Perfect comparison. Exactly what I wanted to see. The Idea of not Not having a locking nut always freaked me out and kept me away from getting a Kiesel. But this video really change the way I thought about those non locking trem guitars
Kiesel offer German made Floyds on all their 6 strings except the headless models, they dont offer 7 string Floyds anymore because they havent made them for years & they had a tuning stability problem. But just so you know they offer real German Floyds . But this hipshot trem is amazing .
First of all I dont know why people keep saying ‘Kiesel Hipshot trem’. It doesn’t excist. Kiesel doesn’t make trems. They buy the trems from another company called Hipshot. Second I have a 7-string trem bridge from Hipshot on my Kiesel DC700 and I don’t like it. Here’s why: 1. The trem is HEAVY 2. The trem arm is too high from the body 3. The trem arm contact joint gets in the way when you put your wrist on the bridge or when you want to reach the knobs 4. I cannot find the right adjustment for the trem arm. It is either too tight or too lose 5. The screws to lower or highten the bridge are right under the outer strings. So you have to push the string a bit to the side to make an adjustment with the key. The Edge trem of Ibanez has this solved by putting the screws outside the strings. 6. The trem is less expressive than an Edge or Floyd Rose trem. 7. It doesn’t stay in tune that well imo 8. Last and this one I definitely cannot understand the logic of is that there is room for 5 springs but there are 6 holes to put the spring ends in! So if I want to balance the trem and have the springs straight I can only use 2 or 4 springs. If I use 3 springs then 1 of the 3 would be positioned in an angle. I prefer Floyd Rose or Ibanez Edge/Lo Pro Edge over the Hipshot trem. They are much better. Other trems like Vegatrem or Kahler, etc. I’m not familiar with.
Jeff Kiesel keeps calling it the Kiesel-Hipshot trem, which I totally agree with you is utter nonsense, since the only thing different from what I can tell, is the tremolo arm. You can't have it set up correctly, if it doesn't stay in tune. Mine stays in tune remarkably well. Make sure to lube the nuts, etc. I have 3 springs in all of my trems, and it's the most balances setup in my book. I do prefer the Edge tremolo too, as you can pull up higher, and the flutter is much better as well.
@@Alienadin thanks for the tips. I have not lubricated the nut. Maybe I will in the future. Not sure if it makes a difference though. What does make a difference is to wire the string ends on the tuning peg one full turn. I tried the most common way of restringing with locking tuners where the string gets cut very short and compared it with giving some string length and let it wind one full turn after maximum tension. The latter gives better tuning stability
Great demo. I have a Kiesel CS6 and i'm in the process of odering a SCB6H. Your video has convinced me to go with the Hipshot Tremolo so I thank you for that. That is one beautiful guitar!
I am the proud owner of a Carvin V220 that I bought in 1991. It is still my workhorse guitar, and I plan to buy a new Kiesel sometime next week (virus permitting). Thanks for the demo - I think my next axe will have a Hipshot whammy bar!
The Hipshot tremolo is amazing. Far better than the cheap Wilkinson the old Carvins had. I actually replaced my Wilkinson with a Hipshot/Kiesel tremolo on my Kiesel ST300, and it's so much better now.
@@Alienadin UPDATE: I ordered a Kiesel DC600X with the Hipshot whammy and active pickups. Now I have to wait out the 12-18 weeks it'll take them to build it. But it's gonna be worth it!
Wow, that is one of the sweetest guitars I've ever seen (the Kiesel). And you're a hell of a player as well (sounding like Jeff Beck a bit). This setup in my opinion (in terms of trem/ tuners/ nut) is how all electric guitars should be. It removes all stresses and/or unnecessary bends against unecessary metal components while retaining all the functionality of a floyd rose and locking nut. I think of it as similar to an acoustic with a bone or tusk/ tusq nut. Plus all the unnecessary metalic components can rust or corrode.
it stays in tune ok because it's a six-string guitar. ones you go seven and higher the more unstable tremolos get. More strings, more variables added to the equation. Over seven you will need a locking mechanism.
As neat as the Kiesel is, I'm still eyeing that beautiful HM Strat in the background. I too have an original ('89) HM Strat, in ice blue (teal) and rosewood. Would love to have an ice blue and maple fret board model though.
I think both types would benefit from a near frictionless nut that allows the strings to slide thru without catching and causing tuning issues, although non-locking tuners like the Hipshot would benefit much more. I have a Strat type guitar with a Tronical autotuner, and it was refitted with a graphite nut from a locking one; obviously it would not have worked otherwise. Alienadin - you rock! I love your trem work and phrasing!
Great Man! Thanks for this comparison, the only dubt that I have is what is the diference between them if the tune was good in both cases? Hipshot is better when you have to change the strings right? Is there any other advantage?
Yes, it's easier to change strings for sure. I can't stand it when I run out of wiggle room to fine tune, and have to loosen the locking nut. Both are great though. It's a matter of personal preference IMHO.
@@Alienadin I have a regular hipshot on a Schecter, didn't realize it came in trem version. I take it string change is the same deal, under and thru the body? Next guitar will be Kiesel, unless the guy keeps offending.
@@Alienadin how would you compare the kiesel hipshot to the gotoh (like the ones on the Ibanez AZ prestige guitars), and i take it the strings goes thru the back just like the gotoh?
@@kevliao Sorry mate, I don't really have any experience with the AZ line, as I can't stand the chunky necks on those, but whould love to get one, if they make an appealing one with a slim neck profile some day.
Great informative vid mate. In case anyone is interested the Kiesel/Hipshot trem is very similar in action and use to the one on the EBMM John Petrucci guitars.
It is a string through like a standard tremblock. If you change the tuning of the strings then you also have to make sure the adjustment of the trem is still right.
Oh yeah, and the stringhole at the backplate has no function 😆. Because it is a tremblock the block will move its angle. Also most of the the time the block is not positioned flush with the body. So you always have to take of the backplate if you want to change a set of strings or even one string. It is really a stupid Kiesel design to make a hole there instead of making holes for the screws that tighten or loosen the strings. That does make logical sense. You can compare the Kiesel backplate with that of Ibanez to see what I mean. To conclude is that Kiesel should not make a hole in the plate for the strings but they should make no holes at all or only for the two spring screws.
And another thing at least from my experience is that the Kiesel locking tuners don’t keep tuning well unless you would ‘lock’ the string around the tuning peg as you’d normally do on a standard tuning peg. If you cut the string ends short and lock it - the way it is supposed to set up the strings with locking tuners - it will not hold the tuning well. Especially with the bass strings it is important to have a good roundabout the tuner peg and make sure the string end fits tight between the string (locking the string). With the treble strings I give it an extra rounding around the tuner peg. And also make sure every screw and bolt of the tuners is tight. If it is loose the strings will go out of tune quickly also. For me the Gotoh tuners that Ibanez uses are of better quality. They are a bit lighter and the turning wheel can’t come of like the Kiesels. And as for the Hipshot trem… it is not the best trem. If you want to have a fun to go trem that is easy to use, with all control and good tuning stability go for an Ibanez Edge trem. Or even Floyd Rose for that matter. Hipshot trems is the worst trem I had in my life. It is too sensitive, too heavy, the build doesnt make sense and it doesnt stay in tune well. Horrible. Greg Howe, also a Kiesel player, he uses Vegatrem instead of the standard Hipshot that Kiesel offers. I am curious why Greg chooses Vegatrem over Hipshot. I have no experience with Vegatrem but I would go for it over the Hipshot.
Hey ! How do you tight the trem arm on the hipshot? I've found the hole in the bridge but putting Allen Key and turning as far to the right as i can just does nothinh
You have got the right spot there. It doesn't work well anymore on one of my Kiesels anymore either. I am sure there is some kind of hack to remedy this issue. Let me know, if you find out. I will too. Rock on.
@@Alienadin I have the same with my trem. I cannot find the good spot anymore. With Ibanez trems it is easy to solve it when it occurs. I think with the Hipshot it occurs very quickly and I think there’s not even a solution for it. Makes the trem use harder to control if the trem bar is not excactly connected right
So question. Can the hipshot contour do everything a floyd rose can? i need some insight please cuz im deciding if i should get one or not. any help is welcomed
This is an old video but if you remember; did neither/both guitars have tremsetters? Since the kiesel have hipshot in the name and they make them that could be a difference, possibly. Either way its kind of impressive but ofc you'd need a well cut nut but nice to see that it is at least possible to get just as good or better tuning stability without double locking.
I have an RG 652 AHM on it's way, it will be my first professional level trem guitar. I will finally be able to tackle some crazy Vai and Satch stuff after all these years after not wanting to deal with tuning issues on my RG lo-TRS trem. I so want a Kiesel in the future and after this video, I know that I will probably go for a hipshot and not another floyd type after seeing how it also maintains perfect tuning without the hassle. I wonder though if the hipshot bridge can reach the same notes as the edge when pulling up? Do they feel any different? Lot's of people say the hipshot is super smooth. Wonderful videos, guitars and playing mate. thanks :)
First of all, congrats to you. It's a great guitar. You can definitely go crazy with the trem on this one. I think the only thing holding the Kiesel back from pulling up even higher, although a major third is pretty darn amazing, is that it's not more recessed under the bridge, as opposed to the RG. If you recessed it more, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to pull up even further. The Kiesel/Hipshot is truly the best and smoothest tremolo I have ever used. It's perfect for me, and you should really check it out. Thanks for the kind words, and rock on.
Just wondering, can you easily retune to drop D while rehearsing or u need to readjust everything / all strings whe' dropping you low E to D ? The hipshot trem sounds to see very much like the EBMM trem of my jp6... Not painful with strings locked, push and pull, but still floating then moving quickly from standard tuning to drop D takes a while when retuning all strings and rebalancing the whole thing. Is it also the case for the hipshot trem ? I would be delighted if anyone could enlighten me on this matter i have ;)
If you have a locking trem setup properly, you don't need to pull up or push down to get it to return to proper pitch. It works perfectly when setup correctly. Mine never go out of tune unless the strings are going bad. The advantage to a locking trem is the locking nut because you can change string gauges to whatever you want to accommodate any tuning you want. With a non-locking trem like the Kiesel, you would have to get the nut slotted for different string gauges for it to work correctly. The nut is cut for the string gauges you will be using. You can go up maybe one gauge size from say 9's to 10's but that's it. Each trem has advantages and disadvantages. Depends on what you want to do and what you prefer.
@@omegakid12 not if you do as I explained. You use different string gauges to compensate for the tension. No rebalancing needed. I know, I have done it for years. I use 9s for standard tuning. 9-46 hybrids for 1/2 step down without having to change anything. The extra tension from the slightly heavier strings compensate for the tuning. I use 10s for whole step down. I never reset anything. It works perfectly. At most the intonation might need set but it's never been bad enough to worry about for me.
@@omegakid12 I do. It's all about research and math. I use Elixir strings. You look up what tension each string is at standard tuning. Then there is a tension calculator you use to see gauge and note to see tension. I match tension with tuning and have no issues at all. Most just don't want to do that much research or math. I assure it can be done with any tuning because I've done it from standard to drop B with no readjustments.
Why would I want to go through a ton of hassle to bloody CALCULATE what kind of strings I need, when I can get almost any kind of string gauges on a guitar with a normal nut? I went up to 13 gauge in dropped A tuning on a six string before (an Epiphone Explorer) and didn't have to change anything with the nut. Also, changing strings on a guitar with a normal nut is much easier. Currently changing the strings on my FR equipped guitar and it's so annoying.
Great & very helpful to people who are wondering how good the hipshot Kiesel trem really is, Its a brilliant trem but its not a locking trem as far as downward & upward movement of the trem . It wont pull up as far as an edge but you have your action extremely low which made the edge fret out, there is a remedy for this but I wont get into a lengthy topic but just know Steve Vai"s guitar have an extremely low action but his edge doesnt fret out & its the exact same Lo pro edge your using so maybe you need a new guitar tech, if you do your own edge trem set ups then thats the problem with it fretting out with a low action . Great vid showing the brilliance of the Kiesel hipshot trem . Take care .
Thanks for your feedback. Yes, the Ibanez Edge wasn't set up perfectly, and it's true that the Edge can pull up further than the Hipshot tremolo. The comparison was mainly aimed at comparing tuning stability, since that is what most people are primarily worried about with non-floating tremolo systems. The Ibanez RG652 has an original Edge trem however, and not a Low Pro. Rock on, mate.
@@Alienadin Oh I thought is was the lo pro, the edge you have & the lo pro in my opinion after using locking terms for 30 years are the best locking trem's ever made. Im using one now in a session, im writing this between takes . A lot of people don't realise the actual Floyd Rose was never designed to be pulled upwards only downwards, the edge was designed from the start to be pulled upwards so its the better system , Steve Vai & Joe Satriani cant be wrong . Although listen to what Dime bag did with an original floyd , he abused the fluck out of his & it was floating so he could pull upwards.... a lot of it comes down to taste as well I guess . But to me when it comes to locking terms , its the original edge & the lo pro are tied & the The Gotoh Locking trem is up there with the best, they helped ibanez design the Edge , & then the German Floyd . I have to say the kiesel hipshot trem of yours is incredible Im getting a crescent 7 string & your video made me see how good it is , the video helped me a lot with my decision because they dont make 7 string German Floyds anymore & I have to have a floating trem Thank you .
I think that entirely depends on how much it is recessed and the way it is set up. I have set it up so that I can bend up a minor 3rd on the G string. On the Ibanez, I can currently bend up a perfect 4th.
You can definitely pull higher on the Ibanez. A perfect 4th, even with super low string action. I dind't have it set up perfectly in this video, which I regreat, but oh well. I don't know about the last part, but you can always try leaving the locking nuts unlocked and installing locking tuners, which are great for quicker string changes anyway.
I’ve read somewhere that a lot of bolt on neck guitars have a problem with keeping tuning with a trem system because of the screws or bolts not being reinforced, and that the problem can be fixed just by installing some stainless steel machine screw fittings in the neck so that the machine screws create a tighter bond with the guitar. I’ve seen a lot of high end guitar companies, especially Kiesel doing this to prevent tuning stability loss in their guitars when it comes to a tremolo system on a bolt on neck construction.
Alienadin that’s one of the reasons why I love neck thru construction, but if you’re ever interested in having it done to something like your Ibanez then it wouldn’t hurt to try if you’re wanting to try something new.
Locking tuners are not a one-to-one replacement/substitution for a Floyd locking nut. This is incorrect information. The nut material and the quality of the job done cutting the nut slots is a different variable. With a standard nut, there is string movement during trem use. With a properly functioning Floyd locking nut, the strings CAN NOT move. There is a reason the Floyd system is still on production guitars from so many brands after about 40 years now. And no, they are not complicated to change strings on, people just learned incorrect ways to do it. The Floyd drama going on thru the innerwebs is reee-dick.
I don't think changing strings on a Floyd Rose type floating trem is difficult at all, but I do prefer not having to use an Allen key. Maybe I didn't communitate it accurately, but what I meant was that this kind floating trem with locking tuners pretty much makes a FR system unnecessary.
@@Alienadin The string-changing comment was for anyone else reading because of the general Floyd-triggering that goes on out there in Guitar Player Land. No one, well-designed vibrato system makes another vibrato system unnecessary. There are trade-offs and subjective pros/cons to different ones. For example, even if the nut on your Kiesel is cut and lubricated amazingly well, there are most likely going to be tuning problems if someone goes Steve Vai on the thing. Certain strings will literally pop out of their seating in the nut. So it depends on the player. The fulcrum distances are different on different systems, so they respond, feel, and sound different from each other. And if a string breaks on the non-locking type, the string is trash and new one has to be installed. The locking tuners make that simpler than if they didn't lock but, on a Floyd-equipped guitar, you can have the allen key mounted to the back of the headstock (or not), pull out the string segment left in the bridge (where strings usually break), pull out slack from the tuner and re-clamp it, and not burn up a brand new replacement string just to get your main guitar thru a gig. I have an HD6X with the Hipshot vibrato and even after lubing the crap out of every friction point, there's no way that set-up can take the diving/pulling action a Floyd can without tuning issues. I've had the saddle height screws on the Hipshot move during use (which need an allen key to re-adjust) where the Floyd saddles are made to a pre-determined height for a specific radius (which can be changed with shims) and literally bolted down to the plate and can't move. Again, depends on the player and their individual preferences.
Great video and comparisons! Definitely started chuckling when you went REALLY over the top with the tremolo! Curious question - do locking tuners fully eliminate the need for locking nuts in general, or is this something that's specific/exclusive to Kiesel's hipshot system? Currently I don't have a guitar that has ANY sort of tremolo system, and I want to be able to play and experiment with the floyd rose-style dive bombs and tremolo wackiness. That said, Floyd Roses in particular sound like a major hassle to deal with - especially if you want to change tunings, which my band does. Kiesel's system is REALLY enticing, since it pretty much functions like a regular guitar with added flare. At the same time though, while Kiesel's are great guitars in their own right, they aren't what I'm primarily into - I'm not into getting a kiesel guitar for the hipshot tremolo alone. I'd LOVE to get their type of tremolo system on a Dunable, if that's possible - or is Kiesel the only company that make tremolo systems like that? (I know Dunable doesn't make that, but there are other companies making tremolo systems too - can you get the same benefits with other brands, as long as the locking tuners are in place?)
Thank you. Absolutely, buy a high quality guitar that has a great quality tremolo with locking tuners that feature a high ratio (17/19:1) and you are golden. You can also install them on any guitar afterwards. I am not a fan of FR style tremolos either, as you need an Allen key, etc.. With this kind of system, you have the same kind of stability, and can tune it just like a "regular" kind of guitar. The American Ultra Strats by Fender have it too, as do Music Mans, Suhrs, etc.. I wouldn't buy a Kiesel, if I were you either.
@@Alienadin Just curious why you replied to him with this part...(I wouldn't buy a Kiesel, if I were you either.) ?? just curious because I am looking at Kiesel guitars at the minute if you have some insight here ?
@@Scubasgamecorner Because Jeff Kiesel is an insecure control freak, and banned me, just because I had spoken up a change to the AS option, which would have made the system pretty much pointless. Just buy one and shut the hell up, or else.
2 questions... 1. How far SHARP can you pull with that trem? 2. I noticed you have the piezo saddles. Any idea how those compare with the Music Man piezo, like on the JP line? Thanks!
Sorry for the late reply. Was never notified. On the Ibanez a perfect 4th on the G string with nicely low string action. On the Kiesel a minor to major third tops. I have never played a JP Music Man, so I don't know.
@@Alienadin thanks! Yeah I searched around and found exactly what you're saying regarding the tremolo. So it solidifies that the Ibanez is the right guitar for me as I really need maximum range. Appreciate the reply!
Great video. In my experience a standard nut with a trem wears down after a while as the strings cut through the nut with every trem use.. Doesn't happen with floyd rose
Great playing man I really enjoyed your review! I was wondering, in comparison, which trem do you think is more flexible In terms of range of pitch bending? I love the amount you can pull the pitch up on a Floyd, but do you think the kiesel has that same level of flexibility? If so, I think the hipshot is definitely the way to go for me. Thanks!
Well, if you want ultra low string action, you can pull up a minor third on the G string with the Hipshot tremolo and the Edge trem, but if you sacrifice a bit of the string action, whilst still keeping it comfortably low, you can do a perfect 4th on the G string with the Edge, so that would be the winner, if that is what matters most to you. Thanks, mate.
@@Alienadin no problem! I mean I'll admit, floyd rose trems and the locking nut just look totally bad ass but the amount of hassle to restring...I just don't think it's worth it if Kiesel's trem is this good.
If you change strings one by one it's super easy, but it's pretty comparable to a Floyd Rose tremolo overall, since they are both floating. You don't have to use an Allen key for anything though, which makes it far more convenient in my book.
God I miss playing my 1992 Carvin DC 200 Koa with Sperzels. My girl needs love, and a new module, she's been out of service since 2012. I called Kiesel and they said they could install a new module for me, wooHoo !
Are you sure you’re meant to pull up on all locking trems? I have this problem on my RGs but not on my guitars with a legit Floyd rose. I think it’s edge pro / Ibanez design floor.. I do have an S series with a ZR and that stays in tune great
And add tuning stability, provided the have a high ratio. What they seem to do is make a locking trem obsolete, is what I was attempting to communicate.
Regarding the Kiesel/Hipshot trem - Have you ever noticed the tremolo arm to slowly work its way up in the socket while you're playing? Sometimes I notice the bar feels like its sitting higher and I have push the bar back down in the socket after using it a lot. It happens very slowly so its not immediately noticeable.
with respect... Locking tuners do not do the same functions as a lock nut. A lock TUNER does eliminate one of the tuning stability issues of wrap pinging string getting loosened and tightened over and over where strings can change the wrapping positions and be tighter or loser. But the main reason still does not get addressed with locking TUNERS which is... Strings getting tension getting stuck infant of behind the nut. Of course a fine nut with graphite can help when using locking TUNERS but a lock nut completely eliminates both issues.
That’s why I ordered headless. I’ve had Floyd rose or licensed FR since ‘86 on the then new Charvel Jackson’s I have 3 model 5s ‘86 and two ‘87s never had tuning issues once locked in place Gigged the ‘86 exclusively for years only breaking one E string on stage in 17 years and as you know with a floating bridge that’s a useless instrument So the same piece in black as a backup The ‘86 came with a Kahler, I have several older guitars with that bridge, not bad for a surface mount system And the Carvins are Wilkinsons with locking tuners But all the Ibanez’ from my old Jem 77 bfp to a Paul Gilbert signature “F hole” to RGs are all Floyd’s and all great So I’m a little apprehensive since the custom Aries neck through has the bridge you have demonstrated Hopefully it can be adjusted tight in position I never liked the swing bar thing and the “Warble” that I first heard from Brad Gillis feels better and is one one my favorite spices, but only a few through a night Thank for the Demo
Locking tuners are NOT the same as a locking nut. The stability on the nut is better. I know-had a Dc127c with an original Floyd and no locking nut and oh, boy....also had an Ibanez Prestige. MUCH BETTER.
@@Alienadin thanks for reply.. im so frustrated with my strat.. when im bend the string after divebomb,,always out of tune, especially the G string.. when i fix the G string and go with divebomb,the G string running out.. is that the HIPSHOT TREMSETTER can fix my strat..?
GITAR BANGSAT chanel This happens to every guitar with a whammy bar, if your talking about after bending the G string? (Even the very best locking Trems). It’s because the tension is distributed unevenly after a “G string bend,” due to the G string having more tension (on the bend) and less on the trem springs. After it’s released the Trems tension is redistributed to the other strings. Leaving the G string slightly out of tune, needing the bar to be dipped so it redistributes the correct tension across all strings. Something trem users have to live with, just like unison bends always being out of tune.
I just got my first Kiesel trem and I have to say it feels much better then Floyd Rose or Edge by Ibanez. Check out the demo for the beauty: ua-cam.com/video/WmmiLTcwRnM/v-deo.html
Perfect comparison. Exactly what I wanted to see. The Idea of not Not having a locking nut always freaked me out and kept me away from getting a Kiesel. But this video really change the way I thought about those non locking trem guitars
Thanks, mate. Glad to be of help.
Kiesel offer German made Floyds on all their 6 strings except the headless models, they dont offer 7 string Floyds anymore because they havent made them for years & they had a tuning stability problem. But just so you know they offer real German Floyds . But this hipshot trem is amazing .
dude yes this is exactly what i needed to see, gotta maybe save this for some whammy ideas later u sound great man
Thanks a lot, mate.
First of all I dont know why people keep saying ‘Kiesel Hipshot trem’. It doesn’t excist. Kiesel doesn’t make trems. They buy the trems from another company called Hipshot.
Second I have a 7-string trem bridge from Hipshot on my Kiesel DC700 and I don’t like it. Here’s why:
1. The trem is HEAVY
2. The trem arm is too high from the body
3. The trem arm contact joint gets in the way when you put your wrist on the bridge or when you want to reach the knobs
4. I cannot find the right adjustment for the trem arm. It is either too tight or too lose
5. The screws to lower or highten the bridge are right under the outer strings. So you have to push the string a bit to the side to make an adjustment with the key. The Edge trem of Ibanez has this solved by putting the screws outside the strings.
6. The trem is less expressive than an Edge or Floyd Rose trem.
7. It doesn’t stay in tune that well imo
8. Last and this one I definitely cannot understand the logic of is that there is room for 5 springs but there are 6 holes to put the spring ends in! So if I want to balance the trem and have the springs straight I can only use 2 or 4 springs. If I use 3 springs then 1 of the 3 would be positioned in an angle.
I prefer Floyd Rose or Ibanez Edge/Lo Pro Edge over the Hipshot trem. They are much better. Other trems like Vegatrem or Kahler, etc. I’m not familiar with.
Jeff Kiesel keeps calling it the Kiesel-Hipshot trem, which I totally agree with you is utter nonsense, since the only thing different from what I can tell, is the tremolo arm. You can't have it set up correctly, if it doesn't stay in tune. Mine stays in tune remarkably well. Make sure to lube the nuts, etc. I have 3 springs in all of my trems, and it's the most balances setup in my book. I do prefer the Edge tremolo too, as you can pull up higher, and the flutter is much better as well.
@@Alienadin thanks for the tips. I have not lubricated the nut. Maybe I will in the future. Not sure if it makes a difference though.
What does make a difference is to wire the string ends on the tuning peg one full turn. I tried the most common way of restringing with locking tuners where the string gets cut very short and compared it with giving some string length and let it wind one full turn after maximum tension. The latter gives better tuning stability
Great demo. I have a Kiesel CS6 and i'm in the process of odering a SCB6H. Your video has convinced me to go with the Hipshot Tremolo so I thank you for that. That is one beautiful guitar!
Thank you.
Thank god I did the same with the LP style Keisel..I am still waiting for delivery. I am nervous and excited. Go figure.
I am the proud owner of a Carvin V220 that I bought in 1991. It is still my workhorse guitar, and I plan to buy a new Kiesel sometime next week (virus permitting). Thanks for the demo - I think my next axe will have a Hipshot whammy bar!
The Hipshot tremolo is amazing. Far better than the cheap Wilkinson the old Carvins had. I actually replaced my Wilkinson with a Hipshot/Kiesel tremolo on my Kiesel ST300, and it's so much better now.
@@Alienadin UPDATE: I ordered a Kiesel DC600X with the Hipshot whammy and active pickups. Now I have to wait out the 12-18 weeks it'll take them to build it. But it's gonna be worth it!
Roland St Germain Read my post, just above yours. We're almost family, not so distant cousins, lol. Peace.
Wow, that is one of the sweetest guitars I've ever seen (the Kiesel). And you're a hell of a player as well (sounding like Jeff Beck a bit). This setup in my opinion (in terms of trem/ tuners/ nut) is how all electric guitars should be. It removes all stresses and/or unnecessary bends against unecessary metal components while retaining all the functionality of a floyd rose and locking nut. I think of it as similar to an acoustic with a bone or tusk/ tusq nut. Plus all the unnecessary metalic components can rust or corrode.
it stays in tune ok because it's a six-string guitar. ones you go seven and higher the more unstable tremolos get. More strings, more variables added to the equation. Over seven you will need a locking mechanism.
I certainly believe that.
I have one on my Osiris and love it. Great review and awesome playing.
Cool. Thanks a lot, mate.
Charlie, can you change the tuning of your osiris easily with a tremolo system ? Or you are lock ?
thanks so much for clearing this doubt i've had for quite sometime. Hipshot tremolo seems to be the right choice.(for me, at least-of course)
As neat as the Kiesel is, I'm still eyeing that beautiful HM Strat in the background. I too have an original ('89) HM Strat, in ice blue (teal) and rosewood. Would love to have an ice blue and maple fret board model though.
I hear you, bro. I hope to one day acquire a bluestone HM. Strat with a maple fingerboard in mint condition.
I think both types would benefit from a near frictionless nut that allows the strings to slide thru without catching and causing tuning issues, although non-locking tuners like the Hipshot would benefit much more. I have a Strat type guitar with a Tronical autotuner, and it was refitted with a graphite nut from a locking one; obviously it would not have worked otherwise.
Alienadin - you rock! I love your trem work and phrasing!
Definitely. Thanks a lot, mate. Aprreciate it.
Great Man! Thanks for this comparison, the only dubt that I have is what is the diference between them if the tune was good in both cases? Hipshot is better when you have to change the strings right? Is there any other advantage?
Yes, it's easier to change strings for sure. I can't stand it when I run out of wiggle room to fine tune, and have to loosen the locking nut. Both are great though. It's a matter of personal preference IMHO.
@@Alienadin ok, thanks for the information Man. Great videos and great playing! Keep on with the good work!
@@Alienadin I have a regular hipshot on a Schecter, didn't realize it came in trem version. I take it string change is the same deal, under and thru the body? Next guitar will be Kiesel, unless the guy keeps offending.
Thank god I ordered the hipshot. I can not wait to try it.
It's a fantastic trem. I have just replaced my Wilkinson with one as well. Enjoy.
@@Alienadin how would you compare the kiesel hipshot to the gotoh (like the ones on the Ibanez AZ prestige guitars), and i take it the strings goes thru the back just like the gotoh?
@@kevliao Sorry mate, I don't really have any experience with the AZ line, as I can't stand the chunky necks on those, but whould love to get one, if they make an appealing one with a slim neck profile some day.
Awesome comparison video man, thank you!
My pleasure. Glad to be of help.
Great informative vid mate. In case anyone is interested the Kiesel/Hipshot trem is very similar in action and use to the one on the EBMM John Petrucci guitars.
Thanks a lot, mate. Appreciate it. Also, thank you for the additional info.
Exactly what I always wondered. I love that bridge. Thanks for the info!
Beautiful guitar. I love my Kiesels and Carvins.
Me too. Although Jeff Kiesel is a massive douche bag.
How does string changing work on the Kiesel tremolo, is it easy? And it is easy to change tunings on that tremolo?
It is a string through like a standard tremblock.
If you change the tuning of the strings then you also have to make sure the adjustment of the trem is still right.
What he said. --> Chocolate Cookie
Oh yeah, and the stringhole at the backplate has no function 😆. Because it is a tremblock the block will move its angle. Also most of the the time the block is not positioned flush with the body. So you always have to take of the backplate if you want to change a set of strings or even one string. It is really a stupid Kiesel design to make a hole there instead of making holes for the screws that tighten or loosen the strings. That does make logical sense. You can compare the Kiesel backplate with that of Ibanez to see what I mean. To conclude is that Kiesel should not make a hole in the plate for the strings but they should make no holes at all or only for the two spring screws.
And another thing at least from my experience is that the Kiesel locking tuners don’t keep tuning well unless you would ‘lock’ the string around the tuning peg as you’d normally do on a standard tuning peg. If you cut the string ends short and lock it - the way it is supposed to set up the strings with locking tuners - it will not hold the tuning well. Especially with the bass strings it is important to have a good roundabout the tuner peg and make sure the string end fits tight between the string (locking the string). With the treble strings I give it an extra rounding around the tuner peg. And also make sure every screw and bolt of the tuners is tight. If it is loose the strings will go out of tune quickly also.
For me the Gotoh tuners that Ibanez uses are of better quality. They are a bit lighter and the turning wheel can’t come of like the Kiesels.
And as for the Hipshot trem… it is not the best trem. If you want to have a fun to go trem that is easy to use, with all control and good tuning stability go for an Ibanez Edge trem. Or even Floyd Rose for that matter. Hipshot trems is the worst trem I had in my life. It is too sensitive, too heavy, the build doesnt make sense and it doesnt stay in tune well. Horrible. Greg Howe, also a Kiesel player, he uses Vegatrem instead of the standard Hipshot that Kiesel offers. I am curious why Greg chooses Vegatrem over Hipshot. I have no experience with Vegatrem but I would go for it over the Hipshot.
Hey ! How do you tight the trem arm on the hipshot? I've found the hole in the bridge but putting Allen Key and turning as far to the right as i can just does nothinh
You have got the right spot there. It doesn't work well anymore on one of my Kiesels anymore either. I am sure there is some kind of hack to remedy this issue. Let me know, if you find out. I will too. Rock on.
@@Alienadin I have the same with my trem. I cannot find the good spot anymore. With Ibanez trems it is easy to solve it when it occurs. I think with the Hipshot it occurs very quickly and I think there’s not even a solution for it. Makes the trem use harder to control if the trem bar is not excactly connected right
So question. Can the hipshot contour do everything a floyd rose can? i need some insight please cuz im deciding if i should get one or not. any help is welcomed
Pretty much. Only flutter is not quite the same imo.
Don’t buy the Hipshot. Read my review in my comment here under this video. And yes, the Hipshot trem doesn’t flutter as a flutter should sound like.
I can’t believe I haven’t heard of hipshot trems before seriously looking into Kiesel.
They are great tremolos.
@@Alienadin I’ve heard they have tuning stability issues.
Any experience with that?
This is an old video but if you remember; did neither/both guitars have tremsetters? Since the kiesel have hipshot in the name and they make them that could be a difference, possibly. Either way its kind of impressive but ofc you'd need a well cut nut but nice to see that it is at least possible to get just as good or better tuning stability without double locking.
Nice I'll probably get a hipshot on my next Kiesel
Thanks. This was great.
You are most welcome.
thank you so much for this comparison!
My pleasure.
that kiesel is gorgeous
Thank you.
I have an RG 652 AHM on it's way, it will be my first professional level trem guitar. I will finally be able to tackle some crazy Vai and Satch stuff after all these years after not wanting to deal with tuning issues on my RG lo-TRS trem.
I so want a Kiesel in the future and after this video, I know that I will probably go for a hipshot and not another floyd type after seeing how it also maintains perfect tuning without the hassle.
I wonder though if the hipshot bridge can reach the same notes as the edge when pulling up? Do they feel any different? Lot's of people say the hipshot is super smooth.
Wonderful videos, guitars and playing mate. thanks :)
First of all, congrats to you. It's a great guitar. You can definitely go crazy with the trem on this one. I think the only thing holding the Kiesel back from pulling up even higher, although a major third is pretty darn amazing, is that it's not more recessed under the bridge, as opposed to the RG. If you recessed it more, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to pull up even further. The Kiesel/Hipshot is truly the best and smoothest tremolo I have ever used. It's perfect for me, and you should really check it out. Thanks for the kind words, and rock on.
Just wondering, can you easily retune to drop D while rehearsing or u need to readjust everything / all strings whe' dropping you low E to D ?
The hipshot trem sounds to see very much like the EBMM trem of my jp6... Not painful with strings locked, push and pull, but still floating then moving quickly from standard tuning to drop D takes a while when retuning all strings and rebalancing the whole thing.
Is it also the case for the hipshot trem ? I would be delighted if anyone could enlighten me on this matter i have ;)
I works reasonably well, but I wouldn't use it during a recording.
Good demo. Thanks man. Liked and subbed!!!!
Thanks a lot, mate. Appreciate it.
If you have a locking trem setup properly, you don't need to pull up or push down to get it to return to proper pitch. It works perfectly when setup correctly. Mine never go out of tune unless the strings are going bad. The advantage to a locking trem is the locking nut because you can change string gauges to whatever you want to accommodate any tuning you want. With a non-locking trem like the Kiesel, you would have to get the nut slotted for different string gauges for it to work correctly. The nut is cut for the string gauges you will be using. You can go up maybe one gauge size from say 9's to 10's but that's it. Each trem has advantages and disadvantages. Depends on what you want to do and what you prefer.
bresan79 surely if you need to change tuning you have to completely rebalance the locking tremolo which in my experience is a huge pain
@@omegakid12 not if you do as I explained. You use different string gauges to compensate for the tension. No rebalancing needed. I know, I have done it for years. I use 9s for standard tuning. 9-46 hybrids for 1/2 step down without having to change anything. The extra tension from the slightly heavier strings compensate for the tuning. I use 10s for whole step down. I never reset anything. It works perfectly. At most the intonation might need set but it's never been bad enough to worry about for me.
bresan79 that works for going half step down but what about C? Or open tunings you’re never gonna be able to get the tension exactly the same
@@omegakid12 I do. It's all about research and math. I use Elixir strings. You look up what tension each string is at standard tuning. Then there is a tension calculator you use to see gauge and note to see tension. I match tension with tuning and have no issues at all. Most just don't want to do that much research or math. I assure it can be done with any tuning because I've done it from standard to drop B with no readjustments.
Why would I want to go through a ton of hassle to bloody CALCULATE what kind of strings I need, when I can get almost any kind of string gauges on a guitar with a normal nut? I went up to 13 gauge in dropped A tuning on a six string before (an Epiphone Explorer) and didn't have to change anything with the nut. Also, changing strings on a guitar with a normal nut is much easier. Currently changing the strings on my FR equipped guitar and it's so annoying.
Great & very helpful to people who are wondering how good the hipshot Kiesel trem really is, Its a brilliant trem but its not a locking trem as far as downward & upward movement of the trem . It wont pull up as far as an edge but you have your action extremely low which made the edge fret out, there is a remedy for this but I wont get into a lengthy topic but just know Steve Vai"s guitar have an extremely low action but his edge doesnt fret out & its the exact same Lo pro edge your using so maybe you need a new guitar tech, if you do your own edge trem set ups then thats the problem with it fretting out with a low action . Great vid showing the brilliance of the Kiesel hipshot trem . Take care .
Thanks for your feedback. Yes, the Ibanez Edge wasn't set up perfectly, and it's true that the Edge can pull up further than the Hipshot tremolo. The comparison was mainly aimed at comparing tuning stability, since that is what most people are primarily worried about with non-floating tremolo systems. The Ibanez RG652 has an original Edge trem however, and not a Low Pro. Rock on, mate.
@@Alienadin Oh I thought is was the lo pro, the edge you have & the lo pro in my opinion after using locking terms for 30 years are the best locking trem's ever made. Im using one now in a session, im writing this between takes . A lot of people don't realise the actual Floyd Rose was never designed to be pulled upwards only downwards, the edge was designed from the start to be pulled upwards so its the better system , Steve Vai & Joe Satriani cant be wrong . Although listen to what Dime bag did with an original floyd , he abused the fluck out of his & it was floating so he could pull upwards.... a lot of it comes down to taste as well I guess . But to me when it comes to locking terms , its the original edge & the lo pro are tied & the The Gotoh Locking trem is up there with the best, they helped ibanez design the Edge , & then the German Floyd . I have to say the kiesel hipshot trem of yours is incredible Im getting a crescent 7 string & your video made me see how good it is , the video helped me a lot with my decision because they dont make 7 string German Floyds anymore & I have to have a floating trem Thank you .
How does the hipshot trem compare to a Floyd/edge in terms of pitch range? How far can you pull up or dive on the hipshot?
I think that entirely depends on how much it is recessed and the way it is set up. I have set it up so that I can bend up a minor 3rd on the G string. On the Ibanez, I can currently bend up a perfect 4th.
I know I’m late, but how do they compare in terms of how high you can pull? Also, if the Floyd does more, could you replace the nut with the tuners?
You can definitely pull higher on the Ibanez. A perfect 4th, even with super low string action. I dind't have it set up perfectly in this video, which I regreat, but oh well. I don't know about the last part, but you can always try leaving the locking nuts unlocked and installing locking tuners, which are great for quicker string changes anyway.
I’ve read somewhere that a lot of bolt on neck guitars have a problem with keeping tuning with a trem system because of the screws or bolts not being reinforced, and that the problem can be fixed just by installing some stainless steel machine screw fittings in the neck so that the machine screws create a tighter bond with the guitar. I’ve seen a lot of high end guitar companies, especially Kiesel doing this to prevent tuning stability loss in their guitars when it comes to a tremolo system on a bolt on neck construction.
My 2 Kiesels are neck-through guitars anyway.
Alienadin that’s one of the reasons why I love neck thru construction, but if you’re ever interested in having it done to something like your Ibanez then it wouldn’t hurt to try if you’re wanting to try something new.
Thanks, you're a lifesaver. Also, slick playing ! \m/
My pleasure, and thanks.
Locking tuners are not a one-to-one replacement/substitution for a Floyd locking nut. This is incorrect information. The nut material and the quality of the job done cutting the nut slots is a different variable. With a standard nut, there is string movement during trem use. With a properly functioning Floyd locking nut, the strings CAN NOT move. There is a reason the Floyd system is still on production guitars from so many brands after about 40 years now. And no, they are not complicated to change strings on, people just learned incorrect ways to do it. The Floyd drama going on thru the innerwebs is reee-dick.
I don't think changing strings on a Floyd Rose type floating trem is difficult at all, but I do prefer not having to use an Allen key. Maybe I didn't communitate it accurately, but what I meant was that this kind floating trem with locking tuners pretty much makes a FR system unnecessary.
@@Alienadin The string-changing comment was for anyone else reading because of the general Floyd-triggering that goes on out there in Guitar Player Land. No one, well-designed vibrato system makes another vibrato system unnecessary. There are trade-offs and subjective pros/cons to different ones. For example, even if the nut on your Kiesel is cut and lubricated amazingly well, there are most likely going to be tuning problems if someone goes Steve Vai on the thing. Certain strings will literally pop out of their seating in the nut. So it depends on the player. The fulcrum distances are different on different systems, so they respond, feel, and sound different from each other. And if a string breaks on the non-locking type, the string is trash and new one has to be installed. The locking tuners make that simpler than if they didn't lock but, on a Floyd-equipped guitar, you can have the allen key mounted to the back of the headstock (or not), pull out the string segment left in the bridge (where strings usually break), pull out slack from the tuner and re-clamp it, and not burn up a brand new replacement string just to get your main guitar thru a gig. I have an HD6X with the Hipshot vibrato and even after lubing the crap out of every friction point, there's no way that set-up can take the diving/pulling action a Floyd can without tuning issues. I've had the saddle height screws on the Hipshot move during use (which need an allen key to re-adjust) where the Floyd saddles are made to a pre-determined height for a specific radius (which can be changed with shims) and literally bolted down to the plate and can't move. Again, depends on the player and their individual preferences.
Great video and comparisons! Definitely started chuckling when you went REALLY over the top with the tremolo!
Curious question - do locking tuners fully eliminate the need for locking nuts in general, or is this something that's specific/exclusive to Kiesel's hipshot system?
Currently I don't have a guitar that has ANY sort of tremolo system, and I want to be able to play and experiment with the floyd rose-style dive bombs and tremolo wackiness. That said, Floyd Roses in particular sound like a major hassle to deal with - especially if you want to change tunings, which my band does. Kiesel's system is REALLY enticing, since it pretty much functions like a regular guitar with added flare.
At the same time though, while Kiesel's are great guitars in their own right, they aren't what I'm primarily into - I'm not into getting a kiesel guitar for the hipshot tremolo alone. I'd LOVE to get their type of tremolo system on a Dunable, if that's possible - or is Kiesel the only company that make tremolo systems like that? (I know Dunable doesn't make that, but there are other companies making tremolo systems too - can you get the same benefits with other brands, as long as the locking tuners are in place?)
Thank you. Absolutely, buy a high quality guitar that has a great quality tremolo with locking tuners that feature a high ratio (17/19:1) and you are golden. You can also install them on any guitar afterwards. I am not a fan of FR style tremolos either, as you need an Allen key, etc.. With this kind of system, you have the same kind of stability, and can tune it just like a "regular" kind of guitar. The American Ultra Strats by Fender have it too, as do Music Mans, Suhrs, etc.. I wouldn't buy a Kiesel, if I were you either.
@@Alienadin Just curious why you replied to him with this part...(I wouldn't buy a Kiesel, if I were you either.) ?? just curious because I am looking at Kiesel guitars at the minute if you have some insight here ?
@@Scubasgamecorner Because Jeff Kiesel is an insecure control freak, and banned me, just because I had spoken up a change to the AS option, which would have made the system pretty much pointless. Just buy one and shut the hell up, or else.
@@Alienadin good to know , thanks for the insight
2 questions...
1. How far SHARP can you pull with that trem?
2. I noticed you have the piezo saddles. Any idea how those compare with the Music Man piezo, like on the JP line?
Thanks!
Sorry for the late reply. Was never notified. On the Ibanez a perfect 4th on the G string with nicely low string action. On the Kiesel a minor to major third tops. I have never played a JP Music Man, so I don't know.
@@Alienadin thanks! Yeah I searched around and found exactly what you're saying regarding the tremolo. So it solidifies that the Ibanez is the right guitar for me as I really need maximum range. Appreciate the reply!
Great video. In my experience a standard nut with a trem wears down after a while as the strings cut through the nut with every trem use.. Doesn't happen with floyd rose
Get a tusq nut, should fix any issue with wear and tuning
Great playing man I really enjoyed your review! I was wondering, in comparison, which trem do you think is more flexible In terms of range of pitch bending? I love the amount you can pull the pitch up on a Floyd, but do you think the kiesel has that same level of flexibility? If so, I think the hipshot is definitely the way to go for me. Thanks!
Well, if you want ultra low string action, you can pull up a minor third on the G string with the Hipshot tremolo and the Edge trem, but if you sacrifice a bit of the string action, whilst still keeping it comfortably low, you can do a perfect 4th on the G string with the Edge, so that would be the winner, if that is what matters most to you. Thanks, mate.
Great video!! Thanks!! What model Kiesel is that? Beautiful!!
Sure thing, bud. It's DC600.
Wooooow, I thought I needed a locking nut this whole time. You just blew my whole belief system out of the water lol. Great playing dude!🤘
You are most welcome. Yeah, I used to think so too. Turns out high ratio locking tuners are just as good, and more convenient. Thanks a lot.
@@Alienadin no problem! I mean I'll admit, floyd rose trems and the locking nut just look totally bad ass but the amount of hassle to restring...I just don't think it's worth it if Kiesel's trem is this good.
hey man! do you know if hipshot contour is pretty much the same as kiesel hipshot? Have you tried it?
Almost identical. The tremolo bar is different. That's pretty much it.
@@Alienadin ok, thanks !
Do you like the ibanez RG neck ? What are the pros and cons of that prestige guitar (and japanese made rgs in general)
I generally do, although it's a bit wider that I find ideal, but it still plays great.
Is changing tunings as painful as a floyd, or you can just change not worry about the bridge ?
If you change strings one by one it's super easy, but it's pretty comparable to a Floyd Rose tremolo overall, since they are both floating. You don't have to use an Allen key for anything though, which makes it far more convenient in my book.
So how does it compare to the Gotoh 510?
I don't have one of those, so I really can't say.
Can you downtune on the kiesel tremolo like if it was a fixed bridge?
Of course not, other than maybe drop D.
@@Alienadin so drop c is a no go on this trem? If so why?
Is this recessed bridge?
@@LegatoTactics Yes, of course.
@@Alienadin Because it looks like it;'s not
God I miss playing my 1992 Carvin DC 200 Koa with Sperzels. My girl needs love, and a new module, she's been out of service since 2012. I called Kiesel and they said they could install a new module for me, wooHoo !
Cool. It's important to make the most of one's guitars.
I can find the trem system of the Ibanez way more smoother and more expressive .
Why, good for you, mate. I am perfectly fine with either one really. Just prefer not having to use an Allen key.
I agree with you. Maybe Alienadin has changed his mind over time by now.
Are you sure you’re meant to pull up on all locking trems? I have this problem on my RGs but not on my guitars with a legit Floyd rose. I think it’s edge pro / Ibanez design floor.. I do have an S series with a ZR and that stays in tune great
Yes, I am absolutely sure. That's why they are floating, and recessed. Mine stays in tune wonderfully as well.
what model guitar is that may I ask
Kiesel DC600X
locking tuners is not the same as the locking nut. locking tuners do not lock the gears, they just lock the string into the tuner.
And add tuning stability, provided the have a high ratio. What they seem to do is make a locking trem obsolete, is what I was attempting to communicate.
Regarding the Kiesel/Hipshot trem - Have you ever noticed the tremolo arm to slowly work its way up in the socket while you're playing?
Sometimes I notice the bar feels like its sitting higher and I have push the bar back down in the socket after using it a lot. It happens very slowly so its not immediately noticeable.
Sorry for the late response. You can tighten the bar using a tiny Allen Key. It's a bit hard to get to, but that should take care of your issue.
with respect... Locking tuners do not do the same functions as a lock nut. A lock TUNER does eliminate one of the tuning stability issues of wrap pinging string getting loosened and tightened over and over where strings can change the wrapping positions and be tighter or loser. But the main reason still does not get addressed with locking TUNERS which is... Strings getting tension getting stuck infant of behind the nut. Of course a fine nut with graphite can help when using locking TUNERS but a lock nut completely eliminates both issues.
this comes into play on guitars with bad nuts more than a fine KIESEL
Removes two issues adds 20
That’s why I ordered headless.
I’ve had Floyd rose or licensed FR since ‘86 on the then new Charvel Jackson’s
I have 3 model 5s ‘86 and two ‘87s never had tuning issues once locked in place
Gigged the ‘86 exclusively for years only breaking one E string on stage in 17 years and as you know with a floating bridge that’s
a useless instrument
So the same piece in black as a backup
The ‘86 came with a Kahler, I have several older guitars with that bridge, not bad for a surface mount system
And the Carvins are Wilkinsons with locking tuners
But all the Ibanez’ from my old Jem 77 bfp to a Paul Gilbert signature “F hole” to RGs are all Floyd’s and all great
So I’m a little apprehensive since the custom Aries neck through has the bridge you have demonstrated
Hopefully it can be adjusted tight in position I never liked the swing bar thing and the “Warble” that I first heard from Brad Gillis feels better
and is one one my favorite spices, but only a few through a night
Thank for the Demo
What guitar model do you have ?
In this video I am playing a Kiesel DC600X and a modded (gold hardware) Ibanez RG652AHM NGB.
What is that Kiesel, and how do i get one exactly like it? It looks freaking amazing!!
It's an ST300, which has sadly been discontinued.
@@Alienadin it´s not bro, DC600! I think you should know that haha cheers!
Just the info I was looking for, thanks!
Great to hear. Thanks for the comment.
I think that Kiesel Vanquish on Reverb just sold itself. By by Floyd Rose.
Locking tuners are NOT the same as a locking nut. The stability on the nut is better. I know-had a Dc127c with an original Floyd and no locking nut and oh, boy....also had an Ibanez Prestige. MUCH BETTER.
My Kiesels stay in tune even better than my locking tremolo guitars though.
Cool
Thx.
The kiesel guitar,,i didnt see you bend the string.. dive bomb+cek tune and than bend the string+cek tune .. thats the rule for demo bridge tremolo
I think I did a little more than that. I put them through realistic situations.
@@Alienadin thanks for reply.. im so frustrated with my strat.. when im bend the string after divebomb,,always out of tune, especially the G string.. when i fix the G string and go with divebomb,the G string running out.. is that the HIPSHOT TREMSETTER can fix my strat..?
@@gitarbangsatchanel8036 Lube the nut!!!
GITAR BANGSAT chanel This happens to every guitar with a whammy bar, if your talking about after bending the G string? (Even the very best locking Trems).
It’s because the tension is distributed unevenly after a “G string bend,” due to the G string having more tension (on the bend) and less on the trem springs.
After it’s released the Trems tension is redistributed to the other strings. Leaving the G string slightly out of tune, needing the bar to be dipped so it redistributes the correct tension across all strings.
Something trem users have to live with, just like unison bends always being out of tune.
@@jazznotes3802 check this video .. i think the best tremolo demo on youtube ..
m.ua-cam.com/video/cwGcY6T4xHc/v-deo.html
nice job yo
Thx, bro.
New subscriber here.
Many thanks.
Anyone here have the same positive hipshot trem experience with a Kiesel headless?
your ibanez might be a bit screwed up, because all of my floyd guitars stay in tune much better -_-
It's set up very nicely and stays in tune very well.
I just got my first Kiesel trem and I have to say it feels much better then Floyd Rose or Edge by Ibanez. Check out the demo for the beauty: ua-cam.com/video/WmmiLTcwRnM/v-deo.html
the frist guitar
Ah yes, but can it withstand Eruption....
Easily.
You abused the locking tremolo way more than the standard.
That’s some good abusing
I am licensed: ua-cam.com/video/SqkGeHt8Yig/v-deo.html
How does it compare to the Gotoh 510?
I don't know.