Thanks rtings. Appreciate your testing and data. Edit: what happened to the blooper reel at the end? Is Abby just no longer making any mistakes and getting it all in 1 take every time, or are we being punished for doing something wrong? We need those bloopers!
There will still be bloopers to come! Sometimes we have some other things we want to point people towards is all 😄 Happy to hear you enjoy the blooper reels though!
LG states "the green tint on Rtings C4 is within manufacturing tolerances", thus making it sound like a minor panel lottery issue. However the Sony Bravia 8 that Rtings reviewed had the identical green tint problem, which can be seen in the off angle viewing video and Chroma and Hue graphs. That both TVs from different brands have the identical problem and virtually identical measurements suggests more than a manufacturing tolerance issue. The panel for both TVs is made by LG Display (a separate entity from LG Electronics) and it appears that they have screwed up their non-MLA panels this year? Thoughts?
LG wnats you to buy the G4. LGE and LGD, might be different companies, but they are still part of the same parent company LG Corp. in Seoul, South Korea.
I just got a brand new 55 inch C3 in europe as my first OLED and it was half the price the C4 is going for and i'm insanely happy. Seeing everything about C4, it's just not worth it, unless you have infinite money (in which case you go for the G series anyway lol). Thanks for all your work Rtings!
I have a CX. I haven’t wanted or been interested in actually buying a new TV since. I still like to keep track of what is going on in this space. I haven’t seen anything particularly interesting. The extra brightness and color levels is nice, but I don’t feel like I am missing much.
If you're planning to buy some great TV to become monitor with PC mode, I recommended LG 42 C4, it's not only C4 but also 42 inch version of it, because its all 4K TVs, so 42 (smaller one) has more Pixel per inch (PPI) than any other unit, Don't forget to using ISF mode to getting the most accurate color possible, and when you're using it as monitor and looking at the screen from monitor distance, so hard to tell which one has MLA, but you definitely can tell which screen is sharper because of LG 42 C4 has 103,39 PPI, while 55 G4 (smallest size of G4 series) only has 80,58 PPI.
I just picked up the 65” G4 a couple days ago for my living room. It’s incredible. I’m an avid gamer and have a PC built for my living room as well and playing Ghost of Tsushima on this thing IN 4K with HDR on is absolutely stunning. Also have watched a couple of my 4k Blu Rays and I realize I never truly experienced HDR until I got this TV as I was coming from a 5+ year old basic Samsung LCD TV (non QLED). Mind blowing. Zero regrets.
@@joaogoulart29 QD OLED is what tends to get burn in. LG’s WOLEDs are far less susceptible. I have multiple friends with LG OLED TVs. They’ve been using them for years without a single issue. This G4 also comes with a 5 year warranty that includes burn in protection which proves their confidence in the quality of their product.
Colour volume on the G4 is better too the MLA layer increase the G4's ability to make colours brighter also it seems a lot of reviewers are talking about how the G4 seems to have more depth almost like a 3D effect in the picture.
Bought a 77in G3 on clearance for $2280 with the stand, such s great deal. The C4 looks great, but the G3 and G4 look amazing. IMO get a G3 if you can find one and save.
I heard cinematic/movies the processing on G4 is much better now (than other models): Fluid motions when pan shots/drone shots: less judder/stutter without getting soap opera, even without the cinematic motion option ON. With cinematic motion on, soap opera is minimized while pan shots are even more fluid. The G3 needed cinematic motion for more fluid pan shots while the G4 did not need it. Source : stop fomo and brians tech therapy compare test. But whatabout c4???
I bought a G4 recently and thought it was worth it for that bit of extra brightness. I could have saved a little and bought the C4 but at the end of the day this is a TV I want to live with for years.
@@Codestud you picked amazing tv,i do the same,i always pick the best and highest model,we buy tv for 5-8 years and want enjoy fully watching everything✌️🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@Adrianek81 We buy all the best and highest end models and upgrade yearly (usually). Sometimes I'll replace in two years if the next year's models is a small, incremental upgrade.
Its a shame Samsung dont use their best processors on the QD oled models, otherwise the choice would had been pretty clear cut, especially when it comes to gaming. So, now we are stuck with "Should i go with LG cause of the better processing + DV & DTS, or should i go with Samsung because of color brightness and better game mode 🤔" torment ...
@@mattspeer01 i hear that a lot people were returning the s95b a lot on forums Samsung might be cheap after a few months.. they always do weird things with pricing on their products But I like quality and good software
Love the reviews(as always!). And from what I learned watching this channels for quite some times, those Brighter OLEDs TV gonna pop up some Burn-In faster, specially w/ red colors. So my choice would be C4 for way cheaper prices (and ready to return + get another if I won the lottery of Bad Batches and get super Green Tint issue)
Hi Abby. Money no object the G4 is the way to go but not everyone has deep pockets for a G4. The C series has always seemed to be the TV most people get.😊
Good video here. Keep in mind that there is more to the "Brightness Booster Max" technology on the G4 than just the MLA layer. Several pieces of software accompany that technology overall and it clearly makes the G4 brighter than the C4. The interesting thing here is what the 97" G4 will look like without MLA? On the surface, it should fall somewhere between a C4 and smaller G4 w/MLA. But it still may have some of the brightness boosting software, still has the enhanced A11 processor, still has a heatsink, and still uses a G4 panel. What will it be lacking compared to the smaller sizes in PQ? For light controlled rooms, if it's just missing a few extra nits it shouldn't be a factor.
Similar to last year with the 83” G3 since it didn’t use MLA. It still had higher brightness in highlights than the C4. I wish I was ready to buy a tv I would’ve gotten it.
Great review. Happy to say that our 2015 LG OLED is still doing great (knock wood), but good to keep up in case she decides to call it quits on us. I guess paying $2,500+ on a 65" TV today is in line for what we paid in 2015 - for quality and reliability.
I was going to get a C series based on the initial C3 vs G3 reviews being like "it's only a little brighter", then I saw them both in real life and the C3 was fine but the G3 blew me away. Point is, I really don't think these reviews of hardened TV reviewers capture the subjective experience of seeing these TVs in real life. Maybe you also think MLA isn't worth it, but I strongly advise you see panels in real life to get that feeling of whether or not it is worth it to you.
absolutely agree with this. Talk specs and tech all you like. Go and see the tv's in person in a shop. the G4 stands out much more than any other TV I've seen to be honest.
You're only going to notice that shift in Brightness in the G4 with gaming and certain HDR content......it's ashame LG nerfs the C4 in game mode/HDR for Brightness. I don't even think it's worth it to buy the C4 currently as the C3 picture is almost identical minus the green tint of the C4.......buy the G3 or C3 and save yourself some $$$$$$.
And to, The G4 might be over bright and washing out the image which if your turning down brightness you might as well get a C series. But no one talks about that
@@TheBucsAnthem I’m not going to pay 500+ for that difference either. G4 betta goto the moon or something which it doesn’t. I’m sure it’s better then c4 but it’s not that crazy of a difference
C4 has almost ruler flat frequency response compared to G4. Especiallt in low volume levels where most consumers will use the TVs. Both tvs have similar low cut off frequency. Why did you give G4 higher score? 🤣 @rtings
the bass hump, the thing is, that bass hump in room will sound better. It's even just a raised shelf, nice and even but increased volume. The TV doesn't have low bass so an extra bit of kick at 100-300hz, midbass, is the next best thing. A bit more emphasis on the lowest notes it CAN hit. It'll subjectively sound better, no question, as someone who is very into audio and measurements to a flat response that doesn't go any lower. Small speakers in a big room.
@@paulcox2447 I’m a TV soun designer myself and I have countless hours on this subject. What you say is true for music but it can make the dialogue muddy, so I can partially agree with you. The point is that I want the return from rtings. Because they’re running the Tv’s room calibration beforehand, wnich is expected to correct FR. So If we’re going to evalute subjectively, then why rtings is providing in depth audio test measurmenets? Are their result objective + subjective? Then why I cant see the objective and subjective scores seperately?
I have an LG A2. 99% of the usage is for watching streamed content (mostly sports) which is sent at 720P, 30 and sometimes 60 FPS. Would there be a noticeable difference stepping up to a C4?
@@CalebPerez The only reason LG uses MLA is because the woled panel itself if very inefficient since it's scatters light a lot (which is why MLA is there to 'focus' it) whereas QD-OLED is efficient where it doesn't scatter much. It'd probably just end up being a big price jump to implement for little benefit
You mentioned quickly about a LG M4, is it the same quality in picture etc as G4 the one difference being it’s wireless? Anyway I can’t really find that tv for sale, maybe it’s for special needs for a small group of people
it's not close, get the g3. The g3 has mla. The C series barely changes year to year. Same panel just tweaking the software. The g4 is just a g3 with a new processor. It is very good this year, but it's not like last year was bad. Great last year even better this year. C4 processing isn't better than the g3. Take advantage of "last years model". An idea that is only viewed negatively because of corporations making us think we need a new one every year or that the tech even meaningfully changes. Last year, but 2nd best LG model for 1k cheaper than the g4.
@@paulcox2447that’s a lie, because even RTINGS even said the G3 is worse in colour banding, when compared to the C4, also the C4 has better 4k upscaling and has better audio, all while having the same hardware, so how is that possible then ?? It’s because they improved the processor and that’s why you getting better sounds from the C4 over lasts both C3/G3, image processing on the C4 is noticeably better when compared to both last years models G/C maybe research before speaking then you won’t be embarrassed or told off for lying
@@paulcox2447 The G3 was and is great but it should be said the MLA layer has changed between G3 and G4, the game mode brightness issue from the G3 has been sorted, tinting and banding has improved on the G4, the G4 is guaranteed 5yrs of WebOS updates (in addition to the new processor). By all accounts this year's model is a good step forward.
Thank you. Another great comparison! Really appreciate your comprehensive reviews and I love when you can add humor to the discussion! Consider a showdown video... if I had a $1000 in a bright room- what would you buy?
Thank you, we're glad you like them! We don't have a full showdown, but this is the closest we have to it: ua-cam.com/video/5c3FgUi6noU/v-deo.html We'll consider a more official shootout video though!
I have the C4 and I don´t see a green tint. I think you get a bad panal and I think this is a production flaw of the panal and is not present in all models.
higher brightness for HDR is soooo worth it! but it's so expensive and not available in 42"... I'm hoping the c5 has MLA and fixes the flickering issues the c4 has! even in an average room with the blinds closed (not blackout) the brightness matters for small highlights!
I use a 65 inch G3 as a gaming PC monitor in my bedroom and I seriously don't think anything is going to get that big of an edge over it for a long time picture wise. By the time I replace it we'll probably have 240hrz ultrawide curved TV's lol. Playing Doom 3 on this thing with my original xbox's native HDMI port makes the game look alot newer than it is. This is true for many older games on this G3, you can get alot more out of the color and see much better in darker games like Thief 1/2, System Shock 2 and Deus Ex.
While I'd rather have the 83 G4 over an 83 C4. The crazy price difference just for a little more brightness. i wish there was an 83 inch QD Oled that was reasonably priced.
We have a OLED C1. The price was insane. for the computer and consoles. has HDR. they said HDR 10. idk ps5 doesn't say anything about HDR 10. I don't think it ever says. They said it is. doubly vision is there. Gsync freesync and those features help with no tear. don't know if it ever mattered. Pretty much the internet said to put the color temperature to 50 warm. For some reason we noticed that at first it to hot then it auto adjusts. RRating settings we used. We liked to put the brightness a bit higher. idk maybe the room. Why did they decide taking out 3d with the glasses out? there was plenty of movies. Like Aviator. First top end 4k TV i got. From the covid pidemic, idk people took me to do odd things. got me this old TV. This is be a keeper for a long time. No choice really. Still waiting on a good receiver. why are they all half 4k and half 8k? or is that just how it's labeled. there is a brand that makes smaller sized receivers. Would of been nice if they more HDMI's in. maybe the speaker connections in.
I got my G4 a few weeks ago and have been experimenting with various settings. How much more energy does the G4 use in "normal" or "auto" mode verses if energy savings is off. I definitely notice a difference in pixel brightness between the settings.
Same panel, so no difference in color volume. Samsung qoled vs kg has color volume difference because kg use while less that reduce the color volume in bright scenes
Color gamut is the same. Color gamut refers to the amount of colors they’re capable of covering. The g4 has better color volume because it’s able to achieve brighter colors.
@@denissssss8579 I don't know dude. It's one of the most important aspects of a display. They should show their actual measurements, but they're still weak compared to qd-oled, so maybe that's why?
I prefer the stand on the C4, how low does the G4 stand go down? looks a little too high, of course if you get a soundbar won't be as much of an issue.
Too bad that you have not mentioned one of the most important aspect of the G4: it supposed to have a much larger color volume due to the MLA panel. Which means that it should be able to cover a much larger area of the rec. 2020 color space.
I wonder if Rtings has any opinion on the tv shootout king of tvs that just happened where the G4 came in far behind the A95L and s95D. I'd be curious because they have the g4 and a95L tied for the best they've tested
The shootout only talked panels performance with some scenes. Not overall experience of the tv. Dolby vision was not tested Not mentioned input lags Not tested game modes Not tested system software Not compared number of inputs Not compared pass trough options. Not mentioned lg 5 yr warranty. Not compared sound quality(but advanced users will buy extra sound hardware). In general the g4 was sharper due to different pixel texture of woled vs qd. Samsung in other reviews was mentioned to have poorer motion processing. Lg out of the box in DV barely needs tweaking according to other reviews. So g4 is still not a bad tv. But it al depends on needs
@masomaf yeah I have the g4 and love it. Was just curious if they had an opinion cuz alot of ppl are returning the bravia 9 and so forth because of it apparently
Is there a G3 vs G4 comparison? I've seen some killer deals on the G3 and since I'm shopping 77in+ the price differences really makes me wonder if i should pay the premium for the G4
We currently don't have a video for it, but you can use our comparison tool to look deeper into the numbers here: www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-g3-oled-vs-lg-g4-oled/37849/49542?usage=1&threshold=0.10
Panasonic and Philips have models z95a and 909 with an even brighter version of the g4 panel, and they both do better processing, unfortunately both TVs are very expensive
The G4 picture has better highlights than C4. If you have the money go with the G4 but you’ll be happy with the C4 as well or for almost about the same price. Go with the G3 instead.
The LG G3 OLED does get a bit dimmer in Game Mode. It's especially noticeable with smaller highlights, which are significantly dimmer than they are out of Game Mode. Bright full-screen scenes, for their part, aren't impacted!
Just got the C4. I use it in my bedroom at nights, it gets bright enough (or even brighter) for my eyes. Anyone here who could give me an advice about Dynamic Tone Maping or HGiG in Game Mode? 😅
This is not true, in fact we had to question if the opposite was true. At the end of the day, as long you watch varied content and don't leave static elements visible on the screen for long periods, you shouldn't have any issues with either panel type. You can learn more about the differences between QD-OLED and WOLED in more detail, including burn-in, here: www.rtings.com/tv/learn/qd-oled-vs-woled
i actually want the soap opera "live" effect. i'm split between the s90d and the g4. don't want s95 due to one connect box with dropout issues. it would be mostly used for dvd/blue ray and over the air football. sony supposedly is the best at that but it's also costs double and the other factors on rtings lists it worse than s90d and g4. would the g4 be worth $1000 extra for better processing?
This was heartbreaking for me to watch.. I try to improvise and everything points back to this expensive ass G3… 🤦♀️ I wanted to have faith in the C4..but you stepped on it.
My G4 has a reddish tint around 1/4 of the bottom, a greenish tint in the middle. This tint shifts depending on how far I am from the screen or if I am standing or sitting.
@@HiKielLiHi visible on anime or when gaming if therr is a large portion of solid colors like snow in RDR2 or some games that have a full screen map with its own background of a single shade, like Ghost of Tsushima
@@Pandemonium088 …so is every LG G4 panel affected by this because I really wanted a G4..a Sony A95L is another good choice but I hear they’re plagued with bad vertical banding?
In europe you can choose between the stand and the far better flush wall mount in 55" and 65". And no the C4 is not thinner. You should always measure at the thickest point and then the G4 is thinner.
The price difference between the C4 and G4 is 100% worth it. Not because it looks better, but because it has a much longer panel warranty. My 18 month old C2 just spawned a line down the middle and if I didn’t buy the (admittedly awful) extended warranty through the brick, I’d be SOL. The 1 year with the C series vs the 5 with the G series is worth the price differential alone.
@@drunksquirrel2051 the price difference is $500. The 3 year extended warranty through the brick is $489. Better tv, same price as a C series with protection
Anyone on here have issues with hdmi port 2 ? I’ve read lots of users pissed with this problem on the C2, 3 -4 and both G series. Why the F hasn’t fixed this problem…if I’m not mistaken that’s the arc port. I’m looking at the Sony Bravia 9 instead for my living room.
Another key thing you didn't mention is colour accuracy in game mode. All the other LG OLEDs, including the C4, have significantly reduced colour volume whilst in game mode (especially in SDR) and can look a little washed-out, but they managed to fix this issue for the G4 which makes it even more valuable for gamers.
@TheRealJohnHooper I believe so. Whether it's a reduced colour gamut I'm not entirely sure, but they definitely look more washed out as it was a common complaint.
Barely anyone talks about the sucky drawback to MLA (& QDOLED) Personally I like the C4 only because I hate the raised blacks when theirs any lighting in the room. I notice it right away with dark scenes. Hopefully they manage to figure something out in 2-3 years when I’m ready to buy, but I doubt it since no ones seems to complain about it! I wish the 83” didn’t use the horrid MLA. Timing was not on my side..
should have gotten an 83 inch g3. No MLA, No raised blacks, but a heatsink. Heck this year has the green tint which is more noticeable on larger sizes. Since the edges are inherently more off angle.
As a C1 owner it would almost be tempting to upgrade to the C4 if it weren't for the nerfed highlights in game mode, big L for LG. (The C1 to C4 brightness improvements in movie mode range from about 50% better up to the C4 giving fully double brightness in landscape images, but the C1 does not change tuning in Game Mode where the C4 does so most of that advantage is washed away in gaming.)
I have a 83 c3...... I bought a 83g4 for 2500, someone wants to buy from me for 4300 (1800 profit). I can get a 83 c4 for $3000.... So essentially my question is.... $1200 for a 83c4, $2500 for a 83g4 or just $1800 profit in my pocket!
Their website says max consumption 215w but my TV has a sticker that says 471watt, and my 850VA UPS screams when I have a bright scene with primary colors lol
Thanks rtings. Appreciate your testing and data.
Edit: what happened to the blooper reel at the end? Is Abby just no longer making any mistakes and getting it all in 1 take every time, or are we being punished for doing something wrong? We need those bloopers!
There will still be bloopers to come! Sometimes we have some other things we want to point people towards is all 😄 Happy to hear you enjoy the blooper reels though!
LG states "the green tint on Rtings C4 is within manufacturing tolerances", thus making it sound like a minor panel lottery issue. However the Sony Bravia 8 that Rtings reviewed had the identical green tint problem, which can be seen in the off angle viewing video and Chroma and Hue graphs. That both TVs from different brands have the identical problem and virtually identical measurements suggests more than a manufacturing tolerance issue. The panel for both TVs is made by LG Display (a separate entity from LG Electronics) and it appears that they have screwed up their non-MLA panels this year? Thoughts?
Forget the C this yr. G would have my $ if I was on the market this yr.
@@jcadvanced G3 OVER C4 ALL DAY
My 55 c4 has no green tint yet the one on display at the store did (it still looked good wasn't too noticeable). Purchased in Australia.
Always something.. i have a c1 then it was pink tint
LG wnats you to buy the G4. LGE and LGD, might be different companies, but they are still part of the same parent company LG Corp. in Seoul, South Korea.
I love my 77 G4, panel spec was only part of my decision making. The G4 got my pick because it is so much thinner for wall mounting.
I just got a brand new 55 inch C3 in europe as my first OLED and it was half the price the C4 is going for and i'm insanely happy. Seeing everything about C4, it's just not worth it, unless you have infinite money (in which case you go for the G series anyway lol). Thanks for all your work Rtings!
@mattevanst4967 How are you liking it so far? Is 55" sufficient for a bedroom? Because I intend to get it in 65". 😊
Am getting the c4 I am batman 🗿
C4/G4 will come down in price over time, just like all their equivalent predecessors.
I did the same when the C3 came out with the C2, for $900 I got a 5yr warranty for a 55' model. happy camper.
I have a CX. I haven’t wanted or been interested in actually buying a new TV since. I still like to keep track of what is going on in this space. I haven’t seen anything particularly interesting. The extra brightness and color levels is nice, but I don’t feel like I am missing much.
If you're planning to buy some great TV to become monitor with PC mode, I recommended LG 42 C4, it's not only C4 but also 42 inch version of it, because its all 4K TVs, so 42 (smaller one) has more Pixel per inch (PPI) than any other unit, Don't forget to using ISF mode to getting the most accurate color possible, and when you're using it as monitor and looking at the screen from monitor distance, so hard to tell which one has MLA, but you definitely can tell which screen is sharper because of LG 42 C4 has 103,39 PPI, while 55 G4 (smallest size of G4 series) only has 80,58 PPI.
I just picked up the 65” G4 a couple days ago for my living room. It’s incredible. I’m an avid gamer and have a PC built for my living room as well and playing Ghost of Tsushima on this thing IN 4K with HDR on is absolutely stunning. Also have watched a couple of my 4k Blu Rays and I realize I never truly experienced HDR until I got this TV as I was coming from a 5+ year old basic Samsung LCD TV (non QLED). Mind blowing. Zero regrets.
Shame as QD OLED is better
@@trewright1482shame the Samsung Matt screen destroys image quality and the Sony isn’t a good gaming TV
Just wait a couple of years haha (burn in)
@@joaogoulart29 QD OLED is what tends to get burn in. LG’s WOLEDs are far less susceptible. I have multiple friends with LG OLED TVs. They’ve been using them for years without a single issue. This G4 also comes with a 5 year warranty that includes burn in protection which proves their confidence in the quality of their product.
@@joaogoulart29 WOLED has less risk of burn in I guess but yes. The anxiety is real.
Colour volume on the G4 is better too the MLA layer increase the G4's ability to make colours brighter also it seems a lot of reviewers are talking about how the G4 seems to have more depth almost like a 3D effect in the picture.
Bought a 77in G3 on clearance for $2280 with the stand, such s great deal. The C4 looks great, but the G3 and G4 look amazing. IMO get a G3 if you can find one and save.
this.
It’s probably the same as a G4 once u mess with the settings. G4 is a marginal increase.
I heard cinematic/movies the processing on G4 is much better now (than other models):
Fluid motions when pan shots/drone shots: less judder/stutter without getting soap opera, even without the cinematic motion option ON. With cinematic motion on, soap opera is minimized while pan shots are even more fluid.
The G3 needed cinematic motion for more fluid pan shots while the G4 did not need it.
Source : stop fomo and brians tech therapy compare test.
But whatabout c4???
Dont they have the same processor
@@ShiningBOT a11 on g4 is different c4 uses a9
what video did they say this in?
@@SunRiseInTheFuture ua-cam.com/users/liveFBvf-TrDds8?si=hjJaXxTbbcWhtkjC
From 1h 39 min cinematic motions sections
@@ShiningBOT In previous years the C and G models used the same CPU but this year they are different.
I bought a G4 recently and thought it was worth it for that bit of extra brightness. I could have saved a little and bought the C4 but at the end of the day this is a TV I want to live with for years.
@@Codestud you picked amazing tv,i do the same,i always pick the best and highest model,we buy tv for 5-8 years and want enjoy fully watching everything✌️🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@Adrianek81 We buy all the best and highest end models and upgrade yearly (usually). Sometimes I'll replace in two years if the next year's models is a small, incremental upgrade.
@@vgnvideogameninja2930 i see ok,the lastest tech and the best one😜✌️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
until the G5 😉
Enjoy your complimentary burn in 😂
Its a shame Samsung dont use their best processors on the QD oled models, otherwise the choice would had been pretty clear cut, especially when it comes to gaming. So, now we are stuck with "Should i go with LG cause of the better processing + DV & DTS, or should i go with Samsung because of color brightness and better game mode 🤔" torment ...
Lg g series 5 yr warranty is also a thing I consider.
But Samsung's TVs are garbage quality, regardless of how good the tech is. Terrible software and long-term reliability.
@@mattspeer01 i hear that a lot people were returning the s95b a lot on forums
Samsung might be cheap after a few months.. they always do weird things with pricing on their products
But I like quality and good software
The one who comes out victorious is the G3 which is cheaper and better money-wise. Shame they are running out of stock.
O have my eyes in the g3 77 here in the UK but is out of stock for months on the LG website
G3 is vastly inferior to g4 or qd oled
G4-OLED is king 👑
Last year's G3-OLED with MLA a viable alternative if you can snag one at discounted price.
Actually A95L and Bravia 9 are the kings. 👑
Maybe in peak brightness, but the prices ans availability is scarse
Love the reviews(as always!).
And from what I learned watching this channels for quite some times, those Brighter OLEDs TV gonna pop up some Burn-In faster, specially w/ red colors.
So my choice would be C4 for way cheaper prices (and ready to return + get another if I won the lottery of Bad Batches and get super Green Tint issue)
Hi Abby. Money no object the G4 is the way to go but not everyone has deep pockets for a G4. The C series has always seemed to be the TV most people get.😊
Nice simple and easy-to-understand review.
Good job!
Good video here. Keep in mind that there is more to the "Brightness Booster Max" technology on the G4 than just the MLA layer. Several pieces of software accompany that technology overall and it clearly makes the G4 brighter than the C4. The interesting thing here is what the 97" G4 will look like without MLA? On the surface, it should fall somewhere between a C4 and smaller G4 w/MLA. But it still may have some of the brightness boosting software, still has the enhanced A11 processor, still has a heatsink, and still uses a G4 panel. What will it be lacking compared to the smaller sizes in PQ? For light controlled rooms, if it's just missing a few extra nits it shouldn't be a factor.
Similar to last year with the 83” G3 since it didn’t use MLA. It still had higher brightness in highlights than the C4. I wish I was ready to buy a tv I would’ve gotten it.
Excellent comparison review. Thank you.
Great review. Happy to say that our 2015 LG OLED is still doing great (knock wood), but good to keep up in case she decides to call it quits on us. I guess paying $2,500+ on a 65" TV today is in line for what we paid in 2015 - for quality and reliability.
I was going to get a C series based on the initial C3 vs G3 reviews being like "it's only a little brighter", then I saw them both in real life and the C3 was fine but the G3 blew me away. Point is, I really don't think these reviews of hardened TV reviewers capture the subjective experience of seeing these TVs in real life. Maybe you also think MLA isn't worth it, but I strongly advise you see panels in real life to get that feeling of whether or not it is worth it to you.
absolutely agree with this. Talk specs and tech all you like. Go and see the tv's in person in a shop. the G4 stands out much more than any other TV I've seen to be honest.
Everybody knows G4 is better but does it worth paying more?
Depends on the individual. Not imo.
no
No.
That's part of what this video is for! 😄
Just get a C3 if you're tight for cash
You're only going to notice that shift in Brightness in the G4 with gaming and certain HDR content......it's ashame LG nerfs the C4 in game mode/HDR for Brightness. I don't even think it's worth it to buy the C4 currently as the C3 picture is almost identical minus the green tint of the C4.......buy the G3 or C3 and save yourself some $$$$$$.
And to, The G4 might be over bright and washing out the image which if your turning down brightness you might as well get a C series. But no one talks about that
@DETERMINOLOGY true, but the 99% aren't videophiles like me & you and won't notice the little differences we do.....
@@TheBucsAnthem I’m not going to pay 500+ for that difference either. G4 betta goto the moon or something which it doesn’t. I’m sure it’s better then c4 but it’s not that crazy of a difference
Yes, C4 owner here, save money and get the C3. I'm happy with my C4 but wish I had picked the cheaper C3.
@@DETERMINOLOGY go for a g3. You still get mla, no green tint and wayy cheaper than the g4.
G-model is the new C-model (to the B-model back then), prices are too close to still go with the C4
Amazing work as always! Please keep it up!
abby you are the best I just bought the 77 C 4 hope don’t be regretting
Congrats! Hope you enjoy the purchase! 😄
LG G4 all the way, 77" model is in the house, one of the best all-rounded TV!
C4 has almost ruler flat frequency response compared to G4. Especiallt in low volume levels where most consumers will use the TVs. Both tvs have similar low cut off frequency. Why did you give G4 higher score? 🤣 @rtings
the bass hump, the thing is, that bass hump in room will sound better. It's even just a raised shelf, nice and even but increased volume. The TV doesn't have low bass so an extra bit of kick at 100-300hz, midbass, is the next best thing. A bit more emphasis on the lowest notes it CAN hit. It'll subjectively sound better, no question, as someone who is very into audio and measurements to a flat response that doesn't go any lower. Small speakers in a big room.
@@paulcox2447 I’m a TV soun designer myself and I have countless hours on this subject. What you say is true for music but it can make the dialogue muddy, so I can partially agree with you. The point is that I want the return from rtings. Because they’re running the Tv’s room calibration beforehand, wnich is expected to correct FR.
So If we’re going to evalute subjectively, then why rtings is providing in depth audio test measurmenets? Are their result objective + subjective? Then why I cant see the objective and subjective scores seperately?
I have an LG A2. 99% of the usage is for watching streamed content (mostly sports) which is sent at 720P, 30 and sometimes 60 FPS. Would there be a noticeable difference stepping up to a C4?
Excellent review comparing these. Helped me understand the differences. Thank you 👍🏻
Happy to hear you found this helpful! Thanks for watching 😄
Wonder where MLA or QD-OLED goes from here
There’s no reason they couldn’t be combined, right?
@@CalebPerez The only reason LG uses MLA is because the woled panel itself if very inefficient since it's scatters light a lot (which is why MLA is there to 'focus' it) whereas QD-OLED is efficient where it doesn't scatter much.
It'd probably just end up being a big price jump to implement for little benefit
Maybe we will move to pholed or qdel in a year or two?
@@chibbyylolbut qd oled burns faster and have different pixel layout giving less sharpness
Each technique has pros and cons
@@verttisyrjala2897what are those?
Thanks for the review its much appreciated 👍👍👍
Thanks for watching! 😄
LG partner store sold C4 77” for $1799 vs G4 77” for $2799. I would not choose G4 for that price difference.
You mentioned quickly about a LG M4, is it the same quality in picture etc as G4 the one difference being it’s wireless? Anyway I can’t really find that tv for sale, maybe it’s for special needs for a small group of people
Can you please do a LG G3 VS C4 comparison video? I'm seriously debating between the two because of pricing while the G3 is still available
it's not close, get the g3. The g3 has mla. The C series barely changes year to year. Same panel just tweaking the software.
The g4 is just a g3 with a new processor. It is very good this year, but it's not like last year was bad. Great last year even better this year.
C4 processing isn't better than the g3.
Take advantage of "last years model". An idea that is only viewed negatively because of corporations making us think we need a new one every year or that the tech even meaningfully changes. Last year, but 2nd best LG model for 1k cheaper than the g4.
@@paulcox2447that’s a lie, because even RTINGS even said the G3 is worse in colour banding, when compared to the C4, also the C4 has better 4k upscaling and has better audio, all while having the same hardware, so how is that possible then ?? It’s because they improved the processor and that’s why you getting better sounds from the C4 over lasts both C3/G3, image processing on the C4 is noticeably better when compared to both last years models G/C maybe research before speaking then you won’t be embarrassed or told off for lying
@@paulcox2447 The G3 was and is great but it should be said the MLA layer has changed between G3 and G4, the game mode brightness issue from the G3 has been sorted, tinting and banding has improved on the G4, the G4 is guaranteed 5yrs of WebOS updates (in addition to the new processor). By all accounts this year's model is a good step forward.
At 83 inch, my desired size, the G4 is $1600 more on sale now. Is that worth it for a .2 rating difference? #nope
I can get an LG 77" G3 for $2115 or a 77" G4 for $3500. Which would you buy? Thank you.
Thank you. Another great comparison! Really appreciate your comprehensive reviews and I love when you can add humor to the discussion! Consider a showdown video... if I had a $1000 in a bright room- what would you buy?
Thank you, we're glad you like them! We don't have a full showdown, but this is the closest we have to it: ua-cam.com/video/5c3FgUi6noU/v-deo.html
We'll consider a more official shootout video though!
I have the C4 and I don´t see a green tint. I think you get a bad panal and I think this is a production flaw of the panal and is not present in all models.
stop making me want to buy another TV lol
great review, thanks
I wish g4 for me 77
Thank you for the video.Isn't there a difference in warranty?
higher brightness for HDR is soooo worth it! but it's so expensive and not available in 42"... I'm hoping the c5 has MLA and fixes the flickering issues the c4 has!
even in an average room with the blinds closed (not blackout) the brightness matters for small highlights!
I use a 65 inch G3 as a gaming PC monitor in my bedroom and I seriously don't think anything is going to get that big of an edge over it for a long time picture wise.
By the time I replace it we'll probably have 240hrz ultrawide curved TV's lol. Playing Doom 3 on this thing with my original xbox's native HDMI port makes the game look alot newer than it is.
This is true for many older games on this G3, you can get alot more out of the color and see much better in darker games like Thief 1/2, System Shock 2 and Deus Ex.
Why do the greens look artificial on both of the tvs, it is just a camera thing?
Poor processing. The LG ranked WORST brand overall by a huge margin in the annual king 👑 of TV shootout in NY by value electronics.
While I'd rather have the 83 G4 over an 83 C4. The crazy price difference just for a little more brightness. i wish there was an 83 inch QD Oled that was reasonably priced.
Bringing back the baseball tee. I like it
It's weird the C4 skips the better processor..seems like a forced choice to make consumer's skip it for G4
3:08 Did you really only test 131 TVs? And how come that you had 131 TVs tested after testing both of these ones?
I wish the G4 came in 42" so I can use it as monitor. I would replace my C2 in a heartbeat.
We have a OLED C1.
The price was insane.
for the computer and consoles. has HDR. they said HDR 10. idk ps5 doesn't say anything about HDR 10. I don't think it ever says. They said it is. doubly vision is there.
Gsync freesync and those features help with no tear. don't know if it ever mattered.
Pretty much the internet said to put the color temperature to 50 warm. For some reason we noticed that at first it to hot then it auto adjusts.
RRating settings we used. We liked to put the brightness a bit higher. idk maybe the room.
Why did they decide taking out 3d with the glasses out? there was plenty of movies. Like Aviator.
First top end 4k TV i got. From the covid pidemic, idk people took me to do odd things. got me this old TV.
This is be a keeper for a long time. No choice really.
Still waiting on a good receiver. why are they all half 4k and half 8k? or is that just how it's labeled. there is a brand that makes smaller sized receivers.
Would of been nice if they more HDMI's in. maybe the speaker connections in.
I got my G4 a few weeks ago and have been experimenting with various settings. How much more energy does the G4 use in "normal" or "auto" mode verses if energy savings is off. I definitely notice a difference in pixel brightness between the settings.
Can Rtings do a Hisense U8N vs. TCL QM8 2024?
👀👀
Why didn’t u even mention Color volume and Color gamut? Isn’t that one of the biggest advantages of the G4 and MLA tech?
Same panel, so no difference in color volume.
Samsung qoled vs kg has color volume difference because kg use while less that reduce the color volume in bright scenes
@@haukionkannel what about Color gamut.
Color gamut is the same. Color gamut refers to the amount of colors they’re capable of covering. The g4 has better color volume because it’s able to achieve brighter colors.
@@crowntotheundergroud True so why didn’t they mention it then man.
@@denissssss8579 I don't know dude. It's one of the most important aspects of a display. They should show their actual measurements, but they're still weak compared to qd-oled, so maybe that's why?
I prefer the stand on the C4, how low does the G4 stand go down? looks a little too high, of course if you get a soundbar won't be as much of an issue.
MLA makes the G4 brighter but you lose color volume, when you look at both you notice that colors look more washed out on the G4
My C4 doesn't have those green tint though
Too bad that you have not mentioned one of the most important aspect of the G4: it supposed to have a much larger color volume due to the MLA panel. Which means that it should be able to cover a much larger area of the rec. 2020 color space.
I wonder if Rtings has any opinion on the tv shootout king of tvs that just happened where the G4 came in far behind the A95L and s95D. I'd be curious because they have the g4 and a95L tied for the best they've tested
The shootout only talked panels performance with some scenes. Not overall experience of the tv.
Dolby vision was not tested
Not mentioned input lags
Not tested game modes
Not tested system software
Not compared number of inputs
Not compared pass trough options.
Not mentioned lg 5 yr warranty.
Not compared sound quality(but advanced users will buy extra sound hardware).
In general the g4 was sharper due to different pixel texture of woled vs qd.
Samsung in other reviews was mentioned to have poorer motion processing.
Lg out of the box in DV barely needs tweaking according to other reviews.
So g4 is still not a bad tv.
But it al depends on needs
@masomaf yeah I have the g4 and love it. Was just curious if they had an opinion cuz alot of ppl are returning the bravia 9 and so forth because of it apparently
We looked at all three of those TVs for ourselves in our video here! ua-cam.com/video/5c3FgUi6noU/v-deo.html
I use G4 ❤ tq for Sharing
G4 is awesome can’t fault it
whats the workaround for the C4 game mode for brightness? id love to try it!
dommage que vous testiez pas des panasonic ( z95 mz2000 )
Is there a G3 vs G4 comparison? I've seen some killer deals on the G3 and since I'm shopping 77in+ the price differences really makes me wonder if i should pay the premium for the G4
The g3 is just as good I think.
We currently don't have a video for it, but you can use our comparison tool to look deeper into the numbers here: www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-g3-oled-vs-lg-g4-oled/37849/49542?usage=1&threshold=0.10
Go with the G3.
@@wolfura I'm going to pick up the 77 if its too small, i'll take it back for the 84 G4. I want the MLA tech
How does brightness compare when BFI is enabled?
The lady knows her stuff!! 😎👍👍
I haven't noticed any green tint on my C4. Must've been either lucky or the manufacturer for the European version uses different components
Great channel. Abby’s hand waving gets me dizzy though.
Panasonic and Philips have models z95a and 909 with an even brighter version of the g4 panel, and they both do better processing, unfortunately both TVs are very expensive
Lmao have u even Got g4 ,g4 is great
I 'm scared about the differences going from a 55" LCD to a 55" OLED. I'm also apprehensive going from a Sony to an LG. Any advice?
Nothing looks better than an OLED. Just get an extended warranty for peace of mind.
It’s super confusing between Bravia 7,8,9 and c4, G4. I have super bright room but want top notch image processing.
My room is mostly dark, Does MLA matter for me? Might get the C4 instead of the G4
The G4 picture has better highlights than C4. If you have the money go with the G4 but you’ll be happy with the C4 as well or for almost about the same price. Go with the G3 instead.
The MLA technology is truly brilliant
C4 vs G3 please. Does the G3 suffer from the same game optimizer issues?
The LG G3 OLED does get a bit dimmer in Game Mode. It's especially noticeable with smaller highlights, which are significantly dimmer than they are out of Game Mode. Bright full-screen scenes, for their part, aren't impacted!
This should have been recorded in HDR..
what about the B4?
I love my C3.
Just got the C4. I use it in my bedroom at nights, it gets bright enough (or even brighter) for my eyes. Anyone here who could give me an advice about Dynamic Tone Maping or HGiG in Game Mode? 😅
Don't use it, game mode kills brightness with hgig, I use filmmaker mode on ps5 and turn off DTM
@@drunksquirrel2051 if you disable game mode, do you still get the VRR function?
@@pomich7060yes, you just have to modify settings
The "C" Series Upgrades since CX-C1-C2-C3 ... are really boring.
Here's hoping they're a bit more daring with the inevitable C5 next year!
Is it true that WOLEDS have worse temporary image retention than QD OLED ?
This is not true, in fact we had to question if the opposite was true. At the end of the day, as long you watch varied content and don't leave static elements visible on the screen for long periods, you shouldn't have any issues with either panel type. You can learn more about the differences between QD-OLED and WOLED in more detail, including burn-in, here: www.rtings.com/tv/learn/qd-oled-vs-woled
I wonder if they made C4 bad for gaming on purpose. I saw several comparisons and C4 just looks bad in game mode
The brightness numbers should be much lower 6.5-7
i actually want the soap opera "live" effect. i'm split between the s90d and the g4. don't want s95 due to one connect box with dropout issues. it would be mostly used for dvd/blue ray and over the air football. sony supposedly is the best at that but it's also costs double and the other factors on rtings lists it worse than s90d and g4. would the g4 be worth $1000 extra for better processing?
S90D or S90C would be my choice and I watch the same content you do
This was heartbreaking for me to watch.. I try to improvise and everything points back to this expensive ass G3… 🤦♀️ I wanted to have faith in the C4..but you stepped on it.
spoilers: it's significantly better.
My G4 has a reddish tint around 1/4 of the bottom, a greenish tint in the middle. This tint shifts depending on how far I am from the screen or if I am standing or sitting.
can you see it when viewing content?
@@HiKielLiHi visible on anime or when gaming if therr is a large portion of solid colors like snow in RDR2 or some games that have a full screen map with its own background of a single shade, like Ghost of Tsushima
@@Pandemonium088 …so is every LG G4 panel affected by this because I really wanted a G4..a Sony A95L is another good choice but I hear they’re plagued with bad vertical banding?
@@HiKielLiHi I have no idea.
In europe you can choose between the stand and the far better flush wall mount in 55" and 65".
And no the C4 is not thinner. You should always measure at the thickest point and then the G4 is thinner.
The price difference between the C4 and G4 is 100% worth it. Not because it looks better, but because it has a much longer panel warranty. My 18 month old C2 just spawned a line down the middle and if I didn’t buy the (admittedly awful) extended warranty through the brick, I’d be SOL. The 1 year with the C series vs the 5 with the G series is worth the price differential alone.
K, send me another $1000 since your so rich
@@drunksquirrel2051 the price difference is $500. The 3 year extended warranty through the brick is $489. Better tv, same price as a C series with protection
@@StaneDaynus not in the USA. Try again
@@drunksquirrel2051 maybe you should try again, not everywhere on the planet is the US. Also, it’s not a $1000 price difference even in the US.
@@StaneDaynus wrong, the G4 is a thousand more at nearly every store. Please stop being retarded
Anyone on here have issues with hdmi port 2 ? I’ve read lots of users pissed with this problem on the C2, 3 -4 and both G series. Why the F hasn’t fixed this problem…if I’m not mistaken that’s the arc port. I’m looking at the Sony Bravia 9 instead for my living room.
Another key thing you didn't mention is colour accuracy in game mode. All the other LG OLEDs, including the C4, have significantly reduced colour volume whilst in game mode (especially in SDR) and can look a little washed-out, but they managed to fix this issue for the G4 which makes it even more valuable for gamers.
@TheRealJohnHooper I believe so. Whether it's a reduced colour gamut I'm not entirely sure, but they definitely look more washed out as it was a common complaint.
What's the best oled for watching hdr movies in a dark room, between LG c3, c4 or Samsung s90c?
Samsung lacks support for some HDR formats. Without transcoding, you could make an argument for LG. G4 is clearly better range than C4
@@sarunasj the g4 is way out of my budget
Get c3 to save money and having dolby vision
étant basée a Montréal ca serait cool d'avoir une version française!
I wish g4 came in 42 inch size.
Barely anyone talks about the sucky drawback to MLA (& QDOLED) Personally I like the C4 only because I hate the raised blacks when theirs any lighting in the room. I notice it right away with dark scenes.
Hopefully they manage to figure something out in 2-3 years when I’m ready to buy, but I doubt it since no ones seems to complain about it! I wish the 83” didn’t use the horrid MLA. Timing was not on my side..
should have gotten an 83 inch g3. No MLA, No raised blacks, but a heatsink. Heck this year has the green tint which is more noticeable on larger sizes. Since the edges are inherently more off angle.
This review wasted so much bandwidth G4 is by far worth it over the C4
As a C1 owner it would almost be tempting to upgrade to the C4 if it weren't for the nerfed highlights in game mode, big L for LG.
(The C1 to C4 brightness improvements in movie mode range from about 50% better up to the C4 giving fully double brightness in landscape images, but the C1 does not change tuning in Game Mode where the C4 does so most of that advantage is washed away in gaming.)
I have the C9, and the C4 is much brighter and better processing. It feels like a worth while upgrade for sure
thanks:)
Thanks for watching! 😄
they are almost the same so no need to spend that much on the G4 for those who don't have that cash..i'll take the c4
I have a 83 c3...... I bought a 83g4 for 2500, someone wants to buy from me for 4300 (1800 profit). I can get a 83 c4 for $3000.... So essentially my question is.... $1200 for a 83c4, $2500 for a 83g4 or just $1800 profit in my pocket!
Somewhere in line!
Power consumption?
Their website says max consumption 215w but my TV has a sticker that says 471watt, and my 850VA UPS screams when I have a bright scene with primary colors lol