Just bought a 2024 Tacoma off road, winter package, dealer gave me a $3,000 dollar discount, however the New York Taxes killed me, taxes on the truck was $4572 dollars Ouch.
and what are you going to buy instead ? Expensive Ford, RAM, GM and what soever ? They did the same so do not complain about toyota when the big three were forced to do the same. And if I remember right my relatives always emphasized that the dealers were the big benefitters from the mark up prices on all the cars and trucks during covid, they made the profits , not the big three which had sold the trucks to the dealer with the usual margin based on msrp.
@@kay2187 most manufacturers with half a brain are continuing to make V8’s and the sales numbers say why. Look at Dodge and Toyota. Struggling to move units. Look at GM making gains. V8’s for the win.
Ditto! I just went with an American auto V8. Toyota can shove 4 cylinder Tacomas and 6 cylinder Tundras. We don’t want them. They are under powered and way over priced. You’re losing us really quick Toyota. Most of us may never come back.
and what do you wanna buy till then ? Mediocre Ford or rather GM or stellantis made Jeep Toyota is the biggest manufacturer in the world , the american big three are dying year by year due to even far worse management. Look back in the 60s. Who has been the market leader in the german car market ? Any suggestions , maybe Ford ? No, it was GM ahead of VW ... and from 40% that stalled to less than 10% in 5 decades by american management mistakes , stupid american managers send over for 2 years without language nor culture skills trying to do things the american way and loosing market share till they were forced to sell the OPEL VAUXHALL brand they had bought in 1929 . So GMs production is declining for decades and toyotas increased across the globe. Close to no one buys american cars from any of the big three, only teslas are selling well, but only the none US made ones cause those suck big times like model s and model x. The chinese made model 3 and giga berlin made model y are much much better.
You are very VERY correct. Toyota has lost a LONG time owner of Toyota products. I have been researching other auto manufacturers. Toyota has lost my business.!.!
Four years ago, my Tacoma SR5 had an MSRP of $33K and some change. That same truck now is about $10K more. What's worse is that you pay more and get less. The 2020-23 Tacoma SR5s came standard with a power driver's seat. But for 2024, you have to upgrade to a convenience package which adds to the price. Same thing with different wheel choices. The 2020-23 SR5s came with two different wheel options, a painted grey alloy and matte black alloy. Now, you just get silver unless, yet again, you upgrade to the more expensive XP package that blacks out the badging and wheels. Total price gouging. There's no reason to move full production to Mexico to save on labor costs but jack up the price 20-25%. Not only that, you downsize the displacement across the board but charge more? GTFOH! They've priced themselves right out of their core market like you said. Until they get their s**t together, let them rot and literally pay the price for it.
@@dvader3263 Does that make it any more right to hike the prices as of late when that wasn't an issue in the past? They've had full production of vehicles for several decades like you mention but that didn't result in a 25% increase in price that they're practicing now.
My 2021 Tundra TRD Pro double cab cost me $48,880 and $51,124 out the door. My son's 2020 Tacoma TRD Sport Access cab 6-speed manual cost me $31,250 out the door in December 2019 when we bought it. My wife's 2018 Acura MDX was $44,500'ish fully loaded when we bought it brand new in 2018. Bottom line, I told my family we are not buying anything new ever again. These are our vehicles for the next 15-20 years so take good care of them. No way would I pay the prices they are asking for the shit quality they are giving.
I said the exact same thing. I typically agree with Scotty Kilmer and buy used Toyotas, but we just purchased a 2024 Venza and 2025 NX350h and I told my wife we drive until wheels fall off or we need a battery. If we need a battery after 15-20 years, so be it. Most cars past 150,000 miles need new transmissions. Hybrid eCVT last forever. We will It’s the only way they’re worth the huge price tags.
You did a fantastic job with these purchases when new. Now, like you said, everyone has to make them last for 2 decades. My girlfriend bought a ‘23 RAV4 last year brand new and she knows she will be driving it for 2 decades as well!
My 21 TRD Sport Taco 4x4 Dbl-Cab 6' bed was almost $50k before everything was said an done that I got this April, and that is rust proofing an xtended warranty which covers the entire truck. The 05 Silverado LS that died on me in April this yr costs new what the Tacoma cost used 🙄
This is probably the best opportunity General Motors has had in decades to become Americas brand again. Build quality and reliability, build what Americans want to buy, and offer affordability.
The new Chevys are actually really nice. The tech works well. They just need to pivot away from these three cylinder engines in their affordable offerings such as Trax and terrain
Great job!! Spot on!! The prices are insane!! Most do NOT want a turbo engine. Toyota PLEASE wake up!!!!! Get back to better pricing and get a damn V8 engine!!!!and 6 cylinder
@@deeptobanerjee24true, however the EPA’s crippling emissions standards forced Toyota to ditch naturally aspirated V6s and V8s in favor of hybridized smaller displacement engines that consumers don’t want.
It’s not Toyota, it’s the government, and really it’s not just the government but the fact that they’re not built in Japan. Japanese built Toyotas, like the Land Cruiser and 4Runner haven’t had these issues. And the Land Cruiser prado sold in Japan has a diesel option which would likely sell well here, but because of regulations it can’t be sold here. Basically, the cost of importing from Japan is too much and the quality of products made in the U.S. and Mexico doesn’t hold up, and because the quality is worse, the engines aren’t being built up to tolerance, so they have these issues.
Much of my loyalty and enthusiasm for the Toyota brand was because of the company’s commitment to Durability, Quality, and Reliability. I knew I could drive many miles and get many years from their vehicles. I’ve owned at least 10 of them so far. Hopefully, these values can be restored.
Those of us that own/drive older Toyotas, we’re smart for keeping them and making sure they’re serviced religiously. I bought my 2008 5.7 V8 Toyota Tundra with 33 miles on the odometer in September 2008, and today it has 137,429 trouble free miles. Would I like a new Toyota, sure. Can I afford a new Toyota? Yup! Do I want all the headaches that Toyota has been dealing with lately? Absolutely not! I plan to keep my Tundra till the wheels fall off and when that happens, I’m gonna buy new wheels! I love owning a vehicle that’s super reliable, has a physical key, and no silly iPad stuck to the dash. Oh yeah, it’s been paid off for 15 years! I also love having 381 horses under the hood. Gas mileage sucks, I average 15.8 - but on a full tank of gas I can usually get around 374 miles. The new Tundra is a disaster too.
Keep it. I bought my 07 with about 97k on it and just hit 270k this weekend. It's had minor issues, most of which I have serviced. Even when I couldn't it was still way cheaper than buying one of these new $40k + trucks.
@jeanclaude7018 thank you! Now I didn't go all out on the frontier like you did just now but ok! However that is your opinion! Yes I'll take the Tundra looks over the frontier any day!
If Toyota had some brains they’d import the Hi Lux and Fortuna from Asia. Hi Lux is smaller than the Tacoma and ,yes a 4 banger but a lot smaller vehicle to push around. The Fortuna could have replaced , or being rebadged as the 4Runner. This would have lead to no overlap between the new 4 Runner and the Landcruiser.
Which is WHY I bought the 2024 Nissan Frontier SV 4x4 Crew cab....After test driving the Toyota Tacoma Sport, I was truly disgusted with what Toyota had done.....Not only that but, the Nissan is still made in the USA. has a V6, all steel 6ft bed with factory sprayed in bed liner.
@jeanclaude7018 I test drove the Ford, and Chevy trucks all of which have been castrated with the 4cyl engines, I was not impressed with them either. Nope, i needed and wanted a v6 and Nisan is the only one still offering it, not only that but the price for the truck was nearly 10k LESS than what Toyota was asking. Hey, I still have a 2003 Toyota Camry, runs like a top and am constantly being offered to buy it from me but, NOPE, I could never replace it with something newer that would be as dependable as it has been.
They need to offer the Mideast versions. Boxy, simple, manual transfer case, manual transmissions or the proven Aisin's, V-6 naturally aspirated and half the electronics.
Toyota ruined the 2025 4Runner. It’s a 2024 Tacoma with a roof. 4 cylinder Turbo/hybrid engine. Cheap exterior and interior plastics. Who cares if the car is built in Japan if the parts and components are cheaply made. Toyota messed up once again and deserves to fail.
Right on brother. However Toyota hasn't cornered the market of high priced junk cars/trucks. Pretty much every automobile manufacturer is doing the same thing. It's almost like they all got together and shared best practices on building and selling automobiles.
Untamed I 100% RESPECT your transparency on Toyotas newest vehicles , there’s other channels who aren’t as transparent and seem to dislike my comments on their UA-cam Lives due to them having some type of partnership with Toyota. TrdJon is who I refer to. But honestly you’re the reason I purchased my 2022 TRD Pro 4Runner in Lime Rush. And again I respect your transparency !and don’t change that because we no longer have that these days due to partnerships and censorship. Thank you 🙏
TRDJon is a Toyota Motor Corporation bootlicker tool-bag influencer. I suggest giving TRDJon a big thumbs down and comment on his videos about his BS channel.
We were in the market for a new toyota highlander or sienna for my wife, bu after they got rid of their V6 engines and switched over to 4 cylinder turbos or hybrids, we ditched toyota and got her a new honda pilot which still uses a V6
I’d choose the sienna over the passport v6. Sienna will last so much longer as that powertrain is amazing and the fuel economy average is double that of the passport. Have 80k on my 22 sienna and it runs just like the day I bought it. Only regret was at the time I was only able to find the le trim due to demand. I would have gone with a higher trim as the interior is more better and more comfortable than the base trim.
Finally, someone with the stones to say what everybody knows is true. All these other truck channels on UA-cam are afraid to insult their grand master Toyota. Let’s face it this video absolutely nails the problem and Toyota is in big trouble. When Trump and acts those huge 25% tariff on imported Mexican goods they can kiss all their extra profits goodbye.And it’s true, Toyota needs to return to their original values. They’re ripping off the consumer and anyone who buys a Toyota is getting ripped off.
Preach on. Long term Toyota owner. The new breed of vehicles, specifically the Trucks are trash. Fan boys are still yelling about "how great" Toyota is. It's pathetic.
I couldn't agree with you more as I live in San Antonio and have several friends that were laid off from the Toyota Plant ,and they were only making $20 per hour and the working conditions were some of the most stringent rules to follow.I've been looking to buy a new Tacoma but the quality just isn't there.
Toyota took a gamble with their new trucks and SUVs to try and chip away at their massive debt. ..increase margin for lesser cost product. Unfortunately, the gamble is a loss and they will have to try again.
Car companies work in 3-5 year cycles. These engines are not coming back as the next president can just change the standards again. They not gonna spend billions to go backwards. Toyota is by far the largest and richest car company in the world.
I have two buddies with V6 Tacoma's. They have no interest in the new ones due to price, the turbo four cylinder and made in Mexico. Toyota might have shot themselves in the crotch.
Their trucks were made in San Antonio.They're not interested in made in Mexico. I've had a made in Mexico vehicle and never again.@@westcoastplinkin6559
My buddies were made in San Antonio. They have no interest in made in Mexico. My last new vehicle was made in Mexico. I won't make that mistake twice.@@westcoastplinkin6559
I’m just not sold on these hybrid powertrains. Massive, bulky, heavy batteries, with over complicated engineering and slightly better mpg? Higher cost. Just Seems like a mess to me.
I have a 2017 Tacoma off road. And I test drove the new 2024 Tacoma and tundra and they do ride nice, but heeeccckk no, I’m not going to go with a weaker motor and turbo. I want simplicity, longevity, reliability, and affordable. I’m now looking for a previous gen tundra.
As someone who has owned 3 toyotas, I just bought my wife a mazda cx5 after test driving A rav4. It's quieter has better power and drives much better. It was also less expensive. Around $8,000 less. She's happy...I have a 2006 sequoia that I drive, it's one of the best cars I've ever owned. I'll keep it till it gives up. I will not buy anything in a truck platform with a 4 cylinder engine...my V8 will go another 200,000 miles or so. Get the politicians Out of the economy and stop pushing stupid revisions on vehicles....prices will go down When people stop the insanity of buying just to have a newer car. .
The real problem is not the company but the people. The previous generation of men are responsible and care about quality and reliability. Its happening in all aspect of life not just in automotive market.
Exactly , simplicity and reliability. Personally I don't want turbos for my everyday driver. Everything is more expensive and that's a whole different video.
Think about it, I bought a 2021 TRD off-road double cab long bed Tacoma with the premium technology package and a few other upgrades like the TRD skid plate and the out the door price in April of 2021 was $36,999. The window sticker was 41k. I plan on keeping this truck until it’s 15-20 years old if it lasts that long.
I bought a 2006 4Runner w/ 95k miles on it for $15k in 2018. Excellent condition. I can sell it now for $15k with 158k miles on it, in slightly less as good condition. Crazy. I will not be selling it. Love that thing.
New subscriber! Thanks for confirming what I have been observing for the past couple years. We have been a Toyota family for over 30 years and owned 6 or so but we are not happy with the poor quality of the new vehicles, limited on lot availability (Sienna), terrible exorbitant prices with no room for negotiaitons. We will be moving to something else. I had rather drive what we have and put my resources into a rental property that generates income. Thanks again on keeping us up on market conditions.
I refuse to spend my hard earned money on any truck or suv that has a four cyl . Greedy companies that put their bottom line above all else and at the expense of their loyal customers will not succeed !
Toyota has left the Deming model of management and quality. Look up Edwards Deming, he is the reason Toyota was King. Now, the younger generation thinks they know so much and they destroy all the hard work that made the brand King!
I’m a Toyota owner of a 2021 Rav-4 non-hybrid.. which we love. I just purchased a 2023 Nissan Pathfinder SL Premium V6 Naturally Aspirated 9-speed transmission.. absolutely love it. Build , amenities, no longer a CVT transmission and at reasonable price point. Hopefully Nissan gets their financial stability back because they have something good in the New Pathfinder as well. Keep up the Great Content!! 👍
These turbo charged engines just are not going to last very long. They will probably be maintenance nightmares, at least that is what my perception is. I drive a Toyota and thought I would be buying another, but now I don't think its worth it. I am actually looking at American car companies again for the first time in three decades.
It would help if they would ever get started replacing our flawed engines, I have 2022 Tundra, Limited, I only have 16000 mile on mine, and I'm not driving anywhere out town until the engine has been replaced.
I essentially agree with you on all points. Thank you for being a voice of sanity. Ultimately government interference has waisted Toyota's R&D money on trying to get too much HP out of a 4-cylinder (too small) and thus overheating & ruining the engine.
I love that you point out the facts about going green with these hybrid engines, people need to understand the manufacturing and disposal of these elements.
My love for Toyota stopped after 2019. Now, they are pretty much the same as every other brand. Overpriced and built like it may last 3-5 years, not 30 years like the cars made prior to Covid. My 18 Landcruiser was my last Toyota, and as you said, Toyota castrated the model name for the Landcruiser. Shameful.
I had a 2023 Toyota tundra sr5 double cab which was built in Texas but the quality just wasn’t there. My side mirror was falling apart just from everyday use, the gaskets on the window seals were warped/ not set properly. Plus the double cab was so small, could barely fit my daughter’s car seat. I traded it in for a 2020 Toyota tundra limited crewmax. Quality is a night and day difference! Love the big backseat, 5.7 liter V8 is great, and I can get aftermarket parts/mods anywhere for cheap!
I’ve always appreciated Toyota, but given the recent concerns around reliability and pricing, I won’t consider purchasing one until they address these issues.
The financial industry aside, Toyota holds more debt than any other company on earth. They really dug themselves into quite a situation, and they want to play with wokeness on top of that? It probably won't take much to bring down Toyota, unfortunately.
I agree 100%! I own a 1990 4Runner, 2013 Rav-4, and a 2008 FJ. I’m not interested in any of the new Toyotas right now. I hope that the new administration drills for oil, gas prices come down and Toyota brings the V-6 and V-8’s back!!!
I met a little old lady at a Toyota dealership this week. She brought her Highlander in for a new windshield, and they COULD NOT get a Toyota windshield because they come from China. The lady refused a generic windshield....so she traded in her Highlander that needed a windshield, and paid cash for a brand new one! She said it is her fifth Highlander!
hey UM - good video. after your jeep video i was gonna gave up on you. but now, this video.... i gotta say.... it has my attention and grit. The moment you said they castrated the powertrain, I decided not to unfollow u. I am passionate about peace of mind and cars just like you. thank you for making this video. I got u. I will still follow u. You are good content creator. keep it up. man. thanks.
The problem is the other big manufacturers are already suffering massive drops in sales and buckling under their own weight. Toyota is always last to the game, which has always been a good thing in the past because they keep what works. The problem is the other manufactures have figured out that 15-25% drops in sales quarterly will not sustain the company. Yes there are people who can afford what ever they want every 4-5 years. So you sell a $65-$100k a vehicle one time for every 20 customers and miss out on 19 sales. The people who can pay that money won't buy a new vehicle yearly. Its easy to see when you go to a GMC/Chevy/Ram dealership and still see new 2023 models on the lot. They better wake up soon.
I dirive a 22 gmc company work truck and my son has a 22 corolla,at 60,000 km the corolla needs brakes, the sierra has 243,000 and brakes are still original.I work for a gravel company and the GMC sees a lot of dust,no issues yet.
All car maker right now are really inflating their prices, which is why I'm repairing my clunker 97 and drive that. I'm never buying a new car for probably another 30 years.
I have a Lexus ES350 2011, has 210,000 and still run like a clock. In fact, comparing to my other new cars; it runs so much better and I will hang on until the wheels fall off.
I’m 52 years old I don’t wanna buy a new truck that’s gonna last me until I’m 72 years old 20 years that’s it. It has to be simple. I want a replica of the 90s Toyota four-wheel-drive truck the exact same size with wider drive axles like a bronco with wide flares something I can put 37 on with a 2 inch spacer kitand 40s with some serious modification, but I want strong axles and simplicity and low gears
So buy an old one replace the entire drivetrain, the steering the front end and everything else you need to do update the interior power seats Bluetooth whatever you need to do it will cost you 10’s of thousands less and it will get you through the rest of your life. I don’t understand why this is so difficult for people.
My 2003 tundra was 5 years old, with 60 thousand miles. It still runs great. Regular maintenance 189 thousand miles and some change. I am glad, I never sold it, many people have asked to buy it, then what, buy a new truck? Hell no! That is just throwing money away!
The company I work for has factories down in Mexico when they used to be in the US. One of our quality control engineers did a site visit with us and told us the issue with Mexico manufacturing. He basically said they can’t keep personal long enough because people leave for another factory for as little as a .10 cent raise.
Spot on. I had a 2024 TRD Tundra 1794 traded it in with 3900 miles. Too many issues and too much thin plastic. It was my 4th Toyota and likely my last. They have completely lost their way. On top of it the dealer and Toyota Corporate were completely nonexistent when I asked for help multiple times. Sad
Happy Thanksgiving! Hope the little one is doing better. 🙏. I’m currently looking for a Supra but, people are trying as for new MSRP for one with 30,000 miles. I may move to the Z cause I can get a new NISMO one in the $40’s.
I'm so glad I found your channel. Excellent perspective and delivery, very informative and extremely useful as I am in the market for reliable transportation. 👍 Thank you.. be blessed 🙌
Enjoy your videos recently subscribed. I asked in a video yesterday… Curious, you can get a 2025 two-door Wrangler V6 manual soft top for like 27,500. Thoughts I also have a 21 forerunner pro which there is no way I’m going to get rid of. I’m curious if you think they will do any type of refresh on the new forerunner due to its sibling the Tacoma having such issues? I suppose it’s too late anyway. Thoughts? Thank you.
My issue with Toyotas being built in Mexico is that they're not passing the saving to us. That SR4 should sell for $25k tops.
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Toyota has been building Tacomas in Mexico for 20 years.
Toyota has been building vehicles in Mexico for several decades.
@dvader3263 exactly in Tijuana. But prior 2020 at least you could get an SR5 around 30k, today pffff nothing
Just bought a 2024 Tacoma off road, winter package, dealer gave me a $3,000 dollar discount, however the New York Taxes killed me, taxes on the truck was $4572 dollars Ouch.
@@eddieBoxer that’s because Democrats run NY. Every major city run by Democrats is a shit show.
Here's what will fix it.
STOP BUYING THEM
and what are you going to buy instead ? Expensive Ford, RAM, GM and what soever ?
They did the same so do not complain about toyota when the big three were forced to do the same. And if I remember right my relatives always emphasized that the dealers were the big benefitters from the mark up prices on all the cars and trucks during covid, they made the profits , not the big three which had sold the trucks to the dealer with the usual margin based on msrp.
@@typxxilps these stop buying them fools think they will hang on to their v-8s forever
@@kay2187 most manufacturers with half a brain are continuing to make V8’s and the sales numbers say why. Look at Dodge and Toyota. Struggling to move units. Look at GM making gains. V8’s for the win.
@@RLeeJones well don't complain about gas prices then
@ Gas prices were half the price they are now under Trump.
Biden/Harris policies have been trash.
$71k for a 1794 is insane.
Biden is no longer in charge, F the epa, give us v6’s and v8’s
What he said!😂
Exactly. No more Beta Male policies. Give us V6 and V8 options.
@RLeeJones YEA! (MANLY VOICE)
What is your education level ? Lol
@@FocusedHands 🤣🤣🤣
Let’s not forget the good old dealerships who charged us Mark UPs of 5k to 10k. Karma is a bitch, ain’t it?
I had no sympathy for them during the plandemic and I'm just laughing at them now
Those dealerships are still doing extremely well, Toyota is the only game in town right now if you work in the industry.
When Toyota Tacoma gets a V6 and the tundra gets a V8 and all of them being built in America and a lower price then I will be buying again
So, then that means no more Toyota Trucks for U.
@@dvader3263 just my 18
Ditto! I just went with an American auto V8. Toyota can shove 4 cylinder Tacomas and 6 cylinder Tundras. We don’t want them. They are under powered and way over priced. You’re losing us really quick Toyota. Most of us may never come back.
and what do you wanna buy till then ?
Mediocre Ford or rather GM or stellantis made Jeep
Toyota is the biggest manufacturer in the world , the american big three are dying year by year due to even far worse management.
Look back in the 60s. Who has been the market leader in the german car market ?
Any suggestions , maybe Ford ? No, it was GM ahead of VW ... and from 40% that stalled to less than 10% in 5 decades by american management mistakes , stupid american managers send over for 2 years without language nor culture skills trying to do things the american way and loosing market share till they were forced to sell the OPEL VAUXHALL brand they had bought in 1929 . So GMs production is declining for decades and toyotas increased across the globe.
Close to no one buys american cars from any of the big three, only teslas are selling well, but only the none US made ones cause those suck big times like model s and model x. The chinese made model 3 and giga berlin made model y are much much better.
@typxxilps my 3Rd gen is fine
You are very VERY correct. Toyota has lost a LONG time owner of Toyota products. I have been researching other auto manufacturers. Toyota has lost my business.!.!
I'm with ya
They won't miss you lol
@@theoldculture216 that's exactly what a woke company would say.
a good company would say: EVERY customer is critical
@@anb2456 exactly right!
Buy the Colorado, made in the USA and a far better product at a much lower price.
I finally paid off my 4Runner TODAY!!!!! 🎉🎉🎉
👏 Congrats
Change all your fluids and drive the crap out of it@@VanillaGorillaUncaged
Let's goooooo🎉
I am 6 months into my 24 4runner 😅. Congrats!
@Patrick-ld4gx booooooooo!😅
Four years ago, my Tacoma SR5 had an MSRP of $33K and some change. That same truck now is about $10K more. What's worse is that you pay more and get less. The 2020-23 Tacoma SR5s came standard with a power driver's seat. But for 2024, you have to upgrade to a convenience package which adds to the price. Same thing with different wheel choices. The 2020-23 SR5s came with two different wheel options, a painted grey alloy and matte black alloy. Now, you just get silver unless, yet again, you upgrade to the more expensive XP package that blacks out the badging and wheels. Total price gouging. There's no reason to move full production to Mexico to save on labor costs but jack up the price 20-25%. Not only that, you downsize the displacement across the board but charge more? GTFOH! They've priced themselves right out of their core market like you said. Until they get their s**t together, let them rot and literally pay the price for it.
Toyota has been building many Tacomas in Mexico for 20 years.
Toyota has been building vehicles in Mexico for several decades.
@@dvader3263 Does that make it any more right to hike the prices as of late when that wasn't an issue in the past? They've had full production of vehicles for several decades like you mention but that didn't result in a 25% increase in price that they're practicing now.
@@CJDiecast that is great knowledge! Great share
4 years ago I bought 12 lb flour for $5.99 in Costco. Now it costs $9.49..
Why?
Spot on.
My 2021 Tundra TRD Pro double cab cost me $48,880 and $51,124 out the door. My son's 2020 Tacoma TRD Sport Access cab 6-speed manual cost me $31,250 out the door in December 2019 when we bought it. My wife's 2018 Acura MDX was $44,500'ish fully loaded when we bought it brand new in 2018. Bottom line, I told my family we are not buying anything new ever again. These are our vehicles for the next 15-20 years so take good care of them. No way would I pay the prices they are asking for the shit quality they are giving.
I said the exact same thing. I typically agree with Scotty Kilmer and buy used Toyotas, but we just purchased a 2024 Venza and 2025 NX350h and I told my wife we drive until wheels fall off or we need a battery. If we need a battery after 15-20 years, so be it. Most cars past 150,000 miles need new transmissions. Hybrid eCVT last forever. We will It’s the only way they’re worth the huge price tags.
You did a fantastic job with these purchases when new. Now, like you said, everyone has to make them last for 2 decades. My girlfriend bought a ‘23 RAV4 last year brand new and she knows she will be driving it for 2 decades as well!
@WokeisaJoke0522 my 2013 Toyota Corolla with 280k miles disagrees. Auto trans with zero issues, runs perfect and it won't ever need a $5k battery
My 21 TRD Sport Taco 4x4 Dbl-Cab 6' bed was almost $50k before everything was said an done that I got this April, and that is rust proofing an xtended warranty which covers the entire truck.
The 05 Silverado LS that died on me in April this yr costs new what the Tacoma cost used 🙄
@ that truck originally was like $35,000 how did you pay $50,000?
Love my 2020 Tundra Voodoo Blue 5.7 SR5 4x4. Last truck I’ll ever need to buy.
This is probably the best opportunity General Motors has had in decades to become Americas brand again. Build quality and reliability, build what Americans want to buy, and offer affordability.
Won’t happen. There is no motivation to excel even in their high end models sadly.
The new Chevys are actually really nice. The tech works well. They just need to pivot away from these three cylinder engines in their affordable offerings such as Trax and terrain
GMC's have always been overpriced. They can become America's brand again? They weren't in the last 20+ years.
They could but they won't . ☹️
@@tendertuna9157still nice trucks!!
Toyota is a MESS! I hope they figure things out. Those prices are STUPID😮
I’m feeling pretty good about my 2022 4Runner right now
I have a 2006 no rust less than 100000 miles I'm good for a while.
Great job!! Spot on!! The prices are insane!! Most do NOT want a turbo engine. Toyota PLEASE wake up!!!!! Get back to better pricing and get a damn V8 engine!!!!and 6 cylinder
Amen!
They already have a 6 cylinder engine. It's in the Tundra.😂
Not happening. Government regulations are driving their decisions. Nissan will follow soon
@@dvader32636 cylinder turbo dumbazz
@@dvader3263 - yep, a Japanese Hand Grenade.
Can't Toyota just put V6's and V8's back in these cars. Is it that difficult to transition? I wish Toyota did away with supercharged and CVT's.
It's the government
Not with the tnga platform, not without a major engineering change
I was super excited about the new land cruiser… bought a 24 Honda trail sport pilot v6. The 4banger turbo totally killed it for me
@@deeptobanerjee24true, however the EPA’s crippling emissions standards forced Toyota to ditch naturally aspirated V6s and V8s in favor of hybridized smaller displacement engines that consumers don’t want.
It’s not Toyota, it’s the government, and really it’s not just the government but the fact that they’re not built in Japan. Japanese built Toyotas, like the Land Cruiser and 4Runner haven’t had these issues. And the Land Cruiser prado sold in Japan has a diesel option which would likely sell well here, but because of regulations it can’t be sold here. Basically, the cost of importing from Japan is too much and the quality of products made in the U.S. and Mexico doesn’t hold up, and because the quality is worse, the engines aren’t being built up to tolerance, so they have these issues.
Much of my loyalty and enthusiasm for the Toyota brand was because of the company’s commitment to Durability, Quality, and Reliability. I knew I could drive many miles and get many years from their vehicles. I’ve owned at least 10 of them so far. Hopefully, these values can be restored.
the values haven’t gone anywhere, my newer toyotas are all bulletproof
IF you need something and need it new, what's the alternatives? Drive what you own until it's a Fred Flintstone drive.
I’m keeping my first gen V8 SR5 Tundra until it bursts into flames.🔥
Same!
Dittos! My 2004 only has 15K miles, it’s a lifer!!
It will last you
Those of us that own/drive older Toyotas, we’re smart for keeping them and making sure they’re serviced religiously. I bought my 2008 5.7 V8 Toyota Tundra with 33 miles on the odometer in September 2008, and today it has 137,429 trouble free miles. Would I like a new Toyota, sure. Can I afford a new Toyota? Yup! Do I want all the headaches that Toyota has been dealing with lately? Absolutely not! I plan to keep my Tundra till the wheels fall off and when that happens, I’m gonna buy new wheels! I love owning a vehicle that’s super reliable, has a physical key, and no silly iPad stuck to the dash. Oh yeah, it’s been paid off for 15 years! I also love having 381 horses under the hood. Gas mileage sucks, I average 15.8 - but on a full tank of gas I can usually get around 374 miles. The new Tundra is a disaster too.
Keep it. I bought my 07 with about 97k on it and just hit 270k this weekend. It's had minor issues, most of which I have serviced. Even when I couldn't it was still way cheaper than buying one of these new $40k + trucks.
People want a v6 and v8. Nissan frontier sales are up. A lot more truck for less money. Nissan shouldn’t discontinue the titan just yet.
Nissan is still asking too much from their cars and trucks. There is nothing out there that is priced as it should be
That’s true
Imo... i don't like the look of the frontier. The titan not bad though
@@FocusedHandsfrontier pro 4x in Boulder gray looks badass
@jeanclaude7018 thank you! Now I didn't go all out on the frontier like you did just now but ok! However that is your opinion! Yes I'll take the Tundra looks over the frontier any day!
They need to fire everyone who destroyed the tundra and 4Runners 🤦🏽♂️.
21 CrewMax 4x4 👍🏾
24 premium 4wd 👍🏾
If Toyota had some brains they’d import the Hi Lux and Fortuna from Asia. Hi Lux is smaller than the Tacoma and ,yes a 4 banger but a lot smaller vehicle to push around. The Fortuna could have replaced , or being rebadged as the 4Runner. This would have lead to no overlap between the new 4 Runner and the Landcruiser.
Which is WHY I bought the 2024 Nissan Frontier SV 4x4 Crew cab....After test driving the Toyota Tacoma Sport, I was truly disgusted with what Toyota had done.....Not only that but, the Nissan is still made in the USA. has a V6, all steel 6ft bed with factory sprayed in bed liner.
@jeanclaude7018 I test drove the Ford, and Chevy trucks all of which have been castrated with the 4cyl engines, I was not impressed with them either. Nope, i needed and wanted a v6 and Nisan is the only one still offering it, not only that but the price for the truck was nearly 10k LESS than what Toyota was asking. Hey, I still have a 2003 Toyota Camry, runs like a top and am constantly being offered to buy it from me but, NOPE, I could never replace it with something newer that would be as dependable as it has been.
@jeanclaude7018 Why can't you just accept the fact that people buy what they WANT? 😂😂😂.
That new land cruiser has no appeal. If Toyota really wants to commit suicide, they'll follow through with ruining the 4 runner.
They need to offer the Mideast versions. Boxy, simple, manual transfer case, manual transmissions or the proven Aisin's, V-6 naturally aspirated and half the electronics.
the previous landcruiser hand no appeal and sold poorly what did you want toyota to do huh?
Toyota ruined the 2025 4Runner. It’s a 2024 Tacoma with a roof. 4 cylinder Turbo/hybrid engine. Cheap exterior and interior plastics. Who cares if the car is built in Japan if the parts and components are cheaply made. Toyota messed up once again and deserves to fail.
Yep. The new land cruiser makes me cringe
@@kay2187make a cheap NA engine with no bells and whistles for 50k or less
Still driving my 2007 5.7 - Hold the line!
Right on brother. However Toyota hasn't cornered the market of high priced junk cars/trucks. Pretty much every automobile manufacturer is doing the same thing. It's almost like they all got together and shared best practices on building and selling automobiles.
I was only going to buy Toyota and Lexus for the rest of my life. Now I would never buy one for all of these reasons.
Put the old engineers back in charge!
Old engineers are now dead or in nursing homes. There is your troubles. 😢
Untamed I 100% RESPECT your transparency on Toyotas newest vehicles , there’s other channels who aren’t as transparent and seem to dislike my comments on their UA-cam Lives due to them having some type of partnership with Toyota. TrdJon is who I refer to. But honestly you’re the reason I purchased my 2022 TRD Pro 4Runner in Lime Rush. And again I respect your transparency !and don’t change that because we no longer have that these days due to partnerships and censorship. Thank you 🙏
TRDJon is a Toyota Motor Corporation bootlicker tool-bag influencer. I suggest giving TRDJon a big thumbs down and comment on his videos about his BS channel.
MACGA! Making America Car Great Again! No more wasting tax payer money on these "green credit" or EV mandate!
We were in the market for a new toyota highlander or sienna for my wife, bu after they got rid of their V6 engines and switched over to 4 cylinder turbos or hybrids, we ditched toyota and got her a new honda pilot which still uses a V6
@@ovwve-3266.okwlme I don’t blame you one bit. I’m actually considering the 26 Honda Passport for the same reason.
Pilot is nice and more practical over the new 4Runner and hi lander
The Honda v6s are blowing up specially the 3.5 liter
I’d choose the sienna over the passport v6. Sienna will last so much longer as that powertrain is amazing and the fuel economy average is double that of the passport.
Have 80k on my 22 sienna and it runs just like the day I bought it. Only regret was at the time I was only able to find the le trim due to demand. I would have gone with a higher trim as the interior is more better and more comfortable than the base trim.
@@djHALWA
More space inside 4 runner is tiny
I wish Mazda would make a truck again. They have a plant in the US.
Mazda’s B series truck was a Ford Ranger and before that it was a Ford Courier. They never built a truck on their own.
Finally, someone with the stones to say what everybody knows is true. All these other truck channels on UA-cam are afraid to insult their grand master Toyota. Let’s face it this video absolutely nails the problem and Toyota is in big trouble. When Trump and acts those huge 25% tariff on imported Mexican goods they can kiss all their extra profits goodbye.And it’s true, Toyota needs to return to their original values. They’re ripping off the consumer and anyone who buys a Toyota is getting ripped off.
Trumps not putting a 25% tariff unless he wants a recession.
Preach on. Long term Toyota owner. The new breed of vehicles, specifically the Trucks are trash. Fan boys are still yelling about "how great" Toyota is. It's pathetic.
Your commentary is without bias and that shows. Good Job.
I couldn't agree with you more as I live in San Antonio and have several friends that were laid off from the Toyota Plant ,and they were only making $20 per hour and the working conditions were some of the most stringent rules to follow.I've been looking to buy a new Tacoma but the quality just isn't there.
Toyota took a gamble with their new trucks and SUVs to try and chip away at their massive debt. ..increase margin for lesser cost product. Unfortunately, the gamble is a loss and they will have to try again.
According to the sales number they are doing great. But we all know they are lying.
2025 camry is selling like hot cakes
A TRD off road should be $40,000. I’m not paying $50K for it. Never.
Go woke - Go broke. Didn’t Toyota get the memo - CAFE standards are dead. Bring back the V8! 😎
"gO wOkE gO brOke" Toyota is one of the best selling brands right now 😂
Car companies work in 3-5 year cycles. These engines are not coming back as the next president can just change the standards again. They not gonna spend billions to go backwards. Toyota is by far the largest and richest car company in the world.
@@Puiffanick. There are hugely in debt
@@preeyakumari-i2qLook at their Revenue for 2024 alone.
I have two buddies with V6 Tacoma's. They have no interest in the new ones due to price, the turbo four cylinder and made in Mexico. Toyota might have shot themselves in the crotch.
My V6 Tacoma was made in Mexico lol
Their trucks were made in San Antonio.They're not interested in made in Mexico. I've had a made in Mexico vehicle and never again.@@westcoastplinkin6559
My buddies were made in San Antonio. They have no interest in made in Mexico. My last new vehicle was made in Mexico. I won't make that mistake twice.@@westcoastplinkin6559
I’m just not sold on these hybrid powertrains. Massive, bulky, heavy batteries, with over complicated engineering and slightly better mpg? Higher cost. Just Seems like a mess to me.
I will keep my 23 4runner for a while the new ones looks terrible and cheap materials
I have a 2017 Tacoma off road. And I test drove the new 2024 Tacoma and tundra and they do ride nice, but heeeccckk no, I’m not going to go with a weaker motor and turbo. I want simplicity, longevity, reliability, and affordable. I’m now looking for a previous gen tundra.
As someone who has owned 3 toyotas, I just bought my wife a mazda cx5 after test driving
A rav4. It's quieter has better power and drives much better.
It was also less expensive. Around $8,000 less. She's happy...I have a 2006 sequoia that I drive, it's one of the best cars I've ever owned. I'll keep it till it gives up. I will not buy anything in a truck platform with a 4 cylinder engine...my V8 will go another 200,000 miles or so. Get the politicians
Out of the economy and stop pushing stupid revisions on vehicles....prices will go down
When people stop the insanity of buying just to have a newer car.
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my 2004 Land Cruiser (V8) is 207,000 and I figure if I continue to maintain it appropriately, there's no reason I can't double that...
Toyota became greedy idiots. Wait until the tariffs kick in 🤣
The real problem is not the company but the people. The previous generation of men are responsible and care about quality and reliability. Its happening in all aspect of life not just in automotive market.
Exactly , simplicity and reliability. Personally I don't want turbos for my everyday driver.
Everything is more expensive and that's a whole different video.
Think about it, I bought a 2021 TRD off-road double cab long bed Tacoma with the premium technology package and a few other upgrades like the TRD skid plate and the out the door price in April of 2021 was $36,999. The window sticker was 41k. I plan on keeping this truck until it’s 15-20 years old if it lasts that long.
What color
@ cement, it’s on my channel
I bought a 2006 4Runner w/ 95k miles on it for $15k in 2018. Excellent condition. I can sell it now for $15k with 158k miles on it, in slightly less as good condition. Crazy. I will not be selling it. Love that thing.
New subscriber! Thanks for confirming what I have been observing for the past couple years. We have been a Toyota family for over 30 years and owned 6 or so but we are not happy with the poor quality of the new vehicles, limited on lot availability (Sienna), terrible exorbitant prices with no room for negotiaitons. We will be moving to something else. I had rather drive what we have and put my resources into a rental property that generates income. Thanks again on keeping us up on market conditions.
As a lifelong Toyota fan, you pretty much nailed it!!
Toyota. This is how villains are born.
Now this is how it is done. This guy gives facts, real facts. "Thank you." Everyone can learn from you.
My 07 base model Tacoma 5lug was 16500 brand new. Still driving it today @ 230k.
From Australia, this is absolutely spot on.
I will.stick with My 2014 Tundra
So happy in 2021 I purchased the Land Cruiser 200 Heritage.
Same. Thought about waiting for the new models. Definitely glad I didn't.
I refuse to spend my hard earned money on any truck or suv that has a four cyl . Greedy companies that put their bottom line above all else and at the expense of their loyal customers will not succeed !
Toyota has left the Deming model of management and quality. Look up Edwards Deming, he is the reason Toyota was King. Now, the younger generation thinks they know so much and they destroy all the hard work that made the brand King!
The red ball experiment and his books should be standard reading for anyone who desires to become a mechanical engineer
I’m a Toyota owner of a 2021 Rav-4 non-hybrid.. which we love.
I just purchased a 2023 Nissan Pathfinder SL Premium V6 Naturally Aspirated 9-speed transmission.. absolutely love it. Build , amenities, no longer a CVT transmission and at reasonable price point. Hopefully Nissan gets their financial stability back because they have something good in the New Pathfinder as well. Keep up the Great Content!! 👍
These turbo charged engines just are not going to last very long. They will probably be maintenance nightmares, at least that is what my perception is. I drive a Toyota and thought I would be buying another, but now I don't think its worth it. I am actually looking at American car companies again for the first time in three decades.
The Hilux has been turbo charged for quite some time and is one of Toyotas best selling vehicles worldwide.
I've had good luck with Toyota turbo-charged engines. Can't comment on other manufacturers.
I have a 2014 Toyota Camry and I’ve been looking for a new car but I’ll wait until the prices come down because this is ridiculous.
"Hybridized 4 banger" - That's Toyota's sister's nickname in the neighborhood.
The problem with my 2015 Honda Fit is that it was built in Mexico. It has had some major issues.
Happy Thanksgiving Untamed Fam
It would help if they would ever get started replacing our flawed engines, I have 2022 Tundra, Limited, I only have 16000 mile on mine, and I'm not driving anywhere out town until the engine has been replaced.
The Landcruiser is out of my price range, but I had no idea it was made in Japan. Def more interested now
I have a 1958. So far I love it. Tons of torque (465). The batteries in Toyota hybrids are NiMH, not lithium. Simple and much cheaper to replace.
@@Lowbrass64so are 4Runners and Fj cruisers and land cruisers…Hino plant
@@Lowbrass64how much are your payments if you don’t mind me asking ? Thats the same trim I’m looking at
Just picked up a FE LC $5,200 under MSRP. Great time to buy!
4Runner and GX550 (formerly the GX460) are made on the same assembly line.
I essentially agree with you on all points. Thank you for being a voice of sanity. Ultimately government interference has waisted Toyota's R&D money on trying to get too much HP out of a 4-cylinder (too small) and thus overheating & ruining the engine.
If Toyota has any brains,they’ll start offering the Tacoma, Tundra etc with a V6 & V8 option.
@@jimmyg6780 man that’d be a refreshing turn of events… wishful thinking of course, but it’d be sweet!
It's what we all hope....
I love that you point out the facts about going green with these hybrid engines, people need to understand the manufacturing and disposal of these elements.
My love for Toyota stopped after 2019. Now, they are pretty much the same as every other brand. Overpriced and built like it may last 3-5 years, not 30 years like the cars made prior to Covid. My 18 Landcruiser was my last Toyota, and as you said, Toyota castrated the model name for the Landcruiser. Shameful.
I had a 2023 Toyota tundra sr5 double cab which was built in Texas but the quality just wasn’t there. My side mirror was falling apart just from everyday use, the gaskets on the window seals were warped/ not set properly. Plus the double cab was so small, could barely fit my daughter’s car seat. I traded it in for a 2020 Toyota tundra limited crewmax. Quality is a night and day difference! Love the big backseat, 5.7 liter V8 is great, and I can get aftermarket parts/mods anywhere for cheap!
Excellent videos !!! Continue the excellent work !!!
Subscribed and commented, your a smart guy and I appreciate the informative video.
I’ve always appreciated Toyota, but given the recent concerns around reliability and pricing, I won’t consider purchasing one until they address these issues.
I hope Toytoay is listening...
Looked at the Toyota dealerships website I got my 21 Taco from, and the 2024 are almost all "There Price" which means nothing really!~
The financial industry aside, Toyota holds more debt than any other company on earth.
They really dug themselves into quite a situation, and they want to play with wokeness on top of that? It probably won't take much to bring down Toyota, unfortunately.
They also make a ton more revenue. 2024 Toyota YTD revenue is 311B compared to 182B for Ford.
I agree 100%!
I own a 1990 4Runner, 2013 Rav-4, and a 2008 FJ. I’m not interested in any of the new Toyotas right now. I hope that the new administration drills for oil, gas prices come down and Toyota brings the V-6 and V-8’s back!!!
Hybridation of trucks wasn’t done to make them greener but rather to get more power out of them.
@jeanclaude7018. Exactly
You make some good points, but greed always wins out. We've seen this time and time again with so many different industries.
I met a little old lady at a Toyota dealership this week. She brought her Highlander in for a new windshield, and they COULD NOT get a Toyota windshield because they come from China. The lady refused a generic windshield....so she traded in her Highlander that needed a windshield, and paid cash for a brand new one! She said it is her fifth Highlander!
2:30 "still sitting collecting dust".but i see collecting SNOW. Lol
hey UM - good video. after your jeep video i was gonna gave up on you. but now, this video.... i gotta say.... it has my attention and grit. The moment you said they castrated the powertrain, I decided not to unfollow u. I am passionate about peace of mind and cars just like you. thank you for making this video. I got u. I will still follow u. You are good content creator. keep it up. man. thanks.
The problem is the other big manufacturers are already suffering massive drops in sales and buckling under their own weight. Toyota is always last to the game, which has always been a good thing in the past because they keep what works. The problem is the other manufactures have figured out that 15-25% drops in sales quarterly will not sustain the company. Yes there are people who can afford what ever they want every 4-5 years. So you sell a $65-$100k a vehicle one time for every 20 customers and miss out on 19 sales. The people who can pay that money won't buy a new vehicle yearly.
Its easy to see when you go to a GMC/Chevy/Ram dealership and still see new 2023 models on the lot. They better wake up soon.
I dirive a 22 gmc company work truck and my son has a 22 corolla,at 60,000 km the corolla needs brakes, the sierra has 243,000 and brakes are still original.I work for a gravel company and the GMC sees a lot of dust,no issues yet.
All car maker right now are really inflating their prices, which is why I'm repairing my clunker 97 and drive that. I'm never buying a new car for probably another 30 years.
I counted 20 new tacomas at the local
Lot. Last year there were none.
They had 8 tundras.
Zero land cruisers
Now you are talking my language Thanks
I have a Lexus ES350 2011, has 210,000 and still run like a clock. In fact, comparing to my other new cars; it runs so much better and I will hang on until the wheels fall off.
I’m 52 years old I don’t wanna buy a new truck that’s gonna last me until I’m 72 years old 20 years that’s it. It has to be simple. I want a replica of the 90s Toyota four-wheel-drive truck the exact same size with wider drive axles like a bronco with wide flares something I can put 37 on with a 2 inch spacer kitand 40s with some serious modification, but I want strong axles and simplicity and low gears
So buy an old one replace the entire drivetrain, the steering the front end and everything else you need to do update the interior power seats Bluetooth whatever you need to do it will cost you 10’s of thousands less and it will get you through the rest of your life. I don’t understand why this is so difficult for people.
@@TruckinNpluckin2 the enthusiats on this channel want somehting most people actually dont want.
My 2003 tundra was 5 years old, with 60 thousand miles. It still runs great. Regular maintenance 189 thousand miles and some change. I am glad, I never sold it, many people have asked to buy it, then what, buy a new truck? Hell no! That is just throwing money away!
V6 and V8…or I’m not buying.
The company I work for has factories down in Mexico when they used to be in the US. One of our quality control engineers did a site visit with us and told us the issue with Mexico manufacturing. He basically said they can’t keep personal long enough because people leave for another factory for as little as a .10 cent raise.
You nailed it!
Spot on. I had a 2024 TRD Tundra 1794 traded it in with 3900 miles. Too many issues and too much thin plastic. It was my 4th Toyota and likely my last. They have completely lost their way. On top of it the dealer and Toyota Corporate were completely nonexistent when I asked for help multiple times. Sad
Little kids in Africa are exposed to incredibly dangerous conditions mining cobalt.
2022 Tacoma here, good ol V6....driving it til I die 😎
Simplicity=reliability
Happy Thanksgiving! Hope the little one is doing better. 🙏. I’m currently looking for a Supra but, people are trying as for new MSRP for one with 30,000 miles. I may move to the Z cause I can get a new NISMO one in the $40’s.
I'm so glad I found your channel. Excellent perspective and delivery, very informative and extremely useful as I am in the market for reliable transportation. 👍 Thank you.. be blessed 🙌
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I asked in a video yesterday… Curious, you can get a 2025 two-door Wrangler V6 manual soft top for like 27,500. Thoughts
I also have a 21 forerunner pro which there is no way I’m going to get rid of. I’m curious if you think they will do any type of refresh on the new forerunner due to its sibling the Tacoma having such issues? I suppose it’s too late anyway. Thoughts? Thank you.