Star Trek Voyager - Battle with Borg Sphere "Child's Play"

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  • @michaels5217
    @michaels5217 9 місяців тому +70

    "Go to warp on my mark." "How about the second we're free of the tractor beam Imma punch it? Cool? Cool."

    • @pauldriscoll6319
      @pauldriscoll6319 Місяць тому +6

      Tom's Thoughts, "The moment that thing goes boom Im getting us the fek out of here, Mark or not !"

  • @aldoraine9949
    @aldoraine9949 4 роки тому +1089

    Spock: the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
    Janeway: hold my coffee

    • @BlueZeroZeroOne
      @BlueZeroZeroOne 4 роки тому +43

      I mean... Kirk said to Spock in the next movie that sometimes “Because the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.”

    • @lyannawinter405
      @lyannawinter405 4 роки тому +4

      "And hold it steady!" :D

    • @sofiasrapio7994
      @sofiasrapio7994 4 роки тому +16

      There's coffee in that nebula

    • @demarcusfaulkner7411
      @demarcusfaulkner7411 4 роки тому +1

      The needs of the few or the one

    • @luthermcgee432
      @luthermcgee432 4 роки тому +1

      @@BlueZeroZeroOne , I forgot that one, you're right.

  • @mekrabj2901
    @mekrabj2901 3 роки тому +447

    The acting and CGI still holds up after all these years. I loved this show.

    • @IRMentat
      @IRMentat 3 роки тому +10

      It had its moments.
      It also had a number of issues with most of the notable event arcs “never happened ”.

    • @uberdude2555
      @uberdude2555 2 роки тому +10

      It's incredible and considering this is the very infancy of CGI, and this scene would look even better if the original reel is ever properly remastered into HD.

    • @Celisar1
      @Celisar1 2 роки тому +8

      As if good acting had a date of expiry…

    • @sethrauldatta7456
      @sethrauldatta7456 2 роки тому +17

      Star Trek: Picard ruined Seven of Nine's character as well as the borg being somewhat scary bad guys.... the borg just want a hug now...

    • @checkoutmyyoutubepage
      @checkoutmyyoutubepage 2 роки тому +4

      @@sethrauldatta7456 ugh. I don’t even want to think that exists.

  • @LukewMorgan
    @LukewMorgan 7 років тому +450

    That warp jump was probably one of the most epic CGI moments of the series...

  • @jbraunschweiger
    @jbraunschweiger 4 роки тому +807

    You can never know when Janeway will remember the “prime suggestion”

    • @Lee-zw5km
      @Lee-zw5km 3 роки тому +71

      Out in the Delta Quadrant you make up the rules lol

    • @mostlymessingabout
      @mostlymessingabout 3 роки тому +61

      A bit like Archer... "one day we will have some sort of directives... until then I do whatever the f I like 😝"

    • @KAIJUKING123
      @KAIJUKING123 3 роки тому +9

      That or remember to renew her Twitch PRIME!!!!!!! Hahahahaha

    • @dhinton1
      @dhinton1 3 роки тому +28

      truth be told ........ most of the captains in the ST television series (post TOS) were willing to break the prime directive. not just Kathryn.

    • @jbraunschweiger
      @jbraunschweiger 3 роки тому +14

      @@dhinton1 yeah and yet Janeway broke the prime directive multiple times, she was just very vocal about following it when it helped the plot along.

  • @PageofLegend
    @PageofLegend 9 років тому +516

    This is so great, because it is what Star Trek is at heart: a morality play. It asks the hard questions, and it is the only piece of sci fi I like that casts the human race in a positive light in the future!

    • @PageofLegend
      @PageofLegend 9 років тому

      equenoxe86 I certainly hope so.

    • @TheH3dgie
      @TheH3dgie 8 років тому +5

      +equenoxe86
      Looking at the trailer...nope. It seems they've changed the vision behind Star Trek for good now.

    • @TheH3dgie
      @TheH3dgie 8 років тому +1

      equenoxe86
      yeah I know mate, I saw the post date :)
      The first, i dunno, 15 seconds seemed to imply that they were alone and stranded. I thought we may get some character development, the rest of the trailer completely shot that down.

    • @ryleighstewart6188
      @ryleighstewart6188 8 років тому +8

      +PageofLegend That is the very reason so many debates around the treatment of the Prime Directive take place. Star Trek is a relatively believable imagining of the future for our species, and as such it's necessary, and very interesting, to consider how our species' idea of morality will guide our actions in such a future, and how we might interact with different species with very different ideas of morality.

    • @TheTheratfarmer
      @TheTheratfarmer 8 років тому

      +PageofLegend always be ready. lol for what? expand your mind.

  • @Chase1493
    @Chase1493 9 років тому +237

    That really is the best warp scene I've seen from any of the TV shows. Ashame they didn't have more of that blur motion, really adds to the idea of how "fast" warp is.

    • @lereff1382
      @lereff1382 7 років тому +19

      I think the unusual angle sells it as well.

    • @magburner
      @magburner 6 років тому +5

      I preferred this one: (ua-cam.com/video/bFBBins1txU/v-deo.html)

    • @reunion_k9375
      @reunion_k9375 6 років тому

      that was nice too.

    • @Bitchslapper316
      @Bitchslapper316 5 років тому +15

      Voyager always had good warp animations. I like how they move position and the sound effects for the warp engines was cool to.

    • @setsuna200
      @setsuna200 10 місяців тому

      Good news from 8 years into the future, they brought it back.

  • @MultiTesseract
    @MultiTesseract 9 років тому +1158

    The Prime Directive gets screwed more than Poland.

    • @ufodeath
      @ufodeath 9 років тому +12

      MultiTesseract Thats whats awesome though. The Picard has made many moments or endings boring with his 'philosophy' or non-interference.

    • @stanimirgeorgiev8596
      @stanimirgeorgiev8596 9 років тому +27

      +Sokami Mashibe Picards philosophy is not boring. Its quite important to the story and to the overall message of the show.

    • @ufodeath
      @ufodeath 9 років тому +6

      Stanimir Georgiev Its very interesting in its own right, but its also deterred from what could have been amazing endings in certain episodes.

    • @stanimirgeorgiev8596
      @stanimirgeorgiev8596 9 років тому +2

      Sokami Mashibe Could you please give an example?

    • @ufodeath
      @ufodeath 9 років тому +4

      Stanimir Georgiev The episode Symbiosis about how one planet effectively enslaved another based on a lie.

  • @superhayes256
    @superhayes256 Рік тому +20

    This scene is probably one of the best action sequences in Star Trek. The pacing is great. The timing lines up with exterior shots. The direction here was above average. And the music is so good underneath it all and bombastic when it makes sense. And the clever tactic to flee from the borg without using conventional battle matching was so nice to watch. Love love love it.

    • @sarahberkner
      @sarahberkner 4 місяці тому

      Even the part when Janeway starts to say maximum warp and there's a jolt and she looks like she was in a car that braked suddenly or something, it was very believable.

  • @juresaiyan
    @juresaiyan 6 років тому +305

    It's hard to believe this was a TV episode made in 2000. The effects are mindblowing.

    • @tuxedocattoo
      @tuxedocattoo 3 роки тому +4

      I remember once that the ship suddenly jumped to warp and I thought I was a random phenomenon being created, because it looked so cool.

    • @JeroAstra
      @JeroAstra 3 роки тому +14

      The effects are done by Industrial Light and Magic, the same studio responsible for Star Wars.

    • @DavidLS1
      @DavidLS1 3 роки тому +33

      You make it sound like the year 2000 was the Dark Ages.

    • @maregondrako
      @maregondrako 3 роки тому

      Wait this was 2000? I wouldve thought it was late 80's/early 90's. Toy story was already out at this point. I guess high production cost tv shows are a recent thing

    • @levondarratt787
      @levondarratt787 3 роки тому +5

      Watching this in 2021...I'm like woa ..wtf .. and what CGI exists to craft 7 of 9...she is stunning .. oh wait...that is just being blessed. .

  • @OhManTFE
    @OhManTFE 4 роки тому +561

    All that and he dies to some harvester in the Alpha Quadrant... RIP Icheb!!

    • @spookhouse5109
      @spookhouse5109 4 роки тому +40

      Hopefully Q juniour will resurrect him.

    • @meris8486
      @meris8486 4 роки тому +82

      That was some bullshit, the writers only did that cause they hate the actor

    • @x.x_sophie_x.x6242
      @x.x_sophie_x.x6242 4 роки тому +3

      Wait which episode does he die in?

    • @meris8486
      @meris8486 4 роки тому +2

      @@x.x_sophie_x.x6242
      6

    • @meris8486
      @meris8486 4 роки тому +42

      @@x.x_sophie_x.x6242
      No he dies in Star Trek Picard Season 1, hopefully the only season

  • @ALBAM96A
    @ALBAM96A 8 років тому +182

    The back and forth between Ichebs parents and janeway and seven is a great conversation

    • @lereff1382
      @lereff1382 7 років тому +4

      I thought it was just a tiny bit.... awkward.

    • @andyt2k
      @andyt2k 12 днів тому

      It's the kind of subjective morality that Picard would LOVE

  • @morzee94
    @morzee94 9 років тому +631

    For an old TV show that was a really nice piece of CGI

    • @SaabFAN86
      @SaabFAN86 9 років тому +12

      +LukeRM But a massive violation of the Prime Directive!^^

    • @Jade2016
      @Jade2016 9 років тому +17

      +GeorgeGordonNCA Actually the Prime Directive wasn't violated. You can bypass the Prime Directive if there was a friend in need. Since Icheb was sort of a friend, the captain did nothing wrong.

    • @kellyrayburn4093
      @kellyrayburn4093 9 років тому +12

      +Jade2016 Incorrect. You can violate the Prime Directive in service of the Omega Protocol or to save the Federation. For a friend, no. That's not a viable reason.

    • @michaeljordan9879
      @michaeljordan9879 9 років тому +14

      +Jade2016 You can violate the Prime Directive -- for your pals? Do you even know how ethically flimsy that sounds?

    • @Marchant2
      @Marchant2 9 років тому +18

      +GeorgeGordonNCA Is it a violation? They brought the boy to his home world for Icheb's benefit. Then they were lied to. If they had know Icheb would be used as Borg bait, they wouldn't have delivered him. So is being lied to and tricked and then remedying that really breaking the Prime Directive?

  • @Greg29
    @Greg29 8 років тому +79

    Loved Voyager, so many great episodes.

    • @-M0LE
      @-M0LE 7 років тому

      Nodak81 wrong

    • @amc6508
      @amc6508 7 років тому +3

      Me too...my favorite show!!!! This discovery new show is crap.. have you watch it? Phaser firing sound like farts and you can't really see who fires at who...cheap crap

    • @amc6508
      @amc6508 7 років тому

      really? so did you watch it?

    • @tomp8094
      @tomp8094 3 місяці тому

      I think Voyager was the best of the classic Star Trek series.

  • @lazersly
    @lazersly 2 роки тому +23

    I always loved how you can see Voyager's nacelles fold up as it goes to warp way off in the distance.

  • @elfdream2007
    @elfdream2007 9 років тому +152

    Mark Shepherd? Why am I not surprised. That guy shows up in almost every Sci fi show at least once.
    And this series has aged pretty well.

    • @ronaldcustard4636
      @ronaldcustard4636 4 роки тому +2

      swinss His Dad was Data’s Grandpa in the Schizoid Man

    • @TaxiHack39
      @TaxiHack39 4 роки тому +1

      @@ronaldcustard4636 And Ran Rura Penthe In STTUC

    • @NickMichalak
      @NickMichalak 4 роки тому +3

      He was also in an episode of The X-Files. He gets around A LOT!

    • @Whisper555
      @Whisper555 3 роки тому +4

      @@NickMichalak And Doctor Who, BSG, Dollhouse, Firefly & Warehouse 13. Maybe decent character actor who is available to play parts shot in Canada? I'm not going to try that hard to find out.

    • @sunnykaykay
      @sunnykaykay 3 роки тому +4

      @@Whisper555 Don't forget Supernatural!

  • @Xylarxcode
    @Xylarxcode 5 років тому +96

    Damn, that jump to warpspeed held up REALLY well over time. Still looks great.

    • @OJesusX3
      @OJesusX3 Рік тому +1

      Thanks Xylar! 😊🌎💖

  • @lifesgreat9951
    @lifesgreat9951 7 років тому +53

    This, and many scenes like it is why Voyager was very cool. Janeway was never afraid of violence or the threat of death. Courage under fire IS grace.

    • @Rhythmicons
      @Rhythmicons 3 роки тому +1

      She was reckless though.

    • @sheldonscott4037
      @sheldonscott4037 3 роки тому +1

      Then again she was adept at hand to hand combat; there's that.

    • @Rhythmicons
      @Rhythmicons 3 роки тому

      @@sheldonscott4037 So many times though she was held by someone else and didn't even resist.

    • @IronSpyder-ky2lk
      @IronSpyder-ky2lk 3 роки тому

      Don’t forget the time she actually threatened death (or some alien personification of it)

    • @markmullins8622
      @markmullins8622 3 місяці тому

      Insaneaway strikes😂

  • @mazhar3447
    @mazhar3447 5 років тому +253

    “Those who attempt to protect everything, protect nothing” - Frederick the Great King of Prussia

    • @davidkelly4210
      @davidkelly4210 5 років тому +5

      King IN Prussia. There was no king OF Prussia.

    • @glennwills7646
      @glennwills7646 5 років тому +23

      @@davidkelly4210 Yes there is. King of Prussia is a very large mall located in Pennsylvania.

    • @mariusraab9076
      @mariusraab9076 5 років тому +7

      @@davidkelly4210 until 1772. Since then, King OF Prussia.
      Cr0wnd

    • @Gredddfe
      @Gredddfe 4 роки тому +11

      How's Prussia doing these days?

    • @mariusraab9076
      @mariusraab9076 4 роки тому +1

      @@Gredddfe They learnt their lesson. Today they only protect the Rich.

  • @WizzRacing
    @WizzRacing 8 років тому +349

    And yet Janeway returns from the future to infect the queen using the same knowledge she gained from them. To get Voyager home. I call that a fare trade.

    • @GlitchedAI
      @GlitchedAI 8 років тому +114

      She willingly gave herself for that plan though, she didn't weaponize someone else who wasn't willing.

    • @eXcommunicate1979
      @eXcommunicate1979 7 років тому +30

      By her actions, she essentially erased whole families from the timeline to save a dozen of her crewmembers and her conscience.

    • @GlitchedAI
      @GlitchedAI 7 років тому +32

      eXcommunicate1979​​ to be fair plenty of captains have done the same thing and if it was much of a problem the time police would have stepped in, Picard has done it, Sisko has done it, hel
      l about the only captain not to do it was Archer hilariously enough.

    • @eXcommunicate1979
      @eXcommunicate1979 7 років тому +4

      Sure, but I was responding to the notion that she was somehow selfless or something in her actions.

    • @Scyllax
      @Scyllax 6 років тому +7

      "Fair Trade"

  • @technopirate304
    @technopirate304 Рік тому +41

    The Voyager crew was family. Once someone becomes part of that family they will ride into the jaws of death for them.
    They didn’t leave anyone behind. Loyal to the end.

    • @LordSiravant
      @LordSiravant 9 місяців тому

      Even if it meant violating the Prime Directive or spitting in the face of Spock's iconic "needs of the many" line.
      Even so, their methods stuck with Janeway, to the point her future self pulled off the same trick a hell of a lot more successfully.

  • @jamsea389
    @jamsea389 8 років тому +2458

    Janeway may not have done the "right" or "moral" thing here; and that annoys a lot of you. Here we are nearly 20 years after this episode was made discussing the right and wrong of the issues presented to us. In this 4 minute clip, this is Star Trek - makes you think, makes you talk and makes you disagree with one another.

    • @hamsterminator
      @hamsterminator 8 років тому +221

      It was a great show- very underrated. Also Captains making tough decisions is far more interesting than always making obvious decisions. Janeway herself has plenty of flaws.

    • @donwon7592
      @donwon7592 8 років тому +105

      She obviously didn't follow the prime directive

    • @thesilverrook3502
      @thesilverrook3502 8 років тому +102

      Still.... as entertaining and thought-provoking as it was... I'm literally blown away that we (a Starfleet crew) just handed an entire civilization, to the Borg.
      I can't see Picard or Sisko doing the same, in such a situation.
      Makes more sense to me, to help or reinforce the populations ability to defend itself. Create a society where individuals would be willing to sacrifice on behalf of the population, and literally buy civilization enough time to defend itself. Voyager could have helped by sharing technology with them. Technology that they could in-turn perfect over time, and one-day create a truly sustainable defense... so that sacrifices would no longer be necessary.

    • @mdcraig62
      @mdcraig62 8 років тому +94

      +x Jokerz The Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy ... and a very correct one. History has proven again and again that whenever mankind interferes with a less developed civilization, no matter how well intentioned that interference may be, the results are invariably disastrous.
      JLP

    • @Jadefox32
      @Jadefox32 8 років тому +35

      less of mankind and more of you don't hand a gun to a caveman and expect him to hunt more efficiently than before.

  • @ingaman
    @ingaman 8 років тому +394

    I guess resistance isn't futile after all.

    • @dapranak
      @dapranak 6 років тому +2

      you are among those who apply the law without understanding the spirit of the law.
      Janeway defends individuality and the person who is reduced to be an object, to reach the point of being used to achieve an end. so the bad spirit of "any means are good"
      Janeway teaches them that their way is not the right one. thereby she interrupting their act.
      an act that is unhealthy in itself especially when there is another method more respectful of their life and that of their child.
      this civilization, in its methods, did not imagine that one of their child could be rescued, as we see in this show, and that the child would be brought back to them.
      the fact that he uses this child out of pure opportunism proves their dishonesty.
      they saw well that the crew of the voyager, were good people, who brought back to them their child, for care and kindness. no to be used & sacrify. they should not have used their own child, but take advantage of this chance to keep up with them. they are bad parents.
      what is the point of saving a civilization if people have bad behavior towards their own child?
      the crew of the voyager, took care of these children. the crew took their time and made efforts to bring them back to their families. one of these children is then sacrificed. how could parents imagine that their cold intention was going to be allowed ?
      by strangers who were already involved in the case, because the responsibility they have about these children !!
      the prime directive can not be applied blindly. it's a code of conduct but not a dictatorship.

    • @JAnx01
      @JAnx01 6 років тому +3

      @
      This isn't anywhere near as bad as "Flesh and Blood" where she destroys the defenses of Hirogen vessels, effectively sentencing their crews to death by holograms, that originated from Voyager. She effectively butchered a bunch of sentient beings because "MUH MALFUNCTIONING HOLOGRAMS HAVE FEELS TOO....and they're more important than real lives".

    • @sharpnova2
      @sharpnova2 6 років тому +5

      @ yep and she basically did the same in the pilot which is literally why they were flung so far across the galaxy in the first place. quite inconvenient when federation warp technology was such a joke at the time.
      most people don't know that most of tng takes place in a smallass little area in the galaxy. something like 100-200 l.y. x 100-200 l.y. this region contains klingon/romulan/cardassian/ferangi/etc. empires and tons of uncharted space.
      even warp 9 is slow af
      even warp 9.9 would take almost two days to get you from sol to the nearest star system.

    • @JFrazer4303
      @JFrazer4303 5 років тому +1

      @@JAnx01
      and she was right to help the holograms and twist the knife in the Hirogen, after trying to help them and everybody else by giving them the holodeck tech.

    • @JAnx01
      @JAnx01 5 років тому +1

      @@JFrazer4303
      Now she wasn't. Those holograms were designed for target practice. They were devious, lethal and in the end, they ended up shut down anyway. Janeway should be trialed for butchering dozens of Hirogen for no reason.

  • @Ragitsu
    @Ragitsu 4 роки тому +78

    "The needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few. "
    I really effing wish people would stop misinterpreting that line. Spock chose to sacrifice *himself* ; Spock did NOT force someone else to sacrifice themselves.

    • @bra-balllegend3940
      @bra-balllegend3940 3 роки тому +3

      "...or the one."

    • @Ragitsu
      @Ragitsu 3 роки тому +2

      @@bra-balllegend3940 Thank you.

    • @Damaged7
      @Damaged7 3 роки тому +3

      It stands apart from the context in which Spock was using it, thats why people still use it. You don't seem to understand that.

    • @Ragitsu
      @Ragitsu 3 роки тому +4

      @@Damaged7 It is abused.

    • @GenGamesUniverse
      @GenGamesUniverse 3 роки тому +3

      Yep, Spock sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise against Khan. He was brought back because simply put "The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many" as Kirk put it.

  • @AtlasFox
    @AtlasFox 8 років тому +171

    I loved the view of voyager going to warp from the front

    • @MultiChillMusic
      @MultiChillMusic 6 років тому +3

      That's what she said....

    • @Palafico3
      @Palafico3 5 років тому +1

      @@MultiChillMusic Impressive. Most impressive.

    • @rcald-gz5jd
      @rcald-gz5jd 5 років тому +1

      Thanks for pointing this out. I knew to pay attention to this fact.

    • @Chris87md
      @Chris87md 5 років тому +1

      Awesome

    • @Corkedwolf43771
      @Corkedwolf43771 3 роки тому +4

      Play star trek armada pc games does it justice especially when you can zoom in and out before during and after entering warp factor speed

  • @literate-aside
    @literate-aside 4 роки тому +92

    Voyager was one of my favourite series, but what made it less than TNG for me was the fear they removed from the Borg.
    The Borg was the perfect nemesis; utterly terrifying, indestructible, emotionless and bell bent on total domination. Just to escape them took every ounce of intelligence, determination and technology at the crews' disposal.
    Then Voyager started destroying them almost at will. The Borg from TNG were horrifying.

    • @th3teacher705
      @th3teacher705 3 роки тому +26

      Borg could never adapt to plot armor.

    • @Rhythmicons
      @Rhythmicons 3 роки тому +2

      Well, that and Tom Paris, and the fact that Janeway's will bent the laws of physics. Harry Kim and the Doctor were the only redeeming characters aboard Voyager.

    • @snailsth102
      @snailsth102 3 роки тому +1

      @@th3teacher705 💯💯

    • @yevgenydodzin9849
      @yevgenydodzin9849 2 роки тому +15

      I actually think the thing that made voyager so hard to defeat (and also why the borg queen was so intrigued by Janeway) was that Captain Janeway sometimes has the demeanor of a borg queen. Cold, calculating, ruthless, and opportunistic

    • @literate-aside
      @literate-aside 2 роки тому +6

      @@yevgenydodzin9849 Right, because Sisko wasn't all that and more.
      What made Voyager unique was plot armour thicker than the writers' lob on for 7of9 🤣

  • @echoalpha8015
    @echoalpha8015 9 років тому +117

    Resistance is futile.............perhaps not.

  • @adammclaughlin845
    @adammclaughlin845 8 років тому +259

    That was a hell of a jump to warp.

    • @danwat1234
      @danwat1234 6 років тому +14

      I guess Tom told the ship to jump to warp without the nacelles shifting position first like they usually do.

    • @aperson22222
      @aperson22222 6 років тому +1

      I know, more like something out of the Abrams films or DSC.

    • @FrankWolenczak
      @FrankWolenczak 6 років тому +15

      No, the Nacelles went up, you couldn't see it because of the angle the ship was on.

    • @danwat1234
      @danwat1234 6 років тому +4

      Joe Gibson then how do u know? You'd think Tom Paris would have done that before activating warp to save time. I'll look again at the vid

    • @i.cabrera7971
      @i.cabrera7971 6 років тому +8

      danwat1234 thr nacelle angles were to protect the fabric of space. Remember that episode in next generation where warp drive was damaging space . So the amgled nacelles was the first solution. Then later on they supposedly figured out to fix the damage of warp drive. Blah blah lol

  • @jamest2401
    @jamest2401 4 роки тому +22

    This was one of the most AWESOME & HAIR-RAISING moments of the entire series! And there were many. I also absolutely love the intense theme music used in it’s scoring!

  • @lendial
    @lendial 7 років тому +40

    one of the coolest escape warp sequences.

  • @Jeng4280
    @Jeng4280 7 років тому +33

    I don't have a problem with her decision either. Janeway did what she could for her crew at the time and did the best she could in the DQ. What I wished they could have done to maybe improve the show was maybe have Voyager trade with allies weekly for supplies or something like that? But this show was fantastic and a great Star Trek show and, in my book, my favorite series besides TOS. And to hear that people are STILL arguing over 20 years later about the rights and wrongs of Voyager-speaks volumes in my book!

    • @Bitchslapper316
      @Bitchslapper316 5 років тому +1

      I had my issues with the way some of the characters were written but overall I really enjoyed the show.

  • @Jeng4280
    @Jeng4280 5 років тому +30

    This show was brilliant for its time. And it was the first show that had CGI effects which I thought was pretty cool. I loved how headstrong Janeway was. This conversation was very interesting I thought. And you’ve gotta love Tom Paris’ driving skills for that fast warp in the end!!!

    • @Celisar1
      @Celisar1 2 роки тому +4

      For its time?!?
      It still is!

    • @kbrich-nn8od
      @kbrich-nn8od 2 роки тому +3

      If anything I have to admire Seven's inguenity in such a life and death situation'/!!!

    • @thatgayqueen2826
      @thatgayqueen2826 Рік тому

      Driving skills? He pushed a button. No asteroids, ships, or anything else to dodge.

  • @transilvlad
    @transilvlad 2 роки тому +15

    Message of this episode: family can be worse than enemies

    • @The_Greedy_Orphan
      @The_Greedy_Orphan 10 місяців тому

      Maybe because Ichebs parents were brother and sister.

  • @lordbyron3603
    @lordbyron3603 8 років тому +29

    Voyager! Loved this series!

  • @jubed
    @jubed 4 роки тому +62

    I'm so pissed off with Icheb's fate. He did not deserve this.

    • @spawner2865
      @spawner2865 4 роки тому +10

      You mean the way he was killed in the new series?

    • @jubed
      @jubed 4 роки тому +3

      @@spawner2865 yes

    • @spawner2865
      @spawner2865 4 роки тому +1

      @@jubed Yeah I understand.

    • @vegetta00
      @vegetta00 3 роки тому +14

      Picard is not Canon. It's officially set in the trademark Prime universe created by Bad Robot.

    • @girlgarde
      @girlgarde 3 роки тому +5

      @@vegetta00 Works for me, Star Trek Online in my opinion is the real Prime Universe. Sure, Romulus still get destroyed but it still feels like Star Trek to me.

  • @jessejagg3d
    @jessejagg3d Рік тому +13

    I've always liked this scene. Good CGI for the time and I appreciated Janeway's empathy for Icheb's parents even though she refused to go along with their plan

    • @lionsjourney29
      @lionsjourney29 Рік тому

      You are supposed to feel sorry or bad for them. But honestly if their virus is strong enough to knock out a Borg vessel. Then why not use all their transports and infect their adults to have them be assimilated, send them on multiple vectors away from their planet but NEAR the conduit, and in intervals and get assimilated. I will admit their strategy if it can be called that is to use the maturation chambers to infect more ships.. but honestly it feels unlikely that one vessel can start a pandemic given how quick the borg are in sterilizing threats or compromised cubes. Honestly taking out several cubes in a coordinated volley and then hunkering down when more cubes come to see what’s going on. Wait a year or two to not have that conduit be flagged and not used and try again feels like a better strategy to put a dent in the borg.
      Anyway, you are supposed to feel bad for them but Janeway went with Children are not implements of war full stop I feel bad for you but we brought you back the kid which we see as family and you yeet him back to Borg space to be painfully assimilated and his identity buried by the weight of the collective. Yea I feel sorry but the kid is family.

  • @MrJoeyWheeler
    @MrJoeyWheeler 3 роки тому +117

    Janeway: Prevents sacrificing a humanoid life to deliver a deadly pathogen to the Borg.
    Also Janeway: Sacrifices own life to deliver a deadly pathogen to the Borg.

    • @Thecommander248
      @Thecommander248 2 роки тому +52

      She never asks of others what she can do herself.

    • @craigmcfly
      @craigmcfly 2 роки тому +61

      That was her decision, though. Icheb was being used.

    • @chaff5
      @chaff5 2 роки тому +39

      It's heroic to sacrifice yourself for the greater good. It's villainous to sacrifice others to save yourself.

    • @2adamast
      @2adamast Рік тому +4

      Sacrifices the whole crew for the attempt to prevent the sacrifice (get him on board first, has not even a freaking idea how him and hers get away of the Borg)

    • @ReaverLordTonus
      @ReaverLordTonus Рік тому +6

      What's ironic is that the pathogen future Janeway used was from icheb. He had one scene in the finale at the beginning and we never saw him after that yet he provided the means. I'm sure there was a scene cut or never shot where he comes back into play for their plan. Janeway shows up in the shuttle bay with the hypo spray but we never saw where she got it, for all we know there was a scene where perhaps Icheb and seven were talking about her future and Janeway calls him or both of them to sickbay but we don't know what for.

  • @Ragitsu
    @Ragitsu 4 роки тому +44

    When Icheb's parents described their plan for him, even Tuvok looked perturbed.

    • @GenGamesUniverse
      @GenGamesUniverse 3 роки тому +5

      That's the thing with Tuvok, I think Tuvok was pissed even though as a vulcan, he doesn't show emotions, BUT if it was Spock, Spock would have gone apeshit on them like he did with Valeris in Undiscovered Country.

    • @picallo1
      @picallo1 3 роки тому +4

      @@GenGamesUniverse But what choice did they have?? The future of their entire world was at stake. If we had to sacrifice one person to save all of Earth would we do it??

    • @zvonimirtosic6171
      @zvonimirtosic6171 3 роки тому +8

      The civilisation of cowards, and of those who sacrifice their young under false premises, does not deserve to exist. The moral of this story is that this civilisation is already dead, albeit they think ‘they are alive’.

    • @picallo1
      @picallo1 3 роки тому +3

      @@zvonimirtosic6171 Well Spock would disagree with you. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" Sacrificing one for the benefit of possible billions is not even close to being brutal. Humans die EVERY DAY by the dozens and nobody blinks an eye so spare me your righteousness. And they're one of the VERY FEW species that have a very effective method of completely wiping out one of the most dangerous threats in the known universe completely and utterly.

    • @Ragitsu
      @Ragitsu 3 роки тому +10

      @@picallo1 All of you "kill one to save a zillion" advocates need to STOP twisting Spock's words. He made a choice to sacrifice himself; he did *NOT* push for someone else to be killed in his place.

  • @novaguy1968
    @novaguy1968 6 років тому +6

    The music and sound effects whenever they encounter the Borg is superb

  • @bustedsim
    @bustedsim 4 роки тому +36

    "By sacrificing Icheb's future!"
    Yeah, cause it's gonna be a rosy one. -_-

  • @davidanderson5310
    @davidanderson5310 4 роки тому +13

    I'm not a big fan of action, but I love the second half of this scene, after Tuvok starts counting down. It's so tense.

  • @SEMAJH106
    @SEMAJH106 10 років тому +83

    Love that getaway scene

  • @voyagerfanspianotranscript323
    @voyagerfanspianotranscript323 4 роки тому +35

    After Icheb died on the Star Trek Picard, I will never look at the Borg episodes of Voyager the same way again. :-(
    I love the classic David Bell variants on this episode scene though ;-)

    • @tarb1320
      @tarb1320 4 роки тому +10

      Discovery and Picard are both trash and not real Star Trek, I do not consider them canon.

    • @voyagerfanspianotranscript323
      @voyagerfanspianotranscript323 4 роки тому +4

      Tarbasch
      I partially agree with you. Discovery is not star trek, but Picard is a bit star trek.

    • @doublesman0
      @doublesman0 4 роки тому

      wtf man spoilers

    • @stevenkaye1625
      @stevenkaye1625 4 роки тому +3

      @@tarb1320 Hate to tell you this, but whether or not you consider them canon is irrelevant. They are.

    • @stevenkaye1625
      @stevenkaye1625 4 роки тому +2

      Jeff Jefferson Yep, totally agree.

  • @vsboy25
    @vsboy25 8 років тому +95

    Star Trek Voyager has more dominant approach to traveling the universe, Janeway is a captain who seems less uptight then Picard of next generation.
    She is not afraid to break protocols and be offesnive if need be, i felt Next Generation which was great however lacked some aggression manly due to the picard character. Voyager feels more authentic.

    • @WilfredIvanhoe
      @WilfredIvanhoe 8 років тому +30

      TNG was happening mostly within the "safe and familiar" Alpha quadrant, with Starfleet support rarely very far away. Janeway is stranded 70 000 lightyears away from home, with no support available whatsoever. She can't afford to play by the book. I'm sure Picard would do the same in her situation.

    • @vsboy25
      @vsboy25 8 років тому +2

      WilfredIvanhoe somehow i feel that would not be the case.
      Janeway character was cast to a lady who needed to prove herself to command the newest vessel at the time, she could not be shown as weak.

    • @skovecka
      @skovecka 8 років тому +3

      that is not authentic at all... who would risk his life so often? If it would not be an American movie they would all be dead assimilated etc....

    • @vsboy25
      @vsboy25 8 років тому

      skovecka that is true, but i do love next gen but voyager is more intensive.

    • @mdcraig62
      @mdcraig62 8 років тому +1

      +xc5647321 xc5647321 what episode was that? Equinox? I think that should have been more in line with what happened to Voyager. Them hitting the reset button for the next week got dull.

  • @damnright4
    @damnright4 4 роки тому +11

    The best star trek series there ever was .. Writing and acting top notch!

  • @AlphanPeter
    @AlphanPeter 3 роки тому +5

    STAR TREK VOYAGER BORG EPISODES WERE THE BEST AND MY FAVORITES

  • @Kevin-Brent
    @Kevin-Brent 2 роки тому +9

    Loved whenever the Voyager crew went thug life on their enemies.

  • @hagestad
    @hagestad 4 місяці тому +5

    0:11 why is Crowley pretending to be some kind of StarTrek extra?

  • @DJSHaKa
    @DJSHaKa 5 років тому +85

    Cool. So the Borg sphere will regenerate and go and attack the planet once more. Good job Janeway?

    •  5 років тому +4

      Ah, the humanoids on that planet kinda look like us so they won't be...... missed much.

    • @histguy101
      @histguy101 5 років тому +16

      Well, they would have anyway, right? The Icheb bomb was a failure the first time. Why did his parents think it would succeed on the second?

    • @deydraniadiancecht8298
      @deydraniadiancecht8298 5 років тому +22

      Then one of them should have volunteered.

    • @tertiary7
      @tertiary7 4 роки тому +9

      One problem at a time.

    • @GlitchedAI
      @GlitchedAI 4 роки тому +7

      The planet won't get assimilated, they "appear" primitive, The Borg don't go after primitive civilisations, nothing worth assimilating.

  • @Greg29
    @Greg29 Рік тому +4

    Voyager was my favorite of all the Treks.

    • @Ragitsu
      @Ragitsu Рік тому

      Awesome Greg.

    • @tyrannozilla
      @tyrannozilla Рік тому

      Mine too. Tied with Deep Space Nine.

  • @jonathandavid3298
    @jonathandavid3298 4 роки тому +8

    They could have asked someone with a terminal illness or very old to volunteer to be genetically altered and volunteer to be on that ship to infect the Borg. They used a child without consent. The children were on Voyager long enough to be part of their community so I'm not sure Janeway rescuing him was a violation of prime directive. They did destroy the sphere which should lead the Borg to think twice about traveling to this sector.

    • @ZacLowing
      @ZacLowing 2 роки тому +4

      Naw, destroying a sphere is a sure sign there might be a civilization that has cool tech for the Borg to assimilate. That whole area is going to be searched looking for what did it

  • @KasaiWolf07
    @KasaiWolf07 8 років тому +78

    Icheb was a member of Voyager's crew and it wasn't right what Icheb's parents did to him. They left him to be assimilated again. If Voyager hadn't interfered then they would have taken him. The Prime Directive was broken but it wasn't Voyager that brought the borg sphere there. It was the species itself. However I dont' think the sphere would bother the planet. It's too primitive, not to mention the Borg don't hold grudges so they wouldn't go after the planet out of spite.

    • @gamester512
      @gamester512 8 років тому +6

      +KasaiWolf07
      That might not be true. I'm no expert on Star Trek, but at the very least, there's a repeatable mission in Star Trek Online that involves you and any nearby ships (regardless of faction) working together to stop a Borg fleet from reaching and assimilating an underdeveloped planet.
      Think about it, what better target for the Borg to assimilate, than an underdeveloped planet that doesn't even have ships or weapons that would be effective at fighting them off? An underdeveloped planet would be a treasure trove of new drones for the Borg.

    • @jettesjettes
      @jettesjettes 8 років тому +9

      The prime directive refuses contact with under developed species because they gave a lot of technology to the Klingons and that turned into war for years. Just like when we give weapons to people in the middle east. The values are not shared so they don't use the technology/weapons as was intended. it just enables them to spread their violence. If were in the same place those people were in and fighting to survive the borg, we might have done the same thing just to save us and would not like having someone else telling us that we can't protect ourselves and doom us to the borg.

    • @stars9084
      @stars9084 8 років тому +10

      The Borg don't care about a species' defenses, they'd attack the most heavily defended of planets unless they outright knew they couldn't win. In fact, defenses that might hold them off would be a bigger lure. And you're right, once their population grew the Borg would attack again. The whole point in the ep was that the reason the Borg had been holding off was that their last few attacks had left them decimated, so they would wait until the population/technology grew back again

    • @eXcommunicate1979
      @eXcommunicate1979 7 років тому +5

      Yep, the Borg was tech-harvesting them.

    • @Sintar07
      @Sintar07 7 років тому +12

      "Think about it, what better target for the Borg to assimilate, than an underdeveloped planet..."
      You'd think so, but the Borg themselves do not actually think this way. Usually. The Borg typically prefer to assimilate only peoples they think will contribute to the collective or the advancement of the collective. Seven explicitly mentions the Kazon as an example of a race that does not have to fear the Borg because the Borg find them utterly unworthy of assimilation.
      The only reason I personally can think of why the Borg might break this rule is to recoup major losses, for example, to recover from the ludicrous loss of drones suffered in the war with 8472. That's only speculation, though. All we know for sure is under normal circumstances, the Borg completely ignore underdeveloped races.

  • @lander77477
    @lander77477 4 роки тому +32

    1:57 Look how the whole bridge gets darker when they go to red alert

    • @Sasha-sj4xe
      @Sasha-sj4xe 4 роки тому +3

      I can't think of a logical in-universe reason why that would happen but it definitely makes dangerous situations more dramatic and tense

    • @ArcaneSky
      @ArcaneSky 4 роки тому +9

      @@Sasha-sj4xe My guess is that by darkening the room, the lighting from the consoles becomes even more visible, making it easier to see the controls you are operating.

    • @jdb2002
      @jdb2002 4 роки тому +13

      Reduce power to the lighting and transfer that extra power to shields and weapons.

    • @kfireven
      @kfireven 4 роки тому +2

      @@jdb2002 it's a starship not a car

    • @River_Saged
      @River_Saged 4 роки тому +2

      @@kfireven Yes, however they do "transfer power" quite often. It's a very common occurrence. Even seeing at least two battles involving the ships tells you that.

  • @TheCombatEditor62
    @TheCombatEditor62 4 місяці тому +1

    Wow, I love the sheer fury dripping from Janeway and Seven's voices during that exchange. Pure Mama Bear energy from both of them. you can tell it's taking Janeway everything she can to not blast Icheb's so-called parents to oblivion. They say never mess with Janeway in any circumstance, but heaven help you if you awaken her primal maternal protection instincts!

  • @ExplodingPiggy
    @ExplodingPiggy 5 років тому +2

    That's one of the best shots of voyager in the entire series!

  • @scooter1977
    @scooter1977 9 років тому +11

    This is probably the single best battle Voyager had with the borg in the whole series..the borg were not made to look like weaklings here which is something Voyager writers did to them time and time again....Voyager's weapons had no impact on the sphere and the only reason they got away was because of good planning and excellent timing...and more than a little luck. Kudo's to the writers of this episode, it's a shame Voyager didn't have more moments like this one....it could have been a great series.

    • @qichen85
      @qichen85 9 років тому +4

      scooter1977 Erm, I don't think it really showed Borg as weaklings. Voyager fought Borg Cubes a few time, but with exception of End game, the Cube is always malfunctioning/Voyager has assistance. Again, with exception of End game, the only Borg vessel that Voyager destroyed In an one on one engagement is the Borg probe, which is a comparable vessel to voyager to start up.

    • @MissStyra
      @MissStyra 6 років тому

      Er, no. And I'd like to challenge this fashionable (and misguided) narrative. The Borg being all-powerful, unassailable, monolithic, impervious to any challenges made them dull and one-dimensional. Ain'tcha ever heard of David and Goliath? Everyone loves the small fry up against the big fish. And Janeway continuously snapping at their heels, f*8king them over every which way she can - to her eventual triumph - was one of the enduring pleasures of his series. You need to get that...

  • @VonSpud
    @VonSpud 4 роки тому +6

    I'm going to have to rewatch the series to catch the ones I missed.
    Good stuff.

    • @levondarratt787
      @levondarratt787 3 роки тому

      Can they be watched for free somewhere in tbe US? (Binged)

    • @VonSpud
      @VonSpud 3 роки тому

      @@levondarratt787 not sure about free, one of the commercial streams could be had for a month to binge...even on free trial...

    • @levondarratt787
      @levondarratt787 3 роки тому

      @@VonSpud what channel or website tho?

    • @VonSpud
      @VonSpud 3 роки тому

      @@levondarratt787 Google says Netflix has Voyager until September 30th.

    • @levondarratt787
      @levondarratt787 3 роки тому +1

      @@VonSpud nice..thanks

  • @jjacksonjr51
    @jjacksonjr51 8 років тому +69

    Crowley played Icheb's fathern no wonder lol

    • @Yasuda9000
      @Yasuda9000 7 років тому +2

      jj jack Yep.

    • @jimbojackson2
      @jimbojackson2 7 років тому +7

      jj jack nice supernatural reference. 😂

    • @jimbojackson2
      @jimbojackson2 7 років тому +4

      Gabriel Fields I still wonder how Dean Winchester would have dealt with Karen Ferris is ds9's "Valiant". 😂

    • @jmferr2011
      @jmferr2011 6 років тому +2

      jimbojackson2
      "you're not in command, bitch." 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @freezetasticvoyage19
      @freezetasticvoyage19 4 роки тому +1

      The difference is, Crowley actually cared for his own son.

  • @skyexplores
    @skyexplores 3 місяці тому +2

    The sound effects of the Borg tractor beam give me goosebumps

  • @griffithandy2950
    @griffithandy2950 10 місяців тому +1

    I still rewatch some episodes

  • @hollandmeester347
    @hollandmeester347 7 років тому +16

    One of my favorite sf-series. Hot Seven of Nine made it even better.......

  • @skyrat1991
    @skyrat1991 4 роки тому +3

    I dont know why but I absolutely love the sound of the Borg's tractor beam lol

  • @1aikane
    @1aikane Рік тому +3

    The Voyager crew should make a silver screen movie

  • @incrediblemichael
    @incrediblemichael 4 роки тому +1

    the coolest warpjump i ever seen thumbs up for that xD

  • @emperorpalpatine783
    @emperorpalpatine783 6 місяців тому +1

    The CGI in the latter seasons of DS9 and VOY still hold up even better than recent shows like DIS and PIC

  • @skynetprime82
    @skynetprime82 8 років тому +20

    a gutsy move by Janeway, she's almost as suicidal as captain sisko :)

    • @sibbywoo
      @sibbywoo 8 років тому +9

      Or Captain Kirk

    • @AzguardMike
      @AzguardMike 8 років тому +8

      or Commander Sheppard

    • @ghostl1124
      @ghostl1124 6 років тому

      It's only a show....... ha ha

    • @alphanerd7221
      @alphanerd7221 3 роки тому

      Sisko isn't suicidal. He knows he's god godlike aliens defending his life at all times.

  • @xeraminkelvorax9110
    @xeraminkelvorax9110 4 роки тому +8

    '“What is the life of one bastard boy against an entire kingdom?“
    “Everything,” said Davos, softly.'

  • @lordbyron3603
    @lordbyron3603 8 років тому +16

    I want my very own Holodeck !

  • @iwillroam
    @iwillroam Рік тому +2

    Chills! This is great Star Trek.

  • @kallyfest
    @kallyfest Рік тому

    I listen this 5 times in row , thank , Voyager is my favorite

  • @Android_Warrior
    @Android_Warrior 4 роки тому +3

    I like all Star Trek series. the best was the next Generation but I love most of Voyager.

  • @amc6508
    @amc6508 7 років тому +7

    Ahhh Janeway! A great Captain of a fantastic ship!!!!

    • @AlanJames-oy4bj
      @AlanJames-oy4bj День тому

      A MUCH better pick for a symbol of Women's Empowerment than Wonder Woman, who eventually won. STILL can't wrap my head around that one.

  • @ryanyarbrough1343
    @ryanyarbrough1343 8 років тому +40

    Borg: We are the Borg. You will be.....Wait. NCC 74656, U.S.S Voyager? We're about to get our butts kicked, right?
    Janeway: Yep
    Borg: Stupid writers. They never would have done this to us on The Next Generation.

    • @Meoknet
      @Meoknet 7 років тому +6

      You're right. TNG would have put them to sleep again. Which was more lame?

    • @mickeye6428
      @mickeye6428 5 років тому +1

      They did this to them on Next Gen all the time. The Borg are chumps and always have been. If Picard hadn't been a shitty officer they would have never gotten anywhere against starfleet.

    • @Shapes_Quality_Control
      @Shapes_Quality_Control 5 років тому +1

      The Borg of Next Gen seemed representative of what we feared communism was. The Borg of Voyager is what communism actually was.

    • @mickeye6428
      @mickeye6428 5 років тому

      @@Shapes_Quality_Control That isn't what the Borg are supposed to be representative of at all. The Borg represent social media.
      Also, you don't appear to know hos communism works.

    • @Shapes_Quality_Control
      @Shapes_Quality_Control 5 років тому +1

      Mickey E Social media.... in the 80’s? Are you sure about that?
      Oh I’m sure. If I had a nickel for every time someone claimed I don’t know what communism is and then failed to demonstrate “real” communism.

  • @TheChardluz
    @TheChardluz Рік тому

    this is the star trek i want to watch over and over again.

  • @-M0LE
    @-M0LE 7 років тому +2

    That last few seconds is some of the best Star Trek cgi ever

  • @jonmyers8046
    @jonmyers8046 2 роки тому +3

    One of my favorite Voyager scenes. Although, they could've performed the Picard maneuver and got him out of there before the sphere emerged. That would've been cool too

  • @Amy-qc2qq
    @Amy-qc2qq 4 роки тому +3

    This episode broke my heart ... poor Icheb ❤ not as much as he broke my heart in Picard obvs 😭

  • @thomjanning7172
    @thomjanning7172 9 років тому +5

    To all of you saying Janeway violated the prime directive here and gave into her emotions to save a "child", how do you feel about Picard violating the Prime Directive to rescue Wesley from the Edo in the episode "Justice"? Both Wesley and Icheb serve in a capacity that wouldn't hurt the ship if they were lost. Picard felt that the laws of the Edo were unjust, and while he might have struggled the the decision, he violated the Prime Directive to save a non-essential member of the crew.

    • @ClassicalCentral
      @ClassicalCentral 8 років тому +1

      +Thom Janning The Edo weren't facing possible assimilation, genocide, geological calamity, or other extinction threat. Hatred of Wesley Crusher aside (as well as Roddenberry's idea of making him a "wunderkind"), I'd respectfully submit that Picard's violation of the Prime Directive in "Justice" didn't have nearly as disastrous potential consequences than this video's example did.

    • @SSPerfectChaosRCT
      @SSPerfectChaosRCT 8 років тому

      +MysticDestroyer13 Except that in "Justice" the Edo were being manipulated by their "God" who explained as much to the Enterprise that interference would throw the Edo into chaos, results of which no one could calculate with certainty.
      But to the original point, it became not a violation because of the aforementioned manipulation. Because another force acted on the people, it became okay for the crew to take a stand.

    • @ryleighstewart6188
      @ryleighstewart6188 8 років тому +2

      +Thom Janning What people keep forgetting is that despite the fact that we're talking about humans a few centuries in the future, we're still talking about humans, and as long as we retain emotions as part of our brain chemistry, these types of emotionally charged decisions are pretty much unavoidable.
      The Prime Directive serves as a relatively strict guideline on how members of Starfleet should interact with relatively primitive species.
      Since, as I mentioned, Starfleet is primarily comprised of humans, (the same humans as us, as the writing reflects humans as we relate to them, rather than an imagining of humans who have evolved intellectually from us as they more likely will), most situations where the Prime Directive is to be considered will involve a human. So emotions will always play a potential role in the decisions these Starfleet captains make.
      Furthermore, I would be surprised if well known and experienced Starfleet captains such as Picard and Janeway weren't given a fair amount of leeway to use their own discretion.

    • @fmlazar
      @fmlazar Рік тому +1

      Picard was just as wrong as Janeway. It was his professional carelessness to put a non crew member not even trained in the basic protocols in a First Contact situation. Wesley should never have been on the planet in the first place.

    • @oldtwinsna8347
      @oldtwinsna8347 5 місяців тому

      @@fmlazar Imagine being a crewmember who spent years in training and dedicated themselves on prior tours of duties to get an assignment on the Enterprise, finally getting a chance to be on an away mission only told, "nope, you're not going. some untrained kid the captain picked is taking your place"

  • @thompsop09
    @thompsop09 4 місяці тому +2

    Would have loved to see the Voyager franchise do a movie or two.

    • @mitchellmelkin4078
      @mitchellmelkin4078 Місяць тому

      @thompsop09, It was NEVER popular enough during its initial run to warrant making such an investment.
      Now, the series has become much more popularly received over the last half-dozen years or so, but that possibility appears to have no traction, which, given the course of Kurtzman Trek I feel very grateful about.

  • @Darbman62
    @Darbman62 8 місяців тому +2

    Never understood the "on my mark" Why not let Paris do his thing? Wouldn't it be faster?

  • @HaileyLove42
    @HaileyLove42 6 місяців тому +4

    2nd best jump to warp ever

  • @ascii7085
    @ascii7085 4 роки тому +11

    I remember being irritated at Voyager. It was too often the same thing, episodic and lacking any consequences or edge. While I do stand by those criticisms, it still fair to note:
    Be careful what you wish for.

  • @KryptonsCommander
    @KryptonsCommander Місяць тому

    Amazing quality! Great scene!

  • @Alovatololo
    @Alovatololo Рік тому +1

    Holy cow that's Mark Shepard. It's so weird seeing Voyager again and recognizing people that are now famous for different things.

  • @latentgamer5762
    @latentgamer5762 Рік тому +5

    Was that "Crowley"? HAHA!

  • @OneofInfinity.
    @OneofInfinity. 5 років тому +4

    In Unimatrix 01 there is a Borg Queen cursing Janeway.

  • @video409
    @video409 4 роки тому +28

    Flash forward years later he's butchered for his implants & mercy killed by seven

  • @PhilipKennedyBoley
    @PhilipKennedyBoley 4 роки тому +1

    The absolute confidence of Janeway when she says 'I'm listening'!

  • @aperson22222
    @aperson22222 4 роки тому +1

    1:41 And what a bright future it was! Good thing you gave it back to him.

  • @taumpytears6999
    @taumpytears6999 8 років тому +6

    A photon torpedo is supposed to pack something like 64 megatons and that sphere only took heavy damage?......maybe they need more photons.... I could loan them a flashlight , that oughtta generate a few quintillion photons for them to use

    • @squallofthedai
      @squallofthedai 6 років тому

      Quantum torpedoes were the upgrade, I could have sworn they mentioned in DS9 that photon torpedoes have reached the maximum damage potential they're going to reach, hence the creation of quantum since it held greater explosive yields. Though it does seem odd that a state of the art ship like Voyager and they didn't bother to arm it with quantum torpedoes. Starfleet, not always consistent with their reasoning.

    • @xandercage2388
      @xandercage2388 4 роки тому

      @@squallofthedai even on enterprise e and defiant, it seems quantum torpedoes were harder to come by and there was mostly phase pulses and photon torpedoes with quantums only when they needed a bigger bang. I guess they were in short supply

    • @GenGamesUniverse
      @GenGamesUniverse 3 роки тому

      @@xandercage2388 This is correct, Quantum torpedoes were never used unless they had to use them against say the Borg to make a dent in their armor. Photon Torpedoes would have only technically never made a dent in the armor.

  • @Redshirt434
    @Redshirt434 Рік тому +3

    Janeway saved a member of her crew. A crew that ex-drones included, by this point, were part of her family. Janeway is not in the wrong Icheb's despicable parents are for turning their innocent son into a bioweapon.

    • @ksbs2036
      @ksbs2036 Рік тому +1

      Societies have sent their children to fight since the beginning. This is no different. They fought with the only weapon at their disposal. The alternative was the loss of their society. Janeway was wrong and she sucked

    • @MasterofSpiders
      @MasterofSpiders Рік тому

      @@ksbs2036 Infecting Icheb with a virus and sending him to get assimilated didn't work cos the Borg would cut the infected cube off from the collective, just like they did the first time (pisses me off that Janeway doesn't tell them this). One cube out of 1000s that they have. Essentially an irrelevance for the Borg. The Brunali are sending him to die for nothing. Janeway was right, and Icheb's parents sucked.

  • @keithweaver7585
    @keithweaver7585 4 роки тому +3

    Now that Icheb is dead, this is even more of a messed up story. I wish we saw more of his starfleet career.

  • @frasierfreak92
    @frasierfreak92 8 місяців тому

    Janeway is one of my favourite Captains because she was pragmatic. She was Starfleet, and tried her best to uphold the ideals, but she also realised the Voyager was out there on its own and trying to survive. Sometimes that meant doing the unpopular thing. Same with Seven of Nine. It wasn’t protocol to essentially adopt her and make her a member of the crew, but Janeway knew how valuable she could be to them.

  • @rkmugen
    @rkmugen 4 роки тому +1

    I see people commenting, complaining that this is one example of the crew/the captain of Voyager, disregarding the Prime Directive, by interfering with another civilization. I'd argue that while the Brunali people (Icheb's people), used their children (maybe selected by lottery beforehand?) as weapons to fight the Borg, Voyager's actions is in a "grey" area of the issue. Icheb's parents DID succeed in disabling one Borg cube (the one Icheb and the other children were found on), but it is arguable that they had no expectation that their son would somehow survive, much less find his way back to their homeworld. And here's another part of the argument: Icheb's own say on what is to happen to his own life. Even during the moments leading up to him being commandeered by his parents (again), he wasn't even given the opportunity to choose between being used as a weapon (again), or some form of asylum(?)/refuge(?) on Voyager. The Brunali people actually are a warp-capable species, but they just don't have a global fleet to defend themselves........ so any argument supporting the idea that Voyager was interfering with a _"pre-warp civilization"_, in this situation, is probably not gonna work.

  • @jutau
    @jutau 9 років тому +8

    Is that Crowley?

  • @pefernandez1982
    @pefernandez1982 4 роки тому +6

    RIP Icheb!

  • @coreypatterson5827
    @coreypatterson5827 4 роки тому +7

    "So we got lucky once, now we're going right back to the same tactic that we know the Collective will be ready for this time." From such smarts, such stupidity.

    • @Janoha17
      @Janoha17 4 роки тому +1

      Pathogens are only reliable for stopping single vessels, unless you have cloaking technology from the future to deliver it directly to the heart of the collective.

  • @scooterdooter
    @scooterdooter 6 років тому +1

    Prime Directive against affecting other civilizations only applies to pre-warp species. Once a warp-capable species has the ability to "affect" the Federation's civilization, the Federation is free to "affect" them in return

  • @broinsocali
    @broinsocali Рік тому

    This was the only Star Trek I watched from start to finish