Why I Love Megamind
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Taking a look at Megamind and its well-crafted story.
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more demonisation of the incel comunity (i'm not an incel) most of these people arn't crazy evil stalkers who are one moment away from kidnapping and killing women they are broken and lonely and need our compasion
I always liked in 3rd act where the movie tricks the audience into thinking that Metro Man returned but was actually Mega Mind in disguise. And how by the end when the city recognizes Mega Mind as a hero, Metro Man remains anonymous and is happy for him
The best plot twist i had seen
@@Theleaver5088 yeah like they could've actually made Metro Man appear and beat Titan. Then publicly quit and give the reins over to Mega Mind but no. He wasn't happy being a superhero and probably knew that Mega Mind could save the day alone
@@Spongebrain97 the city wouldn’t accept Metroman’s resignation. There’s no reason he could give that could satisfy everyone. He has a fake public death and the city got to collectively mourn his disappearance
@@gameinsane4718 plus, many would've been mad at him for faking his death in the first place
I wish a sequel had happened and forces a team up Megamind and Metroman
Megamind is aging incredibly well and just feels more relatable than ever.
I know your icon character and you are a person of culture.
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It's not even that good
Another way Megamind isn’t really that bad, he never seems to critically hurt anyone. No murder until Metroman’s “death”. And even then, he seemed legitimately shocked. Then he mourns Metroman’s death and even seems to be in a bit of a depression.
He's only superficially evil. He has a good heart deep down, but learns that he can't be conventionally "good" in school, where he's constantly outdone by Metroman. This results in a character that wants to be a supervillain only because he wants to be the opposite of a superhero, and thus is way more invested in the drama and presentation of it all than actually doing anything of substance.
I doubt anybody taught him about the consequences of death
@@ratronald well said, i feel like when things don't go my way in life i sometimes find solace in seizing it for myself by whatever means necessary
@@ratronald He's a bit like the Joker, except way way less evil. Joker, like Megamind, is only in it for the charade of tormenting Batman and Metro Man respectively. And just like Joker, Megamind would have no purpose without the hero there to stop them.
@@ratronald I'd also say it is was his means of having people acknowledge him. By playing the part of the villain, people acknowledged his existence.
This movie is criminally underrated. You mean to tell me that a movie about happy trolls and a movie about a talking baby in a suit gets more recognition than Megamind!
Excuse me sir but the trolls movies are not about happy trolls. The same way this isn't simply a movie about a big headed alien dude. 😒 I'm an adult and adore the trolls movies, the messages in them are amazing and I wouldn't even compare the two cinematically. You can raise things up without beating down 🙌
What
@@Amused_Comfort_Inc the trolls movie is worse then Megamind though, that's not debatable.
I genuinely have a strong dislike for the trolls movies
@@Amused_Comfort_Inc a good message does not mean its a good movie 💀
To Hal fits a certain quote from Abraham Lincoln:
“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
I heard that power doesn’t actually corrupt, but simply draws in those who are already corrupt.
@@ShawndaPrawn I can see how that conclusion can be drawn but I wholeheartedly believe in the saying "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" I think that even the greatest of people can become mad with power when given enough of it for a long enough time.
@@Lightstorm786 or someone who was never powerful from the beginning gets the power their madness shows
@@ShawndaPrawn Maybe power doesnt corrupt, but amplifies that person, If someone is good and gets powers they can act on it and save people, but when someone evil gets powers they use them for their own ends.
True, we see though history how some of the best hearted men and women become monsters when they replace their character with their station
Megamind:”AH! GET BACK YOU SAVAGES!!!”
Roxanne:”It’s fine he’s just not used to positive feedback.”
Underrated scene
❤❤❤
I felt like she should have said that to him. "No! It's positive feedback! They want to shake your hand and pat you on the back!" "Really?"
@@anonygent they treated him differently. And NOW they show him affection. He was confused
Wish there were more villains like Hal. He doesn't understand the word no, he's shown as a villain, and he's treated as such. If that happens, almost every time is the character praised. And the thing is, I can't come up with an exception besides Hal.
Andrew from the show big mouth follows suit. In other shows he would be the shy misunderstood nerd who needs a chance. But no hes rightfully called out for his creepy and pervy behavior. Notably the narrative forces him to shape up. A good lesson for "nice guys"
Revenge of the Nerds! Need I say more?
Don’t know if this counts considering it was from a book, but there’s Ashfur from warrior cats.
@@outathisworld2130 Ashfur is literally the stereotype for incel nice-guys.
I’m going to take this opportunity as a shameless plug for one of my favorite Disney movies that (sort of) gets ignored: Hunchback of Notre Dame. Frollo has an obsession with Esmeralda and tries to put all of the blame on superior forces, he gives up all responsibility for his actions in shamelessly going after her. Hellfire (the song) sums his character up pretty nicely
Megamind and despicable me both came out in 2010. Both about villans who become heroes. I really like despicable me but I’ve always preferred Megamind. Even as an 8 year old, I understood and connected with Megamind more and I loved that it felt more emotionally mature and grounded in reality…despite featuring two aliens. In despicable me I could never get past the fact that police never noticed his giant rocket car or whatever the heck it was 😄
Or the fact that the pyramid is clearly visible behind Vectors house,it's just painted like a blue sky?? What if it rained? Or it was just cloudy??
The rocket car was freaking huge, I hope it ran on some alternative energy source because it would've gotten terrible milage if it ran on gas.
I prefer megamind..
@@kennysan2870 as do I
they treat the villains like criminals but they dont ever do anything to stop them, "did anyone notice the giant white and orange house with a giant triangular thing painted that looks very similar to the great pyramid?" "no." "ok then." it's stupid
This is the first superhero movie I'd seen in a long time that treated the lone, geeky, under dog of the film as a villain. In any other film Hal probably would have been the hero but instead he's creepily realistic. The misunderstood loser who gets the girl in the end is such an overdone trope at this point that I'm sure many were genuinely surprised and probably made a bit uncomfortable when Hal turned to villainy. Most superhero stories prove anyone can be a hero but Megamind proves that anyone can be a villain.
To be fair mega mind was also a misunderstood loser. I feel like the story shows two sides of that personality type. The one that is a genuinely good person who just needs a chance and the other who is just an ass hole
Uncomfortable because it pointed out truth
@@seanslaysean7097 Absolutely, so many terrorists and school shooters were just like Hal, small, seemingly insignificant, and easily ignored, one may even call them misunderstood. The idea that given the right circumstances and experiences more people could have turned out like Hal is almost scary to think about.
@@kameronjones7139 and that's the KEY point here. By showing those two sides you don't outright vilify folks but show how a misunderstood loser can become the villain and turn into the evil incel but also how the misunderstood loser can rise above the darkness and become the hero. You show folks who may be struggling between these aspects the right path instead of drilling in folk's head that they are bad folks and that society is right to fully reject them.
You don't get hal, if you did you would empathize with him. He was taken advantage of by people.
Ah yes, Megamind: The Villian, the Hero, the Subversion, the Meme
Yes
You forgot showman.
Not just a villian. He's a SUPER Villian.
Simply because he has PRESENTATION!
Hal had to be the best written "ahead of its time" characters ever. I don't think I've ever seen a character like that who reflects such an ugly side to humanity and one who was called out on years before it started to arise on mass.
I would say it was common enough when the movie came out.
@@shadenox8164 but the nice guy trope definitely wasn’t as popular as it is now
@@datboi945I think we all knew a few of them before the terminology was made concrete.
What are you talking about? Hal was taken advantage of by a super villian.
@@datboi945 it feels like a name people use to not take responsibility for themselves.
I've read the original script and it was much darker and cynical. Jonah's character, Hal, was originally was shown from frame one to be a sleezbag. Everything else was quite similar on every other character front. Obviously Will added a bunch of him to the role. It's a really different but great script to read.
Do you know where I could read the original script
I think it works much better without Hal being characterized as a sleezbag. It makes his character arc much better, and also doesn't undermine Megamind's intelligence, Hal's heel turn comes as a surprise to both the audience and Megamind.
I thought he was already pretty uncomfortable, tbh.
@@Nukestarmaster yes but it set up to make you realize that all this is mega mind fault.
@@senister14 this you?
"Yes I do because hal isn't a villain in my eyes, because of his choices, but also lazy writing,"
I really liked how you got to show how the dangers of the "Nice guy's" trope that might be overlooked in this movie. That even though it's a kids movie, there is so much to learn, with just the characters, and even more with the story.
Hal was a "nice guy"? He never struck me as such, just an average bully.
@@theelectricprince8231 that's the point bullies like that always call themselves "nice guys"
@@theelectricprince8231 The "Nice Guy" - as in, calls themselves a nice guy, is a dude who is nice to women solely because they think it'll get them what they want. 'I was nice to you why won't you have sex with me'. And there's a large crossover with incels.
There's a lot of videos reposting content from the reddit sub featuring men (sometimes women) raging at women who aren't interested in them or take too long to reply. And can't take no for an answer.
@@LadyAhro I feel like we get the wrong idea here, Incels are people that say they will never get laid because they are ugly. They say their physical looks have doomed them, it's not entitlement. Just self loathing.
@@theelectricprince8231 True an incel might accept his fate while a "nice guy" might never accept that he could not get a girlfriend and keep fruitlessly trying.
God, I love movies where the “nice guy” is the villain
A Narc
How many of those movies do you know?
@@keithkekenbosch9289 Another throne of my favorites is Spiderman 3
@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 you mean eddy Brock Jr?
@@keithkekenbosch9289 I meant Emo Peter, but he works too
I always loved Megamind as a kid, and now I know why. It treats you like a competent person and it's here to say something. There are layers to the story that I don't think I've seen replicated in another "kids" movie. The amazing comedy doesn't hurt either. There are complex ideas and you can tell it exists to make you think, and I picked up on that as a small person, even if I didn't realize it at the time. Kids are smart so we should feed their brains nutritious stuff!
Very few movies "made for kids" have the decency to treat children as competent individuals
I absolutely love Megamind and how it handles it’s story and messages. It showed you don’t ever have to be whatever the world decides for you only you can decide who you want to be. It’s how Megamind could become a hero because he already was a good person at heart and by showing others empathy understanding and care he showed them that he has the heart of a hero. It’s really incredible how well handled the film is in general. As Megamind himself says it’s in the presentation which Megamind excels at.
I’ve always thought that Roxanne would’ve been the Hero Megamind wanted after metromans “death”. She’s intelligent, empathetic, a true hero.
So when Hal became the human. He represents the perversion of the true hero, Roxanne. He lusts after her, as he thinks he’s entitled to her, and what she represents. Hal was told he was entitled to being a true hero. Inadvertently saying he’s entitled to Roxanne in his own mind.
yea i thought she was going to become the hero as well, woulda been cool
@@SagesRain in a way, she did become Megamind’s hero. She’s was empathic and kind towards him and treated him like a person when no one else ever had, ultimately starting his path to becoming a hero himself. Granted it was because she thought he was Bernard, at first. But when you get right down to it, Megamind experienced empathy and kindness towards himself, which had been completely foreign to him up until that point, giving the humanity within him a chance to fully come out. And during the final act of the movie, while Roxanne does act a little abrasive towards him for lying to her(rightfully so), she still treats him like a peer, a person, because she can at least recognize that he genuinely wants to stop Titan from destroying Metro City. And over the course of the final act of the movie, she begins to treat him like a true hero.
@@SagesRain OH, IF THERE WAS ONLY SOLUTIONS TO BIG ISSUES
Like Homeless People and No-Knock-Raids or Drug-Overusage or Such-and-Such.
Oh, if UA-camr Some More News only had come up with really good Solutions.
Maybe when the new Megamind installment realease come, she will be, with 4 other new heroes: the tranz hero, the black guy hero, the super latino-american hero and the colorful hair hero. All girls, naturally.
@@ryuunosuk3LOL what??
One important thing that Hal actually said that i think we should take into consideration is this “there is no queen of England”
That line always gives me a laugh, the execution of said line is hilarious
It's (technically) true, the kingdom of England was abolished in the union act of 1707 and replaced by the kingdom of Great Britain, of which Elizabeth II is the current queen.
@@mshaqed2538 Well shit not anymore
@@TheShineSpark 💀
It didn't age quite so well.
As an omen of the MCU and the superhero genre as a whole, Megamind somehow remains timely and timeless, acting as the self-prophetic deconstruction and critique of what would follow in its wake
I really like how throughout the movie, (and in this video) you can see Roxanne's dress turn from red to purple to blue as she catches feelings for Megamind.
I always thought it was shallow and objectifying when even Megamind says he’s the bad guy and “doesnt get the girl” because it totally is a matter of being a trophy and not a person. But I can appreciate that, despite the wording, Meganmind doesnt want “the girl”, he wants Roxanne because he genuinely likes her once he gets to know her as Bernard. Thus I also really appreciate that they didnt show any signs of him liking her until he was Bernard. I could see that he found her wit charming, but I find it more believeable that he also didnt see her as more than “the girl”/bait for Metro man until he got to know her which makes him much more sympathetic in that aspect. He also probably didnt even consider being with her since he had the same concrete idea of hero vs villain, but I think that also makes it much more wholesome. When he stopped thinking of himself as only a villain he was able to find his identity beyond that and who he’d want to be with rather than who he was “destined” to be with (either another villain (like minion, but purely in a platonic master/underling dynamic) or just himself since villains dont really get to have the “reward” of being in love).
> 'I always thought it was shallow and objectifying when even Megamind says he’s the bad guy and “doesnt get the girl” because it totally is a matter of being a trophy and not a person.'
I'd add that this isn't Megamind 'objectifying' Roxanne as much as it is him venting about the 'story'/game they're all in (where he himself likewise isn't a person but just 'the bad guy'). In essence he's dialing back to what was simple and made sense in that moment because he convinced himself it hurt less to objectify HIMSELF, though he and anyone else watching can tell he's lying about that.
Just makes it all the better at the end where, after all his show & bravado & acting (as both Megamind & Metroman), she simply turns off his disguise watch & smiles at him - making it clear to him that he doesn't have to keep objectifying himself anymore.
@@DBArtsCreators That is an excellent point. While Metroman probably is most similar to people who were "forced" into the "good life" like the child of a great actor feeling like they had to become an actor (not to diminish that kind of struggle as with all the mental health issues that celebrities face, it definitely shows money, fame and adoration don't make you complete), Megamind definitely views them all as actors to a grand play, objectifying them all as a singular role instead of a person.
The movie really goes to great lengths to expose that all his excitement and pride of being a villain to Metroman is just surface level and once it's gone and he's stuck with himself, not only does he have to question what he has left, but even retroactively makes him realize he really wasn't happy about being a villain. He was just complacent and decided to roll with it to ignore how the fact that he didn't actually want to be "the bad guy."
This is not reddit
@@JRBDWD ?
@@morisatsuki3659 Glad you brought up Metroman, because he's the one who started all this for the same reason: he realized that the "Good Guy" role he'd filled for his whole life just wasn't fulfilling for him. this lead to Megamind eventually realizing that being the "Bad Guy" who always loses was equally unfulfilling for him.
Hal is a good demonstration of lust and it's differences with love. Love is an ocean that gives, Hal doesn't want to give anything to Roxanne. He lusts for her- he wants something from her- and that's it. He thinks the only thing holding him back is power. He lusts for power, he lusts for MetroMan's power.
I don't think you understood him.
"Hal seems harmless."
At no point watching that movie did I see Hal as harmless. He's creepy as f*k at all times. He's stalker material from his first moment on screen.
Hey, this guy's beating up his van at a minor rejection. I wonder what will happen if we give him superhuman strength?
He was, what you call creepy I call socially awkward, you just don't try to understand him.
@@senister14
I don't know, I think we understood him reasonably well.
To be clear, when we say he's creepy we're not saying he's a serial killer, looking for a way to hurt her. We are, however, saying that he was very much drooling over and fantasizing about her, without any actual empathy for her as a person, and then throwing violent fits when things didn't go his way. It really wasn't hard to read how that was going to go.
@@eyesofthecervino3366 not really, most people can't figure out that he was bullied, that's why he turned on the city. Plus he was right, roxane never tried to get to know him besides taking advantage of him. He did like her, you could tell, plus he empathize for her that's why he became a hero for her. Yes because it really felt personal to him, like doing all the work and not getting the paycheck. Yeah as an adult I know realize how bad of a person roxane is and how Hal was taken advantage of by everyone.
@@senister14
This sounds to me like projection. We never see anyone bullying Hal, everyone's nice to him, even when he's obviously lying to and trying to manipulate them. It seems kind of weird that the filmmakers would have a character always treated well on screen, and then have him directly say that he turned villain because he was rejected by this one girl, and then to conclude that he did what he did because every time the camera looked away he was getting beat in the subway.
Also, the whole thing about doing the work and not getting the paycheck is exactly what we're talking about when we say he's an entitled creep. He had no desire to be a hero to help people: he's just a conman trying to emotionally blackmail someone into being with him. And Roxanne didn't promise him that, she didn't even ask anything of him. It'd be like if I mowed your lawn for you without asking, and then put a lien on your house. You didn't ask me to do that, you didn't even necessarily want your lawn mowed the way I did it -- I definitely don't have the right to force myself into your life like that, do something I decided to do, and then try to force something out of you in return. Like, of course that's not how it works -- imagine if someone you're not interested in decided to do something to make you like them? Are they entitled to your affection? Are you the bad guy if you still don't want to be theirs?
Y’all bois remember when titan told Roxanne to come over I’m having a party but turn out there was nobody their now imagine what this man could’ve did to Roxanne if she came to his apartment 😐
ack!!
I dont know how I didn't realize that Metroman didn't want to be a hero. It makes sense now that I'm hearing it. Great video my dude.
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Everybody does.
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Titan is one of those villains that terrifies me because I can see a little too much of myself in him sometimes. Love how this movie is just aging like fine wine.
Good point. Though I still wish he has more depth than how he's portrayed in the film due to that fact. A reflection after he loss his power and jailed would be a nice touch.
And to be honest, people with any slight "incel" quality would get dunked on like being a candy on an anthill and it did not help the rest situation in the slightest. It also doesn't help those who can grow out of it to do so, either and people keep whining when they're incressing in numbers as a result. The only reason they're not becoming a major threat is because they don't believe in struggle or channel their willpower correctly (Let alone ORGANIZE a movement or develop strategies and tactics to actually win). One reason I quit being one after I reached 20.
@biocaster777
The concept of an Organized Incel State is seriously horrifying.
If I were to describe hal it would be the "nice guy" he represents what if a rejected "Nice guy" got powers
I would describe him as a creep
Like Homelander? Sure he's not that "nice guy", but when you look into it more, both him and Hal end up receiving powers, but only end up being the villains out of petty reasons.
@@osmanyousif7849 ehh Homelander when looking at his past it's understandable on how he ended up like that he needed better guidance and needed morals instilled In him. Hal on the other hand is just an intitled idiot like incels he believes that Roxanne owed him something
@@theoutsiderjess4869 I mean that is what "nice guys" (notice the use of quotes to dictate we aren't talking about guys who happen to be nice), are.
@@shadenox8164 no they're not? Ducky wasn't a creep, neither was ted Mosby or Joseph Gordon levitt, they were awkward nerds. Even lenard from big bang was a nerd.
This movie was a underrated masterpiece and i am glad it lately has been gaining some recognition
“Hal has a certain image, an image that is trending towards a certain group of people that hate women.”
Oh god… Hal is a gamer…
most oppressed group of people.
I think he's an incel... it's more fitting image for him
@@annagolyakova3890, I believe you missed the joke
But i saw many male gamers with girlfriends.
@@lagopusvulpuz1571 saw, key word. Jk though.
I hope no gamers (tm) have partners though.
" [Hal is] is in love with the idea of being with her and the affirmation that this relationship would give him about himself." I want to send this to every "Nice Guy" out there cause straight up this is their Creed
Literally just watched this yesterday. An outstanding movie!
i watched it when i was very young
Where?! I can’t find it anywhere
@@outathisworld2130 Amazon Prime Video
Same
I was OBSESSED with this movie for a good year after it came out- So glad to see it getting the recognition it deserves nowadays!
I watched Megamind a few years ago on Netflix and I'm glad everyone has been shouting their love for this movie across the internet because it is amazingly well written and realistic about what it means to be a genuinely good person from the heart and genuinely care about others vs just pretending to. there's not enough movies about the nuances of what it means to be "good" that do it as well as Megamind does.
I loved this movie when we saw it on cinema, rewatched everytime on tv cable and now netflix. I can say every person who has been stalked by a Hal (being guy or girl) could recognize inmediatly the toxicity in Hals.
Man, the "private party with balloon castle" just gave me the creeps and send red flags all over him. I didn't need to see his house to already know nothing of that was in fact real just by changing the line every time Roxane turned him down.
When you know, you know
"no that's the best part, it's just you and me"
@@cameroredrocket8768 not creepy smile and intense silent staring at all
I'm glad you emphasized that it can be a girl or guy. It's a lesson for everyone that you can't force other people to fulfill whatever fantasy you have of them.
"There's no queen of England" -Hal
I think Shaffrillas put it best “Hall Stewart is an incel”
I wish that Benign Evil was more common, Characters who take on a "Villain" Role but actually aren't that evil like Doctor D from Phineas and Ferb or Number 21 from The Venture Bros.
The Show I think that did this well is Codename: Kids Next Door with a majority of The Villains, starting with Gramma Stuffum who yes makes sentient food monsters but only does so for kids to eat a balanced diet rather than junk food all the time.
What you said about Hal is true. I strongly believe that there are A LOT of people who, when they get super powers like him, they would become villainous instead of heroic. Myself included. When you can choose between being able to fly or turning invisible, many of us say flying out loud because that is what others want to hear, but we all know, deep down, we would want to be able to turn invisible. And not because we are super introverted and want to avoid people. We robbin banks baby
I like your honestly. And yeah, I think most of us would turn to villainy.
in that regard, you might find the myth of the Ring of Gyges interesting.
"with great comes great responsibility"
Most people: nah
Hey, as long as you don't become a superhuman incel, go rob all the banks you want. You'd be doing a whole lot less harm to others than Hal...
I want to turn invisible so that I can cross the country borders without needing legal documentation
I'm glad that so many great, underated movies from years prior are being recognised by the public eye in modern day. Megamind continues to age miraculously.
"Power does not measure a man. Nor does it corrupt a man. Power reveals. When a man is given the power they've always wanted, their true intentions are always revealed."
Megamind was totally underrated movie especially dreamwork movies like Prince of Egypt and Sinbad.
the black mamba suit is always my favorite megamind scene
Most of the time I think of selfishness and evil as the same thing, but there is definitely a time and place where you have to put yourself first
How is selfishness and evil the same thing? That sounds like something an autistic child would say
@@danielhart7435 Uh... what's with the random potshot at autistic people? Specially considering in my experience the kind of people who would classify being selfish as evil are the kind of people who would also just attack autistic people as doing something negative for no reason.
Autistic people aren't stupid and frankly because they have to deal with people such as yourself on the regular they're probably more aware that people are different and more aware of nuances than you are.
Moving on from that, selfishness becomes evil as most things do when it brings harm to others. Its not inherently evil and is in fact on some level necessary for someone to exists in a healthy way. But it is a fact we tend to get taught about it like its this inherent evil, to be selfish is to always be bad. And that's the shit neurotypical people come up with, its right up there with the idea one should always forgive for your own sake, which makes people feel like they're the problem if they can't. Pretty gross you try to pin that neurotypical shit on autsitic people.
"The measure of a man is what he does with power." Aristotle
The reason why people and characters like Hal exist, is because they simply do not understand how to gain the love of others.. and that lack of understanding drives them to try to fulfill all the steps that they believe will get that.. but the problem is that no one explains how any of it works to them. They get their knowledge by observation without any idea of why things work out the way they do.. they just see it as logical cause and effect. "She likes guys.. that guy that she likes has muscles and a nice sense of style.. so If I too gain those things, that will make me desirable.. and once that happens, I can make her mine." But thats about as far as he can understand it.. no one breaks down the qualities that are actually attractive to them, so they focus on the obvious and easy to see qualities.. and when it fails they grow frustrated. When they fail again and again because they lack the right tools and knowledge to achieve success in love.. they grow bitter and hateful, they become what Hal became.
Hell in Hal's case he wasn't even observant enough to notice that yes she liked Metroman, but she didn't LOVE him and as a result was working from a faulty premise of what Roxanne is interested in romantically.
The thing is, though, that Hal didn't actually even want love; he wanted, liked mentioned, a trophy.
@@Sigart Hal of course, yes. But my point is that characters like Hal often are as I described.. once he got super powers he was still after the gal that he was obsessed with.. honestly he could have left and found someone else that would fangirl over him
@@Sunmourn Yes, that's true. But if you've seen a large part of the Nice Guys (tm) that are roaming the wild reaches of the web has a similar attitude. Even if they profess to want love, their reaction upon being rejected proves that they wer enever interested in love, just validation.
@@Sigart yup. But to be fair, if you are a person that feels that no one is interested, and that no one loves you, no matter how hard you try, (even if you are trying in the wrong ways) over time you will become desperate. Your feelings of self worth will degrade, and you will be harsh on yourself, like he was when he suggested a stupid date idea, though he didn't realize he came off as desperate.
In time you will crave validation so much that when you continue to be denied it, you will become a bitter and spiteful person.
In time, love becomes the validation, it becomes the trophy so much so that the person stops caring what others want and feel like, they focus only on what they want so badly, it becomes a need.
“A child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.” - African Proverb, sure most cultures have some version of this statement. Children crave attention in whatever form that is so they will repeat activities that get them that. Megamind did bad things, Metroman did good things. Megamind didn't even care to win just be in the spotlight for a bit.
And even when he initially tried to go good things, they were interpreted as bad. He was given no benefit of the doubt.
Wise quote
This also applies to Hal too right? Outcast turned crazed villain. It was tragic to watch.
@@drysten887True, I didn't look at it that way because of the differences in how things go when acceptance comes their way. Hal is given a heroes welcome after his fight with MM but goes on to terrorize the city because one person didn't reciprocate his affections. Based on an assumption that he deserved it and that she was dating the previous superhero. Truth is I don't think Hal found meaning in life and grew up thinking might makes right, so when heroics didn't get him what he wanted he took it. Short of getting his crush to act like she loves him on condition of being an upstanding hero i don't think Hal would every act virtuously.
@@Lungi3 Beautifully put.
Megamind needs either a high quality TV show or 2 more movies that gives MetroMan more time to develop his character. He's really interesting but man he has no screen time at all.
Well a TV show is officially in production so… lucky you!
For both Megamind and Kung Fu Panda, I was expecting just the Shreck treatment applied to other genres aside from fairytale movies going in. Both times, I was genuinely surprised to see a story with a great message about free will and choosing to do what's right that is a good _unironic_ example of its genre as well as being very funny.
Dreamworks is the "high risk, high reward" animated movie company. They either make something amazing or something terrible because they are will to go so far with their premise and take a chance.
I also like how metroman didn't come back, he was being setup as an ex-machina cliche like so many movies but they flipped the script and actually kept megamind as the one to actually save the city.
Although I would've loved to see metroman clap tightan, I'm really glad they did what they did.
It is interesting how you didn't see Hal as a threat. As someone who has had to deal with quite a few Hals in real life he always seemed threatening to me. Maybe not threatening enough to do something about it (because noone would believe that because he seems so unthreatening to others) but someone to still treat carefully (which is what Roxanne does as well).
I found him terrifying.
Exactly. Roxanne keeps a polite distance. That's what people usually do because there's no outright reason to be violent/angry without looking terrible yourself, but you can also see the red flags. Roxanne reacts very believably.
When really, how much workplace harassment is she dealing with? It's not very professional to be inviting your colleague to your house to play in a bouncy house (which, let's be frank, wasn't real).
I'm happy people are talking about this movie
As kids we like the heroes. As adults we understand the villains.
First of all, this may very well be the first time I've given any consideration whatsoever to downloading an app that sponsored a UA-camr. As for the meat of the video, I know Hal all too well. He's something I very easily could have become, superpowers aside- arrogant, entitled, violently misogynistic, and with an ego so large it actually endangers himself and others around him. Megamind and Metro Man have egos, but not to the point of losing self-awareness or believing they're owed anything. Anyone has potential for great good or great evil, but only if they are allowed, and allow themselves, to realize that potential. Megamind, Metro Man and Hal were all given gifts, and powerful ones, and where they fall on a scale of morality is a matter of how they choose to use them. Dumbledore and Mewtwo both have lines about this sort of thing, but it's always sort of saddened and worried me that extreme intelligence as a "superpower" is associated with villains. Megamind eventually breaks that trope, but it's very much in effect in-universe, especially when you contrast him with Metro Man's more traditional Superman-like powers. You could sit around and pick Megamind apart for symbolism, metaphors, parallels with reality, and call-outs of traditional superhero stories and their blunders, because it's full of them, but not in a pretentious way, and can just as readily be watched completely non-critically, and THAT is what makes it a good movie and a good carrier of its messages.
This is a remarkable interesting take on the every man trope. Both characters are similar, having a unsual look to a hero, but, as Titan feels like he deserves the girl as a "good job, here is your trouphy" for fitting in the hero outfit, Megamind truly proves himself a hero by doing the right thing just to help others.
One is a good guy. Other is a good person.
Indeed, you can do good things for the wrong reasons.
Not a trophy more like a paycheck, because he did everything right, why couldn't Roxane ever be real with him?
@@senister14 When she's real with him he not only won't listen to her warning but he's about to let her fall off a building. Never mind that he not only doesn't care to listen to her but also doesn't care that she's terrified for her life.
She was a coworker, so why didn't he behave professionally with her? Why didn't he just ask, "Do you want to go on a date?" and then accept an answer? Even that can be unprofessional, but it's at least within reason. Look at the difference between Megamind and Hal getting rejected. Megamind is devastated, but he walks away. He does try to argue with her, but in the end, he listens and accepts her answer. He doesn't do anything to hurt or scare her. And she's not afraid of him (physically) harming her, even if she's not sure what his "evil plot" is.
Hal terrifies her and then screams over her. He cares nothing about how scared she is or what she thinks or wants. He doesn't listen to a word she says. He does, at least, fly away. At first. But he also attempts to legitimately crush her with a bus later. Roxanne would not have been able to protect herself from that bus. And for what? Because she said they would never be a thing? Roxanne is never mean to Hal. She tries to maintain a professional working relationship with him. If he can't be real with her, how can she be real with him?
Hal has the ability to be a good person and chooses not to. He treats her very poorly, from insulting her writing in the start (which she politely ignores to preserve a good working relationship) to inviting her, very unprofessionally, to play in a non-existent bouncy house (where exactly would that bouncy house have been in his apartment?) How many male coworkers invite you to their homes to play in a bouncy house? Would that not be incredibly off-putting?
Hal can still be a good person if he actually chooses to better himself. Playing with something for a few weeks(?) and then giving up because you're not really interested in it isn't bettering yourself.
That said, it's also wrong for Megamind to try and force him to be Metro Man. Nobody should be forcing anybody into any role. It's a huge point of the movie. NO character in the movie should be forced to be who others want them to be.
@SugarThyme okay are you just following me or what?
@@senister14 Nope, just read and replied to comments just like you did.
I think my favorite experience with this movie was when I watched it with my mom, it was her first time seeing the film, but I had seen it already, and she already saw Hal for what he was, so when the power pill started to bounce around the place and then go into the pipe, with Hal in one of the video screens, she instantly saw what was about to happen and just turned to me going, "NO, NOOOO!!!", and all I could do was green evilly and reply Yes!
This is honestly one of my all time favorite movies. I’ve watched it a dozen times and I still love it. I’m so glad that it’s been getting recognized for how great it is recently.
Guys like Hal in real life are the most dangerous ones. They won’t take no for an answer and when they don’t get what they feel is owed to them, they resort to violence.
Metro-man and Megamind are similar. Metro man became a hero because everyone wanted him to be one. Megamind became a bad guy because everyone considered him to be one
Short Answer: Because it's a fucking GREAT movie
Long Answer:
Easily the best animated superhero movie to me it aged so well, I still enjoy watching it even after seeing it so many times. It's sad it wasn't appreciated as much as it should have been.
What I love about this movie is that it perfectly shows what happens if you give individuals with the "nice guy" syndrome authority and power. Hal - "nice guy" believes he deserves something/someone (Roxanne) because he is "nice" so when he didn't get it he immediately showed the sociopathic or narcissistic behavior underneath because he finally has the power to do so. Simple but so effective.
Saw this movie in theaters three times because I had to show everyone I knew this movie as soon as possible. Going to be 30 this year and it's still one of my favorite movies of all time and will continue to be so.
The "no you can't" campaign became a joke between me and my friends for years... It's still hilarious to me. I can look back on this movie very fondly.
God I fucking love this masterpiece
To this day Megamind is still my favorite movie when the villain is the main character.
It’s a remarkable achievement when a film that came out so long ago, has a story and execution of said story so thought provoking unit themes, that it’s still remembered and dissected by people today.
The movie is perfect imo. It doesn't need another sequel or a spin-off, It's just a movie that works so well from start to finish
Finally. I knew if anyone would talk about what I love about Megamind it was you.
I thing I also really like about the movie and feel is often overlooked is: Megamind wasn't really romantically interested in Roxanne before they spent more time together. He didn't lust after her, probably because the thought of being loved as a person in general never even occured to him. Their relationship was platonic and business related and they were aquaintances at best. Only after they started to bond over the same interests (Metro Mans Death and Megaminds current Rulership) and spent more time together, he started to fall in love with her. It was such a natural progression, rarely seen in movies, let alone those made for children. It always feels rushed, love at first sight, despite them probably knowing next to nothing about the other person even at the end of the movie. Roxanne an Megamind on the other hand felt incredibly natural and believable. Another stark contrast to Hals relationship with Roxanne, because he didn't know anything about her AND wanted to rush into a relationship, while Megamind took the time to get to know her without having any expactions whatsoever.
megamind also never really planned to have a relationship with roxanne. he was just trying to get away without her seeing him and didn't anticipate she would actually be interested in him (because she wasn't really interested in the real bernard).
For me it shows what happens when you break the status quo and you realize that there always a little bit of gray when it comes to Megamind and Metroman.
Every detail of deep critisizing of this movie. Is so impact that I seen what you said. To me hall is a broken character who wanted one thing but ends up not obtaining it. But now that you said all those things I am starting to see the Character he is, he is a Villian whose desires are his purpsose he doesn't care about the bigger picture or what events would happen if he Made Action to it. He is a normal mindset bad guy, what it wants does, and if it's done it's over, then gluttons to what ever peeks its interrest and the cycle mindset continues.
It's ironic how some people in jail are not always pure evil they merely made bad decisions and were willing to raise a baby regardless of how he looked. And in some cases irl I've heard of how some people in jail are willing to kill those who harm children or animals which means they still have morals and still hate what is truly evil and can't be undone
This movie was way ahead of its time
who DOESN'T love megamind? if they don't, they're in denial, or they're insane
I never realized how much I could relate on megaminds behalf with societal perception till I got older. My family depicted me as the weirdo and made it seem as a bad thing, I was picked on for being weird because I didn’t look a certain way, didn’t follow fashion trends and was a huge nerd obsessed with my own interest and nearly everywhere I went nobody understood me. Soon enough I adapted being “weird” into my own thing and was more free being myself unapologetically :v
Here before 100 views because this channel is great and I agree with the title, Megamind is one of the best films.
this is a criminally underrated movie.
There are two things I love most about this movie:
1) Megamind isn't a typical villain. Despite growing up in a prison and shunned by his peers, all he wants is to fit in. He only kidnaps Roxanne because he likes to banter with her. He messes with Metro Man because he likes the game of them being rivals. His worst crimes after Metro Man dies is vandalism and theft. He's not used to being good, but he already has the heart of a hero.
2) Hal/Tighten. In most stories characters of his trope are either geeky sidekicks or a comical relief loser. Until Megamind no one bothered to give them unbeatable powers and turn them into demigods.
And as a bonus, Metro Man himself is unique: he likes the attention and being there for people, but he doesn't like being the hero all the time. He was thrust into being a hero just like Megamind was forced to be a villain via society's expectations.
as someone who grew up with this movie and still loves it every time i watch it, you captured the themes and characters perfectly. megamind is one of my favorite movies ever and i was pleasantly surprised you decided to talk about it :)
I like this video and the "Why I love Tai lung" videos
You had some great insights that I never heard before. I always felt conflicted about Metro Man ditching being a hero to play music but I think you explained it great here, he was selfish but not evil. Some great thoughts about Hal too, like how he didn't even know what flowers Roxanne liked because ultimately he didn't care about her as a person. A very good video!
Megamind and Incredibles( one, as the second movie, was a flop) is a great representation that not all people understand power, No all can be a hero, but good men always are good men, and they will become heroes in due time.
I love Megamind,it's one of my all time favorite Movies with alot of great Message and Themes,it's a perfect Story about Nature vs. Nutcher and that nobody makes us who we are or what we choose to be,that Faith and Destiny is something that we choose for ourselves,Metro Man choose to retired because he was tired of the same Cycle,Hal/Titan/Tighten choose to be Evil and a Villain not just because he was a Incsel but because that's who he is on the Inside Deep Down as a terrible and horrible Person,Roxanne could have choose anyone but she choose Megamind because she saw the good Person he is,and Megamind made alot of terrible choices and mistakes but in the end he choose to be a Good Person and a Hero because in Nature and who he is is someone that what's to be loved one of them being Minion and Roxanne,all in all 10 out of 10 this is a Masterpiece of a Movie that of 12 Years that deserves alot of love and attention,however that's about to change similar some is coming with Megamind in the Future,as long as it isn't a Cash Cow I will be Happy.
This movie reminds me of the takeaway from the iron giant- you are who you choose to be.
You summed up the contrast between Megamind and Hal perfectly. Megamind respected Roxanne's feelings when she said that she didn't want anything to do with him. Hal, by contrast, lashed out and tried to kill Roxanne when she wouldn't return his feelings. Ultimately, Megamind may have looked the part of a supervillain, but was a superhero, deep down. By contrast, Tighten may have looked the part of a superhero, but was a supervillain, deep down.
Hal is basically if r/niceguys had superpowers and it’s honestly creepy cause that is probably how most of them would act if they had god like powers
Megamind is an underrated movie. Metro Man was loved by the people due to having powers and doing the right things wasn't happy about his given destiny. Megamind was shunned and ridiculed by the people for being different and raised in prison but showed he has a heart and was willing to sacrifice for the greater good despite being a villain from the start. Al started off playing the nice guy but had dark intentions. He felt entitled and wanting to impress his crush but got rejected and showed his true colours after Megamind gave him powers.
It's a really good story of changing your fate and seeing and understanding the real person behind the public perception.
When Megamind came out i was just a kid without much of a critical eye for anything, but i knew a good movie when i saw one and vise versa, but whenever i brought up Megamind on the topic of movies i never had my opinions reflected.
For most it was like a rude reminder this movie existed and the worst part was i couldn't explain why i actually liked it beyond the villain becoming the hero cliche and the pacing which i still argue is near perfect.
But i never actually understood why it was great before i eventually dropped the whole movie from my mind like everyone else but over the past few years there have been some videos exploring this movie and it completely brought back my dormant imagination and every time my view is expanded further than it ever could have on my own, its literally more than 10 year old me could have ever asked for!
I just really appreciate the attention, time and effort put toward this video here and everywhere else, it has a bit more of an impact than you might think and quite the ego boost for 10 year old me lol (Perhaps with some residual effects leaking into the present)
I'm so happy Megamind is been talked more and more, was criminally underrated in his time, robed by Despicable Me of the recognition that deserved, and now slowly more and more people start realizing how great of a film was, specially in today era of Super Hero films.
I've always loved how Megamind and Metroman had nothing against each other personally
It really was just the roles they were playing
Really love how megamind age like fine wine
The more people I hear talk about this movie, The more I love this movie
Megamind has gotten a lot of love recently, and this pleases me.
Very well phrased: "He's blue, bald" or "He's blue balled"... either way, it fits.
Nice?oh please Hal was a creep before he gets his power,he LITERALLY invited Roxxan to a "alone time" with a WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHER
I love this look at one of my favourite animated films! I really enjoyed your very accurate and intelligent commentary. This is a movie that has a dedicated fan base but is only now , 11 years later, finally starting to be recognized for its value by viewers in general. So it's awesome to see someone really diving into what makes this surprising animated film great.
When it comes to villains I say Titan is the one who reminds a bit of Homelander his scary not because he a character like Death but because his feel real and they are people who are evil like him.
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