£500 vs £3500 Coilovers (Blind Test)
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2023
- Can we really tell the difference between £500 and £3500 coilovers? Well we tested them on our NC Mazda (Miata) MX-5 to see!
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Will's drift is the one for me! Loads of angle and kept it going and even started to flick it back the other way!
Drifting, the real point.....is more about precision control of driving outside of the traction circle....using multiple techniques of manipulation to maneuver while using countersteer......it's not about holding/using maximum (let alone modified) steering angle. Ugh, America did a great job of f*cking up (aka "Americanizing") something requiring time/understanding to achieve precision.
Drifting was way more fun, and the community was much tighter when it was about precision....not just "showoff style".
@@mfohawk6779 you must be fun at parties
Will aka "DK"
@@mfohawk6779 shut up
@@abellsatime378 he doesnt get invited
Will's drift gets my vote
Definitely. Wasn't as smooth as Scott but he ain't a racing driver.
100% agree - bloody good throttle control too from what I could see.
Aggressive, on the edge but in control = Will the drift king.
"in control"😂
Édit: obviously, I vote for will!
@@nicolasherve6738 Sarcasm 😆
@@pizzmo8256 I don't know, Scott one looks in control, also he seems to get more angle....
I like how Scott gives Callum so much grief about racing in the Caterham series, but deep down, you can tell Scott is like a proud older brother. I hope.. great content as always!
Callum just tweeted that he got pole and won his first race too.
@@MaxPower417 He is going to insufferable.
It wouldn't be an Overdrive video if it wasn't raining on the track. Super fun to watch as always!
England in a nutshell really.
They ARE British after all
These videos are what is making UA-cam carry on! Well done! Will you ever have a test of bags vs coilovers with track times? That would be interesting, there is no other video like that!
Somehow i highly doubt they did alignment between those changes. Therefore this driving experience is highly skewed.
@@hagestad Why would you doubt that? The car would be borderline undrivable without some sort of an alignment
@@hagestad nono I mean a whole new video comparing the same car on bags and on coilovers, to see if bags are really that slow compared to coilovers
@@nebsampson8991 The changes would not be drastically different between changing dampers but would definitely affect steering. So initial alignment would be slightly off between damper sets
@@hagestad This is also a very good point to be honest, I'll ask Callum...
(Pro performance parts advisor here) - one thing to note...the TEINs are their entry level offering from the 'Street' series, which re-use OEM top mounts. That, in my mind at least, is where a huge amount of slop/play can come from along with their softer spring rates. As cheap lows they're probably the only acceptable option that isn't anywhere near a grand...but something higher tier like the Flex Z would've been on MeisterR's Clubrace level.
(Not biased, I sell both MeisterR and TEIN coilovers and actually run/have run both personally along with BCs and a few others over the years).
Good video lads, great to see someone digging deeper into this "spend money good - save money bad".
Suggestion for fast road style driving set up on an M140i?
@Adam-M1 honestly, I've had a lot of good feedback on BCs. As a circa 1k option, they're quite versatile and pretty capable.
Fck it im asking it as well 😅 whats your best suggestion for a fiesta st?
@@MartijndeRondeDesigner which one?
@@MattBeardless mk7
As an MX-5 owner, I thank you for testing out the grail coilovers at these three budgets. They are the beasts!
i`m saving this video for later reference. I was already looking for the meister r coilovers, but now I`m pretty sure they are the ones.
Every single time I watch one of your videos I'm blown away by how low your subscriber count is.
These videos are perfection (if a little short). Don't fall in to the usual trap of trying to one up yourselves all the time like every other series / channel / show seems to do. Your relationship is what makes it work and as Top Gear has shown, that is gold dust. But you're relatable too.
As Ali G said; Keep it real
Wouldn't say they've got a low subscriber count. But they're defiantly deserving of more.
Congrats on the 400k subs boys!
So hard to tell on the drift. But Scott held it the longest and seemed effective. Takumi would be proud.
Surprised this channel doesn’t have the subscribers it deserves
Brilliant work fellas
Will's drift was excellent, he just kept it going with a big angle
Scott explaining how adjustable dampers work is the opposite of boring.
Wait a minute, this isn't hi-low
😂😂😂👌
Hi-what?! 😯😂😀🤘
Definitely need more content with this Mx-5, probably one of the best videos so far!
Im surpriced Callum didn't bin it in the drifting competition🤔
Surprised/disappointed - interchangeable words in the circumstances!
This gives me strong Money Pit vibes and I'm all for it
Hi low specifically but yeah, more of the good stuff is more good stuff imo
@@geoffwatches different budgets is a hi-lo thing, but back to back testing on a miata is a money pit thing
Curious if it would still be as noticeable if you tweak the setup for each set with preload and damping if possible. But man, this has got to be a dream job! Just driving around a track and drifting in the rain, perfect! 👌
the better dampers will still be better, tein is still a good set though, just more a sporty road car coilover vs road track vs race to win
@@tturi2 In a sentence, you've basically nailed it - these particular TEINs are somewhat out of their comfort zone on track but would be excellent on a slightly uneven B road for the most part; especially if it was the driver's first RWD car.
You essentially want to have that car as soft as possible before it gets overly wallowy. For what it's worth too, the TEINs in question here do also have adjustable damping (Street Advance Zs generally do, Street Basis Z don't) - that, in turn, can also help iron out some of the roll, squat and dive.
I think the title doesn't do justice to the video! What an original execution of this vs concept! Good job guys!
Absolutely love your videos! Keep it up gents
JUST GOT BACK FROM SCHOOL AND SAW THIS THANK U MY DAY HAS BEEN BORING THIS CHEERS ME UP :D
The more expensive coil overs will likely come pre-adjusted close to where they need to be, while the cheaper ones would need to be adjusted and are likely setup soft for the street. I'd be interested in how close the middle priced ones could get, to the expensive ones, after adjusting preload, compression, and rebound.
The more expensive coilovers come pre-adjusted because they were actually engineered specifically for the platform. Also, adjusting preload isn't a thing on linear rate springs. This is only marketed as a "feature" on cheap quality two piece coilovers like the Tein and Meister R. You won't find preload adjustable on actual engineered race shocks because A. they are using linear rate springs so it doesn't matter if you have .5" of preload or 2" of preload as the effective rate is the same and B. they are one piece shocks
I can tell from experience, putting Xida's on an mx5 without any adjustment makes it look like a whale sits in it.
@@BlakeEM That is not what that is on the one piece shocks lol. Let's break it down, the cheap two piece coilovers have separate preload and height adjustment. The former is done by the higher adjuster and locking ring while the height adjustment is done with the lower locking ring. The height on one piece shocks are done ONLY with adjusting the spring perch. Let me be clear - there is no separate preload adjustment on one piece shocks. This is by design as preload is not a thing on linear rate springs. For example: Let's say the spring rate on spring X is 500 lbs/in with no preload. Want to guess what the spring rate on spring X is with 5" of preload? It's a trick question, since it's the same except now you've reduced total spring travel before binding. They aren't on race shocks for a reason.
@@DrOllie-ve2dv haha. Yep, Xidas don't come pre-adjusted to anything!
That's just it - the cheaper options recommend a specific preload spec so you can't adjust that, and they don't have separate adjustments for compression and rebound (though these Xidas are also single adjustable). The knobs on the cheap shocks don't have as much effect as the knobs on the more expensive ones, ultimately.
Scott had the best drift. It was the smoothest and you can tell he was completely in control. Second was Will, it has the most angle but you can tell that it wasn't as smooth
These videos are entertaining and informative. I actually have 2001 MX-5 and was trying to decide whether I go with higher end coil overs or worry more about the “right” price (aka find some for cheap). Since I’m doing track days, I think waiting to get the best ones I can is a good idea.
“How much do you want to copy donut media?” Them, “YES!!”
Keep it up guys. Love the content
this is a really good way to do this test not knowing whats what!
Loving the content, guys. Keep up the awesome work. Cheers from Hawaii 🤙
This channel has quickly become one of my fav channels on youtube consistently release bomb ass content
Donut media who
Fr their content is so out of touch
I prefer Overdrive over Donut by far.
I feel they are both good for different reasons, donut being a over the top, bit more of a "story" and probably less factual, but still entertainment. Where as this is alot more simple, a bit goofy and whacky, but also informative and feels like just 3 mates making youtube videos. Donut feels more like TV. Both entertainment, just different 🤷🏼♂️
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Another brilliant video with extremely useful information.
Years ago I had Tein SS in a NA Miata, super over sprung and under dampened. My NB has Bilstein coil overs with progressive springs and it’s 100% better at everything (it’s a street car that goes autocross)
One thing I've learned from messing with dirt bike suspension. The hardware can be important, but the SETUP is everything. Better hardware enables a good setup, and fewer compromises. But the best hardware in the world, set up wrong for the environment or for the user, can easily be worse than an incredible POS that happens to be right for the job at hand. This is why stock El Cheapo suspension is usually better than coilovers. The factory cut costs of the parts, but they put a lot of work into choosing spring and damping rates.
12:01 was absolutely not the start of a boring 20 seconds (actually about 40). Especially with the recent F1 focus on RBR's "anti-dive" suspension. You provided a concise explanation of one aspect of setting up a car, and how the suspension plays a significant role.
This was a fun one. Great drifting all around. I want that MX5. 🙂
That's a man that's comfortable around cars!' that look as he stood with the door open leaning on the roof😂😂😂
A racing driver, an engineer and a car nerd.. Best description ever..
I love this channel, short intro, perfect team, frequent uploads..
Congrats for reaching 400k subs!
Really interesting test. Enjoyed that. Thank you 👍
Please be sure to clean the lenses next time... it annoyed the hell out of me 😂
CONGRATS FOR 400K!!!
Congratulations to 400k!
the conversations between your producer and the carpet man were pure class. hilarious :D
The pit camera guy must have been gutted when he saw mark on his lens at the end of the day.
I can’t stop seeing it and it’s annoying 😂
Wills drift was nice
I'd like to have seen these driven on the road. The high spring rates and other aspects of race coilovers could make for a less effective road car. I think for a road driver, the Tein's are a good buy.
We would love to see that too. Customers with Xidas report that even with higher spring rates than cheaper options, they still ride better on the road by virtue of superior valving and damper stroke.
No, because they literally said the most expensive one took the curbs better despite the higher spring rate, the damping wall still better. And they do offer them with softer springs as well (although I think they removed the very soft options from non-custom orders on NA - NB Xidas because they have now developped the Tecna for street applications).
Personnally I'd love to see a comparison between Xida - Tecna - Fox - Öhlins and anything else that would be in a 1500-2500 price range within a close range of spring rates.
Awesome video yet again! And congrats on 400K! I have been wondering how the M3 is doing though 😉
Would be great to know what happened to the M3. Maybe its condition was just too bad to do anything with it (except selling it for parts, as was suggested more than once in the comments on that video)
@@merobo5066 yeah I know, but I still would love to know the entire story. Did they ever mentioned something about this?
@@tomm1413 Not to my knowledge, I too would like to know what happened with that. If they addressed it in a community post I might have missed it though (depending on what happened to the M3 that might be a more suitable format than a video)
Liked this one 👍🏼👍🏼 good to see money can still buy good components rather than just a brand 👍🏼
2:12
I like the timing of the background music. Don't know if it's intentional but i think it's a funny timing with the movements of the car :)
Great video fellas! really enjoy your content! Watch out for the tiny smudge on the camera… 👍
Congratulations on 400K, next is 500k 🎉
My week only begins after a new Overdrive pisode!
Congratulations on 400k Boys 🎉
Awesome review of two of the most popular coilovers for Miata’s, the Xidas and the MeisterR. Would love to see how the Flyin Miata Fox compare.
very enjoyable video, keep it up! it really is telling that all 3 of you guessed all sets correctly. would've also been nice to hear if you think the price difference between them is worth the extra money
This channel deserves at least 10x the current subscriber count.
April 19, 2023 it’s at 401k
What a great video. As the fun factor of the videos is important, I wouldn’t mind a 2nd channel where you could elaborate a bit more about the tech side of the tests, mods, etc …l For this one, I am interested in what was done to keep alignement as close as possible, which spring rates were used, what damper settings were chosen, ….
Love these videos.
Great video. Only thing for me is: how do they stack up for normal road driving? The teins giving body roll means less aggressive damping which you want for roads, but add ARB. If all else equal, less rolly coilovers would just be stiffer damping which would be unusable on the road. Whereas street coilovers like the teins can do both just not as good at each task. Or is that not how it works (I have Tein street basis on my nbfl/mk2.5 mx5 and they're nicer on the road at speedbump scraping height than some stock height cars 😂)
Good job guys ! Cheers from France
That was won by Will, hands down! Scott's drift was clean, Callum's was good, but Will's was flamboyant!
8:01 callum after going into the grass: OHHH GOOD OVER THE KERBS 😂
Scott on the drift just clean.
I like how you did it as a truly blind test.
I don’t think I’ve seen a comparison like this. Found it really interesting!
Would anyone be interested in stock suspension with stiff anti roll bars vs stiff suspension with standard / soft ARBs?
I love how they slowly turning into old top gear keep it up m8👍
Love a bit of set up advice. 👍🏻
Feels weird to be here so early. Also - YAY, 400K, CONGRATS
Are the better coilovers better because they are more expensive or because they have a more appropriate spring rate, bump setting and rebound setting for track driving? Would cheap coilovers with the same settings be the same?
the quality of the dampers is a big part of it, and cheap coilovers don’t have much control over rebound etc
you cannot achieve "same settings" on cheap two-piece shit dampers, thats the point
One more thing(amongst many things) to consider e.g. the Clubrace are running stiffer springs compared to the Tein(if I remember it correctly), meaning would be better suited with a lower TW tire (in general). Which could give even more difference in the driving feel and performance between the two.
Might seem like you just pointed out the obvious but I've been waiting for this video for 15 years. And Will's study was best!
Will absolutely sent that drift😎
i really need a response!!! What coilovers did you put on the renault clio!!!
I think when it's done in such a simple order it makes it easier to tell, should have done middle then cheap then expensive or something along those lines
I think we need a one more time for that drift battle.
What a fun day out. Seems the answer is ALWAYS Miata!
Basically all I learn from these videos is that money doesn’t equal value but you don’t want to buy the cheapest and that the most impactful mod is the driver mod.
The best mod is sticky tyres. The real test is to get a lap time using each type of damper and see if it improves your time.
Scott's drift was precise
Callum's was calculated
Will was just having fun
Huge High-Low/Donut Miedia vibes from this
even the thumbnails and all
i like callum's drift, quite consistent, quite accurate
Where is the best place to buy aftermarkets parts. I always get confused and some sites look weird.
i have the tein on both my miata and my e87 bmw, and i love them. had the bilstein b14 before the tein on my bmw. i use it daily, and on some trackdays.
at my driving skill and with the rest of the chassis still stock, the b14 were definitely overkill. they were good, but i prefered both the feeling AND comfort from the tein.
Against this belief, better dampers will help you at all driving levels. When it comes to suspension the take away should be that you buy once instead of buying several bad options before arriving at the good option.
Just waiting for the comments saying "This guys are just like the OG Top Gear trio" or something like that
Can you 3 do a rally suspension version of this? Im pretty sure youll be the most popular channel to do so
Will was the best drift but scott had more overall control
Congrats on 400I subs
LOVED THE VIDEO
Wills drift just exploded my brain bro what a cool drift damn
so the tein street advance are much more ok for daily driven cars?
Will's drift was best; I think he's had more practise yobbing around supermarket carparks than Scott or Callum!
Woulda been interesting to have mid but setup well and then high but set soft and chill or standard and see if you can tell the difference then.
None can compete my $3.5 spring from pen.
Maybe it's just Saturday and I'm in a good mood - but that was fun.
Is this like that thing where the US and UK get the same show, but with different actors? I'm getting a strong sense of dejá vu
(This is still amazing though, keep it up fellas)
Will did the best drift. Good angle 👌
I love the mixture of professional and clown that Scott has.
GREAT DRFITS - Scott is the winner
So how were they tuned after being changed?
What was the background song at the start of the video?