Greatswords! Not big smash sticks!
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"I want a spear, but I refuse to look like a peasant."
Although it can kinda (effectively) be used as a spear, the best way to use a two handed like this is way different
Made me laugh tho, cheers
Greeks: "excuse us but how is the spear a peasant weapon?"
Then a bec de corbin was always a good choice. It’s a short spear, it’s beak is great for puncturing armor and if all else failed you can beat someone to death. It required enough metal that it wasn’t cheap, but it was cheaper than a good sword.
This comment needs a love button lol
@@thenexus8384 Because it took a lot less metal than other weapons and doesn't take much skill to use
Infantry: "Sir Knight The Honourable Chad, why don't you use a spear like the rest of us?"
Sir Knight The Honourable Chad: "Swords are cool."
@@Channel17961 Swords are REALLY cool.
nah it'd be more like "i was trained in the art of a sword so i shall use it"
That's a spear with a sharp shaft
@@jamie_d0g978 that is true
@@jamie_d0g978i mean that a oddly correct way to see it
Let’s go, finally someone putting some respect on the Zweihander. Got such a cool fighting style, basically the dedicated sword for fighting multiple opponents
Montante. But I agree with the sentiment about putting respect on classic medievil swords
Bro tf he litteraly says it a montante
@@chrisblom121 the montante was pretty much the same as a zweihander the main difference is montante was Spanish and zweihander was German. The name is even the same in English they both mean "two handed" or "tow hander"
@@greathorned0wl759 Didn't know there was a sword so big that it required a tow.
@@The_True_Mx_Pink i meant two hander
Medieval riot control: "Get back! *I said get back!* " *Starts sword dancing*
The +2 to physical attack really makes a difference...
Jokes aside, seeing that coming at you on the battlefield must've been horrific.. especially in the hands of someone like a Knight because then you know they ABSOLUTELY know how to use it best.
@@kieranadamson3224that AND you knew limbs were about to fall off
Can confirm. As an amateur smith, I'll tell you that making a good blade over 30 inches long is not easy. I'm still very proud of my first kriegsmesser, even though it's kind of poorly balanced, and the edge geometry isn't great. I'm just happy that it held together.
How big is a kriegsmesser?
@@codykrueger796 Mine has a 32" blade and a 10" grip, slightly shorter than most replicas, but I made it when I was a total noob. I've tried to reprofile the edge with a grinder, but it's really thicker than it needs to be, which hurts cutting, and the handling suffers because it doesn't have enough distal taper. Still, it's stood up to years of hard, abusive cutting.
@@lukediehl1210 nice, do you use it for fighting or work around the house? I used to do some black smiting so I know that still 32 in with 10 in handle is still pretty long and impressive
@@codykrueger796 Honestly, I use it more as a giant machete than anything, lol. It's rough, and the forging was pretty minimal. I jokingly call it my orc sword
@@lukediehl1210 This is amazing intel. Thank you for sharing.
"Cruel and brutal 👹”
“Or is it? 😊”
Brutal in terms of inflicting damage to your enemy but not yourself.
When you are swordsman but don't really want to get too close.
The whole point of using a 2 handed sword is to avoid getting too close to the other guy
@@jaketheasianguy3307 and also more arms = more strength = more damage
@@TK-yh5zz arma ? ✌️
Made for shy swordsmen
To be fair, that is the point (ha) of a sword 🤷🏻♂️
"I don't date guys shorter than a great sword."
That's funny, I overheard a girl on the bus talking about a guy, ''he said he was 6 feet, but he was obviously not, he wanted to hug me and I was like eww no'' Short guys don't have it easy ROFL
@@K4inan poor loosers lmao
Manlets cope.
5'3" over here. Tremble before my towering form.
I’d date him anytime
@@wastrelperv179cm (5'9'', Americans).
You dropped this, Short King 👑
That sound when you put it down 🔥
*It was too big to be called a sword...*
I cringe each time i hear its tip hit the ground :(
Yus. It is awesome:D
@@MidnightMagpie73 noooo its absolite cringeeeee xDDD
People who are used to training with blunt steel are most likely to do so, as it’s not something that you think about unless you make yourself conscious of it. We don’t do it at our club partly because the hired hall floor is varnished wood, partly because of the head instructor’s own practices (caring for the integrity of all weapon tips, steel or otherwise, blunt and padded or not).
But steel does make nice sounds, and a couple of the montante blades we have sing with proper edge alignment.
"Perish foul creatures! I am Siegmeyer of Catarina, and you shall feel my wrath!"
Garbage game and series
@@wallacesousuke1433 nuh uh
@@wallacesousuke1433 bros not skilled enough to play this game
@@Catchityes except I beat DS1 and DS3 at level 1? LOL
@@wallacesousuke1433 then why complain?
Chaos zweihander +15 irl
the goddamn BASS cannon
The legend never dies! Wut rings u got?
@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight what are you? casul?
Just don't. I was forever salty that these slender weapons are made to feel like they weigh a fuckton in DS games.
Then you get an actual slab on a stick and it is just as fast...
I had a +10 zwaihander for Ornstein and Smough. Took 60 tries but the zwai still _shreds_ them. 5 hits to kill Ornstein, staggers every hit. And Smough staggers every other hit.
Anything becomes a blunt force weapon if you hit hard enough
Me: _eyes up feather pillow_
so theoretically if I made a giant sledge hammer with foam on it it would be blunt force?
@@m9ss9ngtextures16Yes, Hit it hard and fast enough and it can cave peoples skulls in
@@m9ss9ngtextures16yes
@@m9ss9ngtextures16literally yes, in fact this is why nobody sane really spars with blunt weapons. You can't put enough foam on them or wear enough armor for them to be safe without radically compromising the usage; "big weight hits your head at high speed" is going to kill you whether the force is dispersed or not. The edge of a sword connects with a lot less energy than a hammer of comparable size and weight, even if it's concentrating it along a cutting surface rather than a blunt one.
Fwiw, with enough armor everything becomes a blunt weapon (because the force still has to go somewhere) and with enough velocity everything becomes a cutting weapon (because nothing can hold shape against that much energy). For example, a sword against chain or plate is generally going to bruise rather than cut, and a bowling ball (or even a piece of straw) in a tornado will shear straight through a tree without deforming the surrounding area much.
“It was too big to be called a sword. Too big, too thick, too heavy, and too rough, it was more like a large hunk of iron.”
GRIFFITH!!!
That takes.....GUTS
Then a MadMan swing that damn thing around like it was an ordinary sword
Dis di-
Yeah the guts references
PUT YOUR GRASSES ON, NOTHIN WILL BE WONG
It's the way you talk smoothly while demonstrating without losing breath that I appreciate
A Montante is honestly one of my favorite kinds of greatsword, seemingly basic design but surprisingly lightweight and with the right skills and training, it's truly an amazing weapon
Another point to make is that, despite its size, it’s really not that heavy. If I recall, the average greatsword is usually around 7-10 lbs, because any heavier and you simply wouldn’t be able to use it for combat. Heavier greatswords of around 10-14 lbs were pretty much universally meant to be display items rather than actual weapons.
"Greatswords are crude and brutal" or "European blades were blunt and heavy" is simple way of saying "the only thing I know about swordfighting is anime"
Well the problem is that anime often makes things have no weight so I am not sure about that. Personally I believe some games are at fault for spreading that idea, together with some hipsters wanting to make swords sound lame.
@@goldenmairon2371 oh, for sure spread of that is in video games et cetera and I don't mind that, I kinda love that in some games Greatswords move like you are swinging a goddamn train, what I mean is that many people use works of fiction to try to pretend to be experts in practical field. Do I hate that my character swings a Collossal Blade in Elden Ring? No. Does it make me cringe when someone says that european knights were armored hillbillies who used blunted imitation of a sword? Yes, and I heard that many times from people who have no idea of sword fighting, forging and blade care(not saying I know a lot, but I research a bit for my literary work)
@@jakubdrabent8158 Yeah yeah, I get all that. I just commented because often I feel the opposite when I watch anime, with things being literally weightless and people flying around in full armor carrying ship sized swords.
I for one know that this isn't true, lots of dudes in sekiro wield uncannily big odachi.
Also aren’t katanas actually heavier than like a longsword of equivalent length?
I fell in love the first time I picked up a zweihander. I was so small but it felt like a part of the sword touched my soul and told me “I’m for you only”. It became my best weapon when I was training in a multitude of sword styles
Just imagine a guy in full armor swinging that thing around on the battle field. Just the intimidation factor alone
Funny thing is montante is more considered to be civilian weapon. You could hire a bodyguard woth montante, for example, and he wouldn't let anyone come close to you in the streets (yes, you could efficiently use it in narrow streets despite the weapon's size).
@@MrZoorab i don't remember where I read this so take it with a grain of salt.
Apparently in the 1600s a german bodyguard was ambushed by 10 or so bandits with rapiers but none of them were able to land a hit on him. Someone with a 6 feet long sword going in circles like a meatgrinder for your lunge to get stuck in is probably terrifying. No one died or got injured in that fight, they just couldn't get into range.
Eventually the town guard showed up and they ran (or the bandits got killed, don't remember)
@@atom8248 This is generally the standard context for montante. Antiganking rapier users either with extended area denial until someone can support you, or using the Figueiredo mix-up thrusts to potentially catch them off guard.
@@atom8248That's pretty usual in a lot of Spanish swordsmen for hire diaries and chronicles. It was basically the main use, keep at bay people with roperas, vizcaínas and all that stuff.
Armours for pussies. Us Scots would drop our kilts and run into battle naked apart from a targe , a Dirk and either a great sword or claymore.
I live how he is wielding a sword taller than himself
My mans looks like he's 5'2" so a lot of things are taller than himself.
Montante is so much fun to train with. I love reading the Godinho manuscript. You should go over how people expect you need lots open space to use a greatsword. but you see far more manuscripts explaining how to use them in city streets, back alleyways and onboard galley ships.
Streets and alleys are not a big issue and ships can have some wide spaces, especially galleys, but consider one with tighter corridor points bellow deck or inside a building, or temple corridor where you can not swing this thing like this not only from horizontal constrains but vertical ones too if ceiling kinda low.
@@galadballcrusher8182 The Montante sword can still thrust. You can also take the blade under the false guard with your left hand.
Moreover, the first two-handed swords appeared just among the peoples who often use ships.
If i was a soldier in those eras i would've either asked for a halberd or a spadone (the Italian pocket zweihander). These are such great yet underrated weapons
It frustrates me every time a weapon like this, in games, is portrayed as extremely slow and heavy. Not even my beloved Elden Ring does it right.
Game devs should take a couple lessons in HEMA.
Edit: to anyone saying "it's game balance", balance is just numbers, you can totally have a fast weapon and reduce the attack power. In the end, it's not game balance, it is media misunderstanding a sword. Game of Thrones does it too, and that's not even a video game.
I think in video games it's more a balance reason.
Yeah, it's mainly a balance reason, that being said, they did just buff colossal attack speed so it is relatively speedy. Also spamming the thrusting attack to abuse your reach is surprisingly realistic, even if it's dummy broken.
@@lordderppington4694 The problem in Elden Ring isn't the speed, it's that it's swung like a street lamp; violently crashing into the ground and lumbering like it weighs eighty pounds. The same speed could be used with better form and the complaints would be sated.
Diablo 3 got it right. 2-Handers have 1.1 to 1.2 attack speed typically. Slower than one handed, but it's much faster than you'd think.
Kingdom come deliverance would of made it look immersive and genuine
If I've learned anything from vermintide, never underestimate the speed of a well utilized greatsword.
Am I the only one that loves it when he places the sword on the floor with the "donk" ?
Sword ASMR is the best
I have the exact opposite reaction. I know that no one is running around without the tip being blunt nowdays but it's still very unnerving lol
That sound every time he puts it down... satisfying AF.
Those swings got "if you get hit, its your own fault" energy
"i want a spear but with a REALLY long blade and a short handle.. "I gotchu"
"Aye, me bottle of scrumpy!"
speaking of which, cider o' clock 😏
The greatsword is king of all swords. What a beautiful work of art!
I’ve been curious about greatswords since I saw one in a medieval arms exhibit. Thanks for the video!
People also often forget that the further the tip of the sword is from your hand(s), the faster it will move. You're hand(s) only moves a small distance, and the tip of the sword obviously moves a much larger distance in the same amount of time. Two hands might move somewhat slower than one and with the added weight, albeit small, but with that little extra force required, and output, the speed of the tip becomes just as, if not more, dangerous.
Not to mention, generally you have to use a lot more brain power to use a montante than a longsword or similar. You have to plan ahead of every cut. Longsword, you're able to panic adjust and make unplanned parries and "blocks" in a way that is far easier than with a full two handed blade.
In sparring with longsword, dussac, etc... I often end up parrying purely on instinct, something goes wrong, and drilled instinct puts my blade in a protective position before my conscious brain processed the threat. With montante, my arms and back just can't move the blade reliably fast enough as a panic response, the way it can with those smaller weapons.
Having just watched the medieval movie Ironclad, it was the closest depiction to how realistic a greatsword could be used on the battlefield. The most impressive part was the surprising agility and flexibility of a greatsword which coupled with its length, could be used to fight against several enemies simultaneously.
When he started doing those circling attacks in the air at the same speed as a normal sword would probably be, I got really surprised.
You can tell how it works when you see how its supposed to be moved. Very cool to see what the arc and movement required looks like. an arm workout for sure!
Also a popular weapon for bodyguards. One guy could hold up an entire corridor or alleyway swinging it around while the principal makes the escape.
I’m gonna be honest, I’m learning so much about swords from your channel and it’s all gonna be used to write better sword scenes in my stories.
To us 6'5" and up i guess its a...sword?
All size jokes aside. Huge fan! Been watching your vids for a while now!
Funnily enough, you're not far off. According to a few medieval theories in regards to making a custom longsword. Any person 6'2" and over would technically wield a greatsword.
something that I'll always remember is a description of how some pirate crews would send over great sword users first who would clear an area for the rest of their crew to come in on. The job was considered dangerous so it got 1 and a 1/4 shares of the loot instead of 1 share.
Of course the goal was always to avoid a fight as much as possible, but pirates sure did have some clever tactics.
I still love how Montante techniques take a large sword and spinning, two commonly bad ideas in combat, and bring them together to make them viable.
That switch up was so genuine.
I dunno what it is but something about the greatsword clinking against the floor is super satisfying.
The longer sword is more modern than its shorter counterparts,
*Seems accurate*
Try reverse grip
impossible to get an effective attack in if it is not overhead or sideways but to do that without one hand it would require lots of strengh
You would prob break your wrist
That'll break your hand.
Then, Sellsword Arts will break your skull.
Weak bait, or incredibly dumb.
I saw that sword in Dark Souls 1, it was very good, decent speed, good range and incredible damage
The only thing brutal about greatswords are the Dragonslayer from Berserk. “That thing was too big to be called a sword. Too big, too thick, too heavy, and too rough, it was more like a large hunk of iron.”
One of my favourite quotes about greatswords goes, 'You see a guy with a greatsword and you think "There is no way in hell that guy can possibly fight with that thing, but if he can, there is no way in hell I'm going to be the one that fights him."'
That *CLANG* whenever you set it down is perfect
Berserk 2016 approves
A little bit too much, actually...
and dont forget making a sword that big has a huge chance of warping on heat treat , and they used water quenching back then which increases the warp chance . blacksmiths back in the day were really on some next level shit with the little they had . anything but crude , ive come to love all weapons for their differences in function
“It ain’t great for nothing”
- 👑👴🏻
greatsword guardsmen spinning their sword like a darksouls fight above their heads while the lowly pickpocket looks in fear after it tried to rob the vip
Always find it amazing how much he knows he definitely does his research goo at his job
I remember being taught that greatswords were useful for bodyguards because they could just tell whomever they're guarding to get down while they start sweeping circles.
Imagine pressing R1 when crouch poke exists.
The montante was documented to be used in malta in the 1565 siege. Some heavily armoured knights were able to chop up ottoman forces in tight breaches with these swords.
imagine being a 4x blessed by the dark gods Chaos Warrior that gets chopped up by an Empire Greatsword who is actually close to retiring age
i love Greatswords
Also not to mention the people that used them were larger than even most people today. The Landsknecht had a requirement to use that weapon. You had to he 6 foot and above these people also received double pay and wore plate armor.
That's the kind of sword a real one man army will use. Or a Nordic Berserker, if they could've just survived until the time the first one was made.
Nope. Too big and yes actually, too slow. Smaller and faster one handed weapons were the primary weapons of berserkir and ulfthendar. They were more shock troops, though many stories exist about them fending off countless foes. The light weapons and borderline insane tactics is what enabled them to be so effective. That and the cocktail of poisons and herbs.
@@annoyedmarine1578 Greetings Brother.
Greetings.
One thing that i never got when people said that greatswords were crude and brutal and slow, they would always point to massive person sized paddle, and media that portrays greatswords as heavy and unwieldy.
Greatswords are just. Great swords. Very good swords. The swordest of sword. Its in the name.
Why do all these sword youtubers spend so much time bashing Star Wars and claiming spinning doesn't work, then ten minutes later show you with grace how spinning a blade is effective?
Gotta get that interaction somehow I guess. Saying dumb things about a popular franchise is an easy way to get "engagement"
It's effective here due to the blade length and weight. As lightsaber doesn't need spinning to counter the weight and inertia, that is why spinning is ineffective.
When they say that, it usually refers to the person spinning themselves, which turning your back to the enemy is a good way to get killed. And otherwise, context is key. For the weapon itself, a lightsaber doesn't need to be spun because the blade doesn't have any weight and thus has no momentum. Really, a lightsaber would probably used a lot more like a rapier, smallsword or backsword because of its nonexistent blade weight.
Spinning yourself leaving your back exposed.
The real problem is when the *person* is spinning. Spinning the sword itself *but not the wielder* works sometimes, depending on what kind of sword, but generally speaking, a "spin attack" as seen in most video games would be a bad, bad idea.
Alec Steele has done some really good series about making long swords. Even with modern equipment it can be tricky to make sure a blade stays straight while it cools after forging.
Watching someone doing those crowd-clearing sweeping strike motions properly with a greatsword looks both elegant and devastating.
That specific one, from what I remember, is used more for ceremonies rather than war. Surprisingly.
Respect to this guy for making he's voice rad to a simple man😂
swiss mercenaries known as the Landsknecht used great swords, they were some of the most sought after mercenaries bands in europe due to their skill in arms.
When you want a sword, but need to social distance
From some of the little stuff I gathered, this is nearly a polearm that's actually the anti-polearm. As frontline mercs would often use these to cut through pikes, thus closing in distance.
Pretty interesting that not only is this really fast that you can swing this almost as fast as a long sword, it would be suicide to fight one head on considering its reach. Unless you're wearing a solid armor, broad shield and a mace, the one way you can take down someone using this is use a bow.
Nah a guy killed a great sword user with a knife (in a duel to the death)
Skill and experience are the most important things about medieval warfare
Also no you don't use maces while on foot, mace was a calvary weapon
Dark Ages, Crude and Brutal... that's METAL
In the video game, it recognized as a heavy main melee weapon and you cannot swinging it faster because it is heavy.
But in reality, it's not that heavy.
For a moment there i thought he was going to say:
" Greatswords are actually GREAT "
Don't forget the heat treatment!
Many forges could just make small objects such as nails, horseshoes, arrowheads, etc. The next step up were knives, axeheads, spearheads, etc. Then, for the longest time, longswords, plate armour, rapiers and muskets, etc. were the king class.... Then came small cannons and in industrial age giant cannons...
Usually the great sword is used to cut pike in pike formations to disrupt enemy formations and make it easier for your friends who use pike to attack enemy formations
I love greatswords and have grown VERY bitter to how they're portrayed in most fantasy media. Yes they require strength but they're not "unga bunga" weapons for meatheads, they require just as much finesse and skill as a rapier, just more physically taxing and with techniques focused on momentum and dancing with the blade.
In germany they also sometimes been called "gassenhauer" that would translate to "alley thug" cause they cleared alleys with them and also destroyed the legs of horses in smaller alleys to make a way.
Halfway through I was thinking that it was used for large opponents as well then I remembered that there was no 10 foot tall Goliaths walking around in the 1500s
Did anyone see Lindybeige's video wherein he tested a Montante against a group?
The rule was that the attackers had to retreat any time they felt threatened by the lone Swordsman.
Assuming his test was realistic, and that brigands wouldn't be in a hurry to die, it seems these were actually very useful in the context of 1 guy vs a group 🤔
I love the thought of a man pulling out a huge greatsword during a duel
The opponent, using something like a longsword or rapier, would expect an easy victory
But to their surprise, the greatsword weilder is super skilled and dexterous, and the entire time, the opponent has to dodge and weave between the huge swings and arcs, and would just be massively off balance
Subversion of expectations at its finest
Holy moly! A durable spear!
One thing i found out when i was younger is even bigger relatively slow swords move faster than my body does and i need to block 1-3 strikes before i close too much for the blade to be useful, and then i might end up against someone half swording or a devastating draw draw cut where they can really put their back into it.
The art of the Great sword is one not common to as much love as it deserves
everytime i watch his videos, i cant help but think of the game for honor..
those swings are 100% something highlander would do..
The other neat function is that you can hold the blade and hit helmets with the pommel at a greater range for armoured targets
Beautiful way to explain the great sword ⚔️🗡️
I fell in love and appreciated greatswords when i played dark souls and Skyrim
If a noble was to be executed sometimes they would request a greatsword be used unlike a crude weapon like an axe. even in execution the nobles thought them self something special.
Dnd has shown me firsthand the badassery of the greatsword
italy in the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries was fucking amazing
A slight argument with the greatsword vs polearms... it was more used in formations of combined arms between pikes (or pike equivalents) and greatswords in a single formation. The pikes were used to help control the others formations and allow the great swords to get through to the enemy formation. The reason they used great swords was also to help the swordsman guide the enemy pikes that his formation can't get, out of his way so he can have a clearer path to said enemy formation. This is heavily shown in historical documentations and artistic depictions of pike formations as it would be foolish to just throw pikemen at pikemen which would equal high casualties and same of you threw great swords at pikes without support from friendly pikes
Also it’s hot from the dark ages. They were on battlefields the same centuries guns were. They are as close to us as they were to the Norman conquest of England.
mfw the sword spinning thing that Siegfried does with his sword is Historically accurate
honestly the heavier the sword is the more comfortable it is for me and as a bonus while i shouldn’t need to swing hard (especially with a heavy sword) it’s nice to know someone with a longsword or possibly a katana would probably not be able to block a heavy swing from me if i have the right sword
I‘m no military history buff, but even I know that big long swords are more of a tailend medieval/very early modern invention from the period where combat began the transition from revolving around hourse mounted troops as the deciding factor to larger infantry regiments with pole arms. Part of why landless aristocracy i.e. many knights fell from grace and started becoming criminals as they couldn‘t make their living as a cornerstone of battle anymore
Fun fact: katanas are fashion or for walking with (now) , and the longsword is for battle
*I love your channel and what you just said. Because it's exactly what I wanted to hear.*
funniest part: if you fight with a great sword against a long sword, the guy with a long sword actually has a really hard time parrying bc the momentum of the great sword is just so huge
The most important part of wielding a Zwiehander is you don't level dex.
Finally the gods have listened to my prayers.
The Zweihänder finally ❤
Blacksmith here! That sword would be the bane of my existence to create.
"As for being crude"
**CUCHUNG** as he sets it down