There is a bike weight limit 👍🏾 But the 2027 bikes will be lighter in weight than the current bike weight limit. Plus less fuel so further less weight. This will enable the bikes to go through the corners quicker than currently. We could end up having similar or faster laptimes even though engine reduction to 850cc!
I think Ducati can still dominate from 2027 onwards simply because they have Marc, yes he will be older, but he's more adaptable than others and knows how to ride bikes that have less aero, electronics, gadgets etc. whereas most of the MotoGP grid, especially the top guys have grown up with these latest bikes that do a lot of the work for them, instead of the rider making more difference like in the past. So I think what Marc loses with age, will gain from the performance going back towards the rider.
Marc can only 'defy gravity' for so long, like any of them that kept riding, Rossi et al, and he'll be 33 - 34 by that season. He will still be fast, if he is still racing, but there are more where Acosta came from... The newer riders for MotoGP in 2027 - say David Alonso - may adapt to the different everything of the new formula bike quickly, like Acosta on the MotoGP bike, and I'm afraid the Zarcos and riders of that age will have to move on. I agree that Ducati could still dominate, but Honda and Yamaha need to be getting serious right now, not waiting until 2027. They need to be keeping up in '25 and '26 as well, or they'll never catch up.
@@patkennedy1 Espargaro was pretyty much always one of the worst riders on the grid, yet 2 years ago and last year he won, finally.. Never did anything since being on the grid and when he won his first race he was 33.. Now, i'd suspect Marc Marquez, at 34, on a good bike, will still be dominating.
@@Bozzzzzz007 Aleix has had plenty of injuries but none as serious as Marc Marquez eye injury, repeated dislocated shoulder, bent bone from 2020! Father time waits for no one.... even Marc admitted the newer generation Bagnaia, now Acosta are faster than ever.
@@C--A I agree with all you said at the start, but I don't think the new guys are faster than Marc, Stoner, Rossi, Lorenzo in their prime.. I think Marc is still 90% as fast so, lets see my friend.. But I think he will kick ass.. Lets talk again end of the next season.. Hopefully they'll both be injury free. Marc has done things from behind like no other.
I speculated this six months ago. What about the 2027 rules would prevent the bike from being raced in 2025 or 2026? My initial thought was a company like Honda, clearly behind sacrificing one or two grid spots in 2026 to develop the 2027 bike. Keep Repsol the most competitive bike they can build, put Zarco on the 2027 development bike a year early. When the rules were announced it was speculated that the bikes would be 2-3 seconds slower than current bikes. IMO by the time 2027 rolls around they will be just as fast as 2024 race times.
@@CrashMotoGP Wouldn't running the 850 prototype break the engine freeze regulation? As you say, it would only be in testing, not racing. Honda notwithstanding. Normally Honda remain very secretive about anything new, like these '27 bikes will be.
These bike I think will bring more racing action. 5 years now MotoGP is feeling like f1, hit the front and run away. 2027 will bring more change, especially not seeing only one manufacturer dominant in every race weekend 😉
Like every Motorsport nothing lasts forever.... Personal switch teams, regulations change...I think the balance of power will begin to even itself out with fewer current spec Ducati's on track providing Track data.... I think that regardless of the Reduction in Size and aero will make little differene in terms of Excitement! There isnt a sport on the planet that is as Competitive or as exciting as MotoGP.!
Thanks for the great content. Im excited to see if Ducati pulls trig and starts their development early. I agree with the consensus, but would ante up and say they can probabaly run the 27 prototype for the whole season and be in front (of races) by the end of season
@ianjohnson1207 Actually KTM haven't started any early development of the 2027 bike. Which is why a lot of people think KTM won't be on the grid in 2027!
terrencegriffin5854 Ducati can't run a 850cc engine in 2025 or 2026 lol. As it's against the rules! They can run it in the allocated test day's and only there.
Regarding the question of Ducati maintaining their performance advantage through the 2027 regulation changes. I think the answer is yes.From an engineering perspective the 2027 regulations do not present a problem/ challenge that the Ducati Corsa team have not dealt with in past years.Although the 2027 rule changes are comprehensive,they are not as drastic as the 2021 delayed until 2022 F1 regulations with the reintroduction of ground-effect cars.Nor are the rules as all encompassing as the 2026 F1 regulations with active aerodynamics with X and Z modes along with a 50/50 split in power generation from the ICE [Internal Combustion Engine] and the ERS [ Energy Recovery System].F1 cars in 2026 will also be powered by 100% renewable biofuels.Ducati have the benefit of a substantial performance advantage over their rivals that affords them added time to develop their 2027 bike.
why even 850cc... 750cc has legendary status in motorcycle racing.. 850... wth... they wanted more association to road bikes, so 750cc should have been the magic engine volume.
What I found interesting during the 800cc MotoGP era was that manufacturers did not make production bikes of that displacement to leverage off the MotoGP effort. A Yamaha R8 or CBR800RR four-cylinder would still be a great bike for the road.
@@Pillokun yes it does in the motogp, each level is a step up. you're just mad that you don't knw the facts that moto2 ran on 765cc. You're another fair weather fanboy fan that doesn't know the sport and cries for no reason
I believe it is man-made fuel, without using fossil fuels as a base. But understandably - they're not telling us much about it. I think Porsche were working on it for years, and the MotoGP bikes are required to use a percentage of it now, 40% or so, which increases to 100% in 2027. Sounds interesting, but probably costs about $100 a litre.
@@USAracing No idea of the hydrocarbon basis for this fuel, and probably only a few people do know. If you think about the potential value of such a discovery, you can appreciate they may keep it a closely guarded secret! I wouldn't mind trying a few litres though, as lap times have dropped a lot this year. Of course we cannot know if the fuel was implicated in the lap times, but it is certainly interesting, as EVs falter in the marketplace.
@@patkennedy1 The fuels will either be laboratory-created, using components sourced from a carbon capture scheme, or derived from municipal waste or non-food biomass. From Motogp website
Wrong that was a just a more aerodynamic windshield. It wasn't 2027 aero as KTM haven't even started any 2027 development. Unlike all the other manufacturers!
They could probably race the 2027 bike in valencia 2025 and still win. Even with less cc, less aero, etc. They are so far ahead of the other brands...😴😴😴😴
Motogp as boring as batshit. The only thing ducati brought to the sport was destroying it from the inside. They need to be limited to 2 factory bikes only, that's it......
850 and no weight limit! Then we'll see some machines!
There is a bike weight limit 👍🏾
But the 2027 bikes will be lighter in weight than the current bike weight limit. Plus less fuel so further less weight.
This will enable the bikes to go through the corners quicker than currently. We could end up having similar or faster laptimes even though engine reduction to 850cc!
I think Ducati can still dominate from 2027 onwards simply because they have Marc, yes he will be older, but he's more adaptable than others and knows how to ride bikes that have less aero, electronics, gadgets etc. whereas most of the MotoGP grid, especially the top guys have grown up with these latest bikes that do a lot of the work for them, instead of the rider making more difference like in the past. So I think what Marc loses with age, will gain from the performance going back towards the rider.
Marc can only 'defy gravity' for so long, like any of them that kept riding, Rossi et al, and he'll be 33 - 34 by that season. He will still be fast, if he is still racing, but there are more where Acosta came from... The newer riders for MotoGP in 2027 - say David Alonso - may adapt to the different everything of the new formula bike quickly, like Acosta on the MotoGP bike, and I'm afraid the Zarcos and riders of that age will have to move on.
I agree that Ducati could still dominate, but Honda and Yamaha need to be getting serious right now, not waiting until 2027. They need to be keeping up in '25 and '26 as well, or they'll never catch up.
Forgot to say - Ducati won't necessarily still have Marc in '27. He has retained connection with Honda, and would still like to win again with them.
@@patkennedy1 Espargaro was pretyty much always one of the worst riders on the grid, yet 2 years ago and last year he won, finally.. Never did anything since being on the grid and when he won his first race he was 33.. Now, i'd suspect Marc Marquez, at 34, on a good bike, will still be dominating.
@@Bozzzzzz007 Aleix has had plenty of injuries but none as serious as Marc Marquez eye injury, repeated dislocated shoulder, bent bone from 2020!
Father time waits for no one.... even Marc admitted the newer generation Bagnaia, now Acosta are faster than ever.
@@C--A I agree with all you said at the start, but I don't think the new guys are faster than Marc, Stoner, Rossi, Lorenzo in their prime.. I think Marc is still 90% as fast so, lets see my friend.. But I think he will kick ass.. Lets talk again end of the next season.. Hopefully they'll both be injury free. Marc has done things from behind like no other.
I speculated this six months ago. What about the 2027 rules would prevent the bike from being raced in 2025 or 2026? My initial thought was a company like Honda, clearly behind sacrificing one or two grid spots in 2026 to develop the 2027 bike. Keep Repsol the most competitive bike they can build, put Zarco on the 2027 development bike a year early.
When the rules were announced it was speculated that the bikes would be 2-3 seconds slower than current bikes. IMO by the time 2027 rolls around they will be just as fast as 2024 race times.
Just make clear, Ducati won’t race it in 2025. It’ll probably make its test/track debut. With Honda it is hard to know…
@@CrashMotoGP Wouldn't running the 850 prototype break the engine freeze regulation? As you say, it would only be in testing, not racing. Honda notwithstanding. Normally Honda remain very secretive about anything new, like these '27 bikes will be.
Somebody PLEASE buy Gigi some eyebrow tweezers for Christmas!!!
That’s where the knowledge is stored
Its worth half a tenth in downforce
he is rich enough to go to a salon for a quick wax or do laser hair removal
He's a man for god sake
Like is it a religious thing or something deeper or why the hell doesn’t anybody step in and have him clear that out 😭
These bike I think will bring more racing action. 5 years now MotoGP is feeling like f1, hit the front and run away. 2027 will bring more change, especially not seeing only one manufacturer dominant in every race weekend 😉
Overall great changes. Less electronics, less aero, more racing. The changes to displacement will be the big question.
I folunteer to test the 850 this winter in spain FOR FRee !
Like every Motorsport nothing lasts forever....
Personal switch teams, regulations change...I think the balance of power will begin to even itself out with fewer current spec Ducati's on track providing Track data....
I think that regardless of the Reduction in Size and aero will make little differene in terms of Excitement!
There isnt a sport on the planet that is as Competitive or as exciting as MotoGP.!
Thanks for the great content. Im excited to see if Ducati pulls trig and starts their development early. I agree with the consensus, but would ante up and say they can probabaly run the 27 prototype for the whole season and be in front (of races) by the end of season
Pleasure! Oh best believe they’ve started already, the 2027 bike will be in a lot of testing programmes for 2025/2026.
All the manufacturers will already be working on the 2027 bikes from the moment the new regulations appeared
@ianjohnson1207 Actually KTM haven't started any early development of the 2027 bike. Which is why a lot of people think KTM won't be on the grid in 2027!
terrencegriffin5854 Ducati can't run a 850cc engine in 2025 or 2026 lol. As it's against the rules!
They can run it in the allocated test day's and only there.
@@C--A
Certainly looks like it
But you never know until it happens
Regarding the question of Ducati maintaining their performance advantage through the 2027 regulation changes. I think the answer is yes.From an engineering perspective the 2027 regulations do not present a problem/ challenge that the Ducati Corsa team have not dealt with in past years.Although the 2027 rule changes are comprehensive,they are not as drastic as the 2021 delayed until 2022 F1 regulations with the reintroduction of ground-effect cars.Nor are the rules as all encompassing as the 2026 F1 regulations with active aerodynamics with X and Z modes along with a 50/50 split in power generation from the ICE [Internal Combustion Engine] and the ERS [ Energy Recovery System].F1 cars in 2026 will also be powered by 100% renewable biofuels.Ducati have the benefit of a substantial performance advantage over their rivals that affords them added time to develop their 2027 bike.
i guess the earlier you use the new 850cc bike the bigger the advantage youll have in 2027 over the competition over the other manufacturers
ducati will still win
why even 850cc... 750cc has legendary status in motorcycle racing.. 850... wth... they wanted more association to road bikes, so 750cc should have been the magic engine volume.
What I found interesting during the 800cc MotoGP era was that manufacturers did not make production bikes of that displacement to leverage off the MotoGP effort. A Yamaha R8 or CBR800RR four-cylinder would still be a great bike for the road.
Really interesting point! Only just realised, but the Superbike market was much more competitive.
Moto2 uses 765cc. MotoGP has to have a larger engine since it is the premier level
@@popeye089 does not really matter look at f1 with its 1.5cc engine limit compare to other cars like lmp and gt cars.
engine volume is not everything.
@@Pillokun yes it does in the motogp, each level is a step up. you're just mad that you don't knw the facts that moto2 ran on 765cc. You're another fair weather fanboy fan that doesn't know the sport and cries for no reason
WTH is sustainable fuel???
I believe it is man-made fuel, without using fossil fuels as a base. But understandably - they're not telling us much about it. I think Porsche were working on it for years, and the MotoGP bikes are required to use a percentage of it now, 40% or so, which increases to 100% in 2027. Sounds interesting, but probably costs about $100 a litre.
Yes they already use 40% sustainable fuel now
@@patkennedy1 a man made fuel ok what is the petro source? corn?
@@USAracing No idea of the hydrocarbon basis for this fuel, and probably only a few people do know. If you think about the potential value of such a discovery, you can appreciate they may keep it a closely guarded secret! I wouldn't mind trying a few litres though, as lap times have dropped a lot this year. Of course we cannot know if the fuel was implicated in the lap times, but it is certainly interesting, as EVs falter in the marketplace.
@@patkennedy1
The fuels will either be laboratory-created, using components sourced from a carbon capture scheme, or derived from municipal waste or non-food biomass.
From Motogp website
Be awesome if Suzuki could come back for the Premier Class to scrap Ducati
ktm showed us a 2027 aero on pedro acostas bike in the test....
Will KTM even be in Motogp in 2027
Wrong that was a just a more aerodynamic windshield. It wasn't 2027 aero as KTM haven't even started any 2027 development. Unlike all the other manufacturers!
cfmoto should take over KTM
Something along that line may well happen. Slave becomes master...
The high reving of the 800s was the best about that era. I want 20,000 rpm’s in the 850s
There was nothing good about the 800cc era
MV Augusta might be in the mix? Time will tell.
KTM are selling there 51% stake in MV Augusta! So no chance of MV Augusta in Motogp 2027!
KTM wont be in MotoGP in 2026.
Ducati will NOT forgive the last 2 years of electronics in 2025 or 2026
They could probably race the 2027 bike in valencia 2025 and still win. Even with less cc, less aero, etc. They are so far ahead of the other brands...😴😴😴😴
😂 can you imagine?!
Motogp as boring as batshit. The only thing ducati brought to the sport was destroying it from the inside. They need to be limited to 2 factory bikes only, that's it......