I like the fact that both twins can be called the joker, for two reason 1. In a deck, there are always 2 jokers 2. “If I’m gonna have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice”
And it worked. Suicide squad made more money than god, and one of the main marketing pushes was the joker. Let's not forget that suicide squad almost made 1bn $. Gotham on the other hand...
@@cameronvelska4610 The movie sucks, still made a ton of money and Gotham didn't. And that is the only thing that matters to the people that decide these things. Gotham is OK, I wouldn't call it high art either. It's fun.
@@beyondhyper692 It made a billion dollars, it doesn't matter how good it is. The billion dollars made sure that the sequel would exist regardless of quality, just like with venom and sonic (i would argue venom is worse than suicide squad, yet here we are). Millions of people have decided the worth of Suicide squad and hundreds have decided Gotham's. Like the joker said: we live in a society. Suicide squad is still trash; expect more like it to come. Sony has heard the public loud and clear: less into the spiderverse but venom and suicide squad all the way (I hear that the new one is much better but I'm not touching that shit on principal). Into the spiderverse probably made it's money back while being a pain to make (lots of work + money) and venom was shat out in a month for 100m and made a literal 1000% profit, hence the sequels. And venom might be the worst movie I have ever seen, while Spiderverse is The dark knight levels of good.
Actually, Joker was very MUCH like Jeremiah's version when he was introduced in the 1940's. He was a cold, calculating gangster with an appearance that belies his cold calculation. He didn't become a force of chaos until the 1970's. Jerome was Modern Joker. Jeremiah was classic Joker.
My opinion? We got the clown--Jerome, the mastermind--Jeremiah, but we never got the comedian. We were missing the comedian, and he should have been more John Doe like, imo.
I love that cameron went from being the best live action joker to being the face and voice of now one of the most beloved jedi The reverse hamill if you will
@@charliegraham4123yeah bro he definitely was the best version of the joker but heath was my favorite and joaquin was god tier as well but Cameron just murdered it
What about the lookalike in the finale of season 2, with Jerome's laugh and you can see them walking away from the bus. They never really acknowledged that
Isn’t there a comic that shows that there’s actually 3 jokers? One being a chaotic trickster god, one being a crime lord, and one being a “comedian” and small criminal?
The reason I will always rank Cameron's performance over every other live action iteration is because he wasn't even supposed to be the Joker, he was supposed to be a fakeout but he did so well that the entire audience was like "fuck you, that's the Joker" and then he proceeded to steal the entire show, which, let's be real here, is a very Joker thing to do
He's just so joker-ish that even if you didn't know that he is the joker, you would still know that he is the joker, even though he isn't really the joker.
What makes this kid my favorite joker is because he doesn’t just portray his version of joker, he plays the faithful representation of MULTIPLE jokers throughout the franchise.
@@strongersmarterandbetter Okay Grandpa, let's get you away from the keyboard for today and back to your bedside. The old trouble is acting up again, i see
This man acts like the Joker. He looks like the Joker. He talks like the Joker. He drives people mad like the Joker. But never forget, as long as they don't have the rights, his name ain't the Joker.
fuck the rights jerome was the joker of this show and after that jeremiah took his place and i didn't like the ending so i dont say nothing 'bout that xd but it's a shame cameron didn't have as much screentime than the other characters but quess i can understand that because of his other work.
Y'all don't get it. Its not the Joker not only because of the rights, but it gave way for the team to be very creative in Joker's origin story being literally multiple choice because there are many potential Jokers still out there. One of the directors said the real Joker was still out there taking notes on the twin Jokers. While there were technically 3 versions of the Joker on scree ( I say only 2 because Jeremiah wasn't fully realized in his personal till he got dropped in that acid, created the true "2nd coming" of the Joker) , it's still only 2 "characters", leaving room for another Joker to finally take up the mantle (unless it is Jeremiah, which I wouldn't mind at all. Cameron nailed Joker to a tee).
@@korebiis because DC/warner was being weird with the rights of their characters at the time. Didn't want a TV joker competing with or confusing people with the Suicide Squad one. In fact for a long time the TV versions weren't allowed a LOT of characters. Or even introduced them (harley in Arrow) only to be told later that they weren't allowed to use them.
Honestly, I think the reason Jeremiah was so hated was mainly because we had to loose Jerome to get him. Instead they should have just let them coexist for a while, both with their personalities and types of plans, maybe sometimes working together or against each other. Then eventually in one episode they could have maybe let them both fall into the acid but only one comes out alive ,who is from then on "J", who is somehow a combination of both and we never know who of the brothers died or who survived.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. - That story has been resolved a long time ago in "Three Jokers", "Joker: The Man who stopped laughing" and in another arc in the regular Batman title. We're back to one Joker now. (unless...)
@jamilis6031 why didnt they just do that, your idea not only works into the whole Joker doesnt have a backstory and if it is it’s multiple choice but it also ties in everything together rather neatly and adds further depth to Joker!
@@shadowdouglas450 yep pulled the reverse Hamill Hamill went from being a great jedi to the best joker voice Cameron went from best live action joker to voicing one of the now most loved jedi
I love when Gordon asked Penguin why he was following Jerome, and Penguin explicitly stated that Jerome scared the hell out of him XD. I don't blame him cause the Joker and Jerome were both unpredictable asf. Literally a hair's trigger away from either blowing your brains out or giving you a playful hug. It was like that in the comics and animated series as well. The Penguin never teamed up with The Joker unless he was forced to.
I firmly believe that the perfect joker would be a mix of heath ledger and matk Hamil. Not just heath with marks voice but a hybrid of their joker personalities. Cameron fits that bill perfectly and is truly one of the best jokers.
@@williamwalker5244 Jerome is exactly what you described, he has the playfully charismatic and humorous yet insane personality of the Hamill's Joker mixed with the nihillistic philosophy and pure evilness of Heath Ledger's Joker.
Jerome. For me, he had the most psychotic facial expressions and the body type. You were right. Near the end of the season, you would sit thru the other characters just to see Jerome. Amazing work, Vee.
See, if I could have a combination of the first two jokers rather than the ending one, I would. Jerome was chaotic, which is the main attribute to the Joker, himself. But, for as crazy as he is, he doesn’t have any class to him. Think 89 Batman. Sure, he’s crazy, but he doesn’t just do anything to get what he wants. He has a bit of finesse about it. He plans, and does it well. That’s what Jeremiah does. But, he’s not crazy enough. With enough of the right help, he could’ve been cured. When we all know, there’s no curing the Joker. That’s why I want a combination of the two. *He* would represent what we have in the comics the most.
@@redhood7524 Well Jerome did manage to convince Firefly, Mr Freeze, Mad Hatter and Scarecrow to work for him without really threatening them or using violence and they got on pretty well. And according to Penguin, Jerome carefully made sure that he only tells certain parts of his plan to certain people, hell Jerome even knew that Penguin might betray him and had his own goons spy on Penguin. Also in 4x18, Jerome had snipers guard him while he has the crowd hostage with Firefly. But I see your point too
There the 3 jokers the clown the criminal and the comedian Jerome is the clown Jeremiah is the criminal After ace chemicals is the comedian Jeremiah never laughs
This guy is the best Joker! He embodies the character as it’s supposed to be. He should be in the next Batman movie. Just unleash his savagery on Gotham.
@@danwarner7816 The Joker in other media has done both the tantrums and the lovings. I think it's cool that they showed both sides with two different characters. I'm only kinda disappointed that the red hood lost its significance as being a part of his origin... But my theory is that the final Joker would be a later red hood who was inspired by Jerome and Jeremiah. It's a bit messy, but eh.
@@OdaKa basically they did had a joker they spread him out into a philosophy than actual person but they couldn't use his name for reasons concerning Warner Bros is unknown
don't care who's the "true joker" there's no such thing, they're all valid iterations. Let's just stand in complete awe of how AMAZING an actor Cameron is
This man didnt just play a joker, He played 3 jokers. all 3 based on other reference material and interations of the character and he nailed all of them. what am incredible actor. hope to see more of him soon.
Your point about the Joker demanding attention in a room without ever asking for it...totally fits Jeremiah too, though? He just doesn’t do it in a jovial way right off the bat like Jerome; he starts by doing it in a quiet way that makes you scared of his mere presence being in the same room with you. Because while you literally have no clue what he’s thinking, you just know that it’s gonna be bad for you. Jerome just did not have that scary factor to him, as insane as he was; the fun with him being onscreen was simply seeing what random twisted hijinks he’d get up to, he was FUN to watch. But you never got the idea that he could be the gangster-esque Clown Prince of Crime one day, ya know? Jerome easily has the charismatic nature, which is key, but charisma just does not equate to intelligence, & I’m sorry but the Joker is most certainly supposed to be intelligent; also very key. When Jeremiah walks into a room, you don’t know what sort of twisted plan/contingency he has to get out of that room; given his proven technical know-how in the past, that makes him almost more terrifying than Jerome in a way, at least to me. I think the show makes it a point to say that the Joker would not work unless you have both the anarchist nature of Jerome as well as the calculating mind of Jeremiah; that’s why he starts really coming into the role in season 5. It’s the many starkly different (yet key) personality traits of the Joker finally blending in a coherent way. Jerome was one side of the Joker; Jeremiah was another side, but not any less important. I respect your opinion though, I do love Jerome dearly, I just think Jeremiah is not this “inaccurate portrayal” that a lot of people try to paint him out to be.
Well said. Jerome is very fun to watch and is clearly extremely insane, but Jeremiah has always given off that "Joker" presence to me, even when before Season 5, when he's much more serious and calm. Joker hasn't always been as maniacal, and he tended to be more of a serious criminal mastermind when he was first created. Jerome's relationship with Bruce also needed a lot of work. Jerome only really thought of Bruce as a loose-end that he wanted to kill instead of the twisted sense of friendship and obsession that both Jeremiah and the comic book Joker have.
@@ignisinfernal1843 Exactly, totally agree with you here. Jerome’s connection with Bruce was literally forced upon him by Theo Galavan; he himself had no real attachment to Bruce beyond “I remember that some guy told me to kill you in another life so now I want to kill you again”; falls so flat when you really think about it. Jeremiah on the other hand feels like the opposite side of a coin from Bruce right from his introduction, in so many ways. I’ll finish by saying that Joker is so menacing in other media because he’ll tell you jokes, sure, but you know that when he decides to go quiet you’re in for the most terrifying moments of your life. With Jeremiah, you get tons of moments just like that; Jerome just didn’t have those actual “scary” moments for me, but that’s okay because it worked so well in painting a full-on portrayal of the Joker by the end of the series. Different chaotic personalities all blended together to become the twisted clown that we all know.
Literally Jeremiah embodies the joker who gets invited to an all villains plot to take down Batman and his wealth And the joker just ends up killing the man who Invited them and takes over the plan simply because he didn’t think of it and he wanted to do it first even though he lost resources in the process of killing the guy he still pulls everything off and they even call him the devil in that series He was just jealous he was deemed unworthy of anything less than the master of the plan (Joker wars arc)
To be fair, I'm pretty sure "Jeremiah" was the response to the pushback from WB that Jerome was too much like the Joker. The Gotham showrunner(s) then decided to pull out one of the Joker's "personalities," as it were, likening the two characters to the split personalities of Two-Face. "Jerome is too much like Joker? Okay, how about we show you what it would be like if the Joker and Two-Face were the same character? We saw the Psychopath, now let's see the Sociopath."
I doubt that. Both Jerome and Jeremiah are based off of two different versions of the Joker (Jerome is the modern age Joker and Jeremiah is the Golden Age Joker). I think they wanted to go a different direction. Imo, they had done just about everything they could with Jerome. He was already killed and resurrected, had his face cut off, had a cult, and tried to kill Bruce and was beaten by him when he was a child. Jerome was actually missing a lot of aspects of Joker, like him being a genius comparable to Batman (Jerome was smart, but was easily outsmarted by child Bruce and Galavan), his twisted obsession with Bruce and seeing him as a friend (Jerome only thought of Bruce as a loose end when before he was killed and unlike Joker, wanted to kill Bruce), and he didn't really look like Joker aside from the cut off face (though this might've been more due to WB restricting the show, but they were able to be more accurate later on, and Joker isn't supposed to be crazy before his transformation, anyway).
I always loved how they split the aspects that make up jokers personality into 3 separate iterations, his sadistic side, his devious side, and his pure insane side
Drew Powell (Solomon Grundy) is seriously such a cool dude. I act with a nonprofit theatre company in my town (which is also the same town that he was born) and he did a video call with all of us conservatory students. He’s passionate about his hometown, and the fact that he helped out our nonprofit theatre for free shows that he’s just a genuine and great guy
Jerome: the clown, the one who wants to laugh at people dying and suffering. Jeremiah:the criminal, the one who wants to have a connection with Batman and sees batman as his lord and his friend. J: the comedian, is chaos. Tries to be worst pain of Batman. An Easter egg: Jeremiah doesn’t laugh. Just like the criminal.
I must admit, I was skeptical for a long while when it was revealed that it would be Jeremiah rather than Jerome who would end up being the real Joker, as he just didn’t seem like the Joker. Despite the Joker-like appearance he gained from Jerome’s gas, he was far too cold and calculating, like an unfeeling sociopath rather than the maniacal psychopath he was supposed to be. He was doing things the Joker would do, he just wasn’t playing the part right and lacked a certain Joker feel. That is, until the final episode when he made his final and complete evolution, that’s what truly sold it for me. It was a long, drawn out transformation, but the final result was well worth it. And his relationship with Bruce, and by extension Batman, was very well done, as it essentially and almost accurately made Monaghan’s Joker’s whole reason for being revolve around Bruce. It was even strongly implied that he figured out that Bruce was Batman, and didn’t care about his identity, which has also been implied in the comics as well.
@@artofmartialcinemaamc5334 After Batman hit his hand with a baterrang, it was implied that he recognized Batman for who he really was when he saw him in the shadows.
Mr J would have maybe been my favourite character if he didn't only have one episode. I really liked him and his design was perfect in my opinion, I would have wanted more episodes with him
@@princeouedward2439 Gotham was about building up the lore and the characters so Batman could begin, so it made sense to have little of the Joker, but yes, I would have liked more of him too.
I've been going down a Joker rabbit hole lately and I'm not coming back haha but yeah I believe Cameron Monaghan should be the next movie Joker, he's amazing.
@@Fairly-odd-kel Just rewatched a teaser trailer. You can spot "Jerome Av." sign when Arthur (Joker) is on a date with a girl at a cafe. I'm not a big fan of the film, can barely remember it. Not sure how far was the Asylum. Maybe it's the same street, maybe not. I bet true fans know better. But the fact is Jerome Av exist in the Joker Movie universe, in the teaser trailer even))
Cameron Monaghan (silent G, by the way) is one of the greatest underrated actors of our generation and I’ll never shut up about him. I got to know him for Shameless, and then watched Gotham for him. He’s incredible.
This kid was able to capture the spirit of Nicholson's, Ledger's and even a touch of Romero's joker along with a little Hamill and then the comic books and still pulled it off as his own performance. That my friends is what you call an artist
Yeah i saw him in fallen order and i was like bruh werent you just killing dudes for fun and now youre saving the light and fighting the forces of evil? Odd
A backwards Mark Hamill, he’s a Jedi in a game and a joker in live action, while Hamill is a Jedi in live action and joker in game (along with his other animated versions)
Cameron Monaghan's performance is honestly more true and connected to Joker than any other. He was like Heath Ledger, with the Jack Nicholson charm. It was sad to see that a mediocre-good at times show was so enhanced by one character, but it was still compelling
@@Soundwave_King1 I agree, but to me Frank Gorshin will always be the Riddler to me. The Riddler has always been campy and over the top, even dating back to the original comics, and Gorshin embodied that to a tee
i rlly hope cameron gets cast to play a version of the joker that can actually call himself the joker. he’s a great actor in everything i’ve seen him in
Monaghan was the best because he could bring out any aspect of the character. The sadistic maniac that was Jerome, the chilling and reserved menace of Jeremiah, and this may be cheating, but after his performance in shameless he could play the Joker in the same way Phoenix plays him, a broken man who made a monstrous abstract sculpture from his broken pieces. I'd also like to see him play Carnage, Hannibal, and even Jim Stark if we got a remake of "rebel without a cause." Who else would you like to see Cameron play? Please respond to my comment, whoever sees this.
He deserves to become a huge movie star. He has looks, huge talent, creativity, bravery to take on very contraversial roles. And if nowadays the only way to get recognition is to get attached to any big movie universe (Marvel, DC or Starwars), so it be! He deserves it all and more. His potential is too big to fit in a tiny TV show, he needs more room)
@@danybey4182 James Dean's character from "rebel without a cause." 1953, I think. Physically Cameron shares a lot of features with Dean and if you've seen the you're tearing me apart scene you can easily compare it to that one scene where Ian won't get up and everybody is like "Are you okay?"
Its that low growl he gets when talking "calmly" that i find such an entertaining element of Camerons performance and the same with Mark Hamill. Its the voice you get from laughing too much
I'm paraphrasing here but that's the thing it's even said in the Three Jokers comics that the idea was to break Batman and open wounds (mentally) the idea is never to kill him cause then Jokers purpose would be gone.
Jerome had the manic fun Jeremiah had the eerie calm J seemed to be starting to mix the two, I really wish they had more time in the end to show the character he became - I think it would have been epic. From what we got, I lean towards Jerome more than Jeremiah.
Jerome was a good start up to for Joker's origins, but when his brother Jeremiah turned into more of intelligent and even more crazy Joker I felt satisfied with a different Clown Prince of Crime for this different Batman universe, plus the proto Harley Quinn was exciting to watch. bottom line: great Joker.
100% right when you say he is playing the quintessential Joker. He successfully combined the comic goofiness of Ceser Romero, the recognisability of Mark Hamill and that ruthless, chaotic, fear inducing demeanour of Heath Ledger. And for how young the bloke was when he played the 'joker' in Gotham, it's just extra impressive
I think it was honestly very clever the way they went about it. Jerome was straight up dangerously psychotic, Jeremiah was deviously calculating, and J was a brilliant combination of both. Gotham was overall a stunningly good series, that people didn't give enough credit to. I wish they'd find some way to bring it back
the fact that hamill actually liked camerons version shows how good it was, i trust hamills opinion over basement dwellers any day of the week, hheath ledgers joker was iconic, but camerons is raw and fresh, while being pure and original
I'm sorry but I have say that I prefer Cameron's portal of "The Joker" over any other. He had that natural ear to ear grin without the need of make-up. Also the laugh was spot on. I have to say his performance was worthy of an Emmy & Golden Globe. Any future roll of the Joker in a movie or another series Cameron should be 1st choice for casting. He has won me over as lifelong fan from here on out. L❤VE HIM❗
I full-heartedly believe that if Jerome and Jeremiah had stayed together instead of being separated by their mother that they would have ruled Gotham as two sides of the same coin. The anarchist mad man and the unfeeling cut-off Sociopathic criminal mastermind, both of them equal in power but taking on two very different sides of that same power. Jerome is the one that people want to follow because of his charisma and the unnaturally hypnotic pull that they feel toward him, he's relatable and has the perfect sob story to go with it of an unloving abusive mother and just as cruel and abusive extended family not to mention that his mere presence in a room commands respect. Jeremiah, on the other hand, doesn't put on a show as his brother does he just assumes that others will follow his lead. His cold, calm collected attitude along with this air he has about himself, this avid assuredness that he is always in charge even when he is in situations where he is the farthest thing from it gives him this aura of power and lends to him a belief that he is untouchable, that he can not be killed, this strikes fear and unwavering respect into anyone who is within his presence. This is what makes people follow him, fear, respect, and power that's how the Valeska brothers would rule Gotham, everyone would bow down those who didn't would be made a public example of and end up taking a permanent dirt nap.
Jeremiah was an important step to the Joker, Jerome was TOO psychotic. He was too out there. He was a thug. Jeremiah, had the intelligence, the calmness and a grander version.
Jeremiah didn’t have that joker personality like Jerome did. I mean Jerome had the laugh, smile, spirit, “jokes”, actually looks like joker. Also at some moments Jerome gives off the Heath ledger vibes with his face and gestures. On the other hand Jeremiah looks like some 80s cartoon show doodoo. Also the make up on Jeremiah looks shitty. Jeremiah talks slow and boring, doesn’t even sound like the joker and he had to be created like the typical old fashion purple coat and green hair boring joker, at least with Jerome he was wearing a different and better outfit. Also joker is very psychotic and that’s what Jerome was and he wasn’t afraid to do stuff alone while Jeremiah had an army watching his back. Jeremiah to me was a different villain but not joker imo.
@@nicksawyer320 I disagree, i feel they have the same goals: to make gotham mad and spread the "joker" ideals, and that the only reason jeremiah is so much more serious is he sees the scope of it all, before the laughing gas he was an architect and an engineer, a pragmatist with keen constant knowledge of every moving part of every plan, jerome did what he did simply because he wanted to and treated gotham like a toy, jeremiah grasps the necessity of it all and considers gotham a cancer patient, to most radiation is a poison, to some a cure, in the same way he considers insanity gothams antidote, and himself as doing a public service and a labour he cant do half heartedly
Imo both suck. Jerome has the concept of insane Joker (Calling Mark Hamill Joker a thug is an insult to the character), but just lacks the hamminess. He speaks iconic Joker lines, but he never screams them into the air, while laughing like a hyena. He has a bit of pizzazz, but not nearly enough to actually be Joker. I'd say Jack Nicholson gets closer, even if his backstory is REALLY dumb. Jeremiah ISN'T Joker. He just isn't. It's the same as Heath Ledger, he was a great actor but he wasn't The Joker. Joker isn't a nihilist, calmed individual. The closest he ever got was in "The Killing Joke", and even then not only is that comic quite overrated (Except the backstory), it also happened during a period when Joker still had some sense. But now everyone treats Joker like he's a man trying to prove that everyone is just like him, when he never was. It's just that DC adopted new Joker for the New 52, when Ledger's Joker might as well be evil Anarchy. If you want to see The TRUE Joker, and how the character's done justice, look at the Arkham series of games. Especially Origins & Knight. Joker there is the TRUE Joker: A psycopath with no plan but a brilliant mind for murder & mayhem.
@@tragedyplustime8271 There is no TRUE Joker there are legit three of them and all 3 of them conform to different archetypes. 1- is that Methodically Sinister Kingpin of Crime. 2- is the absolutely insane Sometimes harmless, sometimes deadly clown. 3- The more modern, Sadistic, embodiment of Chaos. Any form of media can take these and follow them to the letter or form hybrids of them. Heath and Joaquin are both the 3rd Modern Joker but they play it completely different ways. Leto despite his failings is clearly inspired by the 1st while Romero is Defo the second and Nicholson is somewhat of a hybrid of 1 and 2. DC have come out with the Three Jokers storyline which basically confirmed this but people who looked at Joker's mannerisms over the years have known this for quite a while tbh.
first time ive seen one of your videos, but when you said Cameron Monaghan was comparable to heath ledgers joker i instantly subbed and liked he plyed that roll SOOOOOOOOOO well.
Monaghan is a comic book kid , that's why he was so good. When he was a teen he got picked up for trespassing at six flags and told the cops his name was " Tim Drake". I saw more similarities between Monaghan and Hamill than him and Ledger
Jerome is the most superior Joker live action wise, change my mind. Edit: Gotham did three Jokers before the comics actually went through with it. We had the anarchist, the gangster, and the serial killer. As David (the actor of Bruce Wayne in Gotham) said, people should look at it as one incarnation of Joker. After all, don’t we look at the three Jokers in the comic as one incarnation instead of three?
I think it's cool how there's both Jerome and Jeremiah playing the role of an "unofficial joker." Like the two joker cards in a deck, one black and white (Jeremiah) serious, calculated, cold. And the colorful joker card (Jeremiah) charismatic, mysterious, breath-taking.
I loved both Jerome and Jeremiah, but somehow Jeremiah hit different for me as a villain. From the reveal with the cloth wiping away the makeup to his dressing style.
The best Joker, Riddler and may be the best Penguin [has there ever been a bad one?]. The most realistic Mr Freeze too. Shame they never managed a good Scarecrow of Poison Ivy.
Jerome was the Joker, hands down but Cameron Monaghan was so badass and all his Renditions of the Joker on the show!!! I'd love to see him as the Joker in a feature film I mean come on, he'd kill it!!!
I was one of the people who became invested because of Jerome. I love the actor though, in everything he does. His performance as Jerome has been one of my all time favorites.
When Gordon talks to Jerome at 5:56 …Jerome talks in a normal voice then looks down an comes up with that stare an joker laugh…greatness…nothing but pure….JOKER
This was absolutely a situation where they didn't expect Cameron to be as perfect as he was and then they we're like, "well, we kinda gotta do it now!" Maybe he'll get cast as an official Joker someday in the future.
Starting this show from the start and meeting Jerome so early on he was such a stand out. It was always a treat when he showed up and I was so glad he and the actor took off
I'm curious if the show creators were told to change the character of their interpretation of the Joker by DC? Hence why they would kill him off then bring him back as a total different character.
gotham is my personal favourite show of all time and mainly because of the fact that they picked the perfect actor that completely understood the character as if they were them and looked how i think they should e.g Gordon Riddler penguin joker (technically not but still) Bruce Barbara as a villain Catwoman just to name a few and im glad that ive managed to get people to watch this incredible show btw im not saying the show was badly writen it is amazing in every way and even with worse understandings of the characters this would still be one of my favourite if not still my favourite show
I like the fact that both twins can be called the joker, for two reason
1. In a deck, there are always 2 jokers
2. “If I’m gonna have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice”
Best interpretation by far
But there’s always a criminal, a clown, and a comedian
They're both great Jokers, but they embody different aspects of the comic character, who is by his very nature a contrarian.
@@illuminatipoodle4517 The three Jokers storyline is utter cancer.
No denial that Jerome was the character who looped me into the show.
I didn't know Jerome would be a good character, I just saw cam as an actor and it's about batman
A loophole looped you in?
@That Guy maybe, but you cant go wrong with that. Especially with jerome
Same
ayy i remember just watching it because..batman villians, i was probably 1 episode from just callin it a day and then i saw him...
Imagine telling Gotham they didn't have the right to use the Joker as a character but greenlighting the Joker in Suicide Squad
And it worked. Suicide squad made more money than god, and one of the main marketing pushes was the joker. Let's not forget that suicide squad almost made 1bn $.
Gotham on the other hand...
@@sssenseiii don't defend that cancer movie
@@cameronvelska4610 The movie sucks, still made a ton of money and Gotham didn't. And that is the only thing that matters to the people that decide these things.
Gotham is OK, I wouldn't call it high art either. It's fun.
@@sssenseiii nah I’m with Cameron on this one. Don’t defend the cancerous movie
@@beyondhyper692 It made a billion dollars, it doesn't matter how good it is. The billion dollars made sure that the sequel would exist regardless of quality, just like with venom and sonic (i would argue venom is worse than suicide squad, yet here we are). Millions of people have decided the worth of Suicide squad and hundreds have decided Gotham's. Like the joker said: we live in a society.
Suicide squad is still trash; expect more like it to come. Sony has heard the public loud and clear: less into the spiderverse but venom and suicide squad all the way (I hear that the new one is much better but I'm not touching that shit on principal).
Into the spiderverse probably made it's money back while being a pain to make (lots of work + money) and venom was shat out in a month for 100m and made a literal 1000% profit, hence the sequels. And venom might be the worst movie I have ever seen, while Spiderverse is The dark knight levels of good.
Actually, Joker was very MUCH like Jeremiah's version when he was introduced in the 1940's. He was a cold, calculating gangster with an appearance that belies his cold calculation. He didn't become a force of chaos until the 1970's. Jerome was Modern Joker. Jeremiah was classic Joker.
My opinion? We got the clown--Jerome, the mastermind--Jeremiah, but we never got the comedian. We were missing the comedian, and he should have been more John Doe like, imo.
@@KB-zq9ny if we get a form of future Gotham maybe J coulda been the comedian
I think they are two sides of the joker because joker isn't just chaos he is intelligent chaos which makes him even scarier
"Actually, he isn't an awful actor...he researched the role, kinda." - you.
@@sooperd00p notice how noisy agrees with you
I love that cameron went from being the best live action joker to being the face and voice of now one of the most beloved jedi
The reverse hamill if you will
The best live action joker ???
@@charliegraham4123 yes he is, guy just built different.
@@charliegraham4123yeah bro he definitely was the best version of the joker but heath was my favorite and joaquin was god tier as well but Cameron just murdered it
Have some respect to heath ledger
Have some respect to heath ledger
Jerome: "The Clown,"
Jeremiah: "The Criminal" almost like they wanted to do the 3 jokers
What about the lookalike in the finale of season 2, with Jerome's laugh and you can see them walking away from the bus. They never really acknowledged that
Jesus “the Christ”
St Julian had Split Personality disease. three Jokers in One all along,
Isn’t there a comic that shows that there’s actually 3 jokers? One being a chaotic trickster god, one being a crime lord, and one being a “comedian” and small criminal?
@@redblake66 yes it's still leaves it open to interpretation on few things
The reason I will always rank Cameron's performance over every other live action iteration is because he wasn't even supposed to be the Joker, he was supposed to be a fakeout but he did so well that the entire audience was like "fuck you, that's the Joker" and then he proceeded to steal the entire show, which, let's be real here, is a very Joker thing to do
He's just so joker-ish that even if you didn't know that he is the joker, you would still know that he is the joker, even though he isn't really the joker.
Hell even my mom who last watched the series years ago haven't even reached season 3 already know he's the joker
Well said
Right, that's exactly it
When I was watching my dad walked in, saw Jerome in his episode in season 1 and said “oh he’s gonna be the joker isn’t he?”
From gay brother to the joker to a Jedi this dudes got some range
This is my most liked comment ever thanks for agreeing with me guys and gals🤘❤️
Mark Hamill range
@@selfimprovement5873 I don’t think hamill played a gay character yet but he’s got 2 out of 3!
@@thedistractedcanadian4355 the shameless.
@@mroiddzhem7311 what do you mean
@@thedistractedcanadian4355 he played a gay character in American adaptation of Shameless.
What makes this kid my favorite joker is because he doesn’t just portray his version of joker, he plays the faithful representation of MULTIPLE jokers throughout the franchise.
He's literally ripping off Heath and other jokers he's up there with Leto as one of the worst
@@strongersmarterandbetter Okay Grandpa, let's get you away from the keyboard for today and back to your bedside. The old trouble is acting up again, i see
@@strongersmarterandbetternope, that's the shittiest take i have ever heard 🤦
Yep. Hes like a medley of them all, and by that he pays homage to them
Damn, even Mark Hamill loved his performance so that says something.
Fun fact: in the Netflix subtitles for gotham. Jerome is literally called Joker, in the episode where he torments penguin in arkham
Lmao I literally just watched that episode and it's true.
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What the heck?! XD
Can confirm, as I'm re-watching gotham right now n just watched that episode earlier today n saw that subtitle n was like wait wtf 😮
I always remember that moment for some reason when I watched the series
This man acts like the Joker. He looks like the Joker. He talks like the Joker. He drives people mad like the Joker. But never forget, as long as they don't have the rights, his name ain't the Joker.
fuck the rights jerome was the joker of this show and after that jeremiah took his place and i didn't like the ending so i dont say nothing 'bout that xd but it's a shame cameron didn't have as much screentime than the other characters but quess i can understand that because of his other work.
Y'all don't get it. Its not the Joker not only because of the rights, but it gave way for the team to be very creative in Joker's origin story being literally multiple choice because there are many potential Jokers still out there. One of the directors said the real Joker was still out there taking notes on the twin Jokers. While there were technically 3 versions of the Joker on scree ( I say only 2 because Jeremiah wasn't fully realized in his personal till he got dropped in that acid, created the true "2nd coming" of the Joker) , it's still only 2 "characters", leaving room for another Joker to finally take up the mantle (unless it is Jeremiah, which I wouldn't mind at all. Cameron nailed Joker to a tee).
if they have the rights to all the other characters, why not joker?
He's much MUCH more of a Joker than Jared Leto will ever be
@@korebiis because DC/warner was being weird with the rights of their characters at the time. Didn't want a TV joker competing with or confusing people with the Suicide Squad one. In fact for a long time the TV versions weren't allowed a LOT of characters. Or even introduced them (harley in Arrow) only to be told later that they weren't allowed to use them.
Clown - Jerome
Criminal - Jeremiah
Comedian - J
Perfect. I mean, the writers almost kinda predicted the Three Jokers storyline
Their Godfather, St Julian was a Ginger being raised by Dark Gypsy Romanians in the Circus.
@@luis.aacjara Also Bane attacking Alfred and Joker wanting to alter Batman's origin so he can be his biggest pain
It’s not the Comedian, it’s the Psychopath
@@brewmaster2912 Don’t take examples from MatPat.
Jerome's laugh is also something special.
It isn't over the top like Hamill's could be, it's subdued, measured. Controlled.
Terrifying.
I'm always partial to the pained laugh especially when you're dealing with the vat of acid backstory
This is what his laugh reminded me of: ua-cam.com/video/pjuQT14Y0r0/v-deo.html
His laugh is Jacks
Ain’t no way you called hamills laugh over the top
Honestly, I think the reason Jeremiah was so hated was mainly because we had to loose Jerome to get him. Instead they should have just let them coexist for a while, both with their personalities and types of plans, maybe sometimes working together or against each other.
Then eventually in one episode they could have maybe let them both fall into the acid but only one comes out alive ,who is from then on "J", who is somehow a combination of both and we never know who of the brothers died or who survived.
I personally hated him only because he was the cause of Jerome's whole tragedy😒
There's a comic where Bruce basically becomes God because of a super smart chair in space and he finds out there's actually 3 different Jokers.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss.Super smart chair is such a comic book thing
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. - That story has been resolved a long time ago in "Three Jokers", "Joker: The Man who stopped laughing" and in another arc in the regular Batman title. We're back to one Joker now.
(unless...)
@jamilis6031 why didnt they just do that, your idea not only works into the whole Joker doesnt have a backstory and if it is it’s multiple choice but it also ties in everything together rather neatly and adds further depth to Joker!
I think Jerome, Jeremiah and J show how versatile Cameron Monaghan acting ability was to play 3 different versions of the joker
@@Nirroir its cal kestis I think
Who’s J?
@@YesKing212 Jeremiah in season 5
@@evanmoran2609 Yes it is the guy from Fallen order Star wars.
@@shadowdouglas450 yep pulled the reverse Hamill
Hamill went from being a great jedi to the best joker voice
Cameron went from best live action joker to voicing one of the now most loved jedi
There was a point where i was just watching Gotham for Cameron’s performances
I dont even know the rest of the show o only know the joker and the riddler everyone else was boring to me especially bruce
@@theoutsiderjess1869 penguin? Professor pyg?
Literally I watched every scene he's in the rest was uninteresting to me.
Never even watched season 1 bc Cam wasnt in it...oopsy...not sry.
@@duchessdragon6874 I did the same thing 😭😂
He's the first guy "actually" playing The Joker and they can't even claim him as Joker
What?? You think cameron's the first guy to play joker?
@@bilbebop3693 No the guy said that Jerome is the first actor that is fully and completely joker
@@jm-wb8zb have you seen nicholsons portrayal in batman 89 or mark hamills various portrayals
@@bilbebop3693 IM NOT SAYING THEY ARE NOT FULL AND COMPLETELY JOKER THATS WHAT THE GUY IN THE VIDEO SAID THATS WHY I PUT "" AROUND ACTUALLY
@@bilbebop3693 it's crazy, you're unbelievably stupid
Cameron Monaghan is an underrated actor I love actors that can expand their acting beyond what they are known for
I love when Gordon asked Penguin why he was following Jerome, and Penguin explicitly stated that Jerome scared the hell out of him XD. I don't blame him cause the Joker and Jerome were both unpredictable asf. Literally a hair's trigger away from either blowing your brains out or giving you a playful hug. It was like that in the comics and animated series as well. The Penguin never teamed up with The Joker unless he was forced to.
I hate the Penguin in the show lol. I love watching him get played.
I totally think the fact that he grew up in the age of Mark's Joker is part of why he got it right.
Yes that could be a major reason
I firmly believe that the perfect joker would be a mix of heath ledger and matk Hamil. Not just heath with marks voice but a hybrid of their joker personalities. Cameron fits that bill perfectly and is truly one of the best jokers.
@@williamwalker5244
Jerome is exactly what you described, he has the playfully charismatic and humorous yet insane personality of the Hamill's Joker mixed with the nihillistic philosophy and pure evilness of Heath Ledger's Joker.
Jerome.
For me, he had the most psychotic facial expressions and the body type. You were right. Near the end of the season, you would sit thru the other characters just to see Jerome.
Amazing work, Vee.
See, if I could have a combination of the first two jokers rather than the ending one, I would. Jerome was chaotic, which is the main attribute to the Joker, himself. But, for as crazy as he is, he doesn’t have any class to him. Think 89 Batman. Sure, he’s crazy, but he doesn’t just do anything to get what he wants. He has a bit of finesse about it. He plans, and does it well. That’s what Jeremiah does. But, he’s not crazy enough. With enough of the right help, he could’ve been cured. When we all know, there’s no curing the Joker. That’s why I want a combination of the two. *He* would represent what we have in the comics the most.
@@redhood7524
Well Jerome did manage to convince Firefly, Mr Freeze, Mad Hatter and Scarecrow to work for him without really threatening them or using violence and they got on pretty well. And according to Penguin, Jerome carefully made sure that he only tells certain parts of his plan to certain people, hell Jerome even knew that Penguin might betray him and had his own goons spy on Penguin. Also in 4x18, Jerome had snipers guard him while he has the crowd hostage with Firefly. But I see your point too
Jeremiah felt unnerving to me, kinda creepy, but Jerome felt like that chaotic, anarchic, unpredictable crazy man the joker is.
There the 3 jokers the clown the criminal and the comedian
Jerome is the clown
Jeremiah is the criminal
After ace chemicals is the comedian
Jeremiah never laughs
True
@@hiesisme907 actually jeremiah laughed several times - but just not that much as jerome lol
Anarchic wouldnt be the right word, just chaotic
If Mr. Cameron becomes the joker character in the batman (2022) film then that'll be awesome.
This guy is the best Joker! He embodies the character as it’s supposed to be. He should be in the next Batman movie. Just unleash his savagery on Gotham.
he's a ripoff of Heath lmao
@@strongersmarterandbetter ledger is not even that good lol, he was only a "legend" because he died, stop dick riding
Cameron was great at making Jerome and Jeremiah seem like different people. I had to look it up to even figure out that he was both of them.
Cameron is an amazing actor, he almost reminds me of Bill Skarsgård sometimes especially when it comes to this role
True
Glad I'm not the only one, Cameron could've played Pennywise
They both have that weirdly unnerving smile
Jerome: anarchist
Jeremiah: narcissist
Very true jeremiah has the god complex going on but jerome was insane and didnt have to try to get his own following
Jeremiah wanted to be king...
Jerome never pretended to be more than a sadistic Jester
@@jayku1624 and plus Jerome loved losing and Jeremiah throws tantrum when he loses
@@danwarner7816 The Joker in other media has done both the tantrums and the lovings. I think it's cool that they showed both sides with two different characters. I'm only kinda disappointed that the red hood lost its significance as being a part of his origin... But my theory is that the final Joker would be a later red hood who was inspired by Jerome and Jeremiah. It's a bit messy, but eh.
@@OdaKa basically they did had a joker they spread him out into a philosophy than actual person but they couldn't use his name for reasons concerning Warner Bros is unknown
don't care who's the "true joker" there's no such thing, they're all valid iterations. Let's just stand in complete awe of how AMAZING an actor Cameron is
This man didnt just play a joker, He played 3 jokers. all 3 based on other reference material and interations of the character and he nailed all of them.
what am incredible actor. hope to see more of him soon.
I loved his portrayal of the Joker so much. He knocked it out of the park.
"Throwing all that gold away cause you found a really cool rock"... kinda sound like something the Joker would do
Sounds like something I would do
Jeremiah is like og joker from the 40s with his serious demeanor and emotionlessness
Good point!
Your point about the Joker demanding attention in a room without ever asking for it...totally fits Jeremiah too, though? He just doesn’t do it in a jovial way right off the bat like Jerome; he starts by doing it in a quiet way that makes you scared of his mere presence being in the same room with you. Because while you literally have no clue what he’s thinking, you just know that it’s gonna be bad for you. Jerome just did not have that scary factor to him, as insane as he was; the fun with him being onscreen was simply seeing what random twisted hijinks he’d get up to, he was FUN to watch. But you never got the idea that he could be the gangster-esque Clown Prince of Crime one day, ya know? Jerome easily has the charismatic nature, which is key, but charisma just does not equate to intelligence, & I’m sorry but the Joker is most certainly supposed to be intelligent; also very key. When Jeremiah walks into a room, you don’t know what sort of twisted plan/contingency he has to get out of that room; given his proven technical know-how in the past, that makes him almost more terrifying than Jerome in a way, at least to me. I think the show makes it a point to say that the Joker would not work unless you have both the anarchist nature of Jerome as well as the calculating mind of Jeremiah; that’s why he starts really coming into the role in season 5. It’s the many starkly different (yet key) personality traits of the Joker finally blending in a coherent way. Jerome was one side of the Joker; Jeremiah was another side, but not any less important. I respect your opinion though, I do love Jerome dearly, I just think Jeremiah is not this “inaccurate portrayal” that a lot of people try to paint him out to be.
Well said. Jerome is very fun to watch and is clearly extremely insane, but Jeremiah has always given off that "Joker" presence to me, even when before Season 5, when he's much more serious and calm. Joker hasn't always been as maniacal, and he tended to be more of a serious criminal mastermind when he was first created. Jerome's relationship with Bruce also needed a lot of work. Jerome only really thought of Bruce as a loose-end that he wanted to kill instead of the twisted sense of friendship and obsession that both Jeremiah and the comic book Joker have.
@@ignisinfernal1843 Exactly, totally agree with you here. Jerome’s connection with Bruce was literally forced upon him by Theo Galavan; he himself had no real attachment to Bruce beyond “I remember that some guy told me to kill you in another life so now I want to kill you again”; falls so flat when you really think about it. Jeremiah on the other hand feels like the opposite side of a coin from Bruce right from his introduction, in so many ways. I’ll finish by saying that Joker is so menacing in other media because he’ll tell you jokes, sure, but you know that when he decides to go quiet you’re in for the most terrifying moments of your life. With Jeremiah, you get tons of moments just like that; Jerome just didn’t have those actual “scary” moments for me, but that’s okay because it worked so well in painting a full-on portrayal of the Joker by the end of the series. Different chaotic personalities all blended together to become the twisted clown that we all know.
Inaccurate* it's all one word, btw. I totally agree with your view
Honestly why I prefer Jeremiah
Literally Jeremiah embodies the joker who gets invited to an all villains plot to take down Batman and his wealth
And the joker just ends up killing the man who Invited them and takes over the plan simply because he didn’t think of it and he wanted to do it first even though he lost resources in the process of killing the guy he still pulls everything off and they even call him the devil in that series
He was just jealous he was deemed unworthy of anything less than the master of the plan
(Joker wars arc)
Seeing the Kevin Conroy Cameo just hits different now. Great video and it's cool that you managed to get the actors input as well
Jerome is my live action Joker 100%, but I liked Jeremiah too. It was "J" in the finale that I wasn't crazy about.
I love the chemistry between David and Cameron; they felt like they’d grow into the characters we loved and I really wish they could’ve gone farther
We need Cameron in his own joker film.
I would love to see him as Joker in new Batman movies with Robert Pattinson
@@Kiboune_YT unfortunately he lost out to Barry something
Fuck no
@@Kiboune_YT welp
@@garmen- i feel like barry keoghan is gonna do great cameron does deserve his own movie tho
To be fair, I'm pretty sure "Jeremiah" was the response to the pushback from WB that Jerome was too much like the Joker.
The Gotham showrunner(s) then decided to pull out one of the Joker's "personalities," as it were, likening the two characters to the split personalities of Two-Face.
"Jerome is too much like Joker? Okay, how about we show you what it would be like if the Joker and Two-Face were the same character? We saw the Psychopath, now let's see the Sociopath."
I doubt that. Both Jerome and Jeremiah are based off of two different versions of the Joker (Jerome is the modern age Joker and Jeremiah is the Golden Age Joker). I think they wanted to go a different direction. Imo, they had done just about everything they could with Jerome. He was already killed and resurrected, had his face cut off, had a cult, and tried to kill Bruce and was beaten by him when he was a child. Jerome was actually missing a lot of aspects of Joker, like him being a genius comparable to Batman (Jerome was smart, but was easily outsmarted by child Bruce and Galavan), his twisted obsession with Bruce and seeing him as a friend (Jerome only thought of Bruce as a loose end when before he was killed and unlike Joker, wanted to kill Bruce), and he didn't really look like Joker aside from the cut off face (though this might've been more due to WB restricting the show, but they were able to be more accurate later on, and Joker isn't supposed to be crazy before his transformation, anyway).
I personally was thinking the same thing
I always loved how they split the aspects that make up jokers personality into 3 separate iterations, his sadistic side, his devious side, and his pure insane side
Drew Powell (Solomon Grundy) is seriously such a cool dude. I act with a nonprofit theatre company in my town (which is also the same town that he was born) and he did a video call with all of us conservatory students. He’s passionate about his hometown, and the fact that he helped out our nonprofit theatre for free shows that he’s just a genuine and great guy
Jerome: the clown, the one who wants to laugh at people dying and suffering.
Jeremiah:the criminal, the one who wants to have a connection with Batman and sees batman as his lord and his friend.
J: the comedian, is chaos. Tries to be worst pain of Batman.
An Easter egg: Jeremiah doesn’t laugh. Just like the criminal.
jeremiah does laugh,but not as crazy as much as jerome does obviously
I must admit, I was skeptical for a long while when it was revealed that it would be Jeremiah rather than Jerome who would end up being the real Joker, as he just didn’t seem like the Joker. Despite the Joker-like appearance he gained from Jerome’s gas, he was far too cold and calculating, like an unfeeling sociopath rather than the maniacal psychopath he was supposed to be. He was doing things the Joker would do, he just wasn’t playing the part right and lacked a certain Joker feel. That is, until the final episode when he made his final and complete evolution, that’s what truly sold it for me. It was a long, drawn out transformation, but the final result was well worth it. And his relationship with Bruce, and by extension Batman, was very well done, as it essentially and almost accurately made Monaghan’s Joker’s whole reason for being revolve around Bruce. It was even strongly implied that he figured out that Bruce was Batman, and didn’t care about his identity, which has also been implied in the comics as well.
Tbf, when Joker was first introduced, he was more of a cold and calculating sociopath, and he was made more and more maniacal over time.
When is it implied that he figured out Bruce is Batman? Can't find that anywhere
@@artofmartialcinemaamc5334
After Batman hit his hand with a baterrang, it was implied that he recognized Batman for who he really was when he saw him in the shadows.
Mr J would have maybe been my favourite character if he didn't only have one episode. I really liked him and his design was perfect in my opinion, I would have wanted more episodes with him
@@princeouedward2439
Gotham was about building up the lore and the characters so Batman could begin, so it made sense to have little of the Joker, but yes, I would have liked more of him too.
I've been going down a Joker rabbit hole lately and I'm not coming back haha but yeah I believe Cameron Monaghan should be the next movie Joker, he's amazing.
It's nice that he was acknowledged in The Joker movie. Sort of. The Arkham Asylum was located on Jerome Street. Symbolic)
@@tatyanamorgoeva8806 I actually had no idea about that! Wow haha thanks for telling me, that's awesome
@@Fairly-odd-kel Just rewatched a teaser trailer. You can spot "Jerome Av." sign when Arthur (Joker) is on a date with a girl at a cafe. I'm not a big fan of the film, can barely remember it. Not sure how far was the Asylum. Maybe it's the same street, maybe not. I bet true fans know better. But the fact is Jerome Av exist in the Joker Movie universe, in the teaser trailer even))
@@tatyanamorgoeva8806 That's absolutely awesome to know, I love that they reference him!
Agreed!!
Cameron Monaghan (silent G, by the way) is one of the greatest underrated actors of our generation and I’ll never shut up about him. I got to know him for Shameless, and then watched Gotham for him. He’s incredible.
FACTS!!!!
This kid was able to capture the spirit of Nicholson's, Ledger's and even a touch of Romero's joker along with a little Hamill and then the comic books and still pulled it off as his own performance. That my friends is what you call an artist
Damn he went on to be a jedi
Yeah i saw him in fallen order and i was like bruh werent you just killing dudes for fun and now youre saving the light and fighting the forces of evil? Odd
😂😂😂
A backwards Mark Hamill, he’s a Jedi in a game and a joker in live action, while Hamill is a Jedi in live action and joker in game (along with his other animated versions)
mark hamill joker
Cameron Monaghan's performance is honestly more true and connected to Joker than any other. He was like Heath Ledger, with the Jack Nicholson charm. It was sad to see that a mediocre-good at times show was so enhanced by one character, but it was still compelling
My favorite character was Penguin, but I loved Jerome
Same
We can all admit that The Riddler's character development was 🔥
@@Soundwave_King1 I agree, but to me Frank Gorshin will always be the Riddler to me. The Riddler has always been campy and over the top, even dating back to the original comics, and Gorshin embodied that to a tee
True. I loved that interpretation of Penguin
Dude Penguin's actor did such a phenomenal job!
i rlly hope cameron gets cast to play a version of the joker that can actually call himself the joker. he’s a great actor in everything i’ve seen him in
Imagine we get a Gotham followup with Bruce actually being batman and J gets called joker by batman and he says "thats it, that's my name"
*“I don’t know call me… OLD SPICE DEODORANT”*
Literally that AD placement was perfect
Monaghan was the best because he could bring out any aspect of the character. The sadistic maniac that was Jerome, the chilling and reserved menace of Jeremiah, and this may be cheating, but after his performance in shameless he could play the Joker in the same way Phoenix plays him, a broken man who made a monstrous abstract sculpture from his broken pieces. I'd also like to see him play Carnage, Hannibal, and even Jim Stark if we got a remake of "rebel without a cause." Who else would you like to see Cameron play? Please respond to my comment, whoever sees this.
Perfectly said
He deserves to become a huge movie star. He has looks, huge talent, creativity, bravery to take on very contraversial roles. And if nowadays the only way to get recognition is to get attached to any big movie universe (Marvel, DC or Starwars), so it be! He deserves it all and more. His potential is too big to fit in a tiny TV show, he needs more room)
Who's jim stark
@@danybey4182 James Dean's character from "rebel without a cause." 1953, I think. Physically Cameron shares a lot of features with Dean and if you've seen the you're tearing me apart scene you can easily compare it to that one scene where Ian won't get up and everybody is like "Are you okay?"
@@tatyanamorgoeva8806 What would you like to see him in? What fictitious character should he play?
Jeremiah is a cold, calculating psychopath who tries to be normal by holding back his madness. It was really scary
Jerome's acting and mannerisms, with Jeremiahs look would be the perfect joker. I'm lowkey obsessed with these characters to be honest.
I hope cameron plays a more official joker soon
Its that low growl he gets when talking "calmly" that i find such an entertaining element of Camerons performance and the same with Mark Hamill. Its the voice you get from laughing too much
I'm just here to stan Cameron Monaghan 🤧
I feel like Fox was playing a game of “I’m not touching you!” but with copy right laws
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I'm paraphrasing here but that's the thing it's even said in the Three Jokers comics that the idea was to break Batman and open wounds (mentally) the idea is never to kill him cause then Jokers purpose would be gone.
Jerome had the manic fun
Jeremiah had the eerie calm
J seemed to be starting to mix the two, I really wish they had more time in the end to show the character he became - I think it would have been epic.
From what we got, I lean towards Jerome more than Jeremiah.
So it’s official, joker is a Jedi. We are all done for
Jerome was a good start up to for Joker's origins, but when his brother Jeremiah turned into more of intelligent and even more crazy Joker I felt satisfied with a different Clown Prince of Crime for this different Batman universe, plus the proto Harley Quinn was exciting to watch. bottom line: great Joker.
Jerome was also intelligent tho, he outsmarted his genius brother and made him into a puppet basically post his death lol
100% right when you say he is playing the quintessential Joker. He successfully combined the comic goofiness of Ceser Romero, the recognisability of Mark Hamill and that ruthless, chaotic, fear inducing demeanour of Heath Ledger. And for how young the bloke was when he played the 'joker' in Gotham, it's just extra impressive
Nicholson voice , smile and laugh
I think it was honestly very clever the way they went about it. Jerome was straight up dangerously psychotic, Jeremiah was deviously calculating, and J was a brilliant combination of both. Gotham was overall a stunningly good series, that people didn't give enough credit to. I wish they'd find some way to bring it back
Only time I've heard the phrase "hang on to your hats folks" and actually got chills. Incredible.
the fact that hamill actually liked camerons version shows how good it was, i trust hamills opinion over basement dwellers any day of the week, hheath ledgers joker was iconic, but camerons is raw and fresh, while being pure and original
David’s answer and video were the best. He truly gave his honest opinion without feeling like he needed to please anyone.
Which one is a better fit for the muscle of the suicide squad. Killer Croc or King Shark
King shark
i liked killer croc but king shark is better for suicide squad
Croc all day hands down
Shark
King Shark is a more iconic member of the team than Killer Croc, in the comics at least
I'm sorry but I have say that I prefer Cameron's portal of "The Joker" over any other. He had that natural ear to ear grin without the need of make-up. Also the laugh was spot on. I have to say his performance was worthy of an Emmy & Golden Globe. Any future roll of the Joker in a movie or another series Cameron should be 1st choice for casting. He has won me over as lifelong fan from here on out. L❤VE HIM❗
My thoughts exactly! He nailed the role PERFECTLY!
Bc you love trash tv
@@mrdgenerate nO
@@funnyfunnyvalentine7991 yes
I full-heartedly believe that if Jerome and Jeremiah had stayed together instead of being separated by their mother that they would have ruled Gotham as two sides of the same coin. The anarchist mad man and the unfeeling cut-off Sociopathic criminal mastermind, both of them equal in power but taking on two very different sides of that same power. Jerome is the one that people want to follow because of his charisma and the unnaturally hypnotic pull that they feel toward him, he's relatable and has the perfect sob story to go with it of an unloving abusive mother and just as cruel and abusive extended family not to mention that his mere presence in a room commands respect. Jeremiah, on the other hand, doesn't put on a show as his brother does he just assumes that others will follow his lead. His cold, calm collected attitude along with this air he has about himself, this avid assuredness that he is always in charge even when he is in situations where he is the farthest thing from it gives him this aura of power and lends to him a belief that he is untouchable, that he can not be killed, this strikes fear and unwavering respect into anyone who is within his presence. This is what makes people follow him, fear, respect, and power that's how the Valeska brothers would rule Gotham, everyone would bow down those who didn't would be made a public example of and end up taking a permanent dirt nap.
Cameron Monaghan is an absolutely amazing actor. Severely underrated!
Jeremiah was an important step to the Joker, Jerome was TOO psychotic. He was too out there. He was a thug. Jeremiah, had the intelligence, the calmness and a grander version.
Jeremiah didn’t have that joker personality like Jerome did. I mean Jerome had the laugh, smile, spirit, “jokes”, actually looks like joker. Also at some moments Jerome gives off the Heath ledger vibes with his face and gestures. On the other hand Jeremiah looks like some 80s cartoon show doodoo. Also the make up on Jeremiah looks shitty. Jeremiah talks slow and boring, doesn’t even sound like the joker and he had to be created like the typical old fashion purple coat and green hair boring joker, at least with Jerome he was wearing a different and better outfit. Also joker is very psychotic and that’s what Jerome was and he wasn’t afraid to do stuff alone while Jeremiah had an army watching his back. Jeremiah to me was a different villain but not joker imo.
@@nicksawyer320 facts I hated Jeremiah. Long live Jerome!
@@nicksawyer320 I disagree, i feel they have the same goals: to make gotham mad and spread the "joker" ideals, and that the only reason jeremiah is so much more serious is he sees the scope of it all, before the laughing gas he was an architect and an engineer, a pragmatist with keen constant knowledge of every moving part of every plan, jerome did what he did simply because he wanted to and treated gotham like a toy, jeremiah grasps the necessity of it all and considers gotham a cancer patient, to most radiation is a poison, to some a cure, in the same way he considers insanity gothams antidote, and himself as doing a public service and a labour he cant do half heartedly
Imo both suck.
Jerome has the concept of insane Joker (Calling Mark Hamill Joker a thug is an insult to the character), but just lacks the hamminess. He speaks iconic Joker lines, but he never screams them into the air, while laughing like a hyena. He has a bit of pizzazz, but not nearly enough to actually be Joker. I'd say Jack Nicholson gets closer, even if his backstory is REALLY dumb.
Jeremiah ISN'T Joker. He just isn't. It's the same as Heath Ledger, he was a great actor but he wasn't The Joker. Joker isn't a nihilist, calmed individual. The closest he ever got was in "The Killing Joke", and even then not only is that comic quite overrated (Except the backstory), it also happened during a period when Joker still had some sense. But now everyone treats Joker like he's a man trying to prove that everyone is just like him, when he never was. It's just that DC adopted new Joker for the New 52, when Ledger's Joker might as well be evil Anarchy.
If you want to see The TRUE Joker, and how the character's done justice, look at the Arkham series of games. Especially Origins & Knight. Joker there is the TRUE Joker: A psycopath with no plan but a brilliant mind for murder & mayhem.
@@tragedyplustime8271 There is no TRUE Joker there are legit three of them and all 3 of them conform to different archetypes. 1- is that Methodically Sinister Kingpin of Crime.
2- is the absolutely insane Sometimes harmless, sometimes deadly clown.
3- The more modern, Sadistic, embodiment of Chaos.
Any form of media can take these and follow them to the letter or form hybrids of them. Heath and Joaquin are both the 3rd Modern Joker but they play it completely different ways. Leto despite his failings is clearly inspired by the 1st while Romero is Defo the second and Nicholson is somewhat of a hybrid of 1 and 2. DC have come out with the Three Jokers storyline which basically confirmed this but people who looked at Joker's mannerisms over the years have known this for quite a while tbh.
This confirms that being a good jedi and being a good joker are correlated.
So glad I'm not the only one who thought his performance ALONE was the best Joker concept portrayed for chaos!!!
first time ive seen one of your videos, but when you said Cameron Monaghan was comparable to heath ledgers joker i instantly subbed and liked he plyed that roll SOOOOOOOOOO well.
Monaghan is a comic book kid , that's why he was so good. When he was a teen he got picked up for trespassing at six flags and told the cops his name was " Tim Drake". I saw more similarities between Monaghan and Hamill than him and Ledger
I believe it. He definitely seemed to have a passion on Gotham with how he played these multiple characters.
Jerome is the most superior Joker live action wise, change my mind.
Edit: Gotham did three Jokers before the comics actually went through with it. We had the anarchist, the gangster, and the serial killer. As David (the actor of Bruce Wayne in Gotham) said, people should look at it as one incarnation of Joker. After all, don’t we look at the three Jokers in the comic as one incarnation instead of three?
I agree
Clown - Jeremiah
Criminal - Jeremiah
Comedian - J
And which one was the real joker in the comic again?
@@flynnmorrissy2941 Comedian
@@hailpickens2454 exactly
@@flynnmorrissy2941 Oh yeah, I thought J deserved more screen time
My favorite part about this approach is that as the joker says himself, if he did have an origin story he’d prefer it to be multiple choice
If you've seen Gotham and encountered Jerome is clear he improved the Gotham series😁
“It’s like striking gold and throwing that gold out because you found a really cool rock” this had me creasing 😂😂. Very true though
Watched this for the first time in 2023. Great video! The Kevin Conroy cameo at the end was a punch in the heart. RIP Batman.
Wow David mazouz really hit us with the "IF YOU DIDNT KNOW" didnt expect him to be so into the batman mythos as he was
I think it's cool how there's both Jerome and Jeremiah playing the role of an "unofficial joker." Like the two joker cards in a deck, one black and white (Jeremiah) serious, calculated, cold. And the colorful joker card (Jeremiah) charismatic, mysterious, breath-taking.
I need to see more of Cameron as the Joker. He was my favorite interpretation by far.
I loved both Jerome and Jeremiah, but somehow Jeremiah hit different for me as a villain. From the reveal with the cloth wiping away the makeup to his dressing style.
The best Joker, Riddler and may be the best Penguin [has there ever been a bad one?]. The most realistic Mr Freeze too. Shame they never managed a good Scarecrow of Poison Ivy.
Jerome was the Joker, hands down but Cameron Monaghan was so badass and all his Renditions of the Joker on the show!!! I'd love to see him as the Joker in a feature film I mean come on, he'd kill it!!!
Thank you vee for keeping Gotham alive.
Victor zsasz always stole the show
The dude who is played him is a brilliant actor
Fax
When Jerome debuted, his end scene made me go "OH DANG! That laugh would be PERFECT for Joker!" Loved his portrayal!
11:53 It's insane how we've had like 10 different Batmans in the last 5 years but we can't get a single interpretation of Batman Beyond
Don't bother calling for help because they're all...headless
Knock knock....
Runs away
Your supposed to say who's there!
"Tell me what I wanna' know and you won't get turned inside out."
@@awhispertoascreamcryptidsp4810 Where's this....proxy?
@@TheFunnyGuy9000 "Yeah. I'm not blind. Maybe you are though."...
I was one of the people who became invested because of Jerome. I love the actor though, in everything he does. His performance as Jerome has been one of my all time favorites.
When Gordon talks to Jerome at 5:56 …Jerome talks in a normal voice then looks down an comes up with that stare an joker laugh…greatness…nothing but pure….JOKER
This was absolutely a situation where they didn't expect Cameron to be as perfect as he was and then they we're like, "well, we kinda gotta do it now!" Maybe he'll get cast as an official Joker someday in the future.
Starting this show from the start and meeting Jerome so early on he was such a stand out. It was always a treat when he showed up and I was so glad he and the actor took off
I'm curious if the show creators were told to change the character of their interpretation of the Joker by DC? Hence why they would kill him off then bring him back as a total different character.
I am wondering what the show would have done if they were allowed to use him
@@knucklessammich3875 they wouldve developed more time with jerome and jeremiah, hence making J's appearance more satisfying
In a just world this guy would be the only possible casting for Reeves' Joker.
He was so VERY good at this.
My favorite onscreen Joker. Thank you for the performance Cameron
9:01 Jerome: "I used to be a great whistler"
Me: "I never learned how to whistle....."
gotham is my personal favourite show of all time and mainly because of the fact
that they picked the perfect actor that completely understood the character as if they were them and looked how i think they should
e.g
Gordon
Riddler
penguin
joker (technically not but still)
Bruce
Barbara as a villain
Catwoman
just to name a few
and im glad that ive managed to get people to watch this incredible show
btw im not saying the show was badly writen it is amazing in every way and even with worse understandings of the characters this would still be one of my favourite if not still my favourite show