Pay to Win is Good for Mmorpgs
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- Disclaimer: Pay to Win is a problem in society. Explaining why it can be a benefit for anything is no simple task, but in this video, I try to explain why Pay to Win in mmorpgs is a good thing when done well. Keep in mind that Pay to Win is a blanket statement, so talking about all the intricacies of the concept in a single video is impossible and I didn't even try to in this one. In this video I am not talking about all Pay to Win, but I am talking about Pay to Win in mmorpgs, or "massively multiplayer online role play games." I discuss the difference between Pay to Win when done well and Pay to Win when done terribly in the video, but a short summary here for those leaving after reading the description is as follows: "Pay to Win in mmorpgs where players suffer competitive disadvantages in skill-based content such as ranked pvp (player vs player) is trash and I will never approve of it. Pay to Win that is done for pacing purposes allowing players to catch up to pve (player vs environment) content and or get advantages in content where there is no long-term significant reason to rush completing it is a good thing."
In this video I explain why I feel that way as I deep dive into the heart of Pay to Win in mmorpgs and why it has become a thing in every mainstream mmorpg that exists in the modern-day market (and yes every popular mmorpg is pay to win even if players do not want to admit it because at the very least RMT [RMT, or "real money trading" is when players give money to outside sources for money in game and this is very difficult to regulate] is a thing that exists). You probably already knew that this video is from the lense of the UA-camr presenting it and it is by no means something you should take as cold indomitable fact. I hold some bias for and against things as I am merely an organism capable of complex thought. Just because I could formulate my thoughts on the subject into an organized video doesn't mean my opinion is any more valid than your own, but you have to give me credit for at least doing my research and showing that I did experience many of the events in recent gaming history that I referenced in the video. That being said, you should draw your own conclusions on things based off of rational thought, research, and reasoning. And lastly, as a reminder, I am not saying pay to win is a good thing, I am saying pay to win at the time of me publishing this video is a good thing for mmorpgs when done well. I will stand by this until superior proven systems are introduced into the mmorpg market, but as things currently stand in society, I believe we are a long way off from ever getting this, and no, there are zero systems without pay to win in any way shape or form for any internationally massively successful mmorpgs. Feel free to try to find them though, but keep in mind that they do not exist. Also, keep in mind that my definition of an mmorpg, that I explain in the video, may be a bit different than what you consider mmorpgs to be. Anyways, that is it for the disclaimer! Even if you hate me and or the topic of this video, I hope you enjoy(ed) the video!
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:19 Example of a 'fair" gaming world
2:43 Why current mainstream mmorpgs can't be "fair"
5:15 The "Play to Win" dilemma
8:21 The "Pay to Win" dilemma
10:01 Another problem new mmorpgs combat
10:53 My main argument starts here
12:45 Western vs Korean view on pay to win
14:24 Continuing my main argument
18:34 Final thoughts - Ігри
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Cas, I get your point that there is no such thing as a "fair" mmorpg. People with more time should always be on top in these games though, right? I get that the casuals would quit if there was no way for them to keep up, and if the content slows down than the hardcore would quit, but isn't that the same for all mmorpgs? It all comes down to pacing. Plus, pay to win is simply predatory. I know you are I are smart enough not to waste out money, but not everyone can control themselves. Real life is pay to win. I don't want my favorite games to be pay to win as well. Granted I didn't really watch the whole video since it was too long. It it was a 10 second tiktok than I think it would have more views.
Most of these p2w games rely on the same psychology as casino and slot operators but somehow aren't regulated the same.
Real life isn't ptw because money is an in-game currency.
The problem with pay to win is that the majority of the time the quality of the game isn't the priority its the monetization.
Yeah, it is a shame when that happens to games
As an addition to this, having a system where you can trade in-game items (like really rare weapons/drops) for real money, or at the very least, allowing it and not banning people from doing that also encourages people to play more, because if they really want/need to, they can grind out something that other people find tedious, and use that money elsewhere.
(No idea if any of this made sense, or if my point came across at all)
Not the type of content I would have expected from you, but not a bad thing at all. I enjoyed this analysis a lot, these types of discussions, while unpopular, are necessary to understand. Would love to hear more analysis from you in the future.
I don't play mmorpgs anymore since they were too pay to win, but you explained the concept of a good pay to win model vs a bad pay to win model really well. I really liked the video! I didn't think I would ever say that about a video talking positively about p2w in any way. I do agree with you though that it is still a problem though, and while it does seem to work right now and accomplishes many things for the mmorpg community, I am sure there are a lot of even better models to be found for the future! I hope that some big brain developers out there can come up with a way to replace the pay to win model, or at least somehow get rid of RMT since it truly does make every game pay to win. I knew that way before watching this video. But yeah, entertaining video Cas. I think the topic is a great talking point at the very least. I was genuinely scared when I saw the title of the video and the thumbnail, but I was pleasantly surprised that I did not get angry while watching the video, and I really liked the ending. Great closing statement! Slightly cringe, but a very warm one and I appreciated it.
I hope this gets more views. You said you worked hard on this video on stream and hopefully it doesn't go to waste
I originally ignored the video as it wasn't your normal content, but when I saw it recommended to me a second time I gave it a go, and man I really hope the UA-cam algorithm is good to this video, it is actually really good. Since it isn't your normal content, it will probably get a bad click to seen ratio or whatever that system is called, but I hope it somehow makes it through to people. My only criticism is some of your thoughts seem incomplete, like you had a whole bunch to say and then only said the important things rather than saying everything you wanted to say. I think the flow of the video was really good overall though. Right when I thought you were going on a mini tangent, you proved that the mini tangent was important for the bigger point you were making. I personally spend a bit of money in the video games I enjoy for convenience, but I never thought it was necessarily a good thing. Very well delivered video Cas and it has made me at least look at pay to win for mmorpgs a bit differently.
I can imagine one thing: Is not about if the p2w car is cool and goes faster than the f2p car, is about the pavement and the environment both cars are driving.
If the game is as long, empty and soulless to progress, then those players feel how MANDATORY is to pay mtx to get to the “good part”.
Cas, keep making banger videos you’re doing awesome!
I don't think you realise how controversial statement you just made, Cas :p
Love this style of content! Very well done analysis
can u stream mr krabs overdoses on ketamine on ur twitch? please :3
P2w would instantly kill most of my favorite games.
Criticism for this video:
The subject is great, your explanations are solid, however as someone who knows your content from before it was the only reason I didn’t skip the video completely-
It was really hard to get through the beginning of the video, I cannot pinpoint exactly why, but it kind of feels like the video is a satire there even when it’s not, it’s very messy in the beginning for sure, you quickly establish great arguments and reasonings the longer you talk, however...
on such a sensitive topic to the gaming community I can see why anyone who randomly stumbles across your video and doesn’t know you would immediately be scared to click away, scared because the video format in the beginning is not inviting me enough to challenge my perspective, again- the only factor keeping me here was that I knew you and your content previously so I kept watching to see it all.
the video overall was still great and eye opening even when I share similar views you still brought me an even broader perspective! Keep making these off brand videos for sure!
man i can’t believe you changed my mind on pay to win like for years i have been told that it is the worst thing in the world but for your just one video i have changed my view on the matter thanks a lot
Remember, it is still not a good thing for every game though and still needs to have a good balance or it is bad. It is good for mmorpgs right now compared to the alternative systems in my opinion. I am really glad you liked the video though gamer
I kind of havve to agree. it's not to feel superior. I mean I criticize my friends for spending money on games. I feel like don't care about other people. Just enjoy yourself even if you're gonna pay
Thanks! Much different video but still good.
a very interesting video
Nice point you rise. Hope it'll make some players to take i minute to think about it c:
I also refuse to play a game that I'll feel encouraged to spend money to feel "caught up", this is a vague requirement, for example ff14 passes because they're the skips aren't for endgame but apex does not because the battle pass ruined my enjoyment of the game. Titanfall 2 for the win. (Yeah this isn't a counter to your points I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents)
Yeah, I feel that completely. I am glad that the battle pass rewards don't actually give any gameplay advantage for example, but they certainly can make one feel forced to play a game more or to play it a certain way
Honestly I think a game can just sell you exp boost, itens or wathever but I also think that a game shouldn't have a overpowered item locked behind a paywall which can be only acessed by buying it, if it's obtainable for everybody without paying it's not a problem but when it becomes a pay to win exclusive it becomes a problem.
yeah, that is when pay to win is done terribly and I hate that too
I get what you are trying to say but you are just wrong objectively in many areas whilst sprinkling in a lot of subjectivity. So I'll use your all encompassing analogy you gave @ 12:45 comparing the ferrari to toyota camri on the red light.. You are saying the Ferrari player was doing the "green light content" immediately when it was available because he rushed, while simultaneously implying toyota camri is also doing the same content - it just took him say 2 months extra to get there..
You wrong fundamentally; the player in the ferrari is doing ALL the activities at that tier score (which in your example he paid for with real money) NOT JUST THE RAID which you indirectly imply - these activities are rewarding a significant larger amount of gold and rewards, a lot of which are tradeable. The camri player doesn't get to do them or benefit from them whatsoever. This means ferrari player was able to manipulate and/or benefit from the economy and auction house market for months, make hundreds of thousands of gold and additional account wide perks on other characters as a result of higher level (alt boosts and perks)..
Pay 2 win or players who paid for progression in lost ark have a huge edge - full jewelry sets, books, gems etc. all because they did content for longer but more importantly THEY DID THE CONTENT FIRST - and that is key, FIRST means they get to sell rewards and materials at the highest prices.. By the time camri players get there, these things aren't worth the same if anything at all.
Also, you referenced the wale as "Pay to play less".. throwing a jab at the fact they might mess up at mechanics because they play less..lol You do realize the fact they rushed first means they get to play those raids first, more times than the camri players right??...The wales are technically much more experienced in these raids because they have been doing them for longer than anyone else..
Yeah, I mean this is stuff that most people, including myself, are aware of and it is a problem. In the video I was arguing that pay to win is better than play to win for mmorpgs. Pay to win still has issues, but right now I don't see a better alternative. Too much pay to win kills games and "nobody" plays them, but too much play to win kills games almost always faster and harder unless sometimes in Korea in the past (from the resources I've found available). In the West pay to win mechanics in mmorpgs right now seem to be a necessity, but I truly hope someone smarter than myself can figure out a way for this not to be the case. But yeah, I mainly made the video to talk about why pay to win is "good" compared to the previous alternatives that have failed in the past, and that ferrari comparison was just a comparison I took from a popular Korean Lost Ark streamer. In Lost Ark I agree though, the whales who also play a lot in Lost Ark have a really large power gap. The free to play players who keep up have to work so much harder it is absurd, and most of them will probably get burned out. I still play Lost Ark from time to time as a free to play player, but I notice the problems and I have struggled with content, but with the people I run with we don't have many problems, albeit many of them do pay some money. I hope you enjoyed the rest of the video though, and I really hope that a better mmorpg comes out soon that takes the world by storm. None of this nonsense like Diablo immortal, but perhaps something hopeful like Ashes of creation. I truly hope somehow the gaming companies can create a model that works without ruining the competitive spirit in these games. Sure, if pvp is equalized that helps, but like pve is way more important to most players I would say. I hope the video wasn't too annoying to watch. Have a great day fellow mmorpg fan. Let's cross our fingers for a brighter gaming future.
I do agree with money doesn't need to be in the game in some way I'm just afraid some games shouldn't be for kids because once they get negative gold primo gems um's destiny points etc This means their account could get shut down and then they're just going to feel like not playing anymore we're playing but play on a regular level still if they like that character it's gonna hurt them and I hurt them but they won't know what they did was wrong I don't believe in punishing children with children with such big things as not paying off a car at a young age Maybe have the game ask your age and by your age that's what type of item you can buy but that doesn't seem like gut solution it is like cable and cable needs money but I but I can see where you're coming from
Play to Win dilemma. Your whole point is wrong... Even in real life for example Sports or Video Editing, Streaming etc. People who invest more time/research/education, will be more successful than people who just work 8 hours a day and than go home. Dedication brings fruits, In real life and games. For example: You are sniper. You train 5000 hours. And than there is average Joe who train only for 500 hours. Who is better or more experienced sniper? Of course that guy with 5000 hours invested. And even if that average Joe, spend 10 000 dollar's on Equipment, he would not be better sniper, than the guy who spend 10 times more time.
From whole your video, I can only figurate, that you are missing the MAIN POINT, why people hate P2W.
Paying for materials, weapons, skins etc is not a problem for any gamer out there. The main problem is, that game developers are selling materials, weapons, skins etc that are added to the game economy from thin air. If developers, would be able to sell only items that were dropped or in any shape or form acquired from GAME PLAY. Than there would be no problem at all.
Simply, Player drop item. Than sell that item to the developers for Real Money, or In game currency, and than that Item could be sold to another player for Real money.
There would be still happy whale, happy player who got paid for his gameplay, and the game would keep its economy because, there would not be influx of items from thin air.
The "Play to Win" dilemma only existed because people who didn't play as much as other people complained they couldn't keep up no matter what they did. The problem ended up being the games poor pacing and there being no ceiling. Also, I do wish that your point was true about the sniper argument. Of course, the sniper with more time would be a better sniper, but unfortunately this does not apply to the majority things in life. Money = overall success more than effort up to a certain point, with only the exceptional and intelligent efforts bearing any substantial fruit. Real life is very pay to win, not play to win. Lost Ark is good for a lot of reasons, and bad for a few, but one good reason is that there is a soft ceiling at 1400 in LA, so players do not need to rush forever with no end in sight to do all end game content but since there is a hard ceiling at 1490 it also keeps players knowing that they still have farming and stuff to do if they so choose. This model is good for the casuals and the hardcore.
Remember from the point I made in the video, that companies felt forced to add pay to win as it started showing that it could combat the problem of players playing all day as well. It is unfortunate that we went this route, and that is why I still call pay to win a problem "that I am not qualified enough to solve, but it isn't THE problem." The problem is "Us" because we complain no matter what we are given. So rather than complaining we should try to come up with solutions, and I made the video to help people at least realize that we are mad at pay to win, when we should be thinking of ways to actually get rid of it. In order to get rid of pay to win, we need to understand why it is a thing in mmorpgs, and a large part of it existing is for pacing purposes so players do not need to play all day to succeed and still be productive in real life, and this has been explained by companies' time and time again, but we don't listen. If that is their underhanded reasoning for making terrible pay to win models, well their game fails, and their voices don't get heard. Since Lost Ark is very popular, hopefully people can begin to realize this when they pay attention to the devs reasoning for placing certain things in the shop, and we need to make it very clear to smilegate what is accepted or not accepted. That way, we may eventually find a solution through the mist, but right now I can't think of any solution. Your point that "if they only sell items that were dropped in any way shape or form from GAME PLAY, Than there would be no problem at all," has a lot of merit and I really love that point! I completely agree for the most part. I think that materials being added to the game is no problem, as some servers will have more or less people on them, so it could make materials way too expensive for players to buy if demand far exceeds supply. Having materials with a flat worth in the shop helps materials never get too expensive. Remember when Mari's shop in LA used to help players get materials because tier 3 mats were like 150 gold per 10 when the shop sold them 22 gold for 10 (when exchanging royal crystals and buying them). This was for Una server about a week after the game was released in the west, and I hear it was even worse on other servers for a short time. That being said, I do agree with you that royal crystals are lame in lost ark, and I still am trying to understand better why they are in the game (they sell royal crystals in the shop but you can't obtain them in game. I originally had a section on this in the video, but I cut it like I cut a lot of things to make the video shorter). For example, I think that if all royal crystal items in the Lost Ark shop were instead bought with blue crystals than some things may be better. My only guess is that not being able to farm royal crystals forces players at the very least to buy royal crystals to help add some revenue to the game, as Korean mmorpgs are required to make a certain amount of money in order to keep the servers running. I am glad that royal crystals are mainly used for cosmetic items, reskin tickets, and then like powerpasses which will come later which is just an optional time save which again incentivizes players to spend less time in game and make money in real life. I didn't say Lost Arks pay to win model is perfect though, just that it works very well. Your description of a good pay to win model follows WoW's model, which I also think is a pretty solid pay to win model. I just wish that WoW itself was different, because the game requires players to give an incredible amount of time to the game just to compete with other people and participate in the end game raids, or to pay money and hope that they can do the bare minimum and get carried. Don't get me wrong though, I do love WoW a lot, I just have personal gripes as it really hurt my older sister, but that is neither here nor there. WoW does some things right and wrong, and so does Lost Ark, but at the end of the day, both games are successful for important reasons. In Lost Ark it does not require either of that though to be successful (no excess time spent playing or money spent as the progression system is very fast for the above average player who knows how to make gold and plays efficiently), so I think the game and the p2w model work together a bit better than Wow's, even though it is hard to put into words as to why this is. It is something that is felt by a player rather than explained, and for me I find that to be a very cool thing. Overall though, I really appreciated such a detailed comment, and I do hope you watched the whole video rather than just the pay to win and play to win dilemma sections! Have an amazing day and much love! Remember you are amazing, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!
Okay I want to question the take on 15:29. I would not compare play to win to comunism at all. It's rather the base idea of capitalism, but the game doesn't recreate the power mecanism between classes. I don't really have the time to spend further discussing this, I was just sharing the fact that your position felt weird at this moment.
Yeah, when making the video I just looked up the definition of the isms as I needed a refresher of them, and while researching I saw that communism had systems in place where if you're lazy you will never succeed so I drew the comparison to play to win. Since communism is so political and eye catching I thought it would be an eye catching comparison, but as I read more I saw how different communism truly is from video games so I put that little disclaimer on screen. The base comparison of my example of play to win did fit with the base summary definition of communism though, so I went with it. Sorry if it wasn't a fun comparison.
@@CasualtyYT I don't mind, but I think that there is place for an interesting analysis when it comes to pay to win depending on the game. There is a French speaking UA-camr who posted something recently about Monopoly, and how games can represent political systems and or ideologies. That makes the concept of pay to win into an interesting subject.
Anyway, I hope you keep having good times on this platform.
@@enkimaries4867 That sounds like a video I would enjoy! If you link it in this comment thread I will try to watch it some time
@@CasualtyYT Sure! There it is!
ua-cam.com/video/tpQ9vyUkB4E/v-deo.html
I fell sorry that there isn't subtiles, or that it's not possible anymore to create subtiles. That could have been helpful.
Loot boxes in games where underaged people is definitely on the bad side of this.
so underrated
Korean MMOS are always p2w copy-paste sludge because they're played in pc bangs and a game needs a certain amount of profit to even stay legal since the SK gov taxes everything related to videogames on a flat basis.
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Bro!
Good video! 😄
The Thing is also people Like asmongold will always think that lost ark is p2w and because of that people will follow Look at Korea for example where the p2w turns into p2l because it literally dosent matter a f2p Player will get to the point where the whale pays anyways its just that many Things that Korea Has are missing over there for US that close the gap between the P2W and F2P
That is a very good point. I hope that this can change a bit through the passing of time. Asmongold is pretty smart as well though. I am sure he understands that mmorpgs being pay to win isn't something that can be easily discarded. It is very true though that Korea has things we don't though
@@CasualtyYT and you also Need to Look at the fact that when brelshaza Hard Released the whales didnt finish it 1st but the guild of f2p players + the hellmode of Legion raids is Skill based at the end of the Day it requires you to reach a certain point of gear score yes BUT in hellmode you make your own lodauts you get maxed out gems everything so i personally at least dont really See how the game is p2w p2p yes but Not p2w
@@nebsi4202 Yeah, honestly you're not "winning" anything in Lost Ark for paying money is an argument I hear a lot. You are still winning in terms of getting higher gear score, winning as in getting more expensive accs etc, but money can't buy skill, and that helps Lost Ark be a perfect example of a game that can't be ruined through pay to win as long as free to play players ca reasonably complete all content for the minimal amount of currency necessary to keep progressing at a steady pace. I for one do not think Lost Ark is pay to win for the most important flex content, such as ranked pvp and hellmode, but it still is technically "Pay to Win" for gearing up, and there is no denying that. Gearing up doesn't mean much though, as your gear only matters so much if you can't compete mechanics or do proper dps rotations, or time your defensive skills properly etc. Skilled players > whales any day of the week. A skilled whale is pretty fun too, but they're not very common
everytime i see someone defend p2w is a big ol loser.. you put p2w into a game it tends to die faster then anything else before it.. just monthly sub is all you need.... el;se it becomes world of tanks or everquest 2.. the list goes on.. diablo immortal..
I will start making this comment at the start of the video if anything said in the video changes my mind i will edit it:
This idea that we need pay to win to make people happy by proggresing fast is kinda falling apart when keeping in mind that there is other games to play that gives you the stuff you want without paying
The concept of pay to win i like but the execution is not great with the pop up ads and having to pay to proggres/get certain items it is like communism sounds great on paper but not in practice
In the article about the taiwanese gamer "hsieh" when you say he died from exhaustion but it says he died from a heart attack witch whould have happened anyways since he was in a bad mental state and probably whould have been awake doing something else instead so gaming realisticly isnt waht killed him
You use a lot of mind tricks by throwing around these existensial questions
Pay to win is not a soulotion to any of the questions it is just a temporary coverup
If there is anything in the video i have missed or someone wants me to talk more about what i have said please tell me so i am happy to have a friendly conversation about it (also no hate to casualty)
I think you are a very smart person, and I agree with your perspective very much so! Pay to win was supposed to be used as a solution for certain problems, such as excessive play to win, but it is still a problem we created. It makes companies think about pacing, sure, but it makes companies think about pacing for monetary gain rather than pacing for the best overall player experience. The two can go hand in hand, but almost always the balance is poor and ruins a game. I hope that a better system comes out to replace pay to win, but right now it isn't going anywhere as long as RMT exists.
In the article with hsieh, I did say that the man could have made better decisions, and while he did die to a heart attack, this heart attack could easily have been avoided if he did not spend all his time inside playing video games. Video games are a stagnant activity that requires mental and physical attention while providing the body with very limited physical activity and few opportunities to obtain nutrition without sacrificing productivity in the game being played. If hsieh was doing something else, like binge watching shows all day or some other stagnant hobby, he would still be at least eating and resting as there is no rush for him to complete said activity. With extra rest and nutrition, his likeliness of having a heart attack drastically decreases as he would have better blood flow and energy. Other than that though, I agree with all your points to a certain degree. In terms of the mind tricks, I certainly didn't use trickery, but I did ask questions every once in a while. I don't see how that is malicious. It is just a strategy to keep people engaged and paying attention to the subject matter. Lectures are boring if there is no engagement or questions asked, etc. I am glad that the video was at the bare minimum mentally stimulating. I wasn't trying to change anyone's mind. I was merely presenting my argument and why I think the way I do on the subject matter. Have a good one gamer
5th!
In my opinion, a mmorpg is supposed to be play to win, in a way that makes you fell accomplished when you finally get a level up. People usually think that an mmo starts with the endgame stuff, but, for me, the journey needs to be equally thrilling.
I agree completely. The journey is supposed to be wonderful, and I love the RP elements of a good mmorpg. I wish more people thought that way, especially gaming companies. Newer mmorpgs tend to think more about skill balance and balancing revenue and end game expedience. The early game and story sets the mood for the whole game, and should be done well. Sadly, a game that makes more money tends to be able to make quests more detailed and enjoyable, but there are exceptions to that too. I hope a great mmorpg comes out soon with a beautiful story and fair end game. Lost Ark did pretty well with the story, and the pay to win isn't unbearable, but there are other problems with Lost Ark that I wish didn't exist. I am crossing my fingers for something new and exciting soon, hopefully a great mmorpg.
haha jotaro zeus
Lol
Amogus
Youst realised im first
"The hard workers will thrive while the lazy will be losers". That's not communism, that's meritocracy. What you do for a living is not up to you, it's up to The Party. And whether you thrive or not does not depend on how hard you work - after all, everyone is supposed to be equal, so you won't get any more that's already been assigned to you. I'm sorry, but that point was a complete miss on your part.
I understand that perspective, but gaming companies do not agree with you. Pay to win is better than play to win not because it is inherently a better experience or a more fair one, but because it allows the game to include more players in the long run which all games aim to do. An mmorpg with no aspects of pay to win either needs some sort of reset button that occurs every once in a while, a system which veteran players cannot get too far ahead, or a system that allows them to catch up to the veteran players. Sadly though, all of these solutions will make loyal veteran players less likely to want to continue playing the game since all their hard work means very little. Gaming companies want to try to appeal to both the hardcore and the casual audience in order to be as inclusive as possible. This will make the most potential money for the company and allow for the most overall success of the game in the long run. I don't like it much at all personally, and I truly hope that gaming companies will somehow find a way to make a massively popular mmorpg that has no pay to win or pay to progress elements at all, but in the current gaming state that seems unlikely to happen anytime soon, since having these paid elements works better than the alternative for the average gamer and to pretty much all major gaming companies. I am very excited for Ashes of Creation though. I hear pretty good things about it. In terms of saying "the 'lazy' will be losers forever in a completely play to progress environment" that is 100% true. Lazy gamers or busy people with full time jobs, family, or other obligations, no matter what they do or how much they care about a play to win game, will never be able to succeed in PvP and PvE content as much as someone who plays more than they do with the same skillset. That would basically make the "lazy" person not want to play the game as much and gaming companies don't want that, especially since the people with full time jobs, often have more money to burn on their favorite games compared to the younger audiences. There should always be a balance between play to win and pay to win, and right now one does not seem to be able to exist without the other, at least if it wants to appeal to as many people as possible. I personally don't like that and wish that all games could reward hard work much more than just paying money, but I am just one voice and I recognize the importance of having a pay to win balance. Have a good day gamer, I hope the video wasn't too hard to watch.
@@CasualtyYT Hey man, just to clear up, I was only criticizing that point separately. Not in the context of the topic of your video essay. Of course pay to win is better for the company financially. I just fundamentally disagreed with how you ended up describing communism with that comparison.
@@nistarok123 Yeah, that's fair, there are many different definitions of communism, and that comparison merely fit the definition I had on hand. Sorry if it offended. Have a great day gamer
Absolute legend. Definitely changed my mind about Pay to Win. Thank you.
F2p is good if your ready to stay in home only 🤣.
P2w is good if you want to join war.
For me p2w is a thing you sould do at balance I agree with that.
Just play FFXIV and all problems are over