It felt weird in 3.5 that there were greyhawk gods as the default but nothing about the rest of the settijg unless you got into the living greyhawk metacampaign.
The huge variety of GH dieties was half the fun for me. I mean, how much fun is a priest of Wastri to roleplay?! Great stuff, overall. I had endless fun with the Cat Lord, Zagyg and (Tharizdun) The God *Unknown* all bumping elbows LOL. The hardest part was always to allow the players their choices, no matter how bad. I sure do miss those days. Thanks. As always, your videos bring back great memories.
We still use the Greyhawk deities as our standards in most of our OSR games. St. Cuthbert is one of my favorites. Even in worlds where I made up my own pantheons, they took a lot from Greyhawk.
In my games the Deities are much more active in Gameplay and are reasonably weaker as well (perhaps power Level 25-35 or so). In the 80s and about half the 90s I barely used them at all until a few things happened: In '93-'94(ish) I played with a new DM who had Fharlangh just walking down the road and we encountered him. Like, actually Fharlangh; it was very memorable and fun to roleplay. Also in that time the FR novel 'Finder's Bane' came out and the god Finder was a character in the book guiding his Cleric like, well, as a High Priest to a lower Priest. Finder was maybe, like, Level 21 or something but still a god. Things like this (As well as Orcus shenanigans in "Dead Gods" & other Planescape stuff -- and the FR gods losing their ability to grant spells in canon, etc., etc.) made me really make an effort to make the various Deities much lower in power Level. Like, just beyond the best PCs. More like how they have stat blocks in the 1980 'Deities and Demigods.' All so they can be NPCs when the game gets high enough Level. It makes my campaigns WAAAY more fun: Low-to-Mid Levels the PCs do all kinds of traditional Campaign stuff but by the time they're 13th-14th Level, they're adventuring in The Planes and brushing up against their deities. And now, with Pathfinder by Paizo, with "The Test of the Starstone" where one can Homebrew a way to become a deity -- heck, even the old Mystara stuff where you could eventually rise to godhood -- the deities are just much more hands-on.
I personally love the Suel pantheon. I like how they were all created (not fathered) by the time-god Lendor, and many of the Suel gods are not common, meaning they are pretty much only worshipped by the Suel people. Of the four groups of deities, it's the most like the Greek or Norse pantheons. I have used that pantheon in my campaigns, but with the additions of Allitur (Flan, lawful good, ethics), Myhriss (Common, neutral good, love), and Zodal (FLan, neutral good, kindness and mercy).
Thanks for the mention of Celestian 👍 I have two characters that each worship Celestian and the brother of Celestian. My campaign world consists of Legends and Lore for the humans and two I created for my world itself. Awesome content, I love it.
The three greater gods Beory (nature), Pelor (sun), andf Nerull (death) serve as the heads of the Flan pantheon. In my mind, Obad-Hai (nature) and Berei (agriculture) are the children of Beory and Pelor. Incabulos (disease and madness) is just a Common deity, but I would make him a Flan deity and the offspring of Beory and Nerull.
I had the gold boxed set enjoyed reading through the section about the gods, the whole set was excellen, loved the map. Long gone now I believe went towards paying for a new sofa when I bought a house years ago.
Loving the videos on deities. It'd be nice if they included some of the common legends around that deity. That sort of storytelling would really help anchor the different deities for me.
Most of them don't have anything like that, except in fan-created material. If you look at my "Faiths of the Flanaess" book on the website, I try to include a little snippet of myth, or dogma, for each one.
My AD&D 1E Half Elf Cleric, Charles Nelson Reilly, is a devotee of Ye’ Cind- Demi-goddess of music and good. Fits my personality perfectly. Great to have so many choices
Been using various deities (Cuthert/Pelor/Nerull, Iuz etc) in all my Greyhawk games (and deities in non GH games) for over 40 yrs now. Noticed your shirt in the video looks like it might be similar to the uniform worn by the Star Force in Star Blazers/Space Cruiser Yamato.
I have a fairly comprehensive list of Greyhawk & Demi-Human/Humanoid priesthoods use Major/Minor spell lists from Tome of Magic 2nd ed. Got a lot of demi-humans priests also from the Dragon Magazine.
Ran a "session zero" the other day for a party in an upcoming run at The Sunless Citadel (5e) based in Bissel, and one of the players is Cleric funnily enough. The party as a whole are essentially from the Baklunish West, so the Cleric in question is largely a devotee of Al'Asran (Pelor)...
I am suprised in the run down of gods that Pelor was not mentioned I knew more about him before I learned anything about Greyhawk in my verion of greyhawk he is a big deal because he is dying no one knows why or how and because of that the sun is perpetually red. I added it as a passive background mystery to add some spice to the setting and to add some real feeling of how old this setting is, grest video by the way.
Wow. The demi-god of humor, occult studies, and eccentricity. I think I already follow him and just didn't know it. Great video as always, good sir. And hope you had a killer time at the Con.
In my friends campaign years ago Boccob became the god of chickens and his worshippers would sing his praises by pecking at the ground and chanting "Bawk, Bawk, Bawk, BOCCOB!" Now its all I think of when I hear that deity brought up lol.
I just started (two sessions so far) a Temple of Elemental Evil run using Goodman Games 5e conversion, and one of my players decided on a Tempest cleric with a hermit background, but wasn’t familiar with the Greyhawk setting and didn’t know what gods were available. I reviewed a bit, and suggested Kord, and pointed out he was also god of strength and athleticism, so if the player wanted to switch a skill over to athletics, his hermitage could be a mountaintop strongman gym. I was kind of joking, but the player bought in immediately, and is now playing the character as a divine gym bro with a subtle SoCal surfer accent. This is made even better by the fact that the player playing the Paladin actually grew up in SoCal, and is like “ yeah, I’ve met that guy”
I would make the Oeridian god of slaughter Erythnul (chaotic evil) and the Common god of freedom Trithereon (chaotic good) into fellow siblings of Heironeous and Hextor. That would give us four gods of battle who are all of mutually opposing alignments and who are all siblings. The 3rd edtion sourcebook Unearthed Arcana introduced three variant paladins of the other three "extreme alignments": the paladin of freedom (chaotic good), paladin of tyranny (lawful evel), and the paladin of freedom (chaotic good). In this system, standard lawful good paladins are called paladins of valor. I would make the four war gods into the patrons of these four varieties of paladin.
Depends on the type. Greater Gods are generally aloof, acting through intermediaries if at all. Lesser gods and demigods, on the other hand, are much more prone to direct involvement on the Material Plane.
My group prefers gods to be ephemeral in nature, "the silence of God" being the essential element of faith as we see it. Gods, if they be real, manifest through their followers works and avatars are projections of that faith rather than the god's will. I enjoy gods for the opportunity they represent as shorthand for the ideals of their followers: we know how Veluna should act because of who their patron god is without a long explanation of their diplomatic and economic ties.
Norebo is himself a thief and is good for characters who are all about the skill and or challenge of pulling off a heist. Kord is a barbarian, good for bandits and such Nerull is for your hardcore assassin thief.
It felt weird in 3.5 that there were greyhawk gods as the default but nothing about the rest of the settijg unless you got into the living greyhawk metacampaign.
That Starblazers shirt, though!
The huge variety of GH dieties was half the fun for me. I mean, how much fun is a priest of Wastri to roleplay?! Great stuff, overall.
I had endless fun with the Cat Lord, Zagyg and (Tharizdun) The God *Unknown* all bumping elbows LOL. The hardest part was always to allow the players their choices, no matter how bad. I sure do miss those days.
Thanks. As always, your videos bring back great memories.
We still use the Greyhawk deities as our standards in most of our OSR games. St. Cuthbert is one of my favorites. Even in worlds where I made up my own pantheons, they took a lot from Greyhawk.
In my games the Deities are much more active in Gameplay and are reasonably weaker as well (perhaps power Level 25-35 or so). In the 80s and about half the 90s I barely used them at all until a few things happened: In '93-'94(ish) I played with a new DM who had Fharlangh just walking down the road and we encountered him. Like, actually Fharlangh; it was very memorable and fun to roleplay. Also in that time the FR novel 'Finder's Bane' came out and the god Finder was a character in the book guiding his Cleric like, well, as a High Priest to a lower Priest. Finder was maybe, like, Level 21 or something but still a god. Things like this (As well as Orcus shenanigans in "Dead Gods" & other Planescape stuff -- and the FR gods losing their ability to grant spells in canon, etc., etc.) made me really make an effort to make the various Deities much lower in power Level. Like, just beyond the best PCs. More like how they have stat blocks in the 1980 'Deities and Demigods.' All so they can be NPCs when the game gets high enough Level. It makes my campaigns WAAAY more fun: Low-to-Mid Levels the PCs do all kinds of traditional Campaign stuff but by the time they're 13th-14th Level, they're adventuring in The Planes and brushing up against their deities. And now, with Pathfinder by Paizo, with "The Test of the Starstone" where one can Homebrew a way to become a deity -- heck, even the old Mystara stuff where you could eventually rise to godhood -- the deities are just much more hands-on.
I personally love the Suel pantheon. I like how they were all created (not fathered) by the time-god Lendor, and many of the Suel gods are not common, meaning they are pretty much only worshipped by the Suel people. Of the four groups of deities, it's the most like the Greek or Norse pantheons.
I have used that pantheon in my campaigns, but with the additions of Allitur (Flan, lawful good, ethics), Myhriss (Common, neutral good, love), and Zodal (FLan, neutral good, kindness and mercy).
What a great shirt. I put the whole series on sometimes when i go to sleep.
what is it?
@@danacoleman4007 Starblazers (aka Space Battleship Yamato).
+1 Bathtime For The Hopping Prophet rep
Playing a cleric of Kord has long been a favorite.
Rao and Pelor are my favorites. Good gods for their own videos!
I've never seen a Star Blazers (Space Battleship Yamato) shirt before, really cool!
Thanks for the mention of Celestian 👍
I have two characters that each worship Celestian and the brother of Celestian. My campaign world consists of Legends and Lore for the humans and two I created for my world itself. Awesome content, I love it.
I really like the idea of a priest of Zilchus as a player.
The three greater gods Beory (nature), Pelor (sun), andf Nerull (death) serve as the heads of the Flan pantheon. In my mind, Obad-Hai (nature) and Berei (agriculture) are the children of Beory and Pelor. Incabulos (disease and madness) is just a Common deity, but I would make him a Flan deity and the offspring of Beory and Nerull.
I just noticed you're wearing a Star Blazers shirt! I lift a tankard of spring water to you, good sir!
I had the gold boxed set enjoyed reading through the section about the gods, the whole set was excellen, loved the map. Long gone now I believe went towards paying for a new sofa when I bought a house years ago.
I love the Star Blazers shirt. Nice call back.
That’s what I did; adopted the Greeks.
Love the video!
Love the Star Blazers, Derek Wildstar shirt.
Loving the videos on deities. It'd be nice if they included some of the common legends around that deity. That sort of storytelling would really help anchor the different deities for me.
Most of them don't have anything like that, except in fan-created material. If you look at my "Faiths of the Flanaess" book on the website, I try to include a little snippet of myth, or dogma, for each one.
Interesting stuff. Looking forward to your future projects
I love that sick Starblazers shirt dude.
My AD&D 1E Half Elf Cleric, Charles Nelson Reilly, is a devotee of Ye’ Cind- Demi-goddess of music and good. Fits my personality perfectly.
Great to have so many choices
Been using various deities (Cuthert/Pelor/Nerull, Iuz etc) in all my Greyhawk games (and deities in non GH games) for over 40 yrs now. Noticed your shirt in the video looks like it might be similar to the uniform worn by the Star Force in Star Blazers/Space Cruiser Yamato.
I have a fairly comprehensive list of Greyhawk & Demi-Human/Humanoid priesthoods use Major/Minor spell lists from Tome of Magic 2nd ed. Got a lot of demi-humans priests also from the Dragon Magazine.
You have an awesome t-shirt collection
Ran a "session zero" the other day for a party in an upcoming run at The Sunless Citadel (5e) based in Bissel, and one of the players is Cleric funnily enough. The party as a whole are essentially from the Baklunish West, so the Cleric in question is largely a devotee of Al'Asran (Pelor)...
Love the T-shirt
Great t-shirt!
I am suprised in the run down of gods that Pelor was not mentioned I knew more about him before I learned anything about Greyhawk in my verion of greyhawk he is a big deal because he is dying no one knows why or how and because of that the sun is perpetually red. I added it as a passive background mystery to add some spice to the setting and to add some real feeling of how old this setting is, grest video by the way.
I could only do a few. Otherwise it'd be an hours-long video.
Wow. The demi-god of humor, occult studies, and eccentricity. I think I already follow him and just didn't know it.
Great video as always, good sir. And hope you had a killer time at the Con.
Enjoyed the vid!
I would like you Talk about the gods, what they do or the history
Huzzah,, Thank you thank you. New subscriber.
Any word on Gord the rouge novels reprints? Great resources on Greyhawk gods.
Nothing specific, yet. Here's hoping!
In my friends campaign years ago Boccob became the god of chickens and his worshippers would sing his praises by pecking at the ground and chanting "Bawk, Bawk, Bawk, BOCCOB!"
Now its all I think of when I hear that deity brought up lol.
I just started (two sessions so far) a Temple of Elemental Evil run using Goodman Games 5e conversion, and one of my players decided on a Tempest cleric with a hermit background, but wasn’t familiar with the Greyhawk setting and didn’t know what gods were available. I reviewed a bit, and suggested Kord, and pointed out he was also god of strength and athleticism, so if the player wanted to switch a skill over to athletics, his hermitage could be a mountaintop strongman gym. I was kind of joking, but the player bought in immediately, and is now playing the character as a divine gym bro with a subtle SoCal surfer accent. This is made even better by the fact that the player playing the Paladin actually grew up in SoCal, and is like “ yeah, I’ve met that guy”
I would make the Oeridian god of slaughter Erythnul (chaotic evil) and the Common god of freedom Trithereon (chaotic good) into fellow siblings of Heironeous and Hextor. That would give us four gods of battle who are all of mutually opposing alignments and who are all siblings.
The 3rd edtion sourcebook Unearthed Arcana introduced three variant paladins of the other three "extreme alignments": the paladin of freedom (chaotic good), paladin of tyranny (lawful evel), and the paladin of freedom (chaotic good). In this system, standard lawful good paladins are called paladins of valor. I would make the four war gods into the patrons of these four varieties of paladin.
Mutually opposing would be Lawful Good to Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Good to Lawful evil. Or Lawful Neutral to Chaotic Neutral.
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Back when deities mattered in dungeons and dragons. Now deities are just power-ups for the player characters out of the control of the DM.
How involved do the Gods get in the affairs of mortals? Do they sometimes come down themselves or is it more of a looking on from afar kind of thing?
Depends on the type. Greater Gods are generally aloof, acting through intermediaries if at all. Lesser gods and demigods, on the other hand, are much more prone to direct involvement on the Material Plane.
My group prefers gods to be ephemeral in nature, "the silence of God" being the essential element of faith as we see it. Gods, if they be real, manifest through their followers works and avatars are projections of that faith rather than the god's will. I enjoy gods for the opportunity they represent as shorthand for the ideals of their followers: we know how Veluna should act because of who their patron god is without a long explanation of their diplomatic and economic ties.
Stargazers/Space battleship Yamato fan spotted.
Yes indeedy!
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Who is the God of Thieves?
St. Cuthbert.
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Norebo is himself a thief and is good for characters who are all about the skill and or challenge of pulling off a heist.
Kord is a barbarian, good for bandits and such
Nerull is for your hardcore assassin thief.
@@VikingMale - Oops, my bad. I thought he was just the God of Music and Partying. Thanks.
@@blshouse - Thanks. Reminds me of the God - Mask - in Forgotten Realms, but not as sinister. Mask is kinda halfway to a Nerull.
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The messiness of the pantheon really does appeal. Real religions don't have a god of fire, god of water, whatever whatever. It's never that clean.
IMO, GH Pantheon has always been way superior to the Pathfinder one, and on pair if not slightly superior to the FR.