Die ICE wäre schon längst ein Level weiter, wenn die nicht vermehrt auf exklusiv 1. Klassenwaggons und Luxus fixiert wäre. Viele Menschen wollen einfach nur von A nach B - und deswegen brauchen wir einfach nur mehr Sitzplätze, bodenständig und funktionell, und nicht Elitär exklusiv.
You are wrong. There are 2 challenges here, property rights and efficient air travel. Its much harder and expensive to take land by resumption (force) in US. And air travel already works well. So why do it in most parts of USA? Also, USA can't just rip off Siemens and Kawasaki tech, they would need to pay for it.
@@happyhappynuts Barely, the airline and car industry in the US lobby projects like high speed rail, air travel in places like from SF-LA is just garbage because of the boarding and CO2 emissions, and if you dont want to fly you have to go for a 6 hour drive, the state decided to make a high speed rail to connect the two cities yet it's being lobbied the hell out and politicians stealing money, it's already inflated to over $100B from it's starting 25B We dont need high speed all over the US, thats ridiculous, we just need it in between places that have high demand, (too close to fly but too long to drive), SF-LAX is a good example, Houston-Dallas is another, which is under co, Tampa-Orlando-Miami is another, but you're right about the strict property rights, DC-NJ-NY-BOS has high speed done by Amtrak but it only reaches it's full speed for like 40 minutes due to outdated tracks and bridges, they have purchased new high speed trains capable of 320KP/H (200MPH) by French Alstom. Track upgrades are also expected sometime later, wouldn't be surprised if it gets lobbied
The reason why the Chinese government does not consider the loss of operating high-speed rail is that each year, high-speed rail drives more than one billion people across the country, and the economic growth behind this far exceeds the losses incurred by HSR operations. However, foreign railway companies are privately owned, and they will not sacrifice their own interests for the reasons of national economic development. Therefore, the success of China's HSR won't be replicated in terms of both construction scale or ticket prices in western countries easily.
@Arch Stanton In the EU the issue is less money, and more high speed rail requiring to cross national borders... which is not always possible since different countries rarely collaborate for the several years of construction. For example, the Turin-Lyon line has been in the works for decades, as on top local resistance, it has to content with changes in the political makeup and willpower of Italy and France. The Five Star Movement, with 37% of seats in Parliament and part of all three Italian governments since the last election, is extremely hostile to high speed rail, as its populist platform describes them as a waste and damage to the territory compared to normal trains.
Economically sound, much more than politically. Well, the west would keep thinking politically of everything in China...they should change their.mindset, especially the lady from US...
@Arch Stanton I dont know about those other countries, but in Norway the borgouise regime have privatized the national rail system making rail travel much more costly and reduced number of trains and highly inconvenient with the ever changing multiple private rail services that "wins" the bids.
The US lost the $2T Afghanistan war in utter humiliation. With less cost China built 38,000km HSR, 7,800km subways, and 140,000km freeways in the same time frame. Please stop feeling sorry for China not making good profits from building infrastructures.
American have problem about having good public infrastructure, healthcare, prison system and schooling because those things dont make alot of money in short term.
Trillions weren't entirely wasted though. The term military industrial complex is so intertwined with the US economy one simply can not go without another. Majority of these monies stay in US and fuel the economy. However, interest on these borrowed monies alone means hundreds of billions of dollars, whether or not that's bad depends on how one looks at it.
Those chinese companies are also state owned, so even if they were loosing profit in the short term, they will still make the high speed rails if the government sees long term profit and wants to benefit the common people.
@@XinaCCPFreeTibet that is why you are so upset. PLA killed the slave owner only but made majority of the Tibetan live a better lives while European killed all the natives .
I press the dislike button because the western medias always distorted China, for example, they didn’t tell their audience whole story China government paid 4-6 times prices for relocating their citizens which the medias always try to miss it . In China, there is a word called “ relocation generation “ , all of them got super rich overnight by the relocation programs, those rare nail people just too greedy and they wanted at least 100 millions, or refused to move . also China high speed rail laborers not cheap at all , they got at least 4000 -5000 dollars per month, according Chinese price, that’s very decent payment. Don’t try to find so much excuses for your corrupted systems, facts are facts, admit them and correct them . Or just ignore them
If Chinese HSR is fully profit driven , then there won’t be any that goes to Tibet or Xinjiang … ever. HSR is like a blood vein that’s provide nutrients to parts of your body. HSR simply will help facilitate development. China thinks long term, that’s so wise .
@@johnbuffaloiam9741 for High Speed Rail ? England ? I mean I don’t want to sound rude, England’s high speed rail is not even considered “high speed” in Chinese standard
@@johnbuffaloiam9741 you dont have hs2 , you are going to have hs2 in 10+years. ( estimates phase 1 completion 2033) Again I really hate to embarrass you , Virgin train goes top speed 140mph ,that speed is not even qualified to be named “ high speed rail” in China ( HSR in China must go at least 155mph) . I am sorry
When I lived in China for a year I can't even recount how many times I've travelled on HSR but all I have to say for it is that it's amazing! Supreme comfort with loads of legroom (me as a 185cm Dutch person could easily stretch my legs and still room to spare in second class carriage). From Beijing to Chengdu (about 1800km) took 7 hours with only 3 stops for 80 euros. It's so efficient, if Europe had this it would be amazing for leisure travel and good for European economies as well.
gladly you used the wording "European economies", not "European economy". since firstly there is no such thing called "european economy", secondly if there was one, then this fictional "euroepan economy" would have been much stronger than all of "European economies" combined.
I was planning to travel on rail from Paris to Lisboa in 2019 so I can enjoy the views and see a few cities along the way. But the system is so fragmented it would be very expensive and time consuming I ended up only ride to Nice and flew to Lisboa. It's a shame.
@@afunguynamedkawhi7959 well, that connection is especially troublesome because the Iberian peninsula (Spain and Portugal) have a different width of traintrack than the rest of Europe, the Spanish and Portuguese tracks being some 20 centimeters wider. This means that at the border you don't just need to change locomotive but the entire train complicating things massively and that there is no possibility of a direct train from say Amsterdam through Paris to Madrid and Lisboa.
DW's sh**ty comment on how China made this great project: "cheap labor"... Hey DW, do you know where you can find cheap labor? In India, so why don't they have this too? The contradiction of Western explanations are incredible. Westerners always compare prices between nations in such a light way, but never take into consideration the PPP (Purchasing power parity).
I press the dislike button because the western medias always distorted China, for example, they didn’t tell their audience whole story China government paid 4-6 times prices for relocating their citizens which the medias always try to miss it . In China, there is a word called “ relocation generation “ , all of them got super rich overnight by the relocation programs, those rare nail people just too greedy and they wanted at least 100 millions, or refused to move . also China high speed rail laborers not cheap at all , they got at least 4000 -5000 dollars per month, according Chinese price, that’s very decent payment. Don’t try to find so much excuses for your corrupted systems, facts are facts, admit them and correct them . Or just ignore them
That girl doesn't really know much except the very superficial part of the network. I've seen a documentary where the Chinese government had to negotiate with local landowners for months to years by giving these landowners 2-3 apartments for a tiny part of their land. Several network railways were changed because the villagers protested when they initially accepted. That means it was more expensive to redirect the network route than the original plan. Some other networks were also redirected because the original harmed the local ecosystem. There were many obstacles, but found ways to solve these problems, not bulldozed their way like this girl claimed. And high speed trains are not profitable anywhere in the world. It's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be provided for the citizens. The government never thought of profit when it comes to building these network. They were smarter. Laying out these network far benefits the overall economy and the convenience of people that the loss of profit from operation.
because they (the west) have to find a way to sabotage anything china do, they cannot accept (subconsciously?) that there are things china does better. it’s interesting that the reporter is probly a (white-washed) chinese (happa?).
It's one thing if there was pushback from commonfolk, but was there pushback within the Chinese Government? Cuz the main reason why high-speed trains are harder to integrate in the U.S is cuz people who are against it have considerable backing in the government (mainly Republicans). So i'd imagine the only reason China is able to chern out all of these high-speed railways is due to the government overwhelmingly supporting it, sometimes even to the detriment of people who oppose it.
Some of those landowners are just straight greedy. A lot of them tried to milk as much money as they could even thought the local government have offered them a good amount of compensation + a new apartment.
I am a foreigner living in China since above 15 years. When I arrived China trains sucks very hard.... Now China train network is the best in the world... ultra fast, always on time (98% of the time), no strike (I am french... so many strikes in France), comfortable, not expensive... and except one accident at the very beginning of launching the network, no accident causing death in the last many billions people transported. From Shanghai to Nanjing (300km away) in one day, in one way, there are above 300 trains... more high speed trains frequency than many metro system in many countries. Congratulation China! Looking forward there is 70.000km. And these trains saved a crazy amount of CO2 emission!
No sir CO2 emission has not been address by high speed railway at all, because the electricity these train use to run comes from coal fired plant. 2060 is the year china is aiming to become carbon nurteal till then china is still a poluter of CO2.
@@beelee8627 dude, there is no lot of pollution or 0 pollution. These trains run on electricity which a big part come from coal, but still that per passenger km pollute much less than if these people were taking cars or even worst using planes. So it is a huge improvement, plus as China step by step get their electricity production emitting less and less CO2 per kwatt the trains will pollute less and less.
4:49 Ruthless? There is a common saying in China that if you got moved you'll get rich for the gov have to pay an apartment with equivalent size of your current one but values way more! ... wait...it's DW...nevermind
Travelled over four states starting with Beijing, Xian, Chongqing and finally Shanghai and that too with my ninety-five-year-old aunt. All I can say is one simple word, INCREDIBLE.
I have seen... and of course these delays are not the norms, but on average the Chinese high-speed train are always on time (maybe 98% of the time) while the planes are very very often delayed.
Me too, flown many times in China, longest delay I have had was probably 30mins. One weird thing was that you can fly direct to Lijiang from Shenzhen, but cannot fly back direct, you had to transfer at Kunming.
i suffer too much delays in china, only when i go to china its not delay, when i get out of china that where the real delays happen. 2 hours so far the longest.
Well the main reason for this is because the Chinese rail companies don’t care whether they make a profit or continuous losses as long as they transport their people easily.
To recoup the capital investment on bullet train takes time and several years before making any profit,but with such a huge population it will eventually make profit.China always think in the long term.
The economic, social and cultural benefit of allowing 1 billion people to move quickly across the country far outweighs any profit. Individually, the railway sector has a deficit, but as it is public, the rest of society can easily sustain it
Rail company is just like the HR department that brings convenience to the staff and plays its role in the organisation yet is not expecting to bring in revenue and add profit to the corporation bottom line. Are we going to close the HR department since it does not bring in revenue ?
By primarily depending on two China bashers, you are missing the key reason. "To become prosper, first build roads", that's a famous saying in China and one the government abides to. Yes this is political, but not just because they can, but as part of a sophisticated plan to lift people up economically. Seeing China through only ideology and faults will limit your perspective.
I'm amaze at how China emerge as superpower and the next leader in innovation and technological advancement. I do hope that my country would copy how china works the impossible. I love the country's ideology to improve and improve. What I only don't like is the political maneuver its been doing in the West Phil sea. I know history is their backing for such move but sharing the cake on the region and making it big shouod also be advertised by their smart leaders. Maybe if it's what they're showing it can gather more allies probably a lot.
@@ryanastillero4693 China is learning as it is re-emerging. I recall the elder statesman mahathir mohamad of Malaysia said during the height of the south China sea conflict, "We have lived with China for over 2,000 years. We have traded with China. They never conquered us... But the west, they speak eloquently, but tried to colonise us as soon as they discovered us". China intended to create a strategic buffer in the South China sea against the US. Almost all of its sea routes are through that area and it was being developed by other nations that are US friendly. But it bungled the diplomacy and marketing of its executing...China underestimated the power of the US aligned mainstream media and governments, especially the corrupt Aquino led one in the Philippines. It'll learn and do better. Conflict is the last thing China want.
@@ryanastillero4693 West Philippine Sea or South China Seas doesn’t matter because it is international waters and doesn’t belong to any country. Not China, not Vietnam, not Philippines. You are only allowed 12 miles territorial waters.
If it came down to "cheap labor" then the best HSR networks would be in Vietnam, the Philippines (my country), India, Nigeria, Ethiopia etc. Developing countries with lower labor costs. No, this comes down to great engineering and good planning. Moreover, China has a millenia-old tradition of building infrastructure for the people. The longest canal still in use, the 1,100-km Grand Canal, is 1,400 years old. The oldest irrigation system still in use, the Dongjianwan, is 2,200 years old. Over the centuries, China's rulers spent relatively little on pleasure palaces and temples, and far more on infrastructure.
Ah yes great engineering and planning is definetely the reason and not the authoritarian free pass of being able to relocate any person's house or farm or office on any line with a flick of hand. In India HSR construction is b/w 2 states and land acquisition has not even been completed yet in one of them thanks to lobbyists and "environmentalists". Unfortunately the government doesn't own every piece of land in the country like China does.
China : Capture their lands, put millions in concentration camps and then built them a railway for further exploitation. West: what about civil liberty and human rights. China: what's that ,we don't have that here and and our society so censored that our people don't even know that these kind of things exists.
When the Americans failed to do it, its is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. These so called experts are real FUBU.
I am puzzled ... I have been flying in China constantly for many years and there were extremely few delays. I had more delays in the US and Europe. China's flight schedules are perhaps as punctual as Japan's, based on my experience. Maybe DW is referring to the notorious Chinese flight delays of the 1990s. For your info, those days are history in China.
I think the main problem is that people tend to get stuck with their "impression" of a certain place. So, it will take another decade or two before reality becomes a general knowledge.
@@Birdylockso Yeah, flight delay is pretty common in my childhood in China. I remembered one time I waited 6 hours in the airport for the plane to land. After that I just refuse to take a flight in China.
Well, I think the narrator/DW has never been to China since the last time before 2008 Beijing Olympics. DW doesn't know that China has changed faster than they (DW) blink.
Congratulations to DW for able to paint a negative picture for China's high-speed railways. As a Malaysian I am so impressed with western media recent years. You guys should just rank your railway system no.1 because of lizard-friendly, and most importantly, approved by Greta.
I mean they're not painting it in a bad way. They're just saying in Germany they had to deal with Lizards and other environmental factors while in China these issues are not present
When the Americans failed to do it, its is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. These so called experts are real FUBU.
@@dodovomitory3496 The thing is the rail are usually build in farmland, where the endangered species are already gone for more than a thousand years, at least.
@@RaySqw785 get over it . Chinese innovations have already made vast improvements to HSR design n engineering construction since last decade or so That is why they could build HSR better, faster n cheaper . That is why they could build HSR across the most complex n harshest terrains and geological conditions such as high mountains , low valleys , deserts, seas , cold tundra regions which other foreign companies have found too risky or technically impossible to build. Thats why more n more countries have turned to the chinese to build hsr /railways/ metro subways for them .. Egs the hsr in indonesia , saudi arabia and serbia-Hungary, the express rails in laos, ethopia n kenya , the metros in vietnam , turkey n moscow .Even india asked chinese for certain specific help for their metros lines . The Saudis asked the chinese to build their lst hsr connecting medina to mecca after the other foreign companies told the saudis they found the project not feasible bcos of the loose shifting desert sands and daily sandstorms . However the chinese engineers were able to solve the problems and the hsr has been in operation since its completion several yrs ago.
How ironic you guys mocking china but never realized things around you was "Made In China", yes china didn't invet all of that but you guys prob never heard "i study art of war, work to perfect it"
@@RaySqw785 who design then? indian ? lol Chinese hsr technology is ahead of the rest of the world and chinese companies have built for many countries n continue to be sought after by the global majority. They even built n completed the hsr on desert sand for saudi arabia from Mecca to Medina after no other foreign companies could do it.
they aren't fools...They earn profits...just not directly by ticket...indirectly By the boost in economy trade and manufacturing less transportation time...Since ultimate goal is boosting the economy and progressing for china...either way the government earns profit
There is no such thing as 'social sense' only real $ense. They stole millions of peoples property, municipalities went bankrupt, many stations and lines have already been mothballed. And only a couple of lines are self sustaining. All others are losing tremendous amounts of money every month and many lines will be shuttered in the coming years.
First things first, I think DW should be given some credit for this. I do agree with many others who commented that the tone here is still quite negative, but I doubt that the producers themselves feel this way - they probably think they did a pretty good job being objective and neutral. Their baseline about China is negative in the first place and they likely don't even feel it. Not having a true and objective view about your rival/competitor/enemy will come back to bite you one day; Sun Tzu (a Chinese) said that quite plainly in the Art of War. All that was on par with or even better than many other western-produced reports. Sadly I can live with that now. The part I'm really disappointed is the lack of professionalism in the journalism of this video. Why a country was able to or wasn't able to build high-speed trains is a complicated question; responsible journalism should convey that message. When this report talked about China's advantages, it mentions cheap labor and material, easy land acquisition, less strict environmental law and political will of the government. They're all true but not the whole truth (think about the sworn testimony -- the "whole truth" and "nothing but the truth" are important). Like many have pointed out, it doesn't explain why many countries with all/many of the above couldn't do it. When the report talked about the fact that many lines operate at a loss, it only mentioned Xinjiang and Tibet, which comprises a tiny fraction of the high-speed lines. The Chinese government, central and regional, does care about the ability to mobilize people thereby to vitalize the economy, and high-speed train brings cities much closer to one another due to their capacity, punctuality, and carbon footprint, all of which exceeds the simple calculation of profitability. Due to Asia's high population and population density, airplanes and cars simply aren't the solution. While many western articles have already painted the scary picture of 1.4 billion Chinese owning cars, this report failed to mention than trains are likely the only option available. Some argued that DW always takes a critical viewpoint towards things. I don't find it a convincing argument. For example, why didn't they criticize about Europe's 10 Euro flights? If Europe cares so much about carbon footprint, why don't the governments tax more on the airlines and compensate the trains. I'm no policy expert and this might sound naive to some folks, but as an average audience, this could be a good topic to educate people like me. Yet, DW failed to do any of that. As an American resident I have more things to rant about trains and public transportation policies in the US but I'm not gonna elaborate.
Western media has a habit of somehow portraying anything non Western in a negative light. Imagine China's achievement was done by the USA? These Western media will report it often and mention it always in a positive tone. Unfortunately we've to live with this bias
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Totally agree! As I always asked my German colleagues, why doesn't your government invest the public transportation if you people care so much about environmental protection?
The most ironic thing for us is that they have spent $300millions a day for 20 years none stop in Afghanistan with a whole 300K Afghanistan military payroll, if it costs $20million to build a Km of high speed rail ways, US could have built over 100,000 KMs of HS railway net work by now on this single ridiculous expenses on Afghanistan along, let along other expenses on Iraq, Syria, numerous military exercises on South China Sea. What a waste on my tax money!
they have spend in weapons (to deploy bombs and test and practice in afghanistan) but not in human resource according to figures otherwise afghan would have fought taliban
this totally changed our life style. 15 years ago when I was a university student, I had to book train (slow) ticket at least one week before and took 30 hours between Beijing and Chengdu . now when I suddenly want to go to a city by HSR from Beijing, I can book the ticket at any time since the trains between major cities is like bus. every
I press the dislike button because the western medias always distorted China, for example, they didn’t tell their audience whole story China government paid 4-6 times prices for relocating their citizens which the medias always try to miss it . In China, there is a word called “ relocation generation “ , all of them got super rich overnight by the relocation programs, those rare nail people just too greedy and they wanted at least 100 millions, or refused to move . also China high speed rail laborers not cheap at all , they got at least 4000 -5000 dollars per month, according Chinese price, that’s very decent payment. Don’t try to find so much excuses for your corrupted systems, facts are facts, admit them and correct them . Or just ignore them
I traveled in China by planes and by high speed trains many many times but never had any experience of delays. Chinese airports are fantastic and high speed train stations are super modern. The reason why take high speed train is they are comfortable and you can have a good experience with beautiful scenery while plane journey is boring.
Well, I think DW has never been to China since the last time before 2008 Beijing Olympics. DW doesn't know that China has changed faster than they (DW) can blink.
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@@acidset Possibly, but many Americans think the car was an American invention and some state that is what they learned at school. Possible a confusion because of Ford making the first affordable mass-produced car ;-)
“ruthless about relocating residents” was true in the very past, like 15 years ago, when violent demolition was abused. This video does not tell you that those demolition households are usually very happy because they will get both relocated houses (yes not only one) and cash (equal to ~50 year of location average salary). These numbers are from my experience living in a small and normal city. And people usually will bargain with the government to get more compensation. However, there are cases that they are too greedy that in the end, the government decided to detour their land.
The western media always hide the compensation part to make China looks bad and unreasonable. Whose ancestors went round the world in the last 200 yrs to rob, loot, murder and massacre the natives ? Exaggerate the negative side of China and downplay the achievement to make western
My friend was "ruthlessly" relocated from his 2 houses, with the ground floor being shops. He was "ruthlessly" compensated, with 4 flats (one for each floor) and 2 shop units in the new complex being built there. They are also paying for his rent while the complex is being build. He's thinking of retirement at 38. It's not the 80's, this is capitalism baby.
The so called high compensation is not common at all in whole China. Maybe in some rich regions. You can't fool the world with some cases. So many Chinese giant-city residents think their cities are representative of the whole China, which is not true.
When the Americans failed to do it, it is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. These so called experts are real FUBU.
@@Cam-nq8br traditional Chinese values always there, its core is inclusive and changing. its changing over time for adapting new environment. People like you need to learn more to understand China well, otherwise your comments will make you appear uneducated and boring
Getting your house in the way of a project is literally striking gold in China, you are heavily compensated while believe it or not the law is on your side (illegal to remove people against their will). The nail houses are the few residents who hold out for literally millions.
It's true. US government spend money on wars and paying for local soldiers and contractors . Example like Afghanistan, money spent $3 trillion dollars. With this money US could build railway network as big as China. Now Biden realised the misopporunity and called for approval budget of trillion dollars for infrastructures and railways.
this video only discussed the long distance travelling but the real beneficial here is for the people who are constantly traveling in short distance I used to drive from my city to the provincial capital city and it took 4 hours, nowadays 79 mins on the bullet train
@@poorang900 for the line between shanghai and beijing, every day only 4 trains that have 5 stops, which take 4.5 hours. rest of trains would take almost 6 hours, which have more stops. i can't remember how many trains a day, but definitely more than 10 trains a day.
Also helps to alleviate some of the problems of their internal passport system hukou (of course the best thing would be to get rid of it entirely but they're not doing that anytime soon)
@@recordkeepingandinformatio8206 hukou system could trace its root back to almost 800 years BC. so how to reform it or even get rid of it always a big topic in china. not light, easy topic or task.
I press the dislike button because the western medias always distorted China, for example, they didn’t tell their audience whole story China government paid 4-6 times prices for relocating their citizens which the medias always try to miss it . In China, there is a word called “ relocation generation “ , all of them got super rich overnight by the relocation programs, those rare nail people just too greedy and they wanted at least 100 millions, or refused to move . also China high speed rail laborers not cheap at all , they got at least 4000 -5000 dollars per month, according Chinese price, that’s very decent payment. Don’t try to find so much excuses for your corrupted systems, facts are facts, admit them and correct them . Or just ignore them
DW, your ability to spin everything negative about China amaze me. I am here to get some facts on trains and why you have to retort to your usual biases anti China narrative? What you are trying to achieve?
@@thastayapongsak4422 no. if china has the best high speed rail system then china has the best high speed rail system. just like if a country is the best at something then that country is the best at something. get it?
When I work outside of Fuzhou city inside Fujian Province as a visiting Construction Manager to a Japanese-Chinese company... Every weekend we go to other cities to tour and sometimes we also go to some big cities away from us like Nanjing, Shanghai, Guangdong, and Shenzen... One time we even went to Beijing and the cost of travel to Beijing via HSR is not more than 500 USD back and forth, and we only spend around 250-300 USD on street foods and on local buses and trains... That's like you're living somewhere in Florida and you decided to visit NYC on weekends and you only spend less than 1k... I was flabbergasted at how cheap, efficient, clean and convenient everything on China
It's slightly critical and presents real problems but also acknowledges the achievements and benefits seems balanced to me but of course if you don't praise emperor Pooh 24/7 the 50 cent army will start spamming with their poor English
When the Americans failed to do it, its is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. These so called experts are real FUBU.
Probably cuz people are able to have their voices heard here in the U.S and are able to protest against its construction not only without harm, but with considerable effect. Meanwhile, in China, you'll be shot on the spot or sent to some gulag out in West China if you even try to speak out against the highspeed rail.
@@ragingshibe stop spreading false information. You do not know what you are saying. People LOVE being evicted by the government because they are compensated very highly, you can look this up. There is even one case where a woman tried to gouge the government so they just built around her house instead, you can also look this up on youtube. Also, can you send a video of someone against high speed rail in america? All I see are people complaining about your shitty mass transport.
In China there is a thing called nail houses, this shows real property rights. If in the US or West. Those guys would have been removed. No building highways around those houses.
They give it a fancy word called enminen domain when the government want to take it by force otherwise you are just renting because you will be paying property tax forever.
When the Americans failed to do it, its is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. These so called experts are real FUBU.
But if you pay atttentions to geopolitical issues you will soon be very clear that Germany is not a country with full sovereign. Actually there are very few countries in the world that has full sovereign. What was Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay said about NATO again? "keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down"
Wish India will wake up and start contributing again in the advancement of humankind progress. I wish one day I am at the hospital and I am saved by some great new indian discover medicine or a new indian developed machine.
I dont know about indians in india, but indians in oversea are great people, cunning but great! its sad to see such a old civilization stuck in the 80s while sucking up to its anglosax masters.
- "China is future." Did you choose to make such a vague comment so that no one could argue against it? (One can't argue against something that doesn't actually mean anything.) Regarding you being from India, considering recent military incidents between India and China, I think I'd be pretty safe to bet on just about anything that you actually are not from India.
4:49 Oh yes, I wish I could be "swept" like those guys... For real you guys need to research more on this topic. The government gives you a new apartment + a very big amount of monetary compensation, this is literally like hitting a lotery ticket for a lot of people.
Went to Shanghai pre-pandemic and though some of the queues appeared quite daunting, the wait times were rather quick due to their efficient processing...something TSA and US customs can't seem to figure out.
The report is supposed to praise China's achievement. I find that it is still painted with a tint of orientalism and cynicism. It alleged that lands are just taken by the government without caring of the people, while the video shows roads bypassing lands of those who refused to move. So obviously lands are not just heartlessly taken. From what i learned, people are simply better compensated when their lands are taken. Building rail lines that are unprofitable is most likely to help develop remote/underprivileged areas, but is described as for geopolitical purpose. Since when developing a poor area of one's country is defined as for geopolitical purpose? I long for the time when the West does not report the Colored with superiority complex and see sinister motives behind our actions.
The western media intentionally hide the compensation part to make China looks bad and unreasonable, and create negative impression in the minds of the innocent viewers and readers.
It's ok. The more they keep brainwashing their people to hate China and its system, the harder it will be for them to learn from and emulate China's system. Which is what they should be doing like how China learned from and emulated the Wests systems to make China not only competitive, but now superior to the west. The west system is failing all over the world, and by the time they report fairly on China it will be too late and China will be too strong for them to sanction or attack. If you do not know your enemy, then you can never beat them. Of course China does not see the west or USA as enemy, but USA sees China as one which is why USA keeps attacking China and China only defends and never goes on the attack to try to divide or collapse USA from within like USA and west does to China.
if china can do such a reasonable thing with good reasons, then how could mainstream media to calm American votoers down when USA gdp per capita is 6 times higher than China.
By 2019 Chinese railways company made 120 bi usd profit according to their investor relations report. Meanwhile chinese high speed trains made 4 billion USD profit. So they definitely doesn't have major budget issue, in contrast of that said at 6:20 . Cross subsidy is a good public management practice in reality. Many countries do it in various sectors, like mail services, water supplies and even transportation. The most profitable routes are slightly higher charged to pay the deficit of other routes. Economic integration is a very important matter to make regions prosper. China have scale to allow it at high speed trains, so it's not a issue. They are creating an opportunity to distant area citizens be able to prosper, why does western world see it as a bad thing? They could easily make a cross subside between high speed and conventional if needed. High speed train is way more environmental friendly than airplanes.
True, and should keep in mind that car runs on road for which we do not ask the car driver to pay... so it is normal that the train track (like the road line) are paid by the government. No reason that the road are to use for free, but that the train track has to be paid to use.
I press the dislike button because the western medias always distorted China, for example, they didn’t tell their audience whole story China government paid 4-6 times prices for relocating their citizens which the medias always try to miss it . In China, there is a word called “ relocation generation “ , all of them got super rich overnight by the relocation programs, those rare nail people just too greedy and they wanted at least 100 millions, or refused to move . also China high speed rail laborers not cheap at all , they got at least 4000 -5000 dollars per month, according Chinese price, that’s very decent payment. Don’t try to find so much excuses for your corrupted systems, facts are facts, admit them and correct them . Or just ignore them
Are some of the presenters too dumb to understand the difference between Accounting profit and Economic profit? This is where the West is going wrong. Mass transport is a public good, much like highways. Have you heard of non Toll roads making a profit? If not why do countries build them? China is successful in building out its Rail network because it treats Rail the same as roads. It is there to facilitate Economic Growth, thus Economic Profit! Duh!
Oh they understand. But it's not politically correct to say anything positive without heavy editorials about the evil government and human rights abuses even though the topic is about improving the citizens quality of living.
@@markuc they are not allowed to say certain things, yet they claim they have freedom of speech. If you ask them why, they will tell you they are different 🤮
I was one of the first passenger of China highspeed train when they first started and in 2019 I came back to China and ride them again. It's absolutely a blast.
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@@S2Tubes lol as if airports aren’t subsidized Also there’s nothing wrong with running “at a loss” Transportation is a public service and should be treated as such rather than as a business.
@@uhohhotdog In almost all developed countries, roads are subsidised, fuel are subsidised, fossil fuel companies are probably subsidized, car companies might also be subsidized, airlines are also subsidized... The list go on and on. You should be thankful China is leading in high speed rail and renewable technology at the range time.
They are doing it now. Before the pandemic, there was 38,000 km of hsr, it was about 40,000 km in late 2021. Their target of 70,000 km in 2035 is very much on target.
Not accurate at all. Shame on the several so-called experts appearing in this video. (1) Beside cheaper labor and material, China has developed a whole set of technology to build high-speed rail more effciently. There are many other countries where labor and material are even cheaper, why are not those countries able to build high-speed rail? (2) In China, if people have to be moved to construct the rail, they are well compensated by the government, and thus they tend to cooperate. In fact, we witnessed protests by local people where the high-speed rail was NOT planned to go across their land.
because they (the west) have to find a way to sabotage anything china do, they cannot accept (subconsciously?) that there are things china does better. it’s interesting that the reporter is probly a (white-washed) chinese (happa?).
"There are many other countries where labor and material are even cheaper" Name 1 of them that has the amount of resources China has. You Chinese are so sensitive.
@@kkon5ti Okay, then, you tell me why other countries do not have this, do not have that, and blah blah blah all kinds of excuses. It is very simple: China has won the competition with firm will, smart strategy, and hard work.
@@noobestofdamall You miss the whole point. Able to build high-speed rail is a matter of determination and decades of efforts, which is certainly not possible in your pathetic country.
To evaluate the profitability of a high speed train line, westerners only look at if the line has made profits. The Chinese lot at it another way, a high speed train between 2 cities may not be profitable in the short term, but in the long term it will boost the economy of all the cities along that line, bringing more development hence more tax revenues overall. The short term focused ideology of the west is mindboggling
For this one time I see a DW title and think it's actually going to make some high-quality videos that are objective about China, but when I click in and watch it, it's still full of political prejudice bullshit. WELL DONE DW.
@@jetsamjetsam you are right, even they moved most moral part, china paid a lot to those villigers, but this video is still accepting china finally did something sucessful
Profitability? Chinese national rail network is built by state owned companies with taxpayers' money meant to make people's lives more convenient. It's public property like so many other city infrastructure. Do people argue over the profitability of sidewalks?
5:51 China doesn’t have eminent domain or similar concept hence the you can see highway swirl around a single family house like shown already in this video. My American colleague told me about this before I know the term eminent domain. 6:31 Well it is a typical western perspective. The high speed rail network runs more than 36,000 KM in length and how much is it built in Xinjiang? The LAN-XIN line in Xinjiang runs only 1775KM. HSR pays itself in terms of great economic impact to the society not in terms of China Railway‘s balance sheet. China didn't built the 2nd largest economy by prioritize politics over economy. Economy is their fundamentals.
Flight delays, including huge delays, do happen in China, just like in any other country, but they are just exceptions rather than rules, there is a Dutch saying: exception confirms the rule! Don't mislead your audiences by amplifying exceptional incidents!
My home town in China, population less than 300k 20 years ago, built a highway inside the city that has 12 lanes, over 80 meters wide, and everybody was criticizing the local government for wasting money. Today we’re all thankful. Someone has a long term vision.
I travel a lot in China I do not ageee with the narrative that travel by air sucks in China. In fact, if you take SZ airlines, they are 97% on time. One irresponsible remark or single experience does not count.
The main reason why China has so much HSR is because the government wants it. If the EU or US really wanted it too they could achieve it for sure. The money is there but sadly they aren’t really trying.
True, if even a country like China which has the population density and enough large cities concentrated in an small enough area is making a loss on the high speed rails, there’s no way on Earth the EU and US would invest in high speed railways. Although I think maybe if the EU was more United they could consider linking countries together, but I’d think they would still have trouble maintaining a railway that could potentially lose tens of millions of dollars a year
Why don't you mention that those who move out will receive millions of compensation from the government? Why can't you media always report the facts objectively? I was shocked
There is an old Chinese saying: If you want to get rich, you must first build roads. The Chinese government has done it and the people have become rich. Although the high-speed rail itself is losing money, the economy of this region has improved a lot, and the whole is actually profitable.
You had me in the first half, DW. Things to research: railway construction standardization, government compensation for relocation, socioeconomic benefits of infrastructure beyond profitability.
I went to China with my boss who owns million dollar business. I was shock when he choose HSR to travel from Beijing to Zhengzhou instead of first class airplane. The train is excellent and on time, we could travel back to Beijing at night. Saving your time a day for your business trip.
The high-speed train from Beijing to Zhengzhou takes about two and a half hours, and the flight takes about an hour. But the airport is far from the city, and Zhengzhou high-speed railway station is near the CBD. Besides, the high-speed trains have a high frequency of 20 minutes, wide legroom, and 5G network coverage throughout the train to facilitate communication. So a large number of business people choose high-speed rail.
The main objetive of China High Speed Train System is to connect the country and promote social, industrial, economic integration. The profit is desirable but the objective of a government owned company. Trains go where are needed and not where they can make a buck. Social vc individual.
The cost argument is ridiculous. By that reasoning, the cost in China is half of the cost in EU, EU should have at least build half amount of railway relative to China.
its also the funding for the projects. the chinese government is willing to pay for the trains to be built with loans that wont get paid back for 100s of years.
Yeah, DW is making extremely biased and misleading videos about China, as usual. First saying China has been ruthless about relocating residents, well they never tell you most of these residents relocated voluntarily, some were even begging to relocate. Why? Because Chinese government compensated tons of money for taking their lands, and their lands in rural areas are worthless. Comparing to millions of people who happily relocated with big money in their pocket, those who refuse to move are just a fraction. Then implying China's HSR projects and steel production create lots of pollutions, in fact China produces less pollutions per capita than many countries, and it's becoming the leading country in clean energy. The statement of commercial airlines being blocked by Chinese military in order to make trains more popular is total bullshit, airlines are affected by weather, mechanical failure, human errors and crowded airport much more than the military, there are still millions of Chinese travel by flight everyday. More people prefer high speed trains because it's cheap, comfortable and always on time even in worst weather. Every time west media talked about Chinese trains they always say it's not profitable, wrong again, some lines are profitable, some lines are not, but overall it boosted the economy and gives huge tax in return, definitely a good investment for the country.
how is it biased? it is literrally critiquing the obstacles europe has to implement better HSR. Saying why china has the best hsr network also means you can't point out the things that wouldn't work elsewhere? If it's not praising inconditionally it's biased????? what?
@@ouicertes9764 Did you even watch the full video? The title said China has the best HSR, the content said pretty much the opposite, pretending to praise China's accomplishment, hypocrite as usual. I don't mind people critiquing on China and I have no problem with whatever they said about European railways, but I do mind media critiquing China based on lies and misinformation. Considering the fact DW, a large public media funded by German government has been doing things like this for years, made me question their true purpose. Journalism is dead, people don't care about truth anymore, they just want to hear what they like to hear.
@@ZZ-qu7bq cant blame germany for being US's lapdog, they got US army in their country that can overthrow the gov withnin hours, and also Germany havent got it easy lately with sanctions by dealing with the russian pipeline.
@@ftu2021 I definitely blame Germany, both the people and the government, not to defend China but as a human being who care about the future of our planet. Germany has been the leader of EU for decades and EU is not weak in terms of military and economy, but they seem not doing much to make EU more united and independent, and they still let US dominates their public opinions and policy making, they have also been supporting US atrocities all around the world for years
@@ouicertes9764 You have never watched the video seriously. They said that China's railway construction was relentlessly forced to relocate. In fact, we are all eager to relocate so that we can get a lot of money from the government. Some people even build houses deliberately in order to get government money. Expropriated by the government. Because the money you get from the government can completely buy one or several houses in big cities, the people in the video are reluctant to move because they want more money from the government and they are insatiable. You don't understand the harm of inconspicuous little bit of infinite magnification!
Germany actually used to have the fastest train at some point. Privatization of DB and the automobile lobby are a huge roadblock for rail infrastructure.
Lol automotive lobby has little to do with Germany being car-centric like the US as Germany's biggest automotive consumer are located in Asia, far away from German borders That being said, the perpetrators for it is left-wing politicians from parties like SPD who despises public transport and heavily supported car-centric cities
@@talibjalloh928 In fact, in the propaganda of the Chinese media, the Germans are the most rigorous. Their trains are never late. They are accurate to the second. So many Chinese complain that China's trains are not as good as Germany's. Some Chinese living in Germany have posted their objections on the Internet, but they have been scolded by local Chinese.
true. by building expansive infrastructure, the cost should be expected to be collected from taxes, as better infrastrucutre leads to higher efficiency and hence more MONEY.
USA just spent 20 years and 2.3 trillion dollars on a war in Afghanistan for nothing, and you worried about China not making money on their high speed train 😂🤣
I used to live in the same building as the lead engineer behind the Wuhan to Guangzhou high speed rail, it was the fastest in the world at the time. He told be that on one day he had to report to a government type guy that they were a little behind schedule, anyway, the very next next day he had 2000 new workers on sight and ready to go. Shout out to Jan from Germany, hope you are doing alright mate.
@@aiman9088 that’s why west is left behind. When Deng xiaoping first visited japan in 1980s, he brought media and order them to report the real japan -advanced and rich, so the Chinese can motivate themselves to improve their country. Now look at the west media, they are lying to their own ppl and burry their head in sand
Cheap materials??? Hahahahaha. They have the best railway system on earth and this lady says its cheap material. Its not cheap. Its just taxed less, this is the case.
It's impossible. If we use Chinese workers and products, it only costs 50% of the war cost. If we use American designers and workers, it will cost 10 times the war cost. If we use the Chinese government system, it will take 15 years. If we use the American government's system, it will take 15 years. The system takes 150 years
06:59 I think the several so-called experts appearing in this video suck so much. An important true reason for the frequent delay of Chinese flights especially along the coast area is: The US air force, which is based in Japan or South Korea, frequently send reconnaissance planes close to the Chinese coast, and I think you should know their mission. The fact is that whenever such a plane is sent to the Chinese coast, the Chinese air force HAS TO react, i.e. clear the sky by putting all commercial airplanes on the ground for a while, so the military airplanes can do their job. Unfortunately, many major Chinese cities locate along the coast, such as Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and etc, so yes, we have many delayed flights. I live in Shanghai. I used to complain about the delayed flights too, but after I learned about this fact, I simply shut up. In fact, the flights going to the western part of China are typically on time.
US recon planes routinely pretend to be passenger aircraft by tweaking their transponders. I used to not believe it until they got caught a couple times and media laid out the duration and codes they were using.
Another side note: China Air Force doesn’t respond every single time as a strategy. Testing China’s air defense command chain and the reaction speed is part of those RC-135’s mission. Depends on the situation, they might decide not scramble a fighter to intercept. Source: a retired military guy said this on TV.
That is not the reason, c'mon now you are smarter than that. Besides, the US gets quite a bit of reconnaissance planes on its west coast with no such delays to be seen.
@@joemon5650 Interesting note ... please tell me who sent those recon planes to the west coast of US. Is it Canada? Mexico? LOL. Now go back to your schoolwork, boy.
They said using cheap material too lol... But hey at least their imagination seems to have evolved from "slave labour", let's give them some credits for that tiny improvement eh 🤣
It is also a very shallow discussion. These experts feel that they don't know anything. They can only talk about some simple theories about China's migration population. Instead, technically, how did China absorb the technical experience of railways from many countries in the past 20 years, and finally made a major breakthrough to become the world's number one high-speed rail technology, and built the world's most powerful high-speed rail operation system, which can support 1 million users to buy tickets and book tickets every second during the Spring Festival. These technologies feel that there is nothing in the video, which is not as good as a small self-media program in China.
You miss the point. In the sino culture sphere, the role of the government is the overseer of the people. So it needs to anticipate the need of the people, so in this case building a modern, efficient and affordable public transport system was not determined by the market, but part of the government's national strategy. If it's a simple matter of need, then India would have had it first. India's economy had been ahead of China's for much of the 20th century...
@@markuc I fully agree with you that is a national strategy, because nearly all major railway companies are state-owned in China. And the strategy is not only based on political demand but more importantly the demand of people, the demand of economic growth. That is what I want to say. I don't know much about India's economy in the 20th, if India's railway can fulfil people's demand, why would a company build a new railway there. actually, there are fundamental differences between them.
@@markuc "India's economy had been ahead of China's for much of the 20th century..." for much of the 20th century India was either a colony or a socialist-like experiment field, while China was either in civil war or was undergoing some very strange social-engineering experiment; both countries were pretty much on par economically
Wow… gotta applaud the shade and anti-China speech in this piece… you’ve managed to pull. Cecilia Han Springer (the airhead): “they take massive amounts of steel and aluminum and other carbon intensive materials….” How else would they do it? Pressed tofu?
Here in America I took a train from Chicago to Cleveland in 8 hours. It was slow, very loud and I got reports of shots being fired at in the train station of Chicago and in Cleveland. Yeah… that’s good ole USA.
When we look at infrastructure (electric grid, trains, water systems...) USA look as a third world country... Yeah, also when we look at the political and voting system... Still, USA has some great company and great technology. But USA should wake up, and start to clean their shit, otherwise they will soon be far behind China. And I am not sure that selecting leading people at government and company according to their skin color is the best way to push your country forward.
How is the high-speed rail system where you live?
Why don't you ask the great Deutsche Bahn?
There's none. Hahahhaa
@@iche9373 Deutsche Bahn, most unreliable train network in the world.
@@andy.8444 Yea, the Deutsche Bahn. Especially for its punctuality, because if it doesn't, the third world war will start. lol
Die ICE wäre schon längst ein Level weiter, wenn die nicht vermehrt auf exklusiv 1. Klassenwaggons und Luxus fixiert wäre.
Viele Menschen wollen einfach nur von A nach B - und deswegen brauchen wir einfach nur mehr Sitzplätze, bodenständig und funktionell, und nicht Elitär exklusiv.
The total costs of China high speed rail is 1/4 of the costs of Iraq war. USA has money but never spend on their people.
You are wrong.
There are 2 challenges here, property rights and efficient air travel.
Its much harder and expensive to take land by resumption (force) in US.
And air travel already works well.
So why do it in most parts of USA?
Also, USA can't just rip off Siemens and Kawasaki tech, they would need to pay for it.
@@happyhappynuts Barely, the airline and car industry in the US lobby projects like high speed rail, air travel in places like from SF-LA is just garbage because of the boarding and CO2 emissions, and if you dont want to fly you have to go for a 6 hour drive, the state decided to make a high speed rail to connect the two cities yet it's being lobbied the hell out and politicians stealing money, it's already inflated to over $100B from it's starting 25B
We dont need high speed all over the US, thats ridiculous, we just need it in between places that have high demand, (too close to fly but too long to drive), SF-LAX is a good example, Houston-Dallas is another, which is under co, Tampa-Orlando-Miami is another, but you're right about the strict property rights, DC-NJ-NY-BOS has high speed done by Amtrak but it only reaches it's full speed for like 40 minutes due to outdated tracks and bridges, they have purchased new high speed trains capable of 320KP/H (200MPH) by French Alstom. Track upgrades are also expected sometime later, wouldn't be surprised if it gets lobbied
@@Racko. 100% correct, it makes sense for short trips with density like LAX-SFO. But it makes no sense for example cross country.
@@happyhappynuts Yup! Which is the entire point of high speed rail, to connect places not too far but also not too close
@@happyhappynuts China did pay for the technology of the Siemens and Kawasaki.
The reason why the Chinese government does not consider the loss of operating high-speed rail is that each year, high-speed rail drives more than one billion people across the country, and the economic growth behind this far exceeds the losses incurred by HSR operations. However, foreign railway companies are privately owned, and they will not sacrifice their own interests for the reasons of national economic development. Therefore, the success of China's HSR won't be replicated in terms of both construction scale or ticket prices in western countries easily.
Right for America, but not for European countries.
@Arch Stanton In the EU the issue is less money, and more high speed rail requiring to cross national borders... which is not always possible since different countries rarely collaborate for the several years of construction.
For example, the Turin-Lyon line has been in the works for decades, as on top local resistance, it has to content with changes in the political makeup and willpower of Italy and France. The Five Star Movement, with 37% of seats in Parliament and part of all three Italian governments since the last election, is extremely hostile to high speed rail, as its populist platform describes them as a waste and damage to the territory compared to normal trains.
Western capitalist will eat themselves from inside
Economically sound, much more than politically. Well, the west would keep thinking politically of everything in China...they should change their.mindset, especially the lady from US...
@Arch Stanton I dont know about those other countries, but in Norway the borgouise regime have privatized the national rail system making rail travel much more costly and reduced number of trains and highly inconvenient with the ever changing multiple private rail services that "wins" the bids.
The US lost the $2T Afghanistan war in utter humiliation.
With less cost China built 38,000km HSR, 7,800km subways, and 140,000km freeways in the same time frame.
Please stop feeling sorry for China not making good profits from building infrastructures.
Cannot blame western media.
Money is just a system anyhow. Westerners treat money like life or death.
American have problem about having good public infrastructure, healthcare, prison system and schooling because those things dont make alot of money in short term.
Trillions weren't entirely wasted though. The term military industrial complex is so intertwined with the US economy one simply can not go without another. Majority of these monies stay in US and fuel the economy. However, interest on these borrowed monies alone means hundreds of billions of dollars, whether or not that's bad depends on how one looks at it.
Those chinese companies are also state owned, so even if they were loosing profit in the short term, they will still make the high speed rails if the government sees long term profit and wants to benefit the common people.
Why does almost all western media, never give credit to China 🇨🇳 even when it’s doing good 🤔?
They're jealous
Double standards
Sore loosers
desperate
Thing is the Chinese highspeed rail system is actually really bad in terms of maintenance. Not to mention that the trains suck.
China did not built the railway for profit but for the benefit of the whole nation
OK,good for you.
Yes, China's building projects all throughout its history have been infrastructure - canals, irrigation, dams, roads - to benefit the people.
Yeah Tibetans will “benefit” by the arrival of the CCP goons in large numbers.
@@XinaCCPFreeTibet that is why you are so upset. PLA killed the slave owner only but made majority of the Tibetan live a better lives while European killed all the natives .
I press the dislike button because the western medias always distorted China, for example, they didn’t tell their audience whole story China government paid 4-6 times prices for relocating their citizens which the medias always try to miss it . In China, there is a word called “ relocation generation “ , all of them got super rich overnight by the relocation programs, those rare nail people just too greedy and they wanted at least 100 millions, or refused to move . also China high speed rail laborers not cheap at all , they got at least 4000 -5000 dollars per month, according Chinese price, that’s very decent payment. Don’t try to find so much excuses for your corrupted systems, facts are facts, admit them and correct them . Or just ignore them
If Chinese HSR is fully profit driven , then there won’t be any that goes to Tibet or Xinjiang … ever. HSR is like a blood vein that’s provide nutrients to parts of your body. HSR simply will help facilitate development. China thinks long term, that’s so wise .
I hope England will confront china for compensation as we taught them how to build trains and railways
@@johnbuffaloiam9741 for High Speed Rail ? England ? I mean I don’t want to sound rude, England’s high speed rail is not even considered “high speed” in Chinese standard
@@wisl8122 we have hs2
We invented virgintrains
@@johnbuffaloiam9741 you dont have hs2 , you are going to have hs2 in 10+years. ( estimates phase 1 completion 2033)
Again I really hate to embarrass you , Virgin train goes top speed 140mph ,that speed is not even qualified to be named “ high speed rail” in China ( HSR in China must go at least 155mph) . I am sorry
@@johnbuffaloiam9741 I hope China will confront England for compensation as we taught them how to make gunpowder, compass, paper etc
When I lived in China for a year I can't even recount how many times I've travelled on HSR but all I have to say for it is that it's amazing! Supreme comfort with loads of legroom (me as a 185cm Dutch person could easily stretch my legs and still room to spare in second class carriage). From Beijing to Chengdu (about 1800km) took 7 hours with only 3 stops for 80 euros. It's so efficient, if Europe had this it would be amazing for leisure travel and good for European economies as well.
gladly you used the wording "European economies", not "European economy". since firstly there is no such thing called "european economy", secondly if there was one, then this fictional "euroepan economy" would have been much stronger than all of "European economies" combined.
I was planning to travel on rail from Paris to Lisboa in 2019 so I can enjoy the views and see a few cities along the way. But the system is so fragmented it would be very expensive and time consuming I ended up only ride to Nice and flew to Lisboa. It's a shame.
@@afunguynamedkawhi7959 The situation in Europe is different for it is composed of many economies rather than a single entity like China.
@@afunguynamedkawhi7959 well, that connection is especially troublesome because the Iberian peninsula (Spain and Portugal) have a different width of traintrack than the rest of Europe, the Spanish and Portuguese tracks being some 20 centimeters wider. This means that at the border you don't just need to change locomotive but the entire train complicating things massively and that there is no possibility of a direct train from say Amsterdam through Paris to Madrid and Lisboa.
This is not china. China is too poor. This must be in america. Fake news
DW's sh**ty comment on how China made this great project: "cheap labor"... Hey DW, do you know where you can find cheap labor? In India, so why don't they have this too? The contradiction of Western explanations are incredible. Westerners always compare prices between nations in such a light way, but never take into consideration the PPP (Purchasing power parity).
India has cheap labour, But not as cheap as China. And unlike India, China also has access to cheap raw materials.
I press the dislike button because the western medias always distorted China, for example, they didn’t tell their audience whole story China government paid 4-6 times prices for relocating their citizens which the medias always try to miss it . In China, there is a word called “ relocation generation “ , all of them got super rich overnight by the relocation programs, those rare nail people just too greedy and they wanted at least 100 millions, or refused to move . also China high speed rail laborers not cheap at all , they got at least 4000 -5000 dollars per month, according Chinese price, that’s very decent payment. Don’t try to find so much excuses for your corrupted systems, facts are facts, admit them and correct them . Or just ignore them
agreed...
@@weizhang2834 chinese media always paints a false picture of america
they are just ashamed thay they can not do it xd
That girl doesn't really know much except the very superficial part of the network. I've seen a documentary where the Chinese government had to negotiate with local landowners for months to years by giving these landowners 2-3 apartments for a tiny part of their land. Several network railways were changed because the villagers protested when they initially accepted. That means it was more expensive to redirect the network route than the original plan. Some other networks were also redirected because the original harmed the local ecosystem. There were many obstacles, but found ways to solve these problems, not bulldozed their way like this girl claimed.
And high speed trains are not profitable anywhere in the world. It's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be provided for the citizens. The government never thought of profit when it comes to building these network. They were smarter. Laying out these network far benefits the overall economy and the convenience of people that the loss of profit from operation.
@@tejpalsingh8438 to finance these mega projects isn't easy without export money.
because they (the west) have to find a way to sabotage anything china do, they cannot accept (subconsciously?) that there are things china does better. it’s interesting that the reporter is probly a (white-washed) chinese (happa?).
It's one thing if there was pushback from commonfolk, but was there pushback within the Chinese Government?
Cuz the main reason why high-speed trains are harder to integrate in the U.S is cuz people who are against it have considerable backing in the government (mainly Republicans). So i'd imagine the only reason China is able to chern out all of these high-speed railways is due to the government overwhelmingly supporting it, sometimes even to the detriment of people who oppose it.
@@ragingshibe FYI - Non Chinese opposition don't count! Oh BTW, the US can't bomb China, unlike Afghanistan...
Some of those landowners are just straight greedy. A lot of them tried to milk as much money as they could even thought the local government have offered them a good amount of compensation + a new apartment.
I am a foreigner living in China since above 15 years.
When I arrived China trains sucks very hard....
Now China train network is the best in the world... ultra fast, always on time (98% of the time), no strike (I am french... so many strikes in France), comfortable, not expensive... and except one accident at the very beginning of launching the network, no accident causing death in the last many billions people transported.
From Shanghai to Nanjing (300km away) in one day, in one way, there are above 300 trains... more high speed trains frequency than many metro system in many countries.
Congratulation China!
Looking forward there is 70.000km.
And these trains saved a crazy amount of CO2 emission!
No sir CO2 emission has not been address by high speed railway at all, because the electricity these train use to run comes from coal fired plant. 2060 is the year china is aiming to become carbon nurteal till then china is still a poluter of CO2.
@@beelee8627 dude, there is no lot of pollution or 0 pollution.
These trains run on electricity which a big part come from coal, but still that per passenger km pollute much less than if these people were taking cars or even worst using planes.
So it is a huge improvement, plus as China step by step get their electricity production emitting less and less CO2 per kwatt the trains will pollute less and less.
Have you ever wondered why "there are no strikes"?
@@frankdogui7195 All the strikers are genocided. I wish Americans are as brave and the British were and start a war against China with opium.
@@beelee8627 he is just a Chinese 50 cents internet “wolf worrier”
4:49 Ruthless? There is a common saying in China that if you got moved you'll get rich for the gov have to pay an apartment with equivalent size of your current one but values way more! ... wait...it's DW...nevermind
I was going to say that. It is just bias collected with rare cases. disgusting.
True! They pay hugeeee amounts for relocating people. Meanwhile in the US they just evict people whenever they want.
两岸猿声啼不住，轻舟已过万重山
树挪死， 人挪活
Lol my grandfather got 4 new houses by letting the gov demolish his old shabby house in the countryside. totally a win win
Travelled over four states starting with Beijing, Xian, Chongqing and finally Shanghai and that too with my ninety-five-year-old aunt. All I can say is one simple word, INCREDIBLE.
I have flown many times in China and never seen the delays like you mentioned. Yes the trains are excellent 😊
I have seen... and of course these delays are not the norms, but on average the Chinese high-speed train are always on time (maybe 98% of the time) while the planes are very very often delayed.
Me too, flown many times in China, longest delay I have had was probably 30mins. One weird thing was that you can fly direct to Lijiang from Shenzhen, but cannot fly back direct, you had to transfer at Kunming.
i suffer too much delays in china, only when i go to china its not delay, when i get out of china that where the real delays happen. 2 hours so far the longest.
It's getting better, it used to be that bad 10 years ago.
@@greentraveler4114 it's DW, what you expected? Lol. It's liked expecting some good point of view from BBC in China's topic which is impossible.
Well the main reason for this is because the Chinese rail companies don’t care whether they make a profit or continuous losses as long as they transport their people easily.
To recoup the capital investment on bullet train takes time and several years before making any profit,but with such a huge population it will eventually make profit.China always think in the long term.
The economic, social and cultural benefit of allowing 1 billion people to move quickly across the country far outweighs any profit. Individually, the railway sector has a deficit, but as it is public, the rest of society can easily sustain it
rail company built -->better railway--> economy growth--> more taxes-->gov put more money to company. This is how loop worked
Spain too
Rail company is just like the HR department that brings convenience to the staff and plays its role in the organisation yet is not expecting to bring in revenue and add profit to the corporation bottom line.
Are we going to close the HR department since it does not bring in revenue ?
By primarily depending on two China bashers, you are missing the key reason. "To become prosper, first build roads", that's a famous saying in China and one the government abides to. Yes this is political, but not just because they can, but as part of a sophisticated plan to lift people up economically. Seeing China through only ideology and faults will limit your perspective.
I'm amaze at how China emerge as superpower and the next leader in innovation and technological advancement. I do hope that my country would copy how china works the impossible. I love the country's ideology to improve and improve. What I only don't like is the political maneuver its been doing in the West Phil sea. I know history is their backing for such move but sharing the cake on the region and making it big shouod also be advertised by their smart leaders. Maybe if it's what they're showing it can gather more allies probably a lot.
@@ryanastillero4693 China is learning as it is re-emerging. I recall the elder statesman mahathir mohamad of Malaysia said during the height of the south China sea conflict, "We have lived with China for over 2,000 years. We have traded with China. They never conquered us... But the west, they speak eloquently, but tried to colonise us as soon as they discovered us". China intended to create a strategic buffer in the South China sea against the US. Almost all of its sea routes are through that area and it was being developed by other nations that are US friendly. But it bungled the diplomacy and marketing of its executing...China underestimated the power of the US aligned mainstream media and governments, especially the corrupt Aquino led one in the Philippines. It'll learn and do better. Conflict is the last thing China want.
@@ryanastillero4693 West Philippine Sea or South China Seas doesn’t matter because it is international waters and doesn’t belong to any country. Not China, not Vietnam, not Philippines. You are only allowed 12 miles territorial waters.
@@markuc so true
@@markuc Unlike USA, they understand war isn’t the solution to becoming powerful
If it came down to "cheap labor" then the best HSR networks would be in Vietnam, the Philippines (my country), India, Nigeria, Ethiopia etc. Developing countries with lower labor costs. No, this comes down to great engineering and good planning. Moreover, China has a millenia-old tradition of building infrastructure for the people. The longest canal still in use, the 1,100-km Grand Canal, is 1,400 years old. The oldest irrigation system still in use, the Dongjianwan, is 2,200 years old. Over the centuries, China's rulers spent relatively little on pleasure palaces and temples, and far more on infrastructure.
Ah yes great engineering and planning is definetely the reason and not the authoritarian free pass of being able to relocate any person's house or farm or office on any line with a flick of hand. In India HSR construction is b/w 2 states and land acquisition has not even been completed yet in one of them thanks to lobbyists and "environmentalists". Unfortunately the government doesn't own every piece of land in the country like China does.
Vietnam, india, Philippines do not have HSR😂
@@KijjiSale India has HSR but max speed is 160 km/h 😂
Don't know why India govt named normal train as HSR
@@s.msadat8383 India does not have HSR, a train travelling over the speed of 250km/hr is considered HSR
@@s.msadat8383 this tells you how things are judged in india , they are also they r a ricj superpower for a 3.7.trillion gdp for a 1.45 billion people
China : built railway to connect Xinjiang & Tibet to major industrial cities to improve the live of its citizens.
West : hey...thats politics
West: nOO!! you can't improve the lives of uyghurs and tibet people :((
If China don’t build HS rail to xinjiang and Tibet, western media will say Chinese Han discriminate against and oppress them.
China : Capture their lands, put millions in concentration camps and then built them a railway for further exploitation.
West: what about civil liberty and human rights.
China: what's that ,we don't have that here and and our society so censored that our people don't even know that these kind of things exists.
When the Americans failed to do it, its is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. These so called experts are real FUBU.
well it is. At that distance and cost to build the infrastructure railways dont make sense
I am puzzled ... I have been flying in China constantly for many years and there were extremely few delays. I had more delays in the US and Europe. China's flight schedules are perhaps as punctual as Japan's, based on my experience. Maybe DW is referring to the notorious Chinese flight delays of the 1990s. For your info, those days are history in China.
you know this is particually western media
I think the main problem is that people tend to get stuck with their "impression" of a certain place. So, it will take another decade or two before reality becomes a general knowledge.
@@Birdylockso Yeah, flight delay is pretty common in my childhood in China. I remembered one time I waited 6 hours in the airport for the plane to land. After that I just refuse to take a flight in China.
Well, I think the narrator/DW has never been to China since the last time before 2008 Beijing Olympics. DW doesn't know that China has changed faster than they (DW) blink.
1990's isn't that 3 generations gap according to Chinese growth rate lol
Congratulations to DW for able to paint a negative picture for China's high-speed railways.
As a Malaysian I am so impressed with western media recent years.
You guys should just rank your railway system no.1 because of lizard-friendly, and most importantly, approved by Greta.
I mean they're not painting it in a bad way. They're just saying in Germany they had to deal with Lizards and other environmental factors while in China these issues are not present
When the Americans failed to do it, its is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. These so called experts are real FUBU.
@@dodovomitory3496 The thing is the rail are usually build in farmland, where the endangered species are already gone for more than a thousand years, at least.
China citizen?
@PANDEMIC BY CCP AND XITLER You are an angry anti-China troll.
China's HSR network is astonishing & more important they achieved it within a decade. Kudos to engineers & workers who contributed this.
🤣 they aren't been design by chinese at all
@@RaySqw785 get over it . Chinese innovations have already made vast improvements to HSR design n engineering construction since last decade or so That is why they could build HSR better, faster n cheaper . That is why they could build HSR across the most complex n harshest terrains and geological conditions such as high mountains , low valleys , deserts, seas , cold tundra regions which other foreign companies have found too risky or technically impossible to build. Thats why more n more countries have turned to the chinese to build hsr /railways/ metro subways for them .. Egs the hsr in indonesia , saudi arabia and serbia-Hungary, the express rails in laos, ethopia n kenya , the metros in vietnam , turkey n moscow .Even india asked chinese for certain specific help for their metros lines .
The Saudis asked the chinese to build their lst hsr connecting medina to mecca after the other foreign companies told the saudis they found the project not feasible bcos of the loose shifting desert sands and daily sandstorms . However the chinese engineers were able to solve the problems and the hsr has been in operation since its completion several yrs ago.
@@nanyanguo1 "Chinese innovations" made my day
How ironic you guys mocking china but never realized things around you was "Made In China", yes china didn't invet all of that but you guys prob never heard "i study art of war, work to perfect it"
@@RaySqw785 who design then? indian ? lol Chinese hsr technology is ahead of the rest of the world and chinese companies have built for many countries n continue to be sought after by the global majority. They even built n completed the hsr on desert sand for saudi arabia from Mecca to Medina after no other foreign companies could do it.
Well, China is lucky to be able to build something, not for profit, but because it makes social sense. Thumbs up.
they aren't fools...They earn profits...just not directly by ticket...indirectly By the boost in economy trade and manufacturing less transportation time...Since ultimate goal is boosting the economy and progressing for china...either way the government earns profit
@@avisheksarraf2046 No, they aren't fools at all.
@@avisheksarraf2046 they can’t profit, it just provide economic boom in stations
You got it
There is no such thing as 'social sense' only real $ense. They stole millions of peoples property, municipalities went bankrupt, many stations and lines have already been mothballed. And only a couple of lines are self sustaining. All others are losing tremendous amounts of money every month and many lines will be shuttered in the coming years.
First things first, I think DW should be given some credit for this. I do agree with many others who commented that the tone here is still quite negative, but I doubt that the producers themselves feel this way - they probably think they did a pretty good job being objective and neutral. Their baseline about China is negative in the first place and they likely don't even feel it. Not having a true and objective view about your rival/competitor/enemy will come back to bite you one day; Sun Tzu (a Chinese) said that quite plainly in the Art of War.
All that was on par with or even better than many other western-produced reports. Sadly I can live with that now. The part I'm really disappointed is the lack of professionalism in the journalism of this video. Why a country was able to or wasn't able to build high-speed trains is a complicated question; responsible journalism should convey that message. When this report talked about China's advantages, it mentions cheap labor and material, easy land acquisition, less strict environmental law and political will of the government. They're all true but not the whole truth (think about the sworn testimony -- the "whole truth" and "nothing but the truth" are important). Like many have pointed out, it doesn't explain why many countries with all/many of the above couldn't do it. When the report talked about the fact that many lines operate at a loss, it only mentioned Xinjiang and Tibet, which comprises a tiny fraction of the high-speed lines. The Chinese government, central and regional, does care about the ability to mobilize people thereby to vitalize the economy, and high-speed train brings cities much closer to one another due to their capacity, punctuality, and carbon footprint, all of which exceeds the simple calculation of profitability. Due to Asia's high population and population density, airplanes and cars simply aren't the solution. While many western articles have already painted the scary picture of 1.4 billion Chinese owning cars, this report failed to mention than trains are likely the only option available.
Some argued that DW always takes a critical viewpoint towards things. I don't find it a convincing argument. For example, why didn't they criticize about Europe's 10 Euro flights? If Europe cares so much about carbon footprint, why don't the governments tax more on the airlines and compensate the trains. I'm no policy expert and this might sound naive to some folks, but as an average audience, this could be a good topic to educate people like me. Yet, DW failed to do any of that. As an American resident I have more things to rant about trains and public transportation policies in the US but I'm not gonna elaborate.
Best comment about HSR in China I see recently, even though I just realized it come from a years ago.
Western media has a habit of somehow portraying anything non Western in a negative light. Imagine China's achievement was done by the USA? These Western media will report it often and mention it always in a positive tone. Unfortunately we've to live with this bias
Good job man!
SIR MY INDIA IS THE REAL SUPERPOWER 🤗🇮🇳 WE HAVE THE BEST INFRASTRUCTURE AND HIGHSPEED RAIL 🤗🇮🇳 MEANWHILE IN CHINA PEOPLE STILL RIDE RICKSHAW EVERYWHERE AND THEY ALSO POOR DONT HAVE CAR . THIS WHY IM SO LUCKY LIVE IN SUPER INDIA THE CLEANEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD 🇮🇳🤗 , WE NEVER SCAM! WE GIVE RESPECT TO ALL WOMEN THEY CAN WALK SAFELY ALONE AT NIGHT AND WE HAVE CLEAN FOOD AND TOILET EVERYWHERE 🇮🇳🤗🚽, I KNOW MANY POOR PEOPLE JEALOUS WITH SUPER RICH INDIA 🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳
Totally agree! As I always asked my German colleagues, why doesn't your government invest the public transportation if you people care so much about environmental protection?
The most ironic thing for us is that they have spent $300millions a day for 20 years none stop in Afghanistan with a whole 300K Afghanistan military payroll, if it costs $20million to build a Km of high speed rail ways, US could have built over 100,000 KMs of HS railway net work by now on this single ridiculous expenses on Afghanistan along, let along other expenses on Iraq, Syria, numerous military exercises on South China Sea. What a waste on my tax money!
they have spend in weapons (to deploy bombs and test and practice in afghanistan) but not in human resource according to figures otherwise afghan would have fought taliban
I think intension of usa is good but unfortunately bad result came out
Defense companies are happy with the US war policy.
it's just a plot to transfer taxpayer money to 'defense' companies, there was never any good intention. their intention is to have never-ending war
I highly doubt you really live in the u.s.
According to DW
Bullet train pros and cons
Pros: efficient, fast and on time
Cons: bad for lizards
this totally changed our life style. 15 years ago when I was a university student, I had to book train (slow) ticket at least one week before and took 30 hours between Beijing and Chengdu . now when I suddenly want to go to a city by HSR from Beijing, I can book the ticket at any time since the trains between major cities is like bus. every
I press the dislike button because the western medias always distorted China, for example, they didn’t tell their audience whole story China government paid 4-6 times prices for relocating their citizens which the medias always try to miss it . In China, there is a word called “ relocation generation “ , all of them got super rich overnight by the relocation programs, those rare nail people just too greedy and they wanted at least 100 millions, or refused to move . also China high speed rail laborers not cheap at all , they got at least 4000 -5000 dollars per month, according Chinese price, that’s very decent payment. Don’t try to find so much excuses for your corrupted systems, facts are facts, admit them and correct them . Or just ignore them
Congratulations bro you people have goof politicians and leaders we have corrupt politicians only think of themselves
That's nice! I'm so envious :(
OMFG.
Your country deserved this
I traveled in China by planes and by high speed trains many many times but never had any experience of delays. Chinese airports are fantastic and high speed train stations are super modern. The reason why take high speed train is they are comfortable and you can have a good experience with beautiful scenery while plane journey is boring.
Well, I think DW has never been to China since the last time before 2008 Beijing Olympics. DW doesn't know that China has changed faster than they (DW) can blink.
SIR MY INDIA IS THE REAL SUPERPOWER 🤗🇮🇳 WE HAVE THE BEST INFRASTRUCTURE AND HIGHSPEED RAIL 🤗🇮🇳 MEANWHILE IN CHINA PEOPLE STILL RIDE RICKSHAW EVERYWHERE AND THEY ALSO POOR DONT HAVE CAR . THIS WHY IM SO LUCKY LIVE IN SUPER INDIA THE CLEANEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD 🇮🇳🤗 , WE NEVER SCAM! WE GIVE RESPECT TO ALL WOMEN THEY CAN WALK SAFELY ALONE AT NIGHT AND WE HAVE CLEAN FOOD AND TOILET EVERYWHERE 🇮🇳🤗🚽, I KNOW MANY POOR PEOPLE JEALOUS WITH SUPER RICH INDIA 🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳
@@indiasuperclean6969 lmao how much did modi pay you
@@indiasuperclean6969 How much does Godi pay you bruh? 😂
I love how the American says since: "... since we invented the car" on German TV... LOL
Wat?
Haha, exactly. Haven't they heard of Carl Benz?
I'm pretty sure she meant as humans
@@acidset Possibly, but many Americans think the car was an American invention and some state that is what they learned at school. Possible a confusion because of Ford making the first affordable mass-produced car ;-)
@@sgjoni quick to make assumptions and generalizations aren't you?
In Canada, I believe the fastest railway is called the CN Rail which takes about 6 days to get from Vancouver to Toronto.
Hahaha
Really?
Via Rail
😂😂😂
😭😭😂😂
“ruthless about relocating residents” was true in the very past, like 15 years ago, when violent demolition was abused. This video does not tell you that those demolition households are usually very happy because they will get both relocated houses (yes not only one) and cash (equal to ~50 year of location average salary). These numbers are from my experience living in a small and normal city. And people usually will bargain with the government to get more compensation. However, there are cases that they are too greedy that in the end, the government decided to detour their land.
The western media always hide the compensation part to make China looks bad and unreasonable.
Whose ancestors went round the world in the last 200 yrs to rob, loot, murder and massacre the natives ?
Exaggerate the negative side of China and downplay the achievement to make western
Not "their" land. No Chinese own the land in China legally, the land belongs to the central govt.
@@zx4337 is it like the British monarchy then?
My friend was "ruthlessly" relocated from his 2 houses, with the ground floor being shops. He was "ruthlessly" compensated, with 4 flats (one for each floor) and 2 shop units in the new complex being built there. They are also paying for his rent while the complex is being build. He's thinking of retirement at 38. It's not the 80's, this is capitalism baby.
The so called high compensation is not common at all in whole China. Maybe in some rich regions. You can't fool the world with some cases. So many Chinese giant-city residents think their cities are representative of the whole China, which is not true.
when you start using western value to judge every aspect of China and Chinese, mistakes are generating accordingly.
Youre right, the chinese way is the way of lies. Return to traditional Chinese values and then well talk
When the Americans failed to do it, it is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. These so called experts are real FUBU.
@@Cam-nq8br traditional Chinese values always there, its core is inclusive and changing. its changing over time for adapting new environment. People like you need to learn more to understand China well, otherwise your comments will make you appear uneducated and boring
@@Cam-nq8br yes the traditional western way is slavery, they should revert back to it then lets talk
@@Cam-nq8br return to Roman Empire tradition, then we talk
Getting your house in the way of a project is literally striking gold in China, you are heavily compensated while believe it or not the law is on your side (illegal to remove people against their will). The nail houses are the few residents who hold out for literally millions.
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"Forget USA,they barely has one"
😂😂😂😂😂😂I dont know why I laughed so hard.
A related but better joke though: US senators: China stole our high speed train technology!
Always a nail biter ，best one liner
It's true. US government spend money on wars and paying for local soldiers and contractors . Example like Afghanistan, money spent $3 trillion dollars.
With this money US could build railway network as big as China.
Now Biden realised the misopporunity and called for approval budget of trillion dollars for infrastructures and railways.
this video only discussed the long distance travelling but the real beneficial here is for the people who are constantly traveling in short distance
I used to drive from my city to the provincial capital city and it took 4 hours, nowadays 79 mins on the bullet train
Does it stop in every city or only in large cities?
@@poorang900 for the line between shanghai and beijing, every day only 4 trains that have 5 stops, which take 4.5 hours. rest of trains would take almost 6 hours, which have more stops. i can't remember how many trains a day, but definitely more than 10 trains a day.
Also helps to alleviate some of the problems of their internal passport system hukou (of course the best thing would be to get rid of it entirely but they're not doing that anytime soon)
@@recordkeepingandinformatio8206 hukou system could trace its root back to almost 800 years BC. so how to reform it or even get rid of it always a big topic in china. not light, easy topic or task.
I press the dislike button because the western medias always distorted China, for example, they didn’t tell their audience whole story China government paid 4-6 times prices for relocating their citizens which the medias always try to miss it . In China, there is a word called “ relocation generation “ , all of them got super rich overnight by the relocation programs, those rare nail people just too greedy and they wanted at least 100 millions, or refused to move . also China high speed rail laborers not cheap at all , they got at least 4000 -5000 dollars per month, according Chinese price, that’s very decent payment. Don’t try to find so much excuses for your corrupted systems, facts are facts, admit them and correct them . Or just ignore them
DW, your ability to spin everything negative about China amaze me. I am here to get some facts on trains and why you have to retort to your usual biases anti China narrative? What you are trying to achieve?
Suckin up to US masters obviously LOL
Negative? I think that's just you. This video was incredibly pro-China.
@@thastayapongsak4422 no. if china has the best high speed rail system then china has the best high speed rail system. just like if a country is the best at something then that country is the best at something. get it?
never mind, just tell youtube algorithm don’t recommend this fxckin channel to me.
DW is state-owned, what else do you expect?
When I work outside of Fuzhou city inside Fujian Province as a visiting Construction Manager to a Japanese-Chinese company... Every weekend we go to other cities to tour and sometimes we also go to some big cities away from us like Nanjing, Shanghai, Guangdong, and Shenzen... One time we even went to Beijing and the cost of travel to Beijing via HSR is not more than 500 USD back and forth, and we only spend around 250-300 USD on street foods and on local buses and trains... That's like you're living somewhere in Florida and you decided to visit NYC on weekends and you only spend less than 1k... I was flabbergasted at how cheap, efficient, clean and convenient everything on China
This video is so cynical about China's economy progress. It does not make you look more successful by saying the economy miracle being "so-called".
I'm not seeing any American coming here and whine about the video hurting their feelings.
@@GT-gw3rw maybe because this video is not biased against USA.
It's slightly critical and presents real problems but also acknowledges the achievements and benefits seems balanced to me but of course if you don't praise emperor Pooh 24/7 the 50 cent army will start spamming with their poor English
@@rowinrowinson8455 what real problem did it present?
When the Americans failed to do it, its is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. These so called experts are real FUBU.
Meanwhile in the US, they're bickering over a single highspeed rail and wasting money on shit like the hyperloop!
Hyperloop is another Nikola. Its meant to take advantage of newbie investors, jack the prices up and cash em out.
Probably cuz people are able to have their voices heard here in the U.S and are able to protest against its construction not only without harm, but with considerable effect.
Meanwhile, in China, you'll be shot on the spot or sent to some gulag out in West China if you even try to speak out against the highspeed rail.
@@ragingshibe stop spreading false information. You do not know what you are saying.
People LOVE being evicted by the government because they are compensated very highly, you can look this up. There is even one case where a woman tried to gouge the government so they just built around her house instead, you can also look this up on youtube.
Also, can you send a video of someone against high speed rail in america? All I see are people complaining about your shitty mass transport.
😆 🤣
@@Aka.Aka. mass transit is better than cars
In China there is a thing called nail houses, this shows real property rights. If in the US or West. Those guys would have been removed. No building highways around those houses.
They give it a fancy word called enminen domain when the government want to take it by force otherwise you are just renting because you will be paying property tax forever.
No nail houses here in South Australia, Australia. House owners receive mandatory moving notice when the state government is developing highways here.
In India there is zero mile of high speed railways as of 2021.
Thanks to siva sena in maharashtra
There is will be completed in 2027
A piece on China's HSR? I'm so intrigued to know just how DW could put a negative spin on the subject, and I gotta say, I wasn't disappointed. 😂
When the Americans failed to do it, its is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. These so called experts are real FUBU.
It is lazy journalism these days, China bad
Me too 😂 I thought it would have mentioned concentration camp or Tibet monks and all that. But they didn’t.
Taiwan is its own country 🇹🇼
But if you pay atttentions to geopolitical issues you will soon be very clear that Germany is not a country with full sovereign. Actually there are very few countries in the world that has full sovereign. What was Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay said about NATO again? "keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down"
China is future . Much respect from India.
Wish India will wake up and start contributing again in the advancement of humankind progress. I wish one day I am at the hospital and I am saved by some great new indian discover medicine or a new indian developed machine.
I dont know about indians in india, but indians in oversea are great people, cunning but great! its sad to see such a old civilization stuck in the 80s while sucking up to its anglosax masters.
Imagine, if we work together.
Hopefully not.
- "China is future."
Did you choose to make such a vague comment so that no one could argue against it? (One can't argue against something that doesn't actually mean anything.) Regarding you being from India, considering recent military incidents between India and China, I think I'd be pretty safe to bet on just about anything that you actually are not from India.
4:49 Oh yes, I wish I could be "swept" like those guys... For real you guys need to research more on this topic. The government gives you a new apartment + a very big amount of monetary compensation, this is literally like hitting a lotery ticket for a lot of people.
I would like to be a Chaiqian Hu (拆迁户), too
Yes, but many think: "if I just stick and try to annoy as much as I can, I can even squeeze more money so get hitting a double lottery ticket."
Chai er dai (拆二代） literally means that your family hitting the jackpot by "swept" by the government.
New apartments, plural, to be precise.
Went to Shanghai pre-pandemic and though some of the queues appeared quite daunting, the wait times were rather quick due to their efficient processing...something TSA and US customs can't seem to figure out.
美国海关就是美国的耻辱
The report is supposed to praise China's achievement. I find that it is still painted with a tint of orientalism and cynicism. It alleged that lands are just taken by the government without caring of the people, while the video shows roads bypassing lands of those who refused to move. So obviously lands are not just heartlessly taken. From what i learned, people are simply better compensated when their lands are taken. Building rail lines that are unprofitable is most likely to help develop remote/underprivileged areas, but is described as for geopolitical purpose. Since when developing a poor area of one's country is defined as for geopolitical purpose? I long for the time when the West does not report the Colored with superiority complex and see sinister motives behind our actions.
The western media intentionally hide the compensation part to make China looks bad and unreasonable, and create negative impression in the minds of the innocent viewers and readers.
It's ok. The more they keep brainwashing their people to hate China and its system, the harder it will be for them to learn from and emulate China's system. Which is what they should be doing like how China learned from and emulated the Wests systems to make China not only competitive, but now superior to the west. The west system is failing all over the world, and by the time they report fairly on China it will be too late and China will be too strong for them to sanction or attack.
If you do not know your enemy, then you can never beat them. Of course China does not see the west or USA as enemy, but USA sees China as one which is why USA keeps attacking China and China only defends and never goes on the attack to try to divide or collapse USA from within like USA and west does to China.
well said
if china can do such a reasonable thing with good reasons, then how could mainstream media to calm American votoers down when USA gdp per capita is 6 times higher than China.
if seeing is believing，than yes it's a better China than what they say
By 2019 Chinese railways company made 120 bi usd profit according to their investor relations report. Meanwhile chinese high speed trains made 4 billion USD profit. So they definitely doesn't have major budget issue, in contrast of that said at
6:20 . Cross subsidy is a good public management practice in reality. Many countries do it in various sectors, like mail services, water supplies and even transportation. The most profitable routes are slightly higher charged to pay the deficit of other routes. Economic integration is a very important matter to make regions prosper. China have scale to allow it at high speed trains, so it's not a issue. They are creating an opportunity to distant area citizens be able to prosper, why does western world see it as a bad thing? They could easily make a cross subside between high speed and conventional if needed. High speed train is way more environmental friendly than airplanes.
True, and should keep in mind that car runs on road for which we do not ask the car driver to pay... so it is normal that the train track (like the road line) are paid by the government.
No reason that the road are to use for free, but that the train track has to be paid to use.
Love when she said "geopolitical" when China built high speed rail network within the country.
I press the dislike button because the western medias always distorted China, for example, they didn’t tell their audience whole story China government paid 4-6 times prices for relocating their citizens which the medias always try to miss it . In China, there is a word called “ relocation generation “ , all of them got super rich overnight by the relocation programs, those rare nail people just too greedy and they wanted at least 100 millions, or refused to move . also China high speed rail laborers not cheap at all , they got at least 4000 -5000 dollars per month, according Chinese price, that’s very decent payment. Don’t try to find so much excuses for your corrupted systems, facts are facts, admit them and correct them . Or just ignore them
Are some of the presenters too dumb to understand the difference between Accounting profit and Economic profit? This is where the West is going wrong. Mass transport is a public good, much like highways. Have you heard of non Toll roads making a profit? If not why do countries build them? China is successful in building out its Rail network because it treats Rail the same as roads. It is there to facilitate Economic Growth, thus Economic Profit! Duh!
Oh they understand. But it's not politically correct to say anything positive without heavy editorials about the evil government and human rights abuses even though the topic is about improving the citizens quality of living.
@@markuc they are not allowed to say certain things, yet they claim they have freedom of speech. If you ask them why, they will tell you they are different 🤮
because they dont want american voters to question: why my voted politicians spend my tax in Afghanistan ...
That is why there is much failure， failure to see the difference， failure to see the other end， failure to see the joke in this
DW sponsored and controlled by CIA.
The US doesn't want people traveling so easily and fast. This would create unity and the US is about division.
I was one of the first passenger of China highspeed train when they first started and in 2019 I came back to China and ride them again. It's absolutely a blast.
SIR MY INDIA IS THE REAL SUPERPOWER 🤗🇮🇳 WE HAVE THE BEST INFRASTRUCTURE AND HIGHSPEED RAIL 🤗🇮🇳 MEANWHILE IN CHINA PEOPLE STILL RIDE RICKSHAW EVERYWHERE AND THEY ALSO POOR DONT HAVE CAR . THIS WHY IM SO LUCKY LIVE IN SUPER INDIA THE CLEANEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD 🇮🇳🤗 , WE NEVER SCAM! WE GIVE RESPECT TO ALL WOMEN THEY CAN WALK SAFELY ALONE AT NIGHT AND WE HAVE CLEAN FOOD AND TOILET EVERYWHERE 🇮🇳🤗🚽, I KNOW MANY POOR PEOPLE JEALOUS WITH SUPER RICH INDIA 🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳
Reason for China’s HSR: ruthless government
Reason for lack of HSR in Germany: Lizards 🦎
This piece isn’t biased at all
It’s not. Looks pretty fair to me.
Money is the main reason. China is happy to run at a loss. Everyone else just flies.
@@S2Tubes lol as if airports aren’t subsidized
Also there’s nothing wrong with running “at a loss”
Transportation is a public service and should be treated as such rather than as a business.
@@uhohhotdog In almost all developed countries, roads are subsidised, fuel are subsidised, fossil fuel companies are probably subsidized, car companies might also be subsidized, airlines are also subsidized... The list go on and on. You should be thankful China is leading in high speed rail and renewable technology at the range time.
Ruthless government AND lizards?
For people who have recently been to China to say that the country will double its high speed rails. Mind blowing
Haha 😂😂😂
That's true. According to government plan, by 2035 there will be 70,000 km high speed trian rial in china, and 600km/h speed train included.
They are doing it now. Before the pandemic, there was 38,000 km of hsr, it was about 40,000 km in late 2021. Their target of 70,000 km in 2035 is very much on target.
"why China has built bullet tran system and we, the Western are so jealous about it" - should be the tittle of this video.
Not accurate at all. Shame on the several so-called experts appearing in this video. (1) Beside cheaper labor and material, China has developed a whole set of technology to build high-speed rail more effciently. There are many other countries where labor and material are even cheaper, why are not those countries able to build high-speed rail? (2) In China, if people have to be moved to construct the rail, they are well compensated by the government, and thus they tend to cooperate. In fact, we witnessed protests by local people where the high-speed rail was NOT planned to go across their land.
because they (the west) have to find a way to sabotage anything china do, they cannot accept (subconsciously?) that there are things china does better. it’s interesting that the reporter is probly a (white-washed) chinese (happa?).
Your first argument is faulty. Those other countries are missing the capital China has.
"There are many other countries where labor and material are even cheaper"
Name 1 of them that has the amount of resources China has.
You Chinese are so sensitive.
@@kkon5ti Okay, then, you tell me why other countries do not have this, do not have that, and blah blah blah all kinds of excuses. It is very simple: China has won the competition with firm will, smart strategy, and hard work.
@@noobestofdamall You miss the whole point. Able to build high-speed rail is a matter of determination and decades of efforts, which is certainly not possible in your pathetic country.
To evaluate the profitability of a high speed train line, westerners only look at if the line has made profits.
The Chinese lot at it another way, a high speed train between 2 cities may not be profitable in the short term, but in the long term it will boost the economy of all the cities along that line, bringing more development hence more tax revenues overall.
The short term focused ideology of the west is mindboggling
For this one time I see a DW title and think it's actually going to make some high-quality videos that are objective about China, but when I click in and watch it, it's still full of political prejudice bullshit. WELL DONE DW.
bruh this isnt that bad compared to anglo media
@@jetsamjetsam you are right, even they moved most moral part, china paid a lot to those villigers, but this video is still accepting china finally did something sucessful
When the Americans failed to do it, its is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. DW is FUBU.
Profitability? Chinese national rail network is built by state owned companies with taxpayers' money meant to make people's lives more convenient. It's public property like so many other city infrastructure. Do people argue over the profitability of sidewalks?
It was not lizards that delay train project but corruption, more delay to increase cost of project... It's common practice in whole Europe
In my country in Spain the train system is pretty good it has the second largest high speed train network after china
Spain's system is honestly pretty impressive, more countries should take note.
@@AsiaMinor12 using French technology and China technology
@@upendo.3570 I dont think that is something bad
欧洲应该多一点合作
But Spain doesn't have concentration camps, so I would say Spain is better
Over 1.4 billion Chinese people enjoying well organised transportation and prosperity development of infrastructure for the people of Chinese nation.
“Massive amount of cheap labor”? Oh my God, that woman is so ignorant.
Simple answer : They don’t make war at other country so they can spend money for infrastructure
Seriously, they make war with my country and tried to violate ceasefire our borders.
@@ananyanegi9423 joke India country
@@ananyanegi9423 when?
@@lvjinbin28 1960
@@ananyanegi9423 India third brother your ignorance always goes with you,Everyone knows the biases and falsehoods of your media reports
5:51 China doesn’t have eminent domain or similar concept hence the you can see highway swirl around a single family house like shown already in this video. My American colleague told me about this before I know the term eminent domain.
6:31 Well it is a typical western perspective. The high speed rail network runs more than 36,000 KM in length and how much is it built in Xinjiang? The LAN-XIN line in Xinjiang runs only 1775KM. HSR pays itself in terms of great economic impact to the society not in terms of China Railway‘s balance sheet. China didn't built the 2nd largest economy by prioritize politics over economy. Economy is their fundamentals.
Flight delays, including huge delays, do happen in China, just like in any other country, but they are just exceptions rather than rules, there is a Dutch saying: exception confirms the rule! Don't mislead your audiences by amplifying exceptional incidents!
I am from Singapore, l had been to China a couple of time , l never encountered any problem/ any issues , please tell the truth about China
My home town in China, population less than 300k 20 years ago, built a highway inside the city that has 12 lanes, over 80 meters wide, and everybody was criticizing the local government for wasting money. Today we’re all thankful. Someone has a long term vision.
🇹🇼
I travel a lot in China I do not ageee with the narrative that travel by air sucks in China. In fact, if you take SZ airlines, they are 97% on time. One irresponsible remark or single experience does not count.
The main reason why China has so much HSR is because the government wants it. If the EU or US really wanted it too they could achieve it for sure. The money is there but sadly they aren’t really trying.
True as hell
True, if even a country like China which has the population density and enough large cities concentrated in an small enough area is making a loss on the high speed rails, there’s no way on Earth the EU and US would invest in high speed railways. Although I think maybe if the EU was more United they could consider linking countries together, but I’d think they would still have trouble maintaining a railway that could potentially lose tens of millions of dollars a year
US can but Europe has so many old cities that it's hard to fit in. China developed relatively late so they the urban planning was easier
@@joselee9605 The government subsidizes roads, airports and all other forms of transportation anyways. Why not subsidizing the cleanest option?
Cost would be astronomical in the West, especially when it comes to land acquisition.
Cheap materials but support the longest and fastest commercial high speed rail system? This statement is so cheap.
Why don't you mention that those who move out will receive millions of compensation from the government? Why can't you media always report the facts objectively? I was shocked
Can you recommend a good UA-cam channel that provides news from China and is in English or has sub-titles?
DW speciality! LOL.
Richard Aguilar UA-cam channel
@@Paulkjoss living in china and Gweilo60 and CGTN and Blondie in China and Nico and Daniel Dumbril and Reporterfy media travel and Nathan Rich
CGTN, xinhua, new China tv, Shanghai eye, etc etc.
There is an old Chinese saying: If you want to get rich, you must first build roads. The Chinese government has done it and the people have become rich. Although the high-speed rail itself is losing money, the economy of this region has improved a lot, and the whole is actually profitable.
You had me in the first half, DW.
Things to research: railway construction standardization, government compensation for relocation, socioeconomic benefits of infrastructure beyond profitability.
I went to China with my boss who owns million dollar business. I was shock when he choose HSR to travel from Beijing to Zhengzhou instead of first class airplane.
The train is excellent and on time, we could travel back to Beijing at night. Saving your time a day for your business trip.
The high-speed train from Beijing to Zhengzhou takes about two and a half hours, and the flight takes about an hour. But the airport is far from the city, and Zhengzhou high-speed railway station is near the CBD. Besides, the high-speed trains have a high frequency of 20 minutes, wide legroom, and 5G network coverage throughout the train to facilitate communication. So a large number of business people choose high-speed rail.
The main objetive of China High Speed Train System is to connect the country and promote social, industrial, economic integration. The profit is desirable but the objective of a government owned company. Trains go where are needed and not where they can make a buck. Social vc individual.
The cost argument is ridiculous. By that reasoning, the cost in China is half of the cost in EU, EU should have at least build half amount of railway relative to China.
its also the funding for the projects. the chinese government is willing to pay for the trains to be built with loans that wont get paid back for 100s of years.
Democracies aren't that efficient. As you know, the whole concept of endless arguments, debates, etc. weakens the ground for rapid progress.
@@utkarshg.bharti9714 The West forgot that Papua New Guinea is failed country despite it copied Western democracy.
Yeah, DW is making extremely biased and misleading videos about China, as usual. First saying China has been ruthless about relocating residents, well they never tell you most of these residents relocated voluntarily, some were even begging to relocate. Why? Because Chinese government compensated tons of money for taking their lands, and their lands in rural areas are worthless. Comparing to millions of people who happily relocated with big money in their pocket, those who refuse to move are just a fraction. Then implying China's HSR projects and steel production create lots of pollutions, in fact China produces less pollutions per capita than many countries, and it's becoming the leading country in clean energy. The statement of commercial airlines being blocked by Chinese military in order to make trains more popular is total bullshit, airlines are affected by weather, mechanical failure, human errors and crowded airport much more than the military, there are still millions of Chinese travel by flight everyday. More people prefer high speed trains because it's cheap, comfortable and always on time even in worst weather. Every time west media talked about Chinese trains they always say it's not profitable, wrong again, some lines are profitable, some lines are not, but overall it boosted the economy and gives huge tax in return, definitely a good investment for the country.
how is it biased? it is literrally critiquing the obstacles europe has to implement better HSR. Saying why china has the best hsr network also means you can't point out the things that wouldn't work elsewhere? If it's not praising inconditionally it's biased????? what?
@@ouicertes9764 Did you even watch the full video? The title said China has the best HSR, the content said pretty much the opposite, pretending to praise China's accomplishment, hypocrite as usual. I don't mind people critiquing on China and I have no problem with whatever they said about European railways, but I do mind media critiquing China based on lies and misinformation. Considering the fact DW, a large public media funded by German government has been doing things like this for years, made me question their true purpose. Journalism is dead, people don't care about truth anymore, they just want to hear what they like to hear.
@@ZZ-qu7bq cant blame germany for being US's lapdog, they got US army in their country that can overthrow the gov withnin hours, and also Germany havent got it easy lately with sanctions by dealing with the russian pipeline.
@@ftu2021 I definitely blame Germany, both the people and the government, not to defend China but as a human being who care about the future of our planet. Germany has been the leader of EU for decades and EU is not weak in terms of military and economy, but they seem not doing much to make EU more united and independent, and they still let US dominates their public opinions and policy making, they have also been supporting US atrocities all around the world for years
@@ouicertes9764 You have never watched the video seriously. They said that China's railway construction was relentlessly forced to relocate. In fact, we are all eager to relocate so that we can get a lot of money from the government. Some people even build houses deliberately in order to get government money. Expropriated by the government. Because the money you get from the government can completely buy one or several houses in big cities, the people in the video are reluctant to move because they want more money from the government and they are insatiable. You don't understand the harm of inconspicuous little bit of infinite magnification!
In India they even showed ugly trains of Bangladesh and Thailand market train, Indian trains are way, way better than world knows.
In Norway the trains go as slow as or slower then a car depending how much mountain the tracks run on.
Do we even have highspeed rail here in Norway?
@@ToneyCrimson Only when you're going downhill.
@@redundantfridge9764 lolllll u made me gag
Isnt norway the richest country inthe world? They could build the hs rail easily
@@redundantfridge9764 lfmao..
Germany actually used to have the fastest train at some point. Privatization of DB and the automobile lobby are a huge roadblock for rail infrastructure.
For like a few moments until France surpassed them yet again
DB is not privatised. It a very inefficient institutions, their trains are late most of the time and the stations are poorly kept...
Lol automotive lobby has little to do with Germany being car-centric like the US as Germany's biggest automotive consumer are located in Asia, far away from German borders
That being said, the perpetrators for it is left-wing politicians from parties like SPD who despises public transport and heavily supported car-centric cities
they got the fastest train but not the railroads for it...
@@talibjalloh928 In fact, in the propaganda of the Chinese media, the Germans are the most rigorous. Their trains are never late. They are accurate to the second. So many Chinese complain that China's trains are not as good as Germany's. Some Chinese living in Germany have posted their objections on the Internet, but they have been scolded by local Chinese.
a public-funded project that benefits the public, should not be expected to turn a profit!!!
It's not always about profit🙄🙄🙄
true. by building expansive infrastructure, the cost should be expected to be collected from taxes, as better infrastrucutre leads to higher efficiency and hence more MONEY.
USA just spent 20 years and 2.3 trillion dollars on a war in Afghanistan for nothing, and you worried about China not making money on their high speed train 😂🤣
I used to live in the same building as the lead engineer behind the Wuhan to Guangzhou high speed rail, it was the fastest in the world at the time. He told be that on one day he had to report to a government type guy that they were a little behind schedule, anyway, the very next next day he had 2000 new workers on sight and ready to go.
Shout out to Jan from Germany, hope you are doing alright mate.
I thought you were gonna say that after little being schedule, that engineer would be send to some gulag lol. Glad he's alive and get the support
@@aiman9088 typical western bs
@@aiman9088 that’s why west is left behind. When Deng xiaoping first visited japan in 1980s, he brought media and order them to report the real japan -advanced and rich, so the Chinese can motivate themselves to improve their country. Now look at the west media, they are lying to their own ppl and burry their head in sand
You don’t get educated by watching documentary, you get fooled instead.
When the Americans failed to do it, its is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. DW is FUBU.
is not it that travel by train is less energy consuming than everyone driving their private car？
In China and Japan travel by highspeed trains is faster than by plane and much more convenient. That makes a difference
That too
Significantly less.
Cheap materials??? Hahahahaha. They have the best railway system on earth and this lady says its cheap material. Its not cheap. Its just taxed less, this is the case.
It takes just 25% of the Afghanistan war budget to replace every mile of the US interstate highways with HSR.
It's impossible. If we use Chinese workers and products, it only costs 50% of the war cost. If we use American designers and workers, it will cost 10 times the war cost. If we use the Chinese government system, it will take 15 years. If we use the American government's system, it will take 15 years. The system takes 150 years
Air travel contributes huge amount of emisdion so high speed train is a huge plus for the environment.
Cause the elec is magic?
Lol not always. Only when the trains are powered by electricity. If it's by diesel then the results will not be that much different
@@Kuricang31 not when you factor per pound.
No, sitting at home in front of a tv is better for the environment.
@@Dan16673 Same thing bruh. And it's much worse when it was diesel since it's un-renewable
No need to be jealous about China's high speed rail, instead of knocking them, build your own high speed rail, case closed!
There's an old proverb in China: "If you want to be rich, build roads first."
It makes sense.
06:59 I think the several so-called experts appearing in this video suck so much. An important true reason for the frequent delay of Chinese flights especially along the coast area is: The US air force, which is based in Japan or South Korea, frequently send reconnaissance planes close to the Chinese coast, and I think you should know their mission. The fact is that whenever such a plane is sent to the Chinese coast, the Chinese air force HAS TO react, i.e. clear the sky by putting all commercial airplanes on the ground for a while, so the military airplanes can do their job. Unfortunately, many major Chinese cities locate along the coast, such as Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and etc, so yes, we have many delayed flights. I live in Shanghai. I used to complain about the delayed flights too, but after I learned about this fact, I simply shut up. In fact, the flights going to the western part of China are typically on time.
US recon planes routinely pretend to be passenger aircraft by tweaking their transponders. I used to not believe it until they got caught a couple times and media laid out the duration and codes they were using.
Another side note: China Air Force doesn’t respond every single time as a strategy. Testing China’s air defense command chain and the reaction speed is part of those RC-135’s mission. Depends on the situation, they might decide not scramble a fighter to intercept. Source: a retired military guy said this on TV.
That is not the reason, c'mon now you are smarter than that. Besides, the US gets quite a bit of reconnaissance planes on its west coast with no such delays to be seen.
@@joemon5650 Interesting note ... please tell me who sent those recon planes to the west coast of US. Is it Canada? Mexico? LOL. Now go back to your schoolwork, boy.
"...ability to mobilize cheap labour connected to cheap materials". All that research just to be salty.
They said using cheap material too lol... But hey at least their imagination seems to have evolved from "slave labour", let's give them some credits for that tiny improvement eh 🤣
The biggest sour grape ever seen for a long time, bravo DW 👏
When the Americans failed to do it, its is cultural factors. When the Chinese did it, it's because of all the negative factors. DW is FUBU.
It is also a very shallow discussion. These experts feel that they don't know anything. They can only talk about some simple theories about China's migration population. Instead, technically, how did China absorb the technical experience of railways from many countries in the past 20 years, and finally made a major breakthrough to become the world's number one high-speed rail technology, and built the world's most powerful high-speed rail operation system, which can support 1 million users to buy tickets and book tickets every second during the Spring Festival. These technologies feel that there is nothing in the video, which is not as good as a small self-media program in China.
First HSR in Indonesia has been being built, connecting Jakarta to Bandung which has been predicted to be completed by 2022
And it use China technology
Why China built so much high-speed rail, we should think about the demand of people...
are u lost ur mine？
China have 1.4billions people
@@leoray2859 So what? 1.4 bilns market demand, isn't that right?
You miss the point. In the sino culture sphere, the role of the government is the overseer of the people. So it needs to anticipate the need of the people, so in this case building a modern, efficient and affordable public transport system was not determined by the market, but part of the government's national strategy. If it's a simple matter of need, then India would have had it first. India's economy had been ahead of China's for much of the 20th century...
@@markuc I fully agree with you that is a national strategy, because nearly all major railway companies are state-owned in China. And the strategy is not only based on political demand but more importantly the demand of people, the demand of economic growth. That is what I want to say. I don't know much about India's economy in the 20th, if India's railway can fulfil people's demand, why would a company build a new railway there. actually, there are fundamental differences between them.
@@markuc "India's economy had been ahead of China's for much of the 20th century..." for much of the 20th century India was either a colony or a socialist-like experiment field, while China was either in civil war or was undergoing some very strange social-engineering experiment; both countries were pretty much on par economically
“我认为，对我们来说，一个人，一个党，一个军队，或者一个学校，如若不被敌人反对，那就不好了，那一定是同敌人同流合污了。如若被敌人反对，那就好了，那就证明我们同敌人划清界线了。如若敌人起劲地反对我们，把我们说得一塌糊涂，一无是处，那就更好了，那就证明我们不但同敌人划清了界线，而且证明我们的工作是很有成绩的了。”
毛語錄？！
China is simply the greatest nation in the history of the Universe! Why cant all people just accept that?
Wow… gotta applaud the shade and anti-China speech in this piece… you’ve managed to pull.
Cecilia Han Springer (the airhead): “they take massive amounts of steel and aluminum and other carbon intensive materials….”
How else would they do it? Pressed tofu?
Please stop offending people online and start following the netiquette rules.
@@DWPlanetAShame on you😢😂😂😂
Here in America I took a train from Chicago to Cleveland in 8 hours. It was slow, very loud and I got reports of shots being fired at in the train station of Chicago and in Cleveland.
Yeah… that’s good ole USA.
When we look at infrastructure (electric grid, trains, water systems...) USA look as a third world country... Yeah, also when we look at the political and voting system...
Still, USA has some great company and great technology.
But USA should wake up, and start to clean their shit, otherwise they will soon be far behind China.
And I am not sure that selecting leading people at government and company according to their skin color is the best way to push your country forward.
Should make a great zombie movie: Last Train to Cleveland
@@shuaige3360 Car and oil industry looby is to strong in the US.
Honestly I hope Europe has the high speed railway network like China
Europe is not bad. Look at the US and Canada 😂