As an American who enjoys vintage trains, that ride through the Yorkshire countryside powered by that vintage locomotive looks like a very scenic and picturesque ride! I’m glad to see that Britain treasures its railway history as much as we Americans treasure our railroad (that’s what we call them in the States) history!
The journey from Pickering through the moors is quite surprising picturesque it may be but there are areas that could be from the Wild West! There is no sign of civilisation at all, except close to the permanent way, well worth a trip just for the view of a land untouched.
From 1825 into the 1830's over here in the UK they were called railroads, where I live in the north east of England we had "The Stanhope & Tyne Railroad Company" which opened a line in 1834 past where I live, the term "railway" I believe came about during what was known here as the "railway mania" period from the 1840's when the rail companies had to pay landowners what was known as a "way leave" to cross their land, hence the term "railway" became the norm...
Unfortunately. As a fellow rail fan and steam locomotive enthusiast. I’ve found that. In fact. America does not love its rail history as much as the UK does There are a great many reasons for why I’ve come to this conclusion. And if you wish to know them I’d be happy to lay them out at a later time. But as for now. I’m pretty sure the English know what America calls its railways lol. Railway and railroad are like. Beginner 101 stuff. And if this channel was still in the starting stages then it wouldn’t have nearly as many locomotive videos on it
My grandmother’s home in Eau Claire, WI, USA, was one removed from the tracks. We would stand at the end of her driveway, and wave to the engineers as they went past. I was such a regular, they always waved back at me! Good memories from my very early childhood 😁
fantastic footage,ive got a Hornby Black 5 from a trainset i used to have in the early 70's with its originally stock carriages,a beautiful engine & sits on display with my Hornby Oliver Cromwell from the 70's,thankgod these beautiful engines are kept alive
Wow, I used to work on 44806 back in the 1980's when it was moved from Southport to the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester. Back then it was named 'Magpie', and was regularly seen in Thames TV's kids show 'Magpie'
The black five was a work horse of the steam locos. Used to love standing on a bridge when a steam loco went underneath. Great smell and a lovely black face to go with it. Lol.
@nickkaye176 Me too. I loved being enveloped by smoke and that special smell as I stood on the footbridge. Then I'd go home for lunch and my mother would say, "You've been watching the trains again." "How did you know, Mum?" The reply was usually "Go and look at your face in the mirror and give it a good wash." Wonderful, happy, boyhood memories.
Jumping to the 4:20 mark you can see a set of catch points on the left track at the entrance/exit of the tunnel. Why are there catch points at that location and why are the points oriented to affect movements going out of the tunnel? Just curious.
That line runs up to the depot, I’m guessing the catch points are set in case of any runaways which would stop them going over the crossing and through the station.
@@peterheath9002 the locos don’t change position, that’s why one minute the steam loco is leading, then the next the diesel is. They leave Grosmont station with the steam loco leading and the diesel on the rear, it gets to its destination, where the diesel loco then tows it back to Grosmont station, which is why the diesel is then on the front and the steam loco is on the rear. Hope that makes it more clear for you.
One of the reasons we moved to Pickering at the other end of the line. We get the train through Grossmont where this video starts and on to Whitby regularly during the summer.
My uncle Percy, a mainline top link driver on the LMS, swore by Black Five locos. 'Gimme a Black Five any day instead of a Princess Royal Class (PRC). The Black Five can crap all over a PRC in terms of driving and firing. PRC's are the biggest heap of scrap ever devised by the LMS. Poor steaming heaps of junk that you have to work your back off to keep moving along the track.' His repertoire had included Patriot, Jubilee, Royal Scot, but mainly Princess Coronation Class (PCC) locomotives on turns out of Euston on the West Coast Mainline Route. His career had included firing PCC locomotives with full streamlining way back in the 1930's. I knew him as a lad back in 1964 in the twilight of his career. Interesting as both my grandfathers were 45 year enginemen driver veterans of the GCR/LNER/BR, one uncle became a senior instructor at BR later driving 4000 Kestrel, and three other uncles were firemen on the LNER/BR. When uncle Percy visited there always was the usual discursive rivalry between LMS and LNER enginemen concerning locomotives. The smell of steam locomotives. How I miss it. It is in my blood. The line to Shirebrook Colliery was only about 400 feet from where I lived, and there was a disused station. I was always around the steam locomotives, and they were always around me in my youth. I miss them.
@@KevsTrains I totally agree. Nothing sounds, smells, looks like a steam locomotive. For me steam is in my blood. My ancestors lived for the steam locomotive engineman life, because that is what it was. It was not a job, but rather a way of life.
"Once an engine attached to a train was afraid of a few drops of rain He went through a tunnel and squeaked through his funnel and he never came out again"
As a train spotter in the 50s I used to take little notice of black fives. There were so many of them. Today they look beautiful. A former driver once told me he could get 90mph out of a black five. Excellent machines.
It looks like a con. The crew of the Black 5 were completely unsighted when the train moved off over the level crossing with venting steam and clearly the Class 25 was operating under load as it entered the tunnel. Fantastic bit of stage craft.
I believe in this situation the driver screws his eyes whiile gripping the steering wheel firmly, if anything looms out of the mist he swerves to one side?
It's a growing fashion - which could prove dangerous in the long run. The driver's view of the track ahead is completely obscured, and there could be a foolish tourist wandering around, or other obstruction.
I think only 3 of the BR Standard 9Fs had mechanical stokers with archimedean screws. They were not really effective/economical for british operating conditions.
I grew up going by steam train from Weymouth to Dorchester in Dorset every day so this was very nostalgic. But why is there also a diesel locomotive at the opposite end of the train?
If you watch the full video, you’ll see the diesel is simply to pull the set back into Grosmont on it return leg as there’s no time to allow for changing ends (running round) in the timetable.
There's time but not track, the train reverses mid section during santa operation, and pushing the coaches backwards is not permitted with passengers on. @@KevsTrains
Finally, at 13:20, a view of the steam locomotive pulling the train. Also a rather disappointing start with the steam locomotive hidden in a cloud of steam. Pity!
@@KevsTrains Not so, some use of the ejectors when starting is good practice - lap and lead steam, not lap and lead water! But look at any original footage from BR steam days and this release was kept to a minimum. Poor fireman didn't want all his hard work vented! My grandad was a driver at Polmadie depot and he told us how they were all trained and observed not to be exhausting smoke or steam unnecessarily. Perhaps current drivers think it is atmospheric or romantic to have the loco enveloped in clouds of steam? But its certainly not good practice
@@055deltic I agree, I understand the need to clear water etc to protect cylinders, my dad was ex BR steam fireman and driver, maybe preservation railways do it to keep damage to a minimum due to repair costs.
My Father, arriving in England in 1949, said the trains looked like toys to him and he was there to work on the Deltic design team at Napier, from Canada. I see what he meant. Adorable. Probably would be a better look if the steam unit was at the front of the train....
Like toys maybe for a small island. But perfect presentation not many had the valves and pipes on show like NA loco,s they were also a lot faster than most with high speed lines from the 1930,s on. Did your DD leave any photos from his time with Napier.
Not really sure why the hype "Hellfire" and "Deafening" are used here - pretty standard sounds from the 'Five' - if anything rather muted compared to many performances I've witnessed.
travelling through England, Scotland, France, Switzerlandand Italy through the 50's 60's 70's None of the Engines DROWNED in Steam before Leaving, but now they Do ? even at 12.35 - 14.18, makes you wonder who's editing ?
It's necessary to open the cylinder cocks, but the current trend seems to be to do so for far longer than actually required. I suppose that it is supposed to look "spectacular", but what actually happens is that it hides the locomotive at the time when it is working hardest and so would look quite spectacular anyway.
I was told once it’s because they end up sat around for long periods of time. specially in colder weather (or like now where it was being pulled back by diesel) cylinders cool down a lot more then they would in normal service so water builds up a lot faster. Keeping them open longer heats it all back up again so no risk of water damaging anything.
It’s done to blow out any excessive water lifted over, which could threaten to blow off a cylinder cover, break a cylinder or bend a rod. HOWEVER, in steam days, I recollect that the cocks, which were open when the locomotive was standing for a while, were closed much sooner than is customary now.
@KevsTrains Absolutely. And for 71 year old kids like myself lol. Getting children interested in steam locomotives is so important for the future of these wonderful, living, breathing machines. I have loved steam since I was a very small boy.
In my younger days, Stanier 5MTs and 8Fs used to be "ten a penny," and we would barely give them a second glance unless it was a previously or rarely seen visitor. These days, I find that I go out of my way to see one. I know that the NER had a love of signalling and would erect one to cover just about any possible manoeuvre. But the NYMR seems to get a little carried away. 😊
@KevsTrains My favourites will remain the ones that I remember the best. The Thompson B1, K1, Gresley V2, and of course, the Robinson 2.8.0 variants were mainstays of my youth. I have particular affection for K1, no.62005, which was saved by the NELPG and a long-time NYMR resident. It was based at Leeds for many years, and so, I saw it regularly in the 60s.
Oh wow they got Magpie back online quickly. Now Your Marriage is Ruined didn’t waste any time! Those men lived up to their name for sure! 😂😂😂😂 Nigel Harris will be happy it’s his favorite locomotive
@@MrDibbsey Yes, in this case the driver can cleary see the starter at Grosmont station and the taps will be closed approaching Deviation shed so the next signal will be perfectly visible.
@@KevsTrains. Up to 0.05 the huge gap for passengers to cope with between platform and footstep! “Mind the Gap” is now a cynical joke phrase to many rail passengers.
I have to chuckle at people who complain about a locomotive making a lot of steam as it passes by a throng of fans who have come out to see it run! This is no longer a "working" locomotive! There are no longer "pencil pusher" corporate accountants to throw a "hissy fit" about the waste of coal. This is now a "fan" locomotive, and "wasting" coal on producing extra steam to thrill the fans means more fans, more folks that will want to ride behind it, and more money in the coffers to keep it running. If you can't understand the philosophy behind keeping such a beautiful piece of machinery running, go talk to a young child who is watching, spellbound, as she rumbles by!❤😂
Hope BR number will be restored. I don't like visiting heritage railways and seeing engines with names and numbers that mean nothing to those who remember them from BR days. I believe that far more heritage railway visitors are drawn in when this is the case.
It's just returned from overhaul so isn't fully painted. Either they planned to use it during the Christmas season like this or had to use it because another loco failed.
Nice video Kev very good camera work as usual I am really enjoying your lovely videos and camera work keep your lovely camera work up I am really looking forward to seeing your next video I hope you get a nice video next time also when is your next video going to be on UA-cam also a merry Christmas and a happy new year to you best wishes Philip xx
The diesel on the back is not there to annoy you, it is there as the Santa Special trains go from Grosmont to Fen Bog which lacks run round facilities. The simplest way to operate is to have a loco at each end of the train, steam loco pulls out, diesel loco takes the train back to Grosmont.
Like the video, But what is very distracting, the wind on the mic, While I don''t know what your using to record this video, I suggest you get a dead cat on the mic aka wind sock, if it's cell phone, I suggest getting a camera like NX 500 yes and old but good camera with a boom mic, there are plenty at a good price similar to the NX series mirrorless cameras.
@@KevsTrains Thanks for the explanation. I read that most steam pulled trains today, including the USA, are required to have a diesel back-up in case of breakdown.
04:02 A diesel pushing the train? No wonder they blew down the tanks leaving the station, they didn't NEED any steam since it's a non-functional steamer!
@@LordDustinDeWynd To bring the train back from Fen Bog. The steam loco pulls the train on the outward leg, the diesel pulls the train back to Grosmont.
It was necessary and not a fad. That loco was not warmed through and had condensate in its steam circuit. To clear the condensate the loco has to move with the drain cocks open. By the time it got to the other end of the tunnel the condensate was cleared out and the cocks closed.
I fully understand that. I have driven steam in service but nowadays it is frequently both unnecessary and/or excessive. Just look around 4896 on here, it is blowing off for several minutes completely wasting steam. Incompetent firing failing to anticipate what is needed.
Why do drivers seem to use the cylinder cocks so much nowadays? They didn't keep them open for so long until fairly recently. I wonder if it is the retirement of the older generation of drivers retiring that has caused the change? A few seconds should be all that is required to clear the cylinders.. They should remember they are in the entertainment industry and hiding the engine behind clouds of steam deprives the viewing/paying public.
My last steam-hauled trip on British Rail was Wolverhampton Central to Blackpool on a day trip in 1963. My young memory gives me a 4-6-0 and my adult knowledge says the size indicates a 5F, but I guess it could have been a 4F/4P. The run home was behind a diesel (Deltic?). I was NOT amused 😆
I'm sorry to have to tell you, but Black Fives whilst, no doubt, splendid examples of steam powered locomotives are quaint, old-fashioned and awfully inefficient. There are such things as Electric Locomotives and Electric Multiple Units which can easily outpace any steam locomotive with none of the noise, painfully slow acceleration, and dust-laden fumes associated with them. I would far sooner see a BLS Re465 in action any steam engine.
Nooooo, you can’t say that, steam engines have personality characteristics and all round beautiful, I agree some ‘diesel’ locomotives are fantastic too.
I have to say, I don't think the steam crew were doing a very good job managing the pressure. I've never seen steam blown off to that extent even on a first start! On the second start, with the safety blowing, they really seem to be stuggling!
It was. In BR days they were able to clear out condensate between coming off shed and reaching the station. At Grosmont there is only 1/4 mile to do it.
What a shambles when it first set off, never would you see a steam engine set off like that in British rail days, and if you did the crew would probably be told never to do that again.
In BR days a loco setting off with its train would have travelled some distance from shed to station travelling with cocks open to clear condensation out. At Grosmont the shed is 1/4 mile from the station so to avoid hydraulic damage a cold engine needs to travel some distance with the cocks open or suffer damage.
Incorrect view, the diesel engine on back is there to haul the stock back into Grosmont from its turning point. Both locomotives have radio communications with each other.
What a shame when steam engine drivers blow off so much steam as they leave. Makes it impossible to see the loco..and lord knows how the driver sees where the train is going or what obstruction might be in front of him/her/it/they/them/ze/zie/zim/zieself/etc/etc
Steam condenses into water in the cylinders and water doesn’t compress. If you don’t open the cylinder cocks and provide a way for the water escape, the front of the cylinder will blow off,
It only happened with the first deparure of the day to avoid hydraulic damage, the later departures had the loco thoroughly warmed through so the drain cocks were not needed to be open. The signal at Grosmont station allows the train to proceed and the next signal as near Deviation shed by then the drain cocks will be closed,
Steam engines are noisy, dirty, inefficient, polluting magnificent monsters. And I absolutely adore them!! Great video btw.
Prefer steam to the stink of diesel, and I adore them too😊💖
Drop "magnificent" from the description and you have a perfect description of the person attempting to steal back America's Whitehouse. VOTE BLUE!
@@annbeirne9583And what exactly are they burning to create the heat needed to create the steam?
@JamesFolkers: Well it certainly isn't diesel! You clearly know nothing about rail steam traction!
@@JamesFolkers
Carvão! 🔥👍
As an American who enjoys vintage trains, that ride through the Yorkshire countryside powered by that vintage locomotive looks like a very scenic and picturesque ride! I’m glad to see that Britain treasures its railway history as much as we Americans treasure our railroad (that’s what we call them in the States) history!
Yeah. And from here I’ve enjoyed watching videos posted by your heritage railways too.
The journey from Pickering through the moors is quite surprising picturesque it may be but there are areas that could be from the Wild West! There is no sign of civilisation at all, except close to the permanent way, well worth a trip just for the view of a land untouched.
Glad you enjoyed it dude because the rest of the country is a 3rd world shithole
From 1825 into the 1830's over here in the UK they were called railroads, where I live in the north east of England we had "The Stanhope & Tyne Railroad Company" which opened a line in 1834 past where I live, the term "railway" I believe came about during what was known here as the "railway mania" period from the 1840's when the rail companies had to pay landowners what was known as a "way leave" to cross their land, hence the term "railway" became the norm...
Unfortunately. As a fellow rail fan and steam locomotive enthusiast. I’ve found that. In fact. America does not love its rail history as much as the UK does There are a great many reasons for why I’ve come to this conclusion. And if you wish to know them I’d be happy to lay them out at a later time. But as for now. I’m pretty sure the English know what America calls its railways lol. Railway and railroad are like. Beginner 101 stuff. And if this channel was still in the starting stages then it wouldn’t have nearly as many locomotive videos on it
I love black 5s. Brings back childhood memories of my granny taking me to the nearby railway line and the drivers waving at me as they passed. 😊
My grandmother’s home in Eau Claire, WI, USA, was one removed from the tracks. We would stand at the end of her driveway, and wave to the engineers as they went past. I was such a regular, they always waved back at me! Good memories from my very early childhood 😁
Grew up with black fives, my favourite loco. Never saw one as clean as this., they always had their work clothes on!
Beautiful aren’t they 👍
Black Fives. Superb mixed traffic locomotives.
They are my favourite steam loco
@@KevsTrains F 5's
@@gilesellis8002 5F5P 5MT
fantastic footage,ive got a Hornby Black 5 from a trainset i used to have in the early 70's with its originally stock carriages,a beautiful engine & sits on display with my Hornby Oliver Cromwell from the 70's,thankgod these beautiful engines are kept alive
I couldn’t agree more, i absolutely love them, I model O gauge and I wish there was an affordable model in the scale.
Wow, I used to work on 44806 back in the 1980's when it was moved from Southport to the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester. Back then it was named 'Magpie', and was regularly seen in Thames TV's kids show 'Magpie'
You’ll be happy to see her back up and running 👍
The black five was a work horse of the steam locos. Used to love standing on a bridge when a steam loco went underneath. Great smell and a lovely black face to go with it. Lol.
Best memories
@nickkaye176 Me too. I loved being enveloped by smoke and that special smell as I stood on the footbridge. Then I'd go home for lunch and my mother would say, "You've been watching the trains again." "How did you know, Mum?" The reply was usually "Go and look at your face in the mirror and give it a good wash." Wonderful, happy, boyhood memories.
Another excellent steam video, literally!
Many thanks 👍
CAN'T BEAT THE SIGHT SOUNDS AND THE SMELL OF STEAM LOCOMOTIVES PURE NOSTALGIA
You’re not wrong at all 👌
Impressive!
Isn’t it just
Jumping to the 4:20 mark you can see a set of catch points on the left track at the entrance/exit of the tunnel. Why are there catch points at that location and why are the points oriented to affect movements going out of the tunnel? Just curious.
That line runs up to the depot, I’m guessing the catch points are set in case of any runaways which would stop them going over the crossing and through the station.
Sorry, forgot to mention, great video. Much appreciated thank you
You’re welcome 👍
starts with diesel at rear then it's on the front then black 5 is on the rear running backwards! what is gong on?
It’s very simple, it departs along the section of line to where it stops, the diesel engine then pulls it back.
@@KevsTrains that explains nothing! where abouts do the locos change position? for instance?
@@peterheath9002 the locos don’t change position, that’s why one minute the steam loco is leading, then the next the diesel is. They leave Grosmont station with the steam loco leading and the diesel on the rear, it gets to its destination, where the diesel loco then tows it back to Grosmont station, which is why the diesel is then on the front and the steam loco is on the rear. Hope that makes it more clear for you.
@@KevsTrains not really!
@@peterheath9002 what aren’t you understanding?
First time viewer really enjoyed the video looking forward to more thank you
Many thanks Richard, welcome.
One of the reasons we moved to Pickering at the other end of the line. We get the train through Grossmont where this video starts and on to Whitby regularly during the summer.
Beautiful area 👍
I went to lady lumleys school from the age of 12 3/4 as we moved to Thornton Dale,always loved hearing the trains leave the station
Nice Kevs. Merry Christmas to you and yours🎉. All the Best for the New Year🎉🎉🎉
Thank you and Merry Christmas to you and yours too, have a good one and all the best 🎉🎉
My uncle Percy, a mainline top link driver on the LMS, swore by Black Five locos. 'Gimme a Black Five any day instead of a Princess Royal Class (PRC). The Black Five can crap all over a PRC in terms of driving and firing. PRC's are the biggest heap of scrap ever devised by the LMS. Poor steaming heaps of junk that you have to work your back off to keep moving along the track.' His repertoire had included Patriot, Jubilee, Royal Scot, but mainly Princess Coronation Class (PCC) locomotives on turns out of Euston on the West Coast Mainline Route. His career had included firing PCC locomotives with full streamlining way back in the 1930's. I knew him as a lad back in 1964 in the twilight of his career. Interesting as both my grandfathers were 45 year enginemen driver veterans of the GCR/LNER/BR, one uncle became a senior instructor at BR later driving 4000 Kestrel, and three other uncles were firemen on the LNER/BR. When uncle Percy visited there always was the usual discursive rivalry between LMS and LNER enginemen concerning locomotives. The smell of steam locomotives. How I miss it. It is in my blood. The line to Shirebrook Colliery was only about 400 feet from where I lived, and there was a disused station. I was always around the steam locomotives, and they were always around me in my youth. I miss them.
@@MrMoggyman they are absolutely fantastic machines.
@@KevsTrains I totally agree. Nothing sounds, smells, looks like a steam locomotive. For me steam is in my blood. My ancestors lived for the steam locomotive engineman life, because that is what it was. It was not a job, but rather a way of life.
@@MrMoggyman you’ve hit the nail on the head there.
Greetings from Lostock Hall, can we have it back? Black Fives Matter.
Greetings back and no you can’t 😂😂
"Once an engine attached to a train
was afraid of a few drops of rain
He went through a tunnel
and squeaked through his funnel
and he never came out again"
As a train spotter in the 50s I used to take little notice of black fives. There were so many of them. Today they look beautiful. A former driver once told me he could get 90mph out of a black five. Excellent machines.
@@keithalexander3386 they are beautiful machines and sound fantastic too.
Black Five on the 7-10pm from St. Pancras to Nottingham I timed at 90MPH down the hill from Ampthill to Bedford in the 1950's.
It looks like a con. The crew of the Black 5 were completely unsighted when the train moved off over the level crossing with venting steam and clearly the Class 25 was operating under load as it entered the tunnel. Fantastic bit of stage craft.
@@RobinMcKinlay the Black 5 had just returned to service following complete overhaul, I think they were trying to ease her back in.
I used to travel regularly by stream in the Uk. What’s with all the excess steam? Never used to be like that.
Believed to protect cylinders following previous damage
crazy design to blow out all piston steam AHEAD of the loco… blinds driver from seeing ahead !
The cylinder cocks are opened to vent water (condensed steam) out from the cylinders after being stationary. They are closed after a while.
I believe in this situation the driver screws his eyes whiile gripping the steering wheel firmly, if anything looms out of the mist he swerves to one side?
And the little original G Stephenson horse railway tunnel pre steam. This is a Very old line
That's why we preserved it.
The Dragon enters the mouth of hell ! With a twist in the tail. 😂 All great fun ( as the love of steam should be ! 👍
It really is
Why has it now become the norm to empty half of the boiler before starting off and depriving the cylinders of oil?
Really don’t know, on the second run they weren’t opened at all
It's a growing fashion - which could prove dangerous in the long run. The driver's view of the track ahead is completely obscured, and there could be a foolish tourist wandering around, or other obstruction.
If it's the first time of the day the cylinders will be cold so *maybe (I don't know) it's railway rules to do so
@@KevsTrains Not needeed as by then the loco had warmed up.
@@gainsbourg66 It's not a fashion it's good practice to prevent damage to a cold engine.
You are supposed to blow out the cylinder drains before you move off.
Yes, to start, the regulator has to be opened. This is generally when the taps are closed.
How would you do that when the steam only enters one side of the piston at any one time?
How in the name of Westminster Abbey did the driver see where he was going ?
A very good question
did the UK ever have any automatic stokers?
Not that I’m aware of, but I may be wrong.
@@KevsTrains-- thanks.
@@lennyhendricks4628 No problem at all
I think only 3 of the BR Standard 9Fs had mechanical stokers with archimedean screws. They were not really effective/economical for british operating conditions.
Where can one apply for Special Effects Manager ?
NYMR 😂😂
I love the black fives.
They are a fantastic locomotive
Excellent video, thank you Considering that Crompton was helping , I cannot see why he needed that amount of steam pressure.
Thank you for your kind words
How do they get that fantastic finish on the loco, is it sprayed or brushed on?
Normally brushed on
@@KevsTrains Wow! True craftsmen. Thanks Kev.
@@stevemumbling7720 very welcome
I grew up going by steam train from Weymouth to Dorchester in Dorset every day so this was very nostalgic. But why is there also a diesel locomotive at the opposite end of the train?
If you watch the full video, you’ll see the diesel is simply to pull the set back into Grosmont on it return leg as there’s no time to allow for changing ends (running round) in the timetable.
There's time but not track, the train reverses mid section during santa operation, and pushing the coaches backwards is not permitted with passengers on. @@KevsTrains
@@MrDibbsey thank you, didn’t realise there was a loop where they stopped with the Santa specials 👍
There isn't a loop, thats my point. And because there isn't, you need a loco on the rear to draw the train back down the hill again.@@KevsTrains
@@MrDibbsey that’s what thought, that’s why I’ve said about having the loco on the rear for hauling back.
Finally, at 13:20, a view of the steam locomotive pulling the train. Also a rather disappointing start with the steam locomotive hidden in a cloud of steam. Pity!
All part of it 👍
@@KevsTrains Not so, some use of the ejectors when starting is good practice - lap and lead steam, not lap and lead water! But look at any original footage from BR steam days and this release was kept to a minimum. Poor fireman didn't want all his hard work vented!
My grandad was a driver at Polmadie depot and he told us how they were all trained and observed not to be exhausting smoke or steam unnecessarily.
Perhaps current drivers think it is atmospheric or romantic to have the loco enveloped in clouds of steam? But its certainly not good practice
@@055deltic I agree, I understand the need to clear water etc to protect cylinders, my dad was ex BR steam fireman and driver, maybe preservation railways do it to keep damage to a minimum due to repair costs.
My Father, arriving in England in 1949, said the trains looked like toys to him and he was there to work on the Deltic design team at Napier, from Canada. I see what he meant. Adorable. Probably would be a better look if the steam unit was at the front of the train....
Like toys maybe for a small island. But perfect presentation not many had the valves and pipes on show like NA loco,s they were also a lot faster than most with high speed lines from the 1930,s on. Did your DD leave any photos from his time with Napier.
Not really sure why the hype "Hellfire" and "Deafening" are used here - pretty standard sounds from the 'Five' - if anything rather muted compared to many performances I've witnessed.
Unfortunately the camera microphone muted the sound compared to what it actually was, hence the, as you say ‘hype’.
why the diesel on the back new safety thing?
It’s to haul the stock back to save running the steam loco round
Why all the steam at track level?
@@micealhome6363 drain cocks
What a beast!
Isn’t she just!!
Is this engine, Eric Tracy? I know it says Rudolph in the video, but it looks awfully familiar!
No, this is 44806 which has just completed overhaul and brought back into service.
@@KevsTrains thanks for the info
01:57 Did someone say "Dracarys"? 🤣
😂😂😂
travelling through England, Scotland, France, Switzerlandand Italy through the 50's 60's 70's None of the Engines DROWNED in Steam before Leaving, but now they Do ?
even at 12.35 - 14.18, makes you wonder who's editing ?
Only saw the LMSBLACK pull the Train a short distance.Then the Pusher took over, Why didnt the LMS go the whole distance.
When did this happen Peter, she was pulling all day yesterday up to the summit then the Class 25 pulling back from the summit to Grosmont.
The diesel may be assisting slightly because the steam locos has just returned from overhaul so reducing the load a bit so it runs in more gently.
Nice video, likes from me.
Many thanks 🙏
I spent hundreds of hours watching steam engines set off and there were never clouds of steam ejected ahead like this. Is it some new phenomena?
I don’t know why it’s done to be honest
It has become an unnecessary ritual across the UK - along with the infernal “dangling diesel” 👿
It's necessary to open the cylinder cocks, but the current trend seems to be to do so for far longer than actually required. I suppose that it is supposed to look "spectacular", but what actually happens is that it hides the locomotive at the time when it is working hardest and so would look quite spectacular anyway.
@@davidtalbot941
Thanks David, I suspected it was 'for show'. Agree, it does detract from overall effect.
I was told once it’s because they end up sat around for long periods of time. specially in colder weather (or like now where it was being pulled back by diesel) cylinders cool down a lot more then they would in normal service so water builds up a lot faster. Keeping them open longer heats it all back up again so no risk of water damaging anything.
Is the last "wagon" an asissting diesel?
Class 25 diesel loco on the rear, used for pulling the train back.
I'm sure that some drivers deliberately put that much steam out so that you can't video them!
It's pretentious. Happening too often lately.
"It's ALIVE! Mwah-hah-hah-haaaah!"😁
She is
She may have no face like in the RWS, but she is alive, all engines are.
It’s done to blow out any excessive water lifted over, which could threaten to blow off a cylinder cover, break a cylinder or bend a rod. HOWEVER, in steam days, I recollect that the cocks, which were open when the locomotive was standing for a while, were closed much sooner than is customary now.
Yes, left open for quite a long time now.
What's that, Mum? It's Rudolph the red-nosed train, dear.
Great for the kids 👍
@KevsTrains Absolutely. And for 71 year old kids like myself lol. Getting children interested in steam locomotives is so important for the future of these wonderful, living, breathing machines. I have loved steam since I was a very small boy.
Still use the semaphore over there I see.
Mainly on heritage lines, however a few mainlines do still have them.
Such a shame the green cupboard was growling on the rear!
Still nice to see them working though
Welcome back sleeping beauty
They have now banned blowing the whistles leaving grosmont witch is stupid really great vid btw
Why have they banned it?
@@KevsTrains people complaning that its too loud asked if i could blow the whistle he said he would have said yes if it werent for this new rule
@@Gary-cvr23 that is absolutely ridiculous
@@KevsTrains i know its sad too
In my younger days, Stanier 5MTs and 8Fs used to be "ten a penny," and we would barely give them a second glance unless it was a previously or rarely seen visitor. These days, I find that I go out of my way to see one. I know that the NER had a love of signalling and would erect one to cover just about any possible manoeuvre. But the NYMR seems to get a little carried away. 😊
The 5MT is probably my favourite steam loco along with the 9F.
@KevsTrains My favourites will remain the ones that I remember the best. The Thompson B1, K1, Gresley V2, and of course, the Robinson 2.8.0 variants were mainstays of my youth. I have particular affection for K1, no.62005, which was saved by the NELPG and a long-time NYMR resident. It was based at Leeds for many years, and so, I saw it regularly in the 60s.
She’s so powerful
She’s a beast
Oh wow they got Magpie back online quickly. Now Your Marriage is Ruined didn’t waste any time! Those men lived up to their name for sure! 😂😂😂😂 Nigel Harris will be happy it’s his favorite locomotive
Such a shame its not in LMS livery
There is another one there in LMS livery, if you watch my other videos you’ll see her working hard.
How is the engine-driver supposed to view signals ahead with that mass of steam obscuring his view !!!!!
The taps are closed after a short while, the driver knows where the signals are so will make sure they can be seen when neccesary.
@@MrDibbsey Yes, in this case the driver can cleary see the starter at Grosmont station and the taps will be closed approaching Deviation shed so the next signal will be perfectly visible.
I have notices how much drain cock clearing there is nowadays is that down to inexperienced drivers?
I’m not sure on that one
No, just care for old machines that we don't want to damage.
@@MrDibbsey I salute you Mr Dibbsey as one of the few commenjtors on here with a thinking head.
Right from the opening “Please mind the gap…”. When there was a real gap to mind.
Have I missed something?
@@KevsTrains Yes.
@@josephinebennington7247 what is it?
@@KevsTrains. Up to 0.05 the huge gap for passengers to cope with between platform and footstep! “Mind the Gap” is now a cynical joke phrase to many rail passengers.
@@josephinebennington7247 I’m with you now 😂😂
I have to chuckle at people who complain about a locomotive making a lot of steam as it passes by a throng of fans who have come out to see it run! This is no longer a "working" locomotive! There are no longer "pencil pusher" corporate accountants to throw a "hissy fit" about the waste of coal. This is now a "fan" locomotive, and "wasting" coal on producing extra steam to thrill the fans means more fans, more folks that will want to ride behind it, and more money in the coffers to keep it running. If you can't understand the philosophy behind keeping such a beautiful piece of machinery running, go talk to a young child who is watching, spellbound, as she rumbles by!❤😂
Absolutely fantastic words 👍👍
Oh the days when a train journey was a special event 😊
Hope BR number will be restored. I don't like visiting heritage railways and seeing engines with names and numbers that mean nothing to those who remember them from BR days. I believe that far more heritage railway visitors are drawn in when this is the case.
Smoke box door is displaying 44806 so I believe this will be what the cab sides display also.
It's just returned from overhaul so isn't fully painted. Either they planned to use it during the Christmas season like this or had to use it because another loco failed.
Shame the cab numbers were missing
Won’t be long till they’re back on
Nice video Kev very good camera work as usual I am really enjoying your lovely videos and camera work keep your lovely camera work up I am really looking forward to seeing your next video I hope you get a nice video next time also when is your next video going to be on UA-cam also a merry Christmas and a happy new year to you best wishes Philip xx
Thank you Philip, the next video will be later today, Merry Christmas and a happy new year too 🎉
Unnecessary taps open??
@@loco42041 that’s what many have said
I love the old steamers. Having the DE grab them around spoils the image.
I know what you mean
The diesel on the back is not there to annoy you, it is there as the Santa Special trains go from Grosmont to Fen Bog which lacks run round facilities. The simplest way to operate is to have a loco at each end of the train, steam loco pulls out, diesel loco takes the train back to Grosmont.
Great video, but suggest you don't 'pump' the zoom so much
Just trying to get the best shots, otherwise you’re looking at something in the distance 👍
Lovely sulzer engine note at the end .
Like the video, But what is very distracting, the wind on the mic, While I don''t know what your using to record this video, I suggest you get a dead cat on the mic aka wind sock, if it's cell phone, I suggest getting a camera like NX 500 yes and old but good camera with a boom mic, there are plenty at a good price similar to the NX series mirrorless cameras.
From this video it appears the diesel did most if the haulage. Presume 44806 stopped working. Shame. Love steam engines.
Steam hauled one way, diesel hauled back, 44806 worked perfectly all day.
@@KevsTrains Thanks for the explanation. I read that most steam pulled trains today, including the USA, are required to have a diesel back-up in case of breakdown.
@@malcolmabram2957 ah yes, that’s for mainline work, this line is a heritage line, preservation if you don’t know it,
@@KevsTrains Thank you.
@@malcolmabram2957 you’re welcome
Absolutely no need to keep the taps open for that length of time. Any steam that had evaporated would be long gone in second.
I think everyone is in agreement with that
04:02 A diesel pushing the train? No wonder they blew down the tanks leaving the station, they didn't NEED any steam since it's a non-functional steamer!
Diesel isn’t pushing.
@@KevsTrains Not being towed, can hear generators ticking over & generating power. If not for motive power, why is it there?
@@LordDustinDeWynd To bring the train back from Fen Bog. The steam loco pulls the train on the outward leg, the diesel pulls the train back to Grosmont.
@@bassetdad437 The steamer is unable to run backwards? Bummer. No wonder it's not still being used.
I only saw the diesel😢
Watch the full video
Why the masses of steam? It isn’t necessary, it has become a fad!😳
It was necessary and not a fad. That loco was not warmed through and had condensate in its steam circuit. To clear the condensate the loco has to move with the drain cocks open. By the time it got to the other end of the tunnel the condensate was cleared out and the cocks closed.
I fully understand that. I have driven steam in service but nowadays it is frequently both unnecessary and/or excessive.
Just look around 4896 on here, it is blowing off for several minutes completely wasting steam. Incompetent firing failing to anticipate what is needed.
Seemed to be losing a lot of steam there.
Yeah, a rather large blow off.
Why do drivers seem to use the cylinder cocks so much nowadays? They didn't keep them open for so long until fairly recently. I wonder if it is the retirement of the older generation of drivers retiring that has caused the change? A few seconds should be all that is required to clear the cylinders..
They should remember they are in the entertainment industry and hiding the engine behind clouds of steam deprives the viewing/paying public.
Apparently it’s due to less maintenance than in BR days so it’s for protecting the cylinders as much as possible.
My last steam-hauled trip on British Rail was Wolverhampton Central to Blackpool on a day trip in 1963. My young memory gives me a 4-6-0 and my adult knowledge says the size indicates a 5F, but I guess it could have been a 4F/4P. The run home was behind a diesel (Deltic?). I was NOT amused 😆
But what great memories non the less.
Sorry to be pedantic, but station would be Wolverhampton High Level and the diesel would be a Class 40. That was my era.!
@@philipbradshaw4050 Thank you!
The Black 5 is a mixed traffic engine and. would generally have just a 5 or 5MT On the cab side,
I'm sorry to have to tell you, but Black Fives whilst, no doubt, splendid examples of steam powered locomotives are quaint, old-fashioned and awfully inefficient. There are such things as Electric Locomotives and Electric Multiple Units which can easily outpace any steam locomotive with none of the noise, painfully slow acceleration, and dust-laden fumes associated with them. I would far sooner see a BLS Re465 in action any steam engine.
Nooooo, you can’t say that, steam engines have personality characteristics and all round beautiful, I agree some ‘diesel’ locomotives are fantastic too.
I have to say, I don't think the steam crew were doing a very good job managing the pressure. I've never seen steam blown off to that extent even on a first start! On the second start, with the safety blowing, they really seem to be stuggling!
Not the action of a driver in the days of steam, unless a primer or a boiler too full.
It was. In BR days they were able to clear out condensate between coming off shed and reaching the station. At Grosmont there is only 1/4 mile to do it.
Wind noise
That’s what happens when windy and recording on a phone as I don’t have a muffed mic
Seems to be a lot of wasted steam there.
Just a small amount 😂
What a shambles when it first set off, never would you see a steam engine set off like that in British rail days, and if you did the crew would probably be told never to do that again.
I agree, it seems to be common place in preservation these days to blow off loads of steam.
In BR days a loco setting off with its train would have travelled some distance from shed to station travelling with cocks open to clear condensation out. At Grosmont the shed is 1/4 mile from the station so to avoid hydraulic damage a cold engine needs to travel some distance with the cocks open or suffer damage.
Stop monkeying about with the zoom lense!
Excuse me?
What stupid design that pushes steam ahead and blocks view. Long live electric trains.
Incorrect view, the diesel engine on back is there to haul the stock back into Grosmont from its turning point. Both locomotives have radio communications with each other.
an unnecessary display of steam that ruined any photographers and video-ists day out. That driver should be reported for dangerous driving
What a shame when steam engine drivers blow off so much steam as they leave. Makes it impossible to see the loco..and lord knows how the driver sees where the train is going or what obstruction might be in front of him/her/it/they/them/ze/zie/zim/zieself/etc/etc
Steam condenses into water in the cylinders and water doesn’t compress. If you don’t open the cylinder cocks and provide a way for the water escape, the front of the cylinder will blow off,
@@Gokiburi777- Bah! Details, details... 😁
Yes it's a unfortunate necessity to bleed off some steam but it became common practice through hard learned experience
It only happened with the first deparure of the day to avoid hydraulic damage, the later departures had the loco thoroughly warmed through so the drain cocks were not needed to be open. The signal at Grosmont station allows the train to proceed and the next signal as near Deviation shed by then the drain cocks will be closed,
Preventing a burst cylinder or blown off end cover is such a drag isnt it 😂
Worst sound ever.
What is?
16552 Stiedemann Brook
@@CongreveMelissa I don’t understand.