Stopped watching when you put phase on blue wire. Doing this in a "training" video? Because being lazy to use proper wires? OMG! This thing is illegal in many countries and electricians who do this can lose their license.
@@risharehraje793 What are you talking about? Wire is wire and the color of cladding means nothing. There are no requirements to use a specific colored wire for a specific purpose as long as they are identified with colored tape or labels. I don’t know why people like you have been de-educated. It{s as if your brain is trained prioritize things in the opposite direction of common sense. You type of people just want to say things; it doesn’t matter if you know what you’re saying or not. You’re so desperate to attack this video that you pick something utterly preposterous such as the color of cladding around the wire. I just don’t get it why are people so dumb? I bet you would be horrified to know that I ran 12/3 throughout my house, whether I needed 220 or not. I even ran it for 15 amp circuits. Now you had better go and sit down and take a few deep breath‘s because I know you are about to explode.
7 seconds to reconnect each switch excluding walking time. Its a pity they don't make a range with pendants, two gang switches or switches that look traditional
Apart from the convenience & labour saved... these kinetic devices can save a LOT of copper, an increasingly expensive material... Good man Gary ! 😎👍☘🍺
TWO YEARS ON REVIEW - I have had a range of wireless switch products from Quinetic such as inlines tucked into my ceiling for downlighters. Everything is still working as it should with the exception of the 13A socket adaptors (non wifi). Out of the 7 originally purchased I have had to replace 4 under warranty. They are temperamental too - loosing power to the socket and re-energising in quick succession completely confuses them. Probably our biggest fault with the 13A socket switches is the high pitch squeel they emit when not turned on. All reports to the manufacturer were dismissed and simply requested that I continue to exchange these at a TLC branch. Shame as the other products are spot on. Forgot to add - great content, thanks GSH
@@fivish oh definitely a gimmick but all good ideas start off as a novelty. I live in an old (I'm in talking British old) house. The effort of routing the cable for a switch is ridiculous!
Imagine a loft conversion where the two way light switches were located (a) halfway up the stairs and (b) on the wall facing, & six feet away from, the top of the stairs.... that was the situation I wanted to correct. 24 hours ago I watched your video, then ordered a receiver switch QURS1W to replace the existing (a = halfway) switch, plus two QUWS1W = one each for the newel posts top & bottom of the flight. They arrived from TLC today and an hour later we have full and sensible control of our stair lighting for the first time..... A MASSIVE THANK YOU and thumbs up!!👍👍👍
The cable is the Ariel. The electrical field of the cable. Remember when television ran off the light fittings. Used to plug in the television to the ceiling. Practically tuned into the frequency on the cable. 👍
You are all so good at what you do. Wish I had tutors like you when I was learning. Not like they were bad. But they didn’t have technology on their side. But even putting that aside you are a different class. It would be a pleasure to be taught by someone who cares as much as yourself
I am thinking of getting some of these switches, they look nice and do have an advantage over wired switches especially in rented homes , as you can’t even hang a picture on the wall without the landlords permission, and wren you move you just take the switches with you and put the old one back in . 👍 Great video Gaz as always 👍👍❤️
Just installed this to control my upstairs light from downstairs as I couldn’t get my light switch to switch on from down to up. Saved me calling out a sparky. Worked a treat.
Very useful indeed!!! My wife is always complaining that one of our 3 way switches is in the wrong place and that we actually need 4 way!!! Hummmmmm. I feel a project ;-)
The technology is there but convincing old fashioned bosses to move with the times is so frustrating. I constantly experiment with new products on private work and this is the first time I've seen this version of the technology. Thanks for the video I'll definitely be giving these a try sometime soon they look absolutely fantastic. No lifting carpet, no floorboards or chasing. Saves hours of fun and games. It's refreshing for college lecturer's to be keeping up with the times and even the future. Most just want to tell you about the good old days. Keep up the excellent work. 👍
As someone wh swapped all the doors in my house to save space so that they open twoards the wall, I have blocked direct access to my light switches, being a lazy git I never changed them, these are a game changer!!
So, without any explanation of the method of operation of the 'kinetic switch' - We assume a piezo crystal is energised by the kinetic action of physically pressing the switch button, which in turn provides enough current to perhaps charge a capacitor which in turn, acts as a temporary current source for the RFI transmitter (?) Ingenious.
Quinetic brilliant products, I use their wireless key fob for switching on driveway lights at night from the car, & their slim LED floodlights are rather good,having a built in receiver.
I'm not an electrician, not planning on being one and not doing any work...so not sure why I'm here, but what a great video - this guy's got a great presentation style. Clear and succint. Actually, I say I'm not doing any work - I'm doing a new build next year and one of the dilemmas is in future proofing the wires. In my last two homes I used Lutron-style systems, both of which became obsolete/superceded. The future is likely wireless (Lora, Zigbee, BLE etc.) so I'm thinking that L&N wiring to all sockets is likely to provide the best future proofing as many devices do need power. Kinetic switches; not sure I like that mechanism...looks a bit flimsy and I'd want steel plates (maybe that's an option). Oh, 1998 called and wants their CFL bulb back :-)
I have had this system for decades now. It is really very flexible. I went with what Home Easy was making back then (defunct now). It all still works. We can switch outside lights on from our bedroom. I used their system to put a new light in the bathroom. The lighting module in the light fitting does not require any wiring from the light to any switch. This allowed me to put the light switch in the bathroom rather than the usual position outside the bathroom door. The remote kept in in our car will switch on the driveway lights at night. Signal controlled lighting should be the new norm. It is so much safer because there is no need for live/mains wiring to a switch.
What sort of range does it get for outside lights. My driveway lights will end up being 20 metres or so from my house and I figured these are the best solution rather than wiring it back with a traditional switch
I like the mechanism on how to functioning the switches, just like the bluetooth pairing. Thank you for sharing the device and it will be easy to install and no cables for installation. I really appreciate as electrician here in the Philippines
My neighbour had a new door bell fitted with one that uses this technology. We live very close to the seafront and the salt air corrodes traditional bell push contacts in no time. This system of course has no electrical contacts to corrode away.
I think these are a real game changer. The installation and user advantages are compelling (and I have installed a few of the predecessor range) but the inbuilt switch unit you have shown is brilliant. My only residual concern is one of reliability in the long term.
The other concern with any product that doesn't need a neutral is compatibility. The receiver is presumably powered by allowing a small current to leak through the load when off which can cause problems with LED lighting.
Yes in oz we have ceiling fans that have light aswell as fan control, rather than run a single switch cablee we just get a remote with reciever so light and fan are both controlled with remote. So no switchwires needed. Just a perm feed at cieling fan. Can also use the remote and reciever for anything, downlights, extract fans....no switch cables needed or chasing walls
Already available, and you can retro fit a light fitting (albeit, has to be of suitable size in dimensions) to insert a wireless receiver. No more switch wires 👍
Thinking will be great for the shed, garage or garden office, you can switch the light on from the house before you go out, no fumbling about in the dark until your inside.
This is magic. Now if only can be remote and pair with Alexa or Google so you have remote voice control as well as manual. I'm liking as many of this type requires neutral line. Which is impossible in older buildings without completely rewiring.
I would like to reinforce what Teslacoiler said. It is critical to differentiate the receiver from the transmitter. Quinetic themselves are not very clear in some of their material. Even in this excellent video, when the gridswitch compatible version was shown it was not clear if it is a receiver or a transmitter. My local supplier (who claims to be a Quinetic specialist) said with emphasis that there is NO gridswitch compatible receiver, only a transmitter. Any comments welcome!
All of the Quinetic range is "push-on, push-off", i.e. each press changes the current state. This is fine for a lot of applications, but I think they're missing a trick by not having an on-off variant which can force an "on" condition or an "off" condition. If for example you can't see what you're trying to control, then toggling the state is useless - you want it on, or you want it off. Another scenario is a set of e.g. 5 lights in one room, each with their own receiver, controlled from one switch. If one receiver misses a switch operation for any reason, this will be in a different state to the rest. There is then no way to turn them all on or all off - the rogue one will do the opposite of the rest.
This is magical! I've delt with so many clients trying to add switching into existing structures and have had to resort to cutting walls or do surface trunking (which I really don't like). This is a game changer! Question: If you want to withdraw one of the paired switches from the mechanism, what do you do?
I thought you were turning into Tommy Cooper at the end " Key fob switch switch switch key fob". On a serious note, I think these are a great idea. I have 4 or 5 applications at home where this will save me a lot of aggro and I'll be able to do a couple of wiring jobs that I've put off because of the hassle of extra cable runs etc. Plus the time saving factor is potentially huge. Great video, well explained.
Only big problem I have found with these is if you link multiple receivers that are on different circuits. (I.e. lighting through staircase where original wiring is separated by floor) to be controlled via one switch that if an MCB trips the driver does not remember the position it was in, in relation to the switch so it can come out of sync with the other lights very easily. Meaning you have to turn off every circuit relating to all drivers the switch is controlling, then turn them all back on to have all the lights coming on and off in sync. Apart from that great bit of kit, lifetime could do with some work in comparison to other ranges out there but compatibility with existing switches/grid switches is very handy.
I fitted something similar, the main switch leeches power via the bulb/load. The remote has a mini 12v battery with a huge range. The remote can operate up to four different lights/loads. The switch has a glass front with a glowing circle in the middle, indicating Orange when lit and glows Blue in the dark.
Many years ago I had an idea to use the crumbly old switch wires in the wall as an aerial for a touch switch. All the lighting ring main and the touch switches were in the ceiling. The plan was to not disturb the wallpaper - one of many reasons why lighting rewires are delayed for too long. These days I think it would be so easy to use radio links so all the 220V is in the ceiling and the room switch would be a remote. *with a handy wall holster near the door. Back in the day ye olde spakies taught apprentices how to tear wallpaper in a rough zig zag, cut the plaster channel, rewire and plaster up. The ripped - rather than cut - wallpaper was pasted back leaving no sign of any work. They don't teach you that in college either!
This system also has separate receivers which can be in the ceiling. That way all switches can be wireless. I think the combined switch and receiver is for an easy retro fit.
@@nick_7869 Well, this idea caused quite a few comments in a blog that I stumbled across recently. None of the naysayers, though, could say objectively or with reference to regulations, why dispensing with the switch wire entirely would be wrong. In this day and age, surely the switch wire is an anachronism. Quinetic are not the only people making RF receivers that can be mounted within the ceiling, thus allowing total flexibility for switch positioning. Looking at their product range, it looks as though Quinetic may be the only ones making a remote RF switch with dimming functionality.
@@maijo2597 Absolutely no reason for switch wires. Many systems switches only tell the control unit that it needs to turn something on or off. We've got used to this in our large buildings and even our cars. Simple methods like this should be great for homes. Want some downlights? Wire in the control and pair up a switch.
watching random videos on youtube and came across this. I think its very cool. would be good to dissect one of those paired items just to see whats inside.
Thank you for your tutorials. I think there already are electric installations that can be remotely controlled over the internet. Can you do a tutorial about that?
Sure wish I had you for a teacher when I was in school (I like your passion and teaching method). Of course, then we would be at a disadvantage - I'd have to get used to your accent (I'm in the U.S.A.) and you would have to get used to our systems and gazillion pages of of codes. LOL Keep up the great work!!!!
Seems to be a more fancy updated version of switches that I used way back in 2006 in my detached koi pond house. Rather than get involved with mains wiring (and its safety implications in a wet environment) I simply put the switches up, set them up as required, wired the lights direct via the remote control unit and it was, let there be light.They were wireless operated switches powered by a small battery and worked very well. It even came with a remote so I could switch the lights on from the house.
These have no battery - they use the physical force of someone operating the switch to generate the required power. So no need to change batteries / risk switches going dead.
Looks great, but I've got a couple of questions - I'm an electronic (not electrical) Engineer by profession, and I understand that the master switch overcomes the lack of a power supply, i.e. live and neutral, by using a capacitor. I've read some reviews of similar products and a lot of folk say that there can be problems, e.g. if not used for a while the capacitor can discharge and therefore no power to the switch until it's switched on, and there can be intermittent flashing of the connected lamps. Really keen to get some of these in my home, so would really welcome any input from the professional electricians. Thanks
As a qualified electrical and electronic engineer I am not convinced that this expensive bit of kit is a realistic alternative to wiring it properly to BS 7671:2018. PS: The switch will have L (direct)and N (via the bulb). A LED bulb may not provide a sufficiently low resistance to power the electronic device or the bulb may flicker or glow dimly. Hence a proper neutral is needed.
The solution is quite simple: If you add one (or more) diode in series with the bulb you will have a voltage drop equal to the Vf of the diode (or equal to the Vf times the number of diodes if you have more of them in series); more important thing, the voltage drop remains almost the same if you increase or decrease the load. Of course, if you place one diode in series with the lamp you will also rectify the mains voltage; in order to avoid this issue, you shall add another diode in parallel of the first one (wired in reverse) to allow the transfer the entire cycle to the loads. You cannot drain too much power using this solution, but is definitely enough to drive a very low power wireless device (couple it with a very low power bistable relay and a big capacitor and you are ALMOST done). ALMOST because you also need some kind of AC-DC converter capable to run with a bulb in series also to power the device when the lamp is OFF!. Unfortunately these things are usually incompatible with LED bulbs (but you can still use a resistor in parallel with the bulb to overcome the problem).
@@teslacoiler I'm pretty sure you just wayyyy overthunk that one LMAO. They use the same technology as the shake flashlight to create a volt through the little remote switch in order to send an on or off signal to the main switch, which is just a relay that makes or breaks the line.
@@fivish it's wired properly, they have a little 413 Mhz switch in the remote switch that acts like your garage door opener and it's powered by a little magnet in a relay like one of those flashlights that you shake. All it needs is a volt or less for just a second to send an on or off signal based on sideband frequencies of the 413 Mhz, just like a multi remote switch. The main switch is just for making or breaking the line and the runner that goes to the light with a relay, the neutral will be tied in elsewhere, and since it's a plastic box you just tie the grounds.
I noticed the clicking sound and it reminds me of the remote controls for televisions in the 1960s - early 1970s. They had no batteries, just buttons that made a fairly loud clicking sound. (That's where the term "clicker" originated.) I never studied that technology because when I started learning electronics/D/C theory, transistors were just starting to replace vacuum tubes, TI had just begun to sell electronic calculators and LED watches. My first teacher was pretty smart. He said it wouldn't be long before TV repair would no longer require tracing the problem down to a component. Instead, we would simply replace an entire plug-in PCB. It seems strange that now, in this digital age, the [not really] new technology is reverting back to the kinetic "clicker."
@@sined726 Yeah! You know, I have a butane soldering iron that sounds the same. One day as I clicked to light it, my LED A-lamp (regular light bulb shape) in my work light flickered. So I clicked it again. Every time I clicked that igniter, my bulb flickered, and I hate to admit it, but I don't know why.
They should make a tiny little hub you can install behind an existing switch, then you can have five other switches around the house controlling the main switch (providing the main switch is always left turned on).
Powered by pressing it. Just like the exploder that comes with your claymore. Perhaps I'm a bit too paranoid when it comes to this, but hard wired switches don't have any vulnerability to RF noise (unless your county eats a soviet/chinese nuke, in which case I would suggest the client has bigger problems to worry about), whereas the frequency these things use, is it reserved solely for these things or can other devices jam the operating frequency? There's also the possibility some nob will stick a pirate radio station on that frequency (although in the age of internet streaming, that's probably less of an issue than it used to be).
Paranoid is only paranoid until it happens. These run at 433MHz which is unlicensed - anyone can use subject to conditions like power output. They shouldn't be vulnerable to noise causing nuisance switching as they will need to receive a specific code but they could be unusable if there is enough interference at higher power drowning out their signal. I would also assume - based on many other implementations (X10, ARC, AC etc) - that there is no real security here. Anyone could listen to the signal and repeat it to be a nuisance. That's certainly the case with what I have deployed. That said, I've not experience that issue even once in the better part of a decade. Range is a limiting factor to an attack but I can certainly 'hear' the odd device belonging to a neighbour now and again. I have the kit (my home automation) to receive that and retransmit it at will.....but fortunately I'm not like that. Point being, don't stick these things on anything that would cause a disaster were it misused.
This is a brilliant solution!! Do they do a 2 channel receiver, to switch 2 separate lamps? Also do they do a slimmer receiver that could be put into a ceiling void, through a ceiling downlight hole???
That would work in a factory setting or in any application where you want a light to just come on and off. But all the custom homes I do , everything is on a dimmer. We use lighting control systems. Cool technology but not where you need serious lighting controls. Kinda seems gimmickie. But cool. Good job.
This is cool. Wonder if they will ever bring something like this over to US/Canada. This has to be cheaper than paying for a 3 way switch's and fishing lines two them.
Brilliant love the power free switches however the receiver must be using some power to listen. Yet another energy vampire and like most electronic things it will probably fail or burst into flames in a few years. Ill stick with wires that switch things entirely off thanks.
Fantastic demonstration. What happens if one of the switches go bad and you can't get a replacement as new technology switches are coming on board everyday,?
i have used these (from china) and found that unless you have a 15W CFL I had issues with the transmitter. Needing a X2 cap across the light (which is terrible) They need a return path to neutral which is fine when the switch is off but not when the switch is on. I ended up with kinetic switches with the control switch above the rose. If these work perfect with a 5W Led type then that is a good improvement
Thanks for the content. My electrician says installing a wire remains best practice, so these replacement switches with kinetic receivers are great all round as they give all the advantages of hard writing with all the opportunities of wireless... A question though: why is UA-cam flooded with Quinetic brand and the others don't seem to be getting traction, even though on the face of it the ranges seem quite similar?
Like the look of this as I have a switch behind a door. However my lighting is not wired with switch live I.e. all neutrals are connected together behind the switch. Could this be used on this type of wiring method?
Still using CFL bulbs? This switch is just a remote controll and an expensive one. The Quinetic Receiver is £32.50 and dumb switches are £18.75. Can buy a wifi enabled led bulb for £5-£8 and switch it on/off from your phone or Alexa.
I don’t like modern technology 😂 , but this is a fantastic idea Until they pack up and then you have to spend more money to replace them , talking of money how much are they I might have to give them to try , ? Maybe. Fantastic video as always Gaz 👍👍👍❤️
Quinetic Wireless Switch & Built in-line Receiver - What Happens when the Power goes OFF & Unpairing ua-cam.com/video/rDrqvBorTGI/v-deo.html
Stopped watching when you put phase on blue wire. Doing this in a "training" video? Because being lazy to use proper wires? OMG! This thing is illegal in many countries and electricians who do this can lose their license.
@@risharehraje793 What are you talking about? Wire is wire and the color of cladding means nothing. There are no requirements to use a specific colored wire for a specific purpose as long as they are identified with colored tape or labels. I don’t know why people like you have been de-educated. It{s as if your brain is trained prioritize things in the opposite direction of common sense. You type of people just want to say things; it doesn’t matter if you know what you’re saying or not. You’re so desperate to attack this video that you pick something utterly preposterous such as the color of cladding around the wire. I just don’t get it why are people so dumb? I bet you would be horrified to know that I ran 12/3 throughout my house, whether I needed 220 or not. I even ran it for 15 amp circuits. Now you had better go and sit down and take a few deep breath‘s because I know you are about to explode.
@@risharehraje793 mate as we say in the UK.... you aint gotta scooby doo ave' ya
7 seconds to reconnect each switch excluding walking time. Its a pity they don't make a range with pendants, two gang switches or switches that look traditional
@@jamesharrison3537 My thoughts exactly. Put the technology in a ceiling rose!
Apart from the convenience & labour saved... these kinetic devices can save a LOT of copper, an increasingly expensive material...
Good man Gary !
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Thanks Peter for the wonderful comment 👍🏻
I've seen these on other channels before, not really considered them but am now seeing how they'd save me a lot of redecorating!
Thanks for commenting and watching
TWO YEARS ON REVIEW - I have had a range of wireless switch products from Quinetic such as inlines tucked into my ceiling for downlighters. Everything is still working as it should with the exception of the 13A socket adaptors (non wifi). Out of the 7 originally purchased I have had to replace 4 under warranty. They are temperamental too - loosing power to the socket and re-energising in quick succession completely confuses them. Probably our biggest fault with the 13A socket switches is the high pitch squeel they emit when not turned on. All reports to the manufacturer were dismissed and simply requested that I continue to exchange these at a TLC branch. Shame as the other products are spot on.
Forgot to add - great content, thanks GSH
Massive thanks for your valuable input 👍🏻
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Saves a lot of time and upheaval. Switch and receiver in one unit is ideal.
Great point 👍🏻
Every once in a while a product will come on the market that changes the game. This is that product!
I'm blown away! Absolutely brilliant!
Glad you liked it… 👍🏻
Hardly a game changer more an expensive gimick.
@@fivish oh definitely a gimmick but all good ideas start off as a novelty.
I live in an old (I'm in talking British old) house. The effort of routing the cable for a switch is ridiculous!
2 years later, never changed
As a retired electrician I find your videos fantastic wish we had these when I did my city and guilds.
Thanks David 👍🏻
Thank you for your sharing, good to know this new technology, your videos fantastic.
Imagine a loft conversion where the two way light switches were located (a) halfway up the stairs and (b) on the wall facing, & six feet away from, the top of the stairs.... that was the situation I wanted to correct.
24 hours ago I watched your video, then ordered a receiver switch QURS1W to replace the existing (a = halfway) switch, plus two QUWS1W = one each for the newel posts top & bottom of the flight. They arrived from TLC today and an hour later we have full and sensible control of our stair lighting for the first time..... A MASSIVE THANK YOU and thumbs up!!👍👍👍
Wow this is the best application of RFID i have ever seen ? Well done mate !
would be good if the receiver was fitted into the ceiling rose, with a pairing button on it. Then no need for any switches to be hardwired.
Maybe that's next
There is one already
Ewelink 😉 used them for years with Alexa. Default power on state-on. So if on but Alexa off turn off switch to turn on
Yeah that’s how it should be really
Yeah that was my idea all down the years I retired
The cable is the Ariel. The electrical field of the cable. Remember when television ran off the light fittings. Used to plug in the television to the ceiling. Practically tuned into the frequency on the cable. 👍
You are all so good at what you do. Wish I had tutors like you when I was learning. Not like they were bad. But they didn’t have technology on their side. But even putting that aside you are a different class. It would be a pleasure to be taught by someone who cares as much as yourself
Joe massive thanks for the kind words it’s very much appreciated 👍🏻
@George AKA Dad In the US, it's indoctrination.
I am thinking of getting some of these switches, they look nice and do have an advantage over wired switches especially in rented homes , as you can’t even hang a picture on the wall without the landlords permission, and wren you move you just take the switches with you and put the old one back in . 👍
Great video Gaz as always 👍👍❤️
These switches are life savers! So many grade 2 buildings we have used them in
Thanks for your input 👍🏻
Just installed this to control my upstairs light from downstairs as I couldn’t get my light switch to switch on from down to up. Saved me calling out a sparky. Worked a treat.
Never knew these existed, what a fantastic use of technology. Thinking garden or remote lighting operation with correct IP rating. Excellent
Very useful indeed!!! My wife is always complaining that one of our 3 way switches is in the wrong place and that we actually need 4 way!!! Hummmmmm. I feel a project ;-)
The technology is there but convincing old fashioned bosses to move with the times is so frustrating. I constantly experiment with new products on private work and this is the first time I've seen this version of the technology. Thanks for the video I'll definitely be giving these a try sometime soon they look absolutely fantastic. No lifting carpet, no floorboards or chasing. Saves hours of fun and games. It's refreshing for college lecturer's to be keeping up with the times and even the future. Most just want to tell you about the good old days. Keep up the excellent work. 👍
Thanks for the great message 👍🏻
It's actually same as what electric lighters use ,piezo crystal
Quinetic is brilliant it’s an absolute life saver on old houses and rewires where they wanna keep the aftermath minimal
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As someone wh swapped all the doors in my house to save space so that they open twoards the wall, I have blocked direct access to my light switches, being a lazy git I never changed them, these are a game changer!!
So, without any explanation of the method of operation of the 'kinetic switch' - We assume a piezo crystal is energised by the kinetic action of physically pressing the switch button, which in turn provides enough current to perhaps charge a capacitor which in turn, acts as a temporary current source for the RFI transmitter (?) Ingenious.
Quinetic brilliant products, I use their wireless key fob for switching on driveway lights at night from the car, & their slim LED floodlights are rather good,having a built in receiver.
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Ideal, for older, solid wall properties.
Sure is 👍🏻
I'm not an electrician, not planning on being one and not doing any work...so not sure why I'm here, but what a great video - this guy's got a great presentation style. Clear and succint. Actually, I say I'm not doing any work - I'm doing a new build next year and one of the dilemmas is in future proofing the wires. In my last two homes I used Lutron-style systems, both of which became obsolete/superceded. The future is likely wireless (Lora, Zigbee, BLE etc.) so I'm thinking that L&N wiring to all sockets is likely to provide the best future proofing as many devices do need power. Kinetic switches; not sure I like that mechanism...looks a bit flimsy and I'd want steel plates (maybe that's an option). Oh, 1998 called and wants their CFL bulb back :-)
at last, a simple explanation of how they work, thank you
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I have had this system for decades now.
It is really very flexible.
I went with what Home Easy was making back then (defunct now).
It all still works. We can switch outside lights on from our bedroom.
I used their system to put a new light in the bathroom. The lighting module in the light fitting does not require any wiring from the light to any switch. This allowed me to put the light switch in the bathroom rather than the usual position outside the bathroom door.
The remote kept in in our car will switch on the driveway lights at night.
Signal controlled lighting should be the new norm. It is so much safer because there is no need for live/mains wiring to a switch.
What sort of range does it get for outside lights. My driveway lights will end up being 20 metres or so from my house and I figured these are the best solution rather than wiring it back with a traditional switch
handy bit of kit if you have a shared neutral issue on landing lights that you don't want to rewire /damage decor.
I like the mechanism on how to functioning the switches, just like the bluetooth pairing. Thank you for sharing the device and it will be easy to install and no cables for installation. I really appreciate as electrician here in the Philippines
I dont know how I ended here but inhad to watch till the end because its so interesting 👍
Thanks 👍🏻
My neighbour had a new door bell fitted with one that uses this technology. We live very close to the seafront and the salt air corrodes traditional bell push contacts in no time. This system of course has no electrical contacts to corrode away.
excellent bit of kit but limited on the decorative finishes, come quinectic, sort it out
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I think these are a real game changer. The installation and user advantages are compelling (and I have installed a few of the predecessor range) but the inbuilt switch unit you have shown is brilliant. My only residual concern is one of reliability in the long term.
The other concern with any product that doesn't need a neutral is compatibility. The receiver is presumably powered by allowing a small current to leak through the load when off which can cause problems with LED lighting.
Let go one step further, have a receiver in the ceiling rose. And just have the one power cable to the rose bulb, lamp light.
Yes in oz we have ceiling fans that have light aswell as fan control, rather than run a single switch cablee we just get a remote with reciever so light and fan are both controlled with remote. So no switchwires needed. Just a perm feed at cieling fan. Can also use the remote and reciever for anything, downlights, extract fans....no switch cables needed or chasing walls
Already available, and you can retro fit a light fitting (albeit, has to be of suitable size in dimensions) to insert a wireless receiver. No more switch wires 👍
Used a few of these saved a lot of time and trouble
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Thinking will be great for the shed, garage or garden office, you can switch the light on from the house before you go out, no fumbling about in the dark until your inside.
get yourself a sensor you wire in next to rose for shed etc
This is magic. Now if only can be remote and pair with Alexa or Google so you have remote voice control as well as manual. I'm liking as many of this type requires neutral line. Which is impossible in older buildings without completely rewiring.
I would like to reinforce what Teslacoiler said. It is critical to differentiate the receiver from the transmitter. Quinetic themselves are not very clear in some of their material. Even in this excellent video, when the gridswitch compatible version was shown it was not clear if it is a receiver or a transmitter. My local supplier (who claims to be a Quinetic specialist) said with emphasis that there is NO gridswitch compatible receiver, only a transmitter. Any comments welcome!
Wonderful ideas for this system, thanks for bringing light to it, I had not heard anything about this as of end of 2021.
Nice one - I built in my lab something similar to that back in 2007 but I did not commercialize it.
I have various of these all over my house. They’re great, particularly for the bathroom.
All of the Quinetic range is "push-on, push-off", i.e. each press changes the current state. This is fine for a lot of applications, but I think they're missing a trick by not having an on-off variant which can force an "on" condition or an "off" condition.
If for example you can't see what you're trying to control, then toggling the state is useless - you want it on, or you want it off.
Another scenario is a set of e.g. 5 lights in one room, each with their own receiver, controlled from one switch. If one receiver misses a switch operation for any reason, this will be in a different state to the rest. There is then no way to turn them all on or all off - the rogue one will do the opposite of the rest.
This is magical!
I've delt with so many clients trying to add switching into existing structures and have had to resort to cutting walls or do surface trunking (which I really don't like). This is a game changer!
Question: If you want to withdraw one of the paired switches from the mechanism, what do you do?
you turn off the receiver i think
because it doesn't have a memory
@@rain0aldwaib Oh Dear. So that means I have to reprogramme at every power failure? (LoadShedding for 2 hours, three times a day...)
I thought you were turning into Tommy Cooper at the end " Key fob switch switch switch key fob". On a serious note, I think these are a great idea. I have 4 or 5 applications at home where this will save me a lot of aggro and I'll be able to do a couple of wiring jobs that I've put off because of the hassle of extra cable runs etc. Plus the time saving factor is potentially huge. Great video, well explained.
Only big problem I have found with these is if you link multiple receivers that are on different circuits. (I.e. lighting through staircase where original wiring is separated by floor) to be controlled via one switch that if an MCB trips the driver does not remember the position it was in, in relation to the switch so it can come out of sync with the other lights very easily. Meaning you have to turn off every circuit relating to all drivers the switch is controlling, then turn them all back on to have all the lights coming on and off in sync.
Apart from that great bit of kit, lifetime could do with some work in comparison to other ranges out there but compatibility with existing switches/grid switches is very handy.
I fitted something similar, the main switch leeches power via the bulb/load. The remote has a mini 12v battery with a huge range. The remote can operate up to four different lights/loads.
The switch has a glass front with a glowing circle in the middle, indicating Orange when lit and glows Blue in the dark.
Thank you GSH electrical , I really loved this innovation . Looking forward to have one in my house .
Many years ago I had an idea to use the crumbly old switch wires in the wall as an aerial for a touch switch.
All the lighting ring main and the touch switches were in the ceiling. The plan was to not disturb the wallpaper - one of many reasons why lighting rewires are delayed for too long.
These days I think it would be so easy to use radio links so all the 220V is in the ceiling and the room switch would be a remote. *with a handy wall holster near the door.
Back in the day ye olde spakies taught apprentices how to tear wallpaper in a rough zig zag, cut the plaster channel, rewire and plaster up. The ripped - rather than cut - wallpaper was pasted back leaving no sign of any work. They don't teach you that in college either!
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Now that would be an interesting video!
This system also has separate receivers which can be in the ceiling. That way all switches can be wireless. I think the combined switch and receiver is for an easy retro fit.
@@nick_7869 Well, this idea caused quite a few comments in a blog that I stumbled across recently. None of the naysayers, though, could say objectively or with reference to regulations, why dispensing with the switch wire entirely would be wrong. In this day and age, surely the switch wire is an anachronism. Quinetic are not the only people making RF receivers that can be mounted within the ceiling, thus allowing total flexibility for switch positioning. Looking at their product range, it looks as though Quinetic may be the only ones making a remote RF switch with dimming functionality.
@@maijo2597 Absolutely no reason for switch wires. Many systems switches only tell the control unit that it needs to turn something on or off. We've got used to this in our large buildings and even our cars. Simple methods like this should be great for homes. Want some downlights? Wire in the control and pair up a switch.
watching random videos on youtube and came across this. I think its very cool. would be good to dissect one of those paired items just to see whats inside.
Realised Kinetic energy Practicaly today. Very interesting and Informative vidio.
Wish they had that 30 yrs ago when I was building houses, would have saved a fortune in wire and labor.
Thank you for your tutorials.
I think there already are electric installations that can be remotely controlled over the internet.
Can you do a tutorial about that?
Please where will I get some to buy? This is fantastic and must go for 👍🏽
This can minimize cost of wiring connections. Hope this can be upgraded for bigger load...
This is what I was looking for ages . What a great product and very innovative
Wow an whole new way of wiring love it
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Game changer to all the traders out there game on
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that is fantastic i will be looking at them ,but you do have a lot of wood worm in you board
Sure wish I had you for a teacher when I was in school (I like your passion and teaching method).
Of course, then we would be at a disadvantage - I'd have to get used to your accent (I'm in the U.S.A.) and you would have to get used to our systems and gazillion pages of of codes. LOL
Keep up the great work!!!!
Thanks and I would have loved to live in the US
Amazing and Innovative....what is the maximum number of switches that can be paired?
Seems to be a more fancy updated version of switches that I used way back in 2006 in my detached koi pond house. Rather than get involved with mains wiring (and its safety implications in a wet environment) I simply put the switches up, set them up as required, wired the lights direct via the remote control unit and it was, let there be light.They were wireless operated switches powered by a small battery and worked very well. It even came with a remote so I could switch the lights on from the house.
These have no battery - they use the physical force of someone operating the switch to generate the required power. So no need to change batteries / risk switches going dead.
I see Quinetic have a PIR option now (QUPIR). Hopefully you get to do a video on those soon.
I have looked at the PIR but haven’t done a video yet 👍🏻
This is awesome!
Definitely a breakthrough design.
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Looks great, but I've got a couple of questions - I'm an electronic (not electrical) Engineer by profession, and I understand that the master switch overcomes the lack of a power supply, i.e. live and neutral, by using a capacitor. I've read some reviews of similar products and a lot of folk say that there can be problems, e.g. if not used for a while the capacitor can discharge and therefore no power to the switch until it's switched on, and there can be intermittent flashing of the connected lamps. Really keen to get some of these in my home, so would really welcome any input from the professional electricians. Thanks
As a qualified electrical and electronic engineer I am not convinced that this expensive bit of kit is a realistic alternative to wiring it properly to BS 7671:2018.
PS: The switch will have L (direct)and N (via the bulb). A LED bulb may not provide a sufficiently low resistance to power the electronic device or the bulb may flicker or glow dimly. Hence a proper neutral is needed.
The solution is quite simple:
If you add one (or more) diode in series with the bulb you will have a voltage drop equal to the Vf of the diode (or equal to the Vf times the number of diodes if you have more of them in series); more important thing, the voltage drop remains almost the same if you increase or decrease the load.
Of course, if you place one diode in series with the lamp you will also rectify the mains voltage; in order to avoid this issue, you shall add another diode in parallel of the first one (wired in reverse) to allow the transfer the entire cycle to the loads.
You cannot drain too much power using this solution, but is definitely enough to drive a very low power wireless device (couple it with a very low power bistable relay and a big capacitor and you are ALMOST done).
ALMOST because you also need some kind of AC-DC converter capable to run with a bulb in series also to power the device when the lamp is OFF!.
Unfortunately these things are usually incompatible with LED bulbs (but you can still use a resistor in parallel with the bulb to overcome the problem).
@@teslacoiler I'm pretty sure you just wayyyy overthunk that one LMAO. They use the same technology as the shake flashlight to create a volt through the little remote switch in order to send an on or off signal to the main switch, which is just a relay that makes or breaks the line.
See the explanation I gave to teslacoil in this thread. It's not as hard as you think.
@@fivish it's wired properly, they have a little 413 Mhz switch in the remote switch that acts like your garage door opener and it's powered by a little magnet in a relay like one of those flashlights that you shake. All it needs is a volt or less for just a second to send an on or off signal based on sideband frequencies of the 413 Mhz, just like a multi remote switch. The main switch is just for making or breaking the line and the runner that goes to the light with a relay, the neutral will be tied in elsewhere, and since it's a plastic box you just tie the grounds.
Great video, what happens when you have a two gang on a two way switch?
Wow, blown away. Great idea 💡 👍🏼
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I noticed the clicking sound and it reminds me of the remote controls for televisions in the 1960s - early 1970s. They had no batteries, just buttons that made a fairly loud clicking sound. (That's where the term "clicker" originated.) I never studied that technology because when I started learning electronics/D/C theory, transistors were just starting to replace vacuum tubes, TI had just begun to sell electronic calculators and LED watches. My first teacher was pretty smart. He said it wouldn't be long before TV repair would no longer require tracing the problem down to a component. Instead, we would simply replace an entire plug-in PCB. It seems strange that now, in this digital age, the [not really] new technology is reverting back to the kinetic "clicker."
Reminds me of an electric lighter click.
@@sined726 Yeah! You know, I have a butane soldering iron that sounds the same. One day as I clicked to light it, my LED A-lamp (regular light bulb shape) in my work light flickered. So I clicked it again. Every time I clicked that igniter, my bulb flickered, and I hate to admit it, but I don't know why.
Piezo ignition anyone?
It must use a piezo charge similar to a battery-less doorbell chime button. The motion of pushing the button generates the charge.
Can you please recommend how did i find this switch normally so amazing idea 💡 thank you for your information!!!!!!!
A nice addition would be a push and hold to dim up and down.
They already do it
They should make a tiny little hub you can install behind an existing switch, then you can have five other switches around the house controlling the main switch (providing the main switch is always left turned on).
Thanks for sharing your video, I’m always chatting to other sparky’s about your channel….
Thanks for the support Mark 👍🏻
Powered by pressing it. Just like the exploder that comes with your claymore.
Perhaps I'm a bit too paranoid when it comes to this, but hard wired switches don't have any vulnerability to RF noise (unless your county eats a soviet/chinese nuke, in which case I would suggest the client has bigger problems to worry about), whereas the frequency these things use, is it reserved solely for these things or can other devices jam the operating frequency?
There's also the possibility some nob will stick a pirate radio station on that frequency (although in the age of internet streaming, that's probably less of an issue than it used to be).
Paranoid is only paranoid until it happens. These run at 433MHz which is unlicensed - anyone can use subject to conditions like power output. They shouldn't be vulnerable to noise causing nuisance switching as they will need to receive a specific code but they could be unusable if there is enough interference at higher power drowning out their signal. I would also assume - based on many other implementations (X10, ARC, AC etc) - that there is no real security here. Anyone could listen to the signal and repeat it to be a nuisance. That's certainly the case with what I have deployed. That said, I've not experience that issue even once in the better part of a decade. Range is a limiting factor to an attack but I can certainly 'hear' the odd device belonging to a neighbour now and again. I have the kit (my home automation) to receive that and retransmit it at will.....but fortunately I'm not like that. Point being, don't stick these things on anything that would cause a disaster were it misused.
This is a brilliant solution!! Do they do a 2 channel receiver, to switch 2 separate lamps? Also do they do a slimmer receiver that could be put into a ceiling void, through a ceiling downlight hole???
that's genius. hope they are not too expensive.
That would work in a factory setting or in any application where you want a light to just come on and off. But all the custom homes I do , everything is on a dimmer.
We use lighting control systems. Cool technology but not where you need serious lighting controls. Kinda seems gimmickie. But cool. Good job.
great. That makes life much easier.
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This is cool. Wonder if they will ever bring something like this over to US/Canada. This has to be cheaper than paying for a 3 way switch's and fishing lines two them.
Look for EnOcean switches 👍🏻
Brilliant love the power free switches however the receiver must be using some power to listen. Yet another energy vampire and like most electronic things it will probably fail or burst into flames in a few years. Ill stick with wires that switch things entirely off thanks.
Fantastic demonstration. What happens if one of the switches go bad and you can't get a replacement as new technology switches are coming on board everyday,?
Really is a game changer however, persons nowadays love verbal commands ....... nonetheless I recognize the change
Been an electrician for over 30 yrs,,,LOVE THIS. Connetics Energy, NO Batteries, WOW. Hope it comes to the States.
Look for EnOcean switches 👍🏻
How do these stand up to RFI from other radio transmitters ie mobile phone, walkie talkies, radio hams ?
A very smart device. Where can I buy the switches?
i have used these (from china) and found that unless you have a 15W CFL I had issues with the transmitter. Needing a X2 cap across the light (which is terrible) They need a return path to neutral which is fine when the switch is off but not when the switch is on. I ended up with kinetic switches with the control switch above the rose. If these work perfect with a 5W Led type then that is a good improvement
Great idea, will make a hell of a difference!
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that is genius. I wonder if they sell them outside the uk ? and whats the garentee on them ?
Look for EnOcean switches 👍🏻
Ener-j is another make from Denmans I have used them on a few jobs with no problems and they are a lot cheaper than the Quintec make
Thanks for that tip Chris 👍🏻
Thanks for the content. My electrician says installing a wire remains best practice, so these replacement switches with kinetic receivers are great all round as they give all the advantages of hard writing with all the opportunities of wireless...
A question though: why is UA-cam flooded with Quinetic brand and the others don't seem to be getting traction, even though on the face of it the ranges seem quite similar?
That’s is absolutely superb
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Like the look of this as I have a switch behind a door.
However my lighting is not wired with switch live I.e. all neutrals are connected together behind the switch.
Could this be used on this type of wiring method?
Perhaps now we can have the light switch back in the bathroom ;)
very good and professional presentation
It's great, need samples for demo , can send to kenya? What of multiple bulb?
Hi . Thanks for the video. If there is a power cut do the switches remember their pairing ? rgds Don
Quinetic Wireless Switch & Built in-line Receiver - What Happens when the Power goes OFF & Unpairing
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I use these when remodeling flip houses that have pull cord ceiling fans or lights or whatnot.
These are amazing! what a great invention and they seem quite cost effective too.
Glad you like them! 👍🏻
brilliant video and great product.Where can we purchase these products?Thanks!
TLC wholesalers 👍🏻
Love, love, live this idea!!! Do you know if anything like this is available for the Australian market????
Still using CFL bulbs? This switch is just a remote controll and an expensive one.
The Quinetic Receiver is £32.50 and dumb switches are £18.75.
Can buy a wifi enabled led bulb for £5-£8 and switch it on/off from your phone or Alexa.
Massive thanks for your input 👍🏻
very handy if reading a book in bed, saves getting up to turn the light off, no need for bed-side lights
I don’t like modern technology 😂 , but this is a fantastic idea
Until they pack up and then you have to spend more money to replace them , talking of money how much are they I might have to give them to try , ? Maybe.
Fantastic video as always Gaz 👍👍👍❤️