Schwinn Signature Bicycles - Better than Big Box Schwinn Bikes?
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2023
- Schwinn Bikes, a brand well known - and liked - here at KevCentral. Recently, I showed a Schwinn Signature bike, the Standpoint, and many viewers commented regarding my statement that this is a Step Up. Let's talk about that in this video + I clarify a few things about the Schwinn Standpoint and my plans for that bike.
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If it's going to be signature, it needs to definitely have better components and disk brakes
Agree... nothing says big box better than that crank with the black guard....
Yep it's not worth it just get a Boundary or a trouvaille instead 👍
I bought a Schwinn Signature online about 4 years ago cheap. It's a very nice (3 speed Urban) bike, I couldn't find anything wrong with it, and I'm fussy. The paint is flawless.
The higher tier bike now has a new lower tier
😂
Hey Kev. I have a Standpoint I purchased at Dicks Sporting Goods during covid. I didn't want to commit to a more expensive bike then. Well, I fell in love with mountain biking trails in Florida. After improving everything but the brake levers I believe I have a proper mountain bike. Yes, I have spent a lot of money on the improvements but I am very happy with my Schwinn. Thanks for the review.
I recently purchased the Schwinn Suburban DLX. Yes it is a big box bike, but for what I paid ($175) it has aluminum frame, 27.5 wheels and decent components, I am very happy, it makes a very comfortable trail bike and around towner. Also the rim brakes stop on a dime, I have used them in several retrofits myself, I frankly don't see the appeal of disc brakes on a bicycle.
The step up is using rapid fire all in one shifter brake levers,double wall reinforced alloy wheels that are only 700c size,a shimano altus derailer kit,an angled frame of alloy,adjustable neck angle,raised alloy handlebars,alloy cranks,and maybe just maybe full disc brakes
The original fork/shifter/mechanical disk brake from the Al Comp would have been an upgrade start.
Except that wouldn’t have made it more like the 4300 🙃
I know this is old news but the Kent trouvalle has a port for a dropper on the medium frame for anyone on the fence
Yeah I'm glad you decided not to upgrade it. Some kid is gonna be stoked to get that bike.
I can report that you are exactly right when it comes to Dicks Sporting Goods. Their bike mechanics are great. They managed to find and replace both tires on my 'Walmart' Schwinn, I'll get to that in a moment. The tires were folded and appeared too wide. It took the guy an hour but he got it! They took time to go over their bike purchasing procedures and I loved it.
Now on to the Chinese Walmart Schwinn I bought. First it wasn't assembled correctly, the brakes were almost non existent when I rode it home, the handle bars were crooked, I had to adjust both when I got home. The pedal crank set wore out after 3 months, when I had the tires replaced at Dicks, the inner tube was for a 28 inch tire and the bike had the 27.5 tires, which Walmart doesn't stock. But they sell the bike. Yesterday while riding, the weld at the rear wheel completely separated sending me almost into traffic. Stay away from big box bikes, ESPECIALLY Walmart. I sent Schwinn an email describing my issues with pictures. These bikes from Walmart are absolute garbage. I'll be buying from Dicks next....
I have a shwinn early 80’ beach cruiser and a stationary bike gold colored and the beach cruiser black used to have white walls but it’s a black tire huchingson tire beach cruiser need some paint
I like the component talk but lacks the frame discussion.
i see plastic pedals, rim brakes, external cableing, cheap fork and twist shifters so im wondering how that is an up-line...
I see that the gt aggressor is on discount right now.. would make for a good review 🤘
Thanks for the suggestion. I’ve already reviewed the Ag Pro. I don’t think it has changed much aside from the addition of a Microshift option
Not bad for $299.
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Sad that you won't be upgrading it. The Trek 4300 had mounts for disc brakes on the front and rear. I see that the Schwinn has them for the rear sadly not the front or you'd be upgrading for sure. On to the next one!!
I just checked their website and the forks they have on that bike do have provisions for disc brakes!! Dang that stinks.
If you love The Trek 4300 so much I've said it before 80 bucks do me a favor and take it in your hands it could be perfect mint condition in hours you can jump on it and ride it right now with no problem. Derry NH
What year?
@@KevCentral I will look when I get home in Maine right now
@@KevCentral it has rim brakes
I've been riding a Schwinn skyliner for the last week it's absolutely perfect but too small for me um 300 lb lol
I’m not familiar with that model. I’ll have to look it up
@@KevCentral hahahahahaha ok
@@KevCentral when I get home I will change my profile picture to the bike 💥💥
Are you the
The Trogly's Guitar Show
Person? Man, y'all sound alike!
Interesting but if you buy and replace oarts immediately maybe look for something better? Judgement call.
I have watched many a KC vid and this one is def one of the more controversial videos you've made. Let me preface my comment and say that not only am I a fan of your channel but I'm also a huge Schwinn fan. I grew up in a small town with a Schwinn dealer that I eventually worked for as a mech. The problem that I have with this video has to do with your explanation/promotion of the "Signature Series" as a step above bike.
It isn't. Certainly not for $450 before taxes.
I can sort of see the Dicks/trained personnel/the bike is fully sorted aspect but when you start talking about the welds well, I don't see it as being any better than say an Axum. On top of that it has V brakes and a straight head tube. Not exactly traits that set it above other Schwinns. It is 27.5 which is a good (though more of an oddball is some ways....and the fact that I will refrain from commenting on the drivetrain should give you an idea of what my thoughts are on that) but it doesn't fit this channel to herald something based on what seems to be basically a marketing term.
Not heralding or promoting. Just stating the market segment this is aimed at and what the Signature bikes are = non big box
@KevCentral I get that, but then given what I've become accustomed to with your excellent channel, I would expect at least a bit more criticism. Is the Standpoint really worth $450? Even if Dicks really vets their assembly people I think it can be assumed that Schwinn or rather their parent company wouldn't have the frames made with a process that is of a process more so than that of their other high quality offerings. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but this is a value oriented channel, and I don't see value in the Standpoint.
Check the comments on the standpoint review. There were people that have a standpoint and love their bikes. Who are we to tell them any different? I rarely belittle any bike. As far as this one, I clearly mentioned my interest in this was solely based my past experience with the 4300. If people want to read into that - that’s their own agenda, not mine
@@KevCentralI just want to say I love you and your channel! And though we've shared and explored some differences I greatly appreciate what you do! Life is short and if I've learned anything it's that there's only so much worth really fighting over. And I love Schwinn! Take care and "have a great day."
Honestly I would put a rigid fork on this one and make it into a commuter
That’s called a Schwinn Glenwood
Nice bike
Are these made on a different assembly line?
Good question. If I can ever make it to China and sneak into the factory I’ll find out 😈
There is one step down
What happened to the 4300? 😲
yeah i do not see this as modern quality
90's bike with new cover , Just like AMG , lol ........... still dont understand why these companies still using tourney system even all the system cost 40$ and selling these bikes with this price ?
Actually as I see it Tourneys are not the mainstay they are being “phased out” of the big box supply chain by other off brands…
@@ricksantana1016 for example, trek Marlin 5 have Shimano tourney system with cheap Chinese hub even the frame is made in china , so it's cheap , but it cost 699$~799$ depend on the extras, idk wtf is going on and I don't think the fram cost 500$ , , with 800$ u can buy older model used/clean giant ATX with shimano Deore SLX ,with a deore bottom bracket crank set,
We import Shimano tourney here in Iraq and the whole system cost 35~45$ , lets say 100$ for wheels and tires (if it's freehub) so i dont think the frame cost this much , it's like the companies DGAF about the bike and the material/quality/feedbacs, just care about the name and sell plans from non professional bike engineers .
My opinion, my thoughts.
@@sgt.sasquatch AGREED… Incidentally, Thank You for your Service…
I rode my 90s bike today. Not much stuff holds up for 30 years.
Rim brakes?
They still exist
It would be a good bike, except for the fact that that bike has been outdated for some time now!
Dick's is the same as Sportschek here in Canada owned by Canadian Tire. I think Canadian Tire owns Dick's also???
I didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing
@@KevCentral y'all welcome.
OK, IF you are buying a bike based solely on weld quality, you're already in for a disappointment. The Tourney on a "higher tier" bike has me looking skeptically. Rim brakes have me questioning a "higher tier" bike. You would be in a better place saving a few more pennies and buying an entry level bike from a bike shop. The new Marlin 5 would be leaps and bounds better off as a starter bike than this would. And the "upgrade as you go" mantra is, quite possibly, a hint that you can't really afford this "hobby".
Cycling isn’t a “hobby” to everyone. There are people that use big box bikes as their sole transportation - in recent years that number has been increasing due to people having trouble paying the higher costs of everything. As far as the Marlin series: the Marlin 4 has a Tourney, freewheel, and a 3x
Ok, I have a few Schwinn bikes I that came new from bike shops. Schwinn Signature is kinda funny on this line. The Signature line was to distinguish the bike shop Schwinns from the lower quality Big Box store bikes. I have a 91, 96, 99 Schwinns that have local bike shop stickers.The ‘96/I bought new. The other two I bought used. The 91 and ‘96 were made in China the ‘99 made in Taiwan. They are good quality steel bicycles that has held up over the years. I have a 2014 Target Schwinn that not to bad and has the rapid fire shifters. I bought a 2016 Schwinn Brighton 1 with the Shamano Nextus internal 8 gear hub. M S R P was $600. I bought it for $375 in 2019 from a Schwinn bike shop on clearance.
To be fair Durrell industry introduced the big box line to keep the Schwinn name in the minds of the general public.
That’s a lot of Schwinn 👍🏻
Oh that is just my newer ones. I have a few Chicago Schwinns including my first Schwinn a 1956 Spitfire I had since I was nine back in 1966. It is definitely not in pristine condition. I used to have to defend my Chinese Schwinns in the Schwinn forums. My 2016 Schwinn Brighten 1 was made in China but they put the sticker underneath the bottom of the crank housing, lol.
@@rickiejacobs5910 Are the 1990 era Chinese Schwinns made in Taiwan or the mainland? Is there any way to tell? I would consider Taiwan built bikes a step up.
@@daniellarson3068 No way to tell on my 90’s bikes. My 1991 women’s Suburban 3 speed says chine and technically it is a original Schwinn family era bike made before the bankruptcy and says China on it. My ‘96 Men’s Suburban 3 speed says made in chine. My ‘99 Schwinn Searcher base says made in Taiwan. I did some research and it didn’t look like Giant made it. Now my 2014 Target Schwinn women’s bike actually says what Chinese plant was was made.
Also my reach into Chinese bicycles are the are the most productive country of bicycles. They will contract to make any quality standard a company specs them to make. So not all chines bikes are junk only if it is specked to have low quality. My 2004 Specialze Crossroad is also made in China and is a very good bike.
Sorry for the lengthy response, I like researching about things etc. just look for how well it is made more than where it was made.
@@rickiejacobs5910 It was pretty good. I guess if a bike was made in Taiwan, it would say "Made in Taiwan." Nothing is written on the bike frame. So my 1991 bike could be a frame made in Communist China. I guess I'll just slap an American flag sticker on it to feel better. Thanks.
Add a fancier name and charge more for basically the same junk, no disk brakes, cheap big box store crank and low end components... That's a pass for me I'll spend the extra money for a good bike.
X2 and this review seems really out of place for this channel. I would have expected to hear "you'd be better off spending a few more bucks for an Axum."
Probably a paid or sponsored review. Not to mention these UA-cam content creators just need content. I think he is just playing nice with Schwinn
Oh, but is it ‘Schwinn Approved’? Also, needs that classic yellow sticker that states ‘Caution: Wet rims require increased stopping distance’. See, no need for disc brakes with that sticker on there
l'm still not buying this being any sort of step up and here are my thoughts on the matter
If you take any Walmart Schwinn to a bike shop for a tune up, it'll have the same or better components, be properly tuned, and in most cases still cost less than this bike. If it costs more then it's a reflection of the base cost including better, or just more useful, components. Having the bike properly assembled and adjusted is not much of a step up when it has bottom tier components compared to that same manufacturers models sold elsewhere. The service offered by Dick's may be a step up but nothing about this bike is a step up over anything else Schwinn produces. The key take away here is Schwinn and Dick's are independent entities.
Maybe Schwinn should reexamine how their bike shop sales practices of the past got them into the position they are attempting to claw their way out of? Schwinn was firmly in support of bike snobbery but didn't have the market share or stay current enough to survive it.
Say what you will about disc brakes they are the new standard. And now you see the problem with bucking standards. I personally never had a problem with threaded headsets, yet you touted Threadless as a high point, while claiming disc brakes are a marketing gimmick, and praising Schwinn for making this dropper ready.
For most new riders 1x with a wide range cassette eliminates 2/3 of shift adjustment problems. Not to mention cross chaining, raise your hand if you remember getting the hang of avoiding cross chaining while riding a mountain bike in actual mountain biking conditions? Technology has progressed to the point that 3x mountain bike drivetrains are ridiculously obsolete. The freewheel leaves you with a solid axle because hollow axles bend easily when used with freewheels, the axles bearing support is much closer to the hub than it is with a freehub. There is no cost savings by using a freewheel and 3x crankset vs a freehub and 1x crankset. Steel handle bars...
Dick's sells the GT Avalanche 29" for $499, hydraulic disc brakes and a 3x9 drivetrain which uses a cassette, it has a tapered head tube, aluminum handle bars. For the extra $50 over the standpoint you get more modern geometry, a freehub, hydraulic disc brakes, alloy bars and a tapered head tube which equals a bike that has better upgrade potential. #1 is you don't need a new rear wheel to use a wide range cassette. When you want to upgrade the fork you can choose a tapered steerer or straight steerer, It already has disc brakes, you don't need new handle bars just to reduce weight, it comes in more frame sizes.
In my opinion the Schwinn Standpoint signature series is severely outdated, especially for the price. But I suppose Trek gets $529 for the Marlin 4 so Dick's and Schwinn can be praised for offering a similarly equipped bike for a little less. Though I'd rather have the Bontrager components and Formula hubs over whatever Schwinn signature uses. And again for $80 more the similarly equipped Trek offers a better fork, alloy bars, name brand mechanical disc brakes, and all name brand components.
Has anyone reviewed the Trek Marlin 4 gen 2 against only "bike shop" brands and models and called it a step up? Well maybe it is a step up over a Trek 820... I posit the answer is NO because it is a 3x7 with a freewheel, tourney components, and spring fork. See, when you eliminate after sales support as a variable then outdated components in no way equal a step up over industry, manufacturer or market standards.
It rained today. I was on my 30+ year old Schwinn bike. It has rim brakes. Maybe, there are advantages to disk brakes. I've never had disk brakes. I guess the Schwinn of old died long ago. Even their better bikes do not appear to meet the current standards expected for better bikes. Schwinn is owned by Pacific Cycles which is a in turn owned by the Dutch Company Pon Holdings. Pacific Cycles makes Schwinn and Mongoose bikes.
Looking into this Pon Holdings, I found the following:
"Our portfolio comprises more than 15 premium and iconic bike brands, including Gazelle, Cervélo, Urban Arrow, FOCUS, Santa Cruz, Kalkhoff, Veloretti, Cannondale, Schwinn, and CALOI. Our brands are spread across the world with locations in e.g. the Netherlands, Germany, the US, Canada, China, Taiwan, the UK, Hong Kong, Australia, and Brazil."
So - It looks like Schwinn is relegated to lower tier. If they do build a better bike, a more "Premium" name will be slapped on by the Bean Counters. You would think they would let one or two premium bikes trickle in under the Schwinn name just to keep the name and reputation alive.
Schwinn SIGNATURE bikes are BIG BOX store bikes just like the standard Schwinn bikes...we sell them at Dick's
Signature does not equal better. Outside professionals assembly
It's not a true Schwinn if it doesn’t have S7 tires or proprietary components
Lol
They are not train bike techs. Ine day a weak
Dicks has what they call a "bike tech" when you delve into it they do not profess to be full on bike mechanics and will route you to an LBS if you have any issues beyond something very basic. The "bike tech" is only a step up from a Walmart bike assembler.
DSG calls them Bike PROS (yes, they use caps). They offer most of the services a local bike shop offers: wheel truing, brake adjustments, derailleur adjustments, hub service, headset service, etc. My local DSG is even open to bike repairs on bikes they don’t sell, but the prices are high. I think the difference comes in when someone starts talking about upgrades or servicing something outside the current norm - like my Cannondale Lefty. My local bike shop would dig right in. DSG would probably look at me like I had brought a rabid skunk into their store.
I feel like Kev gets money from Schwinn to make positive reviews, and honestly I think Schwinn makes some decent bikes as I own an axum, but that being said, I think this entire video had to have been satire or sarcasm
Wow
This is a terrible bike in 2023. Please don’t make it seem like this is a decent bike at all as it’s just fooling potential buyers into buying a bike with weird sizes and low quality parts. This is just a another bike that will end up in a landfill because it’s not worth to fix
Check the comments in the review. There are people that have the bike and like it. Who are we to tell them what bike is best for them? For me, I made it clear it’s not something I’m going to upgrade even to reprise some nostalgia, and there are better equipped bikes at DSG. That still doesn’t change the fact that Signature bikes are considered a tier up over big box
@@KevCentral the signature sticker is just a sticker. At best they make sure the fork isn’t backwards. Every DSG near me rarely even has a mechanic on duty. This bike has the lowest tier parts that WILL fail. As mentioned, 27.5 quick release wheels are very hard to find. This is the definition of a bike to avoid. As someone that some people look to for advice, it should really be noted as to why to avoid this bike.
Now, in fairness, I will say (and you have previously touched on it a little in a few other videos) that Schwinn is fantastic with customer service and tends to be able to replace most parts on a bike less than 5 years old. That is about the ONLY advantage to buying this over more reputable brands.
@pcbootleger this bike is fine for beginners who are mostly road riders. With light trail riding on occasion. It's currently $249. There are far worse bikes currently being sold at Walmart for more than that.
Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. So there. That bike is a pile of junk parts - you have to pay for those just to throw them in the trash, according to you, because - "looket dem welds." Seriously - nothing worth keeping. Nothing. Not even the decal.
Dicks Sporting. Goods is that a special going on on their GT for 299 a medium size frame.
Yep. That’s a decent deal
It's not a lot of money but it's an ugly bike, which is probably why no one is buying them.
One more thing, the brakes are disc brakes, when applying the front brake, the front wheel twists to the right up to about an inch out of alignment.
Sorry but at the end of the day Schwinn does NOT make a good bike anymore no matter what the series is, that’s just a fact.
I disagree, but thanks for sharing your opinion. There is a bike for everyone 👍🏻
@@KevCentralKev come on brother lol, you gotta see the bigger picture. Just because a bike is welded together properly with not garbage alloy doesn’t mean a bike is “good”. This geometry is 15 years old and it’s not even making an attempt to reap the benefits of some basic modern advance.
@@Banannalands
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