Lab Naming Controversy - WAN Show August 26, 2022
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Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119)
0:00 Chapters
1:22 NEW Intro
1:48 Topic #1 - LAB32's backstory & name conflict
3:06 Linus's conversation with Sara from LAB22
6:12 LAB32's drafted branding
8:52 Gary's update for lab tests
9:24 Topic #2 - Luke's experience with TELUS
11:28 Luke's TV, spam marketing calls
15:42 Internet cut-outs stories
18:04 Deals, costs, do not call list
23:52 Reminders to call, old plans
25:03 Topic #3 - VESA's DisplayHDR & ClearMR
29:24 Explaining ClearMR tiers
31:28 Samsung's & LG's statements, Twitter uncertainty
35:24 Testing methodology, Linus's thoughts, scoring
40:03 Discussing games, FF VI's 1/6th scale statue
43:54 LTT screwdriver process, shipped to Project Farm
48:54 Screwdriver pop-up shop stream
49:48 Lab update, tests, systems
55:18 Responses to PSU tester video
1:01:22 LTTStore discount
1:02:40 Topic #4 - Linus in the Steam Deck Booklet
1:05:26 Discussing the point of the booklet & its content
1:11:15 Sponsor - Wealthfront
1:12:14 Sponsor - Backblaze
1:13:12 Sponsor - TEAMGROUP
1:13:42 Luke on merch messages as "ads"
1:15:54 Twitch controversy
1:17:09 Most embarrassing childhood phase
1:20:20 Linus's high-school, climbing events, grandparents
1:28:06 Linus fights Dennis on CSF
1:31:30 LMG Clips comments, Linus's funds in videos
1:37:25 Topic #5 - Starlink V2 connects to cellphones
1:42:36 Luke birds update
1:46:48 Discussing canary usage in coal mine
1:48:39 Canary resuscitator
1:49:58 Merch Messages #1
1:50:03 Lab accreditation, gaming SSD, CAT# tests
1:54:08 Most memorable tech experience from Japan
1:57:18 Starlink latency viability in Australia
1:58:52 Why manual LTT screwdriver over electric
2:00:36 Hiding unannounced LTT products, Linus on pop-up shop
2:07:34 Strawpoll: screwdriver pop-up stream date
2:11:46 Strawpoll result
2:15:12 Screwdriver warranty description, pre-orders limits
2:19:11 Lack of warranty on bits, price for packs
2:22:46 Topic #6 - Clearing up last WAN's Apple story
2:26:44 Luke on Apple asking once to track overall apps
2:31:33 LMG hiring employees
2:32:12 Topic #7 - Twitch accused of divided judgment
2:34:16 Topic #8 - Apple extends self-service program
2:37:02 Topic #9 - Gaming hardware prices are WAY up
2:38:28 Playstation increases prices by up to 20%
2:39:43 Sony sued for overpricing games
2:42:58 Merch Messages #2
2:43:11 Handling getting interrupted by a workflow
2:44:06 Tech that we consider life-changing
2:46:03 Was LTT approached by YT for an original series?
2:47:11 What we should know about Linus & Luke
2:50:24 Linus on cloud data
2:51:34 Was Linus a NASCAR fan?
2:52:09 Outro - Наука та технологія
Wait did Linus say he doesn't consider me a friend 😤 I take back everything..
Gotta get past just business friends, time for a collab. 🙌
Linus just cannot catch a break eh XD
It hurt when you considered someone as a FRIEND but they dont… i feel that
Startin up them memes huh 😏😏
No no you've got it all wrong!! I just didn't want to assume our friendahip status ahahaha
We good, we good 😊 - LS
Glad the birds are doing better now; patience is rewarding once you see them become more active.
-Timestamps-
[0:00] *Chapters.*
[1:22] *NEW Intro.*
[1:48] *Topic #1: LAB32's backstory & name conflict.*
> 3:06 Linus's conversation with Sara from LAB22.
> 6:12 LAB32's drafted branding.
> 8:52 Gary's update for lab tests.
[9:24] *Topic #2: Luke's experience with TELUS.*
> 11:28 Luke's TV, spam marketing calls.
> 15:42 Internet cut-outs stories.
> 18:04 Deals, costs, do not call list.
> 23:52 Reminders to call, old plans.
[25:03] *Topic #3: VESA's DisplayHDR & ClearMR.*
> 29:24 Explaining ClearMR tiers.
> 31:28 Samsung's & LG's statements, Twitter uncertainty.
> 35:24 Testing methodology, Linus's thoughts, scoring.
> 40:03 Discussing games, FF VI's 1/6th scale statue.
[43:54] *LTT screwdriver process, shipped to Project Farm.*
> 48:54 Screwdriver pop-up shop stream.
[49:48] *Lab update, tests, systems.*
> 55:18 Responses to PSU tester video.
[1:01:22] *LTTStore discount.*
[1:02:40] *Topic #4: Linus in the Steam Deck Booklet.*
> 1:05:26 Discussing the point of the booklet & its content.
[1:11:15] *Sponsors.*
> 1:11:25 Wealthfront risk-tolerance investment.
> 1:12:14 Backblaze cloud backup & data restoration.
> 1:13:12 TEAMGROUP's DELTA RGB DDR5 giveaway.
[1:13:42] *Mini-Topics.*
> 1:13:48 Luke on merch messages as "ads".
> 1:15:54 Twitch controversy.
> 1:17:09 Most embarrassing childhood phase.
> 1:20:20 Linus's high-school, climbing events, grandparents.
> 1:28:06 Linus fights Dennis on CSF.
> 1:31:30 LMG Clips comments, Linus's funds in videos.
[1:37:25] *Topic #5: Starlink V2 connects to cellphones.*
[1:42:36] *Luke birds update.*
> 1:46:48 Discussing canary usage in coal mine.
> 1:48:39 Canary resuscitator.
[1:49:58] *Merch Messages #1.*
> 1:50:03 Lab accreditation, gaming SSD, CAT# tests.
> 1:54:08 Most memorable tech experience from Japan.
> 1:57:18 Starlink latency viability in Australia.
> 1:58:52 Why manual LTT screwdriver over electric.
> 2:00:36 Hiding unannounced LTT products, Linus on pop-up shop.
> 2:07:34 Strawpoll: screwdriver pop-up stream date.
> 2:11:46 Strawpoll result.
> 2:15:12 Screwdriver warranty description, pre-orders limits.
> 2:19:11 Lack of warranty on bits, price for packs.
[2:22:46] *Topic #6: Clearing up last WAN's Apple story.*
> 2:26:44 Luke on Apple asking _once_ to track over all apps.
[2:31:33] *LMG hiring employees.*
[2:32:12] *Topic #7: Twitch accused of divided judgment.*
[2:34:16] *Topic #8: Apple extends self-service program.*
[2:37:02] *Topic #9: Gaming hardware prices are WAY up.*
> 2:38:28 Playstation increases prices by up to 20%.
> 2:39:43 Sony sued for overpricing games.
[2:42:58] *Merch Messages #2.*
> 2:43:11 Handling getting interrupted by a workflow.
> 2:44:06 Tech that are considered life-changing.
> 2:46:03 Was LTT approached by YT for an original series?
> 2:47:11 What we should know about Linus & Luke.
> 2:50:24 Linus on cloud data.
> 2:51:34 Was Linus a NASCAR fan?
[2:52:09] *Outro.*
So... no.. were not going to talk about it.
Woah
That's sweet.
@@HeiligerGrimmnir They may in fact make a video over WAN, who knows
this guy need more likes and the message to be pinned
Regarding the floor damage: Many moons ago I bought a fixer-upper house for $27 and a taco. In one area the hardwood floor was badly scratched by a previous occupant's horse-sized dog. I asked my flooring contractor for a quote to replace it. She laid out a bunch of reasons why it would be difficult and unusually expensive to fix, strongly intimating that she did not want the job. She concluded by strongly recommending that instead I deploy an R.U.G. system. I asked what that was and who sells it. She said it's a rug. Put down a rug and it'll look great.
She was absolutely right.
rugs are for the poors
A basic solution but rugs get pretty dirty and are hard to clean
@@bassdrop001 Umm vacuum? An area rug isn't difficult to clean.
@@aussiebloke609 don't you mop your floors after vacuuming?
@@bassdrop001 Not my rugs. I'll slip the mop under the edge of the rug as I go along, but if the rug was laid with an underlay pad, dirt really shouldn't be getting onto the hard floor surface underneath anyway.
"Team Fortress was originally a Half-Life mod"
TF was originally a mod for the original Quake, then later QuakeWorld. The team behind it (TF Software Pty. Ltd.) was even working on a standalone game that would have been called "Team Fortress 2", when they were hired by Valve to develop it as a mod for Half-Life. That came out in 1999. In 2000, with the Half-Life 1.1 update, Team Fortress 1.5 was released as a standalone product (first time it wasn't just a mod). Then in 2007 they came out with TF2. The GoldSrc engine version is known as Team Fortress Classic these days, I'm not sure when that naming convention started. Maybe around the time TF2 came out?
Team fortress classic was around in the early 2000's way before even the idea of valve TF2 which is based on the HL2 engine. I'm not sure if the original Team Fortress was developed on the HL1 engine or another gaming engine but the Team Fortress classic game certainly appeared to run on the HL1 engine, as did the original CS, I also remember the proposal of the TF2 before valve got ahold of it, the design appeared to be based more on a CS model than the classic model that was already released, I remember this very clearly as I was hugely disappointed, I do remember when TF2 was released in the early days that I was disappointed with some of the changes made to the gameplay like the removal of grenades from all characters and the zoom to charge sniper rifle rather than hold click to charge. I also prefered CSS based on the HL2 engine rather than CSGO and even with CSGO the early release was way better than the current iteration, although it's still payable.
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I used to donate blood. I got diagnosed with anemia, can’t donate anymore. Blood bank was on my ass like I owed them blood. It was crazy.. I told them I can never donate blood. I might have to take blood from you before I can donate blood again. It took 6-10 calls before I got on a do not call list. And they still called me a year later to check if I could donate.
I donate whenever the school I work at does a blood drive. Now I get calls weekly and all it does is make me not want to donate blood any more even though I'm a universal donor.
over here wher ei am blood donor if you ever recieved donorblod you can not donate blood
Damn, consistent like Mosquitos in a forest near a lake in mid June evening 😆🤣
@@ArniesTech I was thinking more like vampires with some sort of drinking blood in a bag fetish, but pretty much.
@@rubenjanssen1672 There are quite a few restrictions with who can donate blood where I live, including a lengthy questionnaire where they ask about diseases, getting punctured with used needles, any sex act with a partner that has the potential to have an std, etc.
Never really paid much attention to the screen when this show is on, but after the GN video, it’s quite fun to just watch Luke’s face.
Timestamp for context?
I don't normally watch a lot of long form content, just listen, but Luke's face reacting to Linus has always been great.
Did I miss it? I don't see where Linus responded
It was somewhat unfair. like they can read his mind.
@@mickey-777 his words are clear enough, the facial expressions are just icing
Tip for those late night emails, especially for bosses emailing their staff: use timed send!
Delay it until 8am the next morning, so there's no implied pressure to respond immediately.
I have a works phone and laptop that outside of work hours are turned off. Do people have works emails on personal devices?
@@kelvin1316 often, unfortunately
@@Novashadow115 sod that, I'd rather go to a dumb phone then have work stuff on my personal device. Its so important to have those clear boundries between work and personal for peoples mental health, as I found out unfortunately.
Or do what I do. Fuck it, I'm not on the job 🤌
Annoyingly whatsapp doesn't have this. And I don't even want it for work, I just remember a ton of shit I want to ask or tell people at night...
GPS was last big life changing piece of tech. The integration of GPS with public transportation in the form of trackers was life changing. Who wants to wait outside in the cold for a bus that might never come. Bus tracking was a total game changer for public transportation.
I'm going to have to agree with this. I was probably the last gen that had to use paper maps for navigation (and a compass came handy) and it was genuinely awful. Having to go into stores or knock on people's houses to find things that your map didn't list was always a pain. Yeah Garmin's were around but they were hilariously expensive.
Bus tracking (that sometimes not even remotely actually includes tracking and is pretty often just a wild guess) is seriously what you use as an example for the huge changes thanks to GPS? What? 😅
How about being able to navigate from anywhere to everywhere with a tiny screen in your pocket? You can never get lost and find the best pizza place within 500 meters.
Bus tracking....
@@stefan514 tell me you're an American workout telling me you're American.
That sounds awesome where I live in australia we still stand in the cold til a bus feels like turning up
@@seyris I'm even in America and we have bus tracking... I can watch the icon get closer on my phone, then look up as the bus is arriving and it's exactly where it said it was. No idea what stefan is talking about, sure doesn't seem like a "wild guess" to me 🙄
I'm pretty sure having Dennis do chores will result in more damage than it's worth xD.
It's funny, the car thing where the wife asks the questions and the dealer just talks to the guy instead. Happened to a friend of mine who knows and cares nothing for cars, with the wife being far more knowledgeable about it. Every time they'd reply to him or tell only him about this and that thing and it wound up biting the dealer in the ass because the guy would just be indifferent and they wound up getting a much better deal because the dealer was worried about losing the sale.
Same happened with my wife, it wasn't cars though, I forget what it was.
I'm less than blunt.
"Stop talking to me, my wife is the one talking to you, reply to her face or we're talking out the door"
Don't have time for that shit.
It's funny where stuff like this happens. A co-worker complained about a doctor/nurse/midwife at the local OB clinic doing exactly the opposite when they were having their youngest child: he'd ask a question, and the person would direct all answers to his wife as though he didn't even exist.
Luke is such a good bird dad, doing what he's gotta do to keep the little ones healthy.
Regarding the lab: nothing gives me more tech anxiety than reading a review of a product covered over 6 months ago, or has had a slight nomenclature change. Hopefully the lab will run tests more frequently and with a way of adding in minor changes (even with batch differences where a component change was made and the manufacturer does not make widely known - like to help their supply chain issues). Looking forwards to this new channel(s).
Oh ffs, brings back a story from the early 2000 where some network card had a revision made to one of their ICs, but kept the *exact same* name for it. So you wonder why your driver for it suddenly goofs up with a new card you just bought, you carefully compare every single chip on both cards, so only after sleeping over the issue for a week or so you even start to consider that being a possibility. Like "nobody would ever change a chip and not even add an -A suffix to the type name, right?"
@@chunye215 Check GN's PSU testing; particularly the exploding Gigabyte PSUs. There's _three_ different component vendors with the same model #. I also experienced this! The model of RAM I own and currently use is not QVL for my motherboard. I didn't know because my revision had Samsung memory. Then I RMA'd the modules. I got back Micron and Hynix versions (the first shipment was crushed) and neither worked even at stock settings. Others in the same model # range _are_ QVL which made it even more confusing.
I'm aware that's technically not the same thing as an IC revision but the problems it creates are similar.
If you want to keep the lab branding. Use words - Lab Thirty Two.
You can even work in the LTT Fonts to further tie it together with the rest of LMG while still moving away from "Linus" and it further differentiates things from Lab22
Or make it Lab 64
Just pay lab22 amount x to rebrand. It's a completely new brand. No one will care and she can easily change it. Lab32 and the hidden LTT brand is much more valuable for LMG.
@@stephm0 LTT initials do not work with 64
There is already Lab Thirty Two. It's a UK based mobile app firm.
is the mobile app firm in Canada though? if not then that wouldn't matter as much.
One major issue is that most ISPs in the US don't even advertise their "normal" rates. The only info you can find is what the current promos are.
Search for your ISPs "Rate Card" . ISPs by law are required to have this data available.
@@JK-qd6kh ^ this. You can find it buried in their website somewhere (searching for it is easiest). It is also available at their retail store upon request in the form of a brochure (if they have a retail store in your area). That'll show the full cost of all plans available.
Atleast it's buried deep for you, in the UK we have no idea what a "base price" is for services, we only ever get new customer prices and a random price which you haggle at end of contract.
Completely false.
@@thejdemon No yeah the info is also available in the UK, it's legally required.
Can I say, I appreciate the wan show not having ads, beyond the 30 second-1min sponsors section. Thank you for doing this, and thank god it works for you financially.
I work on business jets for a living and i usually use Snap-On tools. I am very excited to preorder one of the black/orange screwdrivers as soon as I’m able. One of the other things i really like about the screwdriver happens to be the style of bits it will come with. Aircraft have lots of small areas to work in and as you could imagine lots of space constrained screws. I have several “standard” bits that ive had to cut to fit into such areas. The small form factor bits are a big plus for me and that price point for the bit kits is more than fair especially when some bits that grace my tool box are 8.99 each.
What Luke is dealing with is why I NEVER take any free temporary offer with any company that already has my billing info. That and most of the time whatever they are offering I couldn't give an F about and even if was something I thought I might use it was never enough for the hassle of me having to worry about setting a reminder and calling customer service.
I thought what Luke was dealing with was a personal dilemma due to the gap in business ethics between him and his boss.
Here in chile, the trick is to call the company once a year, year and a half and tell them your terminating the contract. They will offer you everything at ridiculous low prices (for home isp).
For mobile services since number portability we just change companies every year, process is simple af.
doesnt help that ISPs are held down by like 3 or 4 companies, and the other 10 that are avilaible are just part of the other big companies. you get laughed at when you tell them your switching to X provider because your probably still giving the same company your money,
@@joshuabruno It's not even an ethics thing. It's a tone thing.
with gas and electricity I always took the discounted prices for new customers, and changend the providers once a year.
It takes me half an hour, and I save about 500€.
Right now it doesn't work anymore, because prices are skyrocketing, so staying is much cheaper.
2:25:00 Actually my parents have a Vizio "smart tv" that recently pushed an update that broke HDMI functionality for their satellite receiver. They have to unplug and plug the HDMI cable in every single boot. So given this I would heavily agree and would rather just have a little stick to plug into the TV that handles smart functionality if you want it. They actually watch netflix so not having it connected wasn't an option and it updated on its own.
One thought on the electric versus manual screwdriver, it's not always about speed. Sometimes it's about physical capability. I have terrible arthritis in my hands but still like building PCs and working on cars, so anything that allows me to do the least manual twisting and turning is a godsend.
On the other topic about people criticizing you ("How much of my money did you spend on this???" or "Don't have video editors move your furniture if you don't want damaged floors"), I've lately noticed that there are a group of people out there who really want nothing more than to try to tear you down. Whether they think of it as sport, or they have a grudge against you, or have no life, or are jealous of the success you've had, I have no idea. I've seen plenty of people out there who immediately assume the worst (or flat out fabricate the worst) when it comes to your actions and motivations. No doubt it probably sucks to read those kinds of comments about yourself, but I do think that the more you address their faux "concerns" the more energized they become.
I'm fine with paying premium prices for premium products and I trust that Linus will deliver the best possible product he can develop. Just look at any of the videos featuring Linus and house/wall paint, the man is a perfectionist.
The screwdriver launched while I was typing this comment, I've already ordered two
The bird story made me remember our birds as kids. We had these awesome budgies that were so nice and happy and would fly around our place and sit on our shoulders. One day we realised they were getting out by lifting the cage door, so tied them down with those plastic/wire twines. Needless to say they started eating the twine to remove it and the plastic killed them. Was so sad. The only bird that survived was lucky our Cockatiel.
Luke, I lost two parrots (one of which I'd had about 20 years) to "smoke inhalation" a few years back. They both went within minutes of each other on the same day.
It was the oven, more specifically damaged Teflon (non stick stuff). I would double check you don't have any Teflon products used anywhere near birds. Even just burning-in a new oven/grill will mess them up.
Also, anecdotally, my parents smoked indoors for years and it never had any affect on them, which makes me doubt it would be people outside the apartment smoking that would hurt them. It could be, of course, but be wary of other things is what I'm trying to say.
Hopefully your birds recover!
Haven't had Teflon or non stick for years
@@LukeLafreniere Ah well that at least rules that out!
When Luke is talking about "Continental U.S." 1:39:10 it actually refers to the "Contiguous U.S." meaning all states that can be driven to without entering foreign territory. Someone else can correct me if I'm mistaken.
Ohhhhhhh
I made this mistake a few months ago myself - you never hear fucking contiguous in everyday parlance, so of course we all forget it’s a damn word.
"Continent" is most commonly used for referring to "the continents" (North/South America, Africa, etc.) but the term derives from the Latin _terra continens_ - "continuous land".
Referring to the _contiguous_ ("touching/sharing a common border") states as the "continental US" is technically correct but ambiguous given the more common use of the term and the fact that these states are still on the same geological continent as the "non-continental" Alaska.
@@Insan1tyW0lf yo, pour -one- two out for my non-contiguous states.
My ISP in Mexico updates it's plans automatically. So when they update the plan everyone gets more MBs. I went from 200mbs to 400mbs to 1gigabit automatically over the years. That's how it's supposed to be done.
Either that or a price reduction or both, but yes, I totally agree with you.
I agree
I love the length of the shows, merch messages included. It's fun to get little takes and nuggets of wisdom that arise from MM questions.
I know Luke's pain. This exact same thing happened to me in the UK and the rep tried to gaslight me. I'd been with BT for something like 7 years and every 18 months to 2 year. The guy was like "we haven't done that in years" ... Yeah 2. The exact length of my contract. Refused to accept that it was pretty negative to just stop doing it but also wouldn't move on to tell me what they could do now.
It's a big business problem. I'm fighting with a utility right now about sevices i tried to cancel and whenever I ask why it wasn't canceled when I emailed my rep multiple times, they just ignore the question and bring up something else. Other reps at other businesses do the same practice. They will hide behind the defense of "I didn't know" even if you explicitly tell them.
I worked in low voltage/security for years; it's really cool that you're offering security sets for people like us that use them on a daily basis.
Love the longer WAN Shows!! Even if some topics not tech related it's still a nice insight into different things
That was an awesome response from Sarah! I do hope you guys can/will keep the Lab32 branding because it's just such a cool name imo, with the Chrono trigger reference, the logo looks SICK, and that you can turn LTT into Lab32 instead of Linus Tech Tips. But whatever you decide to go with, I'm sure it's gonna be awesome regardless. Also, those Lab22 tech stands look dope! I might need to pick one of those up!
Just got a 50% reduction in my ISP bill due to the conversation about Telus.
Bahahaha - GOOD
I'm the admin for one of my places of work, we had Telus Security. I reached out to them for an upgrade to my services after realizing my employer had made no changes to security for a decade... Would've been better equipment and service for a better price too. They said the sales team would call me... Long story short, 2 months later and me following up 3 times, I cancelled my service with them and have a new provider now. They called me the day my service changed hands to see how they could help me upgrade.
Telus isn't interested in changing plans, even at your request, if they currently make more money for less service on you.
that "forever is a kind of slow" cought me off guard and sent me to the floor laughing xD
Almost 3 hours to find out Linus farts bad and Luke sneezes loud. Time well spent.
Life well lived.
You missed the pre-show where Linus farted and Luke had to leave the studio.
The whole house upgrade series is way way way more of a money flex, than buying tools for the company, that directly benefit us as consumers of this media.. Sooo yeah flex away in that direction PLEASE 😁
Looking forward to the Lab 27 collab between both teams :)
To comment on the length of the shows, I personally absolutely noticed the difference. I started watching the WAN show during the pandemic and they were always between 45-1:15 long, but once you moved back to the studio they've almost all been 2+ hours, its awesome because I love watching the show and longer show means more content!
I like the merch messages because they often prompt a lot of good discussion segments, and theyre just a good way to have some level of direct interaction with the audience.
I relate to Lukes ISP story, but for me I had to call and cancel. Their "canceling" department" is actally internally called the "Win back dept", because their job is to win back their customers. Had a standing reminder on my phone to cancel every year, and every year I did and get either the same deal or a better deal. Sadly my housing cooperative decided to make a deal with them for all of us and now I'm paying slightly less for half the speed =(
Worked as customer support at an isp, but I might be an exception. My mentality was to do whatever possible for the customer, since I realised that the isp only cared if the customer stayed in some way. So they want to cancel out tv and stuff, I would process it within 2 min. Cancelation of a contract due to a move, no problem, 5 min and we done. Literally all the higher ups knew me and let me do my thing. Lead to an average nps of about 80 (which is insanely high in customer support)
Yess ..worked at a company where it is called the "retention" department, people would call just to say end my connection and we would have to do to every thing possible to make sure they do not leave.
The more people that stay the more our incentive was ☹️
Your floor sounds like a job for the Dremel to me, I'm pretty sure you could do it yourself.
You could even use a circular saw, set the depth stopper to -.5mm of the board thickness, use masking tape to protect the surface of the laid boards, and cut just in from the edge. Once the center is out you should be able to un-latch what's left and yeet it out leaving a perfect edge. You will need to cut the tongue sides of the tongue-and-groove off of the fitting board carefully mind...a lot of that composite/ply splinters further in than you'd think.
i love putting your guys' stream on my third monitor while i work on code xD it makes for good background noise!
I could get used to these 3 hour shows. Keep them coming.
The malicious compliance by the telis service I'm dying 😂
"Oh, you want phonecalls, i'l give you phonecalls..."
As for the lab, once you own this kind of equipment and have a knowledgeable team of engineers and testers, you could also offer services to manufacturers or even local certifications as a part of the ROI if you are willing to jump through these hoops
"you could also offer services to manufacturers" they have discussed this as an option, they want to avoid conflict of interests
When they were talking about Starlink V2 and Luke said "penetration", Linus did that eyebrow thing at the exact same yime as myself and I lost it. xD
I think, in regards to the new clarity rating system, they should give two scores. One being a score with no special features turned on and then one with everything the display can do to improve the clarity turned on. A standard score and an optimized score.
@Michael Coelho My point is that there would be two scores and it should be obvious in the naming as to which score is with and without special features. If a manufacturer chooses to leave out the lesser score then as a consumer, you should be suspicious of that omission. If only the barebones score is listed, you have no idea just how good your viewing experience could be with that product, only that it can't be worse than a certain point. I don't care about the bare minimum that a TV can achieve, only the best. However, if the barebones score is extremely low, it would indicate that the optimized score could be misleading. Neither one by itself is great, but both scores together could be a quick indicator for good and bad displays for your use case. The rating graphic should probably be made to where it would look stupid to not have both scores displayed.
Good morning from Denmark everyone. Another Saturday, another cup of delicious coffee and another Wan show awaiting.
Have a great day!
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Project farm LTT driver review coming soon! I believe he’s currently the most trusted tool reviewer on UA-cam. Really looking forward to it. I’m hoping he like usual tests it against other big brands in the game, to verify that it actually is the best. If it survives testing and works just like advertised, I’m getting one.
He can however only test certain things. A 90$ tool should be fine after 10 years under normal conditions. Getting wet sometimes, drying again, encountering different types of dust or other particles and fluids. You could do sped up aging tests but I doubt he can do that. That's one reason why experience is something that is really valuable. You know how other brands and their materials age. You have no idea how the ltt one will behave in 1 year, let alone 3 or 5.
@@stefan514 Equally this kind of attitude (which is totally justified and understandable) leads to situations where it impossible for new players to enter the market unless they have a looooot of money behind them, where they can literally make 0 profit on a product for years to establish themselves as a reliable brand.
Sort of a weird screwdriver based technology lock in.
Although I don't think a new screwdriver is going to change the landscape of the world quiet yet
This is a merch item for people with disposable income, maybe in a few years it will be a more sensible purchase
Yes. I have made multiple purchases off of what PF reccomends, and I have to say he has yet to let me down.
@@stefan514 That would apply to every single new screw driver released now. Even from big brands. Just because their previous lasted 10 years doesn’t mean their new one will, and nobody is going to wait years to see if a screwdriver lasts, that’s stupid.
There is no way to know how long it’ll last in 5 years unless you have a time machine.
It doesn't matter how good the driver is, it's being sold to people who have no need for a $90 screwdriver.
You're saying you'll buy it if it gets good reviews, so you're in the market for a high end driver or just because it's LTT?
Fanboys are being taken advantage of. It's the shiny holographic charzard of screwdrivers.
Remember Apple/nvidia/Intel/AMD or any other Corp are not your friends, And that comes from the mouth of Linus.
This is no longer merch to help support your favourite UA-cam. You have to compare this to products in the same quality/price range actually be in the market for a high end tool.
A UA-camr merch screwdriver would just be a cheap rebranded one.
The Ethernet testing is very appreciated. I work in pro audio and live event production and many adapters don’t meet CAT specifications the way you’d expect them to.
54:20 - Looking forward to the mouse tester! Sick of crap switches that fail by doubleclicking or not clicking at all. :/
On the Vesa Certification, one thing they can do is once they have a full suite of ratings for the Different aspects you look at for a TV, so like HDR, Clarity, Responsiveness, etc. then what you do is put the device in the Default (Manufacturer recommended) settings and that is what ALL the ratings are determined by instead of letting them optimize for HDR at the expense of something else and get a Peak HDR rating.
Better still vesa puts out a setup standard so you can automate testing over all screens then you can test over the whole range automatically.
If your using high speed cameras and the settings can be applied quickly you could test every senario of config including controling the panel at a low level in a few minutes.
And then we can all mess about with customising our own settings or build our own external controllers like driving it / set settings from the driving device.
We can dreams.
An alternative. although it would be way more intensive, would be to not only test on factory settings, but also while optimized for different tests and listing the benefits and downsides of each different optimization. That way people can pick what's best for their specific wants and needs.
I can definitely insert the company Xfinity into that equation. The difference is they've NEVER called me to upgrade my service. Instead they do the tried and true tactic of treating their existing customers like shit by slowly raising the bill every few months while keeping internet speed the same.
I just can't stop seeing Linus's shirt as a Renault shirt.
Usually the term "contiguous" is used to mean the connected 48 states of the US. I don't think I've ever seen the term continental used to mean the 48 states.
I've heard Contiguous, Continental, and lower 48. Alaska isn't part the "continental" US as nothing to do with attachment to the North American continent and the fact that it is not connected directly to the main bulk of the US and is considered remote.
I still have a hard time believing any statement that begins with “Valve will”. Not because I don’t believe they mean it, but because no matter how badly they want to release something, there’s pretty strong precedence for such plans being overruled by some new, exciting project that also will probably never see the light of day (unless it gets picked back up and restarted so many times it eventually sees completion 10-15 years down the line).
Labs should be called "Lab Tec 10", would work with both "LTT" and "LTX"
Labtec was a manufacturer of computer accessories though. I believe it was bought up by Logitech, so they likely still hold that trademark.
@@FiXato didn't know that, thanks 👍Oh well 🤷
With the screwdriver back order release timing, initially I had the same thought Luke expressed, that if people want to wait a few days they can just wait, but then it occurred to me that for people who want to wait until people have a chance to bring it home and test it might be influenced to buy sooner to not miss the first wave of deliveries, so it might be more fair to them to let them get in sooner (even if the expectation of when wave 1 will sell out isn’t that soon, at least it helps remove the perception that they might miss out from waiting).
Hardwood-floor: a note of caution is when cutting out parts of the floor you can fix issues (be them cosmetic or level or what not) you CAN have a severe degradation of the floors structure. Since the new / added parts are just glued instead of actually fit into place which what ever mechanisms the food structure uses.
Would you consider doing a package including the screwdriver and one of each bit set for around the $120 CAD mark
Some ISP came in and tore up my neighborhood laying fiber a few years ago and they ended up being awesome. I have gigabit at a cheap rate and it’s locked to that price for life. Now maybe in 10 years I’ll need to move up to a faster speed but for now gigabit is still way faster than I need and I won’t have to worry about my bill going up or negotiating anything until I need a faster speed way down the road.
at 25:05 I thought it was a total transition to a sponsor shoutout... LOL
In the UK... ISP Virgin Media wont even allow existing customers to view the web pages of offers that they offer to new customers instead diverting your browser to pages that they want to offer you at effectively full price for TV, Phone and Broadband. I had to use my mobile wifi cloud as a router to be able to view the new customer pages.
I honestly like your guy's thumbnails and titles. They are catchy and witty most of the time, and definitely catch my eye and get me interested in what the video is about. It also helps that you guys don't do blatant click bait imo, where the title says something that isn't in the video at all. That type of click bait is really annoying, but In my opinion, I think LTT does a good job of walking that line of creating an interesting thumbnail and title, while keeping the content true to what the title says.
52:25 - there's just a lot more inherent risks to buying used mining gpus. Like I got one that I thought would be safe, it is the gigabyte water Force 6900 xt. It has the built-in water block, you think that would repel miners? No. I got one that what they did is they took the block off, flash the bios, put on an air cooler, mined on it, put the block back on, and sold it as new - open box.
Thankfully at least they activated the warranty so I was able to send it to gigabyte and they have fixed it. They didn't have to I mean it was secondhand, and mined on, so I'll give them credit for that.
It would not play full screen applications, and I knew the BIOS got tampered with because I tried flashing the one off of the website and it said there was a size mismatch, even though the BIOS was exactly the same, so it would not flash. And there is no selector switch so I couldn't just flash it from another bios.
You gotta learn to game the ISP's back. Their best rates are for "Introductory offers" so the best option is to sign up for a plan with a locked in rate for 1-2 years but, isn't part of a contract so that when your introductory rate expires you just cancel for no fee because you're not under contract and then just re-up with a new introductory offer.
Telus sounds like it was basically doing that for you, which is awesome. But, based on my experience with ISP's in the US that is not the norm. Most will gladly let your rate expire and start charging you "normal" rates without notifying you.
First time watching this and the audio is so good.
In NZ, gigabit fiber with 1-2ms to my nearest Internet exchanges. Usually like 960Mb/s down and 700Mb/s up. Not common that servers actually let you download at full speed, but when they do it's pretty sweet. It's been this way since the centre right govt years ago decided to roll out fiber nationwide, so there's a single provider for the media, and ISPs then pay to use it. They're now adding multi gigabit plans in some areas.
Switzerland (a country normally known for stupid prices) has some really good fiber deals. You can get 10gig in Zürich for 65 a month.
I have one friend in Wellington who gets 8gigabit! Crazy what you can get these days
Linus excited about working on an assembly line is hilarious to me
i mean to him it's new, it's interesting, and it's only a couple of hours on one day. it's interesting probably BECAUSE it's only a couple of hours, too. lol
@@tzxazrael Agreed, when people ask what I do (press operator) a lot of folks think it sounds really cool. To me it's just the same boring stuff I've been doing for far too long (really gotta get my ass in gear and learn to code or something).
@@grn1 which sounds awesome... until you realize it's just a lot pf typing and googling "how do i code X" and asking the custromer if they want fries with that in your day job. lol. a lot of the "it would be so much better if i could do X" is based on nothing real, and the hope of getting paid more.
@@tzxazrael Getting paid more would be nice but at this point I'd actually take a pay cut for more reasonable hours (so long as it's not too much of a cut). What I really ought to do is find a way to work for myself, that's where the real money's at as well as the job satisfaction.
Luke, in my 18 story apartment building the smells (cigarette, cigar, or weed smoke, even paint, food, or cleaning odors) come in through the bathroom exhaust fans when they're off (kitchen fans vent into the kitchen) because our bathrooms vent into a common, community shared air & duct space. I turn on my bathroom fans when they're needed. However, I know of buildings with similar common A/C intakes and/or exhausted.
Opened this episode to see "Linus fart tips" at the top of the chat replay and lost my fucking mind. Comedy gold.
The Wan show has become my absolute favorite piece of content every week this year, but it’s less “oh yeah let listen to some tech talk” and more “let’s get spicy”
be embarrassed
@@-opus I’m too old to be embarrassed. I also have nothing to be embarrassed about
@@LonkiGames 14 isn't old captain "spicy"
In regards to the expensive lab equipment, my first thought was "Damn, that's expensive" not "Fukin Linus Flexing"
I think the problem is people are always going to want to hate and bring you down because they perceive you to be doing better than them. Personally, I say Fuck those toxic people.
Even if you were flexing, you earned it. you put in the work and earned your money. Enjoy it and spend it however you want.
That Tera statue is ludicrously priced. for someone who knows people who collect models over the years, there is nothing that would make it cost 13800 other than "We are Square, we know you want it, this is our price"
Oh I work in EU as Local ISP's call center agent for data problems. I am so happy that last year we migrated all customers to the current portfolio. Everybody hated it. Lawyers had books with different contracts and price lists, I had to know several years of ISP portfolio with prices and speeds and special discounts, people were unhappy when the 2 year period ended like Luke's and there were later better products. The only bad thing is that the company risks reduction of the customer base because you have to give them a free way out of the contract but it is so worth it on every level.
I never had any issues with our ISP in Switzerland.. paying 66 CAD for 10 gbit. I think it’s a pretty solid deal
yeah, Switzerland is the best place for Internet in the world.
I'm working there, but not yet living there because my wife and kids don't want to.
Jesus christ. Here in Australia I pay $120AUD for 300mbit. 1 gig would have been $250...
Gotta give Linus props, he's a clever man. Dragging the stream out for 3 hours because he knows people are waiting to hear his take on GN's video and then never addressing it. Touche
You just saved me 3 hours
@@LeafBoye I just commented the same in the first comment regarding this
There’s nothing really to address. GN aired honest and generally reasonable criticism.
He is really really smart lol
i dont know why people were getting worked about about it. its not drama. GN said they are going to give the respect LMG deserves and treat them like a company and not like another youtuber. To me and i probably assume to linus that is a big deal. Linus is past youtube he's building a real brand that could last 50+ years down the line. yes other youtubers are branding themselves but not like linus. when they die that branding dies with them. linus is building a company that could last when his kids kids have kids.
The thing about scores is that they set at standard which companies can follow and strive to achieve better. It gives them a tool to measure their products.
Good examples of this are the Ifixit scores, the safety rating for cars and environmental scores for refrigerators, freezers, washing machines etc..
All of the mentioned fields have improved drastically because companies can now test and measure their products following a standard scale.
So scores actually can help a lot to further a cause.
It is different when it comes to cultural products such as games, movies, music and books. They are more difficult to score as they are not alike.
Scoring Super Mario and Uncharted on the same scale does not make sense while scoring two computers definitely does.
‘I’m not terrifying dude’……‘yeah but you could be’ 😂😂
In regards to merch messages I absolutely love them! I think it introduces really interesting discussion topics. Plus for me, the longer the show is, the better!
LMFAOOOO THE NEW INTRO
33:00 (ish) - When talking about new standards, it's important to keep in mind that the standards groups are almost always made up of manufacturers of the products that use them. That makes them MARKETING standards.
That means that if a good portion of the manufacturers involved are incapable of using a new standard as an advantageous marketing feature, it will not become a new standard from that standards group. This is why so many new standards are misleading - it's done to mislead customers into thinking that a product is better than it actually is.
My youtube app crashed for some reason and I scrolled to a random point I thought was close to when it crashed and it was literally the same sentence.... Love it
2:49:46 luke, i know how it is, i have the same.. when i go full sneeze attack, it's loud, it much and it sucks. like 8 times full send, 3 times a day was not weird for me, in hindsight obviously it wasn't ok, and turned out it was due to dust allergy in combination with hay fever(great combi, cannot reccomend), so anti-allergy pills helped a lot. but still when i go, i GO
i legit have woken people up with sneezing
While I can understand the people seeing the PSU tester video as bragging or whatever, they are buying the labs equipment to get better and more information about these products that we all buy and the equipment to do that testing isn't cheap. Are there possibly cheaper options for the equipment? maybe but isn't it better to have equipment that goes further than needed than getting the cheaper (but still expensive equipment) knowing that the data might be incomplete even though the missing data probably doesn't matter
The better the info we all have the better value we can all get for our money, letting us buy the best product for our budget with the features that matter most to us. This is why I follow GN & HUB and welcome any other players to the actual data review section and not the I've used this for a couple of days and I liked it reviews
No matter what you think LTTs motives for showing off the equipment they are buying is, we will be getting better data out of it
I'm with Virgin broadband in the UK, I called a few months ago and they told me cancelling the contract wasn't an option and nor was getting a cheaper option. When I called back and told them I was leaving and would just stop paying it if they didn't let me they offered me faster internet at like half the cost; fuck ISP's frfr
Totally feel ya! Linus is correct about ISPs seem to be all the same. I just went through this with Comcast
I think I'll start compiling the "I don't know" and "huu" of Luke, they're getting truly hilarious.
here in Australia we have Telstra which is a monster of a telco in size (basically owned the entire countries adsl network, and still owns most of the biggest cellular network) and they are legendarily known as boing one of the worst companies in Aussie history for customer service. But when Telstra is all you have and gives the beast network reliability, you have to sacrifice
When I was able to get rid of Telstra I couldn't be more happier, their customer service is beyond awful.
even joked about by one of our comedian greats "This is F***ing telstra how can I ruin your day?"
Even if Telstra is the only network option you have, there are much better, cheaper and well-supported Telstra partner options.
@@vorpled kind of missing the point, if it's your only option there aren't cheap alternatives by definition...
Even with this I still think lab32 is an amazing name
Were there any thoughts of putting a wrench or ratchet-socket to the handle of the screwdriver? I sometimes come to situations where i need a bit more force then my hands can handle and i own some screwdrivers with a hole in the top where i stick another screwdriver into to have this extra force.
Can you retroactively disable the tracking by apple ? What happens if during installation or first startup of the apple appstore can you say no to tracking and still use your device or the appstore ?
The new intro is awesome - Linus' laughing in the background was hilarious
Dude Dennis is going to damage something else if you let him do chores at your house !
From now on, “Hello this is Luke, I don’t watch tv, may I ask who is speaking?”
Yep. Comcast/Xfinity calls me every other year to do the same kind of deals. I feel like you get this when you use all your own equipment.
They should call it Lab Tech Testing
Might be too close to Labtec, a manufacturer of computer accessories that got bought by Logitech?
@@FiXato that's a company I haven't thought of in years, I completely forgot about them.
Luke’s experience with not knowing the bill had raised for a period of time is why I use auto pay on nothing. I have notifications on my calendar to go pay my bills online. It may cost a few dollars because so don’t get the ‘auto pay discount.’ But is it a discount if you end up paying for something you didn’t want?
You can add notifications for all credit card transactions to help. It also helps prevent missing when your credit card gets stolen.
Zoomit. Your bank app tells you when a bill came in and on click payment. Easypeasy.
Same. It's wild to me that anyone can go a single month, let along many months without realizing a bill of theirs increased. Even more nuts to me when someone doesn't realize they've been paying for a subscription they thought they cancelled.
My ISP is super stable too, I only have downtime when there's a local power outtage, and that one time when a car drive into a building that housed a local data node.
I like the new intro, and the louder volume
Don't ask don't tell approach from the USA army...well it worked for them so well
I get that it's not in the cards right now, but I really hope a "continued success" roadmap involves a European LTT store. I bought some stuff including the backpack (also as a payment for 10-ish years of solid entertainment), and while I like the shirt designs this was definitely a one time splurge. Between Canadian tax, shipping, import fees and Dutch tax I paid double the listed price.
They say that European taxes are included in the purchase so if you are getting taxes on it again in europe you are getting fucked
@@karlrytter7738 Where do they say that? Because I can't find it anywhere. Anyway it also means their return policy is kind of pointless because I'll still be out well over 100 bucks in shipping and customs fees. Not complaining, because I knew all that going in, but it does mean that this purchase is a one time thing.
@@bartz0rt928 they said it on a recent wan show episode, I can't find exactly where but they basically said all the taxes you need to pay are included in the price on their website so if you get taxes again you're being fucked by your country, maybe try send em a support email or something.
@@karlrytter7738 I haven't taken possession yet, so I suppose we'll see. Even without the VAT though, there's still the import tariffs and the high shipping costs. Again, something I was aware of beforehand.
The beautiful thing about Europe is GDPR laws. I was constantly contacted by my carrier every month at least twice at unreasonable times (crack-of-dawn mornings and during school classes). I kept asking them to stop calling me from marketing, and I'd always get the "We'll take care of that, you're no longer on our marketing list" bullcrap.
The last time I got called (about 8 months ago), I simply picked up and said "On behalf of the GDPR regulation, I prohibit any marketing calls." Phone hasn't gone off since.
I recommend everyone living in Europe to do this, if they're getting harassed by their ISPs and phone carriers with marketing calls. Penalties are VERY high for these companies.
Continental US does include Alaska.
If you want to talk about the Lower 48, it’s called the Contiguous US.
It gets confusing because CONUS is shorthand for both.