out the individual tracks to convert to WAV file for mixing until I figured it out yesterday after months of looking.Everything was routed to the master track.And here I wake up this morning and lo and behold you have a complete soup to nuts tutorial on rendering.Thanks for being so comprehensive.I suspect a lot of people are in the same boat as I was,being confused as to how to mix midi from templates who have big libraries of instruments to want to make use of.Most of the tutorials I have seen on Reaper deal with audio tracks not midi.Render selected tracks from master did the trick for me and now I can proceed to mix.Your tutorials are always very useful and thanks again.
Way to go kenny! Right on time🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻Jkjk the man is a legend
Another great tutorial, available exactly when I needed it. So thankful for your videos Kenny!
the thing with rendering by "selected tracks via master" that I found, is that effects like compression and saturation will apply individually to each track as if it was soloed. Once I heard a great mastering engineer define "stems" as a selection of tracks that if were put together out of phase with the mix file, would completely cancel it. As in, the sum of stems is a carbon copy of the mix. Rendering "selected tracks via master", won't apply, for example, the ducking in compression that would create the kick drum on the rest of the tracks. The SFX in the master track will only apply individually, as if each instrument was soloed. And therefore, the sum of stems will be very close to the mix, but not exactly the same.
At least that's what was happening to me last time I checked, though. Maybe this has been worked on by Cockos in more recent updates!
Yes. You're correct. But I don't think REAPER should change this behavior because when it's done the way you're talking about, the tracks will sound weird by themselves. So if you were to use a vocal stem in a completely different track, it would pump and breathe based on the old track. The correct way to do what you're talking about (if you have FX on the master track) is to sidechain everything to those FX. Yeah. It's a PITA. But this way everything is feeding those FX whether they're ON or OFF. I might make a video showing this. Stay tuned. Thanks.
@@kennygioia7184 very good point! Seems like a lot of hassle to sidechain everything, but I guess that's the best bet on how to do it on a technical level. Thanks a lot for your videos by the way! 💜
I was just about to post the same. I don't even think it is possible to have the master fx duck as it had all the tracks fed without including in the file the tracks themselves.... at least without routing workarounds in the project, as mentioned.
Not sure if this a work around i set up stereo buss and feed everything there before hitting the master buss so i use monitoring plug ins only on my master track like insight span metric ab so i think that would bypas this problem plus i can adjust the level of everything before it hits the master channel if i need to do some fine gain adjustment i think the stems then would print as per your actual mix
This one came just in time. Very useful and straight to the point, thanks Kenny!
Awesome Info! Thanks, Kenobi-wan The Force is definitely with you.
Awesome, thank you Kenny !
I never really knew how to use Wildcards, now i do, incredible useful !
Oh. Dude. You're missing out. :)
Wow!! Thanks for this Kenny! I feel like this video is for me. I have been looking for this in all your videos but i coudnt find one like this. Ive posted this topic on the Reaper Forum 2 days ago.
I always render stame with names starting with $tracknumber, that way if imported into another project they are automatically in order.
Learned a lot from u sir.. Thank you so much sir... Loved all ur reaper videos
Another great extremely useful video cheers kenny
Hi Kenny. For stems, I also like to add the wildcard $filenumber[001] at the beginning of the filename as it can help with the import ordering in the other daw.
Nice idea!!!
Thanks for this video Mr Kenny.
I would like you to make a video about Reainsert and how to use it correctly in real time when using external equipment, thanks.
Sounds good. Thanks
Kenny sei il migliore. Bravissimo.
Gracias por todos tu videos! Genio!
Excellently explained, thank you!
You know when you think, "I know all I need to know about rendering! So I don't need to watch this one?" just to find out i could have just been doing online render instead of recording back in to reaper as a new track, then rendering that track! Thanks!!
Thanks Kenny. VERY useful. And great reference for when needed later.
Great work ! (And sounds :)
Thank you for sharing this video Gioia ! I found a lot of value in it. Peace
Thanks for this, Kenny.
You explanation is really perfect
Thank you Kenny for your amazing videos, you are the Reaper spiritual guide. I wanted to ask if you could make a tutorial about ReaSurround/multichannel audio one day, because I couldn't find it in your channel.
I'll look into it. Thanks.
Thank you, Kenny!!!
Great info.😎
thanks Kenny!!!!
It seems that, along with rendering stems without effects, it is also necessary to discuss unity gain and center panning.
Re: FX. Say I have a great H/W Reverb like a Bricasti M7 and want to add this reverb for a group I've stemmed out. What I've done in the past is print the return of the reverb as well so that the mixer can choose to use the return, increase or decrease the amount mixed in, or not use it all together.
Thanks Kenny. Just curious, where are those drum samples from? They sound exceptionally great. I'm especially curious about the midi triggered toms. First time I've ever heard tom samples that actually sound like my own drums (sounds very close to a Covington era Rogers 14x14 floor tom).
what do you press to select rack 1,2,3 on left-hand side all at once?
Was curious about this method with "selected tracks via master", does it work properly? I mean the compressor will react on each track individually and they won't sound as if they were processed together.
Very interesting
so you have a video on mix and mastering tracks on reaper?
Thank you so much!!!
Hi. Do i need a midi keyboard to create music in reaper?
Thanks!
I have 24 individual files at different times. When selecting the source to stem and the wildcard to track, I'm getting all files rendered at the same length. How do I render all at once while keeping each files time. 24 Track (Stemmed ) Different lengths.
For some reason even though I have all 14 tracks selected, It's only giving me the option to render one file. So it all comes together like an MP3 and not individual tracks. I'm not sure what to do. I'm using pc.
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I get critical disk write error disk full, but I have 121 gigs free. I get this also when consolidating the files. I have searched everywhere to figure this out and I dont know what to do.
nice kenny.
What exactly is the practical difference between this method and a consolidation of all the tracks? Is there any difference?
I don't think consolidation will print the effects that are on that track.
u from NYC?
I see you render at 44100. I see a lot of people say this level is not good enough and we should use 48000. What's your opinion please?
General advice is to render at the same sample rate that the project was mixed in
the rendered version sounds like crap. it was just a drum one shot. how do u get sample to sound the same as original sample ?
Man, I know I'm gonna come off as a hater, but I seriously can't understand how people trust an OS that looks that dated. That hardware company clearly spends about no time on their software.
There’s an endless amount of skins you can add, but If you don’t like something just for how it looks, that’s a weird thing to care about.