Good assessment of these e-outboard engines. The ePropulsion has been driving the tender of our Beneteau 40 for about two years now before we had him on an open sailboat to get in and out of the harbor. Overall we are pretty pleased with the engine. Our main reason for choosing the ePropulsion over the Troqueedo was none of your mentioned reasons. For us, it was how the drive works. The Torqueedo has gears between the electric engine and the propeller. The eProulsion has direct drive where the propeller is mounted directly on the motor shaft. The gears in the Torqueedo can fail if the propeller hits something and the geared drive is significantly more nosy. Two things to be aware of, like every battery, getting older, there may be some surprises, the power can drop faster than projected. The other one is the battery housing, specifically the black part. It has cheap injection molding and can crack easily, and not much force is needed. Ours broke while it dropped from just a couple of inches on a wooden pier. I thought it was no big deal. I will order a spare and repair it. The problem was that this piece was not available as a spare part, and ePropulsion suggested getting a new battery. In the end, we got lucky, and our local retailer had a defective battery and was willing to sell us the lower part of the housing.
When the motor is under the waterline the possibility of water ingress is greater. In many places it is considered rude behavior or poor etiquette to lift a dinghy motor up and leave it that way at a dinghy dock because with the people coming and going and crowding causes sharp props out of the water to slash and damage inflatable boats. If you need to leave the motor under the water for hours each day if you spend a lot of time ashore then the possibility of the seals eventually failing increase as the years go by. That's why regular outboard motors are supposed to change their lower unit oil regularly. They can take a tiny bit of water getting in past the shaft seals. Fancy electric motors really can't.
The Torqeedo 1003 and 503 models were geared. They have been replaced by the 1103 and 603, both brushless direct drive. I never found the 1003 to be that noticeably loud except in videos. The 1103 is as quiet as the Spirit 1.0 line.
99.99% done? It has been a special era following the coming of Athena and I assume a whole lot of us feel a little bewildered when there are no more Sunday updates and how to do things properly. Mads, I hope you realize that your refit/remake/new-make have made a profund impact on the entire DIY boating community. A really really big thank you. So now, at the commencement of a new era which hopefully will entail lots of actual sailing, I'm sure many of us will continue to travel with you and Ava on your exploratory passages across the seven seas. Good and safe luck to both of you.
Ava is back! Great to see the team back together. Hope you can show some sailing video when you do pull out of Gosport. The gold leaf cove stripe to-do sticky must have fallen down off the to-do bulkhead, but don't worry, I will try not to forget to remind you how spiffy it will look. Have fun on your sail.
Bravo Zulu for wearing PFDs in the dinghy. Here in the states we have found that only about 1 in 100 cruisers ever wear them and will even make snotty remarks to those few of us who buck the trend and always wear them. "Not a good swimmer, huh?" Is one of many things folks have said. Whatever, we care not for peer pressure and religiously wear them in the dinghy and on deck. Because of moisture after a rain in a dinghy, and theft concerns at the many weird places we tend to leave our dinghy for hours at a time as we explore towns and wildlands, we use cheap Type-III non-inflatable ski vest type PFDs in the dinghy that don't mind getting a soaking or being left out in the UV rays of the sun. We have nice inflatable PFDs with an integrated harness for tethers when we are sailing and always-ALWAYS wear them whenever we leave the cockpit no matter the conditions unless we are at anchor or docked. If it gets bad or dark they go on and we even put on the tethers -especially when one of us is belowdecks sleeping. Cute little E-outboard. It does make a lot of sense to have an electric outboard since you already are "All-In" on the heavily electric-powered boat systems including the all electrical galley. I am afraid that 3 knots is not going to cut it though in many areas with even a halfway strong current. We once got stuck in the marina at the dinghy dock when in New York City because we were unable to make it back to our mooring ball since the current was too strong to return to our boat. We had to wait hours for the tide to change and by that time it was pretty cold and dark. We hadn't prepared with warmer clothes or lights. IMHO a dinghy needs to make closer than 5 knots minimum. Maybe if you row at the same time you could make that speed to beat the current.
It has been so great watching these videos for the last 5 years. Ava, you are so sweet, kind, and patient. Mads, you have done an amazing job on this boat rebuild and I can't wait to see the videos of the coming year. Props to you both. Sail Life 4Ever!
See you're almost done with your crossing to Cherbourg (3-24-2022, 17:30 UTC). Beam reach the whole way... Nice! :) Looking forward to seeing some sailing video.
To give up a little speed to get rid of the noise ,smell and maintenance of a gas motor is a win . The only thing I'd invest in is the extra battery just in case you want to travel farther without the worry an stress of being able to get back to the boat. My wife and I wish you both all the happiness you can have in your marriage. We have been so lucky to be best friends and love each other unconditionally an we hope you can have the same . God bless you both with a life of wonderful experiences.
Wow, while perhaps for you two it seems so long that you have not moved, we are shocked by how rapidly you two will be ready for being in the Med! I wished you could have gone to Bath and the canals of that area! We lived 18 k, east in Braford on Avon! A beautiful village with 80 % of its building being oridginal stone! I really like very much the massive info and the links! Thanks again for you show!!!
@@StormSignal I went to the Junk Rig Association web page and searched for a Warrior. There was no names but the ship name and the previous owners account had been closed. The previous owner had stated that he mostly sailed it along the east and south coasts of England and had converted it in 2012 or there about.
@@StormSignal No I'm not. Unfortunately I haven't sailed in decades. And I just found that 'Bertha' is up for sale again. Correction was sold recently.
Great video as always. We bought an eprop plus last year and it is fantastic. But I have a longish walk to our dinghy to get out to our sailboat and the combined battery and lg still weighs enough. Then I discovered a ‘Kicker’ from thrustme.no this has the same power, much less range but weighs only 4.5Kgs! It’s as easy to use and as powerful as the big one and the range is enough to go to shore and back (charges easy on a dc system). I haven’t got them but they say they have add-on batteries. I think if I had known about this first - I would have just had this and extra batteries. As it is I have both 😜. Happy Sailing!
I've been a service technician on these motors and most of the faults were user error. Thinking they could lift the whole engine out of the water with the handle or using the cable and connector like it was a steel pipe instead of a cable. The same people destroy their smartphone cables. Other than that, really sturdy!
@@svbarryduckworth628 On the mains end of the cable.. I loop it back and use some electrical tape wrapped around (hope that makes sense) it takes the strain off the point where it goes into the hard plastic. Also the mains sockets location is worth getting right.
As a commercial electrician and a full-time cruiser now for the past 5 years or so I have tried all the tricks. Phone charging cables are just very delicate and not up to the stresses of marine full-time use on a small boat. Short of wrapping the cord up and stowing it EVERY time it is not being used it will eventually get pinched on something, be it the nav desk hinged lifting top, the bench seat hinged lifting top, something else tangling and pulling on it, lifting the berth cushions and yanking on them, or a million other things to tangle with a cord in a working boat. The reality of a smart mobile device is that it needs to be charged often enough that it will spend as much time plugged in and charging as it does not plugged in. We have 12v lighter sockets all around the boat at all berths and workstations for Anker USB plugs. Cords are often dangling and don't.always get neatly hung up and out of the way. That is the reality of a working boat.
Once you're satisfied with the outboards performance, you can always reinforce the inside of the handle with fiberglass as a preventative measure. I'd slather that battery connector with dielectric grease, considering how likely it is that it will be splashed with salt water regularly in use... 😎
Very interesting seeing the new electric outboard powering you both along in the dingy. But I've got to tell you that I almost choked on my coffee when Ava was making the bed and you told us you were going to "take Ava for a spin..."! But she clarified that for us immediately, LoL!! Love you guys.
You will want to pay attention to tides and currents with that out board. In the Pacific North West where I live you'll often find yourself moving several knots backward with the motor pinned forward. I suspect that you'll run into similar situations through out the world.
We have one, on the Piscataqua River and agree. We move closer to the shore and it is not much of an issue then other than slower travel. It works for us.
We once got stuck in New York City on the Hudson river at the 79th Street Marina dinghy dock and could not get back to our boat at the mooring ball because of the current. We had to wait hours for the tide to change until we could go back with our laundry, and by that time it was well after dark plus we had not prepared with any jackets or a light. A dinghy needs to go about 5 knots for a cruising tender.
Furling mainsail + large arch with solar panels = switch on the engine when going windward. OK if engine is correctly noise insulated and if using tradewinds most of the time.
For the down wind preventer, make up a line for permanent rigging from the clew end of the boom to somewhere like the vang attachment point. You can then use that to attach a line forward and back to the cockpit as required without having to get to the end of the boom while at sea.
I chose an 1103 Torqeedo as it was lighter, broke into three parts for easier stowage and with my usage the battery capacity less important. I also preferred the technology behind the battery build and I liked the fact it was made in Germany, not China.
Captain Rick on sailing sophisticated lady has 2 of them an some other gear that goes with everything else... It's so very quiet... An really easy to use...that spray hood is a beautiful edition to Athena as well as bringing the lines back so neatly as well as the continuous line...that's nice to have. Thanks for sharing your lives with us...Fare winds an following sea's guy's ✌🏼💗😊❣️
I love my e-Propulsion. I don’t miss my old outboard not starting and making a lot of noise. That Warrior 40 is interesting for sure. Hope,the sailmakers advised you about running them in to avoid things like a hooked leech etc. Look forward to seeing you with the guys from Cadoha. Andy UK
best sailing channel imho. what will be especially interesting to follow will be how the very tricked out electrical do-hickeys fare and how Mads troubleshoots them.. those control boxes below the floor in the port aft section worry me..
It's funny; no seriously, Matts, it takes a while to get your humour but boy is it subtle... and then there's Eva pops up to add a sparkle and the glint of an eye knowing the pair of you are gonna zoom in the UA-cam stakes, not just as a go-to, 'how-to' UA-cam site, but as a place where the weekend ends with a broad smile and the world a better place. Apologies for the chapter but I rarely comment and, oh! Too much wine. Happy sailing.
You're dropping the ball guys. I would have expected you to have your Sail Life logo on your main sail. You most likely could have gotten it as a free add on with your plug in the video.
I installed 8 new spinlock clutches a couple of years ago. I have everything lead aft to the cockpit now . They are so much better than the old jammers i replaced.
He definitely need a custom cover, with BIG Sail Life logo on it (for both main sail and tender) . I'm in awe every time I see the S/V Delos buddha flying.
Hi Mads, hi Eva 🤗 We're planning to buy those headsets that you call 'marriage savers'. My husband and I have been trying to find them on Amazon but can't seem to find them. What are they called exactly? Where did you buy them from please? Thanks guys 😊
Hey, Great video as always. I have a Torqeedo which is used to power my Moore24, 24' 2100 pound sailboat. Pushes us at hull speed no problem! I have the larger batterey and have yet to run it down. When I purchased my motor I was unaware of any other viable options on the market. So far it has been wonderful! Electric outboards are the only way to go! I just aquired an iflatable dinghy for our larger boat, so the Torqeedo will be pressed into service there too. Thanks for all your insight on the products you use. Very helpful! Mitchell sv Sonata San Francisco Bay, California
So are you ready to put a Plexiglas-spray guard between the stove and the "Chart" table. I have highly recommended this since I saw your layout of the galley. All it takes is a accidental flip of a spatula for grease to damage something quite expensive. See you!
I have the same ePropulsion outboard and I bought the 12v/solar charger it’s faster that using the mains block. Note - if the prop is out of the water it will only spin slowly when unloaded.
I know that you sorted the clutch, but on the point of ‘riveted items being permanently fixed in place’, I can suggest drilling the rivets out; starting with a small drill bit and getting bigger, effectively destroying the rivet. Then to replace the item just re-rivet.
8:16 For a second there i thought that boat said "Marie Antoinette". Can you imagine sailing on a boat named that? You'd have to hold it for a long time since it has no head.
So unusual to see Ava without thick glasses. I guess the trip to Hungary with sister was not all about seeing Budapest, but getting eyes lasered affordably. Even more adorable now.
Wonderful to see your lady without the binoculars on, sorry but she looks more gorgeous without them massive glasses, please keep the brilliant content going and keep safe 👍🏻
Hello Mads. You have had this outboard a few months now, and I wondered if you could share updated thoughts on it? There are a few new players coming into this market, and hopefully improved new technology, so it is the usual tightrope of buy now, or wait for the new kit!
Noticed your Viking life vests - i had similar ones years back. Serviced annually by Viking. On one occasion the manual inflation handle got stuck on the companion way door and the vest inflated immeadiately - and deflated. The air vent tube intended for manual inflation had a false valve. You might want to check yours.
We got inexpensive ski vest type PFDs to use in the dinghy -and we wear them there religiously even if the dinghy dock or beach is within sight. Inflatable PFDs are too much of a theft magnet to leave in the dinghy when ashore and not something you want to get wet when it rains or leave out in the baking tropical sun. We have come back to our dink to find the rain has nearly swamped it while we were out on a shore excursion. Everything inside was floating around. An automatic inflatable would have self-inflated while we were gone.
What's there not to like? Always fun and informative content so thanks! Seems like there are more and more junk rigged boats popping up such as Tapatya and SV Seeker.
Seeker isn't really a boat, it is merely a boat-shaped object. It does seem to be floating still -but then again so does a turd... How is that bus automatic transmission going Doug :D :D :D
I know a little of the story behind the junk rig Warrior. She was for sale ~3yrs ago and we viewed her. She was built in 1996 and was conventionally rigged; the seller had had her converted to junk schooner. We were gutted not to buy her but for us, the price and condition did not match up.
don't forget to put a piece of safety between the engine support and the transom, you never know with the swirls.... we have seen this before, losing an engine, it happened to my father when I was child...! all my best wishes to the newlyweds...!! ne pas oublier de mettre un bout de sécurité entre le support du moteur et le tableau arrière, on ne sait jamais avec les remous.... on a déjà vu cela , perdre un moteur, cela est arrivé à mon père quand j'étais enfant...! tous mes voeux de Bonheur aux jeunes Mariés...!!
I think you might have a problem with the outboard motor. If you are going into the wind with the dingy you might not have enough power or range depending on the wind velocity.
I hope you left a note on the junk-rigged boat Love junk. The stove hood will be very interesting, It would be nice to suck out the grease while cooking, Looking forward to your time in France. Hope you still get to Ireland sometime :)
Here in St Martin, where we are currently anchored on the French side, the trip to the Dutch side of Saint Maarten is several miles each way. There is no way the electric outboard would be practical for actual cruising IMHO unless you want to spend half the day going in one direction. Saba is another example of the need for a powerful motor to move you a rather long distance through sometimes substantial waves. I’ll be curious to see how you feel about it once cruising full time.
Electric outboards are great for moving around the marina in calm conditions, but if your anchored a few miles out somewhere and the weather is not calm, it will be very underpowered.
Nothing to do with being electric. The same could be said about any tiny gas outboard with the same power. You can get electric outboards big enough to seriously scoot, but the bigger ones require stand alone batteries. Torqeedo and epropulsion both have options roughly equivalent to a 9 or 10 hp gas engine. Torqeedo has options up to around 80 hp equivalent.
It isn't really 3HP either. 747watts = 1HP and this outboard is 1000w. It may accelerate like a 3hp but overall thrust at speed will be be barely over 1HP. Our 3HP 2-stroke.can push our dinghy nearly 5 knots and is fine in rough seas. Mads' "3hp" electric outboard can only do 3kt.
@@svbarryduckworth628 Yeah, I really wish that these companies would stop with these inflated "HP equivalent" numbers. It feels dishonest, and only gives fuel to the anti-ev crowd.
@@FlesHBoX it is true that an electric motor does have a different torque curve than a 2 or 4-stroke so they do pull up on plane easier and once there they don't need the same max thrust to maintain it. But it is getting ridiculous that they say a 1000w motor (at the motor shaft not the prop where modern gas outboards are measured for HP) is the equivalent of a 3HP gas outboard. In Mads' case that 1000w e drive is NEVER going to get anything but a tiny plastic kayak on plane, much less a RIB. In reality for getting to a top speed in displacement mode that 1000w e drive is really only 1.25HP -or less, if you include gear losses getting down to the prop. They are claiming more than double ehat it really is.
Found your channel about a month ago and have been watching all videos using "Project Athena" playlist. However, it only goes as far as Dec 2021. Is there another playlist which goes on from there in order? I want to watch every video from where I started.
Sophisticated lady have a regen outboard for their dingy...but they hang it off the boat while under sail to recharge the battery without going through any electrickery 😉 they also can use theirs as a back up motor for manouvring or if their main Diesel fails. ..its slow but will do it and their boats larger and heavier than yours. They tested it.
@@jcregal3456 I cannot remember what the power is I know they have a very large battery and a solar panel on their dingy roof. A Dutch company is launching a 15kw rim drive E outboard motor.. I hope the manufacturers have at least optimised their prop.for E power.. it makes a big difference in performance and efficiency.
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 Yes, props were an issue, the company sent him a couple of props to try out. Even as large(powerful) as that motor is, I still don't think it will plane the tender.
@@jcregal3456 The Sophisticated lady tender went fine..and with two adults would plane well enough but carrying four adults the bow loading causes too much drag. It still moves quickly enough and he optimises power consumption against loads and range. It was Madds 3 hp equivalent i was concerned about... I cannot remember what Cahodas is. For 2 adults on tidal waters i would think 5-8 hp equiv would be more likely.
It would be very interesting to see an unbiased comparison review of both ePropulsion and Torqeedo equivalent models. Looking at the published specifications, they are similar. I think it is good that the two companies have each other as competitors. We customers will benefit. I have always been interested in electric motors in vehicles and boats. I started experimenting with a Minn Kota Endura 50 on my O'Day 19. It was reasonable but had only 3 knots top speed. I have been using a Torqeedo Cruise 2.0 on my Capri 22 since 2011. I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 in September 2017 when I had a lead acid battery problem yet still had some sailing/racing events left for the year. I switched to lithium for the next season. I found that the selection criteria and speed/distance stats that Torqeedo publishes have been very accurate. The Cruise 2.0 drove the 2250 lbs Capri to hull speed (6 knots) and comfortably handled the 20 knot+ headwinds. The Travel 1003 easily drove the Capri to 5 knots. The Travel is now relegated to the O'Day 19 and an inflatable dinghy. Both my wife and I enjoy the quiet when motoring with an electric drive. Two seasons ago we purchased a Catalina 310. It has a diesel. I wonder how long it will be until she will long for the quiet of an electric motor in the 310.
Interesting video good as always. I'm stuck now on these electric outboards they let the marketing people run wild. Kilowatt conversion to horsepower is simple 1kw is 1.34hp that simple. Torqeedo with their Ultralight 1103 AC is .540kw converts to .72 hp. I'm sure it will do just fine for you dingy hopefully if you get some water current doesn't cause problems, will just have to test her out :D. Sorry just had to rant a little about those deceptive companies haha
Is there a particular reason that the spray hood terminates forward of the helm? Seems like the North Atlantic in December would be less daunting if the helmsman was out of the weather.
Who else freaked out a little when Mads didn't oversize the drill holes and fill them with epoxy before mounting everything?
The thought crossed my mind too. But, knowing him, he did it of camera
The area is not the decking he replaced, but it is solid fiberglass no sandwich construction.
I also was yelling at my phone . But Hopefully off camera he did drill fill drill. We will see.
@@patrickradcliffe3837 Looked like brown fiberglass sawdust.😀
Yes, my question also. First thing I thought about. Come on Mads, did you or didn’t you?😆
OMG! Ava isn't wearing glasses! What bright shiny eyes! Madds, you lucky dog you! LOL! Cheers guys!
Sun fun to see Ava without her glasses, looking beautiful as always!
Good assessment of these e-outboard engines. The ePropulsion has been driving the tender of our Beneteau 40 for about two years now before we had him on an open sailboat to get in and out of the harbor. Overall we are pretty pleased with the engine.
Our main reason for choosing the ePropulsion over the Troqueedo was none of your mentioned reasons. For us, it was how the drive works. The Torqueedo has gears between the electric engine and the propeller. The eProulsion has direct drive where the propeller is mounted directly on the motor shaft. The gears in the Torqueedo can fail if the propeller hits something and the geared drive is significantly more nosy.
Two things to be aware of, like every battery, getting older, there may be some surprises, the power can drop faster than projected.
The other one is the battery housing, specifically the black part. It has cheap injection molding and can crack easily, and not much force is needed. Ours broke while it dropped from just a couple of inches on a wooden pier. I thought it was no big deal. I will order a spare and repair it. The problem was that this piece was not available as a spare part, and ePropulsion suggested getting a new battery. In the end, we got lucky, and our local retailer had a defective battery and was willing to sell us the lower part of the housing.
When the motor is under the waterline the possibility of water ingress is greater. In many places it is considered rude behavior or poor etiquette to lift a dinghy motor up and leave it that way at a dinghy dock because with the people coming and going and crowding causes sharp props out of the water to slash and damage inflatable boats.
If you need to leave the motor under the water for hours each day if you spend a lot of time ashore then the possibility of the seals eventually failing increase as the years go by. That's why regular outboard motors are supposed to change their lower unit oil regularly. They can take a tiny bit of water getting in past the shaft seals. Fancy electric motors really can't.
The Torqeedo 1003 and 503 models were geared. They have been replaced by the 1103 and 603, both brushless direct drive. I never found the 1003 to be that noticeably loud except in videos. The 1103 is as quiet as the Spirit 1.0 line.
99.99% done? It has been a special era following the coming of Athena and I assume a whole lot of us feel a little bewildered when there are no more Sunday updates and how to do things properly. Mads, I hope you realize that your refit/remake/new-make have made a profund impact on the entire DIY boating community. A really really big thank you.
So now, at the commencement of a new era which hopefully will entail lots of actual sailing, I'm sure many of us will continue to travel with you and Ava on your exploratory passages across the seven seas. Good and safe luck to both of you.
Lovely to see your introduction of Ava as your wife. Need to get up to date from February busy at work
Ava is back! Great to see the team back together. Hope you can show some sailing video when you do pull out of Gosport. The gold leaf cove stripe to-do sticky must have fallen down off the to-do bulkhead, but don't worry, I will try not to forget to remind you how spiffy it will look. Have fun on your sail.
Bravo Zulu for wearing PFDs in the dinghy. Here in the states we have found that only about 1 in 100 cruisers ever wear them and will even make snotty remarks to those few of us who buck the trend and always wear them. "Not a good swimmer, huh?" Is one of many things folks have said. Whatever, we care not for peer pressure and religiously wear them in the dinghy and on deck.
Because of moisture after a rain in a dinghy, and theft concerns at the many weird places we tend to leave our dinghy for hours at a time as we explore towns and wildlands, we use cheap Type-III non-inflatable ski vest type PFDs in the dinghy that don't mind getting a soaking or being left out in the UV rays of the sun.
We have nice inflatable PFDs with an integrated harness for tethers when we are sailing and always-ALWAYS wear them whenever we leave the cockpit no matter the conditions unless we are at anchor or docked. If it gets bad or dark they go on and we even put on the tethers -especially when one of us is belowdecks sleeping.
Cute little E-outboard. It does make a lot of sense to have an electric outboard since you already are "All-In" on the heavily electric-powered boat systems including the all electrical galley. I am afraid that 3 knots is not going to cut it though in many areas with even a halfway strong current. We once got stuck in the marina at the dinghy dock when in New York City because we were unable to make it back to our mooring ball since the current was too strong to return to our boat. We had to wait hours for the tide to change and by that time it was pretty cold and dark. We hadn't prepared with warmer clothes or lights.
IMHO a dinghy needs to make closer than 5 knots minimum. Maybe if you row at the same time you could make that speed to beat the current.
*"Maybe if you row at the same time you could make that speed to beat the current."*
In an inflatable? Somehow I doubt it.
It has been so great watching these videos for the last 5 years. Ava, you are so sweet, kind, and patient. Mads, you have done an amazing job on this boat rebuild and I can't wait to see the videos of the coming year. Props to you both. Sail Life 4Ever!
Great, as always. Your videos are now Sunday tradition
Those new sails sure do look spiffy. Can't wait to see them in action.
See you're almost done with your crossing to Cherbourg (3-24-2022, 17:30 UTC). Beam reach the whole way... Nice! :) Looking forward to seeing some sailing video.
To give up a little speed to get rid of the noise ,smell and maintenance of a gas motor is a win . The only thing I'd invest in is the extra battery just in case you want to travel farther without the worry an stress of being able to get back to the boat. My wife and I wish you both all the happiness you can have in your marriage. We have been so lucky to be best friends and love each other unconditionally an we hope you can have the same .
God bless you both with a life of wonderful experiences.
Contacts or Lasik?
Love the contacts.
Not much can beat crispy new sails!
I like the fact that you are continuing your upgrades and making it just the way you want it.can’t wait to see your new sails full !!
Fair winds ⛵️
See you next week. How exciting!
Wow, while perhaps for you two it seems so long that you have not moved, we are shocked by how rapidly you two will be ready for being in the Med! I wished you could have gone to Bath and the canals of that area! We lived 18 k, east in Braford on Avon! A beautiful village with 80 % of its building being oridginal stone! I really like very much the massive info and the links! Thanks again for you show!!!
Will you be over drilling those holes and filling it with epoxy to waterproof the core?
Door handle on the head? YAY!!!!!!!!
Time for Ava to sew a cover for the new e-propulsion motor!
'Emma-Fay'- is a Trident Warrior 40', which was converted to a junk rigged Schooner. Sold in south England, 2018-2019.
Correct. How do you come to know that?
@@StormSignal I went to the Junk Rig Association web page and searched for a Warrior. There was no names but the ship name and the previous owners account had been closed. The previous owner had stated that he mostly sailed it along the east and south coasts of England and had converted it in 2012 or there about.
@@hrothbertco4987 Clever man. I have a whole file on her. She is now called Bertha. You a JR member?
@@StormSignal No I'm not. Unfortunately I haven't sailed in decades. And I just found that 'Bertha' is up for sale again. Correction was sold recently.
@@hrothbertco4987 Yup. At a very ambitious asking price.
Ahh my Sunday afternoon is now a great afternoon. Thanks guys.
Teased on the door knob! Can't wait!
LOVE your electric outboard! So quiet, so light! Awesome video! 💕💕💕
Thank's this video. I look forward to next week and stovefan installation and experiences of it.
Great video as always. We bought an eprop plus last year and it is fantastic. But I have a longish walk to our dinghy to get out to our sailboat and the combined battery and lg still weighs enough. Then I discovered a ‘Kicker’ from thrustme.no this has the same power, much less range but weighs only 4.5Kgs! It’s as easy to use and as powerful as the big one and the range is enough to go to shore and back (charges easy on a dc system). I haven’t got them but they say they have add-on batteries. I think if I had known about this first - I would have just had this and extra batteries. As it is I have both 😜. Happy Sailing!
I've been a service technician on these motors and most of the faults were user error. Thinking they could lift the whole engine out of the water with the handle or using the cable and connector like it was a steel pipe instead of a cable. The same people destroy their smartphone cables. Other than that, really sturdy!
Phone cables last hardly any time on a boat. Just too many things that grab and pinch them.
@@svbarryduckworth628
On the mains end of the cable.. I loop it back and use some electrical tape wrapped around (hope that makes sense) it takes the strain off the point where it goes into the hard plastic.
Also the mains sockets location is worth getting right.
As a commercial electrician and a full-time cruiser now for the past 5 years or so I have tried all the tricks. Phone charging cables are just very delicate and not up to the stresses of marine full-time use on a small boat.
Short of wrapping the cord up and stowing it EVERY time it is not being used it will eventually get pinched on something, be it the nav desk hinged lifting top, the bench seat hinged lifting top, something else tangling and pulling on it, lifting the berth cushions and yanking on them, or a million other things to tangle with a cord in a working boat.
The reality of a smart mobile device is that it needs to be charged often enough that it will spend as much time plugged in and charging as it does not plugged in. We have 12v lighter sockets all around the boat at all berths and workstations for Anker USB plugs. Cords are often dangling and don't.always get neatly hung up and out of the way. That is the reality of a working boat.
Once you're satisfied with the outboards performance, you can always reinforce the inside of the handle with fiberglass as a preventative measure. I'd slather that battery connector with dielectric grease, considering how likely it is that it will be splashed with salt water regularly in use... 😎
Kickin off my week with your QUIET electric outboard & am 99.9% ready too. Cheers.
Very interesting seeing the new electric outboard powering you both along in the dingy. But I've got to tell you that I almost choked on my coffee when Ava was making the bed and you told us you were going to "take Ava for a spin..."! But she clarified that for us immediately, LoL!! Love you guys.
Nothing like stealth mode in an anchorage returning to the boat when it’s way past seniors bed time. 😉👍 looks really nice…
You will want to pay attention to tides and currents with that out board. In the Pacific North West where I live you'll often find yourself moving several knots backward with the motor pinned forward. I suspect that you'll run into similar situations through out the world.
We have one, on the Piscataqua River and agree. We move closer to the shore and it is not much of an issue then other than slower travel. It works for us.
We once got stuck in New York City on the Hudson river at the 79th Street Marina dinghy dock and could not get back to our boat at the mooring ball because of the current. We had to wait hours for the tide to change until we could go back with our laundry, and by that time it was well after dark plus we had not prepared with any jackets or a light.
A dinghy needs to go about 5 knots for a cruising tender.
You can buy a shorter winch handle (~25 cm), OR buy an Anderson electric winch. Either would allow you to move the winch outboard.
Another great video Mads and Ava .
Furling mainsail + large arch with solar panels = switch on the engine when going windward. OK if engine is correctly noise insulated and if using tradewinds most of the time.
For the down wind preventer, make up a line for permanent rigging from the clew end of the boom to somewhere like the vang attachment point. You can then use that to attach a line forward and back to the cockpit as required without having to get to the end of the boom while at sea.
Where did Ava's glasses go??? 🤓
Sailing Solianis (sp) has used one of these for a while. The E outboard.
Keep the episodes coming, by far the best sailing channel. Keep up the great work.
I chose an 1103 Torqeedo as it was lighter, broke into three parts for easier stowage and with my usage the battery capacity less important. I also preferred the technology behind the battery build and I liked the fact it was made in Germany, not China.
Captain Rick on sailing sophisticated lady has 2 of them an some other gear that goes with everything else... It's so very quiet... An really easy to use...that spray hood is a beautiful edition to Athena as well as bringing the lines back so neatly as well as the continuous line...that's nice to have. Thanks for sharing your lives with us...Fare winds an following sea's guy's ✌🏼💗😊❣️
I love my e-Propulsion. I don’t miss my old outboard not starting and making a lot of noise. That Warrior 40 is interesting for sure. Hope,the sailmakers advised you about running them in to avoid things like a hooked leech etc. Look forward to seeing you with the guys from Cadoha. Andy UK
Super clean boat... you have done a fantastic job building her... going to be a great little home for you guys... 🤙
Good Job as always!...you have really fitted her out with so much... Cheer's!
Lots of love from Brisbane Australia. I was born very near Gosport. Hope to see you cruising if you come across the Pacific??
The new sails are both spiffy and gorgeous!!
best sailing channel imho. what will be especially interesting to follow will be how the very tricked out electrical do-hickeys fare and how Mads troubleshoots them.. those control boxes below the floor in the port aft section worry me..
Stay safe and we'll see you next week.
It's funny; no seriously, Matts, it takes a while to get your humour but boy is it subtle... and then there's Eva pops up to add a sparkle and the glint of an eye knowing the pair of you are gonna zoom in the UA-cam stakes, not just as a go-to, 'how-to' UA-cam site, but as a place where the weekend ends with a broad smile and the world a better place. Apologies for the chapter but I rarely comment and, oh! Too much wine. Happy sailing.
You're dropping the ball guys. I would have expected you to have your Sail Life logo on your main sail. You most likely could have gotten it as a free add on with your plug in the video.
I installed 8 new spinlock clutches a couple of years ago. I have everything lead aft to the cockpit now . They are so much better than the old jammers i replaced.
You may want to consider making a cover for the electric outboard. The display on my Torqueedo degraded rapidly with exposure to the sun.
He definitely need a custom cover, with BIG Sail Life logo on it (for both main sail and tender)
. I'm in awe every time I see the S/V Delos buddha flying.
Hi Mads, hi Eva 🤗
We're planning to buy those headsets that you call 'marriage savers'. My husband and I have been trying to find them on Amazon but can't seem to find them. What are they called exactly? Where did you buy them from please?
Thanks guys 😊
Ava on the berth. 13:20
Mads: Now its time to take Ava for a spin ...
Me: 🤔😱
Mads: ... in the dinghy
Me: 😏
LOL I wasn't prepared Gone With The Wynns loves to place insert those word games.
Hey, Great video as always.
I have a Torqeedo which is used to power my Moore24, 24' 2100 pound sailboat. Pushes us at hull speed no problem! I have the larger batterey and have yet to run it down. When I purchased my motor I was unaware of any other viable options on the market. So far it has been wonderful! Electric outboards are the only way to go! I just aquired an iflatable dinghy for our larger boat, so the Torqeedo will be pressed into service there too. Thanks for all your insight on the products you use. Very helpful!
Mitchell
sv Sonata San Francisco Bay, California
As always I’m chuffed to get my Sail Life weekly fix! Y’all are doing a fantastic job…keep up the good work!
It's a simple rigged electric robust engine. Would appreciate the cost of the unit.
So are you ready to put a Plexiglas-spray guard between the stove and the "Chart" table. I have highly recommended this since I saw your layout of the galley. All it takes is a accidental flip of a spatula for grease to damage something quite expensive. See you!
Agreed, although I would go with real glass…plexiglass can fade and discolor over time (and with hot grease smeared on it)
I have the same ePropulsion outboard and I bought the 12v/solar charger it’s faster that using the mains block.
Note - if the prop is out of the water it will only spin slowly when unloaded.
You are my favourite sailing couple. Thank you for another fantastic video :)
I know that you sorted the clutch, but on the point of ‘riveted items being permanently fixed in place’, I can suggest drilling the rivets out; starting with a small drill bit and getting bigger, effectively destroying the rivet. Then to replace the item just re-rivet.
8:16 For a second there i thought that boat said "Marie Antoinette". Can you imagine sailing on a boat named that? You'd have to hold it for a long time since it has no head.
So unusual to see Ava without thick glasses. I guess the trip to Hungary with sister was not all about seeing Budapest, but getting eyes lasered affordably. Even more adorable now.
Oh I like the no glasses look. 😊
Spiffy electric outboard! I drive an Electric EGolf superbly peaceful drive
Wonderful to see your lady without the binoculars on, sorry but she looks more gorgeous without them massive glasses, please keep the brilliant content going and keep safe 👍🏻
You could do with a power pack for emergency, back up & range for the dinghy.
Thanks
Safe travels!
Hello Mads. You have had this outboard a few months now, and I wondered if you could share updated thoughts on it? There are a few new players coming into this market, and hopefully improved new technology, so it is the usual tightrope of buy now, or wait for the new kit!
Junk rigs are so cool, I would love to know more about that boat
put a open top turning pulley behind the clutch then you could put the winch on the over side of the companionway if you had to
We have the Spirit+, it is awesome with no worries especially compared to the 2-stroke
Noticed your Viking life vests - i had similar ones years back. Serviced annually by Viking. On one occasion the manual inflation handle got stuck on the companion way door and the vest inflated immeadiately - and deflated. The air vent tube intended for manual inflation had a false valve. You might want to check yours.
We got inexpensive ski vest type PFDs to use in the dinghy -and we wear them there religiously even if the dinghy dock or beach is within sight.
Inflatable PFDs are too much of a theft magnet to leave in the dinghy when ashore and not something you want to get wet when it rains or leave out in the baking tropical sun.
We have come back to our dink to find the rain has nearly swamped it while we were out on a shore excursion. Everything inside was floating around. An automatic inflatable would have self-inflated while we were gone.
What's there not to like? Always fun and informative content so thanks! Seems like there are more and more junk rigged boats popping up such as Tapatya and SV Seeker.
Seeker isn't really a boat, it is merely a boat-shaped object. It does seem to be floating still -but then again so does a turd...
How is that bus automatic transmission going Doug :D :D :D
I know a little of the story behind the junk rig Warrior. She was for sale ~3yrs ago and we viewed her. She was built in 1996 and was conventionally rigged; the seller had had her converted to junk schooner. We were gutted not to buy her but for us, the price and condition did not match up.
Ava looks great without glasses, did she get Lasix surgery or contacts.
Nice video as always.
don't forget to put a piece of safety between the engine support and the transom, you never know with the swirls.... we have seen this before, losing an engine, it happened to my father when I was child...! all my best wishes to the newlyweds...!!
ne pas oublier de mettre un bout de sécurité entre le support du moteur et le tableau arrière, on ne sait jamais avec les remous.... on a déjà vu cela , perdre un moteur, cela est arrivé à mon père quand j'étais enfant...! tous mes voeux de Bonheur aux jeunes Mariés...!!
I think you might have a problem with the outboard motor. If you are going into the wind with the dingy you might not have enough power or range depending on the wind velocity.
Are we finally reaching the end of the door handle saga? I'm not sure how I feel about that.
maybe it will squeak or not fit properly. to be continued.
Dont jump to conclusions. We've seen no evidence that the door handles have been installed!
What's the problem with gaffa tape anyway?
It's like the drainage in the lower field.
Great videos, thanks.
I hope you left a note on the junk-rigged boat Love junk. The stove hood will be very interesting, It would be nice to suck out the grease while cooking, Looking forward to your time in France. Hope you still get to Ireland sometime :)
Here in St Martin, where we are currently anchored on the French side, the trip to the Dutch side of Saint Maarten is several miles each way. There is no way the electric outboard would be practical for actual cruising IMHO unless you want to spend half the day going in one direction. Saba is another example of the need for a powerful motor to move you a rather long distance through sometimes substantial waves. I’ll be curious to see how you feel about it once cruising full time.
Electric outboards are great for moving around the marina in calm conditions, but if your anchored a few miles out somewhere and the weather is not calm, it will be very underpowered.
Nothing to do with being electric. The same could be said about any tiny gas outboard with the same power. You can get electric outboards big enough to seriously scoot, but the bigger ones require stand alone batteries. Torqeedo and epropulsion both have options roughly equivalent to a 9 or 10 hp gas engine. Torqeedo has options up to around 80 hp equivalent.
It isn't really 3HP either. 747watts = 1HP and this outboard is 1000w.
It may accelerate like a 3hp but overall thrust at speed will be be barely over 1HP. Our 3HP 2-stroke.can push our dinghy nearly 5 knots and is fine in rough seas. Mads' "3hp" electric outboard can only do 3kt.
@@svbarryduckworth628 Yeah, I really wish that these companies would stop with these inflated "HP equivalent" numbers. It feels dishonest, and only gives fuel to the anti-ev crowd.
@@FlesHBoX it is true that an electric motor does have a different torque curve than a 2 or 4-stroke so they do pull up on plane easier and once there they don't need the same max thrust to maintain it. But it is getting ridiculous that they say a 1000w motor (at the motor shaft not the prop where modern gas outboards are measured for HP) is the equivalent of a 3HP gas outboard. In Mads' case that 1000w e drive is NEVER going to get anything but a tiny plastic kayak on plane, much less a RIB. In reality for getting to a top speed in displacement mode that 1000w e drive is really only 1.25HP -or less, if you include gear losses getting down to the prop. They are claiming more than double ehat it really is.
Found your channel about a month ago and have been watching all videos using "Project Athena" playlist. However, it only goes as far as Dec 2021. Is there another playlist which goes on from there in order? I want to watch every video from where I started.
Smaller Winch Handle a possibility?
Sophisticated lady have a regen outboard for their dingy...but they hang it off the boat while under sail to recharge the battery without going through any electrickery 😉 they also can use theirs as a back up motor for manouvring or if their main Diesel fails. ..its slow but will do it and their boats larger and heavier than yours. They tested it.
I believe they have a super-sized electric motor. Not the standard 3 hp.
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I cannot remember what the power is I know they have a very large battery and a solar panel on their dingy roof.
A Dutch company is launching a
15kw rim drive E outboard motor..
I hope the manufacturers have at least optimised their prop.for E power.. it makes a big difference in performance and efficiency.
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 Yes, props were an issue, the company sent him a couple of props to try out. Even as large(powerful) as that motor is, I still don't think it will plane the tender.
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The Sophisticated lady tender went fine..and with two adults would plane well enough but carrying four adults the bow loading causes too much drag. It still moves quickly enough and he optimises power consumption against loads and range.
It was Madds 3 hp equivalent i was concerned about...
I cannot remember what Cahodas is. For 2 adults on tidal waters i would think 5-8 hp equiv would be more likely.
Surprised you didnt drill/fill/drill the deck. I also think you may find the new outboard too small in the wind.waves of an open bay.
Madds were you concerned about powering your dingy against the current?
Nice I was looking at the electric outboards 🍻🍻😎
Ohhhh! If Ava had the eye surgery. Please share as I need it too.
Super spiffy progress.😀👍⛵️
It would be very interesting to see an unbiased comparison review of both ePropulsion and Torqeedo equivalent models. Looking at the published specifications, they are similar. I think it is good that the two companies have each other as competitors. We customers will benefit.
I have always been interested in electric motors in vehicles and boats. I started experimenting with a Minn Kota Endura 50 on my O'Day 19. It was reasonable but had only 3 knots top speed.
I have been using a Torqeedo Cruise 2.0 on my Capri 22 since 2011. I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 in September 2017 when I had a lead acid battery problem yet still had some sailing/racing events left for the year. I switched to lithium for the next season.
I found that the selection criteria and speed/distance stats that Torqeedo publishes have been very accurate. The Cruise 2.0 drove the 2250 lbs Capri to hull speed (6 knots) and comfortably handled the 20 knot+ headwinds. The Travel 1003 easily drove the Capri to 5 knots. The Travel is now relegated to the O'Day 19 and an inflatable dinghy.
Both my wife and I enjoy the quiet when motoring with an electric drive. Two seasons ago we purchased a Catalina 310. It has a diesel. I wonder how long it will be until she will long for the quiet of an electric motor in the 310.
Interesting video good as always. I'm stuck now on these electric outboards they let the marketing people run wild. Kilowatt conversion to horsepower is simple 1kw is 1.34hp that simple. Torqeedo with their Ultralight 1103 AC is .540kw converts to .72 hp. I'm sure it will do just fine for you dingy hopefully if you get some water current doesn't cause problems, will just have to test her out :D. Sorry just had to rant a little about those deceptive companies haha
Yeah. I am curious how they can say 1 kW and 3 HP for the same motor. It just doesn't make sense.
Is there a particular reason that the spray hood terminates forward of the helm? Seems like the North Atlantic in December would be less daunting if the helmsman was out of the weather.
Sailing Cahodia have a electric outboard but pretty sure theirs is a larger power unit.
Sails look great. Might need something like a custom piece of rubber for where your lines lead through. I could see some splashing with a port sea
Love your videos!