Wow. The feeling of "self" in my gut getting triggered by saying the words "I exist" did it. It was a button that showed me what was still here. And it immediately felt like grief. ❤❤❤
Thanks so much for putting this out there. There is no doubt that this one fell. Number seven is confusing and physically nauseating though. I walked through what felt like another dimension the other night, but the house was so dark, I fell asleep on the floor in baby’s room almost immediately because of something like vertigo. Feeling tired and like I’m missing something.
This is so cool! What a cliffhanger. Chat is very reminischent of Bernadette Robert's Experience of No Self. It would be great if you guys can cover some of the physical symptomms of this stuff, like how tender the area of the central channel and the spine feel during the process and whether that eventually subsides.
Wow! This was so interesting to listen to. Thank you! I am looking forward your next discussion on the Fetters 9&10, as I thought the eights was the last one 😂
here is some Aztec Nonduality: Teotl (Teotle = GOD) continually generates and regenerates as well as permeates, encompasses, and shapes the cosmos as part of its endless process of self-generation and regeneration. That which humans commonly understand as nature - e.g. heavens, earth, rain, humans, trees, rocks, animals, etc. - is generated by teotl, from teotl as one aspect, facet, or moment of its endless process of self-generation-and-regeneration. Yet teotl is more than the unified totality of things; teotl is identical with everything and everything is identical with teotl.
I can't tell if I am secretly trying to hide a "who" or not. Sometimes I feel like there is Zen Stink.... but I recognize it and don't like it..... It's a thought.. I don't want it, so I resist it which is bad, which is bad, which is bad....LOL So in the gap I sit. Where is the what that thinks there is still any who's. Aren't they all in Whoville? 💓
I know that you say fears of how things will be post-awakening are all just thoughts. But reading Susan Amos’ comment, it’s difficult not to have these thoughts. If I end up not being able to time manage, how exactly am I supposed to work a busy job where people’s lives are in my hands? My husband doesn’t have any interest in awakening and doesn’t really get what I’m doing. He certainly won’t be keeping my schedule for me and filling in all the gaps that might occur. I doubt he’d even understand what was happening. I feel like the majority of people aren’t living a life where the only scheduled thing they attend to each week is a yoga class. I know intellectually that seeing myself as a person with certain traits of being organized and high functioning is just a thought, but aren’t those adaptive survival skills? It seems like people who find themselves in the state Susan Amos described would likely have a lot of things sort of fall apart that required time management, organization, etc.
You’ll be fine, that’s just the situation one person is in. If she weren’t in that situation I’m pretty sure she would manage in a different way. Both Kevin and I work full time jobs.
Luckily I have an extremely left brained highly organised partner, who acts as my left brain for all functions, memories times and dates.. he is my living calendar… I never know what time it is, or day, it’s all the same apart from it gets darker and lighter! I only have one thing I do a week which is yoga and I seem to get there most weeks… or something does.. I have zero set times.. I write on a calendar to remind me of what we have done or attended… it makes little difference where I am or what I am doing.. it is just a constance of buzzing energy awareness… not dropped completely though…
when this all first happened to me it scared the crap out of me, I diddnt understand what had happened to me because it happened spontaneously and I diddnt know about non duality or vedanta but after finding these years later I've settled now and not scared anymore and realize it's just the truth and the way things actually are and I am just seeing things as they are and I'm not crazy and it's a blessing it happened to me. i know I'm using words like me and happened to me but i do know there is no me and even writing this here feels kinda pointless but I guess since this is apparently appearing to happen I will play along. might as well even though I realize nothing is actually happening and just appears to be happening in my self and I say that knowing there is no actual in or out, it just is I just am and i exist in no actual position only here but no specific here just here where I am but where I am is only where I am, I know that doesn't say it exactly but I cant get any closer with words and that's the best I can say. And where I am and where you are are the same one but not a one like a number because there is nothing else to even have a number to relate it to and this one is apparently living many apparent lives from the infinite potential possibilities of its/my being, I am every thing that appears to be, ever will be, or has ever been, only I exist and without me nothing would ever appear to be. it's the truth and it's also the truth of all your existance. i know a lot of this sounds contradictory, but there is no good or perfect way to really say it without saying things that seem or sound contradictory, but if you get it you get it, look through/past everything past your senses and mind and know yourself as you are. oh and sorry if the whole only I exist and everything is me sounds bad but I dont mean it the way it sounds, that's not from the point of view of the me thats apparently typing this it's from the point of view of me me the me that we all share the one that's actually truly here. Love you all ❤🙏🏼❤🙏🏼❤ Namaste 🙂
Thank you both....I feel I'm consciously unwrapping....a few years ago I had what now I know was some shift, I didn't know what was happing to me I felt I was shedding, and looking in the mirror at myself saying who am I? What if I have no more thoughts? .. while I was having a panic attack I don't know what else to call it...
Desist from the activity of objectifying, and watch those fetters flutter away! Objectifying never succeeded. No objects were ever created. Yourself is not a self. No identity was ever forged. (Why we keep on trying...) The past is gone, the present is already gone by the time it registers in the senses, and the future will only be seen when it becomes past and is gone. :-)
How do realizations revealed by inquiry differ from depersonalization which a Psychological disorder? The more I feel into this the more I feel like life is one giant lie. I struggle to get out of bed in the morning and the motivation to do anything productive seems like an act seeking. Like why go exercise if there really is no one here? There has to be more to life than just contemplating my non existence till the end of time.
I wouldn’t necessarily recommend self inquiry for someone with DP/DR. It’s more important to do integrative work such as emotion work, developing life stills, good habits, boundary setting and communication skills.
Nice !!!❤️🙏🌈 My guess is that it's about loosing "referral awareness",("self awareness"...as a somebody is long gone)... as a "story"...which means in "time"...which means accumulative, short term memory... So...loosing this referral (like a "monitor" loudspeaker to a singer)... ...and living, from moment to moment like a padded cell (or total non reflective blackness), not reflecting anything to the mirror of referral awareness... So...there is only immediate awareness...but not "knowing about this immediate knowing..." No story "in time "... So ...no inquiry...no wisdom...no concepts... Just pure being... without the slightest "echo"...❤️🙏🌈... So perception is still there...but it's weak... In Buddhism it's called line drawn on water...
It’s a little unclear to me why it is that as the 8th fetter/sense of self falls, that trauma and pain body stuff can emerge in force. Is it an attempt to find the self?
Actually that’s a good way of putting it. It’s hard to explain logically but I’ll just say that with no ability to filter anything or hide any where, everything “left” will just be felt full on. Tho in my experience that’s a very good thing bc it self corrects very rapidly for the same reason. Tho I’d does very much help to have someone around to point it out to you as well.
Wow. The feeling of "self" in my gut getting triggered by saying the words "I exist" did it. It was a button that showed me what was still here. And it immediately felt like grief. ❤❤❤
Amazing. You guys making nondual realisation to easy :P
Imagine this being taught in elementary school!
And belief is always thought not experience. Very clear. Thanks!
Thanks so much for putting this out there.
There is no doubt that this one fell. Number seven is confusing and physically nauseating though. I walked through what felt like another dimension the other night, but the house was so dark, I fell asleep on the floor in baby’s room almost immediately because of something like vertigo. Feeling tired and like I’m missing something.
Strong recommendation to interview Daniel Ingram. He has such a fiery passion for awakening.
Please interview Daniel Ingram! Would be so informative to hear two of my teachers talk.
this is gold-- thank you so much for elaborating
This is so cool! What a cliffhanger. Chat is very reminischent of Bernadette Robert's Experience of No Self. It would be great if you guys can cover some of the physical symptomms of this stuff, like how tender the area of the central channel and the spine feel during the process and whether that eventually subsides.
A lot of energetic /physical aspects yes. Great idea for a video
The additional info for self guidance on Kevin’s website is very helpful. Thank you both!
You guys are just phenomenal.😊
Wow! This was so interesting to listen to. Thank you! I am looking forward your next discussion on the Fetters 9&10, as I thought the eights was the last one 😂
here is some Aztec Nonduality:
Teotl (Teotle = GOD) continually generates and regenerates as well as permeates, encompasses, and shapes the cosmos as part of its endless process of self-generation and regeneration. That which humans commonly understand as nature - e.g. heavens, earth, rain, humans, trees, rocks, animals, etc. - is generated by teotl, from teotl as one aspect, facet, or moment of its endless process of self-generation-and-regeneration. Yet teotl is more than the unified totality of things; teotl is identical with everything and everything is identical with teotl.
Absolutely love it... don't even get me started on Tezcatlipoca!
Looking forward 2 getting lost at sea again in the next episode. 🙏
These are so helpful
Thanks for taking the time to point to this
My pleasure!
Fetters sound like a crispy, savory snack. "Better get your Fetters." 😉
Cheddar Fetters, lets make them and share millions of dollars 🤣
yummmmmmm
"There is no place for anything to Hyde" and It clicked for me...so obvious now :) thank you!
Welcome
I can't tell if I am secretly trying to hide a "who" or not. Sometimes I feel like there is Zen Stink.... but I recognize it and don't like it..... It's a thought.. I don't want it, so I resist it which is bad, which is bad, which is bad....LOL So in the gap I sit. Where is the what that thinks there is still any who's. Aren't they all in Whoville? 💓
Gratitude.
I know that you say fears of how things will be post-awakening are all just thoughts. But reading Susan Amos’ comment, it’s difficult not to have these thoughts. If I end up not being able to time manage, how exactly am I supposed to work a busy job where people’s lives are in my hands? My husband doesn’t have any interest in awakening and doesn’t really get what I’m doing. He certainly won’t be keeping my schedule for me and filling in all the gaps that might occur. I doubt he’d even understand what was happening. I feel like the majority of people aren’t living a life where the only scheduled thing they attend to each week is a yoga class. I know intellectually that seeing myself as a person with certain traits of being organized and high functioning is just a thought, but aren’t those adaptive survival skills? It seems like people who find themselves in the state Susan Amos described would likely have a lot of things sort of fall apart that required time management, organization, etc.
You’ll be fine, that’s just the situation one person is in. If she weren’t in that situation I’m pretty sure she would manage in a different way. Both Kevin and I work full time jobs.
Really helpful! Ready for 9!
Luckily I have an extremely left brained highly organised partner, who acts as my left brain for all functions, memories times and dates.. he is my living calendar… I never know what time it is, or day, it’s all the same apart from it gets darker and lighter! I only have one thing I do a week which is yoga and I seem to get there most weeks… or something does.. I have zero set times.. I write on a calendar to remind me of what we have done or attended… it makes little difference where I am or what I am doing.. it is just a constance of buzzing energy awareness… not dropped completely though…
How would you feel if you didn't have your partner there to organise dates, etc...does he get frustrated?
when this all first happened to me it scared the crap out of me, I diddnt understand what had happened to me because it happened spontaneously and I diddnt know about non duality or vedanta but after finding these years later I've settled now and not scared anymore and realize it's just the truth and the way things actually are and I am just seeing things as they are and I'm not crazy and it's a blessing it happened to me. i know I'm using words like me and happened to me but i do know there is no me and even writing this here feels kinda pointless but I guess since this is apparently appearing to happen I will play along. might as well even though I realize nothing is actually happening and just appears to be happening in my self and I say that knowing there is no actual in or out, it just is I just am and i exist in no actual position only here but no specific here just here where I am but where I am is only where I am, I know that doesn't say it exactly but I cant get any closer with words and that's the best I can say. And where I am and where you are are the same one but not a one like a number because there is nothing else to even have a number to relate it to and this one is apparently living many apparent lives from the infinite potential possibilities of its/my being, I am every thing that appears to be, ever will be, or has ever been, only I exist and without me nothing would ever appear to be. it's the truth and it's also the truth of all your existance. i know a lot of this sounds contradictory, but there is no good or perfect way to really say it without saying things that seem or sound contradictory, but if you get it you get it, look through/past everything past your senses and mind and know yourself as you are. oh and sorry if the whole only I exist and everything is me sounds bad but I dont mean it the way it sounds, that's not from the point of view of the me thats apparently typing this it's from the point of view of me me the me that we all share the one that's actually truly here. Love you all ❤🙏🏼❤🙏🏼❤ Namaste 🙂
Did you go through disassociative states like DP/DR?
@jasongeyer2111 Thank you much love from Ireland xx
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake please have this lady on your podcast 😍
Thank you both....I feel I'm consciously unwrapping....a few years ago I had what now I know was some shift, I didn't know what was happing to me I felt I was shedding, and looking in the mirror at myself saying who am I? What if I have no more thoughts? .. while I was having a panic attack I don't know what else to call it...
Desist from the activity of objectifying, and watch those fetters flutter away!
Objectifying never succeeded. No objects were ever created. Yourself is not a self. No identity was ever forged. (Why we keep on trying...)
The past is gone, the present is already gone by the time it registers in the senses, and the future will only be seen when it becomes past and is gone. :-)
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How do realizations revealed by inquiry differ from depersonalization which a Psychological disorder? The more I feel into this the more I feel like life is one giant lie. I struggle to get out of bed in the morning and the motivation to do anything productive seems like an act seeking. Like why go exercise if there really is no one here? There has to be more to life than just contemplating my non existence till the end of time.
I wouldn’t necessarily recommend self inquiry for someone with DP/DR. It’s more important to do integrative work such as emotion work, developing life stills, good habits, boundary setting and communication skills.
Please interview Scott Kiloby
Will you be interviewing Paul Hedderman? Non duality teacher.
Any chance you make a video about desire for romantic love?
You never know... keep asking, maybe that will help
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake As you can see im asking every vid, its getting kinda stupid now, i maybe have one or two left in me.
@@ripper9112 😂😂😂… come on I know you have more than that!
@@ripper9112 ok ok there’s one coming up but won’t be for a bit tho
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Nisargadatta meant by I Am That what the frase Tat tvam Asi is referring to.
Nice !!!❤️🙏🌈
My guess is that it's about loosing "referral awareness",("self awareness"...as a somebody is long gone)... as a "story"...which means in "time"...which means accumulative, short term memory...
So...loosing this referral (like a "monitor" loudspeaker to a singer)...
...and living, from moment to moment like a padded cell (or total non reflective blackness), not reflecting anything to the mirror of referral awareness...
So...there is only immediate awareness...but not "knowing about this immediate knowing..."
No story "in time "...
So ...no inquiry...no wisdom...no concepts...
Just pure being... without the slightest "echo"...❤️🙏🌈...
So perception is still there...but it's weak...
In Buddhism it's called line drawn on water...
It’s a little unclear to me why it is that as the 8th fetter/sense of self falls, that trauma and pain body stuff can emerge in force. Is it an attempt to find the self?
Actually that’s a good way of putting it. It’s hard to explain logically but I’ll just say that with no ability to filter anything or hide any where, everything “left” will just be felt full on. Tho in my experience that’s a very good thing bc it self corrects very rapidly for the same reason. Tho I’d does very much help to have someone around to point it out to you as well.
🙏💚💜
You are not enlightened