If gold buying was not possible I would have zero problem with GDKP's. With gold buying it turns into pay up and you can outbid everyone on all gear, all the time. Completely busts the spirit of grouping together and sharing in the win
@@brandonkruse6412that’s not the problem . I play with normal guilds but because of GDKP and gold buying the prices of literally everything skyrockets to absurd amounts . If you wanna run old content good fucking luck finding a regular pug or SR group .
I join GDKP´s to get the gold from the gold buyers lol but in a "legitimate" way. (I never buy gold) I then use that gold to be able to fight some of them over some gear. (or bid them up so they have to pay more thus netting ME more gold) And almost always, they´re only interested in the "rare" super upgrades. (because goldbuyers are super stacked gear wise) and that makes people like me be able to bid for regular upgrades super cheap. Win win! Doing GDKP´s I always end up with a shit ton more gold then I ever could farm myself, and the same amount of gear if I´d join a MS/OS run. I´d probably get more gear only joining SR runs. But nah f that. When I myself is stacked, from doing GDKP´s, and buying the cheap loot, I then join SR raids and just SR that last piece that´s always super expensive in GDKP´s.
This is why I play turtle wow. It's not official but its classic + with custom stuff and gdkp is banned. Gold buyers are wiped of gold when caught and banned if they do it again.
In ERA I cant get into a BWL clear without it being a GDKP or a locked guild clear where all loot/mats go to the guild and you're just there to either complete quests and collect repair costs. In SoD there are GDKP SFK/BFD and the guild runs are the same, all gear/mats go to the guild, you're just there as cannon fodder. You can't play any version of WoW for fun anymore. Even private servers have the same issue.
GDKPs have clearly ruined all classic, creating a terrible barrier for newcomer's as well as eroding the classic values and immersion and most dangerously allows you to bypass the game's core gameplay loop via RMT as blizzard does not ban gold selling or bots to any significant margin. It must be banned or the game will decay to trash again.
I think this is a bit blown out of proportion and sensationalized. GDKP hasn’t ruined the game. I will agree that bots are annoying but they do have their benefits. Just like in OSRS, the existence of bots allows for cheap prices on trade goods, pots and professions materials. That seems pretty new player friendly if you ask me. You have always been able to play this game in just about any way you want regardless of any factor. If you want a newcomer to have a good experience, invite that random guy you ran a dungeon with to your guild.
@@brandonkruse6412 any evidence to it being blown out of proportion or you just kinda think it? I invite you to go onto any WoTLK classic server or ERA server as a fresh character and just read trade chat for a couple mins… you’ll need a wow token to even have enough gold to get into groups.
0:00-0:20 Intro 0:20-1:58 Housekeeping/Future Plans 1:58-3:50 Genesis of the Video 3:50-7:35 General Sentiment of GDKP over time 7:35-12:37 - First Major Negative Experience with GDKP 12:37-16:15 GDKP in Principle (START HERE for Main Discussion) 16:15-20:49 Various Alternative Systems and 'Fairness' in PuGs 20:49-26:18 Advantages of Guaranteed Compensation in GDKP 26:18 -28:15 Lack of Loot Drama/Pseudo Deterministic Gearing in GDKP 28:15-30:08 Greifing in GDKP 30:08-31:58 How GDKP Can Benefit New Players 31:58-34:50 Buyer/Seller Dynamic.How it harms new players 34:50-38:25 GDKP and Gold Buying 38:25-42:10 Would People Buy Gold Without GDKP? 41:38-42:23 GDKP as a Gold Redistribution (Especially for bought gold) 42:23-44:29 Potential Financial Damage From NOT Having GDKP 44:29 How Gold Buying Hurts Normal Players and The Game 49:08-51:05 What could be done about gold buying. Banning Bots 51:05-59:11 What could be done about gold buying. Banning Players 59:11 Why Bother Anyways?
If your format in the description like this : Intro: (00:00) Housekeeping: (00:20) Genesis of video: (01:58) And so on it will make timestamps in the video
Good morning from the raining Britain very interesting video my solution is change it to personal loot and will be no problems simple as that.As much I love healing with my druid I like some different videos like this one. Talking about different content I will give you an idea you can make videos of gold farming I bet is something a lot of people including myself would love 🎉❤😂
That is a very good idea! Gonna have the Paladin video out today, and then the Shaman one, so I'll prob drop a gold one after that. One fo the issues I've been having is that I've been testing some gold stuff on Era, mostly stuff that has to do with higher level zones, but it's actually much more difficult than I had anticipated. Still, I'll try and get something together!
GDKP allows people without the skills to earn challenging rewards without the effort. It completely ruins the sense of achievement for everyone - because you don't know who earned what they have through their own skill or through their wallet/characters gold pouch. It's just a corrosion of the foundation of WoW and the MMORPG genre in general. Imagine if Blizzard just started putting the mythic raid gear onto the trading post for traders tender. That's essentially the same thing.
I join GDKP´s to get the gold from the gold buyers lol but in a "legitimate" way. (I never buy gold) I then use that gold to be able to fight some of them over some gear. (or bid them up so they have to pay more thus netting ME more gold) And almost always, they´re only interested in the "rare" super upgrades. (because goldbuyers are super stacked gear wise) and that makes people like me be able to bid for regular upgrades super cheap. Win win! Doing GDKP´s I always end up with a shit ton more gold then I ever could farm myself, and the same amount of gear if I´d join a MS/OS run. I´d probably get more gear only joining SR runs. But nah f that. When I myself is stacked, from doing GDKP´s, and buying the cheap loot, I then join SR raids and just SR that last piece that´s always super expensive in GDKP´s. Also a sidenote: If gold buying wasn´t a thing in world of warcraft at all, GDKP would be the best raid system.
In all my MMO experience I have never felt the need to engage in a GDKP (or similar) system for endgame content/gearing. Typically if the friction is too great at end game I will quit, but thats very rare. Is it primarily just the raid group sizes that makes it so difficult to put together pugs? Surely SoD Phase 1 shouldn't have this issue with 10man. This is typically why I only engage in small guilds. Too many people and you have to create these complicated impersonal systems in order to divvy out loot. Then again, I've never really played primarily for the loot, but rather the experience.
Yeah honestly, loot IMO has always been tough in classic for guild situations. Loot List is the best idea I've seen for it, but it won't really be possible for SoD.
This alone describes how bad GDKPs are. People ain't doing this to afford x y or z in-game. This kind of behavior is only fueled by the ability to sell the gold for a real life gain.
Maybe I missed it in the video, but you should define what GDKP is in the video, had to look it up to know what your video was about. Solid video though ❤
I really feel like GDKP is fine. It's a perfectly reasonable, innovative player-driven solution to the distribution of loot in pugs and redistribution of gold. The problem lies solely with the complete freedom to purchase gold. It has always been the gold buying. Of course yes, the gdkps did specifically make the inflation from gold buying much worse. But if there wasn't gold buying, gdkp is great imo.
So with your statement gdkp isn't fine. You explained why it is bad. You can't stop gold sellers and gold buyers. Blizzard won't stop it cause they make money from gold sellers. It needs to be up to the community to put a stop to it.
@@neener461 I don't think anything is gonna get stopped lol. GDKP is rampant. Because it's a faster and more direct way to get the loot. No community driven anything is going to put a dent in that. And gold buying is rampant. Because too many bots and no consequences to buyers because the buyers are paying customers. I cannot imagine any amount of community rallying is going to dent any of this.
@kevinscrb You are right because a lot of people are lazy and selfish. They want it easy and are me driven. Why they play a game like WoW were the point is TEAMWORK and it's meant to take time to grow your toon I'll never get
@@neener461 Yeah man. I just kinda try to play casually and hope the server doesn't get so jacked that I can't even play anymore. It's still enjoyable mostly. Never as good as 2005 tho.
Your comment kind of misses the point of the video, which is about if they're bad for the game, and if so how bad. If the conclusion someone reaches is that they are bad. Then it's only logical recourse for those people to try and prevent them from taking place. by requesting that Blizzard apply pressure/muscle. This video doesn't even take a hard stance, it just points out what the relevant questsions to ask are when considering this sort of thing.
@@PowerWordHeal-cu4es you cant ban gdkps it isnt against tos and you cant even argue that. gdkps are actually good for the health of the game if you arent braindead because you can see the content from many skill levels and gold can carry across accounts/raids/characters.
Gdkp is the only thing that makes sense. It fucking sucks when you have to spend 2 hours in a raid and get nothing out of it because you lose your SR roll. With GDKP at least noone just wastes their time.
That's how the numbers work 40 people in a raid and two pieces of loot drops You're not going to get something every raid. Classic vanilla is great because you have to be kind to people and make friends to get in a raid. You can't just pop out your credit card and make the game pay to win like every other game and be a dick to everyone. If reading with friends is a waste of time and building relationships is a waste of time go play retail.
@@johannsteeler6689 Saying he clearly lacks a real life buddy, when you are the one which clearly doesnt know how the power of friendship works just as well to get you further in game as in real life. This guy clearly has more life experience than you do.
If gold buying was not possible I would have zero problem with GDKP's. With gold buying it turns into pay up and you can outbid everyone on all gear, all the time. Completely busts the spirit of grouping together and sharing in the win
I would just personally not run GDKPs and only join guilds that strictly do not run them.
There are plenty of guilds out there.
I agree wholeheartedly .
@@brandonkruse6412that’s not the problem . I play with normal guilds but because of GDKP and gold buying the prices of literally everything skyrockets to absurd amounts . If you wanna run old content good fucking luck finding a regular pug or SR group .
I join GDKP´s to get the gold from the gold buyers lol but in a "legitimate" way. (I never buy gold)
I then use that gold to be able to fight some of them over some gear. (or bid them up so they have to pay more thus netting ME more gold)
And almost always, they´re only interested in the "rare" super upgrades. (because goldbuyers are super stacked gear wise)
and that makes people like me be able to bid for regular upgrades super cheap.
Win win!
Doing GDKP´s I always end up with a shit ton more gold then I ever could farm myself, and the same amount of gear if I´d join a MS/OS run.
I´d probably get more gear only joining SR runs. But nah f that.
When I myself is stacked, from doing GDKP´s, and buying the cheap loot, I then join SR raids and just SR that last piece that´s always super expensive in GDKP´s.
This is why I play turtle wow. It's not official but its classic + with custom stuff and gdkp is banned. Gold buyers are wiped of gold when caught and banned if they do it again.
In ERA I cant get into a BWL clear without it being a GDKP or a locked guild clear where all loot/mats go to the guild and you're just there to either complete quests and collect repair costs.
In SoD there are GDKP SFK/BFD and the guild runs are the same, all gear/mats go to the guild, you're just there as cannon fodder.
You can't play any version of WoW for fun anymore. Even private servers have the same issue.
I'm quitting SoD and unsubbing the moment I see GDKP in SoD. I'm here to play a video game, not provide a paycheck to people with no skills.
GDKPs have clearly ruined all classic, creating a terrible barrier for newcomer's as well as eroding the classic values and immersion and most dangerously allows you to bypass the game's core gameplay loop via RMT as blizzard does not ban gold selling or bots to any significant margin. It must be banned or the game will decay to trash again.
I think this is a bit blown out of proportion and sensationalized. GDKP hasn’t ruined the game.
I will agree that bots are annoying but they do have their benefits. Just like in OSRS, the existence of bots allows for cheap prices on trade goods, pots and professions materials. That seems pretty new player friendly if you ask me.
You have always been able to play this game in just about any way you want regardless of any factor. If you want a newcomer to have a good experience, invite that random guy you ran a dungeon with to your guild.
@@brandonkruse6412 any evidence to it being blown out of proportion or you just kinda think it? I invite you to go onto any WoTLK classic server or ERA server as a fresh character and just read trade chat for a couple mins… you’ll need a wow token to even have enough gold to get into groups.
0:00-0:20 Intro
0:20-1:58 Housekeeping/Future Plans
1:58-3:50 Genesis of the Video
3:50-7:35 General Sentiment of GDKP over time
7:35-12:37 - First Major Negative Experience with GDKP
12:37-16:15 GDKP in Principle (START HERE for Main Discussion)
16:15-20:49 Various Alternative Systems and 'Fairness' in PuGs
20:49-26:18 Advantages of Guaranteed Compensation in GDKP
26:18 -28:15 Lack of Loot Drama/Pseudo Deterministic Gearing in GDKP
28:15-30:08 Greifing in GDKP
30:08-31:58 How GDKP Can Benefit New Players
31:58-34:50 Buyer/Seller Dynamic.How it harms new players
34:50-38:25 GDKP and Gold Buying
38:25-42:10 Would People Buy Gold Without GDKP?
41:38-42:23 GDKP as a Gold Redistribution (Especially for bought gold)
42:23-44:29 Potential Financial Damage From NOT Having GDKP
44:29 How Gold Buying Hurts Normal Players and The Game
49:08-51:05 What could be done about gold buying. Banning Bots
51:05-59:11 What could be done about gold buying. Banning Players
59:11 Why Bother Anyways?
GDKPs are alive and well in era. Mat prices are still hell. 15g for a mana pot please
I hate gdkp so much
If your format in the description like this :
Intro: (00:00)
Housekeeping: (00:20)
Genesis of video: (01:58)
And so on it will make timestamps in the video
Oh good call, I should have it in both places. Thank you!
Good morning from the raining Britain very interesting video my solution is change it to personal loot and will be no problems simple as that.As much I love healing with my druid I like some different videos like this one.
Talking about different content I will give you an idea you can make videos of gold farming I bet is something a lot of people including myself would love 🎉❤😂
That is a very good idea! Gonna have the Paladin video out today, and then the Shaman one, so I'll prob drop a gold one after that.
One fo the issues I've been having is that I've been testing some gold stuff on Era, mostly stuff that has to do with higher level zones, but it's actually much more difficult than I had anticipated. Still, I'll try and get something together!
@PowerWordHeal-cu4es I will really appreciate it have a nice day.
GDKP allows people without the skills to earn challenging rewards without the effort. It completely ruins the sense of achievement for everyone - because you don't know who earned what they have through their own skill or through their wallet/characters gold pouch.
It's just a corrosion of the foundation of WoW and the MMORPG genre in general. Imagine if Blizzard just started putting the mythic raid gear onto the trading post for traders tender. That's essentially the same thing.
I join GDKP´s to get the gold from the gold buyers lol but in a "legitimate" way. (I never buy gold)
I then use that gold to be able to fight some of them over some gear. (or bid them up so they have to pay more thus netting ME more gold)
And almost always, they´re only interested in the "rare" super upgrades. (because goldbuyers are super stacked gear wise)
and that makes people like me be able to bid for regular upgrades super cheap.
Win win!
Doing GDKP´s I always end up with a shit ton more gold then I ever could farm myself, and the same amount of gear if I´d join a MS/OS run.
I´d probably get more gear only joining SR runs. But nah f that.
When I myself is stacked, from doing GDKP´s, and buying the cheap loot, I then join SR raids and just SR that last piece that´s always super expensive in GDKP´s.
Also a sidenote: If gold buying wasn´t a thing in world of warcraft at all, GDKP would be the best raid system.
In all my MMO experience I have never felt the need to engage in a GDKP (or similar) system for endgame content/gearing. Typically if the friction is too great at end game I will quit, but thats very rare. Is it primarily just the raid group sizes that makes it so difficult to put together pugs? Surely SoD Phase 1 shouldn't have this issue with 10man.
This is typically why I only engage in small guilds. Too many people and you have to create these complicated impersonal systems in order to divvy out loot. Then again, I've never really played primarily for the loot, but rather the experience.
Yeah honestly, loot IMO has always been tough in classic for guild situations. Loot List is the best idea I've seen for it, but it won't really be possible for SoD.
yeah even my guild was using just master loot
GDKP is the only fair and even loot system, show me another system where a hunter can get thunderfury and everyone in the raid is happy about it
if you ban official gdkps certain guilds will just do them underground and through discords
This alone describes how bad GDKPs are. People ain't doing this to afford x y or z in-game. This kind of behavior is only fueled by the ability to sell the gold for a real life gain.
Maybe I missed it in the video, but you should define what GDKP is in the video, had to look it up to know what your video was about. Solid video though ❤
If you’ve played any classic at all you will know gdkp, the game is infested with them
@@CullenTheDuck I get that by the tone of the video, however as a new player I haven’t encountered it. 🤷♂️
I really feel like GDKP is fine. It's a perfectly reasonable, innovative player-driven solution to the distribution of loot in pugs and redistribution of gold. The problem lies solely with the complete freedom to purchase gold. It has always been the gold buying. Of course yes, the gdkps did specifically make the inflation from gold buying much worse. But if there wasn't gold buying, gdkp is great imo.
So with your statement gdkp isn't fine. You explained why it is bad. You can't stop gold sellers and gold buyers. Blizzard won't stop it cause they make money from gold sellers. It needs to be up to the community to put a stop to it.
@@neener461 I don't think anything is gonna get stopped lol. GDKP is rampant. Because it's a faster and more direct way to get the loot. No community driven anything is going to put a dent in that. And gold buying is rampant. Because too many bots and no consequences to buyers because the buyers are paying customers. I cannot imagine any amount of community rallying is going to dent any of this.
@kevinscrb You are right because a lot of people are lazy and selfish. They want it easy and are me driven. Why they play a game like WoW were the point is TEAMWORK and it's meant to take time to grow your toon I'll never get
@@neener461 Yeah man. I just kinda try to play casually and hope the server doesn't get so jacked that I can't even play anymore. It's still enjoyable mostly. Never as good as 2005 tho.
You don’t have to go to gdkps but don’t cry and tell other people that they can’t do them.
Your comment kind of misses the point of the video, which is about if they're bad for the game, and if so how bad.
If the conclusion someone reaches is that they are bad. Then it's only logical recourse for those people to try and prevent them from taking place. by requesting that Blizzard apply pressure/muscle.
This video doesn't even take a hard stance, it just points out what the relevant questsions to ask are when considering this sort of thing.
@@PowerWordHeal-cu4es you cant ban gdkps it isnt against tos and you cant even argue that. gdkps are actually good for the health of the game if you arent braindead because you can see the content from many skill levels and gold can carry across accounts/raids/characters.
@@Neinshearts Actually Blizzard can do whatever they want. Their game, their rules. :)
Gdkp is the only thing that makes sense. It fucking sucks when you have to spend 2 hours in a raid and get nothing out of it because you lose your SR roll. With GDKP at least noone just wastes their time.
That's how the numbers work 40 people in a raid and two pieces of loot drops You're not going to get something every raid. Classic vanilla is great because you have to be kind to people and make friends to get in a raid. You can't just pop out your credit card and make the game pay to win like every other game and be a dick to everyone. If reading with friends is a waste of time and building relationships is a waste of time go play retail.
@@JDevlin90 you clearly are lacking real life buddy
All true and real😂 if they don’t like GDKP then play retail.
@@johannsteeler6689 Saying he clearly lacks a real life buddy, when you are the one which clearly doesnt know how the power of friendship works just as well to get you further in game as in real life. This guy clearly has more life experience than you do.
@@Kevinvettu bro your name is Kevin, sit down.