NGSW A Marine's Perspective
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In this video we take a look at the army's new next generation weapons system the XM7 also known as the Sig Spear, and we see what someone who has actual combat experience and actual time behind a Sig Spear thinks of the rifle.
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“I’m just a guy who lives in the woods with too many guns”. Man, I want to be just like you when I grow up!!! 😂
🤣 thanks for watching man!
Co-sign... LOL
I believe Mark Walberg said that in the Shooter movie.
@Carl H Yup. This guy just ripped that right out of the script, except Wahlberg referred to himself as a "peckerwood."
There is no such thing as too many guns…
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, one of the most underrated channels on UA-cam. Great content again. Thank you.
Really appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
I think that the biggest introduction of the NGSW program is the XM157 Optic. Having an integrated ballistics computer that adjusts the reticle is incredible. And it can have the IR Designator within, which combined with the new night vision, means that you don't even really need an IR designator.
The optic is really the only thing I’m interested in about this weapon system. I’ve got $5k saved for when it hits the civilian market. This rifle hasn’t done anything that a 143gr AP .308 bullet out of a POF Rouge couldn’t do for less money
@@evildrizzt1 I do think the impressive thing was getting that velocity out of a 13" barrel, and I think it probably has better terminal performance and range, but it's still a bit niche. I would have liked to see the RM277, but that's just the bullpup fan in me, and I liked the idea of polymer ammo (especially in MG's).
@@wipplewopple1876 I’m not interested in re-inventing old technology. Caseless ammo is the future. Rather spend money on revisiting vehicle mounted electromagnetic rail weapon concept. With the leaps we’ve had in battery technology, I think we could get a handheld model by 2040.
If soldiers could just melt metals down into bullets and then fire them out of rifles, then there will be no need to spend so much money sourcing ammunition and shipping it to FOBs.
We’ll just ship bud light overseas. Drink the beer, melt the cans down and you’re good to go.
@@gpheonix1 I have seen that episode. I stand by what I’ve already said. If arcflash labs had sig’s development budget, then we would have a working military grade prototype by 2040.
We’re spending hundreds of billions in development of next gen aircraft but majority of the 85 conflicts fought around the world today are using small arms.
@@evildrizzt1 no we wouldnt. the problem is reliable compact batteries. we dont have that and throwing money at that doesnt create innovation. not any time soon. research and gathering finds the people who have the ideas for that innovation.
Loving the XM7 content, keep it up, hopefully yall can get some more of the full house 6.8x51 in for testing 👌
That is some cool stuff. Thanks for watching!
Love your content brother keep up the great, high quality work
6.8 is long overdue. Sadly, we needed this in Afghanistan over a decade ago.. Coming from a grunt
Very true, and while I’m a fan of the gun and the round, part of me wonders if this is an answer to a conflict that is seemingly over. Thanks for watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal If we get involved in europe again or issues with china, it can become a asset on the field. A good read is the military white paper on the 556 failure in afganistan
Well, we usually equip our military to fight the last war, not the next one right?
That being said, given the reported performance of this round vs body armor and current geopolitical tensions with China, maybe this is forward looking….
@@AlabamaArsenal I think this gun will work well in any future conflicts. I think it will give our guys greater range and lethality and still be able to conduct room clearing. I think the dedicated door kickers in SF will still continue to use some variant of the M4 in 5.56
@Matthew Smith honestly, I see this gun as more of a DMR option. They should have adapted their current M4 rifles to the 6.8SPC. All they would have had to change is barrels and bolts.
Great vid! If I were to go back into the sandbox, I'd prefer a 14.5" M4 (SOCOM Block II) with a Surefire K Can and Mk262 ammo...which is exactly what they're running today. I'd have 1 or 2 XM7s in a team/squad for DMR purposes.
Quality content as usual. AA is on another level! Loving the rifle series.
Appreciate you watching man!
Great channel - good work here.
They spent a billion dollars making a high pressure short barreled AR10. Woooo, amazing. Short framed 16" AR10's already weigh less than 8 pounds. This NGSW won't replace the M4, it's just an expensive, albeit a good, designated marksman rifle. Polymer cases would have more benefits than the high-pressure steel cases, even if it requires more barrel length. They're just too greedy on the unobtanium requirements. The 6mm SPC, 6.5mm Grendel, .300 Blackout, .224 Valkyrie, and 6mm ARC are just too greedy trying to give the AR15 some sort of hunting or varmint or self-defense application when you can have a 6mm Creedmoor or a 6.5mm Creedmoor AR10 that weighs 7 pounds. 5.56 only needs to be updated with 90 grain slimmer higher BC pills, something like 5.7mm from the 5.56 parent case, and juice the pressure, but keep the M4. Less tungsten is needed per armor piercing round. Direct Impingement carbines cost less to produce, are lighter in weight, potentially more accurate, and are more reliable than either short stroke or long stroke gas operation. Why would civilians want a 6mm ARC when 6.5 Grendel is cheaper? Why would civilians want 6mm ARC when they can have a 6mm Creedmoor for the same size and weight? The 5.56 just needs a few more grains and the ability to have a higher ballistic coefficient shape for the bullet, and there's no reason they couldn't milk another 10,000 PSI out of it. The 5.56 needs to essentially stay the same, but become the best version of itself, all changes have been way overboard. Anything belt fed needs to be using polymer cased ammunition. The Army wants a sniper rifle the size of an MP5 and they're dumb.
6.8SPC , 6mm ARC and 6.5 Grendel all have enough performance advantages over 5.56, plus they come in an AR15 size platform that would save weight over the AR10 and the SIG Spear size rifles. SIG MCX Spear LT would be a great platform in either 3 of these calibers and would be an excellent choice for the military, and a 13" inch barrel would still give you excellent performance out of those cartridges.
I’ve been saying this all along! Slap a 6.5G, 6.8SPC or the new favor dejour 6 ARC and you get an AR-15 on steroids, V’s AR-10 size and weight.
Heck, I’m cutting my 6.5G down to 13.9 and looking for a 6 ARC in 13.9, so as if 5.56 fades away I’ll have a heavier hitter and still be able to hunt with any of them. I already prefer to hunt with my Grendel over my .308 as it is!
224 Valkyrie is also a great caliber I heard.
@@makevelicustoms no not really. More of a hipster round.
Yeah, im guessing since the start of the heroic ukrainian defense, the army is second guessing the armor defeating capabilities of 6.8. maybe they will ask or side contract for lighter barrels in 6.5? I mean no other country has widespread regulated standard issue body armor, so maybe magpul and a bunch of other companies can fill in the gap?
Exactly. I’d say the 6.8 SPC is the best out of the bunch. Put it in the LWRCI (also fully ambi) which is ready made for it and has a bigger magazine well to fit the larger magazine engineered for the cartridge. The government just loves to waste our money. What do I know, I’m just a guy who likes to shoot.
IT's ironic because it was a group of Marines who taught me how to clear structures, and Aircraft with an M16A3.......
Quality content and a well balanced perspective from that Marine. However, when it comes to the XM7 and it's implementation by the Army, we are missing crucial bits of context that don't get brought up: the 1:1 comparison between the M4/M27 and the XM7 is moot. Its completely understandable that this happens, as the infantryman's rifle is a very intimate thing, however, the next big war will not be infantry-centric like it has been for the past 20+ years. Infantry, and the Infantryman's rifle is but one system in a system of systems. Another problem being glossed over is people don't understand that the fundamentals of fire and maneuver and general infantry combat are predicated on ideas established during the mid-Cold War era, mainly the 60s and Vietnam. Technology has exponentially progressed since then. This also plays into my frustration over veterans stating their opinions as Law. We are in the same scenario that Cavalrymen were during the interwar period in the 1920s and 30s: great technological advancements are driving change in ways that may seem counterintuitive to the established order. Iraq and Afghanistan are irrelevant. Its not Fallujah or Korengal Valley anymore.
To that end, battle rifles, while seeming outdated, will become the norm due to the proliferation of drone technology, thermals, and other systems NATO used to have a monopoly on. As we see in Armenia, the Ukrainian Civil War, and the Russian invasion, traditional armored assaults are getting annihilated by live ISR provided by cheap drones. Air defense is also a real factor now unlike GWOT. China is investing heavily in drone technology. Infantry can no longer rely on traditional fire support platforms to deal with enemies at range and DMRs aren't going to cut it. As a branch of ground forces, they need the stand-off capabilities at the inidvidual level, and thats why the Battle Rifle is making a comeback and thats why we need the XM7, so they can engage the threats keeping the larger elements at bay.
Veterans stating their opinion as law? SHUT UP AND BACK IN LINE MAGGOT!
13 inch barrel that requires a 6 inch can because its hella loud. Sorry guys an 18inch 762 would be better in so many ways (barrel wear, logistics, cost).
I was 5’9 155lbs carrying 6 30rd mags of 5.56 on my kit, 1 in the gun plus at least a second combat load in the ruck. I can’t imagine going on any mission with less.
@Riorozen of course a standard combat load out would include less rounds in 6.8x51. But why tf is a marine corps rifleman leaving the wire with only 4 mags of 5.56 on his kit?
Saw gunners piss on your soul boot
@Max McD I'm pretty sure this rifle also comes with the xm157 vortex scope. A 6x scope that effectively aims for the user out to half a mile. I believe the logic is that more accurate riflemen will need less ammunition.
if you can done accurate and effective shot on enemy, you don't need using more round for suppresing fire, with the xm157 sight, everyone was marksman or sniper, i think the most important thing in the whole ngsw program is that scope, a gun with and without a scope will make a lot of difference, especially xm157 is literally a lightweight personal fire control system
Because the enemy stands still, presents himself, and doesn't drown you with a full volume of automatic fire.
This rifle is a perfect DMR; as a standard GI rifle it's lacking. @@pandatanoao9384
The military troops will HATE to carry the M7 along with the heavier mags and ammo.
But when it comes time to send rounds downrange to defend or attack, they will LOVE this platform.
Semper Fidelis 85-96.
I hope USMC adopts this beauty soon! We are the ones who need the best rifle the most!
I have to agree with several comments that the 6.5 Grendel is where it’s at! The range, lethality, versatility, control ability, and weight make it the most cost effective way to increase infantry performance!
I’ve been shooting this round since 2012 and while it’s not my everyday go to war rifle, it is in my arsenal and if ammo were as ubiquitous as 5.56, I’m there!
But only 20 rounds in a magazine, kinda handycap.
@@rapatacush3
Wrong! Standard magazine with 6.5 Grendel follower holds 25 rounds!
@@mitchculpepper738 still a handicap, the stanag holds 30.
I agree 6.5 Grendal is amazing. But they've found out it tends to jam on full Auto with M4/AR-15 platforms. If anything, if they weren't more expensive, I'd say that 6mm ARC, or 6mm MAX would be great choices as well!
I was using the G3 (7.62X51) when I served in the Greek Army as a reserve officer in the mid 80s and I never had a problem with the recoil.
At the time, we had four 20 round mags in two pouches plus one on the gun and additional mags in bandoliers.
I have also fired the M1 and the BAR while in BT and these were OK if the rifle was held firmly.
I don't buy the more ammo carried argument for the 5.56, because with the heavier and more stable SS109 NATO round, it has much reduced stopping power, so if one needs 2 or 3 rounds to do the job of a single heavier round, then the 20 round magazines go further than the 30 round ones.
One issue that seems to become important is the noise of an 80 000 psi 6.8 round fired from a 13" barrel, should the gun is fired without the suppressor.
Comparing the noise of the old M1 with a 24" barrel against the G3 with an 18" barrel, the G3 was much louder, although the 7.62 NATO ammo was smaller than the WW2 0.308 ammo.
My impression is that firing an 80 000 psi 6.8 round without a suppressor from a 13" barrel, the noise will deafen everybody near the gun, if the do not have ear protection.
I believe the difference comes in the combat philosophy, in US we like fire superiority where even if we're not landing direct hits we just want them to be permanently suppressed so the other squad can flank (battle drill 1a). Of course, the ideology may change with this rifle being adopted? But I've been with a lot of guys that struggled to qualify so makes me wonder how they're going to get people nailing shots even with that fancy xm157 optic
@@nathankim9587 Partially correct. The philosophy in the Greek Army is to put aimed shots on the target in order to conserve ammunition.
However each infantry squad has two SAWs, HK11s or FN MINIMIs (from which the M249 was developed) and one 40mm GL for enemy suppression.
There are also two MG3s at platoon level, firing 1100 rounds per minute each.
These weapons are augmented by the company's 81mm mortars and possibly by light Hirtenberger M6C-210 60mm Commando mortars that are mainly used by the SOFs.
IMAO, the 6.8X51 is an overkill round, relative to the 7.62X51.
For me a SIG hybrid 6.5 CREEDMOOR round was going to be a selection with lower recoil and sufficient stopping power.
An other difference in philosophy in the Greek army is the training with iron sights, with targets set at 300 meters.
The idea is that gadgets are nice, but if they fail, soldiers should still be able to fight effectively without them.
@FLORATOSOTHON US army also does rifle qualifications with 4 targets at 300. When I was in the rifle qual was with irons but I've heard that it's different now The squad & platoon setup seems to be very similar. When I say not landing direct hits I mean even if we're not hitting them just being aimed in their direction
@@nathankim9587 Yes, the Greek Army follows closely the US, with some differences going back to the British training the reconstructed Greek Army had in the Middle East during WW2 when Greece was occupied by the Germans, Italians and Bulgarians.
Also we have mandatory military service for all fit males and voluntary military service for women.
As a student in the US I completed the Army ROTC program and it was identical to the Greek reserve officers school.
In the US,I was trained on the M16A1, the M60, the Claymore mine and the LAW.
The main difference between the two programs was that in the US I was in a university as a student, while in Greece I was 24/7 in a military camp as a soldier.
What’ll be interesting is the other aspects of the kit that is worn. The manufacturers for clothing, armor, backpacks, carriers, etc. will need to continue to develop to save weight which will just further progress the technology all around. It’s good stuff
The HK is about 1lb heavier than a standard M4, and the HK is only issued to the USMC. So in reality the Army is increasing the weapon weight by about 20%.
They should really consider making Hybrid 5.56 to prolong its life and use as Military cartridge. While still being able to use current 5.56 loads!
It'd still be light-weight, plus have better armor penetrating capabilities, as well as power!
What the Marine didn't take into account is that the M157 VORTEX sight SYSTEM with its laser rangefinder and several other onboard sensors and ballistic "engine" (computer) will give him is an 80% hit percentage to 700 meters.That means fewer rounds needed unless you need a LOT for suppressive fire. And suppression is what the new M250, 6.8 x 51 machine gun is for.
Sorry, that was a logical, practical, and real fallacy. There is no such thing as "having way too many guns."
"The more you know."
😂 Thanks for watching man!
The 6.8x51 is good replacement for the .308 but not the 5.56 in my opinion. I would like to see the 6.5 Grendel, 6 arc, or 6.8 spc in the bi-metal case and see the stats on that.
You need 3000+ FPS to beat armor with some consistency. IIRC this new round is NOT doing that and it is running at HIGH PRESSURES.
@@AKlover the military load is over 3000fps. Civilians only have, surprise, the civilian load. Not like you can go to your local gun store and buy M855A1 either. The penetrator is also important, and we haven't seen that yet. I assume our military is keeping it a secret for as long as possible, because it's probably nasty.
the problem is 5.56 simply does not perform adequately out of short barrels. It was designed for a 20 inch barrel. Military barrels are basically half that length these days. 5.56 is amazing out of a 20 inch barrel. But 12 inches? no. Make no mistake, the 5.56 will stick around with the M4, but only in the role it was intended for, rear echelon troops, tankers, etc. The M4 was never intended to be a front line weapon because of its reduced firepower, but its short length made it worth it. The XM7 gives you the short length with actual firepower, which is great for our front line troops.
@@moonasha AP ammo is not hard. Nor is anything in our current iteration of small arms in anyway innovative, it hasn't been innovative decades. Anyone who tells you otherwise is feeding you marketing BS. "Resistance to Deformation" is NOT A hard concept to grasp or implement. A copper projectile will give better penetration, A bonded copper projectile (usually Molybdenum) will do even better than that. Hardened tool steel is likely used because it is far cheaper than copper at it's current price. A little constructive criticism if you are capable of taking it. You come off as A condescending wannabe know it all who plays too many video games....... Work on that. You can buy IV Chinese plates from multiple vendors it is not hard or expensive to test on them.
@@moonasha going from 30 rounds to 20 concerns me. Especially since the next major conflict is in the south pacific with an enemy can challenge us and disrupt supply lines. My biggest fear is our troops running out of ammo in the middle of a fight against an enemy that can carry more.
Thanks AA for another awesome vid on the Spear I cannot wait to get one. You guys and illuminate arms are the heroes we need
Really appreciate you watching man!
First off. Very great series! I just finished with this one. By far the best, most in depth review and informative Ive seen. Props for actually used the Ammo that is being adopted with the Rifle.
While I never carried an M27 in my time, or even the M4. I will agree with the Marine in your video that the 16.5 inch barrel with suppressor is ridiculous on the M27. I did some CQB/CQC (whatever the kids call it now days) with a 20" M16A2 and it is not ideal. The M27 takes us right back to that problem. And while the longer barrel gives more FPS it is still just 5.56 and I dont believe the weight and length of the M27 is a good trade for the ballistics. I do like the Gas Piston over the direct Impingement for cooler, cleaner running, and reliability. Plus the entire reason for going with the M27 was to get rid of the M249SAW. The new SIG light machine gun fixes that problem. So maybe a Marine Rifle Squad can go to a 14.5" version the M27 and adopt the SIG machine Gun ( With a DMR or 2 thrown in possibly with the NGSW) . Now we get into different ammo for the machine gunner and the rest of the squad. So maybe the NGSW is right for the Marine Corps too???
As for the NGSW XM7...I was concerned about the weight of the gun but not as much anymore. I do know that with the suppressor and the new Optic it will add significant weight to the rifle. Which will most likely put it well over the M27. Then start adding IR Lasers and lights and it might get pretty heavy.. The weight of the ammo is, like the Marine in the video said, another issue. Not sure what can be done about that. But I know they did test some polymer cased ammo but decided not to go that route. I heard its great in bolt action guns but gets stuck on Semi Auto guns quite a bit. Maybe in a few more years?
All that said back in WW1 and WWII guys much smaller and not as well fed or supplied carried the M1903 Springfield, and the M1 Garand and did just fine with the weight, ammo, and the recoil of the 30-06.
Overall I think its great but still think there is a place for the M4. or a shorter barrel M27.
I also think it would be an amazing rifle in a DMR role. Especially with the new optic.
Great video! I too am a guy that lives in the woods with too many guns... Semper FI!
Apparently the M157 optic has both IR and visible laser integrated into the unit, so theoretically the only additional weight over the basic setup would be a white light.
That said, the figures I've seen for the suppressor are just under 1.5 pounds, and a loaded twenty round magazine at about 1.4 pounds, so the loaded rifle with suppressor comes in at just about eleven and a quarter pounds (11.24).
Not sure what the optic unit weighs, but if that adds near a couple pounds, we're looking at a net weight of well over thirteen pounds.
So it would definitely be heavier than a "slick" M27, but when suppressor and everything is taken into account, weight difference would only be a couple extra pounds for the XM7.
Just gotta slice the pie again like in Iraq 🥧
@@LibertysetsquareJackits like 14 pounds with the optic, and then since have dropped it.
Just got one on 7.62x51. Can’t wait for the barrel change kit
You are a lucky man! I hope to get one some day. Thank for watching!
It also comes with an optic with a ballistic calculator or something, making the rifle more accurate over distances.
There isn't a weight advantage. Mags and ammo are heavier. XM7 isn't meant to replace the M27 either, but the M4A1, which is lighter than the M27.
This weapon doesn't make sense for 95% of the duty positions in an Infantry Platoon or any of the sections in a Rifle Company.
I’m just impressed they laid an entire vehicle on its side for the thumbnail
It was hard, but you gotta do what you gotta do! 😂 Thanks for watching!
I see you were happy with that affect in the beginning. The one where the gun stays till in the world shakes from the recoil. Such a cool affect.
Yes king of a happy accident, but I do think it looks cool. Thanks for watching!
*effect There, fixed it for you.
If I didn’t waste all my money I would buy one right now. For no reason other than how cool it is. And I bet it would appreciate in value.
The m27 would still weigh more because of the 1913 rails on the hand guard instead of lighter mlok on the civilian version
Thank you for using the correct ammo. So many youtubers review the gun in 30cal or 556 neither is useful as a review as the ammo IS the issue.
Been a few days since a video. Great to a new video. You are not the only guy in the woods so no worry there. Always look for new videos fro A.A.
Appreciate you watching man!
Great video. I think it makes sense for a special purpose, but in my opinion it's too heavy as the general rifle. At least, the army needs to adapt the polymer ammunition at the same time to counter the increased weight.
Maybe not. I would agree with you if we keep the same battle doctrine and tactics as if it were a 5.56 rifle. This rifle is probably coming with new doctrine and tactics.
i think that this rifle makes a lot of sense for socom, it can fill the role of a dmr and its short enough to be used in close quarters and it has a suppressor issued with it, but as a mass issue its not a good idea
on its own no, with its optic that will make a DM even out of general infantryman hell yes ...
6.8 Bi-Metal cartridges will cost tax payers a fortune $$$$$$ compared to AR15 5.56 ammunition of which we have a major stock pile for years. Stay with the 5.56 and use the existing AR10 rifles that shoot 7.62x51 NATO for longer range or penetration. We don't need to use some special cartridge that cost a mint
There is one way to is a 16" barrel indoors: hold your rifle at the hip, turn on your visible laser, and mount your bayonet.
Thank you for serving. Semper Fi!
All this capability is great . But it is irrelevant unless you hit your target . 1980's Marine but also spent time in the Army Reserves . Basically , the Army has no marksmanship training . Now I understand the Corps is changing their program too . What I read would be awesome - IF it was in addition to the old KD course . It is not an adequate replacement . As for the rifle , it's probably pretty good . Congratulations . You redesigned the FAL , and created a new round that is 10x more expensive than 7.62x51 . And the Army is giving an 800 meter capable rifle to people who can't hit at 50 meters .
IMHO, the whole program is stupid: instead of trying to make every soldier into a sniper, should have invested into smart mortars and light drones, possibly, with payload dropping capability (with proper targeting systems). In the latter case one could make electronics do all the complex stuff, that actually require skill. Although, the new machine gun is great
The real problem is that the US military continues to pursue the unattainable goal of making every soldier a rifleman, a machine gunner and a sniper at the same time; which obviously is completely impossible, given that each of these roles requires dedicated weapons and training. The American military stubbornly continues to pursue the old war doctrine, dating back even before the Great War, which put the infantryman with his rifle at the center of everything, with automatic weapons relegated to support roles; a now outdated and ineffective doctrine, given that both the Germans and the British understood from the lessons of the world wars that the way forward was to make the machine gun the pivot of the fight, with the riflemen as its support. A lesson that the Americans apparently never wanted to learn, as they arrived in 1940 with a very good rifle (the M1 Garand), but no light machine guns (such as the German MG 34/42 or the British Bren); a scenario that will be repeated in Vietnam, with the marines armed with M14s against the Viet Cong equipped with AKs and PKMs.
This is the basic problem of the armed forces, not wanting to understand that a simple rifleman will never be able to perform the same task as a machine gunner (because he doesn't have the volume of fire) or a sniper (because he doesn't have the range and accuracy). Try to hit with an M4 an enemy shooting at you from a kilometer with a PKM on a tripod; you can stand there and shoot him all day, you'll never hit him. However, he will easily be able to hit you, because his weapon has a much greater accuracy than yours. And it's more accurate because it's on a tripod. Here is the secret revealed. An individual weapon can never be accurate over very long distances (unless it's a 50 caliber sniper rifle), simply because when we shoot it never stays still. And what are displacements of millimeters for us, are tens of meters for the target.
As I see it, it's better that everyone respects their role on the battlefield, without forcibly wanting to mix them all in a confused and chaotic soup, where one doesn't know what one's tasks and scope for action are.
Never owned a gun or probably ever will.
Just stumbled on here by accident.
Very well presented and easy to watch.
Subbed.
🏴 love from Scotland 🏴
Maybe lead off with I live in Scotland, or I'm not American next time. Leading off with I don't and never will own a gun will lead some to jump to the conclusion you're a piece of 💩 American Liberal. 🤣
Yes the effectiveness of the round is better on the Spear but you can carry less. THAT means less Suppressive fire which my understanding is a big deal (not military).
Same goes for the new Machinegun better round but less of them and smaller belt so more reload less Suppression.
You are correct.
the speed of sound delay in hearing the target being hit the intro is wild
Oh waw, you shot the new army caliber! /S
I heard some Rangers talking about it and they were not enthused. They said the weight was going to be an issue but the main thing was the reduced ammo load a Soldier would be able to carry, especially for the guy on the M-249 replacement. And I would have to agree with them. While I think the M7 makes for a great DMR or weapon to be put in the SOF tool kit, it's not really ideal for line units it large scale combat operations (which will involve very little room clearing). What Ukraine is showing is that volume of fire is CRITICAL, because more bullets going down range means your enemy is suppressed longer/more gooder. Can't do that with fewer bullets, no matter how awesomely fired those bullets are. This is obviously even more of an issue with the XM250, which is going to have a considerably smaller load out. However, it would be a great replacement for the M-240s. Frankly, I think they should build a machinegun and carbine that fires the 5.7mm round or something similarly small, simply because you could carry stupid amounts of ammo and use it to suppress just as effectively in a battle. And next to no recoil would make it a breeze to shoot. Not every target gets engaged at 500m and not every target has level 4 body armor. Pretty sure no one is wearing a level 4 plate over their face.
You are getting a lot of the wrong conclusions. *Yes* in the context of the Ukrainians, that holds true, but after losing a lot of their US trained officers and NCOs from prior to the invasion, they are also falling back on soviet era doctrines, and don't have all the equipment the US does. Their biggest concern is just having ammo at all not what kind, accuracy, or effective ranges. Additionally, the USMC, US Army, and British Army all came to the same conclusion after 20 years of fighting in Afghanistan when it came to suppression: accuracy trumps volume. It doesn't matter if you are putting out a lot of fire, if you aren't hitting or close enough to the target. You can even find footage from Ukraine of soldiers in trenches taking direct fire from BMPs and not really caring. Three of the most proficient and professional fighting forces in the world saying the same thing can't be wrong. Now, the big thing is how they went about addressing it. The UK took the economic approach and dropped one of their two SAWs in a rifle squad in favor of a DMR. The USMC did the same, but instead gave everyone M27s, turning everyone into an autorifleman in effect. The US Army took the most radical approach by going for Battle rifles and full power cartridges.
Also your last statement is ridiculous. There is no 5.7mm rifle round unless you are referring to the pistol cartridge, which is makes your statement even worse. Yes, not every target gets engaged at 500m+ and yes, not everyone has level IV armor, but that ignores the benefits of penetration of hard cover surfaces that are better achieved than current issue 5.56. Moreover, even outside of MOUT, which can still see engagements of 300m+, the reason engagement distances are 400m or less boils down to the same traditional limitations of engagement distances by infantry, that being terrain, threat ranges, and again, lack of modern equipment. Can't effectively engage past 200-400 if you're still using iron sights and red dots. Ukrainian forces are entirely dependent on artillery for engaging targets further out, or sending in their special forces to do CQB. We've Already seen how drones are affecting engagement distances. By increasing situational awareness at the small unit level, you are able to increase the accuracy and effective range of small arms and infantry heavy weapons, as evidenced by not only drone footage of coordination with HMGs and GMGs, but by ISIS in Syria as well.
@Riorozen you can very much shoot back under suppression. There is footage of soldiers in Ukraine engaging enemies just fine under what would traditionally be considered overwhelming fire. Suppression via volume of fire was created out of an era where iron sights were the standard, and the most advanced piece of equipment was the platoon radio, and is supremely wasteful. Soldiers carry so much ammunition today because it is wasted on inaccurate fire shooting in the general direction when modern equipment has proven you can achieve the same effects or better with more precise fire as stated in my previous comment.
Much like how Soldiers used to line up in rows to achieve maximum accuracy with their weapons evolving into small unit maneuvers, we are experiencing the same evolution of tactics and doctrines due to advancements in technology.
@@dickizzinya9085 You've read that? That's nice.
So if you're tiny this is not the gun for you, but if you are the size of a normal man, it seems to be revolutionary.
i agreed with the barrel.imagine in a close quarters have to face the enemy with that large one,it would be ankward. yet a very good looking rifle. im from argentina, but thanks for your service ,i admire the marines.
Is it a good rifle? Yes. Is it a good cartridge? Also yes. Is it a good rifle for the infantry? That's a little harder to answer.
A possible problem is the recoil. The reason 556 was adopted was simple... fast followup shots are king, and King Fast Followup Shot rules alone.
We know why the 5.56 M16 was adopted for the time period. Enemy nations did not hear level 4 body armor at the time and at the time, of vietnam, they did shoot the M16 full auto a lot in combat vs today where troops are generally trained to shoot semi auto in rapid fire. Now that the opposing side are starting to be near peer, we need to start thinking on what to shoot at them with.
@@Excalibur01 6.8x51 is not going through level 4 body armor unless you’re using tungsten rounds. Armor penetration is a bad meme & shouldn’t be discussed with this thing, it will barely outperform AP .308
@@BoringPet So then...what's the point?
@@Excalibur01 It's a rifle built for Afghanistan, optimized for 1,000 yard+ engagements up mountains. I'm sure it can defeat level 3 body armor at close ranges, so maybe that's what they mean.
@@BoringPet I thought this is a rifle designed for near peer to peer combat
I wish there was a range like yours closer to me, I’m in southern alabama and they recently closed the only “open” range near me. All they have down here is Lane shooting.
Don’t know where you’re at but there is Silver Creek in Mobile. It’s a solid range. Thanks for watching!
308 could have done everything they wanted.. 6.8 is not impressive.. you can put a steel case on anything and jack the pressures. Normal troops don't need that range and the spear is an obnoxiously heavy AR10... 9.2lbs with a 16" barrel and a cqb stock or 8.6lbs 13" naked.
So you're going from an 8lb system with 210 rounds to an 11lb+ system with 140 rounds so you can try to shoot at 700 yards once in a while? Not to mention the sheer bulk of the weapon and mags. It's so near sighted they can't even see past their nose. Given the option, most troops, especially guys clearing buildings, would leave the m7 on the rack every day of the week for the m4 unless mission specific requirements called for a significant chance of 700+ yard engagements without safe closure. And even then, they'd still probably just designate 1 or 2 guys to carry the heavy ass dmr. It's cool on paper until you have to go carry it around all day and your mags run dry shockingly fast.
While I didn't realize the HK was ridiculously heavy as I compared the gun to an m4 and not m27, you did the weight comparison between the spear and hk without mags and without a typical setup. The spear will be heavier loaded and will require more magnification to utilize the long range capabilities that try to justify it's use. Guys can just run a dot or dot and qd magnifier on a 556 gun but you need an lvpo minimum and ideally more magnification than that plus a bipod to reach out past 500-600 reliably. Then with more magnification, they will need to piggy back a dot as well for cqb. Also, the typical 7 mag load out would be almost 4lbs heavier with the 25 round mags... That's a huge deal. And you gave up 35 rounds. It's not a matter of counting ounces when talking about switching to the m7, it's a matter of about 5-8lbs depending what you were using before.
All this and to top it off, the scar 17 weighs .7lbs less than the spear with a 16" barrel and can do everything it can. Chop 3" off the barrel, put a kd rail on it, and we just upgraded over the spear already with a 10% weight savings.
except it wouldnt ... this is designed to beat armor that even 30.06 AP cannot. It also has 1200m effective range while 308 is at 800 with much worse balistics as 277 has much flatter trajectory, velocity and energy
@@Asghaad it would. You are trying to compare a hybrid case to a standard case. Both being equal, they aren't much different. Civilian 277 fury is marginally better at long range and the difference is irrelevant at distances the rifle would be effective at.
This gun will not have a 1200m effective range because it's intended to fulfill a close range combat role and will be outfitted as such. As I said, even at 600-700 yards, you are now at the range where you need a larger magnification optic than a magnifier or lvpo and a bipod. At 1200, you most certainly need a bipod or effective stabilization and 25+ magnification optic and extensive long range shooting expertise to even attempt at hitting something on purpose.
A gun outfitted for cqb effectiveness will not be able to make 800-1200 yard shots and a gun outfitted for 800-1200 yard effectiveness will suck at cqb. You can't just take into account the chronograph buddy, you need to think application.
And garrand thumb was unable to get through body armor with standard 6.8 so that's also a moot point.. if you need a special round for it to go through armor, it's no different than every other round in that respect.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 except you are somehow not understanding here that you DONT need 20" barreled rifle with 24x zoom scope for 1000 ...
8x is MORE than enough when you also have laser rangefinder that measures the distance and ballistic computer that gives you precise drop at that range ...
which is exactly why this "short barreled" rifle is so awesome, it does exactly what you claim it cant, its short enough to be maneuverable in CQB while also having ballistic performance to reach 1km AND optic that works at 1x (display in the reticle giving a red dot and etched reticle not obstructing view as its FFP optic where reticle changes size with magnification) and also at 8x having more than enough magnification to reach and touch targets way beyond even 308 / 7.62x54R rifles are capable of ...
maybe go look up some videos or read some articles on capabilities of this optic because its literally designed to allow regular shooters to do things you claim they cannot ... maybe with regular optic that doesnt do all the hard work for you they cant ...
@@Asghaad 🤣 bro, no one is making shots at 1k with an 8x reliably. You're just a typical UA-cam commentor now. People can't make shots at 500 reliably with an lvpo. Also, I never mentioned barrel length?
And you're talking about the xm157? The 3lb optic that ranges for you and projects a dot for your hold over? Yes. Like I said. If you set up a gun for long range, it's going to suck at cqb. (Guess I've read about it)
You've now created a 13-14lb rifle and another 3 additional lbs of ammo with 35 less rounds with your one comment .....
You don't think past reading, do you? You literally won't be able to see what you're shooting with an 8x at 800-1000 yards. Physically won't be able to identify it. 🙄
3" at 100 yards is 30" at 1000. So stand up 3 quarters at the end zone of a football field, walk back to the other end zone, and see if you can make them out. Now look through 8x magnification, that's how big a person's torso would be at 1k. Now try to hit those reliably. Then, after all that, add in wind and the exacerbation of any errors even if given a hold at 1k. Tell me again the rifle with an ordinary shooter will be able to do that
I paid a billion dollars for a short barreled AR10. Are you fucking kidding me? And that's how I feel about that.
I believe the 6,8 has its advantages in asymetical conflicts with open terrain to even outperform weapons like a pkm while still be able to clear building.
However when it comes to scenarios like the ukraine war it might be not the best choice. Targets at distances over 300 yards are beeing pounded by artillery. The ability to have more rounds of 556 on you is crucial to gain fire superiority. Another factor i cant quite determine is how well it will handle dirt since artillery makes you fight in mud storms.
In my oppinion the 6,8 should replace the 7,62 and not the 556 and should be more used in a role as a squad weapon.
exactly the other way around, in open fields of Ukraine having TRIPLE the effective range of the enemy would be a total game changer ...
Spear + its ridiculous optic = all your basic infantry riflemen get turned instantly into Designated Marksmen ... if that idea doesnt scare you in country that is mostly wide open fields ...
@@Asghaad Ukraine has a lot of woodland and longer range engagements are fought with mortars and artillery.
If enemies are in buildings they rather use rpgs than enter it
@@chiefexxor5069 They're fought with mortars and artillery because that's the only option.
Spray & pray ... is old school .. but is what we still see.
Europe had battle rifles for 40 years ... with heavy loadout outs ... made every bullet count with better training of its soldiers .. and were very effective in combat.
You do realize ... the US Army adopted the 5.56 & developed the M4 .. .and know all the pro & cons of the AR platform & rd? Likewise the 7.62 Nato.
And yet the Armchari Generals ... believe they know than the US Army ... about Next Gen warfare for at least the next 40 years.
It's NG Squad weapons ... not ... Service Rifle.
The Squad Weapons are ... service rifle, Automatic weapon, MG & DMR/Sniper rifle.
The NGSW ... is all about replacing the 5.56 & 7.62 ... with a single 6.8 "Machine Gun" round ... for all squad weapons.
The M4 & M249 ... can not be modified for 7.62 Nato, 6.5 CM, or 6.8 x 51. This is why the NGSW ... involved a new 6.8 caliber ... and ... new service rifle & automatic weapon. The M240 & M110 ... can be modified ... for 6.8 x 51.
And the M7 ... can be modified ... to be the service rifle, automatic rifle or MG, and DMR. With the M250 likely to improve its accuracy to be on par with the M240 ... to replace it ... instead of seeking a conversion kit for the M240. But the Army is seeking a conversion kit because they want to only have the 6.8 ammo for squad weapons.
An M6 with the 20 " barrel, longer foregrip & bipod, better trigger & stock ... would replace the M110 immediately.
The M4, M249, M240 & M110 ... have been replaced ... by the M7 & M250 ... with the NGSW program.
@@es4583 except most frontlines are so heavily mined by now that using mechanized approach is basically suicide.
secondly the BMP-1 Russians use have weakspots vulnerable to 7.62x51 / 7.62.54R so imagine what a round with performance of 30.06 will do...
Also SiG has a heavy machinegun in the similar concept - the M338 to deal with THAT - think of it as man portable 50cal that you can fire standing freehand ... that weighs less than M240 ...
I have never been a fan of Playstation, HOWEVER if Sony made that tablet for the same price as that ugly, bulky thing, I would be swayed to buy one. Amazing job on your build.
13 inch barrel is useless once you put an 9 inch can on it. I can't wrap my head around this. Just use an 18 inch barreled 762 with no can. get better performance, less barrel wear, more common ammo, similar weight.
Love my MR556 with the Geissele Super Mod Rail.
This is the perfect rifle for the Designated Marksman. For the regular grunts, probably too heavy when the weight of the ammo is factored in. I still think we really should have gone with the 6.5 Grendel.
I mean, 6.5 grendel is great, but 6mm ARC or 6mm Creedmoor would be better options ballistically. 6.5 Creedmoor would honestly still be better for the military if you go 6.5, given it allows several components to be reused that are still operating on the old .308 logistics chain. Plus it would have less barrel wear issues, I suppose. But for whatever reason the military has been set on 6.8mm calibers since the SPC, and I still have no idea why.
@@SCComega The problem with the Creedmoor is that it's in the 308 league like the Fury. That's really good for the DM, but it's too big for your average grunt and too big for the SAW if you want to carry lots of ammo. THe ability to carry a lot of ammo is critical in modern warfare. The Grendel gives you long-range and higher energy without going to a bigger caliber, bigger weapon, or bigger magazine.
@@GeorgeOu I'm aware, but logistics is always a consideration. It's also still lighter than 6.8x51. Regardless, 6mm ARC still beats the Grendel, as much as I have been a fan of such for a large chunk of my life.
@@SCComega If everything switched from 5.56 to 6.5 Grendel, there is no logistics issue. My point is that it's the only caliber that boosts performance without going to a larger heavier caliber. It's slightly heavier than 5.56 NATO, but not by much. It still fits in the same magazines and the existing M4s can be changed to use grendel.
@GeorgeOu or 6mm ARC, same deal as Grendel in that regard. But either facilitate bolt and magazine changes. Where as the Creedmoor cartridges, and the military's now 6.8 maintain bolt, magazine, and case commonality, as such the logistics turnover is substantially lowered.
I'm not saying it's necessarily the best move, granted, but still, such are considerations.
I have the Sig MCX Spear in 7.62x51. I dont have any idea of how it shoots in 277 Fury. But the recoil is okay. Its not bad at all. I really dig the rifle. I paid a lot of money for it. I also have the Scar 17. The recoil impulse and muzzle rise is better from the Scar 17 despite being lighter. I let one of the RSO's at the range shoot both. He preferred the Scar because of the weight. He is a very big guy and I'm a regular in the weight room. I dont know what he thought about the recoil or muzzle rise. I forgot to ask. To be fair, the setup on my Sig Spear is quite heavy; Elcan 1.5-6X, Cloud Defensive Rein 3.0 light, Strike Industries angled grip and an airsoft laser. It is heavy for most people, especially if I add the Surefire Training Suppressor. The Scar has an Elcan 1-4X, Surefire M600 Light and a Daniel Defense vert grip. The Scar feels like a toy in comparison. Sooo light. I have an MR556 upper on a milspec AR15 lower as well. Its nowherw near as heavy as the Spear. Plus the weight of the magazines are way different.
I love my Sig Spear but it is heavy as Lizzo's lunch trey.
This is an awesome rifle for a DMR/SSR, and a dumb rifle for general issue.
no its not, anything in 5.56 right now is dumb due to proliferation of body armor and magnified optics. Right now you need rifles with more range and more effect on target both categories 5.56 is notoriously bad at ...
5.56 was great in age where troops used iron sights and wore at best soft flackjackets not when everyone is running around in armor capable of stopping 5+ rounds of 5.56 and using 1-8x LPVOs. Going to full power round makes more sense than ever and frankly should have been done decade ago for Afghanistan
>"The Army is stuck in the past!"
>"Why are they giving every soldier a DMR?!"
What if I told you that your inability to see the rifle as anything other than a DMR is the exact same dogmatically rigid and backwards looking reasoning that everyone at present is accusing the Army of?
Didn’t soldiers in WWII clear rooms with Garand rifles with 24” barrels?
Yea😂😂
I think most people think this is a bad replacement because they are thinking in the old way of doing things. This rifle integration is also going to come with new battle doctrine and tactics. You won't need as much ammo because you would be in theory further away and able to shoot more accurately. So you probably won't need to just dump 20 rounds right away because the enemy probably won't be able to accurately put rounds on your position, allowing for you to acquire a solid sight picture.
That's a lovely theory, but infantry contact ranges are dictated by ground, not equipment. Firefights in the green zone in Helmand, for example, were happening at double or even single figure ranges due to the close country. Most of the worlds population lives in or around an urban setting, meaning operations in built up areas are likely in future conflicts. This means typical outside contact ranges of 50-150m, moving over complex terrain (including subterranean settings) and through buildings. Just look at footage from Gaza.
The US should just adopt a bullpup, make the gas settings adjustable, and train to the new triggers the way our European allies. It’s only current issue troops that might experience training scars, whereas this weapon is meant for troops who haven’t turned 18 yet.
Soldiers love the power and be able to shoot it at 1,200 yards, no .50 caliber need now!😊
The way I see it, if they really intend to equip each soldier with the Spear, I'm really afraid that this platform will end up like the M14: a heavy, cumbersome weapon, with an overly powerful ammunition, uncontrollable in burst shooting, very expensive to produce and not very effective on the battlefield. Imagine having to clear a building with such a cannon in hand; just to turn around you have to be careful not to bump into walls, doors and teammates. Handling such a beast in a confined space is really difficult, especially with a full-power cartridge. In my opinion they would have been better off rechambering the M4s in 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC, it would have saved billions of dollars in expense and a lot of time.
Sig M7 for $5,000 is not a weapon designed by itself. Unless you use the special M159 $13,000 optic, you can't apply the whole squad DMR tactic it is designed for.
With the smart optics. Every rifleman can hit easily, quickly, and share targets up to 800 meters.
And the civilian equivalent by Magpul and MazTech is supposed to retail for around $1k, while being compatible with your existing LPVO.
@@ab5olut3zero95 Source please?
Gotta remember that new optic also. That thing will weigh more. Lights and laser more. Fully kitted this thing will be a heavy beast. Sexy gun though. And definitely has its advantages and disadvantages
My son weighed his HK M27 for me and fully equipped with Trijicon 1-8 SCO, PEQ2 , and Knights Armament Suppressor but without magazine or ammo it was 13.8 pounds. He is currently serving in the USMC Infantry. My old M16a1 weighed around 7 pounds in 1978. We thought that we were cool when we duct taped two mags together.
Didn't SiG say they're releasing them in 6.8×51 to the civilian market at some point?
"im just a guy who lives in the woods with too many guns" nice Shooter reference
Great review! By the way, you can never have "too many guns"!!
I wish they would take the ammo tech and put it on a 77gr 5.56 and run it in a 11.5” spear LT
Per usual another EXCELLENT take from the boys at Alabama Arsenal. I’d like to pick up the 5.56 SPEAR LT eventually. For now I’m saving for a Block 2 upper for my Colts Law Enforcement Carbine. Let me know what you think of my AK74 ALPHA Overview if you get a chance to check it out for me.
Weight counts when loaded and M7 is heavier with full mag than m27, with less ammo on board. Plus it will be fielded with a suppressor ..more weight.
Very true, but as an old grunt, I wish we had this in Afghanistan.
@@zack9912000 Me too!
what would you rather have - a lighter rifle thats more comfortable or one that doesnt allow your enemy to shoot you from beyond the range you can reach ... i know which one i would pick
Yep. Plus, they got the weights wrong in rhis video.
The MR556 is not identical to the M27. Totally different barrels.
The M27 is 7.9 pounds, unloaded because it uses a cold hammer forged medium contoured barrel, while the MR556 has a stainless match heavy contoured barrel.
when did the us marines issue a 16" barreled m16?
The M27 actually has a 16,5" barrel. Thanks for watching!
just fyi sig spear was cancelled as an m4/m16 replacement some special forces units will use it but that's it were keeping what we got.
just fyi that was nothing but a rumor and was debunked about hundred times ...
100% fake news
It will be interesting to see how this works out, my own militery has just done the switch back to 7.62 due to the greater skalability of the ar10 platform and now everyone sudenly wants 5.56... guess soldiers are never happy😅
It does always seem like the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Thanks for watching!
'AMBIDEXTRIOUS' love it gunny!
I think the cartridge is really cool. I wish there would be some budget bolt guns in the cartridge.
Damn that low key runaway bro damn that's nice
I have a 14.5 pin/weld LMT/Hk416 hybrid (MARS-L ambi lower, 416 upper), with 416A5 furniture. I was expecting it to be an absolute heifer when completed, but was pleasantly surprised to find it lighter than my LVOA, my 14.5 p/w SOLGW/FCD LRF/URF build with DD MFR XL 15in forend, my SIG556, Arsenal SAM7SFK80-R, and lastly, my commission built retromod Hk93 clone (PCS33 from Parabellum Combat Systems.) Obviously the shorter 14.5 in barrel compared to the 16in on the M27 and MR556 dictates less weight, also the 416A5 furniture possibly makes a difference.
Damn that's some nice kit
@@mattmurphy7030 thanks dude
The shorter barrel is a moot point due to the longer reciever.
If you look up info on this, both the M4 and the Sig XM5 are 33" OAL with the stock fully extended.
Great Rifle and review, I just wonder about the barrel life and longevity of this package.
Yea, they said they were issuing the new rifles to the whole army...
They also said artificial sweeteners were safe, that there were WMD's in Iraq, & Anna Nicole married for loveee.
Thank you for the video.
They call it a spear, but I can't stick a bayonet on it.
Interesting how the recoil seems so much more severe at the bench, than it does running a course
Keep in mind I let a lot of different shooters shoot every gun and get feedback. Those shooters are of different skill levels and some can handle recoil better than others. Thanks for watching!
Very true. I want one! Thanks for the reply 🤘🏼 Keep up the good work! I watch every video
Good job…Clearly, you are the ones I should share this info with.
The equivalent of the m855a1 round for the SPEAR will be 110gr. This will result in:
*lower mass,therefore, lower recoil- approaching 77gr + 50% more recoil
*a B.C. Of approx .360 equating to that of mk262
*lighter magazine- 500gr less per mag.
*110gr out of 10.5” barrel 2950ft/sec.
*40% more energy on tgt at every yd marker compared to 77gr in 14.5” m4
*200gr bullet subsonic-Astronomical BC-head shots out to 250yrds-any wind
*one lb lighter in 10.5”
I believe it’s actually somewhere in the range of 130-140 grains
No, do the math. The m80a1 is 130 gr- that’d be 7.62
M855a1 is 62 gr- that’d be .5.56
Using the same construction as both of them,logic dictates that it’s 110gr-112gr
Out of a 13” barrel a 110gr will do about 3200fps and penetrate lvl 3+ armor out to over 300yds.
Watch tv show “forged in fire”. This penetrator is NOT mild steel. It’s been hardened to around 60 HRC. Equivalent to being a ceramic tip or tungsten, it is not. But it does approach them enough to crack porcelain @high speed,where mild steel cannot.
Better BC
Twice weight bullet
Twice energy
Same/similar flt paths
The army, in my estimation wanted a chambering, that could deliver a bullet from all length barrels, at a speed of over 2900fps. A 110gr out of a 10.5”, 135gr out of a13”, or a 150gr out of a long barrel; there is something for every profile barrel.
Why u ask,why a velocity of over 2900fps? Because above that velocity is when majic happens. Tissue is devastated above that speed. Above that speed, an HRC 60 steel projectile is more affective on hard targets.
Now imagine 10” barrel with carbon fiber to lighten it up and using a projectile at 112gr(ounce lighter per Round stack) that has a tungsten like tip to defeat ceramic, armor. Robotic dogs and stovepipe ammo drops from heavenly bodies. Warfare has changed.
The following is garand thumb mk18 .277 fury.
6.8x51 for training and non-cool guy applications is sufficient. U can even go down to “everyone gets a 9” barrel with 90-95 gr ammo.
m.ua-cam.com/video/FBw9iLa1vJA/v-deo.html
With Hunter mentioning "you bigger guys" and "someone my size" as it pertains to dealing with the weapon system and the caliber it is chambered in, I'm curious as to what size we're talking. I'm not a big guy myself so I feel like this could be very relevant to me.
then go shoot the 308 ... if you can handle that then you can handle the 6.8x51
Man, that rifle looks phenomenal. To bad its 7k....
Weighing the M5 without its suppressor is giving inaccurate info. It’s specifically designed to be used suppressed because, as many reviewers have pointed out, its bare muzzle device does absolutely nothing for flash suppression (see Garand Thumb, for instance).
@@duanemckinley9353 regardless of whether the m27 is issued with a suppressor, was it designed to be used without one? Is its muzzle device sufficient at hiding flash? Also, comparing these rifles doesn’t make a whole lotta sense to me in the first place; the m4 is the service rifle the m5 is replacing, not the m27. Yes, I get the USMC uses the m27, and it’s a Marine reviewing the m5…but, again…not the rifle the m5 is replacing.
While I’m not personally familiar with the m27, every reference I’ve found shows it with a bird cage flash hider, which I am familiar with, and does a pretty decent job by itself.
@@duanemckinley9353 listen mate, all due respect, my comment wasn’t intended to inspire you giving a class on gas operating systems. If you can’t rebut my original point, which was that reviewing only part of a weapon system, eg., the M5 without its suppressor, undermines the credibility of this video, then go kick your can somewhere else.
Bama bringin the smoke…as usual. Awesome
you want to clear buildings? 300 blk subs out of a 12" barrel with a short suppressor will do nicely. switch over to supers and you you'll be able to reach out and touch someone a bit better. if you really need to go long range than just make sure that one of the squad members is carrying an 18" upper using 6.5 Grendel with that new vortex optic. what sig had to do to create the perfect do everything rifle is design a rifle that operates at supper high chamber pressures and won't last long.
That hand guard is psa quality. For 4K that’s some you got suckered money right there
Once again this whole thing makes 6.8 SPC make way more sense!
@Alabamarsenal Please do a video full video on the 6.5 creed POF revolution, I'm down with the .308, but you are the only person near a 6.5, THERE IS NOT ONE VIDEO ON THE WEB FOR 6.5 EXCEPT YOURS 🙏🏽 🙏🏽 🙏🏽
Nice. Thanks, I'll take Two.
The army, in my estimation wanted a chambering, that could deliver a bullet from all length barrels, at a speed of over 2900fps. A 110gr out of a 10.5”, 135gr out of a13”, or a 150gr out of a long barrel; there is something for every profile barrel.
Why u ask,why a velocity of over 2900fps? Because above that velocity is when majic happens. Tissue is devastated above that speed. Above that speed, an HRC 60 steel projectile is more affective on hard targets.
Actually, being above 2600fps coupled with an ample ft/lb makes for majic on hard targets.
For fear of hitting the shoulder blade……………
Using the 855a1, there is no fear of failure to take even an elk with this round. This round will ensure penetration through such a barrier.
Now, having said that, a .277 size round in 110gr weight and 855a1 construction? Rest assured that elk is going down.
This round has the same drop and wind deflection as a mk262 out of a 14.5”.
But it has 500 more ft-lbs at every yardage marker.
Even at somewhere around 4-500 yrd, it will still pass through the shoulder and reliably fragment to the opposite side of the carcass with ultimately deadly effect.
Any soldier or Marine taking fire at 400+ yards is going to call for a heavy weapon, rockets, or mortar and not rely on an infantry rifle.
Maraging Steel, something all barrels need to be made out of. Wonder if you can qpq nitride them?
To get the speeds out of a fairly short barrel is mighty impressive...
It really is, that’s why I think whatever happens with the NGWS, the 277 Fury is hear to stay. Thanks for watching!
Wonder if they'll find a way to get the suppressor further back, into the handguard.
It'd be a godsend for tank crews, scouts...
@@scowler7200 its called Bullpup ... which is concept US military is apparently allergic to
@@scowler7200 I think they called it the Raptor, but Sig is in development on making a 8.5 barrel or something like that for vehicle or urban combat stuff.
6.5 grendel was the best choice. This is reinventing the club so it will fail.
Any chance you guys would do a similar series on 6mm ARC? Apparently it started as a special project for JSOC but was ditched to free up funds for the 6.8 (allegedly).
However FN just showed off a new rifle chambered in a 6mm cartridge, that looks very similar to what Hornady has in the 6ARC.